Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

April 6, 2010

Dear Learned Fraternity,

Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.

Regards

Amit

April 6, 2010

Dear Amit ji,

Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe

in application of Tropical and viceversa.

Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors

and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on these,

but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of both

and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in astrology.

they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Raj

Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and

udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic representations

of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few

weeks practise it can be done.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " amit.baid "

<amit.baid wrote:

>

> Dear Learned Fraternity,

>

> Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

Tropical Zodiac.

>

> Regards

>

> Amit

>

April 7, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical and Sidereal

and shifting of equinox.

Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem at all. I

will learn that.

Regards / Amit

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

> mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe

> in application of Tropical and viceversa.

>

> Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors

> and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on these,

> but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of both

> and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in astrology.

> they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Raj

> Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

>

> Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and

> udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic representations

> of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few

> weeks practise it can be done.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " amit.baid "

> <amit.baid@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> >

> > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> Tropical Zodiac.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Amit

> >

>

April 7, 2010

Dear Amit ji,

Sidereal is Indian system.

Tropical is Western system.

In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual position of the planets in the sky as it is.

In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

The above is in simple language.

Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search. Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal training in these.

You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

Some good Books

Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

All Books by Alan Leo.

All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with, first. And they are not Fat.

You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.

remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back, Never, when sharing what one knows.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "amit.baid" <amit.baid wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical and Sidereal and shifting of equinox. > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem at all. I will learn that.> > Regards / Amit> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both> > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe> > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors> > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on these,> > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of both> > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in astrology.> > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Raj> > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and> > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic representations> > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few> > weeks practise it can be done.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "amit.baid"> > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > >> > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and> > Tropical Zodiac.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Amit> > >> >>

April 7, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

The thirst for knowledge actually increases when you try to quench it.....

Thanks a ton for guidance.

I guess the mail I have received is in unformatted text and hence I do not see

which book is marked in Bold. May I request you to please number them and send

it back.

Can you please also suggest book on basic astronomy or a web link?

So the actual position of planets is known by Tropical system. So which system

one should follow? Tropical as it is / Sidereal by making adjustments or

something in between?

I am using Parashar Lite software. It gives " Bhava Sripati " ... is it the one

based on Tropical? Please advise if one can see tropical horoscope in Parashar

Lite.

Regards / Amit

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> Sidereal is Indian system.

>

> Tropical is Western system.

>

> In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions

> and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

>

> In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual position

> of the planets in the sky as it is.

>

> In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in the

> Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

>

> The above is in simple language.

>

> Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

>

> For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on Astronomy

> or some web sites after putting these terms in search. Unfortunately

> even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned institution be it

> from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to students is road

> side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are not

> missing much by not having a formal training in these.

>

> You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in

> learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

> manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go

> waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in

> your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student

> of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

>

> Some good Books

>

> Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

>

> The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

>

> The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

>

> Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

>

> Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

>

> An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

>

> All Books by Alan Leo.

>

> All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

>

> The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

>

> Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

>

> Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

>

> The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with,

> first. And they are not Fat.

>

> You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic

> Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readingin

> Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of

> Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.

>

> remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back, Never,

> when sharing what one knows.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " amit.baid "

> <amit.baid@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical and

> Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> >

> > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem at

> all. I will learn that.

> >

> > Regards / Amit

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Amit ji,

> > >

> > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

> > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont

> believe

> > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > >

> > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological

> authors

> > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on

> these,

> > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of

> both

> > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in

> astrology.

> > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga,

> Raj

> > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > >

> > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and

> > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> representations

> > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With

> few

> > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " amit.baid "

> > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 7, 2010

Dear Amit ji,

If You read my mail on the Group itself rather than in Your Inbox, you

wills ee the Bold print.

I do not use Parashar Lite. I use another Licensed softwrae which costs

rs.15000-

You can make any chart Tropical or Sidereal on the Jaganttah Hora. Just

remove the ayansmha part from the J.Hora settings and you have the

Sayana Chart.

I have already provided you books on basic astronomy. That is enough for

theoretical part. Now do not expect me to come to your home with all

books, links and other such stuff please. Do some work yourself also.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " amit.baid "

<amit.baid wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> The thirst for knowledge actually increases when you try to quench

it..... Thanks a ton for guidance.

>

> I guess the mail I have received is in unformatted text and hence I do

not see which book is marked in Bold. May I request you to please number

them and send it back.

>

> Can you please also suggest book on basic astronomy or a web link?

>

> So the actual position of planets is known by Tropical system. So

which system one should follow? Tropical as it is / Sidereal by making

adjustments or something in between?

>

> I am using Parashar Lite software. It gives " Bhava Sripati " ... is it

the one based on Tropical? Please advise if one can see tropical

horoscope in Parashar Lite.

>

> Regards / Amit

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Amit ji,

> >

> > Sidereal is Indian system.

> >

> > Tropical is Western system.

> >

> > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

positions

> > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> >

> > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual

position

> > of the planets in the sky as it is.

> >

> > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in

the

> > Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

> >

> > The above is in simple language.

> >

> > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> >

> > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

Astronomy

> > or some web sites after putting these terms in search. Unfortunately

> > even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned institution

be it

> > from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to students is

road

> > side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are

not

> > missing much by not having a formal training in these.

> >

> > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in

> > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

> > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not

go

> > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree

change in

> > your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious

student

> > of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

> >

> > Some good Books

> >

> > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> >

> > The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

> >

> > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> >

> > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> >

> > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> >

> > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> >

> > All Books by Alan Leo.

> >

> > All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

> >

> > The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

> >

> > Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

> >

> > Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

> >

> > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with,

> > first. And they are not Fat.

> >

> > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding

basic

> > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory

readingin

> > Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of

> > Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get

these.

> >

> > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,

Never,

> > when sharing what one knows.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " amit.baid "

> > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical

and

> > Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > >

> > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem

at

> > all. I will learn that.

> > >

> > > Regards / Amit

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

> > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont

> > believe

> > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > >

> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological

> > authors

> > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on

> > these,

> > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application

of

> > both

> > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in

> > astrology.

> > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa

Yoga,

> > Raj

> > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > >

> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read

and

> > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > representations

> > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this.

With

> > few

> > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " amit.baid "

> > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 9, 2010

Amitji

just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical longitude of planets.

Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology b'cos Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every year. The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.

The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50"" every year and is called Precession of equinox.

Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here is fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession of equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet and house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will be different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birth chart.

I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

warm regards

Amit Desai

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amit ji,

Sidereal is Indian system.

Tropical is Western system.

In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual position of the planets in the sky as it is.

In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

The above is in simple language.

Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search. Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal training in these.

You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

Some good Books

Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

All Books by Alan Leo.

All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with, first. And they are not Fat.

You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.

remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back, Never, when sharing what one knows.

regards/Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid" <amit.baid@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical and Sidereal and shifting of equinox. > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem at all. I will learn that.> > Regards / Amit> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both> > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe> > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors> > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on

these,> > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of both> > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in astrology.> > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Raj> > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and> > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic representations> > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few> > weeks practise it can be done.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid"> > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > >> > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify

concepts on Sidereal and> > Tropical Zodiac.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Amit> > >> >>

April 9, 2010

Dear Amit-ji,

To put it in simple language......

This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single question, i.e.,

'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need some reference

point against which we can make this measurement.

In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator or tropic of cancer

etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed stars. Now if you are

trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then one problem will

arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the Sun, it slightly slips

backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This is approximately

50" per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some point...then again next

year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will find that it is slightly

behind (by 50").

This precessional movement over the years has created enough difference

between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame of references'.

Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due to difference in

opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference point.

Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or 197 AD. Now

they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the Tropical & sidereal systems.

'hope it helps.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of amit desaiFriday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Amitji

just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical longitude of planets.

Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology b'cos Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every year. The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.

The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50"" every year and is called Precession of equinox.

Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here is fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession of equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet and house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will be different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birth chart.

I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

warm regards

Amit Desai

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amit ji,

Sidereal is Indian system.

Tropical is Western system.

In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual position of the planets in the sky as it is.

In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

The above is in simple language.

Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search. Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal training in these.

You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

Some good Books

Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

All Books by Alan Leo.

All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with, first. And they are not Fat.

You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.

remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back, Never, when sharing what one knows.

regards/Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid" <amit.baid@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical and Sidereal and shifting of equinox. > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem at all. I will learn that.> > Regards / Amit> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both> > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe> > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors> > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on these,> > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application of both> > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in astrology.> > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Raj> > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and> > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic representations> > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few> > weeks practise it can be done.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid"> > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > >> > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and> > Tropical Zodiac.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Amit> > >> >>

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April 9, 2010

Dear Chakroborty ji and all,

Thank You. Your explanations is good.

This part I did not put out of fear that people will runaway if I put

much technicals, and I want them to develop interest for further

studies.

Which is why I asked them to locate for videos on the Net and share it

with us too, so that others can understand these concepts which are not

understood just by theoretical presentations.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Amit-ji,

>

> To put it in simple language......

>

> This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single question,

i.e.,

> 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

>

> In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need some

reference

> point against which we can make this measurement.

>

> In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator or

tropic of cancer

> etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

>

> In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed stars. Now

if you are

> trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then one

problem will

> arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the Sun, it

slightly slips

> backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This is

approximately

> 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some point...then

again next

> year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will find that

it is slightly

> behind (by 50 " ).

>

> This precessional movement over the years has created enough

difference

> between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame of

references'.

> Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due to

difference in

> opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference point.

>

> Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or 197

AD. Now

> they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

>

> There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the Tropical &

sidereal systems.

>

> 'hope it helps.

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of amit

desai

> Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

>

> Re: Re: Sidereal and Tropical

Zodiac

>

> Amitji

> just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

>

> in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical longitude

of planets.

> Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology b'cos

Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every year.

The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " " every year

and is called Precession of equinox.

> Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here is

fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession of

equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance moved

so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet and

house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will be

different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birth

chart.

> I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

>

> warm regards

>

> Amit Desai

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

>

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> Sidereal is Indian system.

>

> Tropical is Western system.

>

> In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions

and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

>

> In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual

position of the planets in the sky as it is.

>

> In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in

the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

>

> The above is in simple language.

>

> Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

>

> For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search.

Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned

institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted to

students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell you

that you are not missing much by not having a formal training in these.

>

> You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in

learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go

waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in

your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student

of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

>

> Some good Books

>

> Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

>

> The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal

>

> The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

>

> Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

>

> Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

>

> An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

>

> All Books by Alan Leo.

>

> All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

>

> The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

>

> Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

>

> Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

>

> The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with,

first. And they are not Fat.

>

> You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic

Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readingin

Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities of

Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.

>

> remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,

Never, when sharing what one knows.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical

and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> >

> > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem

at all. I will learn that.

> >

> > Regards / Amit

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Amit ji,

> > >

> > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

> > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont

believe

> > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > >

> > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological

authors

> > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on

these,

> > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application

of both

> > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in

astrology.

> > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa

Yoga, Raj

> > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > >

> > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and

> > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

representations

> > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With

few

> > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

> > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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April 9, 2010

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

Thanks a lot.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of BhaskarFriday, April 09, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Chakroborty ji and all,Thank You. Your explanations is good.This part I did not put out of fear that people will runaway if I putmuch technicals, and I want them to develop interest for furtherstudies.Which is why I asked them to locate for videos on the Net and share itwith us too, so that others can understand these concepts which are notunderstood just by theoretical presentations.best wishes,Bhaskar. , "Chakraborty, PL"<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Amit-ji,>> To put it in simple language......>> This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single question,i.e.,> 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background>> In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need somereference> point against which we can make this measurement.>> In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator ortropic of cancer> etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.>> In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed stars. Nowif you are> trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then oneproblem will> arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the Sun, itslightly slips> backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This isapproximately> 50" per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some point...thenagain next> year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will find thatit is slightly> behind (by 50").>> This precessional movement over the years has created enoughdifference> between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame ofreferences'.> Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due todifference in> opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference point.>> Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or 197AD. Now> they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.>> There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the Tropical & sidereal systems.>> 'hope it helps.>> regards>> Chakraborty>> ________________________________> [ ] On Behalf Of amitdesai> Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM> > Re: Re: Sidereal and TropicalZodiac>>>> Amitji> just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said>> in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical longitudeof planets.> Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology b'cosAries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every year.The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.> The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50"" every yearand is called Precession of equinox.> Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here isfixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession ofequinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance movedso far is called Ayanamsa which is> 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.> This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet andhouse cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will bedifferent by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birthchart.> I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.>> warm regards>>> Amit Desai>>>> ________________________________> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM> Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac>>>> Dear Amit ji,>> Sidereal is Indian system.>> Tropical is Western system.>> In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positionsand then predict as to what results would be obtianed .>> In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actualposition of the planets in the sky as it is.>> In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times inthe Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).>> The above is in simple language.>> Both systems work well in hands of Experts.>> For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books onAstronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search.Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renownedinstitution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted tostudents is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me tell youthat you are not missing much by not having a formal training in these.>> You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested inlearning the Western system. You must also learn to make chartsmanually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not gowaste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change inyour statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious studentof Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).>> Some good Books>> Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.>> The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal>> The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial>> Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.>> Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson>> An introduction to Astrology - William Lily>> All Books by Alan Leo.>> All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.>> The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green>> Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)>> Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).>> The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with,first. And they are not Fat.>> You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basicConcepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory readinginBooks and which they do not teach in Big Schools and universities ofAstrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when you get these.>> remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,Never, when sharing what one knows.>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid"amit.baid@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> >> > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropicaland Sidereal and shifting of equinox.> >> > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problemat all. I will learn that.> >> > Regards / Amit> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Amit ji,> > >> > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both> > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dontbelieve> > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > >> > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrologicalauthors> > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book onthese,> > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in applicationof both> > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach inastrology.> > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, JapaYoga, Raj> > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > >> > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and> > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolicrepresentations> > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. Withfew> > > weeks practise it can be done.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid"> > > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > > >> > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and> > > Tropical Zodiac.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Amit> > > >> > >> >>>>> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,India. The information contained in this electronic message and anyattachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of theaddressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privilegedinformation. If you are not the intended recipient, you should notdisseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the senderimmediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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April 9, 2010

Dear Amit JI,

//clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from aries..)2)nakshatra

chakra (start from ashwini)........

Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra chakra......

Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

now....while Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star

are considered as not moving frame of reference)...

Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in which

Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base prediction

required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be Tantric trend)

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Chakraborty, PL wrote:

Dear Amit-ji,

To put it in simple language......

This sidereal & tropical

system originates from one single question, i.e.,

'Frame of Reference' or some

fixed background

In sky, if we have to measure

the position of planets, we need some reference

point against which we can make

this measurement.

In tropical system, the

position of Sun as it touches equator or tropic of cancer

etc. are taken as 'Frame of

Reference'.

In sidereal system, the 'frame

of reference' is some fixed stars. Now if you are

trying to make measurements

against these fixed stars, then one problem will

arise. As earth rotates on its

axis while revolving round the Sun, it slightly slips

backward.....which is known

as Precessional movement. This is approximately

50" per year. So, say today if

we observed Sun at some point...then again next

year, at the same date &

time if we look at the Sun, we will find that it is slightly

behind (by 50").

This precessional movement over

the years has created enough difference

between Tropical & Sidereal

observations due to different 'frame of references'.

Among sidereal systems also,

some minor differences exist due to difference in

opinion about which particular

star to be taken as reference point.

Both system showed same

planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or 197 AD. Now

they are apart by roughly 23.5

degree.

There are some good artciles in

Soulhealing.com about the Tropical & sidereal systems.

'hope it helps.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of amit desai

Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

Re: Re: Sidereal and

Tropical Zodiac

Amitji

just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

longitude of planets.

Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

b'cos Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every

year. The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.

The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50"" every

year and is called Precession of equinox.

Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here

is fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession of

equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance

moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet

and house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will be

different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birth

chart.

I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

warm regards

Amit Desai

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Wed, April 7,

2010 12:17:19 PM

Subject:

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amit ji,

Sidereal is Indian system.

Tropical is Western system.

In Indian system we deduct

the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions and then predict as to what

results would be obtianed .

In Tropical they dont deduct

the ayanamsha but take the actual position of the planets in the sky as

it is.

In Indian system suppose

your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in the Western system the Lagna

would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

The above is in simple

language.

Both systems work well in

hands of Experts.

For shifting of Equinox You

may refer some elemntary books on Astronomy or some web sites after

putting these terms in search. Unfortunately even after one Graduates

after 5 years from a renowned institution be it from Bombay or Delhi,

practical knowledge imparted to students is road side... One has to

fend for himself. so let me tell you that you are not missing much by

not having a formal training in these.

You must buy a Rapheals

Ephemeris if you really are interested in learning the Western system.

You must also learn to make charts manually. I can vouch from

experience that this hard work will not go waste and you would

recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change in your statistics

once you learn to do this (If You are a serious student of Astrology

and not here just for reading your own Chart).

Some good

Books

Astrology of the Seers -

Frawley D.

The Key and Guide to

Astrology - Rapheal

The Manual of Astrology -

Sepharial

Dynamics of Aspects analysis

- Tierney B.

Horary Astrology- Rapheal

/Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

An introduction to Astrology

- William Lily

All Books by

Alan Leo.

All Class Books by

the Professors of BVB, Bombay.

The Horoscope in

detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green

Basic Astronomy for

Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)

Astronomy and

Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).

The Books mentioned in Bold

are those which you should begin with, first. And they are not Fat.

You may also look up on some

Videos on the Net for understanding basic Concepts from Books which one

cannot understand through Theory readingin Books and which they do not

teach in Big Schools and universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And

please share with us when you get these.

remember Knowledge Shared is

Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back, Never, when sharing what one knows.

regards/Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "amit.baid"

<amit.baid@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical

and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

>

> Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem

at all. I will learn that.

>

> Regards / Amit

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Amit ji,

> >

> > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of

both

> > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally

dont believe

> > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> >

> > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological

authors

> > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book

on these,

> > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in

application of both

> > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in

astrology.

> > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa

Yoga, Raj

> > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> >

> > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to

read and

> > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

representations

> > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this.

With few

> > weeks practise it can be done.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"amit.baid"

> > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > >

> > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on

Sidereal and

> > Tropical Zodiac.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Amit

> > >

> >

>

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April 12, 2010

Dear Devisingh ji,

Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a zodiac.

Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star should corroborate with the

zodiac sign.

I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned out to be a

insight into various planets its environment etc. This was produced by " History

Channel " . Can anybody suggest some other DVD/CD which explains these

fundamentals.

Regards / Amit

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Amit JI,

>

> //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

>

> Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from aries..)2)nakshatra chakra

> (start from ashwini)........

> Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra chakra......

> Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right now....while

> Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are considered

> as not moving frame of reference)...

> Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in which

> Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base prediction

> required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be Tantric trend)

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> >

> > Dear Amit-ji,

> >

> > To put it in simple language......

> >

> > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single question, i.e.,

> > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> >

> > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need some

> > reference

> > point against which we can make this measurement.

> >

> > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator or

> > tropic of cancer

> > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> >

> > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed stars. Now

> > if you are

> > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then one

> > problem will

> > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the Sun, it

> > slightly slips

> > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This is

> > approximately

> > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some point...then

> > again next

> > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will find

> > that it is slightly

> > behind (by 50 " ).

> >

> > This precessional movement over the years has created enough difference

> > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame of

> > references'.

> > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due to

> > difference in

> > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference point.

> >

> > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or 197

> > AD. Now

> > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> >

> > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the Tropical &

> > sidereal systems.

> >

> > 'hope it helps.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > ------

> > **

> > *On Behalf Of *amit

> > desai

> > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > *To:*

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

> >

> > Amitji

> > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> >

> > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical longitude

> > of planets.

> > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology b'cos

> > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every year.

> > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " " every year

> > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here is

> > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession of

> > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the distance

> > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet and

> > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will be

> > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical birth

> > chart.

> > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

> >

> > warm regards

> >

> > *Amit Desai*

> >

> > ------

> > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

> >

> > Dear Amit ji,

> >

> > Sidereal is Indian system.

> >

> > Tropical is Western system.

> >

> > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary positions

> > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> >

> > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual

> > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> >

> > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times in

> > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign ahead).

> >

> > The above is in simple language.

> >

> > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> >

> > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

> > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search.

> > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a renowned

> > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge imparted

> > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let me

> > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal training

> > in these.

> >

> > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested in

> > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

> > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will not go

> > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree change

> > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a serious

> > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own Chart).

> >

> > *_Some good Books_*

> >

> > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> >

> > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> >

> > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> >

> > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> >

> > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> >

> > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> >

> > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> >

> > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> >

> > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> >

> > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> >

> > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan Pub).*

> >

> > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin with,

> > first. And they are not Fat.

> >

> > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding basic

> > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory

> > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and

> > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with us when

> > you get these.

> >

> > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,

> > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

> > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between Tropical

> > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > >

> > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no problem

> > at all. I will learn that.

> > >

> > > Regards / Amit

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of both

> > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally dont believe

> > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > >

> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign astrological authors

> > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book on these,

> > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in application

> > of both

> > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach in

> > astrology.

> > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga, Japa

> > Yoga, Raj

> > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > >

> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to read and

> > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > representations

> > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about this. With few

> > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

> > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India.

The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this

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proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended

recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please

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> >

>

April 12, 2010

Dear Amit JI,

//Aren't both interrelated?//

It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know Nakshatra

of planet.....

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

amit.baid wrote:

Dear Devisingh ji,

Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a

zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star should

corroborate with the zodiac sign.

I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned out to

be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was

produced by "History Channel". Can anybody suggest some other DVD/CD

which explains these fundamentals.

Regards / Amit

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Amit JI,

>

> //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

>

> Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from aries..)2)nakshatra

chakra

> (start from ashwini)........

> Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra

chakra......

> Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

now....while

> Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are

considered

> as not moving frame of reference)...

> Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in

which

> Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base

prediction

> required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be Tantric

trend)

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> >

> > Dear Amit-ji,

> >

> > To put it in simple language......

> >

> > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one

single question, i.e.,

> > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> >

> > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we

need some

> > reference

> > point against which we can make this measurement.

> >

> > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator

or

> > tropic of cancer

> > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> >

> > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed

stars. Now

> > if you are

> > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then

one

> > problem will

> > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the

Sun, it

> > slightly slips

> > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement.

This is

> > approximately

> > 50" per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

point...then

> > again next

> > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we

will find

> > that it is slightly

> > behind (by 50").

> >

> > This precessional movement over the years has created enough

difference

> > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different

'frame of

> > references'.

> > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due

to

> > difference in

> > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference

point.

> >

> > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD

or 197

> > AD. Now

> > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> >

> > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about

the Tropical &

> > sidereal systems.

> >

> > 'hope it helps.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > -------------------------

> > **

> >

*On Behalf Of *amit

> > desai

> > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > *To:*

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal

and Tropical Zodiac

> >

> > Amitji

> > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> >

> > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

longitude

> > of planets.

> > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

b'cos

> > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes

every year.

> > The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50""

every year

> > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point

here is

> > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This

precession of

> > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the

distance

> > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

> > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every

planet and

> > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree

will be

> > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to

Tropical birth

> > chart.

> > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

> >

> > warm regards

> >

> > *Amit Desai*

> >

> > -------------------------

> > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and

Tropical Zodiac

> >

> > Dear Amit ji,

> >

> > Sidereal is Indian system.

> >

> > Tropical is Western system.

> >

> > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

positions

> > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> >

> > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the

actual

> > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> >

> > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%

times in

> > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One

sign ahead).

> >

> > The above is in simple language.

> >

> > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> >

> > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

> > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in

search.

> > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a

renowned

> > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge

imparted

> > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so

let me

> > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal

training

> > in these.

> >

> > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are

interested in

> > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make

charts

> > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work

will not go

> > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1

Degree change

> > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a

serious

> > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own

Chart).

> >

> > *_Some good Books_*

> >

> > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> >

> > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> >

> > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> >

> > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> >

> > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> >

> > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> >

> > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> >

> > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> >

> > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> >

> > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> >

> > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor

(Ranjan Pub).*

> >

> > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin

with,

> > first. And they are not Fat.

> >

> > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for

understanding basic

> > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through

Theory

> > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools

and

> > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share

with us when

> > you get these.

> >

> > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold

back,

> > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"amit.baid"

> > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between

Tropical

> > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > >

> > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols,

no problem

> > at all. I will learn that.

> > >

> > > Regards / Amit

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"Bhaskar"

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with

advantages of both

> > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people

normally dont believe

> > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > >

> > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

astrological authors

> > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may

write a book on these,

> > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve

in application

> > of both

> > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of

approach in

> > astrology.

> > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti

Yoga, Japa

> > Yoga, Raj

> > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > >

> > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors.

But to read and

> > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with

symbolic

> > representations

> > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great

about this. With few

> > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"amit.baid"

> > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts

on Sidereal and

> > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New

Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and

any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of

the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or

privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you

should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify

the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any

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> >

>

April 12, 2010

The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like the

Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both

systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name by

the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the

skies.

regards/Bhaskar.

, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Amit JI,

>

> //Aren't both interrelated?//

> It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

> mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know Nakshatra

of

> planet.....

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> amit.baid wrote:

> >

> > Dear Devisingh ji,

> >

> > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a

> > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star should

> > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> >

> > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned out

to

> > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was

> > produced by " History Channel " . Can anybody suggest some other DVD/CD

> > which explains these fundamentals.

> >

> > Regards / Amit

> >

> > <%40>, devisigh

> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Amit JI,

> > >

> > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

> > >

> > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from aries..)2)nakshatra

> > chakra

> > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra

chakra......

> > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

> > now....while

> > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are

considered

> > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in

which

> > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base

prediction

> > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be Tantric

trend)

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > >

> > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > >

> > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single

> > question, i.e.,

> > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> > > >

> > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need

some

> > > > reference

> > > > point against which we can make this measurement.

> > > >

> > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator or

> > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > >

> > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed

stars. Now

> > > > if you are

> > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then one

> > > > problem will

> > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the

Sun, it

> > > > slightly slips

> > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This is

> > > > approximately

> > > > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

point...then

> > > > again next

> > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will

find

> > > > that it is slightly

> > > > behind (by 50 " ).

> > > >

> > > > This precessional movement over the years has created enough

> > difference

> > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame

of

> > > > references'.

> > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due to

> > > > difference in

> > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference

point.

> > > >

> > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or

197

> > > > AD. Now

> > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > >

> > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the

Tropical &

> > > > sidereal systems.

> > > >

> > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Chakraborty

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------

> > > > **

> > <%40>

> > > > [

> > <%40>] *On Behalf Of

*amit

> > > > desai

> > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and

> > Tropical Zodiac

> > > >

> > > > Amitji

> > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> > > >

> > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

longitude

> > > > of planets.

> > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

b'cos

> > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every

year.

> > > > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " " every

year

> > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here

is

> > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession

of

> > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the

distance

> > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet

and

> > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will

be

> > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical

birth

> > > > chart.

> > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

> > > >

> > > > warm regards

> > > >

> > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------

> > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and Tropical

Zodiac

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > >

> > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > >

> > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

positions

> > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> > > >

> > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual

> > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> > > >

> > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times

in

> > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign

ahead).

> > > >

> > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > >

> > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> > > >

> > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

> > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search.

> > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a

renowned

> > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge

imparted

> > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let

me

> > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal

> > training

> > > > in these.

> > > >

> > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested

in

> > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

> > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will

not go

> > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree

change

> > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a

serious

> > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own

Chart).

> > > >

> > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > >

> > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > >

> > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > >

> > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > >

> > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > >

> > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > >

> > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> > > >

> > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > >

> > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > >

> > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > >

> > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > >

> > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan

Pub).*

> > > >

> > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin

with,

> > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > >

> > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding

> > basic

> > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory

> > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and

> > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with

us

> > when

> > > > you get these.

> > > >

> > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,

> > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

> > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between

Tropical

> > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no

problem

> > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of

both

> > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally

dont

> > believe

> > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

astrological

> > authors

> > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book

> > on these,

> > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in

application

> > > > of both

> > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach

in

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

Japa

> > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to

read and

> > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > > > representations

> > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about

this.

> > With few

> > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" amit.baid "

> > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal

and

> > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New

> > Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message

and

> > any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use

of

> > the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or

> > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you

> > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please

notify

> > the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and

any

> > attachments.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 13, 2010

Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on average the

tropical is more " scientific " as opposed to religious or mystical. Ptolemy (a

scientist who believed astrology is just a weather effect) was the first to use

tropical.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like the

> Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both

> systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name by

> the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the

> skies.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , devisigh

> <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Amit JI,

> >

> > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

> > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know Nakshatra

> of

> > planet.....

> >

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > amit.baid wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > >

> > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a

> > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star should

> > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > >

> > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned out

> to

> > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was

> > > produced by " History Channel " . Can anybody suggest some other DVD/CD

> > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > >

> > > Regards / Amit

> > >

> > > <%40>, devisigh

> > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > >

> > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

> > > >

> > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > chakra

> > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra

> chakra......

> > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

> > > now....while

> > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are

> considered

> > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in

> which

> > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base

> prediction

> > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be Tantric

> trend)

> > > >

> > > > ------------------

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Devisingh

> > > >

> > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > >

> > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single

> > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> > > > >

> > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we need

> some

> > > > > reference

> > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.

> > > > >

> > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches equator or

> > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > > >

> > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed

> stars. Now

> > > > > if you are

> > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then one

> > > > > problem will

> > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round the

> Sun, it

> > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This is

> > > > > approximately

> > > > > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

> point...then

> > > > > again next

> > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will

> find

> > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > behind (by 50 " ).

> > > > >

> > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created enough

> > > difference

> > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different 'frame

> of

> > > > > references'.

> > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist due to

> > > > > difference in

> > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference

> point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD or

> 197

> > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the

> Tropical &

> > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > >

> > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > **

> > > <%40>

> > > > > [

> > > <%40>] *On Behalf Of

> *amit

> > > > > desai

> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > > *To:*

> > > <%40>

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and

> > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitji

> > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> > > > >

> > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

> longitude

> > > > > of planets.

> > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

> b'cos

> > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes every

> year.

> > > > > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " " every

> year

> > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point here

> is

> > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This precession

> of

> > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the

> distance

> > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every planet

> and

> > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree will

> be

> > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to Tropical

> birth

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2 system.

> > > > >

> > > > > warm regards

> > > > >

> > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > *To:*

> > > <%40>

> > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and Tropical

> Zodiac

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

> positions

> > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> > > > >

> > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the actual

> > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99% times

> in

> > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One sign

> ahead).

> > > > >

> > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> > > > >

> > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books on

> > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in search.

> > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a

> renowned

> > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge

> imparted

> > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so let

> me

> > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a formal

> > > training

> > > > > in these.

> > > > >

> > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are interested

> in

> > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make charts

> > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work will

> not go

> > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1 Degree

> change

> > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a

> serious

> > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own

> Chart).

> > > > >

> > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > > >

> > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > > >

> > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > > >

> > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > > >

> > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > > >

> > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> > > > >

> > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > >

> > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > >

> > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > > >

> > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > > >

> > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor (Ranjan

> Pub).*

> > > > >

> > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin

> with,

> > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for understanding

> > > basic

> > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through Theory

> > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools and

> > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share with

> us

> > > when

> > > > > you get these.

> > > > >

> > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold back,

> > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " amit.baid "

> > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between

> Tropical

> > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no

> problem

> > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages of

> both

> > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people normally

> dont

> > > believe

> > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

> astrological

> > > authors

> > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a book

> > > on these,

> > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in

> application

> > > > > of both

> > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of approach

> in

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

> Japa

> > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But to

> read and

> > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > > > > representations

> > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about

> this.

> > > With few

> > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal

> and

> > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New

> > > Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message

> and

> > > any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use

> of

> > > the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or

> > > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you

> > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please

> notify

> > > the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and

> any

> > > attachments.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 13, 2010

I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they

KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also

matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy

way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda

Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done

BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.

, " cjjohans "

<cjjohans wrote:

>

> Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on

average the tropical is more " scientific " as opposed to religious or

mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a weather

effect) was the first to use tropical.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like

the

> > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both

> > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name

by

> > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the

> > skies.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Amit JI,

> > >

> > > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

> > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know

Nakshatra

> > of

> > > planet.....

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > amit.baid wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a

> > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star

should

> > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > > >

> > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned

out

> > to

> > > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was

> > > > produced by " History Channel " . Can anybody suggest some other

DVD/CD

> > > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > > >

> > > > Regards / Amit

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, devisigh

> > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from

aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > > chakra

> > > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra

> > chakra......

> > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

> > > > now....while

> > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are

> > considered

> > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in

> > which

> > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base

> > prediction

> > > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be

Tantric

> > trend)

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Devisingh

> > > > >

> > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single

> > > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we

need

> > some

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches

equator or

> > > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed

> > stars. Now

> > > > > > if you are

> > > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then

one

> > > > > > problem will

> > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round

the

> > Sun, it

> > > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This

is

> > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

> > point...then

> > > > > > again next

> > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will

> > find

> > > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > > behind (by 50 " ).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created enough

> > > > difference

> > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different

'frame

> > of

> > > > > > references'.

> > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist

due to

> > > > > > difference in

> > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference

> > point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD

or

> > 197

> > > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the

> > Tropical &

> > > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > **

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > [

> > > > <%40>] *On Behalf

Of

> > *amit

> > > > > > desai

> > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > > > *To:*

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and

> > > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitji

> > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

> > longitude

> > > > > > of planets.

> > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

> > b'cos

> > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes

every

> > year.

> > > > > > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " "

every

> > year

> > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point

here

> > is

> > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This

precession

> > of

> > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the

> > distance

> > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > > > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every

planet

> > and

> > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree

will

> > be

> > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to

Tropical

> > birth

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2

system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > *To:*

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and

Tropical

> > Zodiac

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

> > positions

> > > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the

actual

> > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%

times

> > in

> > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One

sign

> > ahead).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books

on

> > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in

search.

> > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a

> > renowned

> > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge

> > imparted

> > > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so

let

> > me

> > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a

formal

> > > > training

> > > > > > in these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are

interested

> > in

> > > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make

charts

> > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work

will

> > not go

> > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1

Degree

> > change

> > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a

> > serious

> > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own

> > Chart).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor

(Ranjan

> > Pub).*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin

> > with,

> > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for

understanding

> > > > basic

> > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through

Theory

> > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools

and

> > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share

with

> > us

> > > > when

> > > > > > you get these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold

back,

> > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" amit.baid "

> > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between

> > Tropical

> > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no

> > problem

> > > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages

of

> > both

> > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people

normally

> > dont

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

> > astrological

> > > > authors

> > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a

book

> > > > on these,

> > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in

> > application

> > > > > > of both

> > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of

approach

> > in

> > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

> > Japa

> > > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But

to

> > read and

> > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > > > > > representations

> > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about

> > this.

> > > > With few

> > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on

Sidereal

> > and

> > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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April 13, 2010

Dear cjjohans JI,

I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or

not....at least people can express what they have learned so

far...thanks for reply to make thread inline

western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all

about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which are

part of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that

unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that

unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are

absurd...

western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find

that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with

Nakshatra....

Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical

Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360

degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can

not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in

all systems that tells why they are working since long time....

Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion

would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and

segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference

again there.....

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Bhaskar wrote:

I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they

KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also

matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy

way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda

Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done

BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.

,

"cjjohans"

<cjjohans wrote:

>

> Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on

average the tropical is more "scientific" as opposed to religious or

mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a weather

effect) was the first to use tropical.

>

> ,

"Bhaskar"

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the

Zodiac like

the

> > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate

in both

> > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a

corresponding name

by

> > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these

in the

> > skies.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ,

devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Amit JI,

> > >

> > > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and

gets

> > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires

to know

Nakshatra

> > of

> > > planet.....

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > amit.baid wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras)

which define a

> > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a

particular star

should

> > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > > >

> > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system

but it turned

out

> > to

> > > > be a insight into various planets its environment

etc. This was

> > > > produced by "History Channel". Can anybody suggest

some other

DVD/CD

> > > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > > >

> > > > Regards / Amit

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

devisigh

> > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical

Zodiac.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from

aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > > chakra

> > > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra

or Nakshatra

> > chakra......

> > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in

which sign right

> > > > now....while

> > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which

Star (as star are

> > considered

> > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check

Planet is present in

> > which

> > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not

name)......Sign base

> > prediction

> > > > > required to check Planet is present in which

Sign(may be

Tantric

> > trend)

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Devisingh

> > > > >

> > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system

originates from one single

> > > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed

background

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the

position of planets, we

need

> > some

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > point against which we can make this

measurement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun

as it touches

equator or

> > > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of

reference' is some fixed

> > stars. Now

> > > > > > if you are

> > > > > > trying to make measurements against these

fixed stars, then

one

> > > > > > problem will

> > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while

revolving round

the

> > Sun, it

> > > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > > backward.....which is known as

Precessional movement. This

is

> > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > 50" per year. So, say today if we

observed Sun at some

> > point...then

> > > > > > again next

> > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we

look at the Sun, we will

> > find

> > > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > > behind (by 50").

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This precessional movement over the years

has created enough

> > > > difference

> > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal

observations due to different

'frame

> > of

> > > > > > references'.

> > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor

differences exist

due to

> > > > > > difference in

> > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be

taken as reference

> > point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees

probably in 285 AD

or

> > 197

> > > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are some good artciles in

Soulhealing.com about the

> > Tropical &

> > > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > **

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > [

> > > > <%40>]

*On Behalf

Of

> > *amit

> > > > > > desai

> > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > > > *To:*

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re:

Re: Sidereal and

> > > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitji

> > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji

said

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is

deducted from Tropical

> > longitude

> > > > > > of planets.

> > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called

moveable Zodiac astrology

> > b'cos

> > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not

fixed and it changes

every

> > year.

> > > > > > The change is appro 50"" (seconds in

longitude) per year.

> > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology

moves back by 50""

every

> > year

> > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology

and Aries point

here

> > is

> > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha

asterism . This

precession

> > of

> > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal

astrology and the

> > distance

> > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > > > 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical

longitude of every

planet

> > and

> > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude.

Hence lagna degree

will

> > be

> > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal

as compared to

Tropical

> > birth

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the

diff. between 2

system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > *To:*

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > > > *Subject:*

Re: Sidereal and

Tropical

> > Zodiac

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha

from the Planetary

> > positions

> > > > > > and then predict as to what results would

be obtianed .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the

ayanamsha but take the

actual

> > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it

is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is

Taurus, then in 99%

times

> > in

> > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change

to Gemini. (One

sign

> > ahead).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of

Experts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer

some elemntary books

on

> > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting

these terms in

search.

> > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates

after 5 years from a

> > renowned

> > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi,

practical knowledge

> > imparted

> > > > > > to students is road side... One has to

fend for himself. so

let

> > me

> > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by

not having a

formal

> > > > training

> > > > > > in these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you

really are

interested

> > in

> > > > > > learning the Western system. You must

also learn to make

charts

> > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience

that this hard work

will

> > not go

> > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the

importance of even 1

Degree

> > change

> > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do

this (If You are a

> > serious

> > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just

for reading your own

> > Chart).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite

W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William

Lily

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of

BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and

H.S.Green*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak

Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by

Deepak Kapoor

(Ranjan

> > Pub).*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those

which you should begin

> > with,

> > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on

the Net for

understanding

> > > > basic

> > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot

understand through

Theory

> > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not

teach in Big Schools

and

> > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas.

And please share

with

> > us

> > > > when

> > > > > > you get these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge

Gained. Do not hold

back,

> > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com,

"amit.baid"

> > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First I wish to understand the

actual difference between

> > Tropical

> > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above.

REgarding symbols, no

> > problem

> > > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com,

"Bhaskar"

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a

single Book with advantages

of

> > both

> > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because

Sidereral people

normally

> > dont

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and

viceversa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some

books by foreign

> > astrological

> > > > authors

> > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in

3-4 years I may write a

book

> > > > on these,

> > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for

the same. I beleieve in

> > application

> > > > > > of both

> > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments

to any systems of

approach

> > in

> > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > they are all leading to the

same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

> > Japa

> > > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me know if you require

names ogf good authors. But

to

> > read and

> > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be

well versant with symbolic

> > > > > > representations

> > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and

aspects. Nothing great about

> > this.

> > > > With few

> > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > "amit.baid"

> > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

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// I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or not....at least people can express what they have learned so far...thanks for reply to make thread inline //

Your reply is apparently specifically pointed at me. So let me explain. I am not here to give lessons on Western astrology to you as you ahve been demanding me for Indian astrology too, since few months. You are not paying me money to do this. I am not anybody's servant to express what I have learnt.

Secondly this is a Group of Ancinet Indian astrology. Once in a while reference can be made to wetsern astrological concepts, but cannot put a full fledged discussion ere. The Moderators will be justified in throwing me out from here if they do so and I will not be eligible to register a complaint too for part has been specified clealry in the Forum Home Page. .

// western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which are part of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are absurd...//

But who has said that this wheel is superior and that inferior ?//western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with Nakshatra....//

Study well before making such comments.//Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360 degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in all systems that tells why they are working since long time....Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference again there.....//

What gibberish is this. Un-understandable what you are talking, what is there in your mind and what you are expressing.

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear cjjohans JI,> > I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or > not....at least people can express what they have learned so > far...thanks for reply to make thread inline> > western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all > about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which are part > of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that > unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that > unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are > absurd...> > western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find > that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with > Nakshatra....> > Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical > Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360 > degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can > not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in all > systems that tells why they are working since long time....> > Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion > would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and > segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference > again there.....> > ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > >> >> > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they> > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also> > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy> > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda> > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done> > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.> >> > > > <%40>, "cjjohans"> > cjjohans@ wrote:> > >> > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on> > average the tropical is more "scientific" as opposed to religious or> > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a weather> > effect) was the first to use tropical.> > >> > >> > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like> > the> > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both> > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name> > by> > > > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the> > > > skies.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Amit JI,> > > > >> > > > > //Aren't both interrelated?//> > > > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets> > > > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for> > > > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know> > Nakshatra> > > > of> > > > > planet.....> > > > >> > > > > ------------------> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Devisingh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > amit.baid wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a> > > > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star> > should> > > > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned> > out> > > > to> > > > > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was> > > > > > produced by "History Channel". Can anybody suggest some other> > DVD/CD> > > > > > which explains these fundamentals.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards / Amit> > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from> > aries..)2)nakshatra> > > > > > chakra> > > > > > > (start from ashwini)........> > > > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra> > > > chakra......> > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right> > > > > > now....while> > > > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are> > > > considered> > > > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...> > > > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in> > > > which> > > > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base> > > > prediction> > > > > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be> > Tantric> > > > trend)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > To put it in simple language......> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single> > > > > > question, i.e.,> > > > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we> > need> > > > some> > > > > > > > reference> > > > > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches> > equator or> > > > > > > > tropic of cancer> > > > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed> > > > stars. Now> > > > > > > > if you are> > > > > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then> > one> > > > > > > > problem will> > > > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round> > the> > > > Sun, it> > > > > > > > slightly slips> > > > > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This> > is> > > > > > > > approximately> > > > > > > > 50" per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some> > > > point...then> > > > > > > > again next> > > > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will> > > > find> > > > > > > > that it is slightly> > > > > > > > behind (by 50").> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created enough> > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different> > 'frame> > > > of> > > > > > > > references'.> > > > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist> > due to> > > > > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference> > > > point.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD> > or> > > > 197> > > > > > > > AD. Now> > > > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the> > > > Tropical & > > > > > > > > sidereal systems.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 'hope it helps.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > ** > > <%40>> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > [ > > <%40>> > > > > > <%40>] *On Behalf> > Of> > > > *amit> > > > > > > > desai> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM> > > > > > > > *To:* > > <%40>> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and> > > > > > Tropical Zodiac> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Amitji> > > > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical> > > > longitude> > > > > > > > of planets.> > > > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology> > > > b'cos> > > > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes> > every> > > > year.> > > > > > > > The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.> > > > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50""> > every> > > > year> > > > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.> > > > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point> > here> > > > is> > > > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This> > precession> > > > of> > > > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the> > > > distance> > > > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is> > > > > > > > 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.> > > > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every> > planet> > > > and> > > > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree> > will> > > > be> > > > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to> > Tropical> > > > birth> > > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2> > system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > warm regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Amit Desai*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > *To:* > > <%40>> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and> > Tropical> > > > Zodiac> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tropical is Western system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary> > > > positions> > > > > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the> > actual> > > > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%> > times> > > > in> > > > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One> > sign> > > > ahead).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The above is in simple language.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books> > on> > > > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in> > search.> > > > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a> > > > renowned> > > > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge> > > > imparted> > > > > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so> > let> > > > me> > > > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a> > formal> > > > > > training> > > > > > > > in these.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are> > interested> > > > in> > > > > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make> > charts> > > > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work> > will> > > > not go> > > > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1> > Degree> > > > change> > > > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a> > > > serious> > > > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own> > > > Chart).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *_Some good Books_*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor> > (Ranjan> > > > Pub).*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin> > > > with,> > > > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for> > understanding> > > > > > basic> > > > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through> > Theory> > > > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools> > and> > > > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share> > with> > > > us> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > you get these.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold> > back,> > > > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "amit.baid"> > > > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between> > > > Tropical> > > > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no> > > > problem> > > > > > > > at all. I will learn that.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards / Amit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages> > of> > > > both> > > > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people> > normally> > > > dont> > > > > > believe> > > > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign> > > > astrological> > > > > > authors> > > > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a> > book> > > > > > on these,> > > > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in> > > > application> > > > > > > > of both> > > > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of> > approach> > > > in> > > > > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,> > > > Japa> > > > > > > > Yoga, Raj> > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But> > to> > > > read and> > > > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic> > > > > > > > representations> > > > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about> > > > this.> > > > > > With few> > > > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "amit.baid"> > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on> > Sidereal> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Amit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New> > > > > > Delhi, India. 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April 13, 2010

Dear Bhaskar JI,

//Your reply is apparently specifically pointed

at me. So let me explain. I am not here to give lessons on Western

astrology to you as you ahve been demanding me for Indian astrology

too, since few months. You are not paying me money to do this. I am not

anybody's servant to express what I have learnt.//

I apologies If you feel It is pointed at you...That was not intension

behind if anybody can look that....but yes sorry if you take and find i

hurt you....

I am not demanding lessons here (i know difference between lessons and

teaching)...rather i am sharing which i know....do not make it

personal...It does not remains discussions anymore...

Have I demanded Money from anybody....that is secondary...Have i asked

any more question to anybody since after if so sorry then for same...It

is meaningless to see such things as far as astrology is

concerned.....Make Astrology as Primary....

I never says anything without study first from my side....

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Bhaskar wrote:

// I was surprised since waiting does

anyone knows western here or not....at least people can express what

they have learned so far...thanks for reply to make thread inline //

Your reply is apparently specifically pointed

at me. So let me explain. I am not here to give lessons on Western

astrology to you as you ahve been demanding me for Indian astrology

too, since few months. You are not paying me money to do this. I am not

anybody's servant to express what I have learnt.

Secondly this is a Group of Ancinet Indian

astrology. Once in a while reference can be made to wetsern

astrological concepts, but cannot put a full fledged discussion ere.

The Moderators will be justified in throwing me out from here if they

do so and I will not be eligible to register a complaint too for part

has been specified clealry in the Forum Home Page. .

// western Astrology has nothing to do

with unmoving wheel....It is all about moving wheel....They never used

so called Nakshatra which are part of fixed wheel...at least i have not

encountered any use of that unmoving wheel into western moving

wheel....this does not mean that unmoving wheel is superior or moving

wheel superior...such thinking are absurd...//

But who has said that this wheel is

superior and that inferior ?

//western have provided a name Mansion...when

we understand that we find that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It

has nothing to do with Nakshatra....//

Study well before making such

comments.

//Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving

wheel Tropical Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for

whole 360 degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern

anybody can not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is

'arc' in all systems that tells why they are working since long time....

Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion

would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and

segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes

difference again there.....//

What gibberish is this.

Un-understandable what you are talking, what is there in your mind and

what you are expressing.

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear cjjohans JI,

>

> I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or

> not....at least people can express what they have learned so

> far...thanks for reply to make thread inline

>

> western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is

all

> about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which

are part

> of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that

> unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean

that

> unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such

thinking are

> absurd...

>

> western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we

find

> that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do

with

> Nakshatra....

>

> Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical

> Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360

> degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody

can

> not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc'

in all

> systems that tells why they are working since long time....

>

> Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western

Mansion

> would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28

and

> segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes

difference

> again there.....

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say

that they

> > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons

which also

> > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take

the easy

> > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from

Linda

> > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to

be done

> > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.

> >

> > <%40>,

"cjjohans"

> > cjjohans@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all.

They think on

> > average the tropical is more "scientific" as opposed to

religious or

> > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just

a weather

> > effect) was the first to use tropical.

> > >

> > <%40>,

"Bhaskar"

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars

of the Zodiac like

> > the

> > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most

fortunate in both

> > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a

corresponding name

> > by

> > > > the Westerners through their own approach of

loacting these in the

> > > > skies.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>,

devisigh

> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > > > > It appear but it is not, Both system are

different and gets

> > > > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know

Sign for

> > > > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does

not requires to know

> > Nakshatra

> > > > of

> > > > > planet.....

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Devisingh

> > > > >

> > > > > amit.baid wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars

(nakshtras) which define a

> > > > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet

in a particular star

> > should

> > > > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar

system but it turned

> > out

> > > > to

> > > > > > be a insight into various planets its

environment etc. This was

> > > > > > produced by "History Channel". Can

anybody suggest some other

> > DVD/CD

> > > > > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

devisigh

> > > > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and

Tropical Zodiac.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra

(start from

> > aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > > > > Prediction can be given by using

Sign chakra or Nakshatra

> > > > chakra......

> > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in

present in which sign right

> > > > > > now....while

> > > > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in

which Star (as star are

> > > > considered

> > > > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > > > > Steller Base prediction required to

check Planet is present in

> > > > which

> > > > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not

name)......Sign base

> > > > prediction

> > > > > > > required to check Planet is present

in which Sign(may be

> > Tantric

> > > > trend)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Devisingh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This sidereal & tropical

system originates from one single

> > > > > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some

fixed background

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure

the position of planets, we

> > need

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > point against which we can make

this measurement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In tropical system, the

position of Sun as it touches

> > equator or

> > > > > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of

Reference'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame

of reference' is some fixed

> > > > stars. Now

> > > > > > > > if you are

> > > > > > > > trying to make measurements

against these fixed stars, then

> > one

> > > > > > > > problem will

> > > > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its

axis while revolving round

> > the

> > > > Sun, it

> > > > > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > > > > backward.....which is

known as Precessional movement. This

> > is

> > > > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > > 50" per year. So, say today if

we observed Sun at some

> > > > point...then

> > > > > > > > again next

> > > > > > > > year, at the same date &

time if we look at the Sun, we will

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > > > > behind (by 50").

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This precessional movement over

the years has created enough

> > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal

observations due to different

> > 'frame

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > references'.

> > > > > > > > Among sidereal systems also,

some minor differences exist

> > due to

> > > > > > > > difference in

> > > > > > > > opinion about which particular

star to be taken as reference

> > > > point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both system showed same

planetary degrees probably in 285 AD

> > or

> > > > 197

> > > > > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5

degree.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are some good artciles in

Soulhealing.com about the

> > > > Tropical &

> > > > > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > > > **

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > [

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>]

*On Behalf

> > Of

> > > > *amit

> > > > > > > > desai

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010

10:35 AM

> > > > > > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re:

Re: Sidereal and

> > > > > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amitji

> > > > > > > > just to add little more to what

Bhaskarji said

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in sidereal astrology the

aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

> > > > longitude

> > > > > > > > of planets.

> > > > > > > > Tropical astrology is also

called moveable Zodiac astrology

> > > > b'cos

> > > > > > > > Aries point in this astrology

is not fixed and it changes

> > every

> > > > year.

> > > > > > > > The change is appro 50""

(seconds in longitude) per year.

> > > > > > > > The Aries point in tropical

astrology moves back by 50""

> > every

> > > > year

> > > > > > > > and is called Precession of

equinox.

> > > > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac

astrology and Aries point

> > here

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra

paksha asterism . This

> > precession

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in

sidereal astrology and the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa

which is

> > > > > > > > 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > > > > This amount is deducted from

Tropical longitude of every

> > planet

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal

longitude. Hence lagna degree

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in

Sidereal as compared to

> > Tropical

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > I hope this will help u

understand the diff. between 2

> > system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010

12:17:19 PM

> > > > > > > > *Subject:*

Re: Sidereal and

> > Tropical

> > > > Zodiac

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the

ayanamsha from the Planetary

> > > > positions

> > > > > > > > and then predict as to what

results would be obtianed .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct

the ayanamsha but take the

> > actual

> > > > > > > > position of the planets in the

sky as it is.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Indian system suppose your

Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%

> > times

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > the Western system the Lagna

would change to Gemini. (One

> > sign

> > > > ahead).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both systems work well in hands

of Experts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may

refer some elemntary books

> > on

> > > > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites

after putting these terms in

> > search.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately even after one

Graduates after 5 years from a

> > > > renowned

> > > > > > > > institution be it from Bombay

or Delhi, practical knowledge

> > > > imparted

> > > > > > > > to students is road side... One

has to fend for himself. so

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > > > tell you that you are not

missing much by not having a

> > formal

> > > > > > training

> > > > > > > > in these.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals

Ephemeris if you really are

> > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > learning the Western system.

