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Dear Mr. Razdan,

 

Here is my view on the matter:

 

It is true that both 4th and 5th houses should be seen for

heart. Though 4th house appears to be well protected, same can

not be said about the 5th. 5th house has debilitated Saturn, 6th

lord Venus and co-lord of the 12th Ketu. 12th lord mars also

aspects the 5th house. Though you have pointed out that Saturn

gets neeachbhanga (as its dispositor is exalted), neechabhanga

does not help in matters of health. It could give you rajayoga

and wealth but will affect the health. Hence, it is pretty clear

that 5th house is afflicted. Also, please note that the lords of

6th, 8th and 12th have a big influence on the health.

 

Secondly, even though 4th lord Jupiter is well placed in its own

house, note that he is in the nakshatra of debilitated Saturn.

Hence, he carries the affliction to the 4th house as well.

 

Thirdly, the karaka for heart Sun is situated in the 6th house

and afflicted by badhaka Mercury with close conjunction. Note

that there is a parivartana between Sat and Mars. And, Mars is

in the nakshatra of Sun.

 

It is not surprising that you had a heart attack during

Sat-Sat-Mer period.

 

Hope this explains.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

--- pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

 

> I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am

> recovering

> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my

> birth

> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are

> DOB 4th

> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very

> strong in my

> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the

> strongest

> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack.

> There is

> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart

> problems but

> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a

> Neech

> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers

> have

> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh

> Lagna,

> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional

> jyotish

> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and

> K.N.Rao but

> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I

> have

> starting doubting its role in prediction.

> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow

> astrology learners.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any

> predictions

> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature

> youngster on

> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly

> depressed at his

> loose talk.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Namskar Razdan

With due respect

to your age and experience in astrology.. please consider the following point ..................As you said

1)

"I had a

heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrence since my birth

chart does not support it at all."

Who said that you don't have these kind of

affliction in your chart he need to re-look your chart. This is blessing of lagna lord this happening late in

life otherwise satrun antra was able to hit this event in various antra dasa you passed ...

2)

Kalapurusha

defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack.

i am agree the fourth house represent heart and

lord Jupiter in making it strong but your

Jupiter is in Asta-amsa-sashta (8th /6th from it own

position in Navmansh) ..and yes sun is karka for heart but it is in nidhnamsa..

Please clearly mention the definition of strength according to you.

3)

Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems

but

even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

Bhang and would not have done so much harm..

 

Forget what other are saying at-least you know

that the fifth house is second from 4th so we will consider it marka

for 4th house.and you will be agree upon 5th house is

having all enemies of fourth house nasrgika karka chander and lord jupiter.

Vimshotri dasa of shani lord of 2nd and

3rd having virshbha navmansh which is 6th house of

rashi having low shadbala.... Naturally satrun having

ability in all respect to debilitate your lagna lord Jupiter..............after

exchange with magnal which is 5th lord and 12th lord satrun is going to second from lagna and taking 2/12 position from the 8

th

lord chander placed in lagna which is natural karka for heart ..

After

exchange The magnal and ketu joining in mesha which is fourth house from shani and mangal

and ketu are badhka for dasa lord shani they all are joining in 4th the

house from dasa lord aspect of rahu making this more terrible.. so you can

understand what fourth house represent which is 5th house or your

rashi and second or marka to 4th

house in your natal chart.. and chander is marka for dasa lord

present

transit of satrun and ketu in simha which 8th house from dasa lord and second from your natal 8th house can easliy hit karak

or representation of your 8th house or 8th lord ............and satrun aspecting with (10th

aspect) your natal surya ,,,karka for health. so marka is working in its full strength

...prantar dasa of budha in mithuna amsa which is another badhka and marka for

dhanu lagna .. ... at the time of event they all were joining in 8thh from natal postion of shani...I think your point is clear and my reading is ""

A straight answer based

on the conventional jyotish""""Regard

 

 

 

On 01/10/2007, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

 

 

 

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

starting doubting its role in prediction.

I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

loose talk.

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan1. listopad 2007 9:50 Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recoveringafter an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birthchart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4thJune 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in mychart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongestplanet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There isno bad aspect on the fourth house too.Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems buteven here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a NeechBhang and would not have done so much harm.I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers havetried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotishis not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao butno answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I havestarting doubting its role in prediction.I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.Regards,P.N.RazdanP.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictionsregarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster onthe other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at hisloose talk.

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan1. listopad 2007 9:50 Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recoveringafter an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birthchart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4thJune 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in mychart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongestplanet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There isno bad aspect on the fourth house too.Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems buteven here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a NeechBhang and would not have done so much harm.I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers havetried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotishis not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao butno answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I havestarting doubting its role in prediction.I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.Regards,P.N.RazdanP.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictionsregarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster onthe other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at hisloose talk.

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Zoran,

Can you elaborate a little more on the

concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some

meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for

each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in

Pisces to be good!

The point regarding 2nd house

from AL being

see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or

finances.

Thanks

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amar

Tuesday, October 02, 2007

8:40 PM

;

sohamsa

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th

house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa

(8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health)

and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if

malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th

house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd

from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu

and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani

mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna.

Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth.

Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of

both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan

1. listopad 2007 9:50

 

[Om Krishna

Guru] Heart Attack

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I

am recovering

after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India

74E49,34n05)

Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

starting doubting its role in prediction.

I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

loose talk.

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Hare Rama KrishnaDear Ramesh,Think , the HL is used in longevity calculations/With regardsLakshmi"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <rgangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Zoran, Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good! The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or finances. Thanks Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amar Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM ; sohamsa RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Razdan, Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, having in mind thula navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which indicates serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd

from Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there, and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka

for heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly changed putting Shani in 8th house. p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other classical jyotish texts. Best wishes Zoran On Behalf Of pnrazdan 1. listopad 2007 9:50 [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am.

While I am recovering after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05) Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is no bad aspect on the fourth house too. Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech Bhang and would not have done so much harm. I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna, Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr

Charak and K.N.Rao but no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have starting doubting its role in prediction. I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners. Regards, P.N.Razdan P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his loose talk.

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Lakshmi,

You are right about HL and I am ok with AL being used as reference

point. It is the 2nd from AL

that I haven’t seen being used for health.

