House No. 8!, SUICIDE

February 4, 2010

Dear Kulbir Bhai,Hare Rama Krsna,In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H. [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H] and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him. As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness] Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far enough to japanese culture.> I am making your job easier.> you reside at Jaipur.> What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> Â Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________> Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> Re: Re: House No. 8!> > Â > Dear Goel ji,> What do you have to say about > Kamikaze> Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential treatment.> Â Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________> vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > Â > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> lalkitab groups.> Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put forward> by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//> > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see previous post.> > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!> > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly explain you logics behind it over phone. > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet confrontation over thought, don't worry > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my heart.. > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25> > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand> > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context> > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they> > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and> > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > fear anybody other than God.> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for> > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will> > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > unnecessary remarks.> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me> > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am> > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a "Dharmi> > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this as> > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie> > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise. But> > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull> > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while> > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive> > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which> > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense> > talkings ?> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to> > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as> > we are cultured people.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃ‚ > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary combinations> > in my chart ?> > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > Please explain this part.//> > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > ...?//> > > Ã‚> > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.> > > Ã‚ Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Ã‚> > > Dear Goel ji,> > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > consciousness my dear !. //> > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚ My> > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃ‚ doing my> > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias> > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > inspire to> > > > live life at all condition.//> > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken> > of as weak.> > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > eat> > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //> > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > chart...> > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > ...?> > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat> > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and> > highly irrelevant.. .> > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been> > transparent about it...> > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > saint ?> > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃ‚ > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary combinations> > in my chart ?> > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > Please explain this part.> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > Ã‚> > > Ã‚> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > >> > > > //> > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > >> > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > //> > > >> > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and> > Sun in> > > > the chart.> > > >> > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > cope> > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > help> > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > One> > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > >> > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > inspire to> > > > live life at all condition.> > > >> > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > consciousness> > > > my dear !.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > >> > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > >> > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > I have just put my thought > > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > >> > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > >> > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One> > must> > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order> > to> > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > >> > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who> > was> > > > a> > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > checking> > > > the> > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have> > got> > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> > > > cannot> > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.> > He> > > > > has> > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv> > mehta> > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> > > > only> > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am> > also> > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.> > Its> > > > effects> > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > > > > antihero.> > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒâ€š adverse> > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > through> > > > > out> > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and> > Jup> > > > > in> > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for> > and> > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > authentic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > secrets> > > > > and> > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > which> > > > are> > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..> > in>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not astrology.> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > Kachuaa> > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will> > see> > > > > that.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and> > > > which> > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification> > of> > > > VRY> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > Horoscope> > > > > as> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > september> > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > Lagna.> > > > Its> > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated> > and> > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras> > and> > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > ..and> > > > how> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me> > what> > > > > will> > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > now...> > > > and> > > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > interested..> > > > > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it> > NOW!> > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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February 4, 2010

As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that "Yes do it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one thinks that Astrologers do not know their work.

BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have died and we have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their state of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who is drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the waves.

The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.

So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that Suicide is a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part of Vedic teachings.

Bhaskar.

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the> negative aspect of 8H and> Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the> positive aspect of 8H.> [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally> dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna> and status of moon sign]> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin> and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong> nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of> prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices.> He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he> worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha> hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in> scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife> too worried of him.> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN,> the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform> suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is> delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of> Happiness]> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical> mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > , Lalkitab Kb> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far enough> to japanese culture.> > I am making your job easier.> > you reside at Jaipur.> > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > Â Regards> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > Re: Re: House No. 8!> >> > Â> > Dear Goel ji,> > What do you have to say about> > Kamikaze> > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential> treatment.> > Â Regards> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > Â> >> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//> >> > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected> Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see> previous post.> >> > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of> bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of> self, anytime, anywhere.!> >> > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun> and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> >> > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning> 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will> certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> >> > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet> confrontation over thought, don't worry > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through> my heart.. > >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > >> > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt> 25> > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > >> > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not> understand> > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no> context> > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > >> > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should> they> > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations> and> > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > > fear anybody other than God.> > >> > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not> for> > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this> will> > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > unnecessary remarks.> > >> > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen> me> > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > >> > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that> I am> > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a> "Dharmi> > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > >> > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this> as> > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about> Movie> > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.> But> > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to> pull> > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a> while> > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are> aggressive> > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > with them in the ways they understand)> > >> > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about> which> > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such> nonsense> > > talkings ?> > >> > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> gentleman to> > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels> as> > > we are cultured people.> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> willÃ‚> > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> you> > > ...?//> > > > Ã‚> > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put> forward> > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.> > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > >> > > > Ã‚> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚ My> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃ‚> doing my> > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no> bias> > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be> spoken> > > of as weak.> > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> and> > > eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> 5H.. //> > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > chart...> > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> you> > > ...?> > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and> eat> > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right> and> > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always> been> > > transparent about it...> > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > saint ?> > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃ‚> > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > Ã‚> > > > Ã‚> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > >> > > > > //> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter> and> > > Sun in> > > > > the chart.> > > > >> > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> to> > > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> to> > > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> suicide.> > > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > >> > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who> has> > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > >> > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness> > > > > my dear !.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > >> > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki> tabahi ka> > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > >> > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > >> > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > >> > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> to> > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> to> > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> suicide.> > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.> One> > > must> > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in> order> > > to> > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe> who> > > was> > > > > a> > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them> to> > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > checking> > > > > the> > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them> have> > > got> > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.> One> > > > > cannot> > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in> movies.> > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> chiranjiv> > > mehta> > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is> the> > > > > only> > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i> am> > > also> > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not> expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.> > > Its> > > > > effects> > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is> an> > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒâ€š> adverse> > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > through> > > > > > out> > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup> and> > > Jup> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are> fairly> > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling> for> > > and> > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > authentic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed> down> > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > secrets> > > > > > and> > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > which> > > > > are> > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> .co..> > > in>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not astrology.> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who> will> > > see> > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to> strong> > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and> > > > > which> > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> frutification> > > of> > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > Horoscope> > > > > > as> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > > september> > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > Lagna.> > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> debilitated> > > and> > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in> kendras> > > and> > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > > ..and> > > > > how> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell> me> > > what> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > now...> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > > interested..> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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February 4, 2010

Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish statements on Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are very smart and wise to call us fools.

Good.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any> misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one> who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that "Yes do> it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one thinks that> Astrologers do not know their work.> > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to> calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have died and we> have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their state> of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a> arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who is> drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a> seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did> not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for> his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the waves.> > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.> > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any> organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every> part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in> his body in next Birth.> > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that Suicide is> a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let> us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness> ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part> of Vedic teachings.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> >> > Hare Rama Krsna,> >> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the> > negative aspect of 8H and> > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the> > positive aspect of 8H.> > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> >> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally> > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of> lagna> > and status of moon sign]> >> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major> sin> > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> >> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong> > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> >> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner> of> > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many> offices.> > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he> > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se> accaha> > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> >> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in> > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife> > too worried of him.> >> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of> SUN,> > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> >> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform> > suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is> > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid> of> > Happiness]> >> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical> > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> >> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> >> > , Lalkitab Kb> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far> enough> > to japanese culture.> > > I am making your job easier.> > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > Â Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Â> > > Dear Goel ji,> > > What do you have to say about> > > Kamikaze> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential> > treatment.> > > Â Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put> forward> > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//> > >> > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected> > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please> see> > previous post.> > >> > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act> of> > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder> of> > self, anytime, anywhere.!> > >> > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun> > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > >> > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and> turning> > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > >> > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will> > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> > >> > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet> > confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire> through> > my heart.. > > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > >> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun> in> > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I> learnt> > 25> > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > >> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About> alochol> > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not> > understand> > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no> > context> > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > >> > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should> > they> > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations> > and> > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do> not> > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > >> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not> > for> > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this> > will> > > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > >> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them> who> > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen> > me> > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > >> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute> that> > I am> > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a> > "Dharmi> > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > >> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days> ago> > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this> > as> > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about> > Movie> > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.> > But> > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to> > pull> > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a> > while> > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are> > aggressive> > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by> co-relating> > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > >> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about> > which> > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such> > nonsense> > > > talkings ?> > > >> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> > gentleman to> > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those> levels> > as> > > > we are cultured people.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > willÃ‚> > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> > combinations> > > > in my chart ?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I> ask> > you> > > > ...?//> > > > > Ã‚> > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put> > forward> > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.> > > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > >> > > > > Ã‚> > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚ My> > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃ‚> > doing my> > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no> > bias> > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to> > > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be> > spoken> > > > of as weak.> > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> > and> > > > eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> > 5H.. //> > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > > chart...> > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> > you> > > > ...?> > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and> > eat> > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not> right> > and> > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always> > been> > > > transparent about it...> > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are> a> > > > saint ?> > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> willÃ‚> > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> > combinations> > > > in my chart ?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > Ã‚> > > > > Ã‚> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > >> > > > > > //> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > //> > > > > >> > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter> > and> > > > Sun in> > > > > > the chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been> able> > to> > > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> > to> > > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > > >> > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> -> > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna,> who> > has> > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to> > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > >> > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness> > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > >> > > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki> > tabahi ka> > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > >> > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> and> > eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> 5H.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >> > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been> able> > to> > > > cope> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,> close> > > > family> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from> society> > to> > > > help> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.> > One> > > > must> > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in> > order> > > > to> > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn> Monroe> > who> > > > was> > > > > > a> > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in> them> > to> > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > > checking> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them> > have> > > > got> > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY> periods.> > One> > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in> > movies.> > > > He> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > chiranjiv> > > > mehta> > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that> is> > the> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that> i> > am> > > > also> > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be> something.> > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not> > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.> > > > Its> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is> > an> > > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong> inÃƒâ€š> > adverse> > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.> 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H> dashas> > > > through> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of> Jup> > and> > > > Jup> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are> > fairly> > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was> calling> > for> > > > and> > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed> > down> > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life> of> > > > secrets> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the> legend> > > > which> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H> again?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking> about!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > .co..> > > > in>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not astrology.> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Indian> > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who> > will> > > > see> > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to> > strong> > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> > frutification> > > > of> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently> since> > > > > > september> > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for> my> > > > Lagna.> > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> > debilitated> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in> > kendras> > > > and> > > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work> here> > > > ..and> > > > > > how> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell> > me> > > > what> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > > now...> > > > > > and> > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > > > interested..> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8.> Get> > it> > > > NOW!> > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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February 4, 2010

Dear Goel Ji,

Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ? RegardsKulbir Bains

vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Dear Kulbir Bhai,Hare Rama Krsna,In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H. [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.As an

astrologer i strongly condemn it.In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H] and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him. As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness] Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough to japanese culture.> I am making your job easier.> you reside at Jaipur.> What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.>

Ã‚ Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > Ã‚ > Dear Goel ji,> What do you have to say about > Kamikaze> Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚ I don't require any preferential treatment.> Ã‚ Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > Ã‚ > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > //> I am sure Dear

Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> lalkitab groups.> Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward> by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//> > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see previous post.> > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!> > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > Atleast how he is going to show the

path of malefic saturn and turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly explain you logics behind it over phone. > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet confrontation over thought, don't worry > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my heart.. > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25> >

years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand> > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context> > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they> > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and> > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > fear anybody other than God.> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for> > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will> > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > unnecessary

remarks.> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me> > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am> > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a "Dharmi> > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this as> > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie> > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise. But> > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull> > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the

language they> > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while> > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive> > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which> > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense> > talkings ?> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to> > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as> > we are cultured people.> > > > best wishes,> > >

> Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations> > in my chart ?> > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > Please explain this part.//> > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > ...?//> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their

lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.> > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > Dear Goel ji,> > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > consciousness my dear !. //> > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My> > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š doing my> > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias> > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any

other planet..> > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > inspire to> > > > live life at all condition.//> > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken> > of as weak.> > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > eat> > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //> > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > chart...> > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to

you, may I ask you> > ...?> > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat> > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and> > highly irrelevant.. .> > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been> > transparent about it...> > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > saint ?> > > But who says that I am a sinner.... ?> > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations> > in my chart ?> > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > Please explain this part.> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > Ãƒâ€š> > >> >

>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > >> > > > //> > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > >> > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > //> > > >> > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and> > Sun in> > > > the chart.> > > >> > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > cope> > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

from, close family> > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > help> > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > One> > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > >> > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > inspire to> > > > live life at all condition.> > > >> > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > consciousness> > > > my dear !.> > >

>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > >> > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > >> > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > I have just put my thought > > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > >

> Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > >> > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > >>

> > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One> > must> > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order> > to> > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > >> > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who> > was> > > > a> > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >

> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > checking> > > > the> > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have> > got> > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> > > > cannot> > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.> > He> > > > > has> > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv> > mehta> > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> > > > only> > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am> > also> > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.> > Its> > > > effects> > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > > > > antihero.>

> > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ adverse> > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > >

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > through> > > > > out> > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and> > Jup> > > > > in> > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > gmail.com>> > > >

> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for> > and> > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > authentic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The lady

enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > secrets> > > > > and> > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > which> > > > are> > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure you all would've

guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..> > in>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > Kachuaa> > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will> > see> > > > > that.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > >

> > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and> > > > which> > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification> > of> > > > VRY> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > Horoscope> > > > > as> > > > > > a> >

> > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > september> > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > Lagna.> > > > Its> > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated> > and> > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras> > and> > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > ..and> > > > how> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me> > what> > > > > will> > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > now....> > > > and> > > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > interested..> > > > > .> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it> > NOW!> > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >

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February 4, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

//Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.//

Same was the belief in ancient Chinese culture too. Young boys castrated for service in the Emperor's harem put/secured their testicles in glass containers so that it would be used in their last rites.RegardsKulbir Bains

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:13:03 AM Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that "Yes do it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one thinks that Astrologers do not know their work.

BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have died and we have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their state of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who is drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the waves.

The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.

So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that Suicide is a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part of Vedic teachings.

Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the> negative aspect of 8H and> Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the> positive aspect of 8H.> [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally> dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna> and status of moon sign]> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin> and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong> nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish

statements.> As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of> prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices.> He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he> worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha> hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in> scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife> too worried of him.> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN,> the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform> suicide, "the act of cowardice",[ Karak :

debilitated Mars, see mars is> delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of> Happiness]> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical> mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough> to japanese culture.> > I am making your job easier.> > you reside at Jaipur.> > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > Ã‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __>

> Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > Ã‚> > Dear Goel ji,> > What do you have to say about> > Kamikaze> > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚ I don't require any preferential> treatment.> > Ã‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!> >> > Ã‚> >> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got

infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//> >> > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected> Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see> previous post.> >> > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of> bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of> self, anytime, anywhere.!> >> > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun> and Moon, (all karak for lagna

and body) which are source of light.> >> > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning> 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will> certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> >> > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet> confrontation over thought, don't worry > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through> my heart.. > >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> >

>> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > >> > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt> 25> > > years ago, while studying this great Book..> > >> > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not> understand> > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no> context> > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > >> > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should> they> > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations> and> > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do

not> > > fear anybody other than God.> > >> > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not> for> > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this> will> > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > unnecessary remarks.> > >> > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen> me> > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > >> > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that> I am> > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a> "Dharmi> > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > >> > > I talk about alcohol too, in

Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this> as> > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about> Movie> > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.> But> > > let me be honest once again.. these are all marketing strategies to> pull> > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a> while> > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are> aggressive> > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > with them in the ways they understand)> > >> >

> People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about> which> > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such> nonsense> > > talkings ?> > >> > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> gentleman to> > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels> as> > > we are cultured people.> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >

Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> willÃƒâ€š> > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary> combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> you> > > ...?//> > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups..> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put> forward> > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.> > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > >> > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š> doing my> > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no> bias> > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > // Leo native are normally

inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be> spoken> > > of as weak.> > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> and> > > eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> 5H.. //> > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > chart...> > > > But the

rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> you> > > ...?> > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and> eat> > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right> and> > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always> been> > > transparent about it...> > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > saint ?> > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š> > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary> combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please

explain this part.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > >> > > > > //> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

Jupiter> and> > > Sun in> > > > > the chart.> > > > >> > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> to> > > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> to> > > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> suicide.> > > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > >> > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who>

has> > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > >> > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness> > > > > my dear !.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > >> > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki> tabahi ka> > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > >> > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > >

> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > >> > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.....> > > > > >> > > > > >

Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > >> > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> to> > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> to> > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> suicide.> > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.> One> > > must> > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in> order> > > to> > > > > >

take such a major step in Life.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe> who> > > was> > > > > a> > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them> to> > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented

over here, start> > > checking> > > > > the> > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them> have> > > got> > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.> One> > > > > cannot> > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in> movies.> > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> chiranjiv> > > mehta> > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is> the> > > > > only> > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i> am> > > also> > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not> expressingÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.> > > Its> > > > > effects> > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie

with the main character is> an> > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> adverse> > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010,

4:12 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > through> > > > > > out> > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup> and> > > Jup> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are> fairly> > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling> for> > > and> > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > authentic.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed> down> > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > secrets> > > > > > and> > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > which> > > > > are> >

> > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> .co..> > > in>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > >

Kachuaa> > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who> will> > > see> > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to> strong> > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and> > > > > which> > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> frutification> > > of> > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > Horoscope> > > > > > as> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently

since> > > > > september> > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > Lagna.> > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> debilitated> > > and> > > > > > > > > retrograde both..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in> kendras> > > and> > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > > ..and> > > > > how> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell> me> > > what> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > now...> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such

...I am not> > > > > interested..> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get> it> > > NOW!>

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February 4, 2010

Respected all,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action than

karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.

Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into river to

save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.

Both person perform the act of 8H.

Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?, who is brave

or cowardice ?

Thankyou,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish statements on

> Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are very

> smart and wise to call us fools.

>

> Good.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any

> > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one

> > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide " . that " Yes do

> > it. Its an act of bravery " . This is foolish thinking if one thinks

> that

> > Astrologers do not know their work.

> >

> > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to

> > calll them " Cowards " . No Sir. This is not to be. They have died and we

> > have no right to call them " Cowards " without understanding their state

> > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on

> a

> > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who

> is

> > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a

> > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did

> > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for

> > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the

> waves.

> >

> > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

> >

> > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any

> > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every

> > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part

> in

> > his body in next Birth.

> >

> > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that Suicide

> is

> > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let

> > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad

> mindedness

> > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a

> part

> > of Vedic teachings.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijay.goel "

> > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > >

> > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the

> > > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the

> > > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > >

> > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally

> > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of

> > lagna

> > > and status of moon sign]

> > >

> > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major

> > sin

> > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> significance.

> > >

> > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong

> > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > >

> > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the

> owner

> > of

> > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many

> > offices.

> > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control,

> he

> > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se

> > accaha

> > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > >

> > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon

> in

> > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his

> wife

> > > too worried of him.

> > >

> > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of

> > SUN,

> > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

> > >

> > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform

> > > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars

> is

> > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration,

> devoid

> > of

> > > Happiness]

> > >

> > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their

> physical

> > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

> > >

> > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > , Lalkitab Kb

> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far

> > enough

> > > to japanese culture.

> > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

> > > >

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > Kamikaze

> > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential

> > > treatment.

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >

> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> from

> > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put

> > forward

> > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//

> > > >

> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> respected

> > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please

> > see

> > > previous post.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the

> act

> > of

> > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of

> murder

> > of

> > > self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > >

> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by

> Sun

> > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.

> > > >

> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and

> > turning

> > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > >

> > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet

> > > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire

> > through

> > > my heart..

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun

> > in

> > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I

> > learnt

> > > 25

> > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About

> > alochol

> > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not

> > > understand

> > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no

> > > context

> > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why

> should

> > > they

> > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> himiliations

> > > and

> > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do

> > not

> > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and

> not

> > > for

> > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........

> .this

> > > will

> > > > > happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other

> such

> > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them

> > who

> > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever

> seen

> > > me

> > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute

> > that

> > > I am

> > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a

> > > " Dharmi

> > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days

> > ago

> > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take

> this

> > > as

> > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about

> > > Movie

> > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never

> realise.

> > > But

> > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies

> to

> > > pull

> > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language

> they

> > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a

> > > while

> > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi

> ka

> > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are

> > > aggressive

> > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> > co-relating

> > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > >

> > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology

> about

> > > which

> > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such

> > > nonsense

> > > > > talkings ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> > > gentleman to

> > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge

> of

> > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those

> > levels

> > > as

> > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > willÃ‚

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary

> > > combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I

> > ask

> > > you

> > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> from

> > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put

> > > forward

> > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.

> > > > > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚ My

> > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃ‚

> > > doing my

> > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with

> no

> > > bias

> > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a

> suicide,

> > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be

> > > spoken

> > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> alcohol

> > > and

> > > > > eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the

> > > 5H.. //

> > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my

> > > > > chart...

> > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I

> ask

> > > you

> > > > > ...?

> > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol

> and

> > > eat

> > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not

> > right

> > > and

> > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always

> > > been

> > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You

> are

> > a

> > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > willÃ‚

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary

> > > combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " vijay.goel "

> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

> Jupiter

> > > and

> > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> close

> > > family

> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> society

> > > to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> ---------

> > -

> > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna,

> > who

> > > has

> > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki

> > > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol

> > and

> > > eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the

> > 5H.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> > close

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > society

> > > to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do

> this.

> > > One

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life

> in

> > > order

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn

> > Monroe

> > > who

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in

> > them

> > > to

> > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,

> start

> > > > > checking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of

> them

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY

> > periods.

> > > One

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in

> > > movies.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > chiranjiv

> > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like

> that

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere

> that

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be

> > something.

> > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not

> > > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character

> is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > antihero.

> > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> > inÃƒâ€š

> > > adverse

> > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.

> > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H

> > dashas

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of

> > Jup

> > > and

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We

> are

> > > fairly

> > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was

> > calling

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results

> listed

> > > down

> > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life

> > of

> > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the

> > legend

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H

> > again?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking

> > about!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > .co..

> > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Indian

> > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who

> > > will

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > > frutification

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.

> 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer

> my

> > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently

> > since

> > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for

> > my

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in

> > > kendras

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work

> > here

> > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but

> tell

> > > me

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about

> material

> > > > > now...

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am

> not

> > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

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February 4, 2010

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

Their are many Rishi who donated their whole body for the cause, and many Kings

who donated their flesh for the good cause, to keep their promise.

Donation and sacrifice is the tradition of vedic culture, it could be anything.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> //Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is

against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body

must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next

Birth.//

> Â

> SameÂ was the belief in ancient Chinese culture too. Young boys castrated for

service in the Emperor's harem put/secured their testicles in glass containers

so that it would be used in their last rites.Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:13:03 AM

> Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

>

> Â

> As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any misgivings

please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one who comes to us and

say that " I want to commit suicide " . that " Yes do it. Its an act of bravery " .Â

This is foolish thinking if one thinks that Astrologers do not know their work.

> BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to calll

them " Cowards " . No Sir. This is not to be.. They have died and we have no right

to call them " Cowards " without understanding their state of helplessness. . Its

very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a arm chair with a Coffee in ones

hand on how to swim , to a person who is drowning, but to go inside the waves

and help the drowning person is a seperate matter. And because he was drowned we

cannot say that he did not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was

too hard for his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the

waves.

> The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

> Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is

against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body

must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.

> So if you say that you believeÂ that vedic teachings say that Suicide is a sin

( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let us not be

hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness ins aying that

donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part of Vedic teachings.

> Bhaskar. Â

> Â

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna,

> >

> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the

> > negative aspect of 8H and

> > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the

> > positive aspect of 8H.

> > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> >

> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally

> > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna

> > and status of moon sign]

> >

> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin

> > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

> >

> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong

> > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> >

> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of

> > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices.

> > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he

> > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha

> > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> >

> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in

> > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife

> > too worried of him.

> >

> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN,

> > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

> >

> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform

> > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is

> > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of

> > Happiness]

> >

> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical

> > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

> >

> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough

> > to japanese culture.

> > > I am making your job easier.

> > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ã‚

> > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > What do you have to say about

> > > Kamikaze

> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚ I don't require any preferential

> > treatment.

> > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) . com>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ã‚

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > lalkitab groups.

> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//

> > >

> > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected

> > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see

> > previous post.

> > >

> > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of

> > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of

> > self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > >

> > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun

> > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.

> > >

> > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning

> > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > >

> > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet

> > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through

> > my heart..

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in

> > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt

> > 25

> > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > >

> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol

> > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not

> > understand

> > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no

> > context

> > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > >

> > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should

> > they

> > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations

> > and

> > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not

> > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > >

> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not

> > for

> > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this

> > will

> > > > happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other such

> > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > >

> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who

> > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen

> > me

> > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > >

> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that

> > I am

> > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a

> > " Dharmi

> > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > >

> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago

> > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take this

> > as

> > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about

> > Movie

> > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.

> > But

> > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to

> > pull

> > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they

> > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a

> > while

> > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka

> > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are

> > aggressive

> > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating

> > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > >

> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about

> > which

> > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such

> > nonsense

> > > > talkings ?

> > > >

> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> > gentleman to

> > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of

> > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels

> > as

> > > > we are cultured people.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary

> > combinations

> > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask

> > you

> > > > ...?//

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put

> > forward

> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š

> > doing my

> > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no

> > bias

> > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > inspire to

> > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,

> > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be

> > spoken

> > > > of as weak.

> > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol

> > and

> > > > eat

> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > enemy

> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the

> > 5H.. //

> > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my

> > > > chart...

> > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask

> > you

> > > > ...?

> > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and

> > eat

> > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right

> > and

> > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always

> > been

> > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a

> > > > saint ?

> > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary

> > combinations

> > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //

> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter

> > and

> > > > Sun in

> > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able

> > to

> > > > cope

> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > family

> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society

> > to

> > > > help

> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > suicide.

> > > > One

> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who

> > has

> > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > inspire to

> > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > consciousness

> > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki

> > tabahi ka

> > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and

> > eat

> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > enemy

> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able

> > to

> > > > cope

> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > > > family

> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society

> > to

> > > > help

> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > suicide.

> > > > One

> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.

> > One

> > > > must

> > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in

> > order

> > > > to

> > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe

> > who

> > > > was

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them

> > to

> > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start

> > > > checking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them

> > have

> > > > got

> > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.

> > One

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in

> > movies.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > chiranjiv

> > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is

> > the

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i

> > am

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.

> > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not

> > expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.

> > > > Its

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is

> > an

> > > > > > > antihero.

> > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > adverse

> > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas

> > > > through

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup

> > and

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are

> > fairly

> > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling

> > for

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed

> > down

> > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of

> > > > secrets

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend

> > > > which

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > .co..

> > > > in>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian

> > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who

> > will

> > > > see

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to

> > strong

> > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > frutification

> > > > of

> > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my

> > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since

> > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> > debilitated

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in

> > kendras

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here

> > > > ..and

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell

> > me

> > > > what

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material

> > > > now...

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not

> > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

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February 4, 2010

Dear Goel Ji,

Lord Krishna was reponsible for so many suicides.

My posts lack astrological content.

I will reload and come back. RegardsKulbir Bains

vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:35:30 AM Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Respected all,Hare Rama Krsna,Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action than karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into river to save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.Both person perform the act of 8H.Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?, who is brave or cowardice ?Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish statements on> Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are

very> smart and wise to call us fools.> > Good.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> >> > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any> > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one> > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that "Yes do> > it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one thinks> that> > Astrologers do not know their work.> >> > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to> > calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have died and we>

> have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their state> > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on> a> > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who> is> > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a> > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did> > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for> > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the> waves.> >> > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.> >> > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any> > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every> > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part> in> > his

body in next Birth.> >> > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that Suicide> is> > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let> > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad> mindedness> > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a> part> > of Vedic teachings.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna,>

> >> > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the> > > negative aspect of 8H and> > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the> > > positive aspect of 8H.> > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > >> > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally> > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of> > lagna> > > and status of moon sign]> > >> > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major> > sin> > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H> significance.> > >> > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong> > > nerves', big guts etc

etc,... just foolish statements.> > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > >> > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the> owner> > of> > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many> > offices.> > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control,> he> > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se> > accaha> > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > >> > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon> in> > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his> wife> > > too worried of him.> > >> > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the

path\teaching of> > SUN,> > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > >> > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform> > > suicide, "the act of cowardice",[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars> is> > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration,> devoid> > of> > > Happiness]> > >> > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their> physical> > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > >> > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far> > enough> > > to japanese culture.> > > > I am making your job easier.> > > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > >> > > > Ã‚> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > What do you have to say about> > > > Kamikaze> > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚ I don't require any preferential> > > treatment.> > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> >

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > >> > > > Ã‚> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend> from> > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put> > forward> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//> > > >> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is> respected> > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please> > see> > > previous post.> > > >> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > >> > > >

------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the> act> > of> > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of> murder> > of> > > self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > >> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by> Sun> > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > > >> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and> > turning> > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > >> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi,

but i will> > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> > > >> > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet> > > confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire> > through> > > my heart.. > > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > The statement which he put up regards to

the position of the Sun> > in> > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I> > learnt> > > 25> > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > >> > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About> > alochol> > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not> > > understand> > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no> > > context> > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > >> > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why> should> > > they> > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their> himiliations> >

> and> > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do> > not> > > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > > >> > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and> not> > > for> > > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........> .this> > > will> > > > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other> such> > > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > >> > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them> > who> > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever> seen> > > me> > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > >>

> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute> > that> > > I am> > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a> > > "Dharmi> > > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > >> > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days> > ago> > > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take> this> > > as> > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about> > > Movie> > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never> realise.> > > But> > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies> to> > > pull> > > > > the common

folks towards yourself, by talking in the language> they> > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a> > > while> > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi> ka> > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are> > > aggressive> > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by> > co-relating> > > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > >> > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology> about> > > which> > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such> > > nonsense> > > > > talkings ?> > > > >> > > > > Forget it..... dear

Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> > > gentleman to> > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge> of> > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those> > levels> > > as> > > > > we are cultured people.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > >

> > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > > willÃƒâ€š> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary> > > combinations> > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I> > ask> > > you> > > > > ...?//> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend> from> > > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put> > > forward> > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.>

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > >> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My> >

> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š> > > doing my> > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with> no> > > bias> > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,> they> > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a> suicide,> > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be> > > spoken> > > > > of as weak.> > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink> alcohol> > > and> > > > > eat> >

> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> > saturn> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > > enemy> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> > > 5H.. //> > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > > > chart...> > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I> ask> > > you> > > > > ...?> > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol> and> > > eat> > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not> > right> > >

and> > > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always> > > been> > > > > transparent about it...> > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You> are> > a> > > > > saint ?> > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > willÃƒâ€š> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary> > > combinations> > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "vijay.goel"> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it..> > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a

man.> > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of> Jupiter> > > and> > > > > Sun in> > > > > > > the chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been> > able> > > to> > > > > cope> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,> close> > > family> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from> society> > > to> > > > > help> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > > suicide.> > > > > One> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> ---------> > -> > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna,> > who> > > has> > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,> they> > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > > consciousness> > > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki> > > tabahi ka> > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> > and> > > eat> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> > saturn> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > > enemy> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> > 5H.> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > They

may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been> > able> > > to> > > > > cope> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,> > close> > > > > family> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from> > society> > > to> > > > > help> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > > suicide.> > > > > One> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do> this.> > > One> > > > > must> > > > > > > > have to face so much

hopelessness and desperation in Life> in> > > order> > > > > to> > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn> > Monroe> > > who> > > > > was> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in> > them> > > to> > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> >

"Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,> start> > > > > checking> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of> them> > > have> > > > > got> > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY> > periods.> > > One> > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in> > >

movies.> > > > > He> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > chiranjiv> > > > > mehta> > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > >

> > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like> that> > is> > > the> > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere> that> > i> > > am> > > > > also> > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations.. There must be> > something.> > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not> > > expressingÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.> > > > > Its> > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character> is> > > an> > > > > > > >

antihero.> > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong> > inÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > adverse> > > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.> > 8!> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H> > dashas> > > > > through> > > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of> > Jup> > > and> > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > in> > > > > >

> > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this

discussion. We> are> > > fairly> > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was> > calling> > > for> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results> listed> > > down> > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life> > of> > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the> > legend> > > > > which> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H> > again?> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking> > about!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > .co..> > > > > in>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Indian> > > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who> > > will> > > > > see> > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to> > > strong> > > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> > > frutification> > > > > of> > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.> 8!> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer> my> > > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently> > since> > > > > > > september> > > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord

for> > my> > > > > Lagna.> > > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> > > debilitated> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in> > > kendras> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work> > here> > > > > ..and> > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but> tell> > > me> > > > > what> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about> material> > > > > now...> > > > > > > and> >

> > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am> not> > > > > > > interested..> > > > > > > > ..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Many Kings also hunted . Can we call killings of animals as Vedic culture to be

emulated ?

Donation by Rishis, and donation done by a King of the flesh of his body , was

done in a Yuga which we cannot even imagine about. We are talking of this Yuga.

When this King donated flesh to make the weight on the scales equal, the Gods

appeared and blessed him.

The Rishi Dadichi donated his bones only on insistence of the Gods for a good

cause.

The Rishis and such great Kings were already marked for Moksha due to their

greatness, and were in constant communion with the gedeats like Narada Muni etc.

Whom do we communicate with ?

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

>

> Their are many Rishi who donated their whole body for the cause, and many

Kings who donated their flesh for the good cause, to keep their promise.

>

> Donation and sacrifice is the tradition of vedic culture, it could be

anything.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > //Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ

is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body

must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next

Birth.//

> > Â

> > SameÂ was the belief in ancient Chinese culture too. Young boys castrated

for service in the Emperor's harem put/secured their testicles in glass

containers so that it would be used in their last rites.Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >

> > Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:13:03 AM

> > Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

> >

> > Â

> > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any misgivings

please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one who comes to us and

say that " I want to commit suicide " . that " Yes do it. Its an act of bravery " .Â

This is foolish thinking if one thinks that Astrologers do not know their work.

> > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to calll

them " Cowards " . No Sir. This is not to be.. They have died and we have no right

to call them " Cowards " without understanding their state of helplessness. . Its

very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a arm chair with a Coffee in ones

hand on how to swim , to a person who is drowning, but to go inside the waves

and help the drowning person is a seperate matter. And because he was drowned we

cannot say that he did not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was

too hard for his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the

waves.

> > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

> > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is

against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body

must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.

> > So if you say that you believeÂ that vedic teachings say that Suicide is a

sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let us not be

hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness ins aying that

donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part of Vedic teachings.

> > Bhaskar. Â

> > Â

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > >

> > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the

> > > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the

> > > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > >

> > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally

> > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna

> > > and status of moon sign]

> > >

> > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin

> > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

> > >

> > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong

> > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > >

> > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of

> > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices.

> > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he

> > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha

> > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > >

> > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in

> > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife

> > > too worried of him.

> > >

> > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN,

> > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

> > >

> > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform

> > > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is

> > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of

> > > Happiness]

> > >

> > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical

> > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

> > >

> > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough

> > > to japanese culture.

> > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > Kamikaze

> > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚ I don't require any preferential

> > > treatment.

> > > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) . com>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >

> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//

> > > >

> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected

> > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see

> > > previous post.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of

> > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of

> > > self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > >

> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun

> > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.

> > > >

> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning

> > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > >

> > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet

> > > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through

> > > my heart..

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in

> > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt

> > > 25

> > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol

> > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not

> > > understand

> > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no

> > > context

> > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should

> > > they

> > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations

> > > and

> > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not

> > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not

> > > for

> > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this

> > > will

> > > > > happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other such

> > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who

> > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen

> > > me

> > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that

> > > I am

> > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a

> > > " Dharmi

> > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago

> > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take this

> > > as

> > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about

> > > Movie

> > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.

> > > But

> > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to

> > > pull

> > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they

> > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a

> > > while

> > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka

> > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are

> > > aggressive

> > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating

> > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > >

> > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about

> > > which

> > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such

> > > nonsense

> > > > > talkings ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> > > gentleman to

> > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of

> > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels

> > > as

> > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary

> > > combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask

> > > you

> > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put

> > > forward

> > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š

> > > doing my

> > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no

> > > bias

> > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,

> > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be

> > > spoken

> > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol

> > > and

> > > > > eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the

> > > 5H.. //

> > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my

> > > > > chart...

> > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask

> > > you

> > > > > ...?

> > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and

> > > eat

> > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right

> > > and

> > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always

> > > been

> > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a

> > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary

> > > combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter

> > > and

> > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able

> > > to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > > family

> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society

> > > to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who

> > > has

> > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki

> > > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and

> > > eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able

> > > to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society

> > > to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.

> > > One

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in

> > > order

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe

> > > who

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them

> > > to

> > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start

> > > > > checking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.

> > > One

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in

> > > movies.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > chiranjiv

> > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is

> > > the

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i

> > > am

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.

> > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not

> > > expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > antihero.

> > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > adverse

> > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup

> > > and

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are

> > > fairly

> > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling

> > > for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed

> > > down

> > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of

> > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > .co..

> > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian

> > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who

> > > will

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > > frutification

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my

> > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since

> > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in

> > > kendras

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here

> > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell

> > > me

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material

> > > > > now...

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not

> > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

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February 4, 2010

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

Hare Rama Krsna,

//Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

Partly correct...

//Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

Suicide itself is purpose,

We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Goel Ji,

> Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

> Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> Â Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ________________________________

> vijay.goel <goyalvj

>

> Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

>

> Â

> Dear Kulbir Bhai,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna,

>

> In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative

aspect of 8H and

> Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive

aspect of 8H.

> [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

>

> Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent

upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon

sign]

>

> I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and

'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

>

> I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves',

big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

>

> In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of

prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He

incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly

said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar

mein hi maar jao "

>

> He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio

in rasi of mars of 8H]

> and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too

worried of him.

>

> As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the

major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

>

> So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide,

" the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H

of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]

> Â

> Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother,

who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

>

> I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go far enough to

japanese culture.

> > I am making your job easier.

> > you reside at Jaipur.

> > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > Ã‚Â Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Dear Goel ji,

> > What do you have to say about

> > Kamikaze

> > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any preferential treatment.

> > Ã‚Â Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > lalkitab groups.

> > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//

> >

> > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected

Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see

previous post.

> >

> > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of

bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of self,

anytime, anywhere.!

> >

> > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and

Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.

> >

> > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H

negative, curtailing longetivity.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly

explain you logics behind it over phone.

> >

> > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet

confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my

heart..

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in

> > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25

> > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > >

> > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol

> > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand

> > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context

> > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > >

> > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they

> > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and

> > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not

> > > fear anybody other than God.

> > >

> > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for

> > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will

> > > happen ... " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other such

> > > unnecessary remarks.

> > >

> > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who

> > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me

> > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > >

> > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am

> > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a " Dharmi

> > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > >

> > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago

> > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take this as

> > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie

> > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never realise. But

> > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull

> > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they

> > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while

> > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka

> > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive

> > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating

> > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > >

> > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which

> > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense

> > > talkings ?

> > >

> > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to

> > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of

> > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as

> > > we are cultured people.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations

> > > in my chart ?

> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you

> > > ...?//

> > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.

> > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My

> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š doing my

> > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias

> > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > inspire to

> > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,

> > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken

> > > of as weak.

> > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and

> > > eat

> > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy

> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //

> > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my

> > > chart...

> > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you

> > > ...?

> > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat

> > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and

> > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been

> > > transparent about it...

> > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a

> > > saint ?

> > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations

> > > in my chart ?

> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

> > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > >

> > > > > //

> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > >

> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and

> > > Sun in

> > > > > the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to

> > > cope

> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family

> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to

> > > help

> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.

> > > One

> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > >

> > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has

> > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > inspire to

> > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > consciousness

> > > > > my dear !.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > >

> > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka

> > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > >

> > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat

> > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy

> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > >

> > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to

> > > cope

> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > > family

> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to

> > > help

> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.

> > > One

> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One

> > > must

> > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order

> > > to

> > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who

> > > was

> > > > > a

> > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to

> > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start

> > > checking

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have

> > > got

> > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One

> > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.

> > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv

> > > mehta

> > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am

> > > also

> > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.

> > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY

well.

> > > Its

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an

> > > > > > antihero..

> > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

adverse

> > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas

> > > through

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and

> > > Jup

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly

> > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for

> > > and

> > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > authentic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down

> > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of

> > > secrets

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend

> > > which

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..

> > > in>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.

> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian

> > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will

> > > see

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong

> > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification

> > > of

> > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my

> > > Horoscope

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since

> > > > > september

> > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my

> > > Lagna.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras

> > > and

> > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here

> > > ..and

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me

> > > what

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material

> > > now...

> > > > > and

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not

> > > > > interested..

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

I will bring in a third person and write a story, which will make him a

greater brave man than these two. How does this help.

Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house. If

on one side you say that the person who committed " Suicide " is a coward,

and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the person

who is " Brave " enough to save him, also to the 8th house.

What astrology is this ?

, " vijay.goel "

<goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected all,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna,

>

> Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action

than karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.

>

> Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into

river to save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.

>

> Both person perform the act of 8H.

>

> Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?,

who is brave or cowardice ?

>

> Thankyou,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish

statements on

> > Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are very

> > smart and wise to call us fools.

> >

> > Good.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any

> > > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the

one

> > > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide " . that

" Yes do

> > > it. Its an act of bravery " . This is foolish thinking if one thinks

> > that

> > > Astrologers do not know their work.

> > >

> > > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going

to

> > > calll them " Cowards " . No Sir. This is not to be. They have died

and we

> > > have no right to call them " Cowards " without understanding their

state

> > > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore

on

> > a

> > > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person

who

> > is

> > > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person

is a

> > > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he

did

> > > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard

for

> > > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the

> > waves.

> > >

> > > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

> > >

> > > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of

any

> > > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture

every

> > > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that

part

> > in

> > > his body in next Birth.

> > >

> > > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that

Suicide

> > is

> > > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then

let

> > > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad

> > mindedness

> > > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a

> > part

> > > of Vedic teachings.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > >

> > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is

the

> > > > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is

the

> > > > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > > >

> > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is

totally

> > > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic

of

> > > lagna

> > > > and status of moon sign]

> > > >

> > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a

major

> > > sin

> > > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> > significance.

> > > >

> > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs

strong

> > > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > > >

> > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the

> > owner

> > > of

> > > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many

> > > offices.

> > > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his

control,

> > he

> > > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se

> > > accaha

> > > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > > >

> > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e.

moon

> > in

> > > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his

> > wife

> > > > too worried of him.

> > > >

> > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching

of

> > > SUN,

> > > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

[suicide].

> > > >

> > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not

perform

> > > > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see

mars

> > is

> > > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration,

> > devoid

> > > of

> > > > Happiness]

> > > >

> > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their

> > physical

> > > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat

Jannini.

> > > >

> > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > , Lalkitab Kb

> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far

> > > enough

> > > > to japanese culture.

> > > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > > Kamikaze

> > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential

> > > > treatment.

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

trend

> > from

> > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put

> > > forward

> > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> > respected

> > > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread,

please

> > > see

> > > > previous post.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is

the

> > act

> > > of

> > > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of

> > murder

> > > of

> > > > self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given

by

> > Sun

> > > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of

light.

> > > > >

> > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and

> > > turning

> > > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> > > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have

sweet

> > > > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire

> > > through

> > > > my heart..

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the

Sun

> > > in

> > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I

> > > learnt

> > > > 25

> > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About

> > > alochol

> > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could

not

> > > > understand

> > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was

no

> > > > context

> > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why

> > should

> > > > they

> > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> > himiliations

> > > > and

> > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent

and do

> > > not

> > > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters,

and

> > not

> > > > for

> > > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........

> > .this

> > > > will

> > > > > > happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other

> > such

> > > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of

them

> > > who

> > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have

ever

> > seen

> > > > me

> > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they

attrivbute

> > > that

> > > > I am

> > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is

a

> > > > " Dharmi

> > > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two

days

> > > ago

> > > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must

take

> > this

> > > > as

> > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk

about

> > > > Movie

> > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never

> > realise.

> > > > But

> > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing

strategies

> > to

> > > > pull

> > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the

language

> > they

> > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once

in a

> > > > while

> > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf

Marwadi

> > ka

> > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these

are

> > > > aggressive

> > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> > > co-relating

> > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology

> > about

> > > > which

> > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with

such

> > > > nonsense

> > > > > > talkings ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> > > > gentleman to

> > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and

knowledge

> > of

> > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those

> > > levels

> > > > as

> > > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

Kb

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > > willÃ‚

> > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary

> > > > combinations

> > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,

may I

> > > ask

> > > > you

> > > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

trend

> > from

> > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments

put

> > > > forward

> > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.

> > > > > > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping

your

> > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚

My

> > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God

andÃ‚

> > > > doing my

> > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets

....with

> > no

> > > > bias

> > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal

personalities,

> > they

> > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a

> > suicide,

> > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they

be

> > > > spoken

> > > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> > alcohol

> > > > and

> > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > > saturn

> > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

Sun's

> > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

the

> > > > 5H.. //

> > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring

to my

> > > > > > chart...

> > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may

I

> > ask

> > > > you

> > > > > > ...?

> > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink

alcohol

> > and

> > > > eat

> > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is

not

> > > right

> > > > and

> > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have

always

> > > > been

> > > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and

You

> > are

> > > a

> > > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > willÃ‚

> > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary

> > > > combinations

> > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " vijay.goel "

> > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

> > Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

been

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> > close

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > society

> > > > to

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

commit

> > > > suicide.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > ---------

> > > -

> > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo

Lagna,

> > > who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> > they

> > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping

your

> > > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad

ki

> > > > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

alcohol

> > > and

> > > > eat

> > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > > saturn

> > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

Sun's

> > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

the

> > > 5H.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

been

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

from,

> > > close

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > > society

> > > > to

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

commit

> > > > suicide.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do

> > this.

> > > > One

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in

Life

> > in

> > > > order

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to

Marilyn

> > > Monroe

> > > > who

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity

in

> > > them

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,

> > start

> > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most

of

> > them

> > > > have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY

> > > periods.

> > > > One

> > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad

roles in

> > > > movies.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his

soul.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > chiranjiv

> > > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like

> > that

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere

> > that

> > > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be

> > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not

> > > > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.

> > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main

character

> > is

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > antihero.

> > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> > > inÃƒâ€š

> > > > adverse

> > > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

No.

> > > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with

8H

> > > dashas

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in

nakshatra of

> > > Jup

> > > > and

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion.

We

> > are

> > > > fairly

> > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was

> > > calling

> > > > for

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data

is

> > > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results

> > listed

> > > > down

> > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a

life

> > > of

> > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the

> > > legend

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be

8H

> > > again?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in

8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking

> > > about!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar

<bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > .co..

> > > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not

astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > Indian

> > > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on

who

> > > > will

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead

to

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > > > frutification

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

No.

> > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I

offer

> > my

> > > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt..

Presently

> > > since

> > > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord

for

> > > my

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc....

in

> > > > kendras

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev

keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY

work

> > > here

> > > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy

but

> > tell

> > > > me

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about

> > material

> > > > > > now...

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I

am

> > not

> > > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Dear Goel Ji,

Quote some examples. Bhai baat ka wazan badhta hai. we are here to share information and knowledge.

Sage Dadhichi's contribution in giving Vajra to Indra is a good case to cite.

I don't know but how did Lord Ram made his exit vide Surayu.? RegardsKulbir Bains RegardsKulbir Bains

vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:44:27 AM Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,Their are many Rishi who donated their whole body for the cause, and many Kings who donated their flesh for the good cause, to keep their promise.Donation and sacrifice is the tradition of vedic culture, it could be anything. Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur..ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> //Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.//> Ã‚ > SameÃ‚ was the belief in ancient Chinese culture too. Young boys castrated for

service in the Emperor's harem put/secured their testicles in glass containers so that it would be used in their last rites.Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:13:03 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE> > Ã‚ > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the one who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that "Yes do it. Its an act of bravery".Ã‚ This is foolish thinking if one thinks that Astrologers do not know their

work. > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going to calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be.. They have died and we have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their state of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore on a arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person who is drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person is a seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he did not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard for his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the waves.> The 8th house has many other positive aspects.> Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of any organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture every part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that part in his body in next Birth.> So if

you say that you believeÃ‚ that vedic teachings say that Suicide is a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then let us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad mindedness ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a part of Vedic teachings.> Bhaskar. Ã‚ > Ã‚ > Ã‚ > Ã‚ > Ã‚ > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the> > negative aspect of 8H and> > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the> > positive aspect of 8H.> > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > > > Now how one

categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally> > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna> > and status of moon sign]> > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin> > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong> > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of> > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices.> > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he> > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha> > hai ki ek baar

mein hi maar jao"> > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in> > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife> > too worried of him.> > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN,> > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform> > suicide, "the act of cowardice",[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is> > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of> > Happiness]> > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical> > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > > > I hope i

have cleared my view on suicide.> > > > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃƒâ€š kamikaze you will have to go far enough> > to japanese culture.> > > I am making your job easier.> > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > Dear Goel ji,> > > What do you have to say about> > > Kamikaze> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ãƒâ€š I don't require any preferential> > treatment.> > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) . com>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > >> > > Ãƒâ€š> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >> > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put forward> > > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.//> > >> > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected> > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see> > previous post.> > >> > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of> > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of> > self, anytime, anywhere.!> > >> > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and

owns the knowledge given by Sun> > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > >> > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning> > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > >> > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will> > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> > >> > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet> > confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through> > my heart.. > > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay

Goel> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > >> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt> > 25> > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > >> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not> > understand> > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no> > context> > > > requisiting the same..... It was not in good taste.> > > >> >

> > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should> > they> > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations> > and> > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > >> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not> > for> > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this> > will> > > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > >> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen> > me> > > > drinking

alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > >> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that> > I am> > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a> > "Dharmi> > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > >> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this> > as> > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about> > Movie> > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise.> > But> > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to> > pull> > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > >

> understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a> > while> > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are> > aggressive> > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > >> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about> > which> > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such> > nonsense> > > > talkings ?> > > >> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> > gentleman to> > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > > astrology

but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels> > as> > > > we are cultured people.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary> > combinations> > > > in my chart ?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for

discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> > you> > > > ...?//> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put> > forward> > > > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > >> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ My> > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > doing my> > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no> > bias> > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to>

> > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be> > spoken> > > > of as weak.> > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol> > and> > > > eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the> > 5H.. //> > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > > chart...> > > > > But

the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask> > you> > > > ...?> > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and> > eat> > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right> > and> > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always> > been> > > > transparent about it...> > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > > saint ?> > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary> > combinations> > > > in my chart

?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > >> > > > > > //> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > //> > > > > >>

> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter> > and> > > > Sun in> > > > > > the chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> > to> > > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society> > to> > > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//>

> > > > >> > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who> > has> > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to> > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > >> > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness> > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > >> > > > > >

Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki> > tabahi ka> > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > >> > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's> > enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >> > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > >> > > >

> > Thankyou,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able> > to> > > > cope> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > > family> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or

anyone from society> > to> > > > help> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit> > suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this.> > One> > > > must> > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in> > order> > > > to> > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe> > who> > > > was> > > > > > a> > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts

and masculinity in them> > to> > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > > checking> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them> > have> > > >

got> > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.> > One> > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in> > movies.> > > > He> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > chiranjiv> > > >

mehta> > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is> > the> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i> > am> > > > also> > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ is not> > expressingÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ VRY well.> > > > Its> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > are like seeing an action

movie with the main character is> > an> > > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > adverse> > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > > through> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup> > and> > > > Jup> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra

exchange too!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are> > fairly> > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling> > for>

> > > and> > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed> > down> > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > > secrets> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > > which> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > .co..> > > > in>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ....> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who> > will> > > > see> > > > > > > that.>

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to> > strong> > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ and> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> > frutification> > > > of> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!> > > > > > > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > as> > > > > > >

> a> > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > > > september> > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > > Lagna.> > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> > debilitated> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in> > kendras> > > > and> > >

> > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > > > ..and> > > > > > how> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell> > me> > > > what> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My health is

fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > > now...> > > > > > and> > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > > > interested..> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Basically Saturn is Karak for longevity, when ayu finishes, death takes place.

Vijay

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna,

>

> //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

>

> Partly correct...

>

> //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

>

> Suicide itself is purpose,

> We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel Ji,

> > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

> > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> > Â Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > ________________________________

> > vijay.goel <goyalvj@>

> >

> > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> > Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna,

> >

> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative

aspect of 8H and

> > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive

aspect of 8H.

> > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> >

> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally

dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and

status of moon sign]

> >

> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and

'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

> >

> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves',

big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> >

> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of

prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He

incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly

said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar

mein hi maar jao "

> >

> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in

scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too

worried of him.

> >

> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the

major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

> >

> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide,

" the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H

of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]

> > Â

> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical

mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

> >

> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go far enough to

japanese culture.

> > > I am making your job easier.

> > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ã‚Â

> > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > What do you have to say about

> > > Kamikaze

> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any preferential treatment.

> > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > lalkitab groups.

> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//

> > >

> > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected

Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see

previous post.

> > >

> > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of

bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of

self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > >

> > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and

Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.

> > >

> > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H

negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly

explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > >

> > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet

confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my

heart..

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in

> > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25

> > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > >

> > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol

> > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand

> > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context

> > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > >

> > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they

> > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and

> > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not

> > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > >

> > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for

> > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will

> > > > happen ... " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other such

> > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > >

> > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who

> > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me

> > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > >

> > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am

> > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a " Dharmi

> > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > >

> > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago

> > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take this as

> > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie

> > > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never realise. But

> > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull

> > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they

> > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while

> > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka

> > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive

> > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating

> > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > >

> > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which

> > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense

> > > > talkings ?

> > > >

> > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman

to

> > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of

> > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as

> > > > we are cultured people.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations

> > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you

> > > > ...?//

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward

> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š doing my

> > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias

> > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > inspire to

> > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,

> > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken

> > > > of as weak.

> > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and

> > > > eat

> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy

> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //

> > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my

> > > > chart...

> > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you

> > > > ...?

> > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat

> > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and

> > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been

> > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a

> > > > saint ?

> > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š

> > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations

> > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //

> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and

> > > > Sun in

> > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to

> > > > cope

> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family

> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to

> > > > help

> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.

> > > > One

> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has

> > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they

> > > > inspire to

> > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > consciousness

> > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka

> > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat

> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn

> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy

> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to

> > > > cope

> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close

> > > > family

> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to

> > > > help

> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.

> > > > One

> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One

> > > > must

> > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order

> > > > to

> > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who

> > > > was

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to

> > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start

> > > > checking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have

> > > > got

> > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One

> > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv

> > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.

> > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

VRY well.

> > > > Its

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an

> > > > > > > antihero..

> > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

adverse

> > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas

> > > > through

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly

> > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down

> > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of

> > > > secrets

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend

> > > > which

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..

> > > > in>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian

> > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will

> > > > see

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong

> > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification

> > > > of

> > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my

> > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since

> > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here

> > > > ..and

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me

> > > > what

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material

> > > > now...

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not

> > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Karaka for death changes with every Kundli.

The natural karaka for " longevity" is considered to be "Saturn". How can you call Saturn as a karaka for "Death" ?

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> > > Dear Kulbhir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//> > Partly correct...> > //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//> > Suicide itself is purpose, > We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > , Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel Ji,> > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.> > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?> > Â Regards> > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > vijay.goel goyalvj@> > > > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM> > Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE> > > > Â > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H. > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]> > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H] > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him. > > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]> > Â > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > > > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go far enough to japanese culture.> > > I am making your job easier.> > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > Ã‚Â Regards> > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > Ã‚Â > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > What do you have to say about > > > Kamikaze> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any preferential treatment.> > > Ã‚Â Regards> > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > Ã‚Â > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward> > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.//> > > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see previous post.> > > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly explain you logics behind it over phone. > > > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my heart.. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25> > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand> > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context> > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they> > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and> > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for> > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will> > > > happen ..." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me> > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am> > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a "Dharmi> > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this as> > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie> > > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never realise. But> > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull> > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while> > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive> > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which> > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense> > > > talkings ?> > > > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to> > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as> > > > we are cultured people.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations> > > > in my chart ?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > > ...?//> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments put forward> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my horoscope.> > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > >> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š My> > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒâ€š doing my> > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias> > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to> > > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken> > > > of as weak.> > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > > > eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //> > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > > chart...> > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > > ...?> > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat> > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and> > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been> > > > transparent about it...> > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > > saint ?> > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒâ€š > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the planetary combinations> > > > in my chart ?> > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > >> > > > > > //> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > //> > > > > >> > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and> > > > Sun in> > > > > > the chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > > >> > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > > inspire to> > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > >> > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > > consciousness> > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > >> > > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > >> > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >> > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > > > cope> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > > family> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > > help> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > > One> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One> > > > must> > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order> > > > to> > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who> > > > was> > > > > > a> > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > > checking> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have> > > > got> > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.> > > > He> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv> > > > mehta> > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am> > > > also> > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.> > > > Its> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > > > > > > antihero..> > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ adverse> > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > > through> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and> > > > Jup> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for> > > > and> > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > > secrets> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > > which> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..> > > > in>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will> > > > see> > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification> > > > of> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > > > september> > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > > Lagna.> > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras> > > > and> > > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. 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February 4, 2010

Bhai Vijay goel ji,

Before I continue....

You are like a small brother for me. I also like your chubby face. It

brings out the affections in me. Do not connect these arguments we are

doing astrologically otherwise..

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Karaka for death changes with every Kundli.

>

> The natural karaka for " longevity " is considered to be " Saturn " . How

> can you call Saturn as a karaka for " Death " ?

>

> , " vijay.goel "

> goyalvj@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna,

> >

> > //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

> >

> > Partly correct...

> >

> > //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

> >

> > Suicide itself is purpose,

> > We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > , Lalkitab Kb

> lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel Ji,

> > > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

> > > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> > > Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > vijay.goel goyalvj@

> > >

> > > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> > > Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > >

> > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is

the

> negative aspect of 8H and

> > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the

> positive aspect of 8H.

> > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > >

> > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is

totally

> dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of

lagna

> and status of moon sign]

> > >

> > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a

major

> sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> significance.

> > >

> > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs

strong

> nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > >

> > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the

> owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and

many

> offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his

> control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab

> hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > >

> > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon

> in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his

> wife too worried of him.

> > >

> > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching

of

> SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

> [suicide].

> > >

> > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not

perform

> suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is

> delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid

of

> Happiness]

> > > Â

> > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their

> physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat

> Jannini.

> > >

> > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go

far

> enough to japanese culture.

> > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > Kamikaze

> > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any

preferential

> treatment.

> > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >

> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> from

> > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments

> put forward

> > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

horoscope.//

> > > >

> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this

thread,

> please see previous post.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the

> act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of

> murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > >

> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by

> Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of

light.

> > > >

> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and

> turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > >

> > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have

sweet

> confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire

> through my heart..

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the

Sun

> in

> > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I

> learnt 25

> > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About

> alochol

> > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not

> understand

> > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was

no

> context

> > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why

> should they

> > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> himiliations and

> > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and

do

> not

> > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and

> not for

> > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........

> .this will

> > > > > happen ... " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other

> such

> > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of

them

> who

> > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever

> seen me

> > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute

> that I am

> > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a

> " Dharmi

> > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two

days

> ago

> > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take

> this as

> > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk

about

> Movie

> > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never

> realise. But

> > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing

strategies

> to pull

> > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language

> they

> > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in

a

> while

> > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf

Marwadi

> ka

> > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are

> aggressive

> > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> co-relating

> > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > >

> > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology

> about which

> > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such

> nonsense

> > > > > talkings ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> gentleman to

> > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge

> of

> > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those

> levels as

> > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

Kb

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> planetary combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may

I

> ask you

> > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> from

> > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and

> arguments put forward

> > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

horoscope.

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š

> Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God

> andÃƒâ€š doing my

> > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with

> no bias

> > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a

> suicide,

> > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they

be

> spoken

> > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> alcohol and

> > > > > eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

Sun's

> enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

the

> 5H.. //

> > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to

my

> > > > > chart...

> > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I

> ask you

> > > > > ...?

> > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol

> and eat

> > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not

> right and

> > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have

always

> been

> > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You

> are a

> > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> planetary combinations

> > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " vijay.goel "

> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

> Jupiter and

> > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

been

> able to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> close family

> > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> society to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- -

> > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo

Lagna,

> who has

> > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> they

> > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki

> tabahi ka

> > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

alcohol

> and eat

> > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> saturn

> > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

Sun's

> enemy

> > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

the

> 5H.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

been

> able to

> > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> close

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> society to

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

commit

> suicide.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do

> this. One

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in

Life

> in order

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn

> Monroe who

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity

in

> them to

> > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,

> start

> > > > > checking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of

> them have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY

> periods. One

> > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles

in

> movies.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his

soul.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> chiranjiv

> > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like

> that is the

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere

> that i am

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be

> something.

> > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not

> expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main

character

> is an

> > > > > > > > antihero..

> > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ adverse

> > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

No.

> 8!

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H

> dashas

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra

of

> Jup and

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@

> > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We

> are fairly

> > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was

> calling for

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results

> listed down

> > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a

life

> of

> > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the

> legend

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H

> again?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking

> about!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> .co..

> > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not

> astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Indian

> > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on

who

> will

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to

> strong

> > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> frutification

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.

> 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I

offer

> my

> > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently

> since

> > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord

for

> my

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> debilitated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in

> kendras

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev

keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY

work

> here

> > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but

> tell me

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about

> material

> > > > > now...

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am

> not

> > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Respected Bhaskerji,//Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house. If on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a coward, and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the person who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.What astrology is this ?//Look in both cases Death took place, so 8th house has come into force in both the chart in different manner.In 'suicide case', Lagna, moon and sun is weak and person's consciousness is over powered by debilitated mars and weak malefic saturn.In 'saving case', Lagna, moon and sun is strong and person's consciousness is over powered by exalted mars (look mars is exalted in saturn sign Makara) and exalted ketu.In simple astrology we don't need charts everytime.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > I will bring in a third person and write a story, which will make him a> greater brave man than these two. How does this help.> > Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house. If> on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a coward,> and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the person> who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.> > What astrology is this ?> > > > > , "vijay.goel"> goyalvj@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected all,> >> > Hare Rama Krsna,> >> > Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action> than karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.> >> > Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into> river to save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.> >> > Both person perform the act of 8H.> >> > Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?,> who is brave or cowardice ?> >> > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish> statements on> > > Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are very> > > smart and wise to call us fools.> > >> > > Good.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have any> > > > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to the> one> > > > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that> "Yes do> > > > it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one thinks> > > that> > > > Astrologers do not know their work.> > > >> > > > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not going> to> > > > calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have died> and we> > > > have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding their> state> > > > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the seashore> on> > > a> > > > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a person> who> > > is> > > > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning person> is a> > > > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that he> did> > > > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too hard> for> > > > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of the> > > waves.> > > >> > > > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.> > > >> > > > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g of> any> > > > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture> every> > > > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have that> part> > > in> > > > his body in next Birth.> > > >> > > > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that> Suicide> > > is> > > > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact), then> let> > > > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad> > > mindedness> > > > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is not a> > > part> > > > of Vedic teachings.> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > >> > > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is> the> > > > > negative aspect of 8H and> > > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is> the> > > > > positive aspect of 8H.> > > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > > > >> > > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is> totally> > > > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic> of> > > > lagna> > > > > and status of moon sign]> > > > >> > > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a> major> > > > sin> > > > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H> > > significance.> > > > >> > > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs> strong> > > > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> > > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > > > >> > > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the> > > owner> > > > of> > > > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many> > > > offices.> > > > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his> control,> > > he> > > > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se> > > > accaha> > > > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > > > >> > > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e.> moon> > > in> > > > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> > > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his> > > wife> > > > > too worried of him.> > > > >> > > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching> of> > > > SUN,> > > > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H> [suicide].> > > > >> > > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not> perform> > > > > suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see> mars> > > is> > > > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration,> > > devoid> > > > of> > > > > Happiness]> > > > >> > > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their> > > physical> > > > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat> Jannini.> > > > >> > > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Lalkitab Kb> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go far> > > > enough> > > > > to japanese culture.> > > > > > I am making your job easier.> > > > > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > > > > Â Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > What do you have to say about> > > > > > Kamikaze> > > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any preferential> > > > > treatment.> > > > > > Â Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > >> > > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic> trend> > > from> > > > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments put> > > > forward> > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//> > > > > >> > > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is> > > respected> > > > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread,> please> > > > see> > > > > previous post.> > > > > >> > > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is> the> > > act> > > > of> > > > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of> > > murder> > > > of> > > > > self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > > > >> > > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given> by> > > Sun> > > > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of> light.> > > > > >> > > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and> > > > turning> > > > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > >> > > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will> > > > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have> sweet> > > > > confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire> > > > through> > > > > my heart.. > > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the> Sun> > > > in> > > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I> > > > learnt> > > > > 25> > > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About> > > > alochol> > > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could> not> > > > > understand> > > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was> no> > > > > context> > > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why> > > should> > > > > they> > > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their> > > himiliations> > > > > and> > > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent> and do> > > > not> > > > > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters,> and> > > not> > > > > for> > > > > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........> > > .this> > > > > will> > > > > > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other> > > such> > > > > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of> them> > > > who> > > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have> ever> > > seen> > > > > me> > > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they> attrivbute> > > > that> > > > > I am> > > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is> a> > > > > "Dharmi> > > > > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two> days> > > > ago> > > > > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must> take> > > this> > > > > as> > > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk> about> > > > > Movie> > > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never> > > realise.> > > > > But> > > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing> strategies> > > to> > > > > pull> > > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the> language> > > they> > > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once> in a> > > > > while> > > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf> Marwadi> > > ka> > > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these> are> > > > > aggressive> > > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by> > > > co-relating> > > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology> > > about> > > > > which> > > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with> such> > > > > nonsense> > > > > > > talkings ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the> > > > > gentleman to> > > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and> knowledge> > > of> > > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those> > > > levels> > > > > as> > > > > > > we are cultured people.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab> Kb> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > > > > willÃ‚> > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> > > > > combinations> > > > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,> may I> > > > ask> > > > > you> > > > > > > ...?//> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic> trend> > > from> > > > > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments> put> > > > > forward> > > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.> > > > > > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping> your> > > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚ Ã‚> My> > > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God> andÃ‚> > > > > doing my> > > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets> ...with> > > no> > > > > bias> > > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal> personalities,> > > they> > > > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a> > > suicide,> > > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they> be> > > > > spoken> > > > > > > of as weak.> > > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink> > > alcohol> > > > > and> > > > > > > eat> > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> > > > saturn> > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,> Sun's> > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying> the> > > > > 5H.. //> > > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring> to my> > > > > > > chart...> > > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may> I> > > ask> > > > > you> > > > > > > ...?> > > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink> alcohol> > > and> > > > > eat> > > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is> not> > > > right> > > > > and> > > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have> always> > > > > been> > > > > > > transparent about it...> > > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and> You> > > are> > > > a> > > > > > > saint ?> > > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > > > willÃ‚> > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the planetary> > > > > combinations> > > > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //> > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > > > //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of> > > Jupiter> > > > > and> > > > > > > Sun in> > > > > > > > > the chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not> been> > > > able> > > > > to> > > > > > > cope> > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,> > > close> > > > > family> > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from> > > society> > > > > to> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to> commit> > > > > suicide.> > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > ---------> > > > -> > > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo> Lagna,> > > > who> > > > > has> > > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,> > > they> > > > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping> your> > > > > > > consciousness> > > > > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad> ki> > > > > tabahi ka> > > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink> alcohol> > > > and> > > > > eat> > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of> > > > saturn> > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,> Sun's> > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying> the> > > > 5H.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not> been> > > > able> > > > > to> > > > > > > cope> > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support> from,> > > > close> > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from> > > > society> > > > > to> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to> commit> > > > > suicide.> > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do> > > this.> > > > > One> > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in> Life> > > in> > > > > order> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to> Marilyn> > > > Monroe> > > > > who> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity> in> > > > them> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,> > > start> > > > > > > checking> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most> of> > > them> > > > > have> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY> > > > periods.> > > > > One> > > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad> roles in> > > > > movies.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his> soul.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > chiranjiv> > > > > > > mehta> > > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like> > > that> > > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere> > > that> > > > i> > > > > am> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be> > > > something.> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not> > > > > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.> > > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main> character> > > is> > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong> > > > inÃƒâ€š> > > > > adverse> > > > > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House> No.> > > > 8!> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with> 8H> > > > dashas> > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in> nakshatra of> > > > Jup> > > > > and> > > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta> <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion.> We> > > are> > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was> > > > calling> > > > > for> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data> is> > > > > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results> > > listed> > > > > down> > > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a> life> > > > of> > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the> > > > legend> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be> 8H> > > > again?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in> 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking> > > > about!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > .co..> > > > > > > in>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not> astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > Indian> > > > > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on> who> > > > > will> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead> to> > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of> > > > > frutification> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House> No.> > > 8!> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I> offer> > > my> > > > > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt..> Presently> > > > since> > > > > > > > > september> > > > > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord> for> > > > my> > > > > > > Lagna.> > > > > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is> > > > > debilitated> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc....> in> > > > > kendras> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev> keralam..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. 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February 4, 2010

Respected Bhaskerji,

You are elder to me, i have great respect for you. I never said anything against

you, i swear by heart, nor have any negative intention for anyone here in the

forum. I know by heart you are a clean person, i will always learn from you.

We are just discussion the positive and negative aspect of 8H.

We may differ in views.

Thankyou,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Bhai Vijay goel ji,

>

> Before I continue....

>

> You are like a small brother for me. I also like your chubby face. It

> brings out the affections in me. Do not connect these arguments we are

> doing astrologically otherwise..

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Karaka for death changes with every Kundli.

> >

> > The natural karaka for " longevity " is considered to be " Saturn " . How

> > can you call Saturn as a karaka for " Death " ?

> >

> > , " vijay.goel "

> > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > >

> > > //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

> > >

> > > Partly correct...

> > >

> > > //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

> > >

> > > Suicide itself is purpose,

> > > We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > , Lalkitab Kb

> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Goel Ji,

> > > > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

> > > > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > vijay.goel goyalvj@

> > > >

> > > > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> > > > Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > >

> > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is

> the

> > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the

> > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > > >

> > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is

> totally

> > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of

> lagna

> > and status of moon sign]

> > > >

> > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a

> major

> > sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> > significance.

> > > >

> > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs

> strong

> > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > > >

> > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the

> > owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and

> many

> > offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his

> > control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab

> > hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > > >

> > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon

> > in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his

> > wife too worried of him.

> > > >

> > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching

> of

> > SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

> > [suicide].

> > > >

> > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not

> perform

> > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is

> > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid

> of

> > Happiness]

> > > > Â

> > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their

> > physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat

> > Jannini.

> > > >

> > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go

> far

> > enough to japanese culture.

> > > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > > Kamikaze

> > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any

> preferential

> > treatment.

> > > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> > from

> > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and arguments

> > put forward

> > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

> horoscope.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> > respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this

> thread,

> > please see previous post.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the

> > act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of

> > murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by

> > Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of

> light.

> > > > >

> > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and

> > turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will

> > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have

> sweet

> > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire

> > through my heart..

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the

> Sun

> > in

> > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I

> > learnt 25

> > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About

> > alochol

> > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not

> > understand

> > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was

> no

> > context

> > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why

> > should they

> > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> > himiliations and

> > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and

> do

> > not

> > > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and

> > not for

> > > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat........

> > .this will

> > > > > > happen ... " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other

> > such

> > > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of

> them

> > who

> > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever

> > seen me

> > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute

> > that I am

> > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a

> > " Dharmi

> > > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two

> days

> > ago

> > > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take

> > this as

> > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk

> about

> > Movie

> > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never

> > realise. But

> > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing

> strategies

> > to pull

> > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language

> > they

> > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in

> a

> > while

> > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf

> Marwadi

> > ka

> > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are

> > aggressive

> > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> > co-relating

> > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology

> > about which

> > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such

> > nonsense

> > > > > > talkings ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the

> > gentleman to

> > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge

> > of

> > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those

> > levels as

> > > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

> Kb

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> > planetary combinations

> > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may

> I

> > ask you

> > > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend

> > from

> > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and

> > arguments put forward

> > > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

> horoscope.

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š

> > Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God

> > andÃƒâ€š doing my

> > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with

> > no bias

> > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> > they

> > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a

> > suicide,

> > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they

> be

> > spoken

> > > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> > alcohol and

> > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > saturn

> > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

> Sun's

> > enemy

> > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

> the

> > 5H.. //

> > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to

> my

> > > > > > chart...

> > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I

> > ask you

> > > > > > ...?

> > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol

> > and eat

> > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not

> > right and

> > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have

> always

> > been

> > > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You

> > are a

> > > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> > planetary combinations

> > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " vijay.goel "

> > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

> > Jupiter and

> > > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

> been

> > able to

> > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> > close family

> > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > society to

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit

> > suicide.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > --------- -

> > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo

> Lagna,

> > who has

> > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities,

> > they

> > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your

> > > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki

> > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> alcohol

> > and eat

> > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

> > saturn

> > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

> Sun's

> > enemy

> > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying

> the

> > 5H.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

> been

> > able to

> > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from,

> > close

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > society to

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

> commit

> > suicide.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do

> > this. One

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in

> Life

> > in order

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn

> > Monroe who

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity

> in

> > them to

> > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here,

> > start

> > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of

> > them have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY

> > periods. One

> > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles

> in

> > movies.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his

> soul.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > chiranjiv

> > > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like

> > that is the

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere

> > that i am

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be

> > something.

> > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not

> > expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.

> > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main

> character

> > is an

> > > > > > > > > antihero..

> > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> > inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ adverse

> > > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

> No.

> > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H

> > dashas

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra

> of

> > Jup and

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We

> > are fairly

> > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was

> > calling for

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is

> > > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results

> > listed down

> > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a

> life

> > of

> > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the

> > legend

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H

> > again?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking

> > about!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > .co..

> > > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ not

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Indian

> > > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on

> who

> > will

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to

> > strong

> > > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ and

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > frutification

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.

> > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I

> offer

> > my

> > > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently

> > since

> > > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord

> for

> > my

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is

> > debilitated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in

> > kendras

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev

> keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY

> work

> > here

> > > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but

> > tell me

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about

> > material

> > > > > > now...

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am

> > not

> > > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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February 4, 2010

Dear Vijay Goel ji,

Now you are talking of the resultant effects of the 8th house. Before

this you were talking of the ACT itself.

I will give you another example similiar to the one you gave.

A man is drinking liquor in a bar. Another man drinking sharbat in a

wedding reception. Now the 2nd house is active in both cases. Or a

husband and wife having sex, and two lovers having sex. The 8th house is

activated in both cases. We cannot say that the 2nd house significations

are the same with both parties, or the same with both parties related to

the 8th.

Bhaskar

, " vijay.goel "

<goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected Bhaskerji,

>

> //Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house.

> If on one side you say that the person who committed " Suicide " is a

> coward, and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out

the

> person who is " Brave " enough to save him, also to the 8th house.

>

> What astrology is this ?//

>

> Look in both cases Death took place, so 8th house has come into force

in

> both the chart in different manner.

>

> In 'suicide case', Lagna, moon and sun is weak and person's

> consciousness is over powered by debilitated mars and weak malefic

> saturn.

>

> In 'saving case', Lagna, moon and sun is strong and person's

> consciousness is over powered by exalted mars (look mars is exalted in

> saturn sign Makara) and exalted ketu.

>

> In simple astrology we don't need charts everytime.

>

> Thankyou,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > I will bring in a third person and write a story, which will make

him

> a

> > greater brave man than these two. How does this help.

> >

> > Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house.

> If

> > on one side you say that the person who committed " Suicide " is a

> coward,

> > and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the

person

> > who is " Brave " enough to save him, also to the 8th house.

> >

> > What astrology is this ?

> >

> > , " vijay.goel "

> > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected all,

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > >

> > > Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\

> action

> > than karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its

destination.

> > >

> > > Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps

> into

> > river to save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.

> > >

> > > Both person perform the act of 8H.

> > >

> > > Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong

?,

> > who is brave or cowardice ?

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish

> > statements on

> > > > Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are

> very

> > > > smart and wise to call us fools.

> > > >

> > > > Good.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have

> any

> > > > > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to

> the

> > one

> > > > > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide " . that

> > " Yes do

> > > > > it. Its an act of bravery " . This is foolish thinking if one

> thinks

> > > > that

> > > > > Astrologers do not know their work.

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not

> going

> > to

> > > > > calll them " Cowards " . No Sir. This is not to be. They have

died

> > and we

> > > > > have no right to call them " Cowards " without understanding

their

> > state

> > > > > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the

> seashore

> > on

> > > > a

> > > > > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a

> person

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning

> person

> > is a

> > > > > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that

> he

> > did

> > > > > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too

> hard

> > for

> > > > > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of

> the

> > > > waves.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g

of

> > any

> > > > > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture

> > every

> > > > > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have

that

> > part

> > > > in

> > > > > his body in next Birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that

> > Suicide

> > > > is

> > > > > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact),

> then

> > let

> > > > > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad

> > > > mindedness

> > > > > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is

not

> a

> > > > part

> > > > > of Vedic teachings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc

> is

> > the

> > > > > > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney)

is

> > the

> > > > > > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is

> > totally

> > > > > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding.

[Characteristic

> > of

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > and status of moon sign]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as

a

> > major

> > > > > sin

> > > > > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> > > > significance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs

> > strong

> > > > > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was

> the

> > > > owner

> > > > > of

> > > > > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and

many

> > > > > offices.

> > > > > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his

> > control,

> > > > he

> > > > > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab

hone

> se

> > > > > accaha

> > > > > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon,

i.e.

> > moon

> > > > in

> > > > > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that

> his

> > > > wife

> > > > > > too worried of him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the

> path\teaching

> > of

> > > > > SUN,

> > > > > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

> > [suicide].

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not

> > perform

> > > > > > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars,

see

> > mars

> > > > is

> > > > > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of

frustration,

> > > > devoid

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Happiness]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace

their

> > > > physical

> > > > > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat

> > Jannini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go

> far

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > to japanese culture.

> > > > > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > > > > Kamikaze

> > > > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any

> preferential

> > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

> > trend

> > > > from

> > > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments

> put

> > > > > forward

> > > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> > > > respected

> > > > > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this

thread,

> > please

> > > > > see

> > > > > > previous post.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide

is

> > the

> > > > act

> > > > > of

> > > > > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act

of

> > > > murder

> > > > > of

> > > > > > self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge

given

> > by

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of

> > light.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn

> and

> > > > > turning

> > > > > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i

> will

> > > > > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can

have

> > sweet

> > > > > > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always

> admire

> > > > > through

> > > > > > my heart..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of

> the

> > Sun

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab,

which

> I

> > > > > learnt

> > > > > > 25

> > > > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago

> (About

> > > > > alochol

> > > > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and

could

> > not

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there

> was

> > no

> > > > > > context

> > > > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs,

> why

> > > > should

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> > > > himiliations

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward,

transparent

> > and do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological

matters,

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and

> meat........

> > > > .this

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR

> other

> > > > such

> > > > > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000

> of

> > them

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have

> > ever

> > > > seen

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they

> > attrivbute

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because

yours

> is

> > a

> > > > > > " Dharmi

> > > > > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned

> two

> > days

> > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must

> > take

> > > > this

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I

talk

> > about

> > > > > > Movie

> > > > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will

never

> > > > realise.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing

> > strategies

> > > > to

> > > > > > pull

> > > > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the

> > language

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to,

once

> > in a

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf

> > Marwadi

> > > > ka

> > > > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. (

these

> > are

> > > > > > aggressive

> > > > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> > > > > co-relating

> > > > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about

> astrology

> > > > about

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with

> > such

> > > > > > nonsense

> > > > > > > > talkings ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about

> the

> > > > > > gentleman to

> > > > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and

> > knowledge

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to

> those

> > > > > levels

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Lalkitab

> > Kb

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts ,

you

> > > > > > willÃ‚

> > > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the

> planetary

> > > > > > combinations

> > > > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to

you,

> > may I

> > > > > ask

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

> > trend

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and

> arguments

> > put

> > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚ Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is

overlapping

> > your

> > > > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚

> Ã‚

> > My

> > > > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God

> > andÃ‚

> > > > > > doing my

> > > > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets

> > ...with

> > > > no

> > > > > > bias

> > > > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal

> > personalities,

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for

a

> > > > suicide,

> > > > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest

> they

> > be

> > > > > > spoken

> > > > > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not

drink

> > > > alcohol

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the

11H

> of

> > > > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes

alcohol,

> > Sun's

> > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic

> destroying

> > the

> > > > > > 5H.. //

> > > > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently

referring

> > to my

> > > > > > > > chart...

> > > > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,

> may

> > I

> > > > ask

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > ...?

> > > > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink

> > alcohol

> > > > and

> > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This

is

> > not

> > > > > right

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and

have

> > always

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner

and

> > You

> > > > are

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > > > willÃ‚

> > > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the

> planetary

> > > > > > combinations

> > > > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " vijay.goel "

> > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall

of

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense,

not

> > been

> > > > > able

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

> from,

> > > > close

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone

from

> > > > society

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

> > commit

> > > > > > suicide.

> > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > > ---------

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is

Leo

> > Lagna,

> > > > > who

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal

> personalities,

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping

> > your

> > > > > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se

> aulad

> > ki

> > > > > > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> > alcohol

> > > > > and

> > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the

11H

> of

> > > > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes

alcohol,

> > Sun's

> > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic

> destroying

> > the

> > > > > 5H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense,

not

> > been

> > > > > able

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

> > from,

> > > > > close

> > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone

> from

> > > > > society

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

> > commit

> > > > > > suicide.

> > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy

to

> do

> > > > this.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation

in

> > Life

> > > > in

> > > > > > order

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to

> > Marilyn

> > > > > Monroe

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and

> masculinity

> > in

> > > > > them

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over

> here,

> > > > start

> > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that

most

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the

VRY

> > > > > periods.

> > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad

> > roles in

> > > > > > movies.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless

his

> > soul.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > > chiranjiv

> > > > > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks

> like

> > > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read

> somewhere

> > > > that

> > > > > i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must

be

> > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not

> > > > > > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.

> > > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main

> > character

> > > > is

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > antihero.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> > > > > inÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > adverse

> > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta

neelamgupta07@

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> House

> > No.

> > > > > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained

with

> > 8H

> > > > > dashas

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in

> > nakshatra of

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this

discussion.

> > We

> > > > are

> > > > > > fairly

> > > > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I

> was

> > > > > calling

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the

> data

> > is

> > > > > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H

results

> > > > listed

> > > > > > down

> > > > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She

led

> a

> > life

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became

> the

> > > > > legend

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May

be

> > 8H

> > > > > again?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar

in

> > 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life,

why?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm

> talking

> > > > > about!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > .co..

> > > > > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com,

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives,

depends

> on

> > who

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those

> lead

> > to

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time

of

> > > > > > frutification

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> ...

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

House

> > No.

> > > > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example.

I

> > offer

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt..

> > Presently

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th

> Lord

> > for

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter

> is

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga

> etc....

> > in

> > > > > > kendras

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev

> > keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the

VRY

> > work

> > > > > here

> > > > > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or

philosphy

> > but

> > > > tell

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk

about

> > > > material

> > > > > > > > now...

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such

...I

> > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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>

February 4, 2010

Dear Goelji,

I know this, that is why kabhi kabhi aapke upar mujhe gussa aata hai,

par phir pyaar bhi umad padta hai.

I have already stated that I consider " Suicide " as a sin and an act of

cowardice, but would not call the person a coward simple for the reason

that, he must have suffered a momentary lapse of weakness and cowardice

which led him to a Fatal error.

ab main aapse aur discuss nahin karoonga, because I know i will end in

hurting you, which is not my intentions at all.

Amen.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijay.goel "

<goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected Bhaskerji,

>

> You are elder to me, i have great respect for you. I never said

anything against you, i swear by heart, nor have any negative intention

for anyone here in the forum. I know by heart you are a clean person, i

will always learn from you.

>

> We are just discussion the positive and negative aspect of 8H.

>

> We may differ in views.

>

> Thankyou,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Bhai Vijay goel ji,

> >

> > Before I continue....

> >

> > You are like a small brother for me. I also like your chubby face.

It

> > brings out the affections in me. Do not connect these arguments we

are

> > doing astrologically otherwise..

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Karaka for death changes with every Kundli.

> > >

> > > The natural karaka for " longevity " is considered to be " Saturn " .

How

> > > can you call Saturn as a karaka for " Death " ?

> > >

> > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > >

> > > > //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

> > > >

> > > > Partly correct...

> > > >

> > > > //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

> > > >

> > > > Suicide itself is purpose,

> > > > We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > , Lalkitab Kb

> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Goel Ji,

> > > > > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

> > > > > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj@

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> > > > > Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > >

> > > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc

is

> > the

> > > negative aspect of 8H and

> > > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is

the

> > > positive aspect of 8H.

> > > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> > > > >

> > > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is

> > totally

> > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of

> > lagna

> > > and status of moon sign]

> > > > >

> > > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a

> > major

> > > sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H

> > > significance.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs

> > strong

> > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was

the

> > > owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and

> > many

> > > offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of

his

> > > control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein

karab

> > > hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao "

> > > > >

> > > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e.

moon

> > > in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that

his

> > > wife too worried of him.

> > > > >

> > > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the

path\teaching

> > of

> > > SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

> > > [suicide].

> > > > >

> > > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not

> > perform

> > > suicide, " the act of cowardice " ,[Karak : debilitated Mars, see

mars is

> > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration,

devoid

> > of

> > > Happiness]

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their

> > > physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat

> > > Jannini.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

Kb

> > > <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to

go

> > far

> > > enough to japanese culture.

> > > > > > I am making your job easier.

> > > > > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > What do you have to say about

> > > > > > Kamikaze

> > > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ã‚Â I don't require any

> > preferential

> > > treatment.

> > > > > > Ã‚Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

trend

> > > from

> > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and

arguments

> > > put forward

> > > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

> > horoscope.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is

> > > respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this

> > thread,

> > > please see previous post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is

the

> > > act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.

> > > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of

> > > murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given

by

> > > Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of

> > light.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn

and

> > > turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i

will

> > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have

> > sweet

> > > confrontation over thought, don't worry

> > > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always

admire

> > > through my heart..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of

the

> > Sun

> > > in

> > > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which

I

> > > learnt 25

> > > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago

(About

> > > alochol

> > > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could

not

> > > understand

> > > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there

was

> > no

> > > context

> > > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs,

why

> > > should they

> > > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their

> > > himiliations and

> > > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent

and

> > do

> > > not

> > > > > > > fear anybody other than God.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters,

and

> > > not for

> > > > > > > telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and

meat........

> > > .this will

> > > > > > > happen ... " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR

other

> > > such

> > > > > > > unnecessary remarks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000

of

> > them

> > > who

> > > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have

ever

> > > seen me

> > > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they

attrivbute

> > > that I am

> > > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours

is a

> > > " Dharmi

> > > > > > > tewa " ? What nonsense is this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned

two

> > days

> > > ago

> > > > > > > that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must

take

> > > this as

> > > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk

> > about

> > > Movie

> > > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never

> > > realise. But

> > > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing

> > strategies

> > > to pull

> > > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the

language

> > > they

> > > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once

in

> > a

> > > while

> > > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf

> > Marwadi

> > > ka

> > > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these

are

> > > aggressive

> > > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by

> > > co-relating

> > > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about

astrology

> > > about which

> > > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with

such

> > > nonsense

> > > > > > > talkings ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about

the

> > > gentleman to

> > > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and

knowledge

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to

those

> > > levels as

> > > > > > > we are cultured people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

Lalkitab

> > Kb

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> > > planetary combinations

> > > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > > Please explain this part.//

> > > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,

may

> > I

> > > ask you

> > > > > > > ...?//

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic

trend

> > > from

> > > > > > > lalkitab groups.

> > > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒâ€š the logics and

> > > arguments put forward

> > > > > > > by me, their lastÃƒâ€š resortÃƒâ€š is my

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping

your

> > > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //

> > > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ãƒâ€š

> > > Ãƒâ€š My

> > > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God

> > > andÃƒâ€š doing my

> > > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets

....with

> > > no bias

> > > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..

> > > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal

personalities,

> > > they

> > > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//

> > > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a

> > > suicide,

> > > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest

they

> > be

> > > spoken

> > > > > > > of as weak.

> > > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> > > alcohol and

> > > > > > > eat

> > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H

of

> > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

> > Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic

destroying

> > the

> > > 5H.. //

> > > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring

to

> > my

> > > > > > > chart...

> > > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,

may I

> > > ask you

> > > > > > > ...?

> > > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink

alcohol

> > > and eat

> > > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is

not

> > > right and

> > > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .

> > > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have

> > always

> > > been

> > > > > > > transparent about it...

> > > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and

You

> > > are a

> > > > > > > saint ?

> > > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?

> > > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you

> > > willÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒâ€š to the

> > > planetary combinations

> > > > > > > in my chart ?

> > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?

> > > > > > > > Please explain this part.

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " vijay.goel "

> > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.

> > > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.

> > > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of

> > > Jupiter and

> > > > > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > > > the chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

> > been

> > > able to

> > > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

from,

> > > close family

> > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from

> > > society to

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > --------- -

> > > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo

> > Lagna,

> > > who has

> > > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.

> > > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal

personalities,

> > > they

> > > > > > > inspire to

> > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping

your

> > > > > > > consciousness

> > > > > > > > > my dear !.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says

> > > > > > > > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se

aulad ki

> > > tabahi ka

> > > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink

> > alcohol

> > > and eat

> > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.

> > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H

of

> > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol,

> > Sun's

> > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic

destroying

> > the

> > > 5H.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have just put my thought

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not

> > been

> > > able to

> > > > > > > cope

> > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support

from,

> > > close

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone

from

> > > society to

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to

> > commit

> > > suicide.

> > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to

do

> > > this. One

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in

> > Life

> > > in order

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to

Marilyn

> > > Monroe who

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and

masculinity

> > in

> > > them to

> > > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over

here,

> > > start

> > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most

of

> > > them have

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY

> > > periods. One

> > > > > > > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad

roles

> > in

> > > movies.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his

> > soul.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > chiranjiv

> > > > > > > mehta

> > > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks

like

> > > that is the

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read

somewhere

> > > that i am

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be

> > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is not

> > > expressingÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ VRY well.

> > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main

> > character

> > > is an

> > > > > > > > > > antihero..

> > > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

> > > inÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ adverse

> > > > > > > > > > > circumstances.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

House

> > No.

> > > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with

8H

> > > dashas

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > her life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in

nakshatra

> > of

> > > Jup and

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 8H!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@

> > > > > > > gmail.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion.

We

> > > are fairly

> > > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I

was

> > > calling for

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the

data is

> > > > > > > authentic.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results

> > > listed down

> > > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led

a

> > life

> > > of

> > > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > scandals!

> > > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became

the

> > > legend

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be

8H

> > > again?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in

8H.

> > > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm

talking

> > > about!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar

<bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > .co..

> > > > > > > in>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

not

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > Indian

> > > > > > > Kachuaa

> > > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends

on

> > who

> > > will

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those

lead to

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > destruction.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or

> > > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

and

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of

> > > frutification

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

....

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

No.

> > > 8!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I

> > offer

> > > my

> > > > > > > Horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt..

Presently

> > > since

> > > > > > > > > september

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th

Lord

> > for

> > > my

> > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter

is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga

etc.... in

> > > kendras

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > trikonas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev

> > keralam..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY

> > work

> > > here

> > > > > > > ..and

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy

but

> > > tell me

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about

> > > material

> > > > > > > now...

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I

am

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > interested..

> > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

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February 4, 2010

Respected Bhaskerji,//A man is drinking liquor in a bar. Another man drinking sharbat in awedding reception. Now the 2nd house is active in both cases. //Man who is drinking liquor has involved saturn and moon combination related to second house, whereas man drinking sharbat, Venus for juices , moon for water, jupiter + moon for sweet-water ... is more related to 2H.//Or a husband and wife having sex, and two lovers having sex. The 8th house is activated in both cases. //In formar case of husband and wife , venus is exalted in pisces, (sex within dharma, absorbing the positive energy of jupiter).lover having sex means that Venus is more destined towards scorpion energy, working at tamasic level.Thankyou,Its already too late, i have to go now ...Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > Now you are talking of the resultant effects of the 8th house. Before> this you were talking of the ACT itself.> > I will give you another example similiar to the one you gave.> > A man is drinking liquor in a bar. Another man drinking sharbat in a> wedding reception. Now the 2nd house is active in both cases. Or a> husband and wife having sex, and two lovers having sex. The 8th house is> activated in both cases. We cannot say that the 2nd house significations> are the same with both parties, or the same with both parties related to> the 8th.> > Bhaskar> > > , "vijay.goel"> goyalvj@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Bhaskerji,> >> > //Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house.> > If on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a> > coward, and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out> the> > person who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.> >> > What astrology is this ?//> >> > Look in both cases Death took place, so 8th house has come into force> in> > both the chart in different manner.> >> > In 'suicide case', Lagna, moon and sun is weak and person's> > consciousness is over powered by debilitated mars and weak malefic> > saturn.> >> > In 'saving case', Lagna, moon and sun is strong and person's> > consciousness is over powered by exalted mars (look mars is exalted in> > saturn sign Makara) and exalted ketu.> >> > In simple astrology we don't need charts everytime.> >> > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I will bring in a third person and write a story, which will make> him> > a> > > greater brave man than these two. How does this help.> > >> > > Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house.> > If> > > on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a> > coward,> > > and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the> person> > > who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.> > >> > > What astrology is this ?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected all,> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > >> > > > Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\> > action> > > than karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its> destination.> > > >> > > > Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps> > into> > > river to save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.> > > >> > > > Both person perform the act of 8H.> > > >> > > > Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong> ?,> > > who is brave or cowardice ?> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar is a fool, and MC Jain is a fool, who pass foolish> > > statements on> > > > > Suicide, and these people who have been born today morning, are> > very> > > > > smart and wise to call us fools.> > > > >> > > > > Good.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > As Astrologers all are doing their work properly. Do not have> > any> > > > > > misgivings please. None of us are sinners. We will not say to> > the> > > one> > > > > > who comes to us and say that " I want to commit suicide". that> > > "Yes do> > > > > > it. Its an act of bravery". This is foolish thinking if one> > thinks> > > > > that> > > > > > Astrologers do not know their work.> > > > > >> > > > > > BUT to those who have already commited suicides, we are not> > going> > > to> > > > > > calll them "Cowards". No Sir. This is not to be. They have> died> > > and we> > > > > > have no right to call them "Cowards" without understanding> their> > > state> > > > > > of helplessness. . Its very easy to advice sitting on the> > seashore> > > on> > > > > a> > > > > > arm chair with a Coffee in ones hand on how to swim , to a> > person> > > who> > > > > is> > > > > > drowning, but to go inside the waves and help the drowning> > person> > > is a> > > > > > seperate matter. And because he was drowned we cannot say that> > he> > > did> > > > > > not know how to swim. Maybe the force of the current was too> > hard> > > for> > > > > > his fragile body already tired in struggling with the rush of> > the> > > > > waves.> > > > > >> > > > > > The 8th house has many other positive aspects.> > > > > >> > > > > > Donating kidney is not a Vedic injunction. In fact donatin g> of> > > any> > > > > > organ is against the Vedic injunctions. In Hindu vedic culture> > > every> > > > > > part of the body must be burnt, otherwise one does not have> that> > > part> > > > > in> > > > > > his body in next Birth.> > > > > >> > > > > > So if you say that you believe that vedic teachings say that> > > Suicide> > > > > is> > > > > > a sin ( Which even I believe in and do not negate this fact),> > then> > > let> > > > > > us not be hypocrite by trying to show wiseness and very broad> > > > > mindedness> > > > > > ins aying that donating kidney is a positive aspect which is> not> > a> > > > > part> > > > > > of Vedic teachings.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc> > is> > > the> > > > > > > negative aspect of 8H and> > > > > > > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney)> is> > > the> > > > > > > positive aspect of 8H.> > > > > > > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is> > > totally> > > > > > > dependent upon one's thinking & understanding.> [Characteristic> > > of> > > > > > lagna> > > > > > > and status of moon sign]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as> a> > > major> > > > > > sin> > > > > > > and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H> > > > > significance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs> > > strong> > > > > > > nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> > > > > > > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was> > the> > > > > owner> > > > > > of> > > > > > > prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and> many> > > > > > offices.> > > > > > > He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his> > > control,> > > > > he> > > > > > > worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab> hone> > se> > > > > > accaha> > > > > > > hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon,> i.e.> > > moon> > > > > in> > > > > > > scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]> > > > > > > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that> > his> > > > > wife> > > > > > > too worried of him.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the> > path\teaching> > > of> > > > > > SUN,> > > > > > > the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H> > > [suicide].> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not> > > perform> > > > > > > suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars,> see> > > mars> > > > > is> > > > > > > delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of> frustration,> > > > > devoid> > > > > > of> > > > > > > Happiness]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace> their> > > > > physical> > > > > > > mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat> > > Jannini.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÂ kamikaze you will have to go> > far> > > > > > enough> > > > > > > to japanese culture.> > > > > > > > I am making your job easier.> > > > > > > > you reside at Jaipur.> > > > > > > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > > > > > > > Â Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > What do you have to say about> > > > > > > > Kamikaze> > > > > > > > Lets discuss it on forum,Â I don't require any> > preferential> > > > > > > treatment.> > > > > > > > Â Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic> > > trend> > > > > from> > > > > > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and arguments> > put> > > > > > forward> > > > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is> > > > > respected> > > > > > > Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this> thread,> > > please> > > > > > see> > > > > > > previous post.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide> is> > > the> > > > > act> > > > > > of> > > > > > > bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > > > > > > > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act> of> > > > > murder> > > > > > of> > > > > > > self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge> given> > > by> > > > > Sun> > > > > > > and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of> > > light.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn> > and> > > > > > turning> > > > > > > 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i> > will> > > > > > > certainly explain you logics behind it over phone.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can> have> > > sweet> > > > > > > confrontation over thought, don't worry > > > > > > > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always> > admire> > > > > > through> > > > > > > my heart.. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of> > the> > > Sun> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab,> which> > I> > > > > > learnt> > > > > > > 25> > > > > > > > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago> > (About> > > > > > alochol> > > > > > > > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and> could> > > not> > > > > > > understand> > > > > > > > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there> > was> > > no> > > > > > > context> > > > > > > > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs,> > why> > > > > should> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their> > > > > himiliations> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > not mines, because I am very straightforward,> transparent> > > and do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > fear anybody other than God.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological> matters,> > > and> > > > > not> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and> > meat........> > > > > .this> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > happen .." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR> > other> > > > > such> > > > > > > > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000> > of> > > them> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have> > > ever> > > > > seen> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they> > > attrivbute> > > > > > that> > > > > > > I am> > > > > > > > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because> yours> > is> > > a> > > > > > > "Dharmi> > > > > > > > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned> > two> > > days> > > > > > ago> > > > > > > > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must> > > take> > > > > this> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I> talk> > > about> > > > > > > Movie> > > > > > > > > Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will> never> > > > > realise.> > > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing> > > strategies> > > > > to> > > > > > > pull> > > > > > > > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the> > > language> > > > > they> > > > > > > > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to,> once> > > in a> > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf> > > Marwadi> > > > > ka> > > > > > > > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. (> these> > > are> > > > > > > aggressive> > > > > > > > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by> > > > > > co-relating> > > > > > > > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about> > astrology> > > > > about> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with> > > such> > > > > > > nonsense> > > > > > > > > talkings ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about> > the> > > > > > > gentleman to> > > > > > > > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and> > > knowledge> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to> > those> > > > > > levels> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > we are cultured people.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Lalkitab> > > Kb> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts ,> you> > > > > > > willÃ‚> > > > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the> > planetary> > > > > > > combinations> > > > > > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > > > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > > > > > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to> you,> > > may I> > > > > > ask> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > ...?//> > > > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic> > > trend> > > > > from> > > > > > > > > lalkitab groups.> > > > > > > > > > Whenever they can't counterÃ‚ the logics and> > arguments> > > put> > > > > > > forward> > > > > > > > > by me, their lastÃ‚ resortÃ‚ is my horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > Ã‚ Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is> overlapping> > > your> > > > > > > > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > > > > > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...Ã‚> > Ã‚> > > My> > > > > > > > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God> > > andÃ‚> > > > > > > doing my> > > > > > > > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets> > > ...with> > > > > no> > > > > > > bias> > > > > > > > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > > > > > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal> > > personalities,> > > > > they> > > > > > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > > > > > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for> a> > > > > suicide,> > > > > > > > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest> > they> > > be> > > > > > > spoken> > > > > > > > > of as weak.> > > > > > > > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not> drink> > > > > alcohol> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > eat> > > > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the> 11H> > of> > > > > > saturn> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes> alcohol,> > > Sun's> > > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic> > destroying> > > the> > > > > > > 5H.. //> > > > > > > > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently> referring> > > to my> > > > > > > > > chart...> > > > > > > > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you,> > may> > > I> > > > > ask> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > ...?> > > > > > > > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink> > > alcohol> > > > > and> > > > > > > eat> > > > > > > > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This> is> > > not> > > > > > right> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > > > > > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and> have> > > always> > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > transparent about it...> > > > > > > > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner> and> > > You> > > > > are> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > saint ?> > > > > > > > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > > > > > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you> > > > > > willÃ‚> > > > > > > > > locate such references and connect itÃ‚ to the> > planetary> > > > > > > combinations> > > > > > > > > in my chart ?> > > > > > > > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > > > > > > > Please explain this part.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //> > > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > > > > > //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > > > > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > > > > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall> of> > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Sun in> > > > > > > > > > > the chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense,> not> > > been> > > > > > able> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > cope> > > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support> > from,> > > > > close> > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone> from> > > > > society> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to> > > commit> > > > > > > suicide.> > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > > > ---------> > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is> Leo> > > Lagna,> > > > > > who> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > > > > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal> > personalities,> > > > > they> > > > > > > > > inspire to> > > > > > > > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping> > > your> > > > > > > > > consciousness> > > > > > > > > > > my dear !.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > > > > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se> > aulad> > > ki> > > > > > > tabahi ka> > > > > > > > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink> > > alcohol> > > > > > and> > > > > > > eat> > > > > > > > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > > > > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the> 11H> > of> > > > > > saturn> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes> alcohol,> > > Sun's> > > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic> > destroying> > > the> > > > > > 5H.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense,> not> > > been> > > > > > able> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > cope> > > > > > > > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support> > > from,> > > > > > close> > > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone> > from> > > > > > society> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to> > > commit> > > > > > > suicide.> > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy> to> > do> > > > > this.> > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation> in> > > Life> > > > > in> > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to> > > Marilyn> > > > > > Monroe> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and> > masculinity> > > in> > > > > > them> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over> > here,> > > > > start> > > > > > > > > checking> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that> most> > > of> > > > > them> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the> VRY> > > > > > periods.> > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad> > > roles in> > > > > > > movies.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless> his> > > soul.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > chiranjiv> > > > > > > > > mehta> > > > > > > > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks> > like> > > > > that> > > > > > is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read> > somewhere> > > > > that> > > > > > i> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must> be> > > > > > something.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒâ€š is not> > > > > > > expressingÃƒâ€š VRY well.> > > > > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main> > > character> > > > > is> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > antihero.> > > > > > > > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong> > > > > > inÃƒâ€š> > > > > > > adverse> > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > House> > > No.> > > > > > 8!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained> with> > > 8H> > > > > > dashas> > > > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in> > > nakshatra of> > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta> > > <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this> discussion.> > > We> > > > > are> > > > > > > fairly> > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I> > was> > > > > > calling> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the> > data> > > is> > > > > > > > > authentic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H> results> > > > > listed> > > > > > > down> > > > > > > > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She> led> > a> > > life> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became> > the> > > > > > legend> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May> be> > > 8H> > > > > > again?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar> in> > > 8H.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life,> why?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm> > talking> > > > > > about!> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > .co..> > > > > > > > > in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒâ€š not> > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives,> depends> > on> > > who> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those> > lead> > > to> > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > > > > > > > PowerÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š and> > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time> of> > > > > > > frutification> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > ...> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> House> > > No.> > > > > 8!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example.> I> > > offer> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > Horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt..> > > Presently> > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > september> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th> > Lord> > > for> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter> > is> > > > > > > debilitated> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga> > etc....> > > in> > > > > > > kendras> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev> > > keralam..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the> VRY> > > work> > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > ..and> > > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or> philosphy> > > but> > > > > tell> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk> about> > > > > material> > > > > > > > > now...> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such> ..I> > > am> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > interested..> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > Optimized> > > IE8.> > > > > > Get> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > NOW!> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo> rer/> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8.> > Get> > > it> > > > > > NOW!> > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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February 5, 2010

Dear Goel Ji,

// suicide itself is purpose //

Before we proceed to astrology part lets settle as to what denotes suicide.

I think it denotes voluntary death --not completely voluntary--as circumstances force/drive a person to take this extreme step.

It includes both {I Quit}. and {I Quit -- so that you carry on}. RegardsKulbir Bains

vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:53:50 AM Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,Hare Rama Krsna,//Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//Partly correct...//Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//Suicide itself is purpose, We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Goel Ji,> Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.> Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?> Ã‚ Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vijay.goel <goyalvj >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE> > Ã‚ > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H. > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding.. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and

'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H] > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him. > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H

[suicide].> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]> Ã‚ > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃƒâ€šÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough to japanese culture.> > I am making your job easier.> > you reside at Jaipur.> > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> >

Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > Dear Goel ji,> > What do you have to say about > > Kamikaze> > Lets discuss it on forum,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ I don't require any preferential treatment.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.//> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum. It is respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see previous post.> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > I will always say suicide is the

act of cowardice, an act of murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the knowledge given by Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity.> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly explain you logics behind it over phone. > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet confrontation over thought, don't worry > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my heart.. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25> > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand> > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context> > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they> > > challnge me for exchanges which will end

up in their himiliations and> > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> > > fear anybody other than God.> > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for> > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will> > > happen ..." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me> > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am> > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a "Dharmi> > > tewa" ? What

nonsense is this.> > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> > > that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this as> > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie> > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never realise. But> > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull> > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while> > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive> > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > with them in the ways they

understand)> > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which> > > they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense> > > talkings ?> > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to> > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as> > > we are cultured people.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > ...?//> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put forward> > > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!> > > >> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ My> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ doing my> > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias> > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..>

> > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.//> > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken> > > of as weak.> > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > > eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.. //> > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > chart...> > > >

But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > ...?> > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat> > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and> > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been> > > transparent about it...> > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > saint ?> > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this

part.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > >> > > > > //> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter

and> > > Sun in> > > > > the chart.> > > > >> > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > >> > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> > > > > life energy of Sun

within.> > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life at all condition.> > > > >> > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness> > > > > my dear !.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > >> > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > >> > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of

saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > >> > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > >

>> > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One> > > must> > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order> > > to> > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am only

talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who> > > was> > > > > a> > > > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > checking> > > > > the> > > > > > > Horoscopes of

Politicans, they will find that most of them have> > > got> > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> > > > > cannot> > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.> > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv> > > mehta> > > > > > > vchiranjiv@

wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> > > > > only> > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am> > > also> > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ VRY well.> > > Its> > > > > effects> > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > > > > > antihero..> > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong

inÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ adverse> > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > through> > > > > > out> > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and> > > Jup> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for> > > and> > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > authentic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9. 30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > secrets> > > > > > and> > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > which> > > > > are> > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2

February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..> > > in>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will> > > see> > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ and> > > > > which> > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification> > > of> > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House

No. 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > Horoscope> > > > > > as> > > > > > > a>

> > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > > september> > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > Lagna.> > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated> > > and> > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras> > > and> > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer

to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > > ..and> > > > > how> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me> > > what> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > now...> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > >

> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > > interested..> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New

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February 5, 2010

Suicide; one method of explanation is of Dharmendra in Sholay.

But Groupwaalo - Hum tumhe chaahte hain aise; Marne waala koiii zindagi chaahta ho jaise.

This reminds me of Qurbaani and Panache of Feroz Khan. RegardsKulbir Bains

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 6:26:46 PMRe: Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Dear Goel Ji,

// suicide itself is purpose //

Before we proceed to astrology part lets settle as to what denotes suicide.

I think it denotes voluntary death --not completely voluntary--as circumstances force/drive a person to take this extreme step.

It includes both {I Quit}. and {I Quit -- so that you carry on}. RegardsKulbir Bains

vijay.goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, 4 February, 2010 10:53:50 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,Hare Rama Krsna,//Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//Partly correct...//Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//Suicide itself is purpose, We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Goel Ji,> Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.> Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?> Ã‚ Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vijay.goel <goyalvj >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE> > Ã‚ > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H. > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. . [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery',

'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.> As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H] > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him. > > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[ Karak :

debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]> Ã‚ > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃƒâ€šÃ‚ kamikaze you will have to go far enough to japanese culture.> > I am making your job easier.> > you reside at Jaipur.> > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

__> > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > Dear Goel ji,> > What do you have to say about > > Kamikaze> > Lets discuss it on forum,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ I don't require any preferential treatment.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Regards> > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > Dear Kulbir

bhai,> > > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > lalkitab groups.> > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put forward> > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.//> > > > I never discuss any personal horoscope in the forum.. It is respected Bhaskerji who has presented his own horoscope in this thread, please see previous post.> > > > Secondly whenever i write i only focus on the horoscope.> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Whenever anybody says (not only astrologer) that suicide is the act of bravery that i am against that statement not against him.> > I will always say suicide is the act of cowardice, an act of murder of self, anytime, anywhere.!> > > > Astrologer is Karak for Jupiter and owns the

knowledge given by Sun and Moon, (all karak for lagna and body) which are source of light.> > > > Atleast how he is going to show the path of malefic saturn and turning 8H negative, curtailing longetivity..> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > I donot have much time as i have to rush to Delhi, but i will certainly explain you logics behind it over phone. > > > > Bhasker is respected by me and he know it well, we can have sweet confrontation over thought, don't worry > > His post on KP is one of the brilliant writing i always admire through my heart.. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >

>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in> > > 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25> > > years ago, while studying this great Book.> > > > > > I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol> > > with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand> > > why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context> > > requisiting the same.... It was not in good taste.> > > > > > When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they> > > challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and> > > not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not> >

> fear anybody other than God.> > > > > > Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for> > > telling somebody that "If You drink alcohol and meat........ .this will> > > happen ..." OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses" OR other such> > > unnecessary remarks.> > > > > > Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who> > > must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me> > > drinking alcohol or eating Meat ?> > > > > > Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am> > > going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a "Dharmi> > > tewa" ? What nonsense is this.> > > > > > I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago> >

> that "After 9.00pm I am inebriviated" so some fools must take this as> > > Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie> > > Stars, I talk about Romance.. Why ? these fools will never realise. But> > > let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull> > > the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they> > > understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while> > > without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka> > > baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive> > > marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating> > > with them in the ways they understand)> > > > > > People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which> > > they

even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense> > > talkings ?> > > > > > Forget it..... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to> > > point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of> > > astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as> > > we are cultured people.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ >

> > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.//> > > > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > ...?//> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from> > > lalkitab groups.> > > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put forward> > > by me, their lastÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!> > > >> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness my dear !. //> > > > Please do not harbor any concern over this...ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ My> > > consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God andÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ doing my> > > duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias> > > towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet..> > > > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life

at all condition.//> > > > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide,> > > rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken> > > of as weak.> > > > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and> > > eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H... //> > > > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my> > > chart...> > > > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you> > > ...?> > > > Which Godforsaken person has guided

you that I drink alcohol and eat> > > Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and> > > highly irrelevant.. .> > > > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been> > > transparent about it...> > > > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a> > > saint ?> > > > But who says that I am a sinner... ?> > > > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you willÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > locate such references and connect itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ to the planetary combinations> > > in my chart ?> > > > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ?> > > > Please explain this part.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > >

>> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > > > >> > > > > //> > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > >> > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > I totally dis-agree with it.> > > > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> > > > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and> > > Sun in> > > > > the chart.> > > > >> > > > > //They may be considered weak in the

wordly sense, not been able to> > > cope> > > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > help> > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > One> > > > > needs guts to kill himself.//> > > > >> > > > > This explanation is only a joke.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> > > > > life energy of Sun within.> > > > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they> > > inspire to> > > > > live life

at all condition.> > > > >> > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your> > > consciousness> > > > > my dear !.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > >> > > > > Lal-Kitab says> > > > > "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> > > > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > > > >> > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> > > > > meat. It destroys children.> > > > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> > > > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> > > > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic

destroying the 5H.> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > >> > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > > > > >> > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > > > > >> > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to> > > cope> > > > > > with losees, or

rectify them, and with no support from, close> > > family> > > > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to> > > help> > > > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide.> > > One> > > > > > needs guts to kill himself..> > > > > >> > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One> > > must> > > > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order> > > to> > > > > > take such a major step in Life.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who> > > was> > > > > a> > > > > > darling for all the men who had

hearts and masculinity in them to> > > > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start> > > checking> > > > > the> > > > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have> > