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> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

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> > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > > > Sukla

> > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information

on

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

> > in

> > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

nakshatra

> > > > being

> > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> > Cancer in

> > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger

than

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

> > Moon

> > > > had

> > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman

was

> > born.

> > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that

time

> > > > from

> > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during

Sri

> > > > Rama's

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

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> > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > > > days. I

> > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-

8

> > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-

10

> > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam

|| 1-

> > 18-11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > completion;

> > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

> > tataH=

> > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > > > tithau=

> > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > daivatye=

> > > > star

> > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > > > graheSu

> > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > > > indunaa

> > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

> > with;

> > > > pra

> > > > > > udyamane= when raising ï¿½ ascending, advancing daytime

ï¿½

> > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > lakshana

> > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > > > artham=

> > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> > blessed

> > > > one;

> > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

> > aksham=

> > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> > > > roseate,

> > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

> > putram=

> > > > the

> > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

Navami

> > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > > could

> > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

(own) or

> > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

there

> > are

> > > > five

> > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

> > refrain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

> > Saturn.

> > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

> > other

> > > > three

> > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

> > cancer

> > > > on a

> > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be

more

> > than

> > > > 108

> > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

pisces.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

> > pisces

> > > > or

> > > > > > aries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions

after

> > > > hearing

> > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 6, 2007

Lakshmi bahen,

You wrote:

>...Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar,

>with moon in lagna,

>lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc)

What are the combination of a Shiva Avataar?

Thakur might be a combined avataar if we apply a logic. His father

got the realisation from Vishnu temple in Gaya and mother actually

saw a pool of light entering her body from a small shiva shrine.

Hence the birth story of Thakur actually provides a 'antidote' for

the people who always try to belittle either Lord Vishnu or lord

Shiva. It is an eye opener which proves that Lord Vishnu and Lord

Shiva are not different.

sorry for deviating from the main topic.

Warm Regards

Utpal

sohamsa , " b_lakshmi_ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Thanks for your response and as usual it's very thought provoking.

>

> Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama's was born in Karka lagna and

> Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means around

15

> hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then counting

> forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

> Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

> Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...which is perfectly

> feasible.

>

> So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40 hour calculation to

> Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand...you must have

> meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If I

have

> overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can correct

> myself.

>

> 2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and Saturn,

> without any benefic intervention, is the classic " asatyavaadi

yoga " ...

> (ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations). Sun's exaltation could very

> well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

>

> Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from Sun for

> Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's chart.

You

> can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

>

> Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar, with moon in lagna,

> lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc) charts,

> you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th house by

> placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for dharma,

> their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's chart

Sun

> is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

>

> Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what Guruji said

in

> Almora.

>

> The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on the 9th

> house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no one

else

> can cause mistakes like the nodes.

>

> Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

> own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need not be

in

> 10H for this to happen:--))

>

> Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun could

be

> the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

> exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born in

the

> 12th month after conception.

>

> As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly used the

> term " Satya ParaakramaH " to describe Sri Rama (he also called

Bharata

> the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

> devotion to Truth.

>

> If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask Branka, i

> think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ??? ??? ??????

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > The only reference to 'the next day', i.e. the following

sunrise,

> comes

> > with the description of Laxman and Satrughna's birth. From this

the

> > assumption is that Bharata was born on the same day of Sri Rama.

> >

> > Astronomically, If we apply your assumption and say that Bharat

was

> born

> > the day after Rama, then 24+20 hours would pass. 20 hours is a

> maximum

> > which we could shorten down to 16 hours, therefore a total of 40

> hours

> > from Rama's birth to Bharata's. Even at the Moons slowest speed

of

> 10

> > degrees, 20 minutes the Moon would have traversed 17 degrees.

Even

> if

> > the Moon had been at the beginning of Cancer this movement of 17

> degrees

> > would put it straight into Asleesha nakshatra, and thats using

the

> > _slowest motion_ and _shortest possible time_ from Cancer to

Pisces

> (8

> > signs * 2 hours=16 hours).

> > So even that is not possible to justify Bharata's birth in

Pushya

> nakshatra.

> > In fact Bharata born on the same day as Rama, only a few hours

> after is

> > the best possible justification of his birth in Pushya nakshatra

> with

> > Pisces lagna.

> >

> > But, the following sunrise is only a few hours after when Laxman

> and

> > Satrughna are born, and being that the following sunrise had

Moon

> in

> > Aslesha nakshatra it is unlikely that Moon was in Pushya during

> Rama's

> > birth to begin with.

> >

> > Astrologically an exalted second lord would have given just as

nice

> > speech as the second lord joined exalted Venus. Yet, i find more

> > importantly that if we are indeed speaking of a Vishnu avatara's

> chart

> > then the ninth lord must be placed in the abhijit rasi from the

Sun.

> > That is, ninth lord Jupiter must be placed in the fourth from

the

> Sun.

> > Here Jupiter receives digbala and is also showing his major

karma

> as

> > this is the abhijit rasi.

> >

> > Similarly in Sri Krishna's chart, Saturn is the ninth lord and

> receives

> > digbala in the seventh, where it is also in the fourth from the

Sun

> and

> > therefore in Abhijit rasi... surely a dharma-avatara.

> >

> > How do you see 'love for dharma' in a chart?

> >

> > More so, with Sun in Pisces, what happened to the pitri-dosha

which

> > caused his father the great sorrow of having to send him away?

> Dasaratha

> > earned this bad karma due to having killed the son of another

> father.

> >

> > There are a few more important factors, such as simhasansa yoga

> (second

> > lord in tenth), without which he would not become the king of

> Ayodhya.

> > Rajya sambandha yoga of Rahu associated with that Sun in the

tenth

> > giving political power which is required for kings and

politicians

> alike.

> >

> > Now, without Sun exalted on the arudha lagna, the lord Mars

would

> surely

> > take over and all those martian qualities which you wanted to

avoid

> in

> > Lord Rama would have become ever more prominent. Then where is

the

> > greatness of the Surya-vamsa?

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > --

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> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is

> indeed

> > > true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born

at

> > > sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were

born on

> > > the very next day? I have not come across any such observation

in

> > > Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

> > >

> > > The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and

> Lakshmana

> > > and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had

checked

> and

> > > the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

> > >

> > > I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet &

> sattwik

> > > talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in such

> > > scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is

> conjunct

> > > Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in

> Martian

> > > sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any

benefic

> > > intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more

fiery

> and

> > > aggressive.

> > >

> > > Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma. The

> > > conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it

further.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>,

> > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than

starting

> > > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > > >

> > > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > > >

> > > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are

> said to

> > > be

> > > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from

Ramas

> > > birth.

> > > >

> > > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu

nakshatra, it

> > > means

> > > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

> until

> > > the

> > > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e.

this is

> > > the

> > > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

> Pisces

> > > lagna.

> > > >

> > > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15

> degrees

> > > in 24

> > > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore

after

> the

> > > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> > > traversed

> > > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya

nakshatra.

> > > >

> > > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra

is

> > > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > > >

> > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

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> > > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > >

> > > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

> elements).

> > > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama,

Pushya

> as the

> > > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

> Lakshmana and

> > > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

> others

> > > are

> > > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice

is

> to

> > > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

> > > nakshatra

> > > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > > >

> > > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

> > > certain

> > > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra

as

> the

> > > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he

would

> have

> > > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on

> Navami in

> > > > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly

that

> Sun

> > > is in

> > > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries

and

> > > hence

> > > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence

conclude

> that

> > > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be

at

> the

> > > end

> > > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn

and

> > > nodes

> > > > > are in exaltation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>

> > > <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > à¤¹à¤°à¥++ à¤°à¤¾à¤® à¤.à¥fà¤·à¥?à¤£à¥¥

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

> during

> > > > > Sukla

> > > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas

of

> > > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

> between

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information

> on

> > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

> nakshatra

> > > in

> > > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

> nakshatra

> > > > > being

> > > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> > > Cancer in

> > > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore

stronger

> than

> > > the

> > > > > Moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day

the

> > > Moon

> > > > > had

> > > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which

Lakshman

> was

> > > born.

> > > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during

that

> time

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

during

> Sri

> > > > > Rama's

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

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> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past

few

> > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-

18-

> 8

> > > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu

pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-

18-9

> > > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-

18-

> 10

> > > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi

svanam

> || 1-

> > > 18-11

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > > completion;

> > > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed

by;

> > > tataH=

> > > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

> naavamike

> > > > > tithau=

> > > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > > daivatye=

> > > > > star

> > > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

> panchasu

> > > > > graheSu

> > > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

> highest,

> > > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak

patiH

> > > > > indunaa

> > > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon,

along

> > > with;

> > > > > pra

> > > > > > > udyamane= when raising ï¿½ ascending, advancing

daytime

> ï¿½

> > > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> > > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > > lakshana

> > > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

> Vishnu's;

> > > > > artham=

> > > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> > > blessed

> > > > > one;

> > > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

lohita

> > > aksham=

> > > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

> oSTam=

> > > > > roseate,

> > > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama

as;

> > > putram=

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

> Navami

> > > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said

to be

> > > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

> Mercury

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

> (own) or

> > > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

> there

> > > are

> > > > > five

> > > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

popular

> > > refrain

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus

and

> > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter,

the

> > > other

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is

in

> > > cancer

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should

be

> more

> > > than

> > > > > 108

> > > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

> pisces.

> > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis-

aqua,

> > > pisces

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > aries.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary

positions

> after

> > > > > hearing

> > > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 6, 2007

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Utpal Bhai,

How are you? Happy Deepavali to all of you.

I think Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is a Vishnu avatar. His father

had a vision about Vishnu before Ramakrishna's birth and that's why

Thakur's real name was Gadadhar.

Apart from that i think tanother distinguishing feature of Vishnu

avatars is worship of Divine Mother. whether as Rama, Krishna or

Thakur, Vishnu always worshipped Divine Mother, as Durga, Katyayani,

Kali etc. I really don't know about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

There's also that quote from Sri Ramakrishna, saying that ... " He who

was Rama and Krishna is now Ramakrishna... " !

I consider Swami Vivekananda to be Shiva avatar. Vishnu and shiva are

both necessary for dharma as Sun and Jupiter are...so you always find

Shiva avatar in the story of Vishnu avatars..., like Hanuman in

Ramayana.

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

wrote:

>

> Lakshmi bahen,

>

> You wrote:

>

> >...Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar,

> >with moon in lagna,

> >lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc)

>

> What are the combination of a Shiva Avataar?

>

> Thakur might be a combined avataar if we apply a logic. His father

> got the realisation from Vishnu temple in Gaya and mother actually

> saw a pool of light entering her body from a small shiva shrine.

>

> Hence the birth story of Thakur actually provides a 'antidote' for

> the people who always try to belittle either Lord Vishnu or lord

> Shiva. It is an eye opener which proves that Lord Vishnu and Lord

> Shiva are not different.

>

> sorry for deviating from the main topic.

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Utpal

>

> sohamsa , " b_lakshmi_ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Thanks for your response and as usual it's very thought

provoking.

> >

> > Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama's was born in Karka lagna and

> > Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means around

> 15

> > hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then counting

> > forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

> > Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

> > Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...which is perfectly

> > feasible.

> >

> > So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40 hour calculation to

> > Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand...you must have

> > meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If I

> have

> > overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can correct

> > myself.

> >

> > 2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and Saturn,

> > without any benefic intervention, is the classic " asatyavaadi

> yoga " ...

> > (ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations). Sun's exaltation could very

> > well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

> >

> > Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from Sun

for

> > Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's chart.

> You

> > can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

> >

> > Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and Sri Ramakrishna

> > Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar, with moon in

lagna,

> > lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc) charts,

> > you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th house

by

> > placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for dharma,

> > their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's chart

> Sun

> > is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

> >

> > Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what Guruji said

> in

> > Almora.

> >

> > The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on the 9th

> > house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no one

> else

> > can cause mistakes like the nodes.

> >

> > Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

> > own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need not

be

> in

> > 10H for this to happen:--))

> >

> > Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun

could

> be

> > the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

> > exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born in

> the

> > 12th month after conception.

> >

> > As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly used

the

> > term " Satya ParaakramaH " to describe Sri Rama (he also called

> Bharata

> > the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

> > devotion to Truth.

> >

> > If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask Branka, i

> > think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > The only reference to 'the next day', i.e. the following

> sunrise,

> > comes

> > > with the description of Laxman and Satrughna's birth. From this

> the

> > > assumption is that Bharata was born on the same day of Sri Rama.

> > >

> > > Astronomically, If we apply your assumption and say that Bharat

> was

> > born

> > > the day after Rama, then 24+20 hours would pass. 20 hours is a

> > maximum

> > > which we could shorten down to 16 hours, therefore a total of

40

> > hours

> > > from Rama's birth to Bharata's. Even at the Moons slowest speed

> of

> > 10

> > > degrees, 20 minutes the Moon would have traversed 17 degrees.

> Even

> > if

> > > the Moon had been at the beginning of Cancer this movement of

17

> > degrees

> > > would put it straight into Asleesha nakshatra, and thats using

> the

> > > _slowest motion_ and _shortest possible time_ from Cancer to

> Pisces

> > (8

> > > signs * 2 hours=16 hours).

> > > So even that is not possible to justify Bharata's birth in

> Pushya

> > nakshatra.

> > > In fact Bharata born on the same day as Rama, only a few hours

> > after is

> > > the best possible justification of his birth in Pushya

nakshatra

> > with

> > > Pisces lagna.

> > >

> > > But, the following sunrise is only a few hours after when

Laxman

> > and

> > > Satrughna are born, and being that the following sunrise had

> Moon

> > in

> > > Aslesha nakshatra it is unlikely that Moon was in Pushya during

> > Rama's

> > > birth to begin with.

> > >

> > > Astrologically an exalted second lord would have given just as

> nice

> > > speech as the second lord joined exalted Venus. Yet, i find

more

> > > importantly that if we are indeed speaking of a Vishnu

avatara's

> > chart

> > > then the ninth lord must be placed in the abhijit rasi from the

> Sun.

> > > That is, ninth lord Jupiter must be placed in the fourth from

> the

> > Sun.

> > > Here Jupiter receives digbala and is also showing his major

> karma

> > as

> > > this is the abhijit rasi.

> > >

> > > Similarly in Sri Krishna's chart, Saturn is the ninth lord and

> > receives

> > > digbala in the seventh, where it is also in the fourth from the

> Sun

> > and

> > > therefore in Abhijit rasi... surely a dharma-avatara.

> > >

> > > How do you see 'love for dharma' in a chart?

> > >

> > > More so, with Sun in Pisces, what happened to the pitri-dosha

> which

> > > caused his father the great sorrow of having to send him away?

> > Dasaratha

> > > earned this bad karma due to having killed the son of another

> > father.

> > >

> > > There are a few more important factors, such as simhasansa yoga

> > (second

> > > lord in tenth), without which he would not become the king of

> > Ayodhya.

> > > Rajya sambandha yoga of Rahu associated with that Sun in the

> tenth

> > > giving political power which is required for kings and

> politicians

> > alike.

> > >

> > > Now, without Sun exalted on the arudha lagna, the lord Mars

> would

> > surely

> > > take over and all those martian qualities which you wanted to

> avoid

> > in

> > > Lord Rama would have become ever more prominent. Then where is

> the

> > > greatness of the Surya-vamsa?

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

> > > <http://srigaruda.com>

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is

> > indeed

> > > > true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were

born

> at

> > > > sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were

> born on

> > > > the very next day? I have not come across any such

observation

> in

> > > > Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

> > > >

> > > > The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and

> > Lakshmana

> > > > and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had

> checked

> > and

> > > > the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

> > > >

> > > > I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet &

> > sattwik

> > > > talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in

such

> > > > scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is

> > conjunct

> > > > Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in

> > Martian

> > > > sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any

> benefic

> > > > intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more

> fiery

> > and

> > > > aggressive.

> > > >

> > > > Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma.

The

> > > > conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it

> further.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than

> starting

> > > > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > > > >

> > > > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are

> > said to

> > > > be

> > > > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from

> Ramas

> > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu

> nakshatra, it

> > > > means

> > > > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of

Punarvasu

> > until

> > > > the

> > > > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e.

> this is

> > > > the

> > > > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

> > Pisces

> > > > lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15

> > degrees

> > > > in 24

> > > > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore

> after

> > the

> > > > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> > > > traversed

> > > > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya

> nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's

nakshatra

> is

> > > > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

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> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

> > elements).

> > > > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama,

> Pushya

> > as the

> > > > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

> > Lakshmana and

> > > > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

> > others

> > > > are

> > > > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard

practice

> is

> > to

> > > > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's

lagna

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed

in

> > > > certain

> > > > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra

> as

> > the

> > > > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he

> would

> > have

> > > > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on

> > Navami in

> > > > > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly

> that

> > Sun

> > > > is in

> > > > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in

Aries

> and

> > > > hence

> > > > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence

> conclude

> > that

> > > > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be

> at

> > the

> > > > end

> > > > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn

> and

> > > > nodes

> > > > > > are in exaltation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > 40>

> > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > à¤¹à¤°à¥++ à¤°à¤¾à¤® à¤.à¥fà¤·à¥?à¤£à¥¥

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in

Punarvasu

> > during

> > > > > > Sukla

> > > > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the

slokas

> of

> > > > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

> > between

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

> information

> > on

> > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

> > nakshatra

> > > > in

> > > > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

> > nakshatra

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna

in

> > > > Cancer in

> > > > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore

> stronger

> > than

> > > > the

> > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next

day

> the

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which

> Lakshman

> > was

> > > > born.

> > > > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during

> that

> > time

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

> during

> > Sri

> > > > > > Rama's

> > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > > > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the

past

> few

> > > > > > days. I

> > > > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau ||

1-

> 18-

> > 8

> > > > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu

> pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-

> 18-9

> > > > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam ||

1-

> 18-

> > 10

> > > > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi

> svanam

> > || 1-

> > > > 18-11

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > > > completion;

> > > > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well,

passed

> by;

> > > > tataH=

> > > > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

> > naavamike

> > > > > > tithau=

> > > > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > > > daivatye=

> > > > > > star

> > > > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

> > panchasu

> > > > > > graheSu

> > > > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

> > highest,

> > > > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak

> patiH

> > > > > > indunaa

> > > > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon,

> along

> > > > with;

> > > > > > pra

> > > > > > > > udyamane= when raising ï¿½ ascending, advancing

> daytime

> > ï¿½

> > > > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds',

lord

> > > > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > > > lakshana

> > > > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

> > Vishnu's;

> > > > > > artham=

> > > > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam=

greatly

> > > > blessed

> > > > > > one;

> > > > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

> lohita

> > > > aksham=

> > > > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

> > oSTam=

> > > > > > roseate,

> > > > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama

> as;

> > > > putram=

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are

clear:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

> > Navami

> > > > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said

> to be

> > > > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

> > Mercury

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

> > (own) or

> > > > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > five

> > > > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

> popular

> > > > refrain

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus

> and

> > > > Saturn.

> > > > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter,

> the

> > > > other

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is

> in

> > > > cancer

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should

> be

> > more

> > > > than

> > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

> > pisces.

> > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis-

> aqua,

> > > > pisces

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > aries.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary

> positions

> > after

> > > > > > hearing

> > > > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 6, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Thank you for your reply.

My comments to your points below.

Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama's

was born in Karka lagna and

Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means around 15

hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then counting

forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...which

is perfectly

feasible.

Visti: Yes, this is what Narasimha has proposed.

So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40

hour calculation to

Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand...you

must have

meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If I have

overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can correct

myself.

Visti: This is because in your previous mail you mentioned

that Rama was born on the first day, followed by Bharata on the second

day and the twins on the third day. Therefore i had to prove that

theory wrong.

2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and

Saturn,

without any benefic intervention, is the classic "asatyavaadi yoga"...

(ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations). Sun's

exaltation could very

well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

Visti: Kapata yoga is formed by planets in the lagna and

fourth house. With two strong satvic grahas in the lagna, there isn't

an untruthful bone in his body, but with Saturn in the fourth a great

disappointment has to be seen. Second lord can therefore easily be in

Aries.

Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from Sun for

Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's chart. You

can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

Visti: Do you think Sri Chaitanya is a Yuga avatara? He

surely is a Vishnu avatara, but...

Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and

Sri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu

avatar, with moon in lagna,

lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc) charts,

you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th house by

placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for dharma,

their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's chart Sun

is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

Visti: Also see the previous sloka in Sarvartha

Chintamani, viz. Sun in lagna with Jupiter and Saturn influencing the

ninth house in eka-amsa bhaga (same navamsa?) - birth of a Muni.

Further, the dictum for a yuga avatara must have i) moon

in lagna; ii) Jupiter, Sun and Mars must be in makara-amsa and

influence the ninth house. Therefore this dictum of having Sun

influencing the ninth house is applicable to navamsa, but not at all

necessary for rasi.

Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what

Guruji said in

Almora.

Visti: Guruji said that the ninth lord must have digbala

and also be placed in abhijit rasi. This is what i've been repeating.

The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on

the 9th

house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no one else

can cause mistakes like the nodes.

Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need not be in

10H for this to happen:--))

Visti: I disagree. Such a yoga is said to make one

mahipati or ksitipati. This means lord of earth and isn't directly

synonymous with occupying a throne (simhasana) but occupying vast

amount of land which many prominent businessmen do these days. You will

have to find a different justification for his simhasana yoga.

Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun could be

the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born in the

12th month after conception.

Visti: So is Sri Krishna also Surya avatara? His

atmakaraka is also Surya? How about Chaitanya whose atmakaraka was

Shani... is he then the Shani avatara? No, instead see that the two

Krishna/Chandra avataras have Atmakaraka in the fourth house (karaka

chandra).. therefore if anything then Rama's atmakaraka must be in

Lagna (karaka surya). This is further justified as Sri Krishna

established the Somanatha jyotirlinga - Exaltation of Moon, whilst Sri

Rama established the Rameshvara Jyotirlinga - Exaltation of Sun.

Sri Rama and his brothers were born in the 12th month

after the puja, not twelfth month after conception. This is perfectly

fine as they say the father begins to carry the seed for three months

before conception.

Further, how do you see the separation from family that

Sri Rama experienced if Surya is not in the first/seventh from Lagna/AL

and either exalted/debilitated. Sri Tathagatha avatara had to

experience the same karma when he left his family to renounce, and he

also had this combination in Aries for cancer lagna. Difference was

that Arudha lagna was in Libra. Also see Jiddu Krishnamurty's chart for

this yoga.

As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly used the

term "Satya ParaakramaH" to describe Sri Rama (he also called Bharata

the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

devotion to Truth.

If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask Branka, i

think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

Visti: I'm not sure we can use this as an example of 'love

for dharma'. Please give a real dictum for this otherwise we are just

inventing new principles.

To me there is no doubt that Sri Rama was born with Sun in Aries in

arudha lagna, and further in Deva Shastyamsa. Therefore the tradition

teaches the relevance of Sri Rama's lagna nakshatra vs. the chandra

nakshatra in defining the Janma nakshatra.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Visti,

Namaste.

Thanks for your response and as usual it's very thought provoking.

Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama's was born in Karka lagna and

Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means around 15

hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then counting

forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...which is perfectly

feasible.

So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40 hour calculation to

Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand...you must have

meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If I have

overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can correct

myself.

2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and Saturn,

without any benefic intervention, is the classic "asatyavaadi yoga"...

(ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations). Sun's exaltation could very

well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from Sun for

Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's chart. You

can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and Sri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar, with moon in lagna,

lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc) charts,

you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th house by

placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for dharma,

their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's chart Sun

is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what Guruji said in

Almora.

The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on the 9th

house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no one else

can cause mistakes like the nodes.

Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need not be in

10H for this to happen:--))

Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun could be

the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born in the

12th month after conception.

As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly used the

term "Satya ParaakramaH" to describe Sri Rama (he also called Bharata

the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

devotion to Truth.

If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask Branka, i

think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> The only reference to 'the next day', i.e. the following sunrise,

comes

> with the description of Laxman and Satrughna's birth. From this

the

> assumption is that Bharata was born on the same day of Sri Rama.

>

> Astronomically, If we apply your assumption and say that Bharat

was

born

> the day after Rama, then 24+20 hours would pass. 20 hours is a

maximum

> which we could shorten down to 16 hours, therefore a total of 40

hours

> from Rama's birth to Bharata's. Even at the Moons slowest speed of

10

> degrees, 20 minutes the Moon would have traversed 17 degrees. Even

if

> the Moon had been at the beginning of Cancer this movement of 17

degrees

> would put it straight into Asleesha nakshatra, and thats using the

> _slowest motion_ and _shortest possible time_ from Cancer to

Pisces

(8

> signs * 2 hours=16 hours).

> So even that is not possible to justify Bharata's birth in Pushya

nakshatra.

> In fact Bharata born on the same day as Rama, only a few hours

after is

> the best possible justification of his birth in Pushya nakshatra

with

> Pisces lagna.

>

> But, the following sunrise is only a few hours after when Laxman

and

> Satrughna are born, and being that the following sunrise had Moon

in

> Aslesha nakshatra it is unlikely that Moon was in Pushya during

Rama's

> birth to begin with.

>

> Astrologically an exalted second lord would have given just as

nice

> speech as the second lord joined exalted Venus. Yet, i find more

> importantly that if we are indeed speaking of a Vishnu avatara's

chart

> then the ninth lord must be placed in the abhijit rasi from the

Sun.

> That is, ninth lord Jupiter must be placed in the fourth from the

Sun.

> Here Jupiter receives digbala and is also showing his major karma

as

> this is the abhijit rasi.

>

> Similarly in Sri Krishna's chart, Saturn is the ninth lord and

receives

> digbala in the seventh, where it is also in the fourth from the

Sun

and

> therefore in Abhijit rasi... surely a dharma-avatara.

>

> How do you see 'love for dharma' in a chart?

>

> More so, with Sun in Pisces, what happened to the pitri-dosha

which

> caused his father the great sorrow of having to send him away?

Dasaratha

> earned this bad karma due to having killed the son of another

father.

>

> There are a few more important factors, such as simhasansa yoga

(second

> lord in tenth), without which he would not become the king of

Ayodhya.

> Rajya sambandha yoga of Rahu associated with that Sun in the tenth

> giving political power which is required for kings and politicians

alike.

>

> Now, without Sun exalted on the arudha lagna, the lord Mars would

surely

> take over and all those martian qualities which you wanted to

avoid

in

> Lord Rama would have become ever more prominent. Then where is the

> greatness of the Surya-vamsa?

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is

indeed

> > true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were

born at

> > sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were

born on

> > the very next day? I have not come across any such

observation in

> > Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

> >

> > The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and

Lakshmana

> > and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had

checked

and

> > the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

> >

> > I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet

&

sattwik

> > talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in

such

> > scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is

conjunct

> > Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in

Martian

> > sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any

benefic

> > intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far

more fiery

and

> > aggressive.

> >

> > Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma.

The

> > conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it

further.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than

starting

> > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > >

> > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > >

> > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they

are

said to

> > be

> > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau)

from Ramas

> > birth.

> > >

> > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu

nakshatra, it

> > means

> > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of

Punarvasu

until

> > the

> > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e.

this is

> > the

> > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end

of

Pisces

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately

15

degrees

> > in 24

> > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible.

Therefore after

the

> > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would

have

> > traversed

> > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya

nakshatra.

> > >

> > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's

nakshatra is

> > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

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> > > <http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra

(panchanga

elements).

> > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of

Rama, Pushya

as the

> > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra

of

Lakshmana and

> > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna

nakshatra and

others

> > are

> > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > >

> > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard

practice is

to

> > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen

anybody's lagna

> > nakshatra

> > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the

seed in

> > certain

> > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna

nakshatra as

the

> > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that,

he would

have

> > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying

"born on

Navami in

> > > > Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even indicate

clearly that

Sun

> > is in

> > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is

in Aries and

> > hence

> > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence

conclude

that

> > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > >

> > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun

can be at

the

> > end

> > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars,

Saturn and

> > nodes

> > > > are in exaltation.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > à¤¹à¤°à¥++ à¤°à¤¾à¤® à¤.à¥fà¤·à¥?à¤£à¥¥

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in

Punarvasu

during

> > > > Sukla

> > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove

the slokas of

> > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the

stronger

between

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information

on

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or

Asleesha

nakshatra

> > in

> > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the

Lagna-

nakshatra

> > > > being

> > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being

that Lagna in

> > Cancer in

> > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and

therefore stronger

than

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is further substantiated being that on

the next day the

> > Moon

> > > > had

> > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during

which Lakshman

was

> > born.

> > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast

during that

time

> > > > from

> > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in

Pushya during

Sri

> > > > Rama's

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles

visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

<http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama

for the past few

> > > > days. I

> > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT

samatyayuH |

> > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre

naavamike tithau || 1-18-

8

> > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha

sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa

i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka

namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa

sa.myutam || 1-18-

10

> > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram

aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam

du.ndubhi svanam

|| 1-

> > 18-11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte=

then, ritual, on

> > completion;

> > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six,

well, passed by;

> > tataH=

> > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month;

chaitre

naavamike

> > > > tithau=

> > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day;

nakshatre aditi

> > daivatye=

> > > > star

> > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding

is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > > > graheSu

> > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets,

in their own,

highest,

> > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of

Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > > > indunaa

> > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is

[with] Moon, along

> > with;

> > > > pra

> > > > > > udyamane= when raising ï¿½ ascending,

advancing daytime

ï¿½

> > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham=

worlds', lord

> > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds,

adored; divya

> > lakshana

> > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with;

viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > > > artham=

> > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

bhaagam= greatly

> > blessed

> > > > one;

> > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,

delight of; lohita

> > aksham=

> > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy,

armed; rakta

oSTam=

> > > > roseate,

> > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced;

raamam= Rama as;

> > putram=

> > > > the

> > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the

following are clear:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on

the tithi of

Navami

> > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu

nakshatra

> > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following two points are to be

discussed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is

there is said to be

> > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is

Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > > could

> > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are

either in swa

(own) or

> > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not

be taken that

there

> > are

> > > > five

> > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which

seems to be popular

> > refrain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars,

Jupiter, Venus and

> > Saturn.

> > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon

and Jupiter, the

> > other

> > > > three

> > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by

discussion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation

when Moon is in

> > cancer

> > > > on a

> > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and

sun should be

more

> > than

> > > > 108

> > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can

be fixed to

pisces.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by

three rasis- aqua,

> > pisces

> > > > or

> > > > > > aries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of

planetary positions

after

> > > > hearing

> > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 6, 2007

Dear Ms Margaret

I havent done any research on astronomical positions w.r to this

chart.

The suggestion given by you has six planets in own exalted.Thus even

if Sun is considered to be in Pisces,it will meet the condition

without including Rahu/Ketu.

Jup/Moon/Saturn/Mars/Ve.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> In September the British Association of Vedic Astrologers

discussed Rama's chart and Krsn'a chart during an international

conference call.

> Rama's chart was suggested to be Jup/Mon Cancer lagna, Sun Merucry

tenth house, Venus eleventh, Saturn fourth, Mars tenth, Rahu sixth

house.

> best wishes

> M

>

> -

> kishore patnaik

> vedic astrology ;

;

Astro_Remedies ; ;

lalkitab ; naastrology ; SJC-

Africa ; ;

sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad

> Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:24 AM

> Horoscope of Lord Rama

>

> Dear all,

>

> I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.

I am

> giving below the slokas connected with

> the birth :

>

> tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-

11

>

> 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion; R^ituuNaam

> SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe

> maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

> [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the

day

> [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa

uccha

> samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;

karkaTe

> lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

> [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when

raising ï¿½

> ascending, advancing daytime ï¿½ abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen

Kausalya;

> jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam=

by all,

> worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes,

along with;

> viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

bhaagam=

> greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,

delight of;

> lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta oSTam=

> roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama

as; putram=

> the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

>

> if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

>

> 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> 3. The lagna is Cancer

> 4. Moon is in lagna

>

> The following two points are to be discussed.

>

> 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

vakpati. Is it

> Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could

not be

> with Moon on a Navami day.

>

> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted)

> positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets

which are in

> exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

>

> 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

While the

> sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three

planets places

> can be fixed only by discussion

>

> 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer

on a navami

> day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees.

> hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of

> mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

>

> Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

hearing from

> all of you.

>

> with best regards,

>

> kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

>

November 6, 2007

Hi Pradeep

It was Andrew Foss who did the research for the chart I understand, we discussed

it as a group and it came out in the interpretation as a fairly reasonable chart

for such an icon of history.

We actually looked at the chart on my original vedic astrology course. It's very

interesting to interpret knowing as little as we do about the actual dates of

life and times of such a person.

best wishes

M

-

vijayadas_pradeep

Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:33 AM

Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama

Dear Ms Margaret

I havent done any research on astronomical positions w.r to this

chart.

The suggestion given by you has six planets in own exalted.Thus even

if Sun is considered to be in Pisces,it will meet the condition

without including Rahu/Ketu.

Jup/Moon/Saturn/Mars/Ve.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> In September the British Association of Vedic Astrologers

discussed Rama's chart and Krsn'a chart during an international

conference call.

> Rama's chart was suggested to be Jup/Mon Cancer lagna, Sun Merucry

tenth house, Venus eleventh, Saturn fourth, Mars tenth, Rahu sixth

house.

> best wishes

> M

>

> -

> kishore patnaik

> vedic astrology ;

;

Astro_Remedies ; ;

lalkitab ; naastrology ; SJC-

Africa ; ;

sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad

> Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:24 AM

> Horoscope of Lord Rama

>

> Dear all,

>

> I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.

I am

> giving below the slokas connected with

> the birth :

>

> tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-

11

>

> 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion; R^ituuNaam

> SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe

> maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

> [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the

day

> [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa

uccha

> samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;

karkaTe

> lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

> [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when

raising ï¿½

> ascending, advancing daytime ï¿½ abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen

Kausalya;

> jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam=

by all,

> worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes,

along with;

> viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

bhaagam=

> greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,

delight of;

> lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta oSTam=

> roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama

as; putram=

> the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

>

> if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

>

> 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> 3. The lagna is Cancer

> 4. Moon is in lagna

>

> The following two points are to be discussed.

>

> 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

vakpati. Is it

> Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could

not be

> with Moon on a Navami day.

>

> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted)

> positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets

which are in

> exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

>

> 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

While the

> sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three

planets places

> can be fixed only by discussion

>

> 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer

on a navami

> day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees.

> hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of

> mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

>

> Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

hearing from

> all of you.

>

> with best regards,

>

> kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

>

November 7, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Each house has a 'main' karaka. These dominate over the other

karakatvas of the house and should be worshiped to perform the

'utkilaka' or unlocking of the house and its effects. Therefore AK must

be either Moon or Jupiter. Since Sri Rama is a yuga avatara his ninth

lord Jupiter MUST be in Capricorn navamsa (just like Sri Krishna) and

therefore be in the seventh navamsa. It can therefore be a contender

for atmakaraka.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear visti,

Just happened to read your mail.

>Visti: So is Sri Krishna also Surya avatara? His atmakaraka is also

Surya? How about Chaitanya whose atmakaraka was Shani... is he then

the Shani avatara? No, instead see that the two Krishna/Chandra

avataras have Atmakaraka in the fourth house (karaka chandra)..

therefore if anything then Rama's atmakaraka must be in Lagna (karaka

surya). This is further justified as Sri Krishna established the

Somanatha jyotirlinga - Exaltation of Moon, whilst Sri Rama

established the Rameshvara Jyotirlinga - Exaltation of Sun.

Surya is a karaka for 1,9,10. So why the AK of Ram cannot be one of

Ve,Ju,Mo?

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Thank you for your reply.

> My comments to your points below.

>

> /Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama'//s was born in Karka lagna

and

> Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means around 15

> hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then counting

> forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

> Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

> Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...//which is

perfectly

> feasible.

> /*

> Visti: Yes, this is what Narasimha has proposed.

>

> */So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40 hour calculation to

> Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand..//.you

must have

> meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If I

have

> overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can correct

> myself.

> /

>

> *Visti: This is because in your previous mail you mentioned that

Rama

> was born on the first day, followed by Bharata on the second day

and

the

> twins on the third day. Therefore i had to prove that theory wrong.

> *

>

> /2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and Saturn,

> without any benefic intervention, is the classic "asatyavaadi

yoga"...

> (ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations)//. Sun's exaltation

could very

> well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

> /

>

> *Visti: Kapata yoga is formed by planets in the lagna and fourth

house.

> With two strong satvic grahas in the lagna, there isn't an

untruthful

> bone in his body, but with Saturn in the fourth a great

disappointment

> has to be seen. Second lord can therefore easily be in Aries.*

> /

> Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from Sun for

> Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's chart.

You

> can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

> /

>

> *Visti: Do you think Sri Chaitanya is a Yuga avatara? He surely is

a

> Vishnu avatara, but...

>

> */Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa'//s (I consider him a vishnu avatar, with moon in

lagna,

> lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc) charts,

> you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th house by

> placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for dharma,

> their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's chart

Sun

> is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

> /

>

> *Visti: Also see the previous sloka in Sarvartha Chintamani, viz.

Sun in

> lagna with Jupiter and Saturn influencing the ninth house in

eka-amsa

> bhaga (same navamsa?) - birth of a Muni.

> *

>

> *Further, the dictum for a yuga avatara must have i) moon in

lagna; ii)

> Jupiter, Sun and Mars must be in makara-amsa and influence the

ninth

> house. Therefore this dictum of having Sun influencing the ninth

house

> is applicable to navamsa, but not at all necessary for rasi.

>

> *

>

> /Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what Guruji said

in

> Almora.

> /

>

> *Visti: Guruji said that the ninth lord must have digbala and also

be

> placed in abhijit rasi. This is what i've been repeating.

> *

>

> /The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on the 9th

> house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no one

else

> can cause mistakes like the nodes.

>

> Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

> own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need not be

in

> 10H for this to happen:--))/

>

> *Visti: I disagree. Such a yoga is said to make one mahipati or

> ksitipati. This means lord of earth and isn't directly synonymous

with

> occupying a throne (simhasana) but occupying vast amount of land

which

> many prominent businessmen do these days. You will have to find a

> different justification for his simhasana yoga.

> */

> Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun could

be

> the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

> exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born in

the

> 12th month after conception.

> /

>

> *Visti: So is Sri Krishna also Surya avatara? His atmakaraka is

also

> Surya? How about Chaitanya whose atmakaraka was Shani... is he

then the

> Shani avatara? No, instead see that the two Krishna/Chandra

avataras

> have Atmakaraka in the fourth house (karaka chandra).. therefore

if

> anything then Rama's atmakaraka must be in Lagna (karaka surya).

This is

> further justified as Sri Krishna established the Somanatha

jyotirlinga -

> Exaltation of Moon, whilst Sri Rama established the Rameshvara

> Jyotirlinga - Exaltation of Sun.

> *

>

> *Sri Rama and his brothers were born in the 12th month after the

puja,

> not twelfth month after conception. This is perfectly fine as they

say

> the father begins to carry the seed for three months before

conception.

> *

>

> *Further, how do you see the separation from family that Sri Rama

> experienced if Surya is not in the first/seventh from Lagna/AL and

> either exalted/debilitated. Sri Tathagatha avatara had to

experience

the

> same karma when he left his family to renounce, and he also had

this

> combination in Aries for cancer lagna. Difference was that Arudha

lagna

> was in Libra. Also see Jiddu Krishnamurty's chart for this

yoga.*

> /

> As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly used the

> term "Satya ParaakramaH" to describe Sri Rama (he also called

Bharata

> the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

> devotion to Truth.

>

> If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask Branka, i

> think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

> /

>

> *Visti: I'm not sure we can use this as an example of 'love for

dharma'.

> Please give a real dictum for this otherwise we are just inventing

new

> principles.

> To me there is no doubt that Sri Rama was born with Sun in Aries

in

> arudha lagna, and further in Deva Shastyamsa. Therefore the

tradition

> teaches the relevance of Sri Rama's lagna nakshatra vs. the

chandra

> nakshatra in defining the Janma nakshatra.

> *

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

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> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

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> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Thanks for your response and as usual it's very thought

provoking.

> >

> > Coming to Bharata's birth...Rama's was born in Karka

lagna and

> > Bharata was born in Meena lagna, vide Valmiki. That means

around 15

> > hours from Rama's birth. If Rama was born at noon, then

counting

> > forward it would be early hours of next day, in Pushyami, that

> > Bharata would be born. On the next day morning, Lakshmana and

> > Shatrughna were born in Aasresha nakshatra...which is

perfectly

> > feasible.

> >

> > So, I am at a loss to understand about the 40 hour

calculation to

> > Bharata's birth!! honestly, i tried to understand...you

must have

> > meant around 40 hours to Lakshmana and shatrughna's birth. If

I have

> > overlooked something, please let me know, so that i can

correct

> > myself.

> >

>

> >

> > 2nd lord in martian houses and associated with Mars and

Saturn,

> > without any benefic intervention, is the classic "asatyavaadi

yoga"...

> > (ref: B.V. Raman's 300 combinations). Sun's exaltation

could very

> > well give brilliant speech, but not truthful speech.

> >

> > Further, talking about 9th lord being Abhijit rasi in from

Sun for

> > Vishnu avatars ...I think it's there only in Sri Krishna's

chart. You

> > can't find it in Sri Chaitanya's chart.

> >

> > Whereas from Sri Krishna's, Sri Chaitanya's and Sri

Ramakrishna

> > Paramahamsa's (I consider him a vishnu avatar, with moon

in lagna,

> > lagna lord in Devaloka amsa in 9H, 9th lord exalted etc)

charts,

> > you'd find that Sun and Jupiter jointly influence the 9th

house by

> > placement, lordship or rasi/graha drishti. As Karakas for

dharma,

> > their influence is pivotal for Dharma sthana. If in Rama's

chart Sun

> > is in aries, I don't think this condition is fulfilled.

> >

> > Btw, Sun in 9H also has digbala..i think that's what Guruji

said in

> > Almora.

> >

> > The pitri dosha could be caused by the nodal aspects on the

9th

> > house. The dosha was caused by Dasaratha's mistake...and no

one else

> > can cause mistakes like the nodes.

> >

> > Visti, I am sure you very well know that five planets in

> > own/exaltation is a yoga for a King of Kings! 2nd lord need

not be in

> > 10H for this to happen:--))

> >

> > Sri Rama is definitely Surya avatara...as Narasimha says Sun

could be

> > the AK. If you draw the adhana chakra, perhaps you'd find Sun

> > exalted in Aries, because valmiki said that Sri Rama was born

in the

> > 12th month after conception.

> >

> > As for paraakrama, you'd find sage valmiki had repeatedly

used the

> > term "Satya ParaakramaH" to describe Sri Rama (he also called

Bharata

> > the same some times). Sri Rama's valour stemmed from His great

> > devotion to Truth.

> >

> > If you want to know about love for Dharma...better ask

Branka, i

> > think she also has Sun in 9th:--))

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > The only reference to 'the next day', i.e. the following

sunrise,

> > comes

> > > with the description of Laxman and Satrughna's birth.

From this the

> > > assumption is that Bharata was born on the same day of

Sri Rama.

> > >

> > > Astronomically, If we apply your assumption and say that

Bharat was

> > born

> > > the day after Rama, then 24+20 hours would pass. 20

hours is a

> > maximum

> > > which we could shorten down to 16 hours, therefore a

total of 40

> > hours

> > > from Rama's birth to Bharata's. Even at the Moons

slowest speed of

> > 10

> > > degrees, 20 minutes the Moon would have traversed 17

degrees. Even

> > if

> > > the Moon had been at the beginning of Cancer this

movement of 17

> > degrees

> > > would put it straight into Asleesha nakshatra, and thats

using the

> > > _slowest motion_ and _shortest possible time_ from

Cancer to Pisces

> > (8

> > > signs * 2 hours=16 hours).

> > > So even that is not possible to justify Bharata's birth

in Pushya

> > nakshatra.

> > > In fact Bharata born on the same day as Rama, only a few

hours

> > after is

> > > the best possible justification of his birth in Pushya

nakshatra

> > with

> > > Pisces lagna.

> > >

> > > But, the following sunrise is only a few hours after

when Laxman

> > and

> > > Satrughna are born, and being that the following sunrise

had Moon

> > in

> > > Aslesha nakshatra it is unlikely that Moon was in Pushya

during

> > Rama's

> > > birth to begin with.

> > >

> > > Astrologically an exalted second lord would have given

just as nice

> > > speech as the second lord joined exalted Venus. Yet, i

find more

> > > importantly that if we are indeed speaking of a Vishnu

avatara's

> > chart

> > > then the ninth lord must be placed in the abhijit rasi

from the Sun.

> > > That is, ninth lord Jupiter must be placed in the fourth

from the

> > Sun.

> > > Here Jupiter receives digbala and is also showing his

major karma

> > as

> > > this is the abhijit rasi.

> > >

> > > Similarly in Sri Krishna's chart, Saturn is the ninth

lord and

> > receives

> > > digbala in the seventh, where it is also in the fourth

from the Sun

> > and

> > > therefore in Abhijit rasi... surely a dharma-avatara.

> > >

> > > How do you see 'love for dharma' in a chart?

> > >

> > > More so, with Sun in Pisces, what happened to the

pitri-dosha which

> > > caused his father the great sorrow of having to send him

away?

> > Dasaratha

> > > earned this bad karma due to having killed the son of

another

> > father.

> > >

> > > There are a few more important factors, such as

simhasansa yoga

> > (second

> > > lord in tenth), without which he would not become the

king of

> > Ayodhya.

> > > Rajya sambandha yoga of Rahu associated with that Sun in

the tenth

> > > giving political power which is required for kings and

politicians

> > alike.

> > >

> > > Now, without Sun exalted on the arudha lagna, the lord

Mars would

> > surely

> > > take over and all those martian qualities which you

wanted to avoid

> > in

> > > Lord Rama would have become ever more prominent. Then

where is the

> > > greatness of the Surya-vamsa?

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

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> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to

Narasimha. It is

> > indeed

> > > > true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born at

> > > > sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born on

> > > > the very next day? I have not come across any such

observation in

> > > > Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed

it out.

> > > >

> > > > The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next

day and

> > Lakshmana

> > > > and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I

had checked

> > and

> > > > the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that

time.

> > > >

> > > > I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's

sweet &

> > sattwik

> > > > talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd

lord in such

> > > > scenario, would be disposited and aspected by

Jupiter and is

> > conjunct

> > > > Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted,

would be in

> > Martian

> > > > sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and

Saturn...without any benefic

> > > > intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound

to be far more fiery

> > and

> > > > aggressive.

> > > >

> > > > Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for

Dharma. The

> > > > conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only

deepen it further.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much

more than starting

> > > > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > > > >

> > > > > When describing the birth of Laxman and

Satrughna, they are

> > said to

> > > > be

> > > > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite

ravau) from Ramas

> > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in

Punarvasu nakshatra, it

> > > > means

> > > > > that the Moon would have traversed from the

end of Punarvasu

> > until

> > > > the

> > > > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20

hours, i.e. this is

> > > > the

> > > > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna

till the end of

> > Pisces

> > > > lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse

approximately 15

> > degrees

> > > > in 24

> > > > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed

possible. Therefore after

> > the

> > > > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the

Moon would have

> > > > traversed

> > > > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering

Pushya nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that

Rama's nakshatra is

> > > > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

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> > > > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The verse mentions the tithi and

nakshatra (panchanga

> > elements).

> > > > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the

nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

> > as the

> > > > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the

nakshatra of

> > Lakshmana and

> > > > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is

lagna nakshatra and

> > others

> > > > are

> > > > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the

standard practice is

> > to

> > > > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never

seen anybody's lagna

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other

scripture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking

lagna as the seed in

> > > > certain

> > > > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the

lagna nakshatra as

> > the

> > > > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki

did that, he would

> > have

> > > > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just

saying "born on

> > Navami in

> > > > > > Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even

indicate clearly that

> > Sun

> > > > is in

> > > > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess

that Sun is in Aries and

> > > > hence

> > > > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

and hence conclude

> > that

> > > > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to

Aries. Sun can be at

> > the

> > > > end

> > > > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while

Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

> > > > nodes

> > > > > > are in exaltation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

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> > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%

> > 40>

> > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > à¤¹à¤°à¥++ à¤°à¤¾à¤®

à¤.à¥fà¤·à¥?à¤£à¥¥

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon

cannot be in Punarvasu

> > during

> > > > > > Sukla

> > > > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example

to prove the slokas of

> > > > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends

among the stronger

> > between

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya

Jatakam for more information

> > on

> > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This would likely put the Moon in

Pushya or Asleesha

> > nakshatra

> > > > in

> > > > > > > actuality, and instead the reference

is to the Lagna-

> > nakshatra

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is

justified being that Lagna in

> > > > Cancer in

> > > > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama

and therefore stronger

> > than

> > > > the

> > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is further substantiated being

that on the next day the

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra

during which Lakshman

> > was

> > > > born.

> > > > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved

unusually fast during that

> > time

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was

likely in Pushya during

> > Sri

> > > > > > Rama's

> > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

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