Regards

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary

Wednesday, October 03, 2007

3:26 PM

sohamsa

RE: RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama

Krishna

Dear Ramesh,

Think , the HL is used in longevity calculations/

With regards

Lakshmi

 

" Ramesh F.

Gangaramani " <rgangaramani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Zoran,

 

 

Can you elaborate a little more on the

concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some

meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for

each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in

Pisces to be good!

 

 

The point regarding 2nd house

from AL

being see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or

finances.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amar

Tuesday, October 02, 2007

8:40 PM

;

sohamsa

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

 

 

Dear Razdan,

 

 

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th

house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

 

 

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa

(8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

 

 

serious problems with Lagna lord (health)

and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

 

 

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if

malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

 

 

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th

house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

 

 

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd

from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

 

 

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu

and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

 

 

heart and blood. So normally during Shani

mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

 

 

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna.

Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

 

 

nakshatra so it will show its teeth.

Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

 

 

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

 

 

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of

both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

 

 

classical jyotish texts.

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

Zoran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan

1. listopad 2007 9:50

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar

Kashmir India

74E49,34n05)

Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

starting doubting its role in prediction.

I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

loose talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Zoran,

Can you elaborate a little more on the

concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some

meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for

each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in

Pisces to be good!

The point regarding 2nd house

from AL being

see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or

finances.

Thanks

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amar

Tuesday, October 02, 2007

8:40 PM

;

sohamsa

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th

house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa

(8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health)

and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if

malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th

house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd

from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu

and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani

mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna.

Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth.

Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of

both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan

1. listopad 2007 9:50

 

[Om Krishna

Guru] Heart Attack

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I

am recovering

after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India

74E49,34n05)

Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

starting doubting its role in prediction.

I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

loose talk.

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or relates to those

planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are deadly and cause serious

defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is normally good, excellent

however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi being watery-impossible

tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if Jupiter is in the process in Thula

Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer particularly if Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in mind.

Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana dasas of Trimsamsa, a person

will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani3. listopad 2007 16:44sohamsa ; Subject: RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Zoran,

Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or finances.

Thanks

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amarTuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM ; sohamsa Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan1. listopad 2007 9:50 Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recoveringafter an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birthchart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4thJune 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in mychart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongestplanet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There isno bad aspect on the fourth house too.Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems buteven here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a NeechBhang and would not have done so much harm.I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers havetried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotishis not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao butno answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I havestarting doubting its role in prediction.I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.Regards,P.N.RazdanP.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictionsregarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster onthe other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at hisloose talk.

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or relates to those

planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are deadly and cause serious

defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is normally good, excellent

however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi being watery-impossible

tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if Jupiter is in the process in Thula

Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer particularly if Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in mind.

Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana dasas of Trimsamsa, a person

will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani3. listopad 2007 16:44sohamsa ; Subject: RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Zoran,

Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa please? Do other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also new. We have always associated it with wealth or finances.

Thanks

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of amarTuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM ; sohamsa Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Razdan,

Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, having in mind thula

navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which indicates

serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). Planets in 2nd from

Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, Shani and Rahu there,

and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here hammed in by Ketu,Shani

and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna will cause heart

failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate Chandra who is karaka for

heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal will be active with

its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana sthana is placed in Shani

nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that Navamsa should be slightly

changed putting Shani in 8th house.

p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva Keralam, and other

classical jyotish texts.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdan1. listopad 2007 9:50 Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recoveringafter an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birthchart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4thJune 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in mychart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongestplanet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There isno bad aspect on the fourth house too.Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems buteven here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a NeechBhang and would not have done so much harm.I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers havetried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotishis not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao butno answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I havestarting doubting its role in prediction.I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology learners.Regards,P.N.RazdanP.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictionsregarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster onthe other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at hisloose talk.

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|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

 

Namaskaar Zoranji,

 

Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message

#11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle

of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different

charts have made the concept clear.

 

Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,

if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's

deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

 

Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th

lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva

could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

 

You said:

 

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

> dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign

> is afflicted.

 

Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should

check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If

yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we

should see a lot of health trouble?

 

Thank you once again.

 

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

 

sohamsa , " amar " <ahimsa wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or

> relates to those

> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are

deadly

> and cause serious

> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is

> normally good, excellent

> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi

> being watery-impossible

> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if

Jupiter is in

> the process in Thula

> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer

particularly if

> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in

mind.

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

dasas of

> Trimsamsa, a person

> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

> best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.com

> jyotish blog at

> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Ramesh F. Gangaramani

> 3. listopad 2007 16:44

> sohamsa ;

> RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

>

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Zoran,

>

> Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa

please? Do

> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka

> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this

> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

>

> The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also

new. We

> have always associated it with wealth or finances.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ramesh

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> amar

> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM

> ; sohamsa

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> Dear Razdan,

>

> Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,

having in

> mind thula

>

> navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which

> indicates

>

> serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).

Planets in

> 2nd from

>

> Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,

Shani and

> Rahu there,

>

> and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here

> hammed in by Ketu,Shani

>

> and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna

will

> cause heart

>

> failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate

Chandra who is

> karaka for

>

> heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal

will be

> active with

>

> its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana

sthana is

> placed in Shani

>

> nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that

Navamsa

> should be slightly

>

> changed putting Shani in 8th house.

>

> p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva

> Keralam, and other

>

> classical jyotish texts.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Zoran

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of pnrazdan

> 1. listopad 2007 9:50

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

> starting doubting its role in prediction.

> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology

learners.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

> loose talk.