You must also learn to make

> > charts

> > > > > > > > manually. I can vouch from

experience that this hard work

> > will

> > > > not go

> > > > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise

the importance of even 1

> > Degree

> > > > change

> > > > > > > > in your statistics once you

learn to do this (If You are a

> > > > serious

> > > > > > > > student of Astrology and not

here just for reading your own

> > > > Chart).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology of the Seers -

Frawley D.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology

- Rapheal*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Manual of Astrology -

Sepharial

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis -

Tierney B.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal

/Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An introduction to Astrology -

William Lily

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *All Class Books by the

Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by

Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer

by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical

Astrology by Deepak Kapoor

> > (Ranjan

> > > > Pub).*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are

those which you should begin

> > > > with,

> > > > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You may also look up on some

Videos on the Net for

> > understanding

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > Concepts from Books which one

cannot understand through

> > Theory

> > > > > > > > readingin Books and which they

do not teach in Big Schools

> > and

> > > > > > > > universities of Astrology or

Vidyalayas. And please share

> > with

> > > > us

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > you get these.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is

Knowledge Gained. Do not hold

> > back,

> > > > > > > > Never, when sharing what one

knows.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > "amit.baid"

> > > > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First I wish to understand

the actual difference between

> > > > Tropical

> > > > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of

equinox.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please suggest a good book

on above. REgarding symbols, no

> > > > problem

> > > > > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very rarely will you

find a single Book with advantages

> > of

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned at one

place. Because Sidereral people

> > normally

> > > > dont

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > > in application of

Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Its better if you

purchase some books by foreign

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > authors

> > > > > > > > > > and study on your

own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a

> > book

> > > > > > on these,

> > > > > > > > > > but as of now, not

ready for the same. I beleieve in

> > > > application

> > > > > > > > of both

> > > > > > > > > > and do not bear any

resentments to any systems of

> > approach

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > they are all leading

to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

> > > > Japa

> > > > > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga,

Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you

require names ogf good authors. But

> > to

> > > > read and

> > > > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you

must be well versant with symbolic

> > > > > > > > representations

> > > > > > > > > > of the planets,

Houses and aspects. Nothing great about

> > > > this.

> > > > > > With few

> > > > > > > > > > weeks practise it can

be done.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > "amit.baid"

> > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned

Fraternity,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a

good book to clarify concepts on

> > Sidereal

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This Message was sent from

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>

April 13, 2010

// Make Astrology as Primary//

Thats what I want to tell you. Thank You.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar JI,> > //Your reply is apparently specifically pointed at me. So let me > explain. I am not here to give lessons on Western astrology to you as > you ahve been demanding me for Indian astrology too, since few months. > You are not paying me money to do this. I am not anybody's servant to > express what I have learnt.//> > I apologies If you feel It is pointed at you...That was not intension > behind if anybody can look that....but yes sorry if you take and find i > hurt you....> I am not demanding lessons here (i know difference between lessons and > teaching)...rather i am sharing which i know....do not make it > personal...It does not remains discussions anymore...> > Have I demanded Money from anybody....that is secondary...Have i asked > any more question to anybody since after if so sorry then for same...It > is meaningless to see such things as far as astrology is > concerned.....Make Astrology as Primary....> > I never says anything without study first from my side....> ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > // I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or > > not....at least people can express what they have learned so > > far...thanks for reply to make thread inline //> > > > Your reply is apparently specifically pointed at me. So let me > > explain. I am not here to give lessons on Western astrology to you as > > you ahve been demanding me for Indian astrology too, since few months. > > You are not paying me money to do this. I am not anybody's servant to > > express what I have learnt.> > > > Secondly this is a Group of Ancinet Indian astrology. Once in a while > > reference can be made to wetsern astrological concepts, but cannot put > > a full fledged discussion ere. The Moderators will be justified in > > throwing me out from here if they do so and I will not be eligible to > > register a complaint too for part has been specified clealry in the > > Forum Home Page. .> > > > // western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is > > all about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which > > are part of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of > > that unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean > > that unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such > > thinking are absurd...//> > > > But who has said that this wheel is superior and that inferior ?> >> > //western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we > > find that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do > > with Nakshatra....//> > > > Study well before making such comments.> >> > //Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical > > Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360 > > degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can > > not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in > > all systems that tells why they are working since long time....> >> > Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion > > would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and > > segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference > > again there.....//> > > > What gibberish is this. Un-understandable what you are talking, what > > is there in your mind and what you are expressing.> >> >> > > >> > , devisigh > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear cjjohans JI,> > >> > > I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or> > > not....at least people can express what they have learned so> > > far...thanks for reply to make thread inline> > >> > > western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all> > > about moving wheel....They never used so called Nakshatra which are > > part> > > of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that> > > unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that> > > unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are> > > absurd...> > >> > > western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find> > > that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with> > > Nakshatra....> > >> > > Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical> > > Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360> > > degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can> > > not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in > > all> > > systems that tells why they are working since long time....> > >> > > Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion> > > would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and> > > segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference> > > again there.....> > >> > > ------------------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they> > > > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also> > > > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy> > > > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda> > > > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done> > > > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.> > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>, "cjjohans"> > > > cjjohans@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on> > > > average the tropical is more "scientific" as opposed to religious or> > > > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a > > weather> > > > effect) was the first to use tropical.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the > > Zodiac like> > > > the> > > > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate > > in both> > > > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a > > corresponding name> > > > by> > > > > > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the> > > > > > skies.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Aren't both interrelated?//> > > > > > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets> > > > > > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for> > > > > > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know> > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > of> > > > > > > planet.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > amit.baid wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which > > define a> > > > > > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star> > > > should> > > > > > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned> > > > out> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. > > This was> > > > > > > > produced by "History Channel". Can anybody suggest some other> > > > DVD/CD> > > > > > > > which explains these fundamentals.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards / Amit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > > > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from> > > > aries..)2)nakshatra> > > > > > > > chakra> > > > > > > > > (start from ashwini)........> > > > > > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra> > > > > > chakra......> > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right> > > > > > > > now....while> > > > > > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are> > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...> > > > > > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is > > present in> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base> > > > > > prediction> > > > > > > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be> > > > Tantric> > > > > > trend)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > To put it in simple language......> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single> > > > > > > > question, i.e.,> > > > > > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we> > > > need> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > reference> > > > > > > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches> > > > equator or> > > > > > > > > > tropic of cancer> > > > > > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed> > > > > > stars. Now> > > > > > > > > > if you are> > > > > > > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, > > then> > > > one> > > > > > > > > > problem will> > > > > > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round> > > > the> > > > > > Sun, it> > > > > > > > > > slightly slips> > > > > > > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > approximately> > > > > > > > > > 50" per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some> > > > > > point...then> > > > > > > > > > again next> > > > > > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, > > we will> > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > that it is slightly> > > > > > > > > > behind (by 50").> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created > > enough> > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different> > > > 'frame> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > references'.> > > > > > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist> > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as > > reference> > > > > > point.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in > > 285 AD> > > > or> > > > > > 197> > > > > > > > > > AD. Now> > > > > > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the> > > > > > Tropical & > > > > > > > > > > sidereal systems.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 'hope it helps.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > > [ > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > <%40>] *On > > Behalf> > > > Of> > > > > > *amit> > > > > > > > > > desai> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > *To:* > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and> > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Amitji> > > > > > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from > > Tropical> > > > > > longitude> > > > > > > > > > of planets.> > > > > > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac > > astrology> > > > > > b'cos> > > > > > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes> > > > every> > > > > > year.> > > > > > > > > > The change is appro 50"" (seconds in longitude) per year.> > > > > > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50""> > > > every> > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.> > > > > > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point> > > > here> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This> > > > precession> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the> > > > > > distance> > > > > > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is> > > > > > > > > > 23*59"49"" as of jan 1st 2010.> > > > > > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every> > > > planet> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna > > degree> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to> > > > Tropical> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2> > > > system.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > warm regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Amit Desai*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> > > > > > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > *To:* > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and> > > > Tropical> > > > > > Zodiac> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Tropical is Western system.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the > > Planetary> > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the> > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%> > > > times> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One> > > > sign> > > > > > ahead).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The above is in simple language.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books> > > > on> > > > > > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in> > > > search.> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years > > from a> > > > > > renowned> > > > > > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical > > knowledge> > > > > > imparted> > > > > > > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for > > himself. so> > > > let> > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a> > > > formal> > > > > > > > training> > > > > > > > > > in these.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are> > > > interested> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make> > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work> > > > will> > > > > > not go> > > > > > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1> > > > Degree> > > > > > change> > > > > > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a> > > > > > serious> > > > > > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading > > your own> > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *_Some good Books_*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan > > Leo/Jacobson> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar > > Pub.)*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor> > > > (Ranjan> > > > > > Pub).*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should > > begin> > > > > > with,> > > > > > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for> > > > understanding> > > > > > > > basic> > > > > > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through> > > > Theory> > > > > > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share> > > > with> > > > > > us> > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > > you get these.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold> > > > back,> > > > > > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "amit.baid"> > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between> > > > > > Tropical> > > > > > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding > > symbols, no> > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > at all. I will learn that.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards / Amit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with > > advantages> > > > of> > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people> > > > normally> > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > believe> > > > > > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign> > > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > authors> > > > > > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may > > write a> > > > book> > > > > > > > on these,> > > > > > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in> > > > > > application> > > > > > > > > > of both> > > > > > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of> > > > approach> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti > > Yoga,> > > > > > Japa> > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Raj> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But> > > > to> > > > > > read and> > > > > > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with > > symbolic> > > > > > > > > > representations> > > > > > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great > > about> > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > With few> > > > > > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "amit.baid"> > > > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on> > > > Sidereal> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging > > Gateway, New> > > > > > > > Delhi, India. 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April 14, 2010

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear cjjohans JI,

>

> I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or

> not....at least people can express what they have learned so

> far...thanks for reply to make thread inline

>

> western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all

> about moving wheel....

Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed zodiac. The

others even choose to ignore that the first western astrologers (like Valens)

used fixed zodiac. But I will grant to Bhaskar that most are at least aware of

the issue, but go with the flow.

They never used so called Nakshatra which are part

> of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that

> unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that

> unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are

> absurd...

>

> western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find

> that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with

> Nakshatra....

>

Actually Westerners use both systems for mansions, so that says something about

their confusion on the issue

http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/mansionsmoon.html

> Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical

> Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360

> degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can

> not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in all

> systems that tells why they are working since long time....

>

Western astrology almost went extinct in the 18th century, so I'm not sure one

can say it's working perfectly. (Of course that was not entirely the fault of

the astrology, the increased science happened too.)

> Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion

> would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and

> segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference

> again there.....

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they

> > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also

> > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy

> > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda

> > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done

> > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.

> >

> > <%40>, " cjjohans "

> > <cjjohans@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on

> > average the tropical is more " scientific " as opposed to religious or

> > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a weather

> > effect) was the first to use tropical.

> > >

> > <%40>, " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like

> > the

> > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both

> > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name

> > by

> > > > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the

> > > > skies.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > <%40>, devisigh

> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > > > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

> > > > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> > > > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know

> > Nakshatra

> > > > of

> > > > > planet.....

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Devisingh

> > > > >

> > > > > amit.baid wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which define a

> > > > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular star

> > should

> > > > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it turned

> > out

> > > > to

> > > > > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc. This was

> > > > > > produced by " History Channel " . Can anybody suggest some other

> > DVD/CD

> > > > > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, devisigh

> > > > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from

> > aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or Nakshatra

> > > > chakra......

> > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign right

> > > > > > now....while

> > > > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star are

> > > > considered

> > > > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is present in

> > > > which

> > > > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign base

> > > > prediction

> > > > > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be

> > Tantric

> > > > trend)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Devisingh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one single

> > > > > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets, we

> > need

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches

> > equator or

> > > > > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some fixed

> > > > stars. Now

> > > > > > > > if you are

> > > > > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars, then

> > one

> > > > > > > > problem will

> > > > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving round

> > the

> > > > Sun, it

> > > > > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement. This

> > is

> > > > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

> > > > point...then

> > > > > > > > again next

> > > > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun, we will

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > > > > behind (by 50 " ).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created enough

> > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to different

> > 'frame

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > references'.

> > > > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences exist

> > due to

> > > > > > > > difference in

> > > > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as reference

> > > > point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in 285 AD

> > or

> > > > 197

> > > > > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about the

> > > > Tropical &

> > > > > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > > > **

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > [

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>] *On Behalf

> > Of

> > > > *amit

> > > > > > > > desai

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > > > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal and

> > > > > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amitji

> > > > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from Tropical

> > > > longitude

> > > > > > > > of planets.

> > > > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac astrology

> > > > b'cos

> > > > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it changes

> > every

> > > > year.

> > > > > > > > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per year.

> > > > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by 50 " "

> > every

> > > > year

> > > > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries point

> > here

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This

> > precession

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > > > > > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of every

> > planet

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna degree

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to

> > Tropical

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2

> > system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -------------------------

> > > > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > *To:*

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and

> > Tropical

> > > > Zodiac

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the Planetary

> > > > positions

> > > > > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take the

> > actual

> > > > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in 99%

> > times

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini. (One

> > sign

> > > > ahead).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary books

> > on

> > > > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms in

> > search.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years from a

> > > > renowned

> > > > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical knowledge

> > > > imparted

> > > > > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for himself. so

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a

> > formal

> > > > > > training

> > > > > > > > in these.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are

> > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to make

> > charts

> > > > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard work

> > will

> > > > not go

> > > > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even 1

> > Degree

> > > > change

> > > > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You are a

> > > > serious

> > > > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading your own

> > > > Chart).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan Leo/Jacobson

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar Pub.)*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor

> > (Ranjan

> > > > Pub).*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should begin

> > > > with,

> > > > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for

> > understanding

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand through

> > Theory

> > > > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big Schools

> > and

> > > > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please share

> > with

> > > > us

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > you get these.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not hold

> > back,

> > > > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference between

> > > > Tropical

> > > > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding symbols, no

> > > > problem

> > > > > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with advantages

> > of

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people

> > normally

> > > > dont

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > authors

> > > > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may write a

> > book

> > > > > > on these,

> > > > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve in

> > > > application

> > > > > > > > of both

> > > > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of

> > approach

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti Yoga,

> > > > Japa

> > > > > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors. But

> > to

> > > > read and

> > > > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with symbolic

> > > > > > > > representations

> > > > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great about

> > > > this.

> > > > > > With few

> > > > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on

> > Sidereal

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic

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>

April 14, 2010

Dear Johans,

Western astrology of the Fixed Stars is a great extra input for those

who can study it and gain from same. For instance if one checks the role

of the Fixed Star Spica in Amitabh Bachhans Birth Chart, one would

realise why he is, as he is. I can give more inputs on some more

prominent personalities of India and the world but this is not the time

to do so...

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " cjjohans "

<cjjohans wrote:

>

> , devisigh

devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear cjjohans JI,

> >

> > I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or

> > not....at least people can express what they have learned so

> > far...thanks for reply to make thread inline

> >

> > western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all

> > about moving wheel....

>

> Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed

zodiac. The others even choose to ignore that the first western

astrologers (like Valens) used fixed zodiac. But I will grant to Bhaskar

that most are at least aware of the issue, but go with the flow.

>

> They never used so called Nakshatra which are part

> > of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that

> > unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that

> > unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking

are

> > absurd...

> >

> > western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we

find

> > that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with

> > Nakshatra....

> >

> Actually Westerners use both systems for mansions, so that says

something about their confusion on the issue

> http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/mansionsmoon.html

>

> > Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical

> > Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360

> > degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody

can

> > not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in

all

> > systems that tells why they are working since long time....

> >

> Western astrology almost went extinct in the 18th century, so I'm not

sure one can say it's working perfectly. (Of course that was not

entirely the fault of the astrology, the increased science happened

too.)

>

> > Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion

> > would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and

> > segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference

> > again there.....

> >

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that

they

> > > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which

also

> > > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the

easy

> > > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from

Linda

> > > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be

done

> > > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.

> > >

> > > <%40>, " cjjohans "

> > > <cjjohans@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think

on

> > > average the tropical is more " scientific " as opposed to religious

or

> > > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a

weather

> > > effect) was the first to use tropical.

> > > >

> > > <%40>, " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the

Zodiac like

> > > the

> > > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate

in both

> > > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a

corresponding name

> > > by

> > > > > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in

the

> > > > > skies.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > <%40>, devisigh

> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Aren't both interrelated?//

> > > > > > It appear but it is not, Both system are different and gets

> > > > > > mixed...Nakshatra system not requires to know Sign for

> > > > > > Prediction...likewise Sign system does not requires to know

> > > Nakshatra

> > > > > of

> > > > > > planet.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Devisingh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > amit.baid wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aren't both interrelated? It is stars (nakshtras) which

define a

> > > > > > > zodiac. Therefore, position of a planet in a particular

star

> > > should

> > > > > > > corroborate with the zodiac sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have got a DVD on the planets and solar system but it

turned

> > > out

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be a insight into various planets its environment etc.

This was

> > > > > > > produced by " History Channel " . Can anybody suggest some

other

> > > DVD/CD

> > > > > > > which explains these fundamentals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

devisigh

> > > > > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Amit JI,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Consider two chakra 1)Sign chakra (start from

> > > aries..)2)nakshatra

> > > > > > > chakra

> > > > > > > > (start from ashwini)........

> > > > > > > > Prediction can be given by using Sign chakra or

Nakshatra

> > > > > chakra......

> > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac tells Planet in present in which sign

right

> > > > > > > now....while

> > > > > > > > Sidereal tell planets are present in which Star (as star

are

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > as not moving frame of reference)...

> > > > > > > > Steller Base prediction required to check Planet is

present in

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > Star.(may be Vedic tradition can not name)......Sign

base

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > > required to check Planet is present in which Sign(may be

> > > Tantric

> > > > > trend)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Devisingh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chakraborty, PL wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Amit-ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To put it in simple language......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This sidereal & tropical system originates from one

single

> > > > > > > question, i.e.,

> > > > > > > > > 'Frame of Reference' or some fixed background

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In sky, if we have to measure the position of planets,

we

> > > need

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > point against which we can make this measurement.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In tropical system, the position of Sun as it touches

> > > equator or

> > > > > > > > > tropic of cancer

> > > > > > > > > etc. are taken as 'Frame of Reference'.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In sidereal system, the 'frame of reference' is some

fixed

> > > > > stars. Now

> > > > > > > > > if you are

> > > > > > > > > trying to make measurements against these fixed stars,

then

> > > one

> > > > > > > > > problem will

> > > > > > > > > arise. As earth rotates on its axis while revolving

round

> > > the

> > > > > Sun, it

> > > > > > > > > slightly slips

> > > > > > > > > backward.....which is known as Precessional movement.

This

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > > > 50 " per year. So, say today if we observed Sun at some

> > > > > point...then

> > > > > > > > > again next

> > > > > > > > > year, at the same date & time if we look at the Sun,

we will

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > that it is slightly

> > > > > > > > > behind (by 50 " ).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This precessional movement over the years has created

enough

> > > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > between Tropical & Sidereal observations due to

different

> > > 'frame

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > references'.

> > > > > > > > > Among sidereal systems also, some minor differences

exist

> > > due to

> > > > > > > > > difference in

> > > > > > > > > opinion about which particular star to be taken as

reference

> > > > > point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both system showed same planetary degrees probably in

285 AD

> > > or

> > > > > 197

> > > > > > > > > AD. Now

> > > > > > > > > they are apart by roughly 23.5 degree.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are some good artciles in Soulhealing.com about

the

> > > > > Tropical &

> > > > > > > > > sidereal systems.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 'hope it helps.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > > > > > >

-------------------------

> > > > > > > > > **

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > [

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>] *On

Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > *amit

> > > > > > > > > desai

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 10:35 AM

> > > > > > > > > *To:*

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sidereal

and

> > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amitji

> > > > > > > > > just to add little more to what Bhaskarji said

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in sidereal astrology the aynamsa is deducted from

Tropical

> > > > > longitude

> > > > > > > > > of planets.

> > > > > > > > > Tropical astrology is also called moveable Zodiac

astrology

> > > > > b'cos

> > > > > > > > > Aries point in this astrology is not fixed and it

changes

> > > every

> > > > > year.

> > > > > > > > > The change is appro 50 " " (seconds in longitude) per

year.

> > > > > > > > > The Aries point in tropical astrology moves back by

50 " "

> > > every

> > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > and is called Precession of equinox.

> > > > > > > > > Sidereal is called Fixed Zodiac astrology and Aries

point

> > > here

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > fixed correspondig to chitra paksha asterism . This

> > > precession

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > equinox is called Ayan gati in sidereal astrology and

the

> > > > > distance

> > > > > > > > > moved so far is called Ayanamsa which is

> > > > > > > > > 23*59 " 49 " " as of jan 1st 2010.

> > > > > > > > > This amount is deducted from Tropical longitude of

every

> > > planet

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > house cusp to derive Sidereal longitude. Hence lagna

degree

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > different by Aynamsa amount in Sidereal as compared to

> > > Tropical

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > I hope this will help u understand the diff. between 2

> > > system.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > warm regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Amit Desai*

> > > > > > > > >

-------------------------

> > > > > > > > > ** Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > *To:*

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 12:17:19 PM

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Sidereal and

> > > Tropical

> > > > > Zodiac

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sidereal is Indian system.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tropical is Western system.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Indian system we deduct the ayanamsha from the

Planetary

> > > > > positions

> > > > > > > > > and then predict as to what results would be obtianed

..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Tropical they dont deduct the ayanamsha but take

the

> > > actual

> > > > > > > > > position of the planets in the sky as it is.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Indian system suppose your Lagna is Taurus, then in

99%

> > > times

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the Western system the Lagna would change to Gemini.

(One

> > > sign

> > > > > ahead).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The above is in simple language.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both systems work well in hands of Experts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For shifting of Equinox You may refer some elemntary

books

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > Astronomy or some web sites after putting these terms

in

> > > search.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately even after one Graduates after 5 years

from a

> > > > > renowned

> > > > > > > > > institution be it from Bombay or Delhi, practical

knowledge

> > > > > imparted

> > > > > > > > > to students is road side... One has to fend for

himself. so

> > > let

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > tell you that you are not missing much by not having a

> > > formal

> > > > > > > training

> > > > > > > > > in these.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You must buy a Rapheals Ephemeris if you really are

> > > interested

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > learning the Western system. You must also learn to

make

> > > charts

> > > > > > > > > manually. I can vouch from experience that this hard

work

> > > will

> > > > > not go

> > > > > > > > > waste and you would recogbnise the importance of even

1

> > > Degree

> > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > in your statistics once you learn to do this (If You

are a

> > > > > serious

> > > > > > > > > student of Astrology and not here just for reading

your own

> > > > > Chart).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *_Some good Books_*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology of the Seers - Frawley D.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *The Key and Guide to Astrology - Rapheal*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Manual of Astrology - Sepharial

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dynamics of Aspects analysis - Tierney B.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Horary Astrology- Rapheal /Simmonite W.J./Alan

Leo/Jacobson

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > An introduction to Astrology - William Lily

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *All Books by Alan Leo*.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *All Class Books by the Professors of BVB, Bombay.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *The Horoscope in detail by Alan Leo and H.S.Green*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Basic Astronomy for Astrologer by Deepak Nair (Sagar

Pub.)*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Astronomy and Methematical Astrology by Deepak Kapoor

> > > (Ranjan

> > > > > Pub).*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Books mentioned in Bold are those which you should

begin

> > > > > with,

> > > > > > > > > first. And they are not Fat.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You may also look up on some Videos on the Net for

> > > understanding

> > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > Concepts from Books which one cannot understand

through

> > > Theory

> > > > > > > > > readingin Books and which they do not teach in Big

Schools

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > universities of Astrology or Vidyalayas. And please

share

> > > with

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > you get these.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > remember Knowledge Shared is Knowledge Gained. Do not

hold

> > > back,

> > > > > > > > > Never, when sharing what one knows.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First I wish to understand the actual difference

between

> > > > > Tropical

> > > > > > > > > and Sidereal and shifting of equinox.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please suggest a good book on above. REgarding

symbols, no

> > > > > problem

> > > > > > > > > at all. I will learn that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards / Amit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Very rarely will you find a single Book with

advantages

> > > of

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned at one place. Because Sidereral people

> > > normally

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > > > in application of Tropical and viceversa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Its better if you purchase some books by foreign

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > authors

> > > > > > > > > > > and study on your own. maybe in 3-4 years I may

write a

> > > book

> > > > > > > on these,

> > > > > > > > > > > but as of now, not ready for the same. I beleieve

in

> > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > of both

> > > > > > > > > > > and do not bear any resentments to any systems of

> > > approach

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > they are all leading to the same God, be it Bhakti

Yoga,

> > > > > Japa

> > > > > > > > > Yoga, Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you require names ogf good authors.

But

> > > to

> > > > > read and

> > > > > > > > > > > udnerstand these, you must be well versant with

symbolic

> > > > > > > > > representations

> > > > > > > > > > > of the planets, Houses and aspects. Nothing great

about

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > With few

> > > > > > > > > > > weeks practise it can be done.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > > " amit.baid "

> > > > > > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts

on

> > > Sidereal

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Tropical Zodiac.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> >

>

April 14, 2010

Dear Devi Singh ji,//> Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed zodiac. The others even choose to ignore that the first western astrologers (like Valens) used fixed zodiac. But I will grant to Bhaskar

that most are at least aware of the issue, but go with the flow.// I agree completely with cjjohans ji's learned opinion. Please note that - * Westerners (many before Ptolemy and few after Ptolemy) used fixed zodiac. For example Hipparchus used a fixed zodiac (even though the Ayanamsa he used was different). Actually almost all astrologers before Ptolemy used only fixed zodiac and not the moving one. I am saying 'almost' only because, I am not certain howmany of them were aware of or using tropical zodiac at that time. But certainly at that time as well Tropical astrology was in existence in India (as evident from Vedas) and was in existence in Babylonia (as evident from clay tablets). Similarly used of Fixed zodiac (Sidereal astrology) was in existence in India (as evident from Surya Siddhanta and ancient rishi horas) and was in existence in Greek and many other parts of the western land (as evident from Hipparchus works and other ancient evidences). As cjjohans ji rightly puts it "there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed zodiac. The others even choose to ignore that the first western astrologers (like Valens) used fixed zodiac.". Right he is! The truth is - both Tropical Astrology as well as Sidereal astrology was in existence from ancient past; both the systems argue that one is better than the other; now we are in soup where it is difficult to understand which statement is said related to tropical astrology and which about sidereal astrology; the prediction statements made by astrologers of both these systems are mixed-up that much by the fools (like us) who followed! It is high time that this mistake is corrected. * When C J Johans ji states that - "most are at least aware of the issue, but go with the flow", then I cannot but agree, because numerous people in this group are well aware that - 1) Ancient Western astrology supported and used fixed zodiac. Ancient Indian astrology supported and used both Tropical zodiac and Sidereal zodiac (i.e. Vedic followers used mainly Tropical zodiac, and Tantric followers Sidereal zodiac). The use of zodiac, Prakrit (old Sanskrit) like Indo-European languages, fixed zodiac, idol worship etc etc are a wide spread phenomenon spanning both Asia and European continents. (This would be true whether we speak about Central russian cultures, celts, sumerians, hittites, Babylonians, Crete, Minnovens, Mesopotomians, Assyrians, Zorashtrians or what ever). Ofcourse the same can be stated about Fir worship, Tropical zodiac etc as well. The history is a mix, and almost everywhere you will find Fixed (Sidereal) as well as Tropical Zodiac - in one cult or the other. 2) Most of us who practice Sidereal astrology in this group know well that Vedas contain large amount of Tropical astrology as well. But true, "people prefer to go with the flow"! In west - with Tropical astrology, and in East (in India) with Sidereal astrology. We are contaminating the directions by stating 'east' 'west' etc here Is there other directions?! Whether there is any directions or not - the Celtic (European), Mayan (Meso-american), Chineese (Eastern?) and Egyptian (Western?) astrology has lost its wealthy roots and now it is difficult to ascertain from the rudimentary fragments available, their depth or whether they were Sidereal or Tropical in essential nature or something else altogether! Going with the flow is easy - but let us not loss our true understandings about the reality while in that flow. The truth is not for the masses, not present in the opinion of the masses; but would be present only in the statement of the one who toiled to realize it; and he is certain to be unacceptable and rejected; destined to be remained with the few, the few that takes a different path! Note: Thanks to C J Johans ji, who usually writes a few lines only, but line that are pregnant with great understanding and knowledge. Thanks for expressing. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "cjjohans" <cjjohans wrote:>> > th> , devisigh devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> >> > Dear cjjohans JI,> > > > I was surprised since waiting does anyone knows western here or > > not....at least people can express what they have learned so > > far...thanks for reply to make thread inline> > > > western Astrology has nothing to do with unmoving wheel....It is all > > about moving wheel....> > Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed zodiac. The others even choose to ignore that the first western astrologers (like Valens) used fixed zodiac. But I will grant to Bhaskar that most are at least aware of the issue, but go with the flow.> > > They never used so called Nakshatra which are part > > of fixed wheel...at least i have not encountered any use of that > > unmoving wheel into western moving wheel....this does not mean that > > unmoving wheel is superior or moving wheel superior...such thinking are > > absurd...> > > > western have provided a name Mansion...when we understand that we find > > that this is a 7th segment of 90 degree...It has nothing to do with > > Nakshatra....> > > Actually Westerners use both systems for mansions, so that says something about their confusion on the issue> http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/mansionsmoon.html> > > > Mansion start with Aries sign which is moving wheel Tropical > > Zpdiac....28 segment are marked start with Aries for whole 360 > > degree...I do not understand as far as prediction concern anybody can > > not see any complimentary system as a whole...I see what is 'arc' in all > > systems that tells why they are working since long time....> > > Western astrology almost went extinct in the 18th century, so I'm not sure one can say it's working perfectly. (Of course that was not entirely the fault of the astrology, the increased science happened too.)> > > > Nakshatra from sidereal system is Moola then as per western Mansion > > would be nearly more then 2-3 from that...since they consider 28 and > > segment are different...and yes momement in equinox makes difference > > again there.....> > > > ------------------> > Regards,> > Devisingh> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > > >> > >> > > I am studying this since last 2 Years so am qualified to say that they> > > KNOW. Those who are not using it, is for the simple reasons which also> > > matches what most of Indian astrologers too do, that is, take the easy> > > way out, and read results of planets in signs or houses, from Linda> > > Goodmans, or other books in India, which requires no study to be done> > > BUT just simple verbal recitation from books to be done.> > >> > > > > > <%40>, "cjjohans"> > > <cjjohans@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Most Westerners don't use stars or nakshatras at all. They think on> > > average the tropical is more "scientific" as opposed to religious or> > > mystical. Ptolemy (a scientist who believed astrology is just a weather> > > effect) was the first to use tropical.> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The Westerners are quite aware of the Fixed Stars of the Zodiac like> > > the> > > > > Chitra or the Spica which is considered to be most fortunate in both> > > > > systems. Every Nakshatra of ours has been given a corresponding name> > > by> > > > > the Westerners through their own approach of loacting these in the> > > > > skies.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

April 14, 2010

Dear Amit, For Sidereal astrology (I mean Nirayana astrology and NOT stellar astrology) read some good book on Indian astrology. (There are many in the market) For Tropical astrology (I mean Tropical astrology and NOT Sayana astrology) please read some good book on Western astrology. (There are many in the market). Please note that - * Sidereal astrology itself is neither eastern or western. (Many ancient Hellenistic astrologer followed Sidereal - i.e. fixed zodiac - system); similarly * Tropical astrology itself is neither eastern or western. (Many ancient Indian texts such as Vedsa refer to the extensive use of tropical astrology). It is just that later Sidereal astrology was seriously taken up by Indians and Tropical astrology by Westerners (Europeans and modern day Americans). Hope this helps.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "amit.baid" <amit.baid wrote:>> Dear Learned Fraternity,> > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac.> > Regards> > Amit>

April 14, 2010

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Sidereal is Nirayan is Stellar is Eastern. We knew about the 12 Spokes

of the wheel, But did not use Raashis in the ancient times for

Prediction purposes, except Nakshatras .

Tropical is Sayana is Western because we in East do not follow it these

days.

The words mentioned as Directions are denoted as Eastern or Western only

to bifercate the regions which use in Majority Tropical or Sidereal.

Sayana was the Ancient astrology of India. But no more.

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Amit,

> For Sidereal astrology (I mean Nirayana astrology and NOT stellar

> astrology) read some good book on Indian astrology. (There are many in

> the market)

> For Tropical astrology (I mean Tropical astrology and NOT Sayana

> astrology) please read some good book on Western astrology. (There are

> many in the market).

> Please note that -

> * Sidereal astrology itself is neither eastern or western. (Many

> ancient Hellenistic astrologer followed Sidereal - i.e. fixed zodiac -

> system); similarly

> * Tropical astrology itself is neither eastern or western. (Many

> ancient Indian texts such as Vedsa refer to the extensive use of

> tropical astrology).

> It is just that later Sidereal astrology was seriously taken up by

> Indians and Tropical astrology by Westerners (Europeans and modern day

> Americans).

> Hope this helps.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " amit.baid "

> amit.baid@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Learned Fraternity,

> >

> > Kindly suggest a good book to clarify concepts on Sidereal and

> Tropical Zodiac.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Amit

> >

>

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