horoscope of lord rama

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हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Kishore, Namaskar

Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during Sukla

Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

Satyacharya. I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between Moon and Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on this.

 

This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra in

actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra being

Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in Cancer in

Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than the Moon.

 

This is further substantiated being that on the next day the Moon

had actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was born.

Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time from

Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri Rama's

birth.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

kishore patnaik wrote:

 

 

 Dear all,

 

 I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.  I am

giving below the slokas connected with

the birth :

 

 

tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH

|

 

tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then,

ritual, on completion;

R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe maase=

in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month [April-May],

ninth, day;

nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding

is] Aditi;

panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest, positing;

karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

[Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �

ascending, advancing

daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham=

worlds', lord

[Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana samyutam=

divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of

[not half of Vishnu];

mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku

dynasty, delight of;

lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam= roseate, lips;

dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= the son;

ajanayat= gave birth.

 

 

 

if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

 

1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

3. The lagna is Cancer

4. Moon is in lagna

 

The following two points are to be discussed.

 

1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is

it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously,  he is Jupiter  since Mercury could

not be with Moon on a Navami day.

 

2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five

planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

 

3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.  While

the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets

places can be fixed only by discussion 

 

4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a

navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

 

 

Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing

from all of you.

 

with best regards,

 

kishore patnaik

98492 70729

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti, Really wonderful reply- knowledgeable and balanced. I am working on it. best regards, Kishore patnaik On Nov 4, 2007 3:11 PM, Visti Larsen <

visti wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Kishore, Namaskar

Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during Sukla

Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

Satyacharya. I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between Moon and Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on this.

 

This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra in

actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra being

Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in Cancer in

Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than the Moon.

 

This is further substantiated being that on the next day the Moon

had actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was born.

Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time from

Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri Rama's

birth.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

kishore patnaik wrote:

 

 

Dear all,

 

I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am

giving below the slokas connected with

the birth :

 

 

tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH

|

 

tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then,

ritual, on completion;

R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe maase=

in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month [April-May],

ninth, day;

nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding

is] Aditi;

panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest, positing;

karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

[Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �

ascending, advancing

daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham=

worlds', lord

[Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana samyutam=

divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of

[not half of Vishnu];

mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku

dynasty, delight of;

lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam= roseate, lips;

dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= the son;

ajanayat= gave birth.

 

 

 

if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

 

1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

3. The lagna is Cancer

4. Moon is in lagna

 

The following two points are to be discussed.

 

1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is

it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could

not be with Moon on a Navami day.

 

2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five

planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

 

3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While

the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets

places can be fixed only by discussion

 

4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a

navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

 

 

Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing

from all of you.

 

with best regards,

 

kishore patnaik

98492 70729

 

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Kishore, Namaskar

Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during Sukla

Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

Satyacharya. I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between Moon and Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on this.

 

This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra in

actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra being

Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in Cancer in

Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than the Moon.

 

This is further substantiated being that on the next day the Moon

had actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was born.

Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time from

Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri Rama's

birth.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

kishore patnaik wrote:

 

 

 Dear all,

 

 I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.  I am

giving below the slokas connected with

the birth :

 

 

tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH

|

 

tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then,

ritual, on completion;

R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe maase=

in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month [April-May],

ninth, day;

nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding

is] Aditi;

panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest, positing;

karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

[Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �

ascending, advancing

daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham=

worlds', lord

[Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana samyutam=

divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of

[not half of Vishnu];

mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku

dynasty, delight of;

lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam= roseate, lips;

dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= the son;

ajanayat= gave birth.

 

 

 

if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

 

1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

3. The lagna is Cancer

4. Moon is in lagna

 

The following two points are to be discussed.

 

1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is

it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously,  he is Jupiter  since Mercury could

not be with Moon on a Navami day.

 

2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five

planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

 

3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.  While

the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets

places can be fixed only by discussion 

 

4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a

navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

 

 

Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing

from all of you.

 

with best regards,

 

kishore patnaik

98492 70729

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patanaik,

> The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees.

There could be some error in your calculation. Ashtami means 12 x 8 =

96 degrees. Dasmi starts with 108 degrees. Navmi is between 96 degrees

and 108 degrees.

Why is it that the birth took as long as 12 months? Is it that the

avatars takes longer time to take birth? The learned scholers like

Narasimha ji who can say that he himself is a good scholar will clarify

my doubt, I hope.

Vijaya raghavan guruvayur

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I

am

> giving below the slokas connected with

> the birth :

>

> tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

>

> 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;

R^ituuNaam

> SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe

> maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

> [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day

> [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha

> samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe

> lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's,

Lord

> [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising

�

> ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen

Kausalya;

> jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by

all,

> worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along

with;

> viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

bhaagam=

> greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight

of;

> lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

>

>

> if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

>

> 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> 3. The lagna is Cancer

> 4. Moon is in lagna

>

> The following two points are to be discussed.

>

> 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is

it

> Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not

be

> with Moon on a Navami day.

>

> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha(exalted)

> positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which

are in

> exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

>

> 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

While the

> sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets

places

> can be fixed only by discussion

>

> 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a

navami

> day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees.

> hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place

of

> mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

>

>

> Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing

from

> all of you.

>

> with best regards,

>

> kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be in this

arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was and therefore

is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their respective positions

in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus always trail

the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets this symbolism.

why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted.

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as the

nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana and

Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others are

Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

 

When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna nakshatra

mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

 

If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in certain

dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami in

Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun is in

Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and hence

conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

 

Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the end

of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and nodes

are in exaltation.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

>

> Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

Sukla

> Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

Satyacharya.

