Predictive amsa Principles

July 13, 2007

Dear all,

Let us now come to the practical side, of what

we wish to learn exactly , and ultimately.

I request the learned members to please give 3

Principles on amsa, for a start, which can

be applied on each chart, by the present

members here, who wish to participate, and

all of us can post our feed back, after we have

applied the principle on our charts and

checked whether the attributed results,have

factually fructified in our Life or not.

We can continue learning 3 principles at a time,

and applying the same on our charts with feedback,

and this would add to our own skills, styles

and approach of solving any chart.

But let the principles be connected to day to day

activities, and not about becoming a King,Emperor,

Leader or such.

Best wishes,

bhaskar.

July 13, 2007

Dear Satishji,

I am expecting You to initiate this thread,

(Make it active)

presuming you to be an authority(Knowledgable)

on amsas.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Let us now come to the practical side, of what

> we wish to learn exactly , and ultimately.

>

> I request the learned members to please give 3

> Principles on amsa, for a start, which can

> be applied on each chart, by the present

> members here, who wish to participate, and

> all of us can post our feed back, after we have

> applied the principle on our charts and

> checked whether the attributed results,have

> factually fructified in our Life or not.

>

> We can continue learning 3 principles at a time,

> and applying the same on our charts with feedback,

> and this would add to our own skills, styles

> and approach of solving any chart.

>

> But let the principles be connected to day to day

> activities, and not about becoming a King,Emperor,

> Leader or such.

>

> Best wishes,

> bhaskar.

>

July 13, 2007

Satish,

You tried to teach me about right terminiology

in which you failed most miserably.You

could not answer the 3 questions I put up

for you, but were searching for some escapoe.

Now c'mon teach us about amsas, which you profess

to know a lot.

Why the silence ?

Is it a acceptance of defeat ?

Of not knowing about the subject ?

or nothing in the kitty to display.

For me every minute is precious, I am a man from

Bombay,the city which is active 24 hours,

I dont waste time,

but you have made my time spent in

foolish discussions about terminology about meaning

of the usage of the word " chart " ,

and had to waste 2-3 hours explaining you.

If you have no knowledge then why do you

enter such debates or discussions

or try to teach others about terminology ?

Accept others as Your Masters and Seniors,

and stay put.

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Satishji,

>

> I am expecting You to initiate this thread,

> (Make it active)

> presuming you to be an authority(Knowledgable)

> on amsas.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Let us now come to the practical side, of what

> > we wish to learn exactly , and ultimately.

> >

> > I request the learned members to please give 3

> > Principles on amsa, for a start, which can

> > be applied on each chart, by the present

> > members here, who wish to participate, and

> > all of us can post our feed back, after we have

> > applied the principle on our charts and

> > checked whether the attributed results,have

> > factually fructified in our Life or not.

> >

> > We can continue learning 3 principles at a time,

> > and applying the same on our charts with feedback,

> > and this would add to our own skills, styles

> > and approach of solving any chart.

> >

> > But let the principles be connected to day to day

> > activities, and not about becoming a King,Emperor,

> > Leader or such.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > bhaskar.

> >

>

July 13, 2007

Those who have no basic knowledge about astrology

or usage of the English Language ,

JUST GET OUT OF THE DEBATE.DONT TRY TO SHOW

SMARTNESS WHEN YOU EVEN DONT

POSSESS COMMON SENSE. Do Not waste

others time in stupid foolish queries.

Let only the wise talk.

Just get out, before you are thrown out.

Bhaskar.

-- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Satish,

>

> You tried to teach me about right terminiology

> in which you failed most miserably.You

> could not answer the 3 questions I put up

> for you, but were searching for some escapoe.

> Now c'mon teach us about amsas, which you profess

> to know a lot.

>

> Why the silence ?

>

> Is it a acceptance of defeat ?

> Of not knowing about the subject ?

> or nothing in the kitty to display.

>

> For me every minute is precious, I am a man from

> Bombay,the city which is active 24 hours,

> I dont waste time,

> but you have made my time spent in

> foolish discussions about terminology about meaning

> of the usage of the word " chart " ,

> and had to waste 2-3 hours explaining you.

>

> If you have no knowledge then why do you

> enter such debates or discussions

> or try to teach others about terminology ?

>

> Accept others as Your Masters and Seniors,

> and stay put.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satishji,

> >

> > I am expecting You to initiate this thread,

> > (Make it active)

> > presuming you to be an authority(Knowledgable)

> > on amsas.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Let us now come to the practical side, of what

> > > we wish to learn exactly , and ultimately.

