Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

March 5, 2010

Dear Respected Bhaskar ji Thanks for ur advise rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,> > You have already given a beautiful explanation of the various reasons> why things could be diffrent even with the same karaka . It does not> require any further explanations. The problem here in this Group these> days is from pseudo-talkers who will make you comment on charts and then> comment on your comments. But they themselves would not do anything to> show what they have learnt and understood. Please be careful and do not> waste time . Time is valuable and costs money. Mostly people are looking> for inputs on charts of their close relatives or clients for free and> ask for comments on same without revealing that these are their clients> charts.> > Devisingh ji has just mentioned -> > // I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender> > required to be considered.....//> > I request him to explain the above statement, by putting two charts here> and share his explanations for the benefit of the readers to confirm his> above considerations.> > I also request the other Mr Dev (Axeplex) to xplain his hogher> mathematics how it can be used for predicting leak from water tanks.> > and how -10 and D-24 and other D Charts must be studied. What are the> principles. Hope he does put some analysis here with at least 1-5> charts. He has done enough big talking here. Now we want some stuff to> be coming in support of his big talking.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > dear devi singh ji> >> > As far as i am concerned i hav givn enough clarifications already> > according to ur questions raised by u> > now it is ur take on it> >> > So u r welcome to provide ur own observations> > as far as twins the way of reading a chart is diffrnt too> > so i welcome u to explain ur own understanding> > Also i request every one to provide when a chart reading queries> appears> > tho this cannot b termed so> >> > But always discuss with facts and figures as they is always more> things> > which we dont discuss here in one go in a mail tho we hav discussed> > Many things in in past ( may b in archives ) and so many other points> we> > hav refered frm time to time> >> > for exmple how many astrologers realy got informations abt omens> > happened during birth of a kid ???? ( i think we in grp hav discussed> > abt this in past )> >> > Even I hav discussed abt it personaly too in prvt mail with one of a> > senior memebr of this forum> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > , devisigh> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil JI,> > >> > > Thanks for clarification....you put nicely.....> > > Please clarify more....> > >> > > Lets have 2 charts Male/Female(we can take twin).....whether Jup as> > > Karaka makes some difference here??> > >> > > I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender> > > required to be considered.....please en light> > >> > > ------------------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > >> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > *> > > > Dear Devi singh ji> > > >> > > > sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings> > > >> > > > let me try to clarify it> > > >> > > > Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of> > > > brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv> > qualities> > > > where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known> as> > > > manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some> > > > strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic> > > > for lagna )> > > >> > > > and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for> > > > both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more> > > > prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged> to> > > > jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest> > > >> > > > That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup> > is> > > > supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body> )> > > > and mind> > > >> > > > hope i am clear now> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > * , devisigh> > > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Respected Sunil Ji,> > > > >> > > > > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva> > > > karaka //*> > > > >> > > > > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva> > karaka' ?> > > > > or prediction will be same.....please en light> > > > >> > > > > ------------------> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Devisingh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS> > > > > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt> > without> > > > > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > > > > >> > > > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and> varahmihira> > )abt> > > > > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost> > benefic too> > > > > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja> > yoga(> > > > > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra> > with> > > > > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv> > adhiyoga(> > > > > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8> frm> > moon> > > > > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places (> > 3/6/10/11).Most of> > > > > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is> > in> > > > > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > > > > >> > > > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts> > > > > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> > > > > >> > > > > > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology> as> > the> > > > > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing> by> > the> > > > > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences> as> > > > > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > > > > >> > > > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic> but> > when> > > > > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt> .(as> > it is> > > > > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers> > and> > > > > > steps in final declaring of results )> > > > > > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so> many> > good> > > > > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter> > and as> > > > > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too> .All> > this> > > > > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart> > and> > > > jup> > > > > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord> > and> > > > > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm> > Lagna too> > > > > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra> Lord> > and> > > > > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july> > 4th> > > > > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon> > afflicted> > > > > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > > > > >> > > > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too> > > > > >> > > > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for> some> > lagna> > > > > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial> > > > (materiasticaly> > > > > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav> more> > > > > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > > > > >> > > > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried> > earning> > > > > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore> .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > >> > > > > > November 4, 1973> > > > > > Time: 1:04:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > > > > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > > > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > > > > > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)> > > > > > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)> > > > > >> > > > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and> > > > > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality> > time is> > > > > > available> > > > > >> > > > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in> > proper> > > > manner> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > foot note (food for thought )> > > > > > -----------> > > > > >> > > > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and> jup> > > > in lagna> > > > > >> > > > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it> > > > > >> > > > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th> > > > > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th> > > > > >> > > > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same> is> > true> > > > > > with sri late BV Raman )> > > > > >> > > > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era )> > is> > > > > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna> > > > > >> > > > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP> > > > > >> > > > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and> > dhanur> > > > Lagna> > > > > >> > > > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup> > > > > >> > > > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP> > > > > >> > > > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later> Diwan> > of> > > > > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the> > princely> > > > > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th> > JUP.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > > > >> > > > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > > > >> > > > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > > > > >> > > > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > * , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But> > then> > > > why is> > > > > > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then> attributed> > to> > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not> > allow a> > > > > > > male child ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is> the> > > > Lord of> > > > > > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As> a> > > > benfic> > > > > > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet> > > > aspecting ?> > > > > > > ]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 5, 2010