>

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dear pran,good to know you have recovered. We should always accept problems as they are the oneswhich burn away our bad karma. Indulging always takes us away from the path of God and our Ultimategoal of Eternal Bliss. Now, coming to your chart, i do not claim i am an expert in medico astro but i think the very first point made by youthat some how the Saturn is not acting as if it undergone neech bhang seems to be right. More so, since you assumed the neech bhang has occured by aspect of the exalted mars. In fact, it may be the other way round that the exalted mars lost some of its effect thanks to the aspects of a deb saturn. the aspects of saturn on the mars often makes it act more benefic but here, it may be working the other way round. On the other hand, you should also appreciate that there is a parivartan of these two planets making saturn in 2nd - did it effect your father in an early age?- and mars in 5th. the 5th mars always effects your heart though it would give you a great education and perhaps, awards in the career- more so, since it is its mool trikon. You can also confirm whether there is great flow of cash between your brothers and yourself- such as you have spent a great fortune on your brother or the other way round. Now, coming to actual timing, it is very interesting since mercury being a malefic posited in the mool trikon of moon , should have really affected your brain and not your heart. May be that is your saving grace. in any case, it would adversely affected the venus who is extremely weak being in the place of mars with the nodes but i have not seen the involvement of venus in the planetary periods. Remember that you were born in the lunar mansion of Venus.

Even as you propitiate the saturn, it may do good for you to wear a diamond ring.Hope my analysis does hold some water. regards, Kishore patnaik 9849270729I suggest you start profitiating On 10/4/07, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

 

Namaskaar Zoranji,

 

Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message

#11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle

of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different

charts have made the concept clear.

 

Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,

if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's

deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

 

Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th

lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva

could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

 

You said:

 

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

> dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign

> is afflicted.

 

Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should

check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If

yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we

should see a lot of health trouble?

 

Thank you once again.

 

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

 

sohamsa , " amar " <ahimsa wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or

> relates to those

> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are

deadly

> and cause serious

> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is

> normally good, excellent

> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi

> being watery-impossible

> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if

Jupiter is in

> the process in Thula

> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer

particularly if

> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in

mind.

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

dasas of

> Trimsamsa, a person

> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

> best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.com

> jyotish blog at

> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Ramesh F. Gangaramani

> 3. listopad 2007 16:44

> sohamsa ;

 

> RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

>

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Zoran,

>

> Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa

please? Do

> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka

> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this

> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

>

> The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also

new. We

> have always associated it with wealth or finances.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ramesh

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> amar

> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM

> ;

sohamsa

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> Dear Razdan,

>

> Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,

having in

> mind thula

>

> navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which

> indicates

>

> serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).

Planets in

> 2nd from

>

> Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,

Shani and

> Rahu there,

>

> and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here

> hammed in by Ketu,Shani

>

> and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna

will

> cause heart

>

> failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate

Chandra who is

> karaka for

>

> heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal

will be

> active with

>

> its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana

sthana is

> placed in Shani

>

> nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that

Navamsa

> should be slightly

>

> changed putting Shani in 8th house.

>

> p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva

> Keralam, and other

>

> classical jyotish texts.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Zoran

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of pnrazdan

> 1. listopad 2007 9:50

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

> starting doubting its role in prediction.

> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology

learners.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

> loose talk.

>

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in

Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you

observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is

from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will

be affected.

What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of

houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds

true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.

Best wishes

Zoran

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

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|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message#11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principleof Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two differentcharts have made the concept clear.Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4thlord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeevacould be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?You said:> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > is afflicted.Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we shouldcheck the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? Ifyes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, weshould see a lot of health trouble?Thank you once again.May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or> relates to those> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets aredeadly> and cause serious> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> normally good, excellent> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi> being watery-impossible> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, ifJupiter is in> the process in Thula> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would sufferparticularly if> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this inmind.> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayanadasas of> Trimsamsa, a person> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Ramesh F. Gangaramani> 3. listopad 2007 16:44> sohamsa ; > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Zoran,> > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsaplease? Do> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is alsonew. We> have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > Thanks> > Ramesh> > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> amar> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> ; sohamsa > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Razdan,> > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,having in> mind thula> > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which> indicates> > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).Planets in> 2nd from> > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,Shani and> Rahu there,> > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgnawill> cause heart> > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitateChandra who is> karaka for> > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnalwill be> active with> > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidanasthana is> placed in Shani> > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive thatNavamsa> should be slightly> > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> Keralam, and other > > classical jyotish texts.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> > _____ > > [ ] On> Behalf Of pnrazdan> 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> starting doubting its role in prediction.> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrologylearners.> Regards,> P.N.Razdan> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> loose talk.>

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Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Zoran,What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and Aries Navamsa. As Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. This is its "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "house position" then?Respectfully,Michalamar <ahimsasohamsa Sent: Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PMRE: Re: [Om

Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in

Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you

observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is

from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will

be affected.

What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of

houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds

true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.

Best wishes

Zoran

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

 

 

 

sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh4. listopad 2007 16:17sohamsa@ .com Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message#11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principleof Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two differentcharts have made the concept clear.Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4thlord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeevacould be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?You said:> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > is afflicted.Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we shouldcheck the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? Ifyes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, weshould see a lot of health trouble?Thank you once again.May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa@ .com, "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or> relates to those> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets aredeadly> and cause serious> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> normally good, excellent> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi> being watery-impossible> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, ifJupiter is in> the process in Thula> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would sufferparticularly if> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this inmind.> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayanadasas of> Trimsamsa, a person> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] OnBehalf Of> Ramesh F. Gangaramani> 3. listopad 2007 16:44> sohamsa@ .com; > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Zoran,> > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsaplease? Do> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is alsonew. We> have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > Thanks> > Ramesh> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] OnBehalf Of> amar> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> ; sohamsa@ .com> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Razdan,> > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,having in> mind thula> > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which> indicates> > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).Planets in> 2nd from> > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,Shani and> Rahu there,> > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgnawill> cause heart> > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitateChandra who is> karaka for> > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnalwill be> active with> > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidanasthana is> placed in Shani> > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive thatNavamsa> should be slightly> > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> Keralam, and other > > classical jyotish texts.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> > _____ > > [] On> Behalf Of pnrazdan> 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> starting doubting its role in prediction.> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrologylearners.> Regards,> P.N.Razdan> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> loose talk.>

 

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Michal,

Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position".

House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of

the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,

you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also

Naidana.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski5. listopad 2007 10:15sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Zoran,What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and Aries Navamsa. As Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. This is its "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "house position" then?Respectfully,Michal

amar <ahimsa.yu>sohamsa Sent: Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PMRE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in

Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you

observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is

from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will

be affected.

What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of

houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds

true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.