> > >

> > > I request the learned members to please give 3

> > > Principles on amsa, for a start, which can

> > > be applied on each chart, by the present

> > > members here, who wish to participate, and

> > > all of us can post our feed back, after we have

> > > applied the principle on our charts and

> > > checked whether the attributed results,have

> > > factually fructified in our Life or not.

> > >

> > > We can continue learning 3 principles at a time,

> > > and applying the same on our charts with feedback,

> > > and this would add to our own skills, styles

> > > and approach of solving any chart.

> > >

> > > But let the principles be connected to day to day

> > > activities, and not about becoming a King,Emperor,

> > > Leader or such.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

July 13, 2007

this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I think you

should seriously consider taking care of that mercury affliction because it

is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this group is based

on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all sorts of

problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule others then you

certainly need to vacate immediately.

namaskar,

__________

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

July 13, 2007

raja,

why do you keep bumping in,when you are least remembered ?

You are neither remembered for any good query on astrology,

neither for any good reply,

neither for any good remarks, and neither for any type

of contribution.

Your name should be changed to " Praja " and should not

talk with persons of my stature without taking my permission.

You can observe nothing, understand nothing, but just

criticise,criticise and criticise Bhaskar.Why dont

you go to sleep and leave us alone ? Or else why dont you

enter the debate with some astrological inputs ?

Are you the prime Minister of this Group who decides

who should be on the Group, and who should not be ?

Who gave you this permission ? I told you last time

too, that I am not that type, so do not get too much

eneamoured of me. Please leave me alone. I do not

wish to come close to you. And neither converse with you

even on long distance. I feel uncomfortable.

The marriage season is nearby, I told you to join some

Band-baja last time too, and use your time to advantage.

Bhaskar.

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I think you

> should seriously consider taking care of that mercury affliction

because it

> is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this group

is based

> on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all sorts of

> problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule others

then you

> certainly need to vacate immediately.

>

> namaskar,

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

July 13, 2007

Dear Sri Raja,

This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here Satish is pointing

at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is not appropriate

and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to you for

predictions, do you make fun of your client's horoscope, as an

astrologer?

More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing out was absolute

wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely benefic as 4th and

9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one of the six lagnas

(among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and Vrishabha) that

has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna lord itself. The

remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka other than the

lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. Besides

presenting false information, he is making fun of the horoscope. You

are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing so.

What is bothering rest of the members is the way the one-sided

argument people are making restlessly to make others accept their

theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge sharing going

on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why cann't people

adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are free to publish

their books and articles and see how it reaches the other

astrological community, rather than bothering the whole group?

Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate the theories

and look for any theory supporters.

Regards,

Satya S Kolachina

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I

think you

> should seriously consider taking care of that mercury affliction

because it

> is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this group

is based

> on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all

sorts of

> problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule others

then you

> certainly need to vacate immediately.

>

> namaskar,

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

July 13, 2007

People like Raja Gursahanai are those who have no manliness

in them, and get the opportunity to show some

manliness only behind someones back to remember and confirm to

themselves that they have been born men..

Now whenever some member is involved in some argument

with me, this Raja gursahani has to come in between talking bad

about me, criticsing me and unnecessary confronting me. Such

men ( Apparently men looking )need others support

to settle old scores which they remember like scorned women who

have been left alone by their lovers .I ask this fellow

not to ever confront me again, because I have learnt from

Prithviraj Chauhan to finish my opposers and not forgive them

like he did to Mohammed Ghauri, and suffered later, which is what

this mohammed Ghauri is doing, because I never crushed him, but

always forgived him. let him do this agaim, and this time I am

sorry,but I will not leave him. And remember he has started the

provocations unnecessarily, and not myself.he has done this on 5

occasions before, and no more shall I allow

him to escape lightly in future, if he does so.

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> raja,

>

> why do you keep bumping in,when you are least remembered ?

> You are neither remembered for any good query on astrology,

> neither for any good reply,

> neither for any good remarks, and neither for any type

> of contribution.

>

> Your name should be changed to " Praja " and should not

> talk with persons of my stature without taking my permission.

>

> You can observe nothing, understand nothing, but just

> criticise,criticise and criticise Bhaskar.Why dont

> you go to sleep and leave us alone ? Or else why dont you

> enter the debate with some astrological inputs ?