Sriramji You got a raja yoga- Darma-karmatipati yoga in kendras.Baskarji said jup in kendra and own house cancels doshas.High qua. itself a boon,Is it not?CheersregardsSenthil --- On Thu, 4/3/10, sriram medepalli <dikki52 wrote:sriram medepalli <dikki52Re: Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 10:27 PM

I have Saturn 4 Degrees retrogade in kanya and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena - Saturn is 4th from lagna.I think it is a sin and only I knoew what a useless life despite being highly qualified.Sriram Medepalli--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 4 March,

2010, 6:55 PM

Dear Devi singh ji sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings let me try to clarify it Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic for lagna ) and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and

mind hope i am clear now rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Respected Sunil Ji,> > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka //*> > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ? > or prediction will be same.....please en light> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji> >> > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> >> > All rishies were

unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> >> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts> > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >> > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the >

> jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> >> > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and > > steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and >

> navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> >> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too> >> > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> >> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> >>

>> > Natal Chart> >> > November 4, 1973> > Time: 1:04:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > Delhi, India> >> >> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> >> > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)> >> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas

and > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is > > available> >> > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> >> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna> >> > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it> >> > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th> > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th> >> > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true > > with sri late BV Raman )> >> > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th> >> > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

> > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna> >> > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna> >> > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP> >> > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna> >> > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup> >> > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP> >> > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> >> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> >> >

Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > *ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > >> > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

aspecting ?> > > ]> > >> > > Same for Saturn...> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> >> >>

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March 5, 2010

Dear Udupa JI,

Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to

accept/reject that is upto you

//It is quite probably addition

of two oranges and two apples.//

I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such

calculations....since they are different Math too takes them as

different and treat them as separate/different.....

As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case no

issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....

I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in

mathematic.........

Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due

to MATH.....

1 rupees=100paise

1 rupees=10paise * 10paise

[since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]

1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees

1 rupees=0.01 rupees

[since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]

1 rupees=1 paise

Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person

who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Guru wrote:

In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite

probably addition of two oranges and two apples.

Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as

a benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to

happen. That is how I understand.

Udupa

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil

nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

Respected Sir

In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that

Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of

the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

regards

Senthil

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

Dear Friends,

They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

male child ?

And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

]

Same for Saturn...

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March 5, 2010

Dear Devisingh-ji,

1 Rupee = 10 paise * 10........not 10 paise*10 paise

One can not multiply paise with paise....if done, the unit would be sqr paise .... not paise.

The fundamentals, if not understood, will give erroneous results.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of devisighFriday, March 05, 2010 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Dear Udupa JI,Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to accept/reject that is upto you//It is quite probably addition of two oranges and two apples.//I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such calculations....since they are different Math too takes them as different and treat them as separate/different.....As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case no issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in mathematic.........Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due to MATH.....1 rupees=100paise1 rupees=10paise * 10paise [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees1 rupees=0.01 rupees [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]1 rupees=1 paise Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific ------------------ Regards, DevisinghGuru wrote:

In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably addition of two oranges and two apples.

Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as a benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to happen. That is how I understand.

Udupa

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Respected Sir In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.regardsSenthil --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

Dear Friends,They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why isMalignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow amale child ?And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord ofthe 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benficplanet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?]Same for Saturn...regards/Bhaskar.

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March 5, 2010

Is this an astrology forum or a one on Maths ? I am in quite confused

state now....

Bhaskar.

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Devisingh-ji,

>

> 1 Rupee = 10 paise * 10........not 10 paise*10 paise

>

> One can not multiply paise with paise....if done, the unit would be

sqr paise .... not paise.

>

> The fundamentals, if not understood, will give erroneous results.

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of devisigh

> Friday, March 05, 2010 12:53 PM

>

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

>

> Dear Udupa JI,

>

> Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to

accept/reject that is upto you

>

> //It is quite probably addition

>

> of two oranges and two apples.//

>

> I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such

calculations....since they are different Math too takes them as

different and treat them as separate/different.....

> As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case

no issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....

> I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in

mathematic.........

>

> Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due

to MATH.....

>

> 1 rupees=100paise

> 1 rupees=10paise * 10paise

> [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]

> 1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees

> 1 rupees=0.01 rupees

> [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]

> 1 rupees=1 paise

>

> Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person

who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Guru wrote:

>

> In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably addition

of two oranges and two apples.

>

> Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as a

benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to

happen. That is how I understand.

> Udupa

>

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan

jpshelters<jpshelters wrote:

>

> Respected Sir

> In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of

jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> regards

> Senthil

>

> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish

> Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> To:

<\

@

> Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> male child ?

>

> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting

?

> ]

>

> Same for Saturn...

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

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March 5, 2010

Dear Chakraborty JI,

//The fundamentals, if not understood, will give erroneous

results.//

You got...Yes, same is conveyed in

example....that is what i want to convey.....

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Chakraborty, PL wrote:

Dear Devisingh-ji,

1 Rupee = 10 paise *

10........not 10 paise*10 paise

One can not multiply paise with

paise....if done, the unit would be sqr paise .... not paise.

The fundamentals, if not

understood, will give erroneous results.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of devisigh

Friday, March 05, 2010 12:53 PM

Re: Jupiter and

Saturns aspect...

Dear Udupa JI,

Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to

accept/reject that is upto you

//It is quite probably addition

of two oranges and two apples.//

I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such

calculations....since they are different Math too takes them as

different and treat them as separate/different.....

As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case no

issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....

I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in

mathematic.........

Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due

to MATH.....

1 rupees=100paise

1 rupees=10paise * 10paise

[since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]

1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees

1 rupees=0.01 rupees

[since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]

1 rupees=1 paise

Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person

who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

Guru wrote:

In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite

probably addition of two oranges and two apples.

Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as

a benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to

happen. That is how I understand.

Udupa

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil

nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

Respected Sir

In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that

Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of

the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

regards

Senthil

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

Dear Friends,

They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

male child ?

And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

]

Same for Saturn...

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March 5, 2010

Dear Suprakash ji,

Thanks for the inputs. They are perfectly in Order.

I normally avoid the KP discussions and the terms Subs etc, in this

Group, since we are primarily dealing and exchanging with the

Traditional Astrology and Astrologers here, so do not wish to appear

different, or sound alien to the matter under discussions.

And there is much to learn in Traditional Astrology too, which cannot be

done even if given few Life times.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Suprakash Ghosh "

<suprakash.ghosh wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Being a KP scholar, I think the answer is known to you.

>

> Check the sub position of Jupiter.

> If connected to 1,6,8,12 ==>> Jupiter is malefic for health related

issues.

> If connected to 2,5,8,12==>> Jupiter is malafic for financial matters.

> If connected to 2,7,badhaka ==> Jupiter will be instrumental to stop

one's life.

>

> The flavour of results will be modified according to the tatwa and

properties of the Rasi where JUP and its starlord posited.

>

> Etc....

>

> Regards

>

> Suprakash

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:45 AM

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

>

> Dear Shri Senthil ji,

>

> The Yogas in our Traditional astrology is a reservoir of knowledge

> actually. If one understans the underlying logic and principles behind

> them, then one does not actually have to search for Yogas in a Janma

> Kundli, for predictions.

>

> // Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very

> good

> >

> > to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. " =It is new to me//

>

> If You check the principle behind the Gajakesari Yoga, you will

> understand that the same principle applies here too. This may not be a

> Gajkesari Yoga by definition, but effects would be near to equal..

>

> //> What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it

remove

> dosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in

> 2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is very

> good.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.//

>

> In this case I believe Jupiter may be retrograde, therefore will also

> throw its glance from one more house behind and on its exaltation

sign,

> the Lagna too.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , senthil nathan

> jpshelters@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Baskerji

> > Â Â " Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also

> be very good

> >

> > to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. " =It is new to me.Thanks

> > Â Â I am just a beginner in astro.

> > What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it remove

> dosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in

> 2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is very

> good.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.

> > Thanks a lot

> > Senthil

> >

> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > Re: Jupiter and Saturns

aspect...

> >

> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 10:14 AM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Dear Shri Senthil ji,

> >

> > Jupiter in Kendra and if well placed (Own , friendly or Mooltrikona

or

> >

> > friendly sign)yes should be powerful to ward off many evil effects

in

> >

> > natives Life.