Best wishes

Zoran

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

 

 

 

sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh4. listopad 2007 16:17sohamsa@ .com Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message#11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principleof Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two differentcharts have made the concept clear.Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4thlord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeevacould be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?You said:> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > is afflicted.Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we shouldcheck the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? Ifyes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, weshould see a lot of health trouble?Thank you once again.May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa@ .com, "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or> relates to those> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets aredeadly> and cause serious> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> normally good, excellent> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi> being watery-impossible> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, ifJupiter is in> the process in Thula> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would sufferparticularly if> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this inmind.> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayanadasas of> Trimsamsa, a person> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] OnBehalf Of> Ramesh F. Gangaramani> 3. listopad 2007 16:44> sohamsa@ .com; > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Zoran,> > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsaplease? Do> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is alsonew. We> have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > Thanks> > Ramesh> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] OnBehalf Of> amar> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> ; sohamsa@ .com> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Razdan,> > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,having in> mind thula> > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which> indicates> > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).Planets in> 2nd from> > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,Shani and> Rahu there,> > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgnawill> cause heart> > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitateChandra who is> karaka for> > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnalwill be> active with> > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidanasthana is> placed in Shani> > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive thatNavamsa> should be slightly> > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> Keralam, and other > > classical jyotish texts.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> > _____ > > [] On> Behalf Of pnrazdan> 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> starting doubting its role in prediction.> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrologylearners.> Regards,> P.N.Razdan> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> loose talk.>

 

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|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

 

Namaskaar Zoranji,

 

Okay, let me re-iterate just to make sure I understood the dictum

properly. Please correct me if this is wrong.

 

1) If a Sthira Karaka is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its

placement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, then

the deha/jeeva of the person signified by Sthira Karaka will suffer in

the appropriate dasa

 

2) If a Bhavesha is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its placement in

the sign of the 8th Bhava of the Rasi in Navamsa OR due to its

placement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, then

the deha/jeeva of the person indicated by the Bhavesha will suffer in

the appropriate dasa

 

Thank you!

 

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

 

sohamsa , " amar " <ahimsa wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Michal,

> Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position " .

> House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of

> the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,

> you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also

> Naidana.

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

>

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.com

> jyotish blog at

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Michal Dziwulski

> 5. listopad 2007 10:15

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Zoran,

>

> What do you mean by " house position and rashi to navamsa position " ?

>

> I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and Aries

Navamsa. As

> Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. This

is its

> " rasi to navamsa position " correct? So what is meant by " house

position "

> then?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

>

>

> amar <ahimsa

> sohamsa

> Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PM

> RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Reema,

> Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in

> Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you

> observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is

> from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will

> be affected.

> What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of

> houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds

> true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu. com

> jyotish blog at

> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On

Behalf

> Of reema_sriganesh

> 4. listopad 2007 16:17

> sohamsa@ .com

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krushna ||

>

> Namaskaar Zoranji,

>

> Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message

> #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle

> of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different

> charts have made the concept clear.

>

> Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,

> if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's

> deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

>

> Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th

> lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva

> could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?

>

> You said:

>

> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

> > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign

> > is afflicted.

>

> Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should

> check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If

> yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we

> should see a lot of health trouble?

>

> Thank you once again.

>

> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> Reema.

>

> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ,

" amar "

> <ahimsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to

Navamsa or

> > relates to those

> > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are

> deadly

> > and cause serious

> > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is

> > normally good, excellent

> > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena

rashi

> > being watery-impossible

> > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if

> Jupiter is in

> > the process in Thula

> > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer

> particularly if

> > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

> > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in

> mind.

> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

> dasas of

> > Trimsamsa, a person

> > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

> > best wishes

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > www.siva-edu. com

> > jyotish blog at

> > <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com

<http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>

> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Ramesh F. Gangaramani

> > 3. listopad 2007 16:44

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ;

> <%40>

> > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Zoran,

> >

> > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa

> please? Do

> > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka

> > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this

> > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

> >

> > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also

> new. We

> > have always associated it with wealth or finances.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ramesh

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > amar

> > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM

> >

<%40>

> ; sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> >

> > Dear Razdan,

> >

> > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,

> having in

> > mind thula

> >

> > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),

which

> > indicates

> >

> > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).

> Planets in

> > 2nd from

> >

> > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,

> Shani and

> > Rahu there,

> >

> > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here

> > hammed in by Ketu,Shani

> >

> > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna

> will

> > cause heart

> >

> > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate

> Chandra who is

> > karaka for

> >

> > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal

> will be

> > active with

> >

> > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana

> sthana is

> > placed in Shani

> >

> > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that

> Navamsa

> > should be slightly

> >

> > changed putting Shani in 8th house.

> >

> > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva

> > Keralam, and other

> >

> > classical jyotish texts.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Zoran

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> <%40>

> [

> <%40> ] On

> > Behalf Of pnrazdan

> > 1. listopad 2007 9:50

> >

<%40>

>

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

> >

> > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

> > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

> > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

> > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

> > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

> > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

> > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

> > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

> > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

> > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

> > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

> > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

> > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

> > starting doubting its role in prediction.

> > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology

> learners.

> > Regards,

> > P.N.Razdan

> > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

> > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

> > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

> > loose talk.

> _____

>

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.

> Play Sims <http://us.rd./evt=48224/*http://sims./>

> Stories at Games.

>

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

I uploaded the 1st part of a SIVA lecture

on Marana Sthan on my blog.

I think it will answer some queries on MKS

Please be patient a bit. Very soon, I will

upload the rest of the session.

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh5. listopad 2007 16:01sohamsa Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Okay, let me re-iterate just to make sure I understood the dictumproperly. Please correct me if this is wrong.1) If a Sthira Karaka is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person signified by Sthira Karaka will suffer inthe appropriate dasa2) If a Bhavesha is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its placement inthe sign of the 8th Bhava of the Rasi in Navamsa OR due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person indicated by the Bhavesha will suffer inthe appropriate dasaThank you!May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Michal,> Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position".> House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of> the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,> you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also> Naidana.> Best wishes> Zoran> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Michal Dziwulski> 5. listopad 2007 10:15> sohamsa > Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Zoran,> > What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?> > I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and AriesNavamsa. As> Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. Thisis its> "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "houseposition"> then?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > > > amar <ahimsa> sohamsa > Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PM> RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Reema,> Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in> Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you> observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is> from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will> be affected.> What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds> true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.> Best wishes> Zoran> > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] OnBehalf> Of reema_sriganesh> 4. listopad 2007 16:17> sohamsa@ .com> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > Namaskaar Zoranji,> > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message> #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle> of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different> charts have made the concept clear.> > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,> if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th> lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva> could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > You said:> > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > is afflicted.> > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should> check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If> yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we> should see a lot of health trouble?> > Thank you once again.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ,"amar"> <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi toNavamsa or> > relates to those> > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are> deadly> > and cause serious> > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> > normally good, excellent> > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meenarashi> > being watery-impossible> > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if> Jupiter is in> > the process in Thula> > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer> particularly if> > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in> mind.> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana> dasas of> > Trimsamsa, a person> > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> > best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. com> > jyotish blog at> > <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com<http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > Ramesh F. Gangaramani> > 3. listopad 2007 16:44> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ;> <%40> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Zoran,> > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa> please? Do> > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also> new. We> > have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > > > Thanks> > > > Ramesh> > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > amar> > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> > <%40>> ; sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,> having in> > mind thula> > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),which> > indicates> > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).> Planets in> > 2nd from> > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,> Shani and> > Rahu there,> > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> > hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna> will> > cause heart> > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate> Chandra who is> > karaka for> > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal> will be> > active with> > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana> sthana is> > placed in Shani> > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that> Navamsa> > should be slightly> > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> > Keralam, and other > > > > classical jyotish texts.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > > > _____ > > > > > <%40> > [> <%40> ] On> > Behalf Of pnrazdan> > 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > <%40>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> > starting doubting its role in prediction.> > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology> learners.> > Regards,> > P.N.Razdan> > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> > loose talk.> >> > > > > > _____ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims <http://us.rd./evt=48224/*http://sims./>> Stories at Games.>

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Dear Colleagus,

Having read all the messages well wishers have sent in sympathy for my

ailment, I am reminded of an event that used to happen in my childhood

days. I had a cousin who studied with me in school. Being a joint

family, we also had elder cousins, again a pair who studied in college

when we were probably in fifth or sixth standard. We faced some vexed

mathematical questions and unable to solve, used to go to our elder

cousins for guidance. The elder cousins were not so good at studies

and felt embarassed. They devised a trick. One of them would engage us

in talks while the other would stealithly see the answer of the

question at the back of the book. Then confidently they would confuse

us by multiplying, dividing etc. some numbers and arrive at last to

the known answer challenging us to see the answer at the

back.Something like this is the attempt to resolve my heart attack

event astrologically.

I remember again in our childhood days, semilettered jyotishis in our

place seeing the horoscope and telling things in a matter of few

minutes. They had no knowledge of these arudha lagnas, Amsas,

complicated calculations etc. and even in the matter of dasas, they

wouldnt go beyond ADs.Their predictions were accurate to the point and

based on elementary principles of jyotish.

At the cost of repetition, I would submit that our attempt is not to

see where we fail in our predictions but only trying to somehow

interpret a known event prompted by an individulistic ego.We never

undertake a sample analysis of a few hundred cases and try to evolve a

pattern. It is time statisticians try to use regression and model

fitting techniques to astrology. The models could be refined by adding

more and more variables. Only this will give a scientific and

predictive capability to this old science.

Sorry for being candid. My respects for all colleagues.

P.N.Razdan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " amar " <ahimsa wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or

> relates to those

> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are

deadly

> and cause serious

> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is

> normally good, excellent

> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi

> being watery-impossible

> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if

Jupiter is in

> the process in Thula

> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer

particularly if

> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in

mind.

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

dasas of

> Trimsamsa, a person

> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

> best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.com

> jyotish blog at

> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Ramesh F. Gangaramani

> 3. listopad 2007 16:44

> sohamsa ;

> RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

>

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Zoran,

>

> Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa

please? Do

> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka

> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this

> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

>

> The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also

new. We

> have always associated it with wealth or finances.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ramesh

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> amar

> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM

> ; sohamsa

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> Dear Razdan,

>

> Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,

having in

> mind thula

>

> navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which

> indicates

>

> serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).

Planets in

> 2nd from

>

> Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,

Shani and

> Rahu there,

>

> and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here

> hammed in by Ketu,Shani

>

> and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna

will

> cause heart

>

> failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate

Chandra who is

> karaka for

>

> heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal

will be

> active with

>

> its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana

sthana is

> placed in Shani

>

> nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that

Navamsa

> should be slightly

>

> changed putting Shani in 8th house.

>

> p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva

> Keralam, and other

>

> classical jyotish texts.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Zoran

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of pnrazdan

> 1. listopad 2007 9:50

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

> starting doubting its role in prediction.

> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology

learners.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

> loose talk.

>

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||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Zoran,

Thanks for your lecture on your website.

Could you please elaborate if the same principles work equally well in the Vargas esp Navamsa and Dasamsa.

Best wishes

Sharat

 

 

-

amar

sohamsa

Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:17 AM

RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

I uploaded the 1st part of a SIVA lecture

on Marana Sthan on my blog.

I think it will answer some queries on MKS

Please be patient a bit. Very soon, I will

upload the rest of the session.

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh5. listopad 2007 16:01sohamsa Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Okay, let me re-iterate just to make sure I understood the dictumproperly. Please correct me if this is wrong.1) If a Sthira Karaka is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person signified by Sthira Karaka will suffer inthe appropriate dasa2) If a Bhavesha is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its placement inthe sign of the 8th Bhava of the Rasi in Navamsa OR due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person indicated by the Bhavesha will suffer inthe appropriate dasaThank you!May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Michal,> Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position".> House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of> the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,> you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also> Naidana.> Best wishes> Zoran> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Michal Dziwulski> 5. listopad 2007 10:15> sohamsa > Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Zoran,> > What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?> > I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and AriesNavamsa. As> Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. Thisis its> "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "houseposition"> then?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > > > amar <ahimsa> sohamsa > Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PM> RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Reema,> Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in> Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you> observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is> from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will> be affected.> What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds> true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.> Best wishes> Zoran> > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] OnBehalf> Of reema_sriganesh> 4. listopad 2007 16:17> sohamsa@ .com> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > Namaskaar Zoranji,> > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message> #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle> of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different> charts have made the concept clear.> > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,> if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th> lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva> could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > You said:> > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > is afflicted.> > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should> check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If> yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we> should see a lot of health trouble?> > Thank you once again.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ,"amar"> <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi toNavamsa or> > relates to those> > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are> deadly> > and cause serious> > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> > normally good, excellent> > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meenarashi> > being watery-impossible> > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if> Jupiter is in> > the process in Thula> > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer> particularly if> > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in> mind.> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana> dasas of> > Trimsamsa, a person> > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> > best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. com> > jyotish blog at> > <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com<http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > Ramesh F. Gangaramani> > 3. listopad 2007 16:44> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ;> <%40> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Zoran,> > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa> please? Do> > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also> new. We> > have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > > > Thanks> > > > Ramesh> > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > amar> > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> > <%40>> ; sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,> having in> > mind thula> > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),which> > indicates> > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).> Planets in> > 2nd from> > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,> Shani and> > Rahu there,> > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> > hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna> will> > cause heart> > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate> Chandra who is> > karaka for> > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal> will be> > active with> > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana> sthana is> > placed in Shani> > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that> Navamsa> > should be slightly> > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> > Keralam, and other > > > > classical jyotish texts.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > > > _____ > > > > > <%40> > [> <%40> ] On> > Behalf Of pnrazdan> > 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > <%40>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> > starting doubting its role in prediction.> > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology> learners.> > Regards,> > P.N.Razdan> > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> > loose talk.> >> > > > > > _____ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims <http://us.rd./evt=48224/*http://sims./>> Stories at Games.>

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Om Namah Shivaya,

The principles in Vargas are slightly different.

I will elaborate it further on my webblog.(I uploaded

the second part of MKS also)

These principles work in Varga charts, however

karaka level is more effect.

For example, Shukra in 6th house will give terrible

suffering with emotinal life, while Guru in 3rd house

in Varga 7 will give suffering on account of children

However, there is another principle. IN Varga charts

you should look Marana stanas from Karya bhava

1. For example Shukra in 12th house is in Marana

sthana from Karya Bhava 7th house. Guru in 11th is not

good for spirituality

2.The worst results are expected when Karaka Graha

is in MKS or in 12th house

There are many other rules pertaining to MKS

and charakarakas and Marana

stana in varga charts which I will elaborate later

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat6. listopad 2007 14:26sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Zoran,

Thanks for your lecture on your website.

Could you please elaborate if the same principles work equally well in the Vargas esp Navamsa and Dasamsa.

Best wishes

Sharat

 

 

-

amar

sohamsa

Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:17 AM

RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

I uploaded the 1st part of a SIVA lecture

on Marana Sthan on my blog.

I think it will answer some queries on MKS

Please be patient a bit. Very soon, I will

upload the rest of the session.

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh5. listopad 2007 16:01sohamsa Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Okay, let me re-iterate just to make sure I understood the dictumproperly. Please correct me if this is wrong.1) If a Sthira Karaka is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person signified by Sthira Karaka will suffer inthe appropriate dasa2) If a Bhavesha is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its placement inthe sign of the 8th Bhava of the Rasi in Navamsa OR due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person indicated by the Bhavesha will suffer inthe appropriate dasaThank you!May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Michal,> Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position".> House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of> the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,> you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also> Naidana.> Best wishes> Zoran> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Michal Dziwulski> 5. listopad 2007 10:15> sohamsa > Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Zoran,> > What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?> > I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and AriesNavamsa. As> Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. Thisis its> "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "houseposition"> then?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > > > amar <ahimsa> sohamsa > Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PM> RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Reema,> Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in> Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you> observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is> from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will> be affected.> What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds> true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.> Best wishes> Zoran> > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] OnBehalf> Of reema_sriganesh> 4. listopad 2007 16:17> sohamsa@ .com> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > Namaskaar Zoranji,> > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message> #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle> of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different> charts have made the concept clear.> > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,> if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th> lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva> could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > You said:> > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > is afflicted.> > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should> check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If> yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we> should see a lot of health trouble?> > Thank you once again.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ,"amar"> <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi toNavamsa or> > relates to those> > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are> deadly> > and cause serious> > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> > normally good, excellent> > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meenarashi> > being watery-impossible> > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if> Jupiter is in> > the process in Thula> > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer> particularly if> > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in> mind.> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana> dasas of> > Trimsamsa, a person> > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> > best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. com> > jyotish blog at> > <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com<http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > Ramesh F. Gangaramani> > 3. listopad 2007 16:44> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ;> <%40> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Zoran,> > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa> please? Do> > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also> new. We> > have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > > > Thanks> > > > Ramesh> > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > amar> > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> > <%40>> ; sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,> having in> > mind thula> > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),which> > indicates> > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).> Planets in> > 2nd from> > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,> Shani and> > Rahu there,> > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> > hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna> will> > cause heart> > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate> Chandra who is> > karaka for> > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal> will be> > active with> > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana> sthana is> > placed in Shani> > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that> Navamsa> > should be slightly> > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> > Keralam, and other > > > > classical jyotish texts.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > > > _____ > > > > > <%40> > [> <%40> ] On> > Behalf Of pnrazdan> > 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > <%40>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> > starting doubting its role in prediction.> > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology> learners.> > Regards,> > P.N.Razdan> > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> > loose talk.> >> > > > > > _____ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims <http://us.rd./evt=48224/*http://sims./>> Stories at Games.>

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Om Namah Shivaya

Dear Sharat,

I have uploaded the whole lecture of MKS

on my blog. Regarding your questions, see

the following>

 

 

The principles in Vargas are slightly different.

I will elaborate it further on my webblog.(I uploaded

the second part of MKS also)

These principles work in Varga charts, however

karaka level is more effect.

For example, Shukra in 6th house will give terrible

suffering with emotinal life, while Guru in 3rd house

in Varga 7 will give suffering on account of children

However, there is another principle. IN Varga charts

you should look Marana stanas from Karya bhava

1. For example Shukra in 12th house is in Marana

sthana from Karya Bhava 7th house. Guru in 11th is not

good for spirituality

2.The worst results are expected when Karaka Graha

is in MKS or in 12th house

There are many other rules pertaining to MKS

and charakarakas and Marana

stana in varga charts which I will elaborate later

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat6. listopad 2007 14:26sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Zoran,

Thanks for your lecture on your website.

Could you please elaborate if the same principles work equally well in the Vargas esp Navamsa and Dasamsa.

Best wishes

Sharat

 

 

-

amar

sohamsa

Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:17 AM

RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Reema,

I uploaded the 1st part of a SIVA lecture

on Marana Sthan on my blog.

I think it will answer some queries on MKS

Please be patient a bit. Very soon, I will

upload the rest of the session.

Best wishes

 

Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh5. listopad 2007 16:01sohamsa Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Zoranji,Okay, let me re-iterate just to make sure I understood the dictumproperly. Please correct me if this is wrong.1) If a Sthira Karaka is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person signified by Sthira Karaka will suffer inthe appropriate dasa2) If a Bhavesha is placed in Naidana Navamsa due to its placement inthe sign of the 8th Bhava of the Rasi in Navamsa OR due to itsplacement in the 8th sign from its Rasi placement in the Navamsa, thenthe deha/jeeva of the person indicated by the Bhavesha will suffer inthe appropriate dasaThank you!May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Michal,> Your saturn shows what I meant by " rashi to navamsa position".> House position indicates those planets which are in navamsa of> the sign falling in the 8th house of the Rashi chart. For example,> you are kumba rising. Every planet found in kanya navamsa is also> Naidana.> Best wishes> Zoran> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Michal Dziwulski> 5. listopad 2007 10:15> sohamsa > Re: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Zoran,> > What do you mean by "house position and rashi to navamsa position"?> > I have Saturn in Nadiana Amsa as it is in Virgo Rasi and AriesNavamsa. As> Sani is Lagnesha my health should be affected during its dasa. Thisis its> "rasi to navamsa position" correct? So what is meant by "houseposition"> then?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > > > amar <ahimsa> sohamsa > Friday, October 5, 2007 3:13:02 PM> RE: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Reema,> Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in> Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you> observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is> from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will> be affected.> What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds> true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.> Best wishes> Zoran> > Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. com> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] OnBehalf> Of reema_sriganesh> 4. listopad 2007 16:17> sohamsa@ .com> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > Namaskaar Zoranji,> > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message> #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle> of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different> charts have made the concept clear.> > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,> if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th> lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva> could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > You said:> > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > is afflicted.> > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should> check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If> yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we> should see a lot of health trouble?> > Thank you once again.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ,"amar"> <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi toNavamsa or> > relates to those> > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are> deadly> > and cause serious> > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> > normally good, excellent> > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meenarashi> > being watery-impossible> > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if> Jupiter is in> > the process in Thula> > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer> particularly if> > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in> mind.> > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana> dasas of> > Trimsamsa, a person> > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> > best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. com> > jyotish blog at> > <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com<http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > Ramesh F. Gangaramani> > 3. listopad 2007 16:44> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ;> <%40> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Zoran,> > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa> please? Do> > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also> new. We> > have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > > > Thanks> > > > Ramesh> > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> ] On> Behalf Of> > amar> > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> > <%40>> ; sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,> having in> > mind thula> > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),which> > indicates> > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).> Planets in> > 2nd from> > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,> Shani and> > Rahu there,> > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> > hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna> will> > cause heart> > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate> Chandra who is> > karaka for> > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal> will be> > active with> > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana> sthana is> > placed in Shani> > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that> Navamsa> > should be slightly> > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> > Keralam, and other > > > > classical jyotish texts.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > > > _____ > > > > > <%40> > [> <%40> ] On> > Behalf Of pnrazdan> > 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > <%40>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> > starting doubting its role in prediction.> > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology> learners.> > Regards,> > P.N.Razdan> > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> > loose talk.> >> > > > > > _____ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims <http://us.rd./evt=48224/*http://sims./>> Stories at Games.>

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Dear members, The posting by Mr. Razdan merits serious consideration. It is nice to boast over our ancient astrology, but then when it fails deliver results it becomes a subject of ridicule. In this particular case' the help of Arudha lagna has been taken to explain " away " the even occurring in the natives life. There is no argument over Arudha lagna being a Parashari concept. Arudha lagna is explained as " maya " or how the native appears to others as compared to the lagna which shows the true self. If the heart attack was not real and others took it to be heart attack this explanation would sit the event. But the fact is the heart attack did take place.

Particularly, the knowledgeable astrologers, well versed in classical works should try to probe into why so many incidents in a man's life are not explained, let alone being predicted in advance. They should be open to new explanations and theories which are propounded by others. There should be no hesitation to appreciate good work done by others in the field. Regards,UdupaOn 10/6/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Colleagus,

Having read all the messages well wishers have sent in sympathy for my

ailment, I am reminded of an event that used to happen in my childhood

days. I had a cousin who studied with me in school. Being a joint

family, we also had elder cousins, again a pair who studied in college

when we were probably in fifth or sixth standard. We faced some vexed

mathematical questions and unable to solve, used to go to our elder

cousins for guidance. The elder cousins were not so good at studies

and felt embarassed. They devised a trick. One of them would engage us

in talks while the other would stealithly see the answer of the

question at the back of the book. Then confidently they would confuse

us by multiplying, dividing etc. some numbers and arrive at last to

the known answer challenging us to see the answer at the

back.Something like this is the attempt to resolve my heart attack

event astrologically.

I remember again in our childhood days, semilettered jyotishis in our

place seeing the horoscope and telling things in a matter of few

minutes. They had no knowledge of these arudha lagnas, Amsas,

complicated calculations etc. and even in the matter of dasas, they

wouldnt go beyond ADs.Their predictions were accurate to the point and

based on elementary principles of jyotish.

At the cost of repetition, I would submit that our attempt is not to

see where we fail in our predictions but only trying to somehow

interpret a known event prompted by an individulistic ego.We never

undertake a sample analysis of a few hundred cases and try to evolve a

pattern. It is time statisticians try to use regression and model

fitting techniques to astrology. The models could be refined by adding

more and more variables. Only this will give a scientific and

predictive capability to this old science.

Sorry for being candid. My respects for all colleagues.

P.N.Razdan

 

, " amar " <ahimsa wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or

> relates to those

> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are

deadly

> and cause serious

> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is

> normally good, excellent

> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi

> being watery-impossible

> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if

Jupiter is in

> the process in Thula

> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer

particularly if

> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.

> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in

mind.

> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana

dasas of

> Trimsamsa, a person

> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.

> best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.com

> jyotish blog at

> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Ramesh F. Gangaramani

> 3. listopad 2007 16:44

> sohamsa ;

 

> RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

>

>

>

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Zoran,

>

> Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa

please? Do

> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka

> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this

> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!

>

> The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also

new. We

> have always associated it with wealth or finances.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ramesh

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> amar

> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM

> ;

sohamsa

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> Dear Razdan,

>

> Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,

having in

> mind thula

>

> navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which

> indicates

>

> serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).

Planets in

> 2nd from

>

> Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,

Shani and

> Rahu there,

>

> and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here

> hammed in by Ketu,Shani

>

> and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna

will

> cause heart

>

> failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate

Chandra who is

> karaka for

>

> heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal

will be

> active with

>

> its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana

sthana is

> placed in Shani

>

> nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that

Navamsa

> should be slightly

>

> changed putting Shani in 8th house.

>

> p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva

> Keralam, and other

>

> classical jyotish texts.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Zoran

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of pnrazdan

> 1. listopad 2007 9:50

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

>

> I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering

> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth

> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th

> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)

> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my

> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest

> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is

> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.

> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but

> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech

> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.

> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have

> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,

> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish

> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but

> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have

> starting doubting its role in prediction.

> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology

learners.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions

> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on

> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his

> loose talk.

>

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Dear Razdanji,

 

Well said. anything can be fitted in your Horoscope depending on your Request like if you say

you had a Heart attack , accident , divorce etc..... for everything there is some concept to prove

it . Nothing is consistent ,There is no hard and fast rules ,no one can say firmly that this will

happen to you but they will prove it why it happened (off course after something has happened).

One need to agree that Astrology is a Science but the predictions from the so called astrologers

doesn't have any scientific approach , So the predictions are not accurate or they are not able to understand this divine science .The Only one who knows this divine science is GOD, believe in him.

 

Ramki

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pnrazdanSaturday, October 06, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack

 

 

Dear Colleagus,Having read all the messages well wishers have sent in sympathy for myailment, I am reminded of an event that used to happen in my childhooddays. I had a cousin who studied with me in school. Being a jointfamily, we also had elder cousins, again a pair who studied in collegewhen we were probably in fifth or sixth standard. We faced some vexedmathematical questions and unable to solve, used to go to our eldercousins for guidance. The elder cousins were not so good at studiesand felt embarassed. They devised a trick. One of them would engage usin talks while the other would stealithly see the answer of thequestion at the back of the book. Then confidently they would confuseus by multiplying, dividing etc. some numbers and arrive at last tothe known answer challenging us to see the answer at theback.Something like this is the attempt to resolve my heart attackevent astrologically.I remember again in our childhood days, semilettered jyotishis in ourplace seeing the horoscope and telling things in a matter of fewminutes. They had no knowledge of these arudha lagnas, Amsas,complicated calculations etc. and even in the matter of dasas, theywouldnt go beyond ADs.Their predictions were accurate to the point andbased on elementary principles of jyotish.At the cost of repetition, I would submit that our attempt is not tosee where we fail in our predictions but only trying to somehowinterpret a known event prompted by an individulistic ego.We neverundertake a sample analysis of a few hundred cases and try to evolve apattern. It is time statisticians try to use regression and modelfitting techniques to astrology. The models could be refined by addingmore and more variables. Only this will give a scientific andpredictive capability to this old science.Sorry for being candid. My respects for all colleagues.P.N.Razdan , "amar" <ahimsa wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or> relates to those> planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets aredeadly> and cause serious> defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> normally good, excellent> however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi> being watery-impossible> tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, ifJupiter is in> the process in Thula> Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would sufferparticularly if> Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this inmind.> Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayanadasas of> Trimsamsa, a person> will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.com> jyotish blog at> <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> Ramesh F. Gangaramani> 3. listopad 2007 16:44> sohamsa ; > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > Dear Zoran,> > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsaplease? Do> other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is alsonew. We> have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > Thanks> > Ramesh> > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf Of> amar> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> ; sohamsa > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Razdan,> > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,having in> mind thula> > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which> indicates> > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).Planets in> 2nd from> > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,Shani and> Rahu there,> > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgnawill> cause heart> > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitateChandra who is> karaka for> > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnalwill be> active with> > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidanasthana is> placed in Shani> > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive thatNavamsa> should be slightly> > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> Keralam, and other > > classical jyotish texts.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> > _____ > > [ ] On> Behalf Of pnrazdan> 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> starting doubting its role in prediction.> I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrologylearners.> Regards,> P.N.Razdan> P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> loose talk.>

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, " Inder Jit Sahni "

<inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> This is about a letter posted in the Journal of Astrology

October-December

> 2007 issue.

>

> Why this journal is delivered only after passing of its duration

,does not

> inspire confidence , though name of K N RAO is attached to this. Any

way I

> am not writing about this. But my question is about the mail printed

in this

> issue. One Shri PNR Razdan date of birth 4.6.1939 Time of birth

21.41 Place

> of birth Srinagar Kashmir 74E49, 34N05 , had enquired that he had a

heart

> attack on 1st September obviously of 2007 in the night. I am

recovering now

> with angioplasty performed a fortnight back. He is surprised that

his chart

> does not carry any indication of heart trouble as 4rth house is well

> disposed etc etc and he could not get a proper answer to his question .

>

> Well can any body will have time to look into this and give this man

a to

> the point answer , not confusing one.

>

> Let us try establish astrology is science.

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

> Dear Inder, will that person have dhanur lagna? I m just checking.

 

regards,

Ashwini

>

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“Dear Inder, will that person have dhanur lagna? I m just checking.

 

regards,

Ashwini “

 

 

 

Yes

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

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