>

> Are you the prime Minister of this Group who decides

> who should be on the Group, and who should not be ?

> Who gave you this permission ? I told you last time

> too, that I am not that type, so do not get too much

> eneamoured of me. Please leave me alone. I do not

> wish to come close to you. And neither converse with you

> even on long distance. I feel uncomfortable.

>

> The marriage season is nearby, I told you to join some

> Band-baja last time too, and use your time to advantage.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I

think you

> > should seriously consider taking care of that mercury affliction

> because it

> > is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this group

> is based

> > on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all sorts of

> > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule others

> then you

> > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> >

> > namaskar,

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

July 13, 2007

Mr. Satyaji,

Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

then do not use them.

Satish

--- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> Dear Sri Raja,

>

> This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> Satish is pointing

> at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> not appropriate

> and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> you for

> predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> horoscope, as an

> astrologer?

>

> More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> out was absolute

> wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> benefic as 4th and

> 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> of the six lagnas

> (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> Vrishabha) that

> has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> lord itself. The

> remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> other than the

> lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> Besides

> presenting false information, he is making fun of

> the horoscope. You

> are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> so.

>

> What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> one-sided

> argument people are making restlessly to make others

> accept their

> theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> sharing going

> on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> cann't people

> adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> free to publish

> their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> other

> astrological community, rather than bothering the

> whole group?

> Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> the theories

> and look for any theory supporters.

>

> Regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , " Raja

> Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani wrote:

> >

> > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> this group. I

> think you

> > should seriously consider taking care of that

> mercury affliction

> because it

> > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> participation in this group

> is based

> > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> causing all

> sorts of

> > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> ridicule others

> then you

> > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> >

> > namaskar,

> >

>

__________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

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July 13, 2007

Dear Styaji

Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding how

Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic nture

and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be to

see things in an objective fashion.

You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

Regds

Pradeep

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Mr. Satyaji,

>

> Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> then do not use them.

>

> Satish

> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> > Dear Sri Raja,

> >

> > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > Satish is pointing

> > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > not appropriate

> > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > you for

> > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > horoscope, as an

> > astrologer?

> >

> > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > out was absolute

> > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > benefic as 4th and

> > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > of the six lagnas

> > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > Vrishabha) that

> > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > lord itself. The

> > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > other than the

> > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > Besides

> > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > the horoscope. You

> > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > so.

> >

> > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > one-sided

> > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > accept their

> > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > sharing going

> > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > cann't people

> > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > free to publish

> > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > other

> > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > whole group?

> > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > the theories

> > and look for any theory supporters.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > , " Raja

> > Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > this group. I

> > think you

> > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > mercury affliction

> > because it

> > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > participation in this group

> > is based

> > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > causing all

> > sorts of

> > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > ridicule others

> > then you

> > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> >

> __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

>

____________________

______________

> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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>

July 13, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

with mostly bad results.

But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th and 9th.

This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

Finn

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Styaji

>

> Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding how

> Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic nture

> and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

>

> I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be to

> see things in an objective fashion.

>

> You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr. Satyaji,

> >

> > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > then do not use them.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > >

> > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > Satish is pointing

> > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > not appropriate

> > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > you for

> > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > horoscope, as an

> > > astrologer?

> > >

> > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > out was absolute

> > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > benefic as 4th and

> > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > of the six lagnas

> > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > Vrishabha) that

> > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > lord itself. The

> > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > other than the

> > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > Besides

> > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > the horoscope. You

> > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > so.

> > >

> > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > one-sided

> > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > accept their

> > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > sharing going

> > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > cann't people

> > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > free to publish

> > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > other

> > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > whole group?

> > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > the theories

> > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Satya S Kolachina

> > >

> > > , " Raja

> > > Gursahani "

> > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > this group. I

> > > think you

> > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > mercury affliction

> > > because it

> > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > participation in this group

> > > is based

> > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > causing all

> > > sorts of

> > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > ridicule others

> > > then you

> > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > >

> > > > namaskar,

> > > >

> > >

> > __________

> > > >

> > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> ____________________

> ______________

> > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

> who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> >

>

July 14, 2007

Dear Finn,

Thank you for this comment- never before have I seen Rahu contact with

benefic/raya yoga planet making it benefic /ever/ either.

Perhaps Rahu can give some benefic results /limited though/ in its dasa due to

its contact with rayayoga Mars. I'd like to know your opinion on this issue.

Also, I've read that Rahu in own sign, eight house can give positive results in

its periods, but I haven't seen that yet in practice.

Regards,

Anna

Finn Wandahl <wandahl wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

with mostly bad results.

But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th and 9th.

This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

Finn

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Styaji

>

> Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding how

> Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic nture

> and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

>

> I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be to

> see things in an objective fashion.

>

> You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr. Satyaji,

> >

> > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > then do not use them.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > >

> > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > Satish is pointing

> > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > not appropriate

> > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > you for

> > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > horoscope, as an

> > > astrologer?

> > >

> > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > out was absolute

> > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > benefic as 4th and

> > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > of the six lagnas

> > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > Vrishabha) that

> > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > lord itself. The

> > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > other than the

> > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > Besides

> > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > the horoscope. You

> > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > so.

> > >

> > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > one-sided

> > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > accept their

> > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > sharing going

> > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > cann't people

> > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > free to publish

> > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > other

> > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > whole group?

> > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > the theories

> > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Satya S Kolachina

> > >

> > > , " Raja

> > > Gursahani "

> > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > this group. I

> > > think you

> > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > mercury affliction

> > > because it

> > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > participation in this group

> > > is based

> > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > causing all

> > > sorts of

> > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > ridicule others

> > > then you

> > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > >

> > > > namaskar,

> > > >

> > >

> > ________

> > > >

> > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> ________

> ______________

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> who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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July 14, 2007

Hello sir,

I do not wish to point fingers at you, since you are expressing the

same good intentions as I did; however, there is no debate going on

in this forum; if you keenly observe you will understand that.

What is going on here is 'I am right & you are wrong' kind of words,

or 'your Mars or Your Rahu makes you talk like this'. Unfortunately I

cannot consider this a debate.

THe only thing that can happen is probably, to silently withdraw. I

know, several very good astrologers who used to debate in the past

years have silently withdrawn for the same reason.

Best regards,

Satya S Kolachina

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan

wrote:

>

> Rajaji/Satyaji

>

> In my experience I have found that its best to avoid any moral

> policing on either side as it leads to further provocation and

merely

> adds oil to the flame.

>

> Let the debate continue and look at the positives: at least

practical

> charts are now being used, albeit with some degree of malice. Still

> this does allow for an insight into the application of the methods

> being propagated, which is invaluable in the context of this debate.

>

> Let's stick to Jyotish: nothing more than nothing less.

>

> Thanks!

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Raja,

> >

> > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here Satish is

pointing

> > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is not appropriate

> > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to you for

> > predictions, do you make fun of your client's horoscope, as an

> > astrologer?

> >

> > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing out was

absolute

> > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely benefic as 4th

> and

> > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one of the six

> lagnas

> > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and Vrishabha)

that

> > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna lord itself.

The

> > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka other than the

> > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. Besides

> > presenting false information, he is making fun of the horoscope.

> You

> > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing so.

> >

> > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the one-sided

> > argument people are making restlessly to make others accept their

> > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge sharing going

> > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why cann't people

> > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are free to publish

> > their books and articles and see how it reaches the other

> > astrological community, rather than bothering the whole group?

> > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate the theories

> > and look for any theory supporters.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I

> > think you

> > > should seriously consider taking care of that mercury

affliction

> > because it

> > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this

> group

> > is based

> > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all

> > sorts of

> > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule

> others

> > then you

> > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

July 14, 2007

Lets not mix up functional nature with natural nature.

Mars is functional benefic for Leo ascendants, but still remains a

natural malefic, and hence technically is at its core a malefic, and

Rahu adds to this blemish. The status of YK is a separate issue.

Static affect is malefic in kendra (as mentioned in my analysis :

malefic in kendras in both rasi and D9) and dynamic affect is YK is

lagna.

, " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

> with mostly bad results.

> But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

and 9th.

> This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

> fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

>

> Finn

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Styaji

> >

> > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

how

> > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

nture

> > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

> >

> > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be

to

> > see things in an objective fashion.

> >

> > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > >

> > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > then do not use them.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > >

> > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > not appropriate

> > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > you for

> > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > astrologer?

> > > >

> > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > out was absolute

> > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > lord itself. The

> > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > other than the

> > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > Besides

> > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > one-sided

> > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > accept their

> > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > sharing going

> > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > cann't people

> > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > free to publish

> > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > other

> > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > whole group?

> > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > the theories

> > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja

> > > > Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > this group. I

> > > > think you

> > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > mercury affliction

> > > > because it

> > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > participation in this group

> > > > is based

> > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > causing all

> > > > sorts of

> > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > ridicule others

> > > > then you

> > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > __________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

____________________

> > ______________

> > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

someone

> > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > >

> >

>

July 14, 2007

If Rahu is a mel;efic, as we all know, then pray

tell us about thouse persons in whose Charts Rahu

is not there. Theres the difference between read

and well read. Rahu in Kendra with a benefic or

a Yogkaraka, will also act like one.

It would be a Malefic Naturally, that we all know,

in any chart wherever it is placed, it is of

course not going to act like Jupiter ? Theres nothing

to discuss on this point.In which house would it not

act malefic, please tell us that.

First it was said

1) No Benefic in Kendras.

2) When brought to notice,

then it was accepted that

Mars is a Yogkaraka.

3) They also had to be reminded

that Lagna is a kendra.

4) Nothing more left to

talk, so now its been

said that Rahu is a Malefic.

Now I ask them, in which House is Rahu not

malefic ? In which house is Rahu Benefic?

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Styaji

>

> Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding how

> Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic nture

> and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

>

> I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be to

> see things in an objective fashion.

>

> You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr. Satyaji,

> >

> > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > then do not use them.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > >

> > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > Satish is pointing

> > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > not appropriate

> > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > you for

> > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > horoscope, as an

> > > astrologer?

> > >

> > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > out was absolute

> > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > benefic as 4th and

> > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > of the six lagnas

> > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > Vrishabha) that

> > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > lord itself. The

> > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > other than the

> > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > Besides

> > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > the horoscope. You

> > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > so.

> > >

> > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > one-sided

> > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > accept their

> > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > sharing going

> > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > cann't people

> > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > free to publish

> > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > other

> > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > whole group?

> > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > the theories

> > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Satya S Kolachina

> > >

> > > , " Raja

> > > Gursahani "

> > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > this group. I

> > > think you

> > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > mercury affliction

> > > because it

> > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > participation in this group

> > > is based

> > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > causing all

> > > sorts of

> > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > ridicule others

> > > then you

> > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > >

> > > > namaskar,

> > > >

> > >

> > __________

> > > >

> > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> ____________________

> ______________

> > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

> who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> >

>

July 14, 2007

//he asked

> for opinion on the chart and it was given. //

I never asked opinion on any Chart, but Vimsamsha.

regards/Bhaskar.

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Mr. Satyaji,

>

> Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> then do not use them.

>

> Satish

> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> > Dear Sri Raja,

> >

> > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > Satish is pointing

> > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > not appropriate

> > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > you for

> > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > horoscope, as an

> > astrologer?

> >

> > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > out was absolute

> > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > benefic as 4th and

> > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > of the six lagnas

> > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > Vrishabha) that

> > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > lord itself. The

> > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > other than the

> > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > Besides

> > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > the horoscope. You

> > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > so.

> >

> > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > one-sided

> > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > accept their

> > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > sharing going

> > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > cann't people

> > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > free to publish

> > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > other

> > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > whole group?

> > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > the theories

> > and look for any theory supporters.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > , " Raja

> > Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > this group. I

> > think you

> > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > mercury affliction

> > because it

> > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > participation in this group

> > is based

> > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > causing all

> > sorts of

> > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > ridicule others

> > then you

> > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> >

> __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

>

______________________________\

____

> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who

knows. Answers - Check it out.

> http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

>

July 14, 2007

The first sentence used by Satish was'

There is no Benefic in kendra " .

Mars,Rahu,Saturn etc, may be Natural

Malefic, but when someone is talking

about a individual Chart, then

we do not misquote " There

are no benefics in kendra "

This is known exactly as wrong terminology

used and misleading and misquoting.

Bhaskar.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Lets not mix up functional nature with natural nature.

>

> Mars is functional benefic for Leo ascendants, but still remains a

> natural malefic, and hence technically is at its core a malefic, and

> Rahu adds to this blemish. The status of YK is a separate issue.

>

> Static affect is malefic in kendra (as mentioned in my analysis :

> malefic in kendras in both rasi and D9) and dynamic affect is YK is

> lagna.

>

> , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

> > with mostly bad results.

> > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

> and 9th.

> > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

> > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> >

> > Finn

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Styaji

> > >

> > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

> how

> > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> nture

> > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

> > >

> > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be

> to

> > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > >

> > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > >

> > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > then do not use them.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > you for

> > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > astrologer?

> > > > >

> > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > other than the

> > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > Besides

> > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > one-sided

> > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > accept their

> > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > sharing going

> > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > cann't people

> > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > free to publish

> > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > other

> > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > whole group?

> > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > the theories

> > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > this group. I

> > > > > think you

> > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > is based

> > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > causing all

> > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > then you

> > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > __________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ____________________

> > > ______________

> > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> someone

> > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 14, 2007

Dear Shri Satya ji,

Very well said. I agree with your comments.

IMO - any community forum must be like flowing water. Let more opinions join the

flowing water, and let people pick what they want.

But these personal prejudices, inclination to make mockery on someone's chart,

internet drama of jyotish sellers, fixing jyotish, theory propogation, quickfix

remedial suggestions etc are serious issues - gripping and spoiling all jyotish

forums over the years.

Unfortunately - we all are undergoing this over the years and are responsible in

some form or other.

Let me share an interesting joke -

*** quote**

Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and says to the first man he meets,

â€œDo you want to go to heaven?â€

The man said, â€œI do Father.â€

The priest said, â€œThen stand over there against the wall.â€

Then the priest asked the second man, â€œDo you want to go to heaven?â€

â€œCertainly, Father,â€ was the manâ€™s reply.

â€œThen stand over there against the wall,â€ said the priest.

Then Father Murphy walked up to Oâ€™Toole and said, â€œDo you want to go to

heaven?â€

Oâ€™Toole said, â€œNo, I donâ€™t Father.â€

The priest said, â€œI donâ€™t believe this. You mean to tell me that when you

die you donâ€™t want to go to heaven?â€

Oâ€™Toole said, â€œOh, when I die, yes. I thought you were getting a group

together to go right now.â€

***end quote***

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community.

************************************************

>

> skolachi

> Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:17:16 -0000

>

> Re: Predictive amsa Principles

>

> Dear Sri Raja,

>

> This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here Satish is pointing

> at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is not appropriate

> and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to you for

> predictions, do you make fun of your client's horoscope, as an

> astrologer?

>

> More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing out was absolute

> wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely benefic as 4th and

> 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one of the six lagnas

> (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and Vrishabha) that

> has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna lord itself. The

> remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka other than the

> lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. Besides

> presenting false information, he is making fun of the horoscope. You

> are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing so.

>

> What is bothering rest of the members is the way the one-sided

> argument people are making restlessly to make others accept their

> theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge sharing going

> on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why cann't people

> adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are free to publish

> their books and articles and see how it reaches the other

> astrological community, rather than bothering the whole group?

> Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate the theories

> and look for any theory supporters.

>

> Regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani wrote:

>>

>> this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in this group. I

> think you

>> should seriously consider taking care of that mercury affliction

> because it

>> is certainly bothering the rest of us. participation in this group

> is based

>> on common decency. I once again feel that you are causing all

> sorts of

>> problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and ridicule others

> then you

>> certainly need to vacate immediately.

>>

>> namaskar,

>>

>> __________

>>

>> Raja G. Gursahani

>> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

>> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>>

July 14, 2007

Dear Finn ji,

Good to see you back on the list. Its been a while.

Hope everything is going well for you

Best regards

Satish

--- Finn Wandahl <wandahl wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> I far as I can understand you are debating the

> effect of Mars and

> Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times,

> unfortunately always

> with mostly bad results.

> But as far as I can see two different levels of

> interpretation is

> being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars

> and Rahu as two

> natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars

> becomes a

> functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like,

> by ruling 4th and 9th.

> This however only means that there will be some

> limited benefic

> effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please

> don't forget the

> fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to

> Rahu...

>

> Finn

>

> ,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Styaji

> >

> > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter

> thing.I have

> > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> well,regarding how

> > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget

> the malefic nture

> > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's

> grace alon saves us.

> >

> > I know from your discussions that you have

> maintained a balanced

> > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my

> request would be to

> > see things in an objective fashion.

> >

> > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation

> of Raoji.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > >

> > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he

> asked

> > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If

> you are

> > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a

> benefic

> > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who

> is

> > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna.

> It

> > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference

> between

> > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such

> things

> > > then do not use them.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > >

> > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided.

> Here

> > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That

> is

> > > > not appropriate

> > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client

> comes to

> > > > you for

> > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > astrologer?

> > > >

> > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was

> pointing

> > > > out was absolute

> > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is

> extremely

> > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is

> one

> > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha

> and

> > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the

> lagna

> > > > lord itself. The

> > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga

> karaka

> > > > other than the

> > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in

> astrology.

> > > > Besides

> > > > presenting false information, he is making fun

> of

> > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from

> doing

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the

> way the

> > > > one-sided

> > > > argument people are making restlessly to make

> others

> > > > accept their

> > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no

> knowledge

> > > > sharing going

> > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'.

> Why

> > > > cann't people

> > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they

> are

> > > > free to publish

> > > > their books and articles and see how it

> reaches the

> > > > other

> > > > astrological community, rather than bothering

> the

> > > > whole group?

> > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just

> propagate

> > > > the theories

> > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja

> > > > Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not

> be in

> > > > this group. I

> > > > think you

> > > > > should seriously consider taking care of

> that

> > > > mercury affliction

> > > > because it

> > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > participation in this group

> > > > is based

> > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that

> you are

> > > > causing all

> > > > sorts of

> > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but

> banter and

> > > > ridicule others

> > > > then you

> > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

__________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

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July 14, 2007

I agree. I am not saying that theory should not be discussed. this group has

always supported this. also the great thing about this group is that its

mainly for scholarly debate and inquiry and comparing of methods. also it is

for solidifying basic astrological tenets. there has much been lost in our

ancient astrology and its great that members are sharing this openly. I am

saying is that negative energy is not necessary to get anyone's point

across. i am making clear that some of the debate is getting seriously

obnoxious and as a spiritual person I find it degrading. there is nothing

wrong with anyone suggesting this at anytime if it is turning out this way.

I don't have to be an expert astrologer to have right to this group. this

group is open to all who learn. I maybe an expert astrologer but that

doesn't matter as I am not seeking approval that I am. I am very humble when

it comes to this vast and great science.

namaskar,

__________

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

July 15, 2007

Dear Mr.Wandahl

It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji

can also return.

Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural

malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal

case was not relating to Leo lagna.

From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in

line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I hve

seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

Respect

Pradeep

, " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

> with mostly bad results.

> But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

and 9th.

> This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

> fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

>

> Finn

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Styaji

> >

> > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

how

> > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

nture

> > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

> >

> > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be

to

> > see things in an objective fashion.

> >

> > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > >

> > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > then do not use them.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > >

> > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > not appropriate

> > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > you for

> > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > astrologer?

> > > >

> > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > out was absolute

> > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > lord itself. The

> > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > other than the

> > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > Besides

> > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > one-sided

> > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > accept their

> > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > sharing going

> > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > cann't people

> > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > free to publish

> > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > other

> > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > whole group?

> > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > the theories

> > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja

> > > > Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > this group. I

> > > > think you

> > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > mercury affliction

> > > > because it

> > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > participation in this group

> > > > is based

> > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > causing all

> > > > sorts of

> > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > ridicule others

> > > > then you

> > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > __________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

____________________

> > ______________

> > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

someone

> > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > >

> >

>

July 15, 2007

Dear Pradeep, Finn, all,

Mars/Rahu does create VijayaYoga, but it's very difficult combination anyway-

victory-yes, eventually, but after lots of stuggle/suffering.

Pls. see Albert Einsten's chart: seems to be a perfect example.

My 2ct.

Regards,

Anna

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Mr.Wandahl

It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji

can also return.

Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural

malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal

case was not relating to Leo lagna.

From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in

line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I hve

seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

Respect

Pradeep

, " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

> with mostly bad results.

> But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

and 9th.

> This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

> fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

>

> Finn

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Styaji

> >

> > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

how

> > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

nture

> > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

> >

> > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be

to

> > see things in an objective fashion.

> >

> > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > >

> > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > then do not use them.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > >

> > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > not appropriate

> > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > you for

> > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > astrologer?

> > > >

> > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > out was absolute

> > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > lord itself. The

> > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > other than the

> > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > Besides

> > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > one-sided

> > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > accept their

> > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > sharing going

> > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > cann't people

> > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > free to publish

> > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > other

> > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > whole group?

> > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > the theories

> > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja

> > > > Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > this group. I

> > > > think you

> > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > mercury affliction

> > > > because it

> > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > participation in this group

> > > > is based

> > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > causing all

> > > > sorts of

> > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > ridicule others

> > > > then you

> > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > ________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

________

> > ______________

> > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

someone

> > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > >

> >

>

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July 15, 2007

Dear Ms Anna

Thanks for the feed back.Yes my father has Mars ,Moon,Rahu in the

11th -scorpio.

Regds

Pradeep

, 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep, Finn, all,

>

> Mars/Rahu does create VijayaYoga, but it's very difficult

combination anyway- victory-yes, eventually, but after lots of

stuggle/suffering.

> Pls. see Albert Einsten's chart: seems to be a perfect example.

> My 2ct.

> Regards,

> Anna

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Mr.Wandahl

>

> It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji

> can also return.

>

> Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

>

> From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural

> malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal

> case was not relating to Leo lagna.

>

> From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in

> line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I

hve

> seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

always

> > with mostly bad results.

> > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

> and 9th.

> > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget

the

> > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> >

> > Finn

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Styaji

> > >

> > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

> how

> > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> nture

> > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves

us.

> > >

> > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

balanced

> > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would

be

> to

> > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > >

> > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > >

> > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > then do not use them.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > you for

> > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > astrologer?

> > > > >

> > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > other than the

> > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > Besides

> > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > one-sided

> > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > accept their

> > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > sharing going

> > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > cann't people

> > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > free to publish

> > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > other

> > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > whole group?

> > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > the theories

> > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > this group. I

> > > > > think you

> > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > is based

> > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > causing all

> > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > then you

> > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ________

> > > ______________

> > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> someone

> > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

>

July 16, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

Let me add one more thing I've learned so far. Mars/Rahu combination appears

in charts of many famous personalities- difficult combination seems to give

drive and energy and stamina to succeed. I remember Robert Koch once said that

best educated /PhD/ people tend to have this contact present in their chart- so

far my experience confirms.

Success indicated here comes with high price, but comes.

Regards,

Anna

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Ms Anna

Thanks for the feed back.Yes my father has Mars ,Moon,Rahu in the

11th -scorpio.

Regds

Pradeep

, 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep, Finn, all,

>

> Mars/Rahu does create VijayaYoga, but it's very difficult

combination anyway- victory-yes, eventually, but after lots of

stuggle/suffering.

> Pls. see Albert Einsten's chart: seems to be a perfect example.

> My 2ct.

> Regards,

> Anna

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Mr.Wandahl

>

> It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji

> can also return.

>

> Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

>

> From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural

> malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal

> case was not relating to Leo lagna.

>

> From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in

> line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I

hve

> seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

always

> > with mostly bad results.

> > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

> and 9th.

> > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget

the

> > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> >

> > Finn

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Styaji

> > >

> > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

> how

> > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> nture

> > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves

us.

> > >

> > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

balanced

> > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would

be

> to

> > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > >

> > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > >

> > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > then do not use them.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > you for

> > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > astrologer?

> > > > >

> > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > other than the

> > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > Besides

> > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > one-sided

> > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > accept their

> > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > sharing going

> > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > cann't people

> > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > free to publish

> > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > other

> > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > whole group?

> > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > the theories

> > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > this group. I

> > > > > think you

> > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > is based

> > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > causing all

> > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > then you

> > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ________

> > > ______________

> > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> someone

> > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

>

July 16, 2007

Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention

towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in the

1st house.

Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to

their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-Karaka

function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But

benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic effect?

I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for

the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become

benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a

Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

Finn

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Wandahl

>

> It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji

> can also return.

>

> Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

>

> From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural

> malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal

> case was not relating to Leo lagna.

>

> From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in

> line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I hve

> seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and

> > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always

> > with mostly bad results.

> > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is

> > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two

> > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th

> and 9th.

> > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the

> > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> >

> > Finn

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Styaji

> > >

> > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding

> how

> > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> nture

> > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us.

> > >

> > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced

> > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be

> to

> > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > >

> > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > >

> > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > then do not use them.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > you for

> > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > astrologer?

> > > > >

> > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > other than the

> > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > Besides

> > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > one-sided

> > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > accept their

> > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > sharing going

> > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > cann't people

> > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > free to publish

> > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > other

> > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > whole group?

> > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > the theories

> > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > this group. I

> > > > > think you

> > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > is based

> > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > causing all

> > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > then you

> > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > __________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

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