> >

> > About conjunction I would differ in my views. This may depend on the

> >

> > planet under consideration. For example with Saturn it would tend to

> >

> > reduce the malefic effects generally attributed to Saturn, and also

> >

> > remove attachment towards human relations, from that persons mind,

> which

> >

> > is a must for spirituality. This would also depend on the condition

of

> >

> > the planet with which Jupiter is conjunct.

> >

> > Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very

good

> >

> > to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. Of course conjunction in a

> evil

> >

> > house from where Jupiter cannot throw its benign glance on any

Kendara

> >

> > houses or Lagna, would make no sense . These are my views. Experts

> >

> > including you may or may not difer, does not matter.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan

> >

> > <jpshelters@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Respected Sir

> >

> > > Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã,

> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã,

> >

> > In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

> >

> > alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the

lordship

> of

> >

> > jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> >

> > > regards

> >

> > > Senthil

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> >

> > > Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

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> >

> > > Dear Friends,

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then

why

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

> >

> > Jupiter

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow

a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > male child ?

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the

Lord

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a

> benfic

> >

> > >

> >

> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

> aspecting

> >

> > ?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ]

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Same for Saturn...

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > >

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March 5, 2010

Bhaskar ji

5 rupaiyya 12 aana ... marega bhaiyya .. na na na

mauj lo yaar....

Mouji Ram

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 1:40:45 PM Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Is this an astrology forum or a one on Maths ? I am in quite confusedstate now....Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chakraborty, PL"<CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Devisingh-ji,>> 1 Rupee = 10 paise * 10........not 10 paise*10 paise>> One can not multiply paise with paise....if done, the unit would besqr paise .... not paise.>> The fundamentals, if not understood, will give erroneous results.>>> regards>> Chakraborty>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> ancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of devisigh> Friday, March 05, 2010 12:53 PM> ancient_indian_ astrology> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...>>>> Dear Udupa JI,>> Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free toaccept/reject that is upto you>> //It is quite probably addition>> of two oranges and two apples.//>> I would say this is very

true as far as we consider MATH for suchcalculations. ...since they are different Math too takes them asdifferent and treat them as separate/different. ....> As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such caseno issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....> I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them inmathematic.. .......>> Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Dueto MATH.....>> 1 rupees=100paise> 1 rupees=10paise * 10paise> [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]> 1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees> 1 rupees=0.01 rupees> [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]> 1 rupees=1 paise>> Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is personwho use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific>> ------------ ------>

Regards,> Devisingh>>> Guru wrote:>>> In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably additionof two oranges and two apples.>> Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as abenefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has tohappen. That is how I understand.> Udupa>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathanjpshelters@. ..< jpshelters@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir> In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th aspalone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship ofjup.But conj will not.You please clarify.> regards> Senthil>>> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskarbhaskar_jyotish@ ...< bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...<

bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> To:ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology \> Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM>>>>> Dear Friends,>> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed toJupiter> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> male child ?>> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic

planet aspecting?> ]>> Same for Saturn...>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get itNOW!<http://in.rd. / tagline_ie8_ new/*http: //downloads. / \in/internetexplorer />.>>>> -->> Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in>>> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,India. The information contained in this electronic message and anyattachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of theaddressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privilegedinformation. If you are not the intended recipient, you should

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March 5, 2010

Mouji Bhai,

They suggest me to remove non-astrological posts, then why cant I give

them a taste of their own medicine ?

My postings have got some issues in them to think about, but what

nonsense gibebrish is this ? How to apply this has not been given uptil

now, and they are continuing by giving us Lessons on Maths.

Main hamesha mouj mein hi rahta hoon Bhai. aap se hi toh seekha hai mouj

karna...

Love,

Bhaskar.

, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99 wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji

>

> 5 rupaiyya 12 aana ... marega bhaiyya .. na na na

>

> mauj lo yaar....

>

> Mouji Ram

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Fri, March 5, 2010 1:40:45 PM

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

>

> Â

>

> Is this an astrology forum or a one on Maths ? I am in quite confused

> state now....

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chakraborty, PL "

> <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Devisingh-ji,

> >

> > 1 Rupee = 10 paise * 10........not 10 paise*10 paise

> >

> > One can not multiply paise with paise....if done, the unit would be

> sqr paise .... not paise.

> >

> > The fundamentals, if not understood, will give erroneous results.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of

devisigh

> > Friday, March 05, 2010 12:53 PM

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns

aspect...

> >

> > Dear Udupa JI,

> >

> > Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to

> accept/reject that is upto you

> >

> > //It is quite probably addition

> >

> > of two oranges and two apples.//

> >

> > I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such

> calculations. ...since they are different Math too takes them as

> different and treat them as separate/different. ....

> > As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case

> no issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....

> > I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in

> mathematic.. .......

> >

> > Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not

Due

> to MATH.....

> >

> > 1 rupees=100paise

> > 1 rupees=10paise * 10paise

> > [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]

> > 1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees

> > 1 rupees=0.01 rupees

> > [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]

> > 1 rupees=1 paise

> >

> > Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person

> who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much

scientific

> >

> > ------------ ------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > Guru wrote:

> >

> > In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably addition

> of two oranges and two apples.

> >

> > Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as a

> benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to

> happen. That is how I understand.

> > Udupa

> >

> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan

> jpshelters@ ..< jpshelters@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir

> > In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

> alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship

of

> jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> > regards

> > Senthil

> >

> > --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar

> bhaskar_jyotish@ ...< bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...< bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> > To:

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

indian_astrology \

>

> > Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why

is

> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

> Jupiter

> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> > male child ?

> >

> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord

of

> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a

benfic

> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

aspecting

> ?

> > ]

> >

> > Same for Saturn...

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

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March 5, 2010

Dear Devisingh Rajputji,

1Rs = 0.10 Rs x 10 times and not 0.10Rs x 0.10 Rs.

It is how many TIMES some value that gives product.

You have to substitute the times with another value which is not possible in this simple equation or multiplication.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 5/3/10, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

devisigh <devisingh.rajputRe: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Friday, 5 March, 2010, 12:53 PM

Dear Udupa JI,Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to accept/reject that is upto you//It is quite probably addition of two oranges and two apples.//I would say this is very true as far as we consider MATH for such calculations. ...since they are different Math too takes them as different and treat them as separate/different. ....As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case no issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in mathematic.. .......Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due to MATH.....1 rupees=100paise1 rupees=10paise * 10paise [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]1 rupees=0.1 rupees * 0.1 rupees1 rupees=0.01 rupees [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]1 rupees=1 paise Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific

------------ ------ Regards, DevisinghGuru wrote:

In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably addition of two oranges and two apples.

Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as a benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to happen. That is how I understand.

Udupa

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Respected Sir In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.regardsSenthil --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

Dear Friends,They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why isMalignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow amale child ?And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord ofthe 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benficplanet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?]Same for Saturn...regards/Bhaskar.

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March 5, 2010

Bhai Chiranjiv ji,

Yeh sab ka dimaag kharaab kar ke chodega .

jabhi usko chain milega.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> Dear Devisingh Rajputji,

> Â

> 1Rs = 0.10 Rs x 10 timesÂ and not 0.10Rs x 0.10Â Rs.

> It is how many TIMES some value that gives product.

> You have to substitute the times with another value which is not

possible in this simple equation or multiplication.

>

> Thanks & Regards

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Fri, 5/3/10, devisigh devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> devisigh devisingh.rajput

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

>

> Friday, 5 March, 2010, 12:53 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Udupa JI,

>

> Please do not take personal,below are my views you are free to

accept/reject that is upto you

>

> //It is quite probablyÂ additionÂ

> of twoÂ orangesÂ and two apples.//I would say this is very true

as far as we consider MATH for such calculations. ...since they are

different Math too takes them as different and treat them as

separate/different. ....

> As far as result is concern that could be incorrect but in such case

no issue in MATH that is problem with Person who is using Math.....

> I would say it does not makes difference we can handle them in

mathematic.. .......

>

> Let me give an example where incorrect result came but that is not Due

to MATH.....

>

> 1 rupees=100paise

> 1 rupees=10paise * 10paise

> Â Â Â [since 10paise = 0.1 rupees]

> 1 rupees=0.1 rupees *Â 0.1 rupees

> 1 rupees=0.01 rupees

> Â Â Â [since 0.01 rupees=1 paise]

> 1 rupees=1 paiseÂ

>

> Yes,result is incorrect and that in not due to MATH.....it is person

who use math as application for calculations ...MATH is much scientific

>

> ------------ ------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Guru wrote:

> Â

>

> Â Â Â In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite

probablyÂ additionÂ of twoÂ orangesÂ and two apples.

> Â Â Â Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of

ownership.Â HenceÂ as a benefic he will save him from an

accident. Accident, however, has to happen. That is how I understand.

> Udupa

>

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan jpshelters (AT) (DOT)

co.in> wrote:

>

> Â

Respected Sir

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of

jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> regards

> Senthil

>

> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> male child ?

>

> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting

?

> ]

>

> Same for Saturn...

>

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March 5, 2010

Dear Sunil Nairji

The time is correct to the dot as her parents are interested in astrology. Both her parents are well educated. Father is Post Gradute in Engineering from I. I. T. Bombay and Mother is also Post Graduate i.e. M.Sc. in Botany from Baroda.

She herself is Dentist BDS from Nair Medical College and her Husband MDS from the same college. Theirs was a Love Marrigage. They got married on 4th July 2006 which incidently is American Independence day.

So far they have not got any children as they have not tried for the same. Husband's birth date is 2nd Dec 1977. I do not have his birth time but I know both are of Karka Rashi.

Husband is having independaent clinic of his own and is doing well. The lady is as stated earlier working under senior doctor and is also dooing well.

Recently they have booked a twoand half bedroom flat which is quite expensive by borrowing money from family, friends and loan from Bank.

I posted this chart for the reason the discussion was on Jupiters aspect from the 7th house from lagna. It is not contradicting your post. Second reason was the Yuti of Saturn and Rahu in 8th in Simha rashi and that of Sun and Mars in Dhanu rashi as I know till date has not given any adverse results.

She is absolutely feminine. Since neither not fat nor she is very slim but slightly slim. She is fair and her husband is also fair. She has one elder sister who is M.D. Medicine working in Tata Cancer Horpital married to Urologist. She has one youger brother who is Acturist and is working in USA. He has married to an Architect. He is also doing very well.

If any other informationis needed I shall provide to the best of my knowledge.

Hope to have comments from you. In navamsa her Sun, Venus and Saturn are exalted.

D. D. Trivedi

--- On Fri, 5/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Friday, 5 March, 2010, 10:50 AM

Dear Dushyant Trivedi ji Thanks for ur inputs Now the question is what is correct lagna according to me ( i am avoiding on debates on sidhantas and mathematical part of astrology ) provided the BT provided is upto the dot .Now i request u to giv some more background informations abt her ,her family ( parental ) ,sibling ,their no.s etc including her looks ( if she is more feminine etc ) ,also pls provide on informations abt her husband ,his background ,also if she had any kids ,then their Birth data including day of marriage and if it was arranged or love marriage .Her previous status ,record of health etc etc to arrive at which is correct lagna . In general in hospital births there is alwys the possibility of great 15 minits error ( this was refered and the term was coined by shri K N rao ji ) ,so all the possibility of Makar lagna is there also

if she is makar lagna u missed her unspoiled Malavya yoga repeated frm Moon sign too.Now my question is why u posted this chart ?? is this contradicts any of my posts ?? or is the 7th aspect of jup refererence ( i was joking on a ICAS scholar on his remarks ,i hav similar chart which i dont remember data now of daughter of a delhi enginr turned pundit who was surprised (again one ICAS product -may b done a one yr course max -,who always used to advise me 2 forget my astrology and mint money as earliest as possible by pushing stones )when her daugher marriage was terminated very soon ( Married to a very wealthy family and dowry harrasment was the reason he is saying ) -same makara lagna and i think merc also in 7th house and sun in 8th along with sat -now cant recollect or get the data ) made u post this ?? then u shud tell me what is 100% aspects for jup thanking u in advance rgrds sunil nair

ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> Ã‚ > I have taken Lahiri Ayanamsa and got Makar lagna.> Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house give two yogas. One is Pancha Mahapurush yoga known as Hamsa yoga and the other is Gaj Kesari yoga.> Ã‚ > She is Dentist and happily married and is having good practise as a junior to another Senior doctor.> Ã‚ > Sun and Mars in the 12th house and Shani Rahu in the 8th house has not given any adverse results so far and hence I feel that Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house has mitigated other Doshas.> Ã‚ > The lady is known to me since she was going to college after SSC. At that time I was worried about the two conjunction in the 8th and 12th house but so far none of the bad results have shown.> Ã‚ >

However it may be too early to say so and hence I put this data for others to enlighten and it is not a reading sought by me.> Ã‚ > D. D. Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:42 PM> > > Ã‚ > > > > dear Dushyant trivediji > > Ã‚ i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house > > any missings happened ??> > More over i requestÃ‚ u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forumÃ‚ norÃ‚ a place for

competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free qualityÃ‚ time is available .> > so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart > Ã‚ > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > 17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > May I have expert comments.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > d. d. trivedi> > > > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > >

astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrologyÃƒâ€šÃ‚ .> > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona

or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too )Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiencesÃƒâ€šÃ‚ as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in

delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can givÃƒâ€šÃ‚ malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moonÃƒâ€šÃ‚ and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKYÃƒâ€šÃ‚ )> > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too > > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces

--for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > Date:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ November 4, 1973> > Time:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 1:04:00> > Time Zone:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40'

00"> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Delhi, India> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora

Lord:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > Sunrise:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 17:30:48 (November 3)> > > > i will try to write abtÃƒâ€šÃ‚ jupiter whenÃƒâ€šÃ‚ in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> > > > it says Lord sriram ji

is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > > > Mohd ali JinnahÃƒâ€šÃ‚ is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th

Jup > > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and laterÃƒâ€šÃ‚ Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear

Friends,> > > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > > ]> > > > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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March 5, 2010

Dear Sriram Medepalli Ji,

//I have Saturn 4 Degrees retrogade in kanya and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena -

Saturn is 4th from lagna.//

Sorry for butting-in But could not understand something..since the

thread/discussion is about Jup and Sat Aspect..

