Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

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Dear Friends,

 

They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

male child ?

 

And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

]

 

Same for Saturn...

 

regards/Bhaskar.

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Respected Sir In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.regardsSenthil --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

male child ?

 

And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

]

 

Same for Saturn...

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Senthil ji,

 

Jupiter in Kendra and if well placed (Own , friendly or Mooltrikona or

friendly sign)yes should be powerful to ward off many evil effects in

natives Life.

 

About conjunction I would differ in my views. This may depend on the

planet under consideration. For example with Saturn it would tend to

reduce the malefic effects generally attributed to Saturn, and also

remove attachment towards human relations, from that persons mind, which

is a must for spirituality. This would also depend on the condition of

the planet with which Jupiter is conjunct.

 

Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very good

to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. Of course conjunction in a evil

house from where Jupiter cannot throw its benign glance on any Kendara

houses or Lagna, would make no sense . These are my views. Experts

including you may or may not difer, does not matter.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, senthil nathan

<jpshelters wrote:

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> Respected Sir

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In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of

jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> regards

> Senthil

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> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

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> Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

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> Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

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> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

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> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

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> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

>

> male child ?

>

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> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

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> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

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> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting

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> Same for Saturn...

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Respected Baskerji "Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very good

to remove Doshas if any, from the chart."=It is new to me.Thanks I am just a beginner in astro.What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it remove dosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in 2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is very good.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.Thanks a lotSenthil --- On Thu, 4/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 10:14 AM

 

 

 

Dear Shri Senthil ji,

 

Jupiter in Kendra and if well placed (Own , friendly or Mooltrikona or

friendly sign)yes should be powerful to ward off many evil effects in

natives Life.

 

About conjunction I would differ in my views. This may depend on the

planet under consideration. For example with Saturn it would tend to

reduce the malefic effects generally attributed to Saturn, and also

remove attachment towards human relations, from that persons mind, which

is a must for spirituality. This would also depend on the condition of

the planet with which Jupiter is conjunct.

 

Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very good

to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. Of course conjunction in a evil

house from where Jupiter cannot throw its benign glance on any Kendara

houses or Lagna, would make no sense . These are my views. Experts

including you may or may not difer, does not matter.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan

<jpshelters@ ...> wrote:

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> Respected Sir

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In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp

alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of

jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

> regards

> Senthil

>

>

> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

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> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

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Dear Friends,

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> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

>

> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

>

> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

>

> male child ?

>

>

>

> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

>

> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

>

> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting

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> Same for Saturn...

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Dear Shri Senthil ji,

 

The Yogas in our Traditional astrology is a reservoir of knowledge

actually. If one understans the underlying logic and principles behind

them, then one does not actually have to search for Yogas in a Janma

Kundli, for predictions.

 

// Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very

good

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> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. " =It is new to me//

 

If You check the principle behind the Gajakesari Yoga, you will

understand that the same principle applies here too. This may not be a

Gajkesari Yoga by definition, but effects would be near to equal..

 

//> What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it remove

dosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in

2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is very

good.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.//

 

In this case I believe Jupiter may be retrograde, therefore will also

throw its glance from one more house behind and on its exaltation sign,

the Lagna too.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, senthil nathan

<jpshelters wrote:

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> Respected Baskerji

> Â Â " Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also

be very good

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> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. " =It is new to me.Thanks

> Â Â I am just a beginner in astro.

> What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it remove

dosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in

2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is very

good.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.

> Thanks a lot

> Senthil

>

>

> --- On Thu, 4/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

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> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

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> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 10:14 AM

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Dear Shri Senthil ji,

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> Jupiter in Kendra and if well placed (Own , friendly or Mooltrikona or

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> friendly sign)yes should be powerful to ward off many evil effects in

>

> natives Life.

>

>

>

> About conjunction I would differ in my views. This may depend on the

>

> planet under consideration. For example with Saturn it would tend to

>

> reduce the malefic effects generally attributed to Saturn, and also

>

> remove attachment towards human relations, from that persons mind,

which

>

> is a must for spirituality. This would also depend on the condition of

>

> the planet with which Jupiter is conjunct.

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> Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very good

>

> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. Of course conjunction in a

evil

>

> house from where Jupiter cannot throw its benign glance on any Kendara

>

> houses or Lagna, would make no sense . These are my views. Experts

>

> including you may or may not difer, does not matter.

>

>

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

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> ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan

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> alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship

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> jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

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> > regards

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> > Senthil

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benfic

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Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.??? it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .Natal Chart November 4, 1973Time: 1:04:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, IndiaLunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - KarthikaTithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner rgrds sunil nair foot note (food for thought )-----------it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUPSri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moonSwami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> male child ?> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> ]> > Same for Saturn...> > regards/Bhaskar.>

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Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,

 

Its a pleasure to see you back in action .

 

This mail from You says it all. Jupiter can be both good and bad. Yes.

depending on so many other factors.

 

I enjoyed your mail. Please do write more whenever you are able to..I

know you must be busy.

 

regards and best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

>

> sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar

> tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering

> the very basic foundations of astrology .

>

> All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt

> devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

> .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga(

one

> of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght

> in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other

> benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and

> vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this

> yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra

frm

> Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

>

> Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

> then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

>

> it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the

> jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the

way

> of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter

is

> also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

>

> All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when

he

> is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd

> step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in

> final declaring of results )

> now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good

and

> bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he

is

> jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will

> happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is

> afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and

navamsa

> lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup

> was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm

> moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said

> that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord

> jupiter is having PKY )

>

> Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

>

> here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna

s

> i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly

> )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more

bhagya

> when GK is placed in such places ).

>

> Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning

> almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .

>

>

> Natal Chart

>

> November 4, 1973

> Time: 1:04:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> Delhi, India

>

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

> Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

> Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

> Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

> Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

> Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

>

> Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

> Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

>

> i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies

> ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is

available

>

> sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper

> manner

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> foot note (food for thought )

> -----------

>

> it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in

> lagna

>

> Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

>

> Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

> sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

>

> Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true

> with sri late BV Raman )

>

> KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

>

> Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

having

> Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

>

> Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

>

> shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

>

> Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur

Lagna

>

> shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

>

> Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

>

> sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of

> travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely

state

> of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.

>

> Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

>

> Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

>

> Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

>

> Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why

is

> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

> Jupiter

> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

> > male child ?

> >

> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord

of

> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a

benfic

> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

aspecting

> ?

> > ]

> >

> > Same for Saturn...

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sh Sunil Nair,

Thanks for the nice explanation on benefic and malefic Jupiter. I agreewith you.

Regards---

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Thanks Sunil ji for the explanationSenthil --- On Thu, 4/3/10, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:S.C. Kursija <sckursija Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 12:38 PM

 

 

Respected Sh Sunil Nair,

Thanks for the nice explanation on benefic and malefic Jupiter. I agreewith you.

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Dear Respected Sunil Ji,

 

//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as

he is jeeva karaka //

 

Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ?

or prediction will be same.....please en light

 

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Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

 

sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS

scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without

considering the very basic foundations of astrology .

 

All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt

devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

..they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one

of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght

in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other

benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and

vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this

yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm

Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

 

Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

 

it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the

jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the

way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as

jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

 

All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when

he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is

2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps

in final declaring of results )

now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good

and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as

he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this

will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup

is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and

navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too

and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and

maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th

1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted

and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )

 

Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

 

here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s

i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly

)like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya

when GK is placed in such places ).

 

Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning

almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .

 

 

Natal Chart

 

November 4, 1973

Time: 1:04:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"

Delhi, India

 

 

Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

 

Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

 

i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies

( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available

 

 

sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper

manner

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

foot note (food for thought )

-----------

 

it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in

lagna

 

Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

 

Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

 

Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true

with sri late BV Raman )

 

KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

 

Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

 

Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

 

shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

 

Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna

 

 

shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

 

Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

 

sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of

travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state

of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.

 

Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

 

Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

 

Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

 

Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

,

"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then

why is

> Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to

Jupiter

> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow

a

> male child ?

>

> And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the

Lord of

> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a

benfic

> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

aspecting ?

> ]

>

> Same for Saturn...

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

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Dear All,

 

I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.

 

17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz

 

May I have expert comments.

 

d. d. trivedi--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM

Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts then why

rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.??? it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was

jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .Natal Chart November 4, 1973Time: 1:04:00Time

Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, IndiaLunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - KarthikaTithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)i

will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner rgrds sunil nair foot note (food for thought )-----------it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with

8th JUP Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUPSri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moonSwami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> Malignancy and

physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> male child ?> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> ]> > Same for Saturn...> > regards/Bhaskar.>

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Dear Sunil Nair ji,Excellent post.I am looking forward to prathikool sthana and asraya rasi phalams eagerly.Thanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Thu, 3/4/10, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:dushyant trivedi <trivedi20Re: Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 11:20 AM

 

 

Dear All,

 

I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.

 

17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz

 

May I have expert comments.

 

d. d. trivedi--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM

Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts then why

rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.??? it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was

jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .Natal Chart November 4, 1973Time: 1:04:00Time

Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, IndiaLunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - KarthikaTithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)i

will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner rgrds sunil nair foot note (food for thought )-----------it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with

8th JUP Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUPSri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moonSwami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> Malignancy and

physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> male child ?> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> ]> > Same for Saturn...> > regards/Bhaskar.>

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     In Astrology two plus two is not four. It is quite probably addition of two oranges and two apples.    Jupiter remains a benefic irrespective of ownership. Hence as a benefic he will save him from an accident. Accident, however, has to happen. That is how I understand.

UdupaOn Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM, senthil nathan <jpshelters wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir               In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordship of jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.

regardsSenthil --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Date: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is

Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter

? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a

male child ?

 

And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of

the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic

planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?

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Same for Saturn...

 

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dear Dushyant trivediji i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house any missings happened ??More over i request u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forum nor a place for competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free quality time is available .so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart rgrds sunil nair , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear All,>  > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.>  > 17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz>  > May I have expert comments.>  > d. d. trivedi> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > >  > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > >  sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >  it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > Natal Chart> > Date:         November 4, 1973> Time:         1:04:00> Time Zone:    5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place:        77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00">               Delhi, India> > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Pramadi - Karthika> Tithi:        Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra:    Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> Yoga:         Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> Karana:       Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> Hora Lord:    Venus (5 min sign: Li)> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> Kaala Lord:   Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > Sunrise:      6:38:22 (November 3)> Sunset:       17:30:48 (November 3)> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > rgrds sunil nair > > foot note (food for thought )> -----------> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th > > > > > > > > > >  > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > male child ?> > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > ]> > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./>

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Dear Devi singh ji sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings let me try to clarify it Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic for lagna ) and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and mind hope i am clear now rgrds sunil nair , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Respected Sunil Ji,> > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka //*> > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ? > or prediction will be same.....please en light> > ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji> >> > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> >> > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> >> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts> > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >> > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> >> > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and > > steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> >> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too> >> > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> >> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> >> >> > Natal Chart> >> > November 4, 1973> > Time: 1:04:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > Delhi, India> >> >> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> >> > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)> >> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is > > available> >> > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> >> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna> >> > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it> >> > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th> > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th> >> > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true > > with sri late BV Raman )> >> > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th> >> > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna> >> > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna> >> > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP> >> > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna> >> > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup> >> > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP> >> > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> >> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> >> > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > * , "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > >> > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > > ]> > >> > > Same for Saturn...> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> >> >>

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From the particulars provided by Mr. Dushyant Trivedi, it is only Makara Lagna with Jup/Moon in the Seventh house.

 

But the point of query is not understood as Sat/Rahu in the 8th house and Sun/Mars in the 12th house are not promising signs.

 

regards,

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 6:42:10 PM Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

dear Dushyant trivediji i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house any missings happened ??More over i request u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forum nor a place for competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free quality time is available .so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear All,> Â > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.> Â >

17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz>  > May I have expert comments.>  > d. d. trivedi> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > >  > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > >  sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

..they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >  it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > All this is considering when jup

as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th

Lord too > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > Natal Chart> > Date:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â November 4, 1973> Time:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1:04:00> Time Zone:Â Â Â Â 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00">

              Delhi, India> > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Pramadi - Karthika> Tithi:        Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra:    Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> Yoga:         Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> Karana:       Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> Hora Lord:    Venus (5 min sign: Li)> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> Kaala Lord:   Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > Sunrise:      6:38:22 (November 3)>

Sunset:       17:30:48 (November 3)> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > rgrds sunil nair > > foot note (food for thought )> -----------> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > Sir shri

sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > Â > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > male child ?> > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > ]> > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > >

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Will also like to verify the chart first but tomorrow as too tired after a full day's work now.

 

best wishes,

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

 

dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 4:50:35 PMRe: Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.

 

17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz

 

May I have expert comments.

 

d. d. trivedi--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM

Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts then why

rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.??? it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was

jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .Natal Chart November 4, 1973Time: 1:04:00Time

Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, IndiaLunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - KarthikaTithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)i

will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner rgrds sunil nair foot note (food for thought )-----------it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with

8th JUP Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUPSri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moonSwami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> Malignancy and

physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> male child ?> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> ]> > Same for Saturn...> > regards/Bhaskar.>

 

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Dear Sunil JI,

 

Thanks for clarification....you put nicely.....

Please clarify more....

 

Lets have 2 charts Male/Female(we can take twin).....whether Jup as

Karaka makes some difference here??

 

I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender

required to be considered.....please en light

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Devi singh ji

 

sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings

 

let me try to clarify it

 

Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat

,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where

as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda

-slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght (

like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic for lagna )

 

and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for

both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more

prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged to

jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest

 

That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is

supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and

mind

 

hope i am clear now

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Respected Sunil Ji,

>

> *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva

karaka //*

>

> Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva

karaka' ?

> or prediction will be same.....please en light

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

>

> astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> >

> >

> > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

> >

> > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a

ICAS

> > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt

without

> > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .

> >

> > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and

varahmihira )abt

> > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost

benefic too

> > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja

yoga(

> > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra

with

> > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv

adhiyoga(

> > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8

frm moon

> > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places (

3/6/10/11).Most of

> > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup

is in

> > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

> >

> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

> > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

> >

> > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology

as the

> > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing

by the

> > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences

as

> > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

> >

> > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic

but when

> > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt

..(as it is

> > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers

and

> > steps in final declaring of results )

> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so

many good

> > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to

jupiter and as

> > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too

..All this

> > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in

chart and jup

> > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna

Lord and

> > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm

Lagna too

> > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra

Lord and

> > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july

4th

> > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon

afflicted

> > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )

> >

> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

> >

> > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for

some lagna

> > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial

(materiasticaly

> > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav

more

> > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).

> >

> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried

earning

> > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in

banglore .

> >

> >

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > November 4, 1973

> > Time: 1:04:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"

> > Delhi, India

> >

> >

> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

> > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

> > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

> > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

> >

> > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

> > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

> >

> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas

and

> > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality

time is

> > available

> >

> > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in

proper manner

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

> > foot note (food for thought )

> > -----------

> >

> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and

jup in lagna

> >

> > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

> >

> > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

> > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

> >

> > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same

is true

> > with sri late BV Raman )

> >

> > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

> >

> > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era

) is

> > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

> >

> > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

> >

> > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

> >

> > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and

dhanur Lagna

> >

> > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

> >

> > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

> >

> > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later

Diwan of

> > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the

princely

> > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with

5th JUP.

> >

> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

> >

> > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

> >

> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

> >

> > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > * ,

"Bhaskar"

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing.

But then why is

> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then

attributed to Jupiter

> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will

not allow a

> > > male child ?

> > >

> > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter

is the Lord of

> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there

? As a benfic

> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic

planet aspecting ?

> > > ]

> > >

> > > Same for Saturn...

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> >

> >

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dear mouji ramji I use lahiri ayanamsa with 365.25 days and suryabimba madya in easter horizon as sun rise and sun set definition and since i am trvelling i am using jhorA and all my other SW ,S are in diffrnt place.Now when matter of discussion will reveal which lagna is more correct,but i cannot devote more time pls confirm ur take on thisrgrds sunil nair , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> From the particulars provided by Mr. Dushyant Trivedi, it is only Makara Lagna with Jup/Moon in the Seventh house. > > But the point of query is not understood as Sat/Rahu in the 8th house and Sun/Mars in the 12th house are not promising signs.> > regards,> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ________________________________> astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala > Thu, March 4, 2010 6:42:10 PM> Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> >  > dear Dushyant trivediji > >  i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house > > any missings happened ??> > More over i request u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forum nor a place for competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free quality time is available .> > so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart >  > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >  > > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.> >  > > 17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz> >  > > May I have expert comments.> >  > > d. d. trivedi> > > > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > > > >  sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> > > >  it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too > > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > Date:         November 4, 1973> > Time:         1:04:00> > Time Zone:    5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place:        77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> >               Delhi, India> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi:        Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra:    Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga:         Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana:       Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora Lord:    Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord:   Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > Sunrise:      6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset:       17:30:48 (November 3)> > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup > > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > > ]> > > > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >>

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I have Saturn 4 Degrees retrogade in kanya and Jupiter 4 Degrees in Meena - Saturn is 4th from lagna.I think it is a sin and only I knoew what a useless life despite being highly qualified.Sriram Medepalli--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:55 PM

 

 

 

Dear Devi singh ji sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings let me try to clarify it Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic for lagna ) and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged to jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) and

mind hope i am clear now rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Respected Sunil Ji,> > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka //*> > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ? > or prediction will be same.....please en light> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji> >> > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> >> > All rishies were

unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> >> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts> > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >> > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the >

> jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> >> > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and > > steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and >

> navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> >> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too> >> > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> >> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> >>

>> > Natal Chart> >> > November 4, 1973> > Time: 1:04:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > Delhi, India> >> >> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> >> > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)> >> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas

and > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is > > available> >> > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> >> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna> >> > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it> >> > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th> > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th> >> > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true > > with sri late BV Raman )> >> > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th> >> > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is

> > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna> >> > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna> >> > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP> >> > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna> >> > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup> >> > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP> >> > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> >> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> >> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> >> >

Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > *ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > >> > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

aspecting ?> > > ]> > >> > > Same for Saturn...> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> >> >>

 

 

 

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dear devi singh ji As far as i am concerned i hav givn enough clarifications already according to ur questions raised by u now it is ur take on it So u r welcome to provide ur own observations as far as twins the way of reading a chart is diffrnt tooso i welcome u to explain ur own understanding Also i request every one to provide when a chart reading queries appears tho this cannot b termed so But always discuss with facts and figures as they is always more things which we dont discuss here in one go in a mail tho we hav discussed Many things in in past ( may b in archives ) and so many other points we hav refered frm time to time for exmple how many astrologers realy got informations abt omens happened during birth of a kid ???? ( i think we in grp hav discussed abt this in past )Even I hav discussed abt it personaly too in prvt mail with one of a senior memebr of this forumrgrds sunil nair , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Sunil JI,> > Thanks for clarification....you put nicely.....> Please clarify more....> > Lets have 2 charts Male/Female(we can take twin).....whether Jup as > Karaka makes some difference here??> > I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender > required to be considered.....please en light> > ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > *> > Dear Devi singh ji> >> > sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings> >> > let me try to clarify it> >> > Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of > > brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv qualities > > where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known as > > manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some > > strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic > > for lagna )> >> > and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for > > both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more > > prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged to > > jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest> >> > That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup is > > supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body ) > > and mind> >> > hope i am clear now> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > * , devisigh > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Respected Sunil Ji,> > >> > > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva > > karaka //*> > >> > > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva karaka' ?> > > or prediction will be same.....please en light> > >> > > ------------------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > >> > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji> > > >> > > > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS> > > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without> > > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > > >> > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt> > > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too> > > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga(> > > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with> > > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga(> > > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon> > > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of> > > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in> > > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > > >> > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts> > > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> > > >> > > > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the> > > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the> > > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as> > > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > > >> > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when> > > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is> > > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and> > > > steps in final declaring of results )> > > > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good> > > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as> > > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this> > > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and > > jup> > > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and> > > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too> > > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and> > > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th> > > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted> > > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > > >> > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too> > > >> > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna> > > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial > > (materiasticaly> > > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more> > > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > > >> > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning> > > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > >> > > >> > > > Natal Chart> > > >> > > > November 4, 1973> > > > Time: 1:04:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > Delhi, India> > > >> > > >> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika> > > > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > > > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > >> > > > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)> > > > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)> > > >> > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and> > > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is> > > > available> > > >> > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper > > manner> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > foot note (food for thought )> > > > -----------> > > >> > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup > > in lagna> > > >> > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it> > > >> > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th> > > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th> > > >> > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true> > > > with sri late BV Raman )> > > >> > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th> > > >> > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is> > > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna> > > >> > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna> > > >> > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP> > > >> > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur > > Lagna> > > >> > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup> > > >> > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP> > > >> > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of> > > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely> > > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > > >> > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > >> > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > >> > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > > >> > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > * , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then > > why is> > > > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to > > Jupiter> > > > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > > > male child ?> > > > >> > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the > > Lord of> > > > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a > > benfic> > > > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet > > aspecting ?> > > > > ]> > > > >> > > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

I have taken Lahiri Ayanamsa and got Makar lagna.

Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house give two yogas. One is Pancha Mahapurush yoga known as Hamsa yoga and the other is Gaj Kesari yoga.

 

She is Dentist and happily married and is having good practise as a junior to another Senior doctor.

 

Sun and Mars in the 12th house and Shani Rahu in the 8th house has not given any adverse results so far and hence I feel that Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house has mitigated other Doshas.

 

The lady is known to me since she was going to college after SSC. At that time I was worried about the two conjunction in the 8th and 12th house but so far none of the bad results have shown.

 

However it may be too early to say so and hence I put this data for others to enlighten and it is not a reading sought by me.

 

D. D. Trivedi--- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect... Date: Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:42 PM

dear Dushyant trivediji i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house any missings happened ??More over i request u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forum nor a place for competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free quality time is available .so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear All,> Â > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.> Â >

17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz>  > May I have expert comments.>  > d. d. trivedi> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > >  > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > >  sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too

..they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> >  it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > All this is considering when jup

as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th

Lord too > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > Natal Chart> > Date:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â November 4, 1973> Time:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1:04:00> Time Zone:Â Â Â Â 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00">

              Delhi, India> > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Pramadi - Karthika> Tithi:        Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra:    Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> Yoga:         Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> Karana:       Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> Hora Lord:    Venus (5 min sign: Li)> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> Kaala Lord:   Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > Sunrise:      6:38:22 (November 3)>

Sunset:       17:30:48 (November 3)> > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > rgrds sunil nair > > foot note (food for thought )> -----------> > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > Sir shri

sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > Â > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > male child ?> > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > ]> > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,

 

You have already given a beautiful explanation of the various reasons

why things could be diffrent even with the same karaka . It does not

require any further explanations. The problem here in this Group these

days is from pseudo-talkers who will make you comment on charts and then

comment on your comments. But they themselves would not do anything to

show what they have learnt and understood. Please be careful and do not

waste time . Time is valuable and costs money. Mostly people are looking

for inputs on charts of their close relatives or clients for free and

ask for comments on same without revealing that these are their clients

charts.

 

Devisingh ji has just mentioned -

 

// I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender

> required to be considered.....//

 

I request him to explain the above statement, by putting two charts here

and share his explanations for the benefit of the readers to confirm his

above considerations.

 

I also request the other Mr Dev (Axeplex) to xplain his hogher

mathematics how it can be used for predicting leak from water tanks.

 

and how -10 and D-24 and other D Charts must be studied. What are the

principles. Hope he does put some analysis here with at least 1-5

charts. He has done enough big talking here. Now we want some stuff to

be coming in support of his big talking.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> dear devi singh ji

>

> As far as i am concerned i hav givn enough clarifications already

> according to ur questions raised by u

> now it is ur take on it

>

> So u r welcome to provide ur own observations

> as far as twins the way of reading a chart is diffrnt too

> so i welcome u to explain ur own understanding

> Also i request every one to provide when a chart reading queries

appears

> tho this cannot b termed so

>

> But always discuss with facts and figures as they is always more

things

> which we dont discuss here in one go in a mail tho we hav discussed

> Many things in in past ( may b in archives ) and so many other points

we

> hav refered frm time to time

>

> for exmple how many astrologers realy got informations abt omens

> happened during birth of a kid ???? ( i think we in grp hav discussed

> abt this in past )

>

> Even I hav discussed abt it personaly too in prvt mail with one of a

> senior memebr of this forum

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , devisigh

> devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil JI,

> >

> > Thanks for clarification....you put nicely.....

> > Please clarify more....

> >

> > Lets have 2 charts Male/Female(we can take twin).....whether Jup as

> > Karaka makes some difference here??

> >

> > I would say it makes difference for me even chart are same Gender

> > required to be considered.....please en light

> >

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> >

> > astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > *

> > > Dear Devi singh ji

> > >

> > > sorry for the misunderstanding caused by my wordings

> > >

> > > let me try to clarify it

> > >

> > > Jup is also Known as brihat pathi ,we shud think the meaning of

> > > brihat ,which means big ,fatty also ( jup is having expansiv

> qualities

> > > where as sani shrinks the effects of house ( as it is also known

as

> > > manda -slow ,slower )it occuppies unless it is sitting with some

> > > strnght ( like ucha ,MT or own house or has power and good benefic

> > > for lagna )

> > >

> > > and also the jeeva karakatwa is assinged to jup is also common for

> > > both genders irespectiv of charts tho Nadi Grantha s giv more

> > > prominence to male charts but the karakatwa for husband assinged

to

> > > jup ( by some schools )is i am yet to digest

> > >

> > > That is why GK Yoga got prominence as jeeva ,sarveswara karaka jup

> is

> > > supported by /or supporting the Moon the karaka for sareer ( body

)

> > > and mind

> > >

> > > hope i am clear now

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > * , devisigh

> > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > *//so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva

> > > karaka //*

> > > >

> > > > Does male/female Jatak makes difference here for 'Ju... jeeva

> karaka' ?

> > > > or prediction will be same.....please en light

> > > >

> > > > ------------------

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Devisingh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji

> > > > >

> > > > > sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS

> > > > > scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt

> without

> > > > > considering the very basic foundations of astrology .

> > > > >

> > > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and

varahmihira

> )abt

> > > > > devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost

> benefic too

> > > > > .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja

> yoga(

> > > > > one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra

> with

> > > > > strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv

> adhiyoga(

> > > > > even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8

frm

> moon

> > > > > ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places (

> 3/6/10/11).Most of

> > > > > this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is

> in

> > > > > kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .

> > > > >

> > > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts

> > > > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???

> > > > >

> > > > > it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology

as

> the

> > > > > jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing

by

> the

> > > > > way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences

as

> > > > > jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic

but

> when

> > > > > he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt

..(as

> it is

> > > > > 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers

> and

> > > > > steps in final declaring of results )

> > > > > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so

many

> good

> > > > > and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter

> and as

> > > > > he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too

..All

> this

> > > > > will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart

> and

> > > jup

> > > > > is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord

> and

> > > > > navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm

> Lagna too

> > > > > and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra

Lord

> and

> > > > > maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july

> 4th

> > > > > 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon

> afflicted

> > > > > and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )

> > > > >

> > > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too

> > > > >

> > > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for

some

> lagna

> > > > > s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial

> > > (materiasticaly

> > > > > )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav

more

> > > > > bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried

> earning

> > > > > almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore

..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > November 4, 1973

> > > > > Time: 1:04:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > > > Delhi, India

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramadi - Karthika

> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > > > Nakshatra: Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)

> > > > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)

> > > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)

> > > > > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li)

> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 6:38:22 (November 3)

> > > > > Sunset: 17:30:48 (November 3)

> > > > >

> > > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and

> > > > > rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality

> time is

> > > > > available

> > > > >

> > > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in

> proper

> > > manner

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > foot note (food for thought )

> > > > > -----------

> > > > >

> > > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and

jup

> > > in lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it

> > > > >

> > > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th

> > > > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same

is

> true

> > > > > with sri late BV Raman )

> > > > >

> > > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era )

> is

> > > > > having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and

> dhanur

> > > Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup

> > > > >

> > > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP

> > > > >

> > > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later

Diwan

> of

> > > > > travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the

> princely

> > > > > state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th

> JUP.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > > > >

> > > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon

> > > > >

> > > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > * , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But

> then

> > > why is

> > > > > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then

attributed

> to

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not

> allow a

> > > > > > male child ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is

the

> > > Lord of

> > > > > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As

a

> > > benfic

> > > > > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet

> > > aspecting ?

> > > > > > ]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Same for Saturn...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Being a KP scholar, I think the answer is known to you.

 

Check the sub position of Jupiter.

If connected to 1,6,8,12 ==>> Jupiter is malefic for health related issues.

If connected to 2,5,8,12==>> Jupiter is malafic for financial matters.

If connected to 2,7,badhaka ==> Jupiter will be instrumental to stop one's life.

 

The flavour of results will be modified according to the tatwa and properties of the Rasi where JUP and its starlord posited.

 

Etc....

 

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

-

Bhaskar

Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:45 AM

Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...

Dear Shri Senthil ji,The Yogas in our Traditional astrology is a reservoir of knowledgeactually. If one understans the underlying logic and principles behindthem, then one does not actually have to search for Yogas in a JanmaKundli, for predictions.// Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be verygood>> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart."=It is new to me//If You check the principle behind the Gajakesari Yoga, you willunderstand that the same principle applies here too. This may not be aGajkesari Yoga by definition, but effects would be near to equal..//> What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it removedosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is verygood.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.//In this case I believe Jupiter may be retrograde, therefore will alsothrow its glance from one more house behind and on its exaltation sign,the Lagna too.regards/Bhaskar. , senthil nathan<jpshelters wrote:>> Respected Baskerji>   "Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would alsobe very good>> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart."=It is new to me.Thanks>   I am just a beginner in astro.> What about 7th aspect of jup.irrespective of lordship?Will it removedosha.I hope this is true because 11th lord badhaga venus is placed in2nd asp by jup.The native got early marriage and the life is verygood.Badhaga ven lost its malefic effect because of 7th asp of jup.> Thanks a lot> Senthil>>> --- On Thu, 4/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 10:14 AM>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Shri Senthil ji,>>>> Jupiter in Kendra and if well placed (Own , friendly or Mooltrikona or>> friendly sign)yes should be powerful to ward off many evil effects in>> natives Life.>>>> About conjunction I would differ in my views. This may depend on the>> planet under consideration. For example with Saturn it would tend to>> reduce the malefic effects generally attributed to Saturn, and also>> remove attachment towards human relations, from that persons mind,which>> is a must for spirituality. This would also depend on the condition of>> the planet with which Jupiter is conjunct.>>>> Conjunction with Moon for instance in a Kendra would also be very good>> to remove Doshas if any, from the chart. Of course conjunction in aevil>> house from where Jupiter cannot throw its benign glance on any Kendara>> houses or Lagna, would make no sense . These are my views. Experts>> including you may or may not difer, does not matter.>>>> regards/Bhaskar.>>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan>> <jpshelters@ ...> wrote:>> >>> > Respected Sir>> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÂ Â Â Â Â>> In one of a meeting(ICAS) a Sanskrit scholar told that Jup' 7th asp>> alone has the power to cancel all the dosha irrespect of the lordshipof>> jup.But conj will not.You please clarify.>> > regards>> > Senthil>> >>> >>> > --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> >>> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Jupiter and Saturns aspect...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology>> > Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 5:08 PM>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Â>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Dear Friends,>> >>> >>> >>> > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then whyis>> >>> > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to>> Jupiter>> >>> > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a>> >>> > male child ?>> >>> >>> >>> > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lordof>> >>> > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As abenfic>> >>> > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planetaspecting>> ?>> >>> > ]>> >>> >>> >>> > Same for Saturn...>> >>> >>> >>> > regards/Bhaskar.>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.http://in./>

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Dear Dushyant Trivedi ji Thanks for ur inputs Now the question is what is correct lagna according to me ( i am avoiding on debates on sidhantas and mathematical part of astrology ) provided the BT provided is upto the dot .Now i request u to giv some more background informations abt her ,her family ( parental ) ,sibling ,their no.s etc including her looks ( if she is more feminine etc ) ,also pls provide on informations abt her husband ,his background ,also if she had any kids ,then their Birth data including day of marriage and if it was arranged or love marriage .Her previous status ,record of health etc etc to arrive at which is correct lagna . In general in hospital births there is alwys the possibility of great 15 minits error ( this was refered and the term was coined by shri K N rao ji ) ,so all the possibility of Makar lagna is there also if she is makar lagna u missed her unspoiled Malavya yoga repeated frm Moon sign too.Now my question is why u posted this chart ?? is this contradicts any of my posts ?? or is the 7th aspect of jup refererence ( i was joking on a ICAS scholar on his remarks ,i hav similar chart which i dont remember data now of daughter of a delhi enginr turned pundit who was surprised (again one ICAS product -may b done a one yr course max -,who always used to advise me 2 forget my astrology and mint money as earliest as possible by pushing stones )when her daugher marriage was terminated very soon ( Married to a very wealthy family and dowry harrasment was the reason he is saying ) -same makara lagna and i think merc also in 7th house and sun in 8th along with sat -now cant recollect or get the data ) made u post this ?? then u shud tell me what is 100% aspects for jup thanking u in advance rgrds sunil nair , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,>  > I have taken Lahiri Ayanamsa and got Makar lagna.> Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house give two yogas. One is Pancha Mahapurush yoga known as Hamsa yoga and the other is Gaj Kesari yoga.>  > She is Dentist and happily married and is having good practise as a junior to another Senior doctor.>  > Sun and Mars in the 12th house and Shani Rahu in the 8th house has not given any adverse results so far and hence I feel that Jupiter and Moon in the 7th house has mitigated other Doshas.>  > The lady is known to me since she was going to college after SSC. At that time I was worried about the two conjunction in the 8th and 12th house but so far none of the bad results have shown.>  > However it may be too early to say so and hence I put this data for others to enlighten and it is not a reading sought by me.>  > D. D. Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 6:42 PM> > >  > > > > dear Dushyant trivediji > >  i am getting Kumbha lagna with Moon +jup in 6th House and sat +rahu in 7th House also if u take moon sign it is happening in 2nd house > > any missings happened ??> > More over i request u to add ur own observations on any chart as this is not a free reading forum nor a place for competitions but discussion on relevent charts are welcome .Also i request u to understand that many are participating in discussions as when some free quality time is available .> > so hence i cannot participate in this chart any more tho i welcome any discussions on this chart >  > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >  > > I give below data of young lady who has Makar Lagna and Jupiter+Moon in Karka in 7th.> >  > > 17th Dec 1978, 10.58am, Mumbai-Santacruz> >  > > May I have expert comments.> >  > > d. d. trivedi> > > > --- On Thu, 4/3/10, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jupiter and Saturns aspect...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, 4 March, 2010, 11:54 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear respected bhaskar ji and senthil ji > > > >  sentil ji was refering abt 7th aspect of jup by quoting a ICAS scholar tho it is nothing scholarly but a general statemnt without considering the very basic foundations of astrology .> > > > All rishies were unanimous (esp parasar ,yavana and varahmihira )abt devinity and blessing attached to jup ,and it is foremost benefic too .they says it has got Digbala in lagna ,it can giv hamsa Raja yoga( one of the pancha Maha Purusha rajayogas ) if it is in kendra with strnght in own house ,mooltrikona or ucha also it can giv adhiyoga( even other benefics too ) (esp frm Moon ) if it is in 6/7/8 frm moon ,and vasumathi yoga if it is in upachaya places ( 3/6/10/11).Most of this yogas giv status ,prominence and power too.Also if jup is in kendra frm Moon it can giv the famous Gaja kesari yoga too .> > > > Still we find jup is not giving all this in certian charts > > then why rishies attached devinity and blessing to jup.???> > > >  it is simple understanding of basic foundations of astrology as the jupiter will tell in a chart how the devine help and blessing by the way of unexpected and miraculous helps,escape and experiences as jupiter is also representing sarva iswara karaka in a chart .> > > > All this is considering when jup as foremost natural benefic but when he is functional malefic then the approch has to b diffrnt .(as it is 2nd step in delination of a chart and there is several layers and steps in final declaring of results )> > now when coming to the karakatwas every planets has got so many good and bad karakatwas .so opulance and fat is assigned to jupiter and as he is jeeva karaka it can giv malignant growths in body too .All this will happen when 2 or more other conditions appearing in chart and jup is afflicted ( for exmple swami vivekanda chart his lagna Lord and navamsa lagna Lord was jupiter and it is 64th amsa Lord frm Lagna too and jup was having Papakartari dosha too and he was kendra Lord and maraka frm moon and he died in jup -venus-merc period on july 4th 1902,it is said that he has various ailments shown by moon afflicted and lagna lord jupiter is having PKY )> > > > Now the next question what if the jup is 8th Lord too > > > > here i would like to share my own views and exprnces --for some lagna s i find even GajaKesari yoga is dustana is beneficial (materiasticaly )like taurus ,Leo ,sag and capri Lagnas ( it seems they hav more bhagya when GK is placed in such places ).> > > > Here is one chart i would like to share A nair boy unmarried earning almost half million monthly and working with a MNC in banglore .> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > Date:         November 4, 1973> > Time:         1:04:00> > Time Zone:    5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place:        77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> >               Delhi, India> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Pramadi - Karthika> > Tithi:        Sukla Navami (Su) (99.78% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra:    Dhanishtha (Ma) (96.65% left)> > Yoga:         Ganda (Sa) (13.50% left)> > Karana:       Balava (Mo) (99.56% left)> > Hora Lord:    Venus (5 min sign: Li)> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)> > Kaala Lord:   Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > Sunrise:      6:38:22 (November 3)> > Sunset:       17:30:48 (November 3)> > > > i will try to write abt jupiter when in parathikool stanas and rasies ( with asraya rasi phalams) later as and when quality time is available > > > > sorry for scattered thoughts and not arranging the reply in proper manner > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > foot note (food for thought )> > -----------> > > > it says Lord sriram ji is having karkata Lagna with Moon and jup in lagna > > > > Jagat guru adi sankara was having Karkata lagna and jup in it > > > > Mahatma gandhi is having Tula lagna and jup in 7th > > sardar patel is having Mesha lagna and jup in 7th > > > > Mohd ali Jinnah is having Kumbha Lagna with jup in 10th (same is true with sri late BV Raman ) > > > > KN rao is having tula Lagna with jup in 10th > > > > Sir shri sankaran Nair (oldest prez of congress b4 Nehru era ) is having Mesha Lagna and Jup in Lagna > > > > Pandit Nehru is having dhanur Guru with Karkata Lagna > > > > shri rajender prasad is having Makar lagna with 8th JUP > > > > Shri VK Krishna menon is Having 8th jup in karaka rasi and dhanur Lagna > > > > shri subhas Bose is having mesha Lagna with 5th Jup > > > > Marshal stalin is having Tula lagna and 5th JUP > > > > sir C P Ramaswami Iyyer ( was political advisor and later Diwan of travancore state and he made constitution of kashmir the princely state of pre-independent india ) is having tula lagna with 5th JUP.> > > > Hiter was Tula Lagna with 3rd JUP > > > > Mrs Annie Besant is having Mesha Lagna with 3rd JUP> > > > Sri Narayana Guru is having simha Lagna with 7th Jup/moon> > > > Swami chinmayanandaji is vrichika Lagna with Meena guru in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > They say that Jupitersaspect is divine and a blessing. But then why is> > > Malignancy and physical fatness and gluttony, then attributed to Jupiter> > > ? And why is it said that Jupiter asa karaka in 5th will not allow a> > > male child ?> > > > > > And what in case of indivdiual Horoscopes where Jupiter is the Lord of> > > the 8th ? What should we consider Jupiters aspect there ? As a benfic> > > planet and malefic Lord aspecting ? Or just a Benefic planet aspecting ?> > > ]> > > > > > Same for Saturn...> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./>