> I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between Moon

and

> Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on this.

>

> This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra in

> actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

being

> Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in Cancer in

> Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than the

Moon.

>

> This is further substantiated being that on the next day the Moon

had

> actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was born.

> Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

from

> Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

Rama's

> birth.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> kishore patnaik wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

days. I

> > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > the birth :

> >

> > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

> >

> > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;

> > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH=

> > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

tithau=

> > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye=

star

> > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

graheSu

> > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest,

> > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

indunaa

> > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with;

pra

> > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

abhijit lagna;

> > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu];

> > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya lakshana

> > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

artham=

> > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed

one;

> > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita aksham=

> > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

roseate,

> > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram=

the

> > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> >

> >

> >

> > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> >

> > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > 4. Moon is in lagna

> >

> > The following two points are to be discussed.

> >

> > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

vakpati. Is

> > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

could

> > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> >

> > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

> > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are

five

> > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

> >

> > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

> > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other

three

> > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> >

> > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer

on a

> > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than

108

> > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

Thus,

> > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces

or

> > aries.

> >

> >

> > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

hearing

> > from all of you.

> >

> > with best regards,

> >

> > kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Patnaik ji,

 

 

Point # 4

 

The navmi starts just after the difference of Moon - Sun longitude

being 96 degrees.

At the difference of 96 degrees the ashtami is complete and the navmi

begins. Therefore the Sun can be in Aries and moon + jupiter in the

Cancer on a Shukla Paksha navmi day.

 

Would you consider the following placement of the planets :

 

if you take Jupiter in Lagna Cancer

 

Then why can't the following planets be placed as :

 

Jupiter : Lagna exalted

Saturn : 4th exalted

Mars ; 7 th exalted

venus : 9th exalted

Sun ;10th exalted

 

Lagna : Moon + Jupiter

3rd : Rahu

4th : Saturn

7th : Mars

9th : venus + ketu

10th : Sun + merc { mercury could be in the 9th giving rajbhang or

could be in the 11th also]

 

Sincerely,

 

RP SINGH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days.

I am

> giving below the slokas connected with

> the birth :

>

> tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

>

> 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;

R^ituuNaam

> SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

dvaadashe

> maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

> [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day

> [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha

> samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;

karkaTe

> lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

Speech's, Lord

> [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �

> ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen

Kausalya;

> jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by

all,

> worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along

with;

> viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

bhaagam=

> greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight

of;

> lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

>

>

> if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

>

> 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> 3. The lagna is Cancer

> 4. Moon is in lagna

>

> The following two points are to be discussed.

>

> 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati.

Is it

> Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could

not be

> with Moon on a Navami day.

>

> 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha

(exalted)

> positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which

are in

> exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

>

> 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

While the

> sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets

places

> can be fixed only by discussion

>

> 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on

a navami

> day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

degrees.

> hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

place of

> mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

>

>

> Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

hearing from

> all of you.

>

> with best regards,

>

> kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Bharata is elder to Lakshmana and was born in Pushyami nakshatra. puShye jaataH tu bharato mIna lagne prasanna dhIH |saarpe jaatau tu saumitrI kuLIre abhyudite ravau || 1-18-15 15. prasanna dhiiH= level, headed one – guileless, fair-minded; Bharata; pushye miina lagne jaataH= under Pushyami star, in Pisces [of Zodiac,] born; saumitrii= sons of Sumitra [Lakshmana, Shatrughna]; saarpe kuliire= under star presided by serpent [aaSreSa,] in Cancer [of Zodiac]; abhyudite ravau= when rising, of Sun- when sun is rising, i.e., on next day of Rama's birth, tenth of Chaitra; jaatau= they are born. The fair-minded Bharata is born under Pisces where puSyami is the star of day, and the sons of Sumitra, namely Lakshmana and Shatrughna

are born under Cancer, where aaSreSa is the star of the day and when sun is rising. [1-18-15] Though I do concur with the logic you have presented, I have always wondered about the phrasealogy of Sage Valmiki about "sva uccha" ...could it be that he was referring to moon being in own house and 4 other planets, namely Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and Venus being exalted? Otherwise, why should the Sage use such a term? Simply saying "ucche" would have sufficed. It's just a thought and I could be wrong.... Regards, Lakshmi

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

Vimshottari dasa.

 

Astronomical calculations

 

When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said to

be born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

 

Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

until the beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this

is the maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

Pisces lagna.

 

The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees in

24 hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after the

maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have traversed

12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

 

In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

 

Looking forward to your reply.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

Narasimha Rao wrote:

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as the

nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana and

Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others are

Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

 

When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna nakshatra

mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

 

If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in certain

dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying "born on Navami in

Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even indicate clearly that Sun is in

Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and hence

conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

 

Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the end

of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and nodes

are in exaltation.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

>

> Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

Sukla

> Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

Satyacharya.

> I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between

Moon

and

> Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on this.

>

> This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra in

> actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

being

> Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in Cancer

in

> Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than the

 

Moon.

>

> This is further substantiated being that on the next day the Moon

had

> actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

born.

> Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

from

> Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

Rama's

> birth.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

 

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> kishore patnaik wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

days. I

> > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > the birth :

> >

> > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam ||

1-18-11

> >

> > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion;

> > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

tataH=

> > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

tithau=

> > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

daivatye=

star

> > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

graheSu

> > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

indunaa

> > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

with;

pra

> > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

abhijit lagna;

> > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

[Vishnu];

> > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana

> > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

artham=

> > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

blessed

one;

> > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

aksham=

> > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

roseate,

> > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

the

> > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> >

> >

> >

> > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> >

> > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > 4. Moon is in lagna

> >

> > The following two points are to be discussed.

> >

> > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

vakpati. Is

> > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

 

could

> > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> >

> > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

 

> > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

are

five

> > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

refrain

> >

> > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

Saturn.

> > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

other

three

> > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> >

> > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

cancer

on a

> > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more

than

108

> > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

 

Thus,

> > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

pisces

or

> > aries.

> >

> >

> > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

 

hearing

> > from all of you.

> >

> > with best regards,

> >

> > kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and not

some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. However,

the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a symbolism " ,

though he speaks in that tone.

 

While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and

constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without ANY

basis.

 

There are 2 possibilities:

 

(1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon

and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, Mars

in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu

and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said.

 

(2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and

interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna,

Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra,

Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in

Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation signs

fits everything Valmiki said.

 

The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion that

there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is fictitious.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be in

this

> arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was and

therefore

> is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their respective

positions

> in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus

always trail

> the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets this

symbolism.

> why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted.

>

>

>

> namaskar,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Valmiki also said that it was Punarvasu nakshatra and Navami on that

day. Thus, Moon has to be in the first 3 deg 20 min of Cancer. He

cannot be after 6 deg. Thus, Sun MUST be in Pisces. I am convinced

that Sun in Aries is wrong.

 

Bharata was born when Moon was in Pushyami nakshatra and Lakshmana

and Satrughna were born when Moon was in Asresha nakshatra.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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> Dear Patnaik ji,

>

>

> Point # 4

>

> The navmi starts just after the difference of Moon - Sun longitude

> being 96 degrees.

> At the difference of 96 degrees the ashtami is complete and the

navmi

> begins. Therefore the Sun can be in Aries and moon + jupiter in the

> Cancer on a Shukla Paksha navmi day.

>

> Would you consider the following placement of the planets :

>

> if you take Jupiter in Lagna Cancer

>

> Then why can't the following planets be placed as :

>

> Jupiter : Lagna exalted

> Saturn : 4th exalted

> Mars ; 7 th exalted

> venus : 9th exalted

> Sun ;10th exalted

>

> Lagna : Moon + Jupiter

> 3rd : Rahu

> 4th : Saturn

> 7th : Mars

> 9th : venus + ketu

> 10th : Sun + merc { mercury could be in the 9th giving rajbhang or

> could be in the 11th also]

>

> Sincerely,

>

> RP SINGH

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " kishore patnaik "

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

days.

> I am

> > giving below the slokas connected with

> > the birth :

> >

> > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

> >

> > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion;

> R^ituuNaam

> > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then;

> dvaadashe

> > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

> > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day

> > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa

uccha

> > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing;

> karkaTe

> > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when

> Speech's, Lord

> > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising

�

> > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen

> Kausalya;

> > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam=

by

> all,

> > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes,

along

> with;

> > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa

> bhaagam=

> > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty,

delight

> of;

> > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta

> oSTam=

> > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama

as;

> putram=

> > the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> >

> >

> > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> >

> > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > 4. Moon is in lagna

> >

> > The following two points are to be discussed.

> >

> > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

vakpati.

> Is it

> > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

could

> not be

> > with Moon on a Navami day.

> >

> > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

uccha

> (exalted)

> > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets

which

> are in

> > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

> >

> > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

> While the

> > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three

planets

> places

> > can be fixed only by discussion

> >

> > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer

on

> a navami

> > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108

> degrees.

> > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the

> place of

> > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

> >

> >

> > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

> hearing from

> > all of you.

> >

> > with best regards,

> >

> > kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is indeed

true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born at

sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born on

the very next day? I have not come across any such observation in

Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

 

The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and Lakshmana

and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had checked and

the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

 

I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet & sattwik

talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in such

scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is conjunct

Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in Martian

sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any benefic

intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more fiery and

aggressive.

 

Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma. The

conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it further.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

> > <>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

I had not seen Narasimha's response on the list...hence i thought you

have forwarded it! I am so dumb:--))

 

Affly,

Lakshmi

 

 

sohamsa , " b_lakshmi_ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is

indeed

> true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born at

> sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born on

> the very next day? I have not come across any such observation in

> Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

>

> The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and

Lakshmana

> and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had checked and

> the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

>

> I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet &

sattwik

> talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in such

> scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is

conjunct

> Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in

Martian

> sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any benefic

> intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more fiery

and

> aggressive.

>

> Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma. The

> conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it further.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

> sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ??? ??? ??????

> >

> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> > Vimshottari dasa.

> >

> > *Astronomical calculations*

> >

> > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said

to

> be

> > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

> birth.

> >

> > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

> means

> > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

until

> the

> > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

> the

> > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

Pisces

> lagna.

> >

> > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

> in 24

> > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> traversed

> > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

> >

> > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> >

> > Looking forward to your reply.

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > --

> > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> http://srigaruda.com

> > <http://srigaruda.com>

> >

> > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

> > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as

the

> > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana

and

> > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

> are

> > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > >

> > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

> > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

> nakshatra

> > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > >

> > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

> certain

> > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

> > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

> > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami

in

> > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun

> is in

> > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

> hence

> > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > >

> > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

> end

> > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

> nodes

> > > are in exaltation.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > > Spirituality:

> > > <>

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > > -------------------------

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>,

> > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > > Sukla

> > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > > Satyacharya.

> > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

> Moon

> > > and

> > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on

> this.

> > > >

> > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

> in

> > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

> > > being

> > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> Cancer in

> > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger

than

> the

> > > Moon.

> > > >

> > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

> Moon

> > > had

> > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

> born.

> > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that

time

> > > from

> > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during

Sri

> > > Rama's

> > > > birth.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > > days. I

> > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > the birth :

> > > > >

> > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam ||

1-

> 18-11

> > > > >

> > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> completion;

> > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

> tataH=

> > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

> > > tithau=

> > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> daivatye=

> > > star

> > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

> > > graheSu

> > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > > indunaa

> > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

> with;

> > > pra

> > > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

> > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> [Vishnu];

> > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> lakshana

> > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

> > > artham=

> > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> blessed

> > > one;

> > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

> aksham=

> > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

> > > roseate,

> > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

> putram=

> > > the

> > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > could

> > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own)

or

> > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

> are

> > > five

> > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

> refrain

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

> Saturn.

> > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

> other

> > > three

> > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

> cancer

> > > on a

> > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be

more

> than

> > > 108

> > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

pisces.

> > > Thus,

> > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

> pisces

> > > or

> > > > > aries.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions

after

> > > hearing

> > > > > from all of you.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, A small calculation using moon speed using Swiss Ephemeris

 

 

max

15.33323

deg/day

 

 

min

11.77352

deg/day

 

That above is from a 1000 day samplesWarm Regards-SanjayOn Nov 5, 2007 4:00 PM, b_lakshmi_ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is indeed

true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born at

sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born on

the very next day? I have not come across any such observation in

Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

 

The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and Lakshmana

and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had checked and

the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

 

I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet & sattwik

talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in such

scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is conjunct

Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in Martian

sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any benefic

intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more fiery and

aggressive.

 

Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma. The

conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it further.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

> > <>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Om gurave namah

Dear Vistiji, namaskar

Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible if

Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

Aries in 10th house.

I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the Sun

being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and Moon

being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting almost 93

degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the tithi

span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma nakshatra?

abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the very

next day.

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

 

 

sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

> > <>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

The only reference to 'the next day', i.e. the following sunrise, comes

with the description of Laxman and Satrughna's birth. From this the

assumption is that Bharata was born on the same day of Sri Rama.

 

Astronomically, If we apply your assumption and say that Bharat was

born the day after Rama, then 24+20 hours would pass. 20 hours is a

maximum which we could shorten down to 16 hours, therefore a total of

40 hours from Rama's birth to Bharata's. Even at the Moons slowest

speed of 10 degrees, 20 minutes the Moon would have traversed 17

degrees. Even if the Moon had been at the beginning of Cancer this

movement of 17 degrees would put it straight into Asleesha nakshatra,

and thats using the slowest motion and shortest possible

time from Cancer to Pisces (8 signs * 2 hours=16 hours).

So even that is not possible to justify Bharata's birth in Pushya

nakshatra.

In fact Bharata born on the same day as Rama, only a few hours after is

the best possible justification of his birth in Pushya nakshatra with

Pisces lagna.

 

But, the following sunrise is only a few hours after when Laxman and

Satrughna are born, and being that the following sunrise had Moon in

Aslesha nakshatra it is unlikely that Moon was in Pushya during Rama's

birth to begin with.

 

Astrologically an exalted second lord would have given just as nice

speech as the second lord joined exalted Venus. Yet, i find more

importantly that if we are indeed speaking of a Vishnu avatara's chart

then the ninth lord must be placed in the abhijit rasi from the Sun.

That is, ninth lord Jupiter must be placed in the fourth from the Sun.

Here Jupiter receives digbala and is also showing his major karma as

this is the abhijit rasi.

 

Similarly in Sri Krishna's chart, Saturn is the ninth lord and

receives digbala in the seventh, where it is also in the fourth from

the Sun and therefore in Abhijit rasi... surely a dharma-avatara.

 

How do you see 'love for dharma' in a chart?

 

More so, with Sun in Pisces, what happened to the pitri-dosha which

caused his father the great sorrow of having to send him away?

Dasaratha earned this bad karma due to having killed the son of another

father.

 

There are a few more important factors, such as simhasansa yoga

(second lord in tenth), without which he would not become the king of

Ayodhya. Rajya sambandha yoga of Rahu associated with that Sun in the

tenth giving political power which is required for kings and

politicians alike.

 

Now, without Sun exalted on the arudha lagna, the lord Mars would

surely take over and all those martian qualities which you wanted to

avoid in Lord Rama would have become ever more prominent. Then where is

the greatness of the Surya-vamsa?

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

Thanks for patiently forwarding your mail to Narasimha. It is indeed

true that Valmiki said that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born at

sunrise. But did he say that Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born on

the very next day? I have not come across any such observation in

Valmiki Ramayan, but ofcourse I could have missed it out.

 

The way I look at it, Bharata was born on the next day and Lakshmana

and Shatrughna were born at Sunrise on 3rd day....I had checked and

the Moon would very much be in Aaslesha at that time.

 

I also feel that Sun in Pisces justifies Sri Rama's sweet & sattwik

 

talk and great adherence to Truth, because the 2nd lord in such

scenario, would be disposited and aspected by Jupiter and is conjunct

Mercury and Venus. Sun in aries, though exalted, would be in Martian

sign, powerfully aspected by Mars and Saturn...without any benefic

intervention whatsoever...so speech is bound to be far more fiery

and

aggressive.

 

Sun in 9th also indicates His overwhelming love for Dharma. The

conjunction of Venus, the 4th Lord, would only deepen it further.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said

to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

 

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

 

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

 

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is

to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying "born on

Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries

and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

 

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

 

> > <>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

 

> > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

> > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas

of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the

Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna

in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore

stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day

the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which

Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during

that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the

past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau

|| 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu

pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha ||

1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam

|| 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku

na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi

svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual,

on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well,

passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre

aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their

own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac];

vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with]

Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing

daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds',

lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored;

divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam=

greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam=

Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are

clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi

of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is

said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter

since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in

swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken

that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter,

Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and

Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon

is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun

should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed

to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis-

aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary

positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Tijana, Namaskar

The tithi span cannot be 15 degrees, it is always 12. The reference is

to the Moons speed of motion.

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

tijanadamjanovic wrote:

 

 

Om gurave namah

Dear Vistiji, namaskar

Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible if

Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

Aries in 10th house.

I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the Sun

being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and Moon

being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting almost 93

degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the tithi

span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma nakshatra?

abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the very

next day.

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said

to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

 

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

 

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

 

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is

to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying "born on

Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries

and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

 

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

 

> > <>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

 

> > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

> > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas

of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the

Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna

in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore

stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day

the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which

Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during

that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the

past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau

|| 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu

pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha ||

1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam

|| 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku

na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi

svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual,

on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well,

passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre

aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their

own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac];

vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with]

Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing

daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds',

lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored;

divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam=

greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam=

Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are

clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi

of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is

said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter

since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in

swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken

that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter,

Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and

Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon

is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun

should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed

to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis-

aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary

positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Tijana, Namaskar

The translation i saw on the net gave me the impression that it was the

following sunrise.

abhyudite ravau consists of three words: abhi+udita+ravi. If the

reference was merely to the Sun at sunrise, then it would be enough to

say: udita ravau. But the word abhi is prefixed to

verbs, in this case udita which means to rise. Abhi means

to go towards, or approaching. I cannot say that it

refers specifically to the following sunrise based on this, but the

births being close together seems implied in the description of the

births.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

tijanadamjanovic wrote:

 

 

Om gurave namah

Dear Vistiji, namaskar

Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible if

Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

Aries in 10th house.

I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the Sun

being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and Moon

being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting almost 93

degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the tithi

span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma nakshatra?

abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the very

next day.

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said

to

be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

 

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

 

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

 

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is

to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying "born on

Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra". He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries

and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

 

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

 

> > <>

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> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas

of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more

information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the

Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna

in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore

stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day

the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which

Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during

that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the

past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau

|| 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu

pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha ||

1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam

|| 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku

na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi

svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual,

on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well,

passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre

aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their

own, highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac];

vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with]

Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing

daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds',

lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored;

divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam=

greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed;

rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam=

Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are

clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi

of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is

said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter

since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in

swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken

that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter,

Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and

Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon

is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun

should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed

to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis-

aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary

positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

om gurave namah

Dear Vistiji,

Yes...

Warm regards,

Tijana

sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Tijana, Namaskar

> The tithi span cannot be 15 degrees, it is always 12. The reference

is

> to the Moons *speed* of motion.

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

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http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> tijanadamjanovic wrote:

> >

> > Om gurave namah

> > Dear Vistiji, namaskar

> > Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible if

> > Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

> > Aries in 10th house.

> > I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the Sun

> > being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and

Moon

> > being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting

almost 93

> > degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the

tithi

> > span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

> > possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

> > navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma

nakshatra?

> > abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the

very

> > next day.

> > Warm regards,

> > Tijana

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > >

> > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > >

> > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are

said to

> > be

> > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

> > birth.

> > >

> > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

> > means

> > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

until

> > the

> > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

> > the

> > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

Pisces

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15

degrees

> > in 24

> > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> > traversed

> > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

> > >

> > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

> > are

> > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > >

> > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is

to

> > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

> > nakshatra

> > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

> > certain

> > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on

Navami in

> > > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

> > is in

> > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

> > hence

> > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > >

> > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

> > end

> > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

> > nodes

> > > > are in exaltation.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > > > Sukla

> > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information

on

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

> > in

> > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

nakshatra

> > > > being

> > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> > Cancer in

> > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger

than

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

> > Moon

> > > > had

> > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman

was

> > born.

> > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that

time

> > > > from

> > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during

Sri

> > > > Rama's

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

<http://srigaruda.com

> > <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > > > days. I

> > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-

8

> > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-

10

> > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam

|| 1-

> > 18-11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > completion;

> > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

> > tataH=

> > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > > > tithau=

> > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > daivatye=

> > > > star

> > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > > > graheSu

> > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > > > indunaa

> > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

> > with;

> > > > pra

> > > > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime

�

> > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > lakshana

> > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > > > artham=

> > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> > blessed

> > > > one;

> > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

> > aksham=

> > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> > > > roseate,

> > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

> > putram=

> > > > the

> > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

Navami

> > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > > could

> > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

(own) or

> > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

there

> > are

> > > > five

> > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

> > refrain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

> > Saturn.

> > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

> > other

> > > > three

> > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

> > cancer

> > > > on a

> > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be

more

> > than

> > > > 108

> > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

pisces.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

> > pisces

> > > > or

> > > > > > aries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions

after

> > > > hearing

> > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

lagna.

 

Rama was born in Cancer lagna. Lakshmana and Saturghna were also

born in Cancer lagna according to Valmiki. Though Bharata was born

in Pisces lagna (mentioned by you), his nakshatra was Pushya. Thus,

I am not sure who you are talking about as being born in Pisces

lagna in Asresha star.

 

Basically, Sun only has to go from the end of Punarvasu to *Pushya*

(and not Asresha) in 18 hours. He has around 24 hours to go from the

end of Punarvasu to Asresha.

 

On the Navami day, Rama could be born when Moon was a little below 3

deg 20 min in Cn. This would be around the noon time and lagna would

be Cancer. A little after Rama was born, Moon could have entered

Pushya.

 

On the next day, Bharata could be born in the morning when Moon was

still in Pushya (3rd or 4th quarter). This would be around 18 hours

after Rama's birth.

 

Just before noon on that day, Moon could have left Pushya and

entered Asresha. Then around the noon time, Sumitra's twins could be

born in Cancer lagna.

 

To explain " 5 planets in swochcha " , we could either include Rahu and

Ketu or take it to mean 5 planets in " own or exaltation signs " . In

all likehood, Rama was born with Sun in Pisces.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> Vimshottari dasa.

>

> *Astronomical calculations*

>

> When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are said

to be

> born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

birth.

>

> Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

means

> that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu until

the

> beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

the

> maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of Pisces

lagna.

>

> The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15 degrees

in 24

> hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

traversed

> 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

>

> In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Narasimha Rao wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga elements).

> > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya as

the

> > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of Lakshmana

and

> > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and others

are

> > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> >

> > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is to

> > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

nakshatra

> > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> >

> > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

certain

> > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as the

> > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would have

> > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on Navami in

> > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that Sun

is in

> > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

hence

> > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude that

> > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> >

> > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at the

end

> > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

nodes

> > are in exaltation.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

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> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > >

> > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu during

> > Sukla

> > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > Satyacharya.

> > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger between

Moon

> > and

> > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information on

this.

> > >

> > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha nakshatra

in

> > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-nakshatra

> > being

> > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

Cancer in

> > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger than

the

> > Moon.

> > >

> > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

Moon

> > had

> > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman was

born.

> > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that time

> > from

> > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during Sri

> > Rama's

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > days. I

> > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > the birth :

> > > >

> > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

> > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

> > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-

18-11

> > > >

> > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

completion;

> > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

tataH=

> > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike

> > tithau=

> > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

daivatye=

> > star

> > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu

> > graheSu

> > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > indunaa

> > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

with;

> > pra

> > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime �

> > abhijit lagna;

> > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

[Vishnu];

> > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

lakshana

> > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's;

> > artham=

> > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

blessed

> > one;

> > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

aksham=

> > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

> > roseate,

> > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

putram=

> > the

> > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > >

> > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

> > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > >

> > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > >

> > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > vakpati. Is

> > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury

> > could

> > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or

> > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there

are

> > five

> > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

refrain

> > > >

> > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

Saturn.

> > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

other

> > three

> > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > >

> > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

cancer

> > on a

> > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more

than

> > 108

> > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces.

> > Thus,

> > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

pisces

> > or

> > > > aries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after

> > hearing

> > > > from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > with best regards,

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > 98492 70729

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

Valmiki explicitly said that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra in

Meena lagna. For Sumitra's twins, he explicitly mentioned Asresha

star and Cancer. In all likelihood, Cancer was the lagna. Though

Valmiki only said " in Cancer " (while he said " in Pisces lagna " for

Bharata), he would not have mentioned the Moonsign as there is no

need to. If somebody has Pushya star or Asresha star, Moonsign is

obvious and there is no need to mention it. After all, he did not

mention the Moonsign for Bharata and mentioned only Moon star and

lagna's sign. In all likehood, Lakshmana and Saturghna were born in

Cancer lagna with Moon in Asresha.

 

Abhyudita, like udita, can mean " risen " as you say and it can ALSO

mean " well-risen and elevated " . it can refer to Sun on the head

(noon time).

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Tijana, Namaskar

> The translation i saw on the net gave me the impression that it

was the

> following sunrise.

> /abhyudite ravau/ consists of three words: abhi+udita+ravi. If the

> reference was merely to the Sun at sunrise, then it would be

enough to

> say: /udita ravau/. But the word /abhi/ is prefixed to verbs, in

this

> case /udita/ which means to rise. /Abhi /means to /go towards, /or

> /approaching./ I cannot say that it refers specifically to the

following

> sunrise based on this, but the births being close together seems

implied

> in the description of the births.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> tijanadamjanovic wrote:

> >

> > Om gurave namah

> > Dear Vistiji, namaskar

> > Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible

if

> > Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

> > Aries in 10th house.

> > I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the

Sun

> > being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and

Moon

> > being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting

almost 93

> > degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the

tithi

> > span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

> > possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

> > navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma

nakshatra?

> > abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the

very

> > next day.

> > Warm regards,

> > Tijana

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than

starting

> > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > >

> > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > >

> > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are

said to

> > be

> > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from

Ramas

> > birth.

> > >

> > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra,

it

> > means

> > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

until

> > the

> > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this

is

> > the

> > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

Pisces

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15

degrees

> > in 24

> > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore

after the

> > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> > traversed

> > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

> > >

> > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

> > are

> > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > >

> > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice

is to

> > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

> > nakshatra

> > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

> > certain

> > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on

Navami in

> > > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

> > is in

> > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries

and

> > hence

> > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > >

> > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

> > end

> > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

> > nodes

> > > > are in exaltation.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

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> > > > -------------------------

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > > > Sukla

> > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information

on

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

> > in

> > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

nakshatra

> > > > being

> > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> > Cancer in

> > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger

than

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day

the

> > Moon

> > > > had

> > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman

was

> > born.

> > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that

time

> > > > from

> > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya

during Sri

> > > > Rama's

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

<http://srigaruda.com

> > <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past

few

> > > > days. I

> > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-

18-8

> > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-

9

> > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-

18-10

> > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam

|| 1-

> > 18-11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > completion;

> > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed

by;

> > tataH=

> > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > > > tithau=

> > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > daivatye=

> > > > star

> > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > > > graheSu

> > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak

patiH

> > > > indunaa

> > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon,

along

> > with;

> > > > pra

> > > > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime

�

> > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > lakshana

> > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > > > artham=

> > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> > blessed

> > > > one;

> > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

> > aksham=

> > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> > > > roseate,

> > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

> > putram=

> > > > the

> > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

Navami

> > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to

be

> > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > > could

> > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

(own) or

> > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

there

> > are

> > > > five

> > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be

popular

> > refrain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

> > Saturn.

> > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

> > other

> > > > three

> > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

> > cancer

> > > > on a

> > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be

more

> > than

> > > > 108

> > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

pisces.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

> > pisces

> > > > or

> > > > > > aries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions

after

> > > > hearing

> > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Rao ji,

If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In that case

6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first choice

be true?

If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which planet was

in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we know that

Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know whether Sa was

in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or Libra?

Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may pardon -

I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail.

 

regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur

 

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and not

> some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. However,

> the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a symbolism " ,

> though he speaks in that tone.

>

> While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and

> constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without ANY

> basis.

>

> There are 2 possibilities:

>

> (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon

> and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, Mars

> in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu

> and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said.

>

> (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and

> interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna,

> Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra,

> Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in

> Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation signs

> fits everything Valmiki said.

>

> The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion that

> there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is fictitious.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> rajagursahani@ wrote:

> >

> > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be in

> this

> > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was and

> therefore

> > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their respective

> positions

> > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus

> always trail

> > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets this

> symbolism.

> > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted.

> >

> >

> >

> > namaskar,

> >

> >

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

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>

 

 

 

 

 

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om gurave namah

Dear Vistiji,

Prefix " abhi " means " going towards, approaching " when it is prefixed

to verbs of motion. But the verb of motion is " udaya " and the phrase

should be " abhyudaya " .

" Udita " is adjective (nominal word) and when prefixed to nominal

words " abhi " means " superiority, intensity " , the phrase " abhyudite

ravau " thus would mean " Sun in its stenght, intensity " .

Warm regards,

Tijana

sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Tijana, Namaskar

> The translation i saw on the net gave me the impression that it was

the

> following sunrise.

> /abhyudite ravau/ consists of three words: abhi+udita+ravi. If the

> reference was merely to the Sun at sunrise, then it would be enough

to

> say: /udita ravau/. But the word /abhi/ is prefixed to verbs, in

this

> case /udita/ which means to rise. /Abhi /means to /go towards, /or

> /approaching./ I cannot say that it refers specifically to the

following

> sunrise based on this, but the births being close together seems

implied

> in the description of the births.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

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>

> tijanadamjanovic wrote:

> >

> > Om gurave namah

> > Dear Vistiji, namaskar

> > Your points are prooving that exaltation of the Sun is possible if

> > Moon is in Pushya nakshatra and I take that the Sun had to be in

> > Aries in 10th house.

> > I was wondering about the extent of the tithis. If we take the Sun

> > being at the very beginning of Aries (let`s say 10 minutes) and

Moon

> > being at the very end of Punarvasu (3 deg. ) we are getting

almost 93

> > degrees. Navami tithi starts from the 96 degrees. However the

tithi

> > span as you said can be 15 degrees in perihelion. This gives the

> > possibility of Moon being in Punarvasu with Sun`s exaltation on

> > navami tithi thus confirming sloka`s statement about janma

nakshatra?

> > abhyudite ravau menas at the Sun rise but it doesn`t confirm the

very

> > next day.

> > Warm regards,

> > Tijana

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > > Satyacharya uses the lagna nakshatra for much more than starting

> > > Vimshottari dasa.

> > >

> > > *Astronomical calculations*

> > >

> > > When describing the birth of Laxman and Satrughna, they are

said to

> > be

> > > born on the sunrise of the next day (abhyudite ravau) from Ramas

> > birth.

> > >

> > > Assuming that Moon was in fact placed in Punarvasu nakshatra, it

> > means

> > > that the Moon would have traversed from the end of Punarvasu

until

> > the

> > > beginning of Asleesha in approximately 18-20 hours, i.e. this is

> > the

> > > maximum time from beginning of Cancer Lagna till the end of

Pisces

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > The moon at its perihelion will traverse approximately 15

degrees

> > in 24

> > > hours, i.e. this is the fastest speed possible. Therefore after

the

> > > maximum of 20 hours (which is unlikely) the Moon would have

> > traversed

> > > 12 degrees 30 minutes thereby barely covering Pushya nakshatra.

> > >

> > > In light of this it is highly unlikely that Rama's nakshatra is

> > > punarvasu nakshatra. What do you say?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

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> > >

> > > Narasimha Rao wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > The verse mentions the tithi and nakshatra (panchanga

elements).

> > > > Valmiki mentions Punarvasu as the nakshatra of Rama, Pushya

as the

> > > > nakshatra of Bharata and Asresha as the nakshatra of

Lakshmana and

> > > > Satrughna. To say that one of them is lagna nakshatra and

others

> > are

> > > > Moon's nakshatras seems far-fetched to me.

> > > >

> > > > When mentioning someone's nakshatra, the standard practice is

to

> > > > mention Moon's nakshatra. I have never seen anybody's lagna

> > nakshatra

> > > > mentioned as one's nakshatra in any other scripture.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna is stronger than Moon, taking lagna as the seed in

> > certain

> > > > dasas is fine. But you don't mention the lagna nakshatra as

the

> > > > person's nakshatra. Moreover, if Valmiki did that, he would

have

> > > > explicitly mentioned it instead of just saying " born on

Navami in

> > > > Punarvasu nakshatra " . He did not even indicate clearly that

Sun

> > is in

> > > > Aries. How can he expect you to guess that Sun is in Aries and

> > hence

> > > > conclude that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu and hence conclude

that

> > > > Punarvasu must be the lagna nakshatra?

> > > >

> > > > Nothing that Valmiki wrote binds Sun to Aries. Sun can be at

the

> > end

> > > > of Pisces and be atma karaka, while Jupiter, Mars, Saturn and

> > nodes

> > > > are in exaltation.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > हरà¥++ राम à¤.à¥fषà¥?ण॥

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kishore, Namaskar

> > > > > Your absolutely correct that Moon cannot be in Punarvasu

during

> > > > Sukla

> > > > > Navami IF Sun is in Aries.

> > > > > Now, the tradition uses this example to prove the slokas of

> > > > Satyacharya.

> > > > > I.e. the nakshatra of birth depends among the stronger

between

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Lagna. You can refer to Satya Jatakam for more information

on

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > This would likely put the Moon in Pushya or Asleesha

nakshatra

> > in

> > > > > actuality, and instead the reference is to the Lagna-

nakshatra

> > > > being

> > > > > Punarvasu for Rama. This is justified being that Lagna in

> > Cancer in

> > > > > Punarvasu would make it Vargottama and therefore stronger

than

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is further substantiated being that on the next day the

> > Moon

> > > > had

> > > > > actually entered Asleesha nakshatra during which Lakshman

was

> > born.

> > > > > Therefore unless the Moon moved unusually fast during that

time

> > > > from

> > > > > Punarvasu to Asleesha, the Moon was likely in Pushya during

Sri

> > > > Rama's

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

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> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few

> > > > days. I

> > > > > > am giving below the slokas connected with

> > > > > > the birth :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

> > > > > > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-

8

> > > > > > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

> > > > > > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

> > > > > > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

> > > > > > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-

10

> > > > > > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

> > > > > > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam

|| 1-

> > 18-11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on

> > completion;

> > > > > > R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by;

> > tataH=

> > > > > > then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre

naavamike

> > > > tithau=

> > > > > > chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi

> > daivatye=

> > > > star

> > > > > > of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi;

panchasu

> > > > graheSu

> > > > > > swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own,

highest,

> > > > > > positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH

> > > > indunaa

> > > > > > saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along

> > with;

> > > > pra

> > > > > > udyamane= when raising � ascending, advancing daytime

�

> > > > abhijit lagna;

> > > > > > kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord

> > [Vishnu];

> > > > > > sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya

> > lakshana

> > > > > > samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH=

Vishnu's;

> > > > artham=

> > > > > > epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly

> > blessed

> > > > one;

> > > > > > ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita

> > aksham=

> > > > > > lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta

oSTam=

> > > > roseate,

> > > > > > lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as;

> > putram=

> > > > the

> > > > > > son; ajanayat= gave birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of

Navami

> > > > > > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

> > > > > > 3. The lagna is Cancer

> > > > > > 4. Moon is in lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following two points are to be discussed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be

> > > > vakpati. Is

> > > > > > it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since

Mercury

> > > > could

> > > > > > not be with Moon on a Navami day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa

(own) or

> > > > > > uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that

there

> > are

> > > > five

> > > > > > planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular

> > refrain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and

> > Saturn.

> > > > > > While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the

> > other

> > > > three

> > > > > > planets places can be fixed only by discussion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in

> > cancer

> > > > on a

> > > > > > navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be

more

> > than

> > > > 108

> > > > > > degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to

pisces.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua,

> > pisces

> > > > or

> > > > > > aries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions

after

> > > > hearing

> > > > > > from all of you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > > 98492 70729

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry I didn't read the thread. please omit what I have said. I was

confused with the chart of lord rama. I was told that all planets were in

the exalted state for lord rama. I don't believe this to be the case. sorry

for the posting. I only stated symbolism based on the chart I was given for

lord rama where all the planets were exalted. if mercury is not exalted then

of course this is not the case of symbolism.

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

In September the British Association of Vedic Astrologers discussed Rama's chart

and Krsn'a chart during an international conference call.

Rama's chart was suggested to be Jup/Mon Cancer lagna, Sun Merucry tenth house,

Venus eleventh, Saturn fourth, Mars tenth, Rahu sixth house.

best wishes

M

 

-

kishore patnaik

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Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:24 AM

Horoscope of Lord Rama

 

 

Dear all,

 

I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am

giving below the slokas connected with

the birth :

 

tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |

tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8

nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |

graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9

prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |

kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10

viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |

lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11

 

8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam

SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe

maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month

[April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day

[punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha

samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe

lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord

[Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising �

ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya;

jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all,

worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with;

viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam=

greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of;

lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam=

roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram=

the son; ajanayat= gave birth.

 

if you carefully look at this, the following are clear:

 

1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami

2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra

3. The lagna is Cancer

4. Moon is in lagna

 

The following two points are to be discussed.

 

1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it

Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be

with Moon on a Navami day.

 

2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted)

positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in

exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain

 

3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the

sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places

can be fixed only by discussion

 

4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami

day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees.

hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of

mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries.

 

Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from

all of you.

 

with best regards,

 

kishore patnaik

98492 70729