Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Pran, Thanks. The reason I asked was, as per my understanding, any attack must have a relationship with Rahu. Any way, I will ask you again if I need to know some thing. Saturn in the fifth shall effect to the 4th house as it gives Papa Argala to the 4th house. It conjoined Ketu, Venus and aspected by Mars and is a bad yoga in 5th. This effect to your heart without doubt. Secondly, Rahu is in 6th from the Sun and 8th from the 4th. Rahu has stong influences on Sun, when he is in the 6th from Jupiter or Sun. He gives maximum troubles when the time comes. You are running Virgo- Virgo Narayana Dasa. ( I prefer Narayana Dasa for this) Lord Mercury is Badaka conjoined Sun in the 6th house. Virgo sub dasa is running from June to Sep 2007. Check carefully, you will find this is the 3rd part of the sub dasa. It activate Rahu's dristi and enmity on Sun from 27th Sep to 07th of octomber. See the lord of Mercury conjoined Sun. Usually, Ruhu gives results before we guess, and that is why we are shoking. Visti has explained other areas vividly. I am copying this mail to the group as well. Thanks for the information and best wishes. May the Mritunajaya Devata bless you with long life. Karu - PNRazdan Karu Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:09 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack Dear Karu, My heart attack is a surprise not only for my friends but also for the doctors. I was extremely careful with my diet, medicines for hypertension and cholestrol and never allowed these to cross defined limits. I am a thin man with 64 kg weight and walked four kilometers everyday. I used to have one and a half hours yoga every morning. I went to Jammu to attend to my wife who was hospitalised there for some ailment. This disrupted my daily schedule apart from heavy exertion. but the block in my artery was a longish one accumulated over several years. I never had any symptoms earlier and led a healthy life style even at my age of 68 years. Regards, PranKaru <heen wrote: Dear Pran, Are you able to give me some background informations ? Such as how did you had this attack and what were the influences came from your home, job, friends / sorrow, joy or any other shoks etc. I mean it shoud have formed perhaps few months or even few years earlier. Please writwe my email. Thanks Karu - "pnrazdan" <> Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:21 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > Dear Visti ji,> I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a> stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two> questions:-> 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for> heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened.> 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate> combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech> Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving> to be a strong malefic.Please confirm> My birth particulars are > DOB 4th June 1939> TOB 21:41;59> POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05> With regards,> Pran Razdan> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practice charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2007 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Pran, Namaskar Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at least some more time. With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha lagna making it quite malefic. Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to it, making the time even more dangerous. Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. Looking forward to your reply. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji, I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two questions:- 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving to be a strong malefic.Please confirm My birth particulars are DOB 4th June 1939 TOB 21:41;59 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 With regards, Pran Razdan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2007 Dear Mr. Pran, I analyzed your chart using cuspal interlink theory. I see that this is your sat-sat- mer Dasha and mercury has the 6-8-12 link with Saturn strongly representing 4th house - heart( Ketu being the star lord of Saturn and that of 4th house.) Regards,UdupaOn 9/17/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji, I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two questions:- 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving to be a strong malefic.Please confirm My birth particulars are DOB 4th June 1939 TOB 21:41;59 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 With regards, Pran Razdan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Mr. Pram Razdan, I may like to mentin few words on your illness, 1. Neecha - bhang of a planet1generates Rajyoga and does not help in health problems. 2. Saturn is 2L and marka , placed in Ketu Nakshatra with Ketu and 6L Venus.This is a deadly combination for ill health. According to JH-hora software, you were running Sat/SAT/VENUS DASA , WHICH was bad for health. 3.Sat/ Mer/Moon is also bad . recite Mahamirtunjya Mantra ,108 times ,every day. RrgardsG.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Pran Ji, You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012 and Jul 2012. Hope you are recovering your health. Thanks and regards. Ramesh MishraVisti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Pran, NamaskarThank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at least some more time. With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha lagna making it quite malefic. Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to it, making the time even more dangerous.Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|.Looking forward to your reply. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji,I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With astunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have twoquestions:-1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka forheart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened.2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriatecombination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So NeechBhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is provingto be a strong malefic.Please confirmMy birth particulars are DOB 4th June 1939TOB 21:41;59POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05With regards,Pran Razdan Travelling to a new city? Search for ATMs in that city. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Ashji/Ramesh, for heart attack or accident, the points for the planet whose antra is going on should be more or less ? in some previous mail from Krushnaji, accident/heart attack he pointed out low points in the 7th house in workheet when the antra of planet is going on... am i on wrong track ? thanks/regards harjeet , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, > This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. > I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. > The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. > Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. > There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. > Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? > Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? > Now after that we should time the event > The event took place in Sa- Sa. > Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. > Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. > How do we do that ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Please check the following msgs #1982 #2355 Hope this helps Bala Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Please check the following msgs #1982 #2355 Hope this helps Bala Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2007 Dear Ramesh, I am attempting this one as per my little knowledge. Actually this revoloves arround house6th,7th and 8th in Sat antra. In Sat MD, results for 7th and 8th are expected. Beside this... One zero in 5th and 7th by Moon and Mars and one Zero in navamsa by Moon 1] heart attack in Sa-Sa 2] Heart attack as per 7th house and karka Saturn. 3] The native escaped as you write so this may be taken as 6th house,(house of disease) as houseB 4] The karka of 6th is Jup in 4th house with 5 pts, more prone to give event for 7th house. 5] On 1st Sept 2007 Sun was transiting in in 9th house, in leo,and 9 pts in 9th house by Sun.The problem was indicated as such. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dear Visti-Ji, Would it be possible, to briefly indicate the points to check for seeing heart problem in a chart? Respectively, and with many thanks for your guidance, Gilbert. , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at least > some more time. > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of this > world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but you are > now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as your are > heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn in the > eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of Cancer-Cancer > aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha lagna making it > quite malefic. > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to it, > making the time even more dangerous. > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how you > cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna will > not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that Jupiter > has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, then > this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. > Looking forward to your reply. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti <visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > pnrazdan wrote: > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two > > questions:- > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm > > My birth particulars are > > DOB 4th June 1939 > > TOB 21:41;59 > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > > With regards, > > Pran Razdan > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Hello GilbertCheck out if the following link serve your purpose ...http://.org/articles/heartdisease.htmamipuri On 21/09/2007, gilbert_benny_hadley <gilbert_benny_hadley wrote: Dear Visti-Ji, Would it be possible, to briefly indicate the points to check for seeing heart problem in a chart? Respectively, and with many thanks for your guidance, Gilbert. , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at least > some more time. > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of this > world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but you are > now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as your are > heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn in the > eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of Cancer-Cancer > aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha lagna making it > quite malefic. > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to it, > making the time even more dangerous. > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how you > cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna will > not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that Jupiter > has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, then > this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. > Looking forward to your reply. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti <visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > pnrazdan wrote: > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two > > questions:- > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm > > My birth particulars are > > DOB 4th June 1939 > > TOB 21:41;59 > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > > With regards, > > Pran Razdan > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 |om| Dear Pran, namaste A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!! Its what is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this matter. I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I think that it would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra / Astakshari Narayana mantra. best regards Hari On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: Dear Ramesh,I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given me only twomore years of life.Pran , ramesh mishra<aarceemastro2002 wrote:>> Dear Pran Ji,> You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012and Jul 2012. > Hope you are recovering your health.> Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> > Visti Larsen <visti wrote:> & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350; & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405;> Dear Pran, Namaskar> Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for atleast some more time.> > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out ofthis world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, butyou are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier.> > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturnin the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa ofCancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha lagna making it quite malefic.> > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines toit, making the time even more dangerous.> Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagnawill not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed thatJupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya,then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|.> Looking forward to your reply.> > Yours sincerely, > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji,> I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a> stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two> questions:- > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for> heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened.> 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate> combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving> to be a strong malefic.Please confirm> My birth particulars are > DOB 4th June 1939> TOB 21:41;59> POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > With regards,> Pran Razdan .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Harjeet and all, I am first in confusion whether 4th is for heart or 5th is considered for heart. Some astrologers say heart is seen from 4th and some opine from 5th house. Secondly who is the most beneficial planet who saved the native from mishap. First we should she whether heart attack is indicated in the chart or not. If it is so then when ? When the event like accident or any type of attack occurs, will then the native be saved ? After knowing the event we somehow try to prove it. But with this type of event which may cause threat to life, we should learn it the process thoroughly. This is the reason I put forward this chart before the forum so that we can learn taking help of the event occurred. At first sight we should confirm whether the heart is signified by 4th or 5th house. When we consider 7th for accident then what sort of accident will take place. Is it vehicular accident, or heart attack or accident due to bullet injury. As I think, I am not sure. For vehicular accident the 3rd house of journey should come into play.Likewise for heart attack may be 4th or 5th house involvement. For accident with bullet or attempt to murder might be the involvement of 6th house. After ascertaining the combination then we may proceed further for outcoming the result of nature of accident. Am I correct ? Ramesh Mishra"Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh, I am attempting this one as per my little knowledge. Actually this revoloves arround house6th,7th and 8th in Sat antra. In Sat MD, results for 7th and 8th are expected. Beside this... One zero in 5th and 7th by Moon and Mars and one Zero in navamsa by Moon 1] heart attack in Sa-Sa 2] Heart attack as per 7th house and karka Saturn. 3] The native escaped as you write so this may be taken as 6th house,(house of disease) as houseB 4] The karka of 6th is Jup in 4th house with 5 pts, more prone to give event for 7th house. 5] On 1st Sept 2007 Sun was transiting in in 9th house, in leo,and 9 pts in 9th house by Sun.The problem was indicated as such. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dear Ramesh/Ashji/all, from posts of Krushnaji, its 4th house if i am not mistaken. involvement of 6th lord with 4th house or vice versa may indicated heart trouble. i think low points in 7th house would indicated accident/heart attack. if 6th house points are more.. good chances of recovery.. if 8th points are more then can cause death. in some mail Krushnaji pointed sun's role too. i am not sure if its due to some lordship or natural karak of heart. Ashji can guide more on that. thanks/regards harjeet , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Harjeet and all, > I am first in confusion whether 4th is for heart or 5th is considered for heart. > Some astrologers say heart is seen from 4th and some opine from 5th house. > Secondly who is the most beneficial planet who saved the native from mishap. > First we should she whether heart attack is indicated in the chart or not. > If it is so then when ? > When the event like accident or any type of attack occurs, will then the native be saved ? > After knowing the event we somehow try to prove it. But with this type of event which may cause threat to life, we should learn it the process thoroughly. > This is the reason I put forward this chart before the forum so that we can learn taking help of the event occurred. > > At first sight we should confirm whether the heart is signified by 4th or 5th house. > When we consider 7th for accident then what sort of accident will take place. > Is it vehicular accident, or heart attack or accident due to bullet injury. > As I think, I am not sure. > For vehicular accident the 3rd house of journey should come into play. > Likewise for heart attack may be 4th or 5th house involvement. > For accident with bullet or attempt to murder might be the involvement of 6th house. > After ascertaining the combination then we may proceed further for outcoming the result of nature of accident. > Am I correct ? > Ramesh Mishra > " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > I am attempting this one as per my little knowledge. > Actually this revoloves arround house6th,7th and 8th in Sat antra. > In Sat MD, results for 7th and 8th are expected. > Beside this... > One zero in 5th and 7th by Moon and Mars and one Zero in navamsa by Moon > > 1] heart attack in Sa-Sa > 2] Heart attack as per 7th house and karka Saturn. > 3] The native escaped as you write so this may be taken as 6th house,(house of disease) > as houseB > 4] The karka of 6th is Jup in 4th house with 5 pts, more prone to give > event for 7th house. > 5] On 1st Sept 2007 Sun was transiting in in 9th house, in leo,and 9 pts in 9th house by Sun.The problem was indicated as such. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, > This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. > I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. > The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. > Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. > There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. > Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? > Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? > Now after that we should time the event > The event took place in Sa- Sa. > Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. > Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. > How do we do that ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on the website for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to say that, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way this information was handled and responded.by the members. Far from answering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringing in different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret events post factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me advice on the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless to say that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person who is recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two years left and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. And there are others who strongly support it as if they are hundred percent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurus as to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in the whole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correct prediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an event post factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person which has half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claim infallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity. I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which is devoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested in exhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner ever known. Pran Razdan , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Pran, namaste > > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!! Its what > is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this > matter. > > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I think that it > would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra / > Astakshari Narayana mantra. > > best regards > Hari > > > > On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given me only two > > more years of life. > > Pran > > > > <%40>, > > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pran Ji, > > > You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012 > > and Jul 2012. > > > Hope you are recovering your health. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350; > > & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405; > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at > > least some more time. > > > > > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of > > this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but > > you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as > > your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. > > > > > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn > > in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of > > Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha > > lagna making it quite malefic. > > > > > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to > > it, making the time even more dangerous. > > > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how > > you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna > > will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that > > Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > > > > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, > > then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. > > > Looking forward to your reply. > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > -- > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > > > email: visti@ > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji, > > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a > > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two > > > questions:- > > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for > > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. > > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate > > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech > > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving > > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm > > > My birth particulars are > > > DOB 4th June 1939 > > > TOB 21:41;59 > > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > > > With regards, > > > Pran Razdan > > > > . > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Pran, Namaskar I understand that this discussion on your longevity will make you quite anxious, and i apologize for not being clear with you. Yes, we are looking at the event after it happened, but that is what you asked us to do. I think you have misunderstood my mail which i will now clarify: i. I remain that you don't have a heart problem as no strong indications are there for that in your chart. Instead this is due to the Sun in third from Arudha lagna which brings the cause of demise, and it is not indicating any disease as the cause. Know that a person can experience the threats to their longevity through the causes indicated in the third from arudha lagna before their longevity ends. This brings me to the second point. ii. Your longevity from many points is confirming middle life, with the opportunity to extend it to long life because of Jupiter. Thats why you didn't have your demise this time... Jupiter. But! When this conflict between the longevity calculations and the forces to change the same are colliding, the native will experience a threat to their longevity, yet may not die. This is what has happened to you - in fact it shows that you have been given a second chance. iii. I dunno whether the 'neo-astrology' comment was aimed at my mail, but the techniques of using pranapada for longevity has been showed in great detail in Sanjayji's Pranapada article, and indeed with Vimshottari dasa. We are indeed all happy to have you with us. I still remain that you should recite the mrityunjaya mantra until you have crossed the middle life barrier of 72 years, as relapses can indeed occur before you begin the long life portion. I'm sorry if you were hurt by any mails written. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com pnrazdan wrote: While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on the website for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to say that, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way this information was handled and responded.by the members. Far from answering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringing in different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret events post factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me advice on the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless to say that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person who is recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two years left and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. And there are others who strongly support it as if they are hundred percent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurus as to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in the whole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correct prediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an event post factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person which has half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claim infallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity. I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which is devoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested in exhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner ever known. Pran Razdan , "Jyotisa Shisya" <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Pran, namaste > > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!! Its what > is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this > matter. > > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I think that it > would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra / > Astakshari Narayana mantra. > > best regards > Hari > > > > On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given me only two > > more years of life. > > Pran > > > > <%40>, > > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pran Ji, > > > You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012 > > and Jul 2012. > > > Hope you are recovering your health. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350; > > & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405; > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at > > least some more time. > > > > > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of > > this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but > > you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as > > your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. > > > > > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn > > in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of > > Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha > > lagna making it quite malefic. > > > > > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to > > it, making the time even more dangerous. > > > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how > > you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna > > will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that > > Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > > > > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, > > then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. > > > Looking forward to your reply. > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > -- > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > > > email: visti@ > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji, > > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a > > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two > > > questions:- > > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for > > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. > > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate > > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So Neech > > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving > > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm > > > My birth particulars are > > > DOB 4th June 1939 > > > TOB 21:41;59 > > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > > > With regards, > > > Pran Razdan > > > > . > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 |om| Dear Sri Pran, namaste I am very sorry that my words have offended you in some way. Please calm down and keep a positive outlook. >...And there are others who strongly support it... I stand 100% in support of Visti and the knowledge he has imbibed from Sanjay Rath. I however have said before and will say it again 'Only God has the final say in deciding the longevity of the native " best regards Hari On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on thewebsite for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to saythat, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way thisinformation was handled and responded.by the members. Far fromanswering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringingin different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret events post factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me adviceon the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless tosay that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person who is recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two yearsleft and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. Andthere are others who strongly support it as if they are hundredpercent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurus as to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in thewhole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correctprediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an eventpost factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person which has half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claiminfallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity.I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which isdevoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested in exhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner ever known. Pran Razdan , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi wrote:>> |om|> Dear Pran, namaste> > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!! Its what> is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this> matter.> > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I thinkthat it> would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra / > Astakshari Narayana mantra.> > best regards> Hari .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dear Ramesh, 4th house is to be considered for Heart and 7th house for accidents. Influence of Sun on 4th house might make one prone for heart attack. Timing of accident which Heart attack is considered is from 7th house. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of ramesh mishra Friday September 21, 2007 10:57 AM Re: Re: Heart Attack Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Harjeet and all, I am first in confusion whether 4th is for heart or 5th is considered for heart. Some astrologers say heart is seen from 4th and some opine from 5th house. Secondly who is the most beneficial planet who saved the native from mishap. First we should she whether heart attack is indicated in the chart or not. If it is so then when ? When the event like accident or any type of attack occurs, will then the native be saved ? After knowing the event we somehow try to prove it. But with this type of event which may cause threat to life, we should learn it the process thoroughly. This is the reason I put forward this chart before the forum so that we can learn taking help of the event occurred. At first sight we should confirm whether the heart is signified by 4th or 5th house. When we consider 7th for accident then what sort of accident will take place. Is it vehicular accident, or heart attack or accident due to bullet injury. As I think, I am not sure. For vehicular accident the 3rd house of journey should come into play. Likewise for heart attack may be 4th or 5th house involvement. For accident with bullet or attempt to murder might be the involvement of 6th house. After ascertaining the combination then we may proceed further for outcoming the result of nature of accident. Am I correct ? Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 > wrote: Dear Ramesh, I am attempting this one as per my little knowledge. Actually this revoloves arround house6th,7th and 8th in Sat antra. In Sat MD, results for 7th and 8th are expected. Beside this... One zero in 5th and 7th by Moon and Mars and one Zero in navamsa by Moon 1] heart attack in Sa-Sa 2] Heart attack as per 7th house and karka Saturn. 3] The native escaped as you write so this may be taken as 6th house,(house of disease) as houseB 4] The karka of 6th is Jup in 4th house with 5 pts, more prone to give event for 7th house. 5] On 1st Sept 2007 Sun was transiting in in 9th house, in leo,and 9 pts in 9th house by Sun.The problem was indicated as such. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Respectable Pran ji, Nameste, in fact I was stunned by composition of first Mail by VISTI, his later clarification is in order. No body has stated the astrological reason of attack but III from AL does indicate about circuimstances of death. As analysis was based on it, I think Your logevity question has not been adequately handled but simple guess work is posted. Please Relax as a vetran you know It is not easy to tell accuratly about death even by experts. with best wishes and prayer for your speedy recovery. OM TAT SAT - pnrazdan Friday, September 21, 2007 1:51 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on thewebsite for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to saythat, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way thisinformation was handled and responded.by the members. Far fromanswering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringingin different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret eventspost factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me adviceon the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless tosay that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person whois recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two yearsleft and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. Andthere are others who strongly support it as if they are hundredpercent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurusas to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in thewhole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correctprediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an eventpost factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person whichhas half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claiminfallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity.I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which isdevoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested inexhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner ever known. Pran Razdan , "Jyotisa Shisya"<achyutagaddi wrote:>> |om|> Dear Pran, namaste> > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!!Its what> is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this> matter.> > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I thinkthat it> would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra /> Astakshari Narayana mantra.> > best regards> Hari> > > > On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh,> > I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given me only two> > more years of life.> > Pran> >> > <%40>,> > ramesh mishra> > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pran Ji,> > > You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012> > and Jul 2012.> > > Hope you are recovering your health.> > > Thanks and regards.> > > Ramesh Mishra> > >> > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> > > & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350;> > & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405;> > > Dear Pran, Namaskar> > > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at> > least some more time.> > >> > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of> > this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but> > you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as> > your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier.> > >> > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn> > in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of> > Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha> > lagna making it quite malefic.> > >> > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to> > it, making the time even more dangerous.> > > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how> > you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna> > will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that> > Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's.> > >> > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya,> > then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|.> > > Looking forward to your reply.> > >> > > Yours sincerely,> > > --> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark> > > email: visti@> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:http://srigaruda.com> > >> > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji,> > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a> > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two> > > questions:-> > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for> > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened.> > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate> > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. SoNeech> > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving> > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm> > > My birth particulars are> > > DOB 4th June 1939> > > TOB 21:41;59> > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05> > > With regards,> > > Pran Razdan> >> > .> >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2007 Dear Swami, Thanks for your comforting message. In fact I am not worried of death even if it comes two years from now, but what irks me is the claim of infallibility for something that is never fool proof. I once took a sample of 100 dead persons to see how many of them died in the Maraka dasha. Just 20 % only did so and all others in Rahu, 12th lord etc. etc. I shall do a similar study to see how many fulfil the Jaimini test of Puran Ayu, Madhya ayu and alp ayu. Most of the time we find some way to interpret an event post factively so as to make astrology and ourselves unblemished. We never want to research as to why a straight interpretation has failed. This happened in my case. While there is no astro combination to predict the heart attack, an effort was all the time made to interpret it in some way leaving aside my question as to why the obvious configuration has failed to interpret it. There is some literature which relates fifth house too to heart problems. Recent issues of Vedic Astrology contain a series of articles on this. This is something which can explain my dilemma. Rasi lagna is better in predicting bodily troubles than the Arudha lagna. Regards P.N.Razdan , <swami wrote: > > Respectable Pran ji, > Nameste, in fact I was stunned by composition of first Mail by VISTI, his later clarification is in order. > No body has stated the astrological reason of attack but III from AL does indicate about circuimstances of death. > As analysis was based on it, I think Your logevity question has not been adequately handled but simple guess work is posted. > Please Relax as a vetran you know It is not easy to tell accuratly about death even by experts. > with best wishes and prayer for your speedy recovery. > OM TAT SAT > > - > pnrazdan > > Friday, September 21, 2007 1:51 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > > > While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on the > website for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to say > that, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way this > information was handled and responded.by the members. Far from > answering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringing > in different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret events > post factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me advice > on the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless to > say that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person who > is recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two years > left and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. And > there are others who strongly support it as if they are hundred > percent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurus > as to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in the > whole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correct > prediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an event > post factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person which > has half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claim > infallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity. > I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which is > devoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested in > exhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner ever known. > Pran Razdan > > , " Jyotisa Shisya " > <achyutagaddi@> wrote: > > > > |om| > > Dear Pran, namaste > > > > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!! > Its what > > is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say in this > > matter. > > > > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I think > that it > > would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjaya mantra / > > Astakshari Narayana mantra. > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given me only two > > > more years of life. > > > Pran > > > > > > <%40>, > > > ramesh mishra > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pran Ji, > > > > You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012 > > > and Jul 2012. > > > > Hope you are recovering your health. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350; > > > & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405; > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar > > > > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at > > > least some more time. > > > > > > > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be taken out of > > > this world through heart failure. There is no disease or problem, but > > > you are now stretching towards the upper limit of your longevity as > > > your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier. > > > > > > > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement of Saturn > > > in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of > > > Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third from arudha > > > lagna making it quite malefic. > > > > > > > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting the trines to > > > it, making the time even more dangerous. > > > > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, and that is how > > > you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra in arudha lagna > > > will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karma performed that > > > Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's. > > > > > > > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya, > > > then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|. > > > > Looking forward to your reply. > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > -- > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > > > > email: visti@ > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji, > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night, With a > > > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two > > > > questions:- > > > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for > > > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened. > > > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate > > > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So > Neech > > > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat is proving > > > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm > > > > My birth particulars are > > > > DOB 4th June 1939 > > > > TOB 21:41;59 > > > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05 > > > > With regards, > > > > Pran Razdan > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2007 Dear Pran ji, Nameste,You are right Sir.I am aware of Articles written by Dr Charak and HE has beautifuly written about It under caption " Fifth house as the key to ill health" In part III he took up application of Heart disease,but later on there is diversion.The series is contnuing.Mr Tamiko Fischer has also talked about role of III house in disease of the heart. In fact I wanted to check By System analysis rules also your case but because here this list is for teachings of SJC , I did not post analysis. I am happy to see your determination and dedication that you are ready to undertake exploration still for Jaimini Test of Ayu khanda. I am sure you will succeed and educate us with your findings.To my understanding It works reasonably good if we apply teachings By Pdt Rath with mrityu gochar as taught in this parampra.Vriddhakarka method of house reckoning has worked better in my limited application. Wishing you good health and happiness. with regards. OM TAT SAT - pnrazdan Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:56 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack Dear Swami,Thanks for your comforting message. In fact I am not worried of deatheven if it comes two years from now, but what irks me is the claim ofinfallibility for something that is never fool proof. I once took asample of 100 dead persons to see how many of them died in the Marakadasha. Just 20 % only did so and all others in Rahu, 12th lord etc.etc. I shall do a similar study to see how many fulfil the Jaiminitest of Puran Ayu, Madhya ayu and alp ayu.Most of the time we find some way to interpret an event post factivelyso as to make astrology and ourselves unblemished. We never want toresearch as to why a straight interpretation has failed. This happenedin my case. While there is no astro combination to predict the heartattack, an effort was all the time made to interpret it in some wayleaving aside my question as to why the obvious configuration hasfailed to interpret it. There is some literature which relates fifthhouse too to heart problems. Recent issues of Vedic Astrology containa series of articles on this. This is something which can explain mydilemma.Rasi lagna is better in predicting bodily troubles than the Arudha lagna.RegardsP.N.Razdan , <swami wrote:>> Respectable Pran ji,> Nameste, in fact I was stunned by composition of first Mail byVISTI, his later clarification is in order.> No body has stated the astrological reason of attack but III from ALdoes indicate about circuimstances of death.> As analysis was based on it, I think Your logevity question has notbeen adequately handled but simple guess work is posted.> Please Relax as a vetran you know It is not easy to tell accuratlyabout death even by experts.> with best wishes and prayer for your speedy recovery. > OM TAT SAT> > - > pnrazdan > > Friday, September 21, 2007 1:51 PM> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > While I volunteered to put up my heart attack experience on the> website for the benefit of my astro colleagues, I am sorry to say> that, barring a few responses, I am frustrated at the way this> information was handled and responded.by the members. Far from> answering my questions, each interpreted it in his own way by bringing> in different theories, typical of neo astrologists to interpret events> post factively. The worst part is that some ventured to give me advice> on the years left in my life, something I never asked for. Needless to> say that it is highly unethical and impertinent to tell a person who> is recovering from a recent heart attack that he has only two years> left and that he should start reciting Maha mritiunjiya mantra. And> there are others who strongly support it as if they are hundred> percent sure of their prediction. I may ask of these so called gurus> as to which of their prediction has turned to be true. In fact in the> whole of the country there is nobody who can boast of a correct> prediction. We are all experts in fitting planets to justify an event> post factively. And least of all predicting the age of a person which> has half a dozen theories given by Parashara, Jaimini etc.To claim> infallibility in this is nothing but youthful immaturity.> I regret my mistake of putting out my story on this website which is> devoid of emotions, respectibility and realism but only interested in> exhibiting half knowledge of astrology in the crudest manner everknown. > Pran Razdan> > , "Jyotisa Shisya"> <achyutagaddi@> wrote:> >> > |om|> > Dear Pran, namaste> > > > A small correction: Visti hasnt given you two more years of life!!!> Its what> > is indicated in your horoscope and only God has the final say inthis> > matter.> > > > I havent seen your horoscope but based on Visti's analysis, I think> that it> > would be good to step up the daily practice of the Mrityunjayamantra /> > Astakshari Narayana mantra.> > > > best regards> > Hari> > > > > > > > On 9/21/07, pnrazdan <pnrazdan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ramesh,> > > I dont know whether I would be there since Visti has given meonly two> > > more years of life.> > > Pran> > >> > > <%40>,> > > ramesh mishra> > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pran Ji,> > > > You should pay special attention to your health during Mar 2012> > > and Jul 2012.> > > > Hope you are recovering your health.> > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > >> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> > > > & #2361; & #2352; & #2375; & #2352; & #2366; & #2350;> > > & #2325; & #2371; & #2359; & #2381; & #2339; & #2405;> > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar> > > > Thank God you recovered! We are happy to have you with us for at> > > least some more time.> > > >> > > > With Sun in the third from Arudha lagna, you will be takenout of> > > this world through heart failure. There is no disease orproblem, but> > > you are now stretching towards the upper limit of yourlongevity as> > > your are heading towards your the end of the middle-life barrier.> > > >> > > > The Vimshottari dasa was dangerous due to the placement ofSaturn> > > in the eighth from Pranapada lagna. Also the Shoola dasa of> > > Cancer-Cancer aspects both Sun and Mercury in the third fromarudha> > > lagna making it quite malefic.> > > >> > > > Your eighth lord is Moon, and the Sun was transiting thetrines to> > > it, making the time even more dangerous.> > > > Yet, the tithi was Panchami on the 1st of September, andthat is how> > > you cheated death this time, as that Jupiter in kendra inarudha lagna> > > will not let go easily. In fact due to much good karmaperformed that> > > Jupiter has protected your longevity up to at least your 70's.> > > >> > > > If you haven't already begun the recitation of the Mrityunjaya,> > > then this is the time. The beeja for meditation is om juuM saH|.> > > > Looking forward to your reply.> > > >> > > > Yours sincerely,> > > > --> > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark> > > > email: visti@> > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:> http://srigaruda.com> > > >> > > > pnrazdan wrote: Dear Visti ji,> > > > I had a heart attack on 1st of Sept 07 at 2 am in the night,With a> > > > stunt in my aretery,I am now getting back to normal. I have two> > > > questions:-> > > > 1. With a strong fourth house, a well placed Sun, the karaka for> > > > heart, I never expected a heart attack,. Why has it happened.> > > > 2. It happened in Sat- Sat-Mer-Ketu-Sat dasa, an appropriate> > > > combination with Sat at 4 degrees close to its natal reading. So> Neech> > > > Bhang of Sat in fifth house is not working at all and Sat isproving> > > > to be a strong malefic.Please confirm> > > > My birth particulars are> > > > DOB 4th June 1939> > > > TOB 21:41;59> > > > POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E 48 34N05> > > > With regards,> > > > Pran Razdan> > >> > > .> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Dear Ramesh, While going through archives i found these words written by Guru krushnaji. "Regarding health factor, we should consider the overall chart,combinations of difference planets. For each disease somecombinations are of main importance. This is different chapter, undermedical astrology. If the sixth lord is in 3rd house with 3rd lordwith more points, there is chances for diabetis. If sixth lord isSaturn, and is in 3rd house, indicates Asthama,( disease connected tolungs)Bronchitis etc. Sun,and 4th lord have any connection, if weakcan give heart problem." Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Bala, Harjeet and all, I am first in confusion whether 4th is for heart or 5th is considered for heart. Some astrologers say heart is seen from 4th and some opine from 5th house. Secondly who is the most beneficial planet who saved the native from mishap. First we should she whether heart attack is indicated in the chart or not. If it is so then when ? When the event like accident or any type of attack occurs, will then the native be saved ? After knowing the event we somehow try to prove it. But with this type of event which may cause threat to life, we should learn it the process thoroughly. This is the reason I put forward this chart before the forum so that we can learn taking help of the event occurred. At first sight we should confirm whether the heart is signified by 4th or 5th house. When we consider 7th for accident then what sort of accident will take place. Is it vehicular accident, or heart attack or accident due to bullet injury. As I think, I am not sure. For vehicular accident the 3rd house of journey should come into play.Likewise for heart attack may be 4th or 5th house involvement. For accident with bullet or attempt to murder might be the involvement of 6th house. After ascertaining the combination then we may proceed further for outcoming the result of nature of accident. Am I correct ? Ramesh Mishra"Anup. M" <dalh_1 > wrote: Dear Ramesh, I am attempting this one as per my little knowledge. Actually this revoloves arround house6th,7th and 8th in Sat antra. In Sat MD, results for 7th and 8th are expected. Beside this... One zero in 5th and 7th by Moon and Mars and one Zero in navamsa by Moon 1] heart attack in Sa-Sa 2] Heart attack as per 7th house and karka Saturn. 3] The native escaped as you write so this may be taken as 6th house,(house of disease) as houseB 4] The karka of 6th is Jup in 4th house with 5 pts, more prone to give event for 7th house. 5] On 1st Sept 2007 Sun was transiting in in 9th house, in leo,and 9 pts in 9th house by Sun.The problem was indicated as such. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Is it possible to get the original birth time from the native. Here it seems that the birth time has been rectified by someone. If possible, also find out if this time was original time or LMT. If also possible, if this native has his original birth chart scanned copy he can email it it will be good. If the birth time recorded was LMT and now converted to Standard time then there can be a difference of about 32 mins. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of ramesh mishra Thursday September 20, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Heart Attack Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Ash, I may try to get the original birth time if it is possible. The native is himself an astrologer so chances seem to be doubtful for incorrect birth time. However Donna has given a good write up on the subject of heart attack. She also confused me. She has written that 4th and 5th house both should be checked up but emphasized 4th house. I have gone through her write ups and it is with very nice illustrations . So many things to be clarified which I shall ask from her. Thanks and regards. Ramesh MishraAsh <kas wrote: Dear Ramesh, Is it possible to get the original birth time from the native. Here it seems that the birth time has been rectified by someone. If possible, also find out if this time was original time or LMT. If also possible, if this native has his original birth chart scanned copy he can email it it will be good. If the birth time recorded was LMT and now converted to Standard time then there can be a difference of about 32 mins. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of ramesh mishraThursday September 20, 2007 11:20 AM Re: Heart Attack Dear Ash, Anup, Bala and all, This is the chart of a male native who faced severe heart attack on 1 Sep 2007 and escaped from the mishap after getting medical aid. Now the native is normal and recovering. I like to learn from you on the subject that how will you approach with the help of KAS. How will you justify the event of heart attack. The birth details are DOB 4 Jun 1939, TOB 21:41:59 and POB- 34 N 5, 74 E 48. Do we consider 7th house because heart attack is also a sort of accident and it happens accidently. There must be some pre-indications for the cause of heart attack. Sun signifies heart so do we check up the status of Sun in the chart ? Besides all 4th house signifies HEART, so do we also consider 4th as B ? Now after that we should time the event The event took place in Sa- Sa. Sa will give its result of 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th house during its antara. Sa is FK of 7th and 8th.. How do we do that ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