According to your above statement you are a Mithun Lagna Jup in Mesha. SatR in

Kanya where's the aspect? relation btwn these two planets?

Now Tr Sat is Retro and is passing thru your natal SatR please do check your

Moon's placement and it's Degree and watch-out when Tr SatR passes thru that

degree and please do share your any noticeble event(s) happening. I guess mostly

3H since Sat in Kanya in 4 degree means he is in Sun's Nakshatra and some 4H

Matters May come during that period...

There's no complete birth data provided, so this is just an Astro tit-bit from

an Astro Student/Observer with an academic interest nothing else.

Regards

Chandu2Chill

, sriram medepalli <dikki52

wrote:

I have Saturn 4 DegreesÂ retrogade inÂ kanyaÂ and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena

- Saturn is 4th from lagna.

I think it is a sinÂ and only I knoew whatÂ a useless lifeÂ Â despite being

highly qualified.

Sriram Medepalli

> --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

>

> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:55 PM

>

Â

>

Dear Devi singh ji

>

> sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings

>

> let me try to clarify it

>

> Jup is also Known asÂ brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat

,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani

shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it

occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own houseÂ

orÂ has power and good benefic for lagna )

>

> and alsoÂ the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both

genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha sÂ giv more prominence to male

chartsÂ but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i

am yet to digest

>

> That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is

supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and mind

>

> hope i am clear now

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Respected Sunil Ji,

> >

> > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka //*

> >

> > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ?

> > or prediction will be same.....please en light

> >

> > ------------ ------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> > >

> > > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

> > >

> > > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS

> > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without

> > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .

> > >

> > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt

> > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

> > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga(

> > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with

> > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga(

> > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon

> > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of

> > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in

> > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

> > >

> > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

> > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

> > >

> > > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the

> > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the

> > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as

> > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

> > >

> > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when

> > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is

> > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and

> > > steps in final declaring of results )

> > > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good

> > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as

> > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this

> > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup

> > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and

> > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too

> > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and

> > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th

> > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted

> > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )

> > >

> > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

> > >

> > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna

> > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly

> > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more

> > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).

> > >

> > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning

> > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > November 4, 1973

> > > Time: 1:04:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > Delhi, India

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

> > > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

> > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

> > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

> > > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

> > >

> > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and

> > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is

> > > available

> > >

> > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > foot note (food for thought )

> > > -----------

> > >

> > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna

> > >

> > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

> > >

> > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

> > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

> > >

> > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true

> > > with sri late BV Raman )

> > >

> > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

> > >

> > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

> > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

> > >

> > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

> > >

> > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

> > >

> > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna

> > >

> > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

> > >

> > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

> > >

> > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of

> > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely

> > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.

> > >

> > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > >

> > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > >

> > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

> > >

> > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> > >

> > > *ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

> > > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

> > > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> > > > male child ?

> > > >

> > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

> > > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

> > > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

> > > > ]

> > > >

> > > > Same for Saturn...

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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March 5, 2010

Dear Sriram Medepalli Ji,

My apologies for the mistake i misread your statement Jup in Mesha where are you

mentioned Meena..

Sorry for the error......

Regards

Chandu2Chill

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriram Medepalli Ji,

>

> //I have Saturn 4 Degrees retrogade in kanya and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena -

Saturn is 4th from lagna.//

>

> Sorry for butting-in But could not understand something..since the

thread/discussion is about Jup and Sat Aspect..

>

> According to your above statement you are a Mithun Lagna Jup in Mesha. SatR in

Kanya where's the aspect? relation btwn these two planets?

>

> Now Tr Sat is Retro and is passing thru your natal SatR please do check your

Moon's placement and it's Degree and watch-out when Tr SatR passes thru that

degree and please do share your any noticeble event(s) happening. I guess mostly

3H since Sat in Kanya in 4 degree means he is in Sun's Nakshatra and some 4H

Matters May come during that period...

>

> There's no complete birth data provided, so this is just an Astro tit-bit from

an Astro Student/Observer with an academic interest nothing else.

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> , sriram medepalli <dikki52@>

wrote:

>

> I have Saturn 4 DegreesÂ retrogade inÂ kanyaÂ and Jupiter 4 Degrees in

Meena - Saturn is 4th from lagna.

>

> I think it is a sinÂ and only I knoew whatÂ a useless lifeÂ Â despite being

highly qualified.

>

> Sriram Medepalli

>

> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@>

> > Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> >

> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:55 PM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Dear Devi singh ji

> >

> > sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings

> >

> > let me try to clarify it

> >

> > Jup is also Known asÂ brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat

,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani

shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it

occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own houseÂ

orÂ has power and good benefic for lagna )

> >

> > and alsoÂ the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both

genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha sÂ giv more prominence to male

chartsÂ but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i

am yet to digest

> >

> > That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is

supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and mind

> >

> > hope i am clear now

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Respected Sunil Ji,

> > >

> > > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka

//*

> > >

> > > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ?

> > > or prediction will be same.....please en light

> > >

> > > ------------ ------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

> > > >

> > > > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS

> > > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without

> > > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .

> > > >

> > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt

> > > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

> > > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga(

> > > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with

> > > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga(

> > > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon

> > > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of

> > > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in

> > > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

> > > >

> > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

> > > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

> > > >

> > > > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the

> > > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the

> > > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as

> > > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

> > > >

> > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when

> > > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is

> > > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and

> > > > steps in final declaring of results )

> > > > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good

> > > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as

> > > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this

> > > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup

> > > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and

> > > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too

> > > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and

> > > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th

> > > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted

> > > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )

> > > >

> > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

> > > >

> > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna

> > > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly

> > > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more

> > > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).

> > > >

> > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning

> > > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > November 4, 1973

> > > > Time: 1:04:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > > Delhi, India

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

> > > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

> > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

> > > > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

> > > >

> > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and

> > > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is

> > > > available

> > > >

> > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper

manner

> > > >

> > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > foot note (food for thought )

> > > > -----------

> > > >

> > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in

lagna

> > > >

> > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

> > > >

> > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

> > > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

> > > >

> > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true

> > > > with sri late BV Raman )

> > > >

> > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

> > > >

> > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

> > > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

> > > >

> > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

> > > >

> > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

> > > >

> > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna

> > > >

> > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

> > > >

> > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

> > > >

> > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of

> > > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely

> > > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.

> > > >

> > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > > >

> > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > > >

> > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

> > > >

> > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> > > >

> > > > *ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

> > > > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

> > > > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> > > > > male child ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

> > > > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

> > > > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting

?

> > > > > ]

> > > > >

> > > > > Same for Saturn...

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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March 5, 2010

Sir,guru is in meena not mesha - I have mentioned meena . So they are exactly opposite to each other.I follow your group carefully hence I thought I would mention this .I have another person on the same day as mine and her life is also terrible.In fact I have had an angioplasty two weeks agoSriram Medepalli--- On Fri, 5/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006 wrote:CP <nanna_id2006 Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Friday, 5 March, 2010, 4:47 PM

Dear Sriram Medepalli Ji,

//I have Saturn 4 Degrees retrogade in kanya and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena - Saturn is 4th from lagna.//

Sorry for butting-in But could not understand something..since the thread/discussion is about Jup and Sat Aspect..

According to your above statement you are a Mithun Lagna Jup in Mesha. SatR in Kanya where's the aspect? relation btwn these two planets?

Now Tr Sat is Retro and is passing thru your natal SatR please do check your Moon's placement and it's Degree and watch-out when Tr SatR passes thru that degree and please do share your any noticeble event(s) happening. I guess mostly 3H since Sat in Kanya in 4 degree means he is in Sun's Nakshatra and some 4H Matters May come during that period...

There's no complete birth data provided, so this is just an Astro tit-bit from an Astro Student/Observer with an academic interest nothing else.

Regards

Chandu2Chill

ancient_indian_ astrology, sriram medepalli <dikki52 > wrote:

I have Saturn 4 DegreesÃ‚ retrogade inÃ‚ kanyaÃ‚ and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena - Saturn is 4th from lagna.

I think it is a sinÃ‚ and only I knoew whatÃ‚ a useless lifeÃ‚ Ã‚ despite being highly qualified.

Sriram Medepalli

> --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:55 PM

>

> Ã‚

>

> Dear Devi singh ji

>

> sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings

>

> let me try to clarify it

>

> Jup is also Known asÃ‚ brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own houseÃ‚ orÃ‚ has power and good benefic for lagna )

>

> and alsoÃ‚ the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha sÃ‚ giv more prominence to male chartsÃ‚ but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest

>

> That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and mind

>

> hope i am clear now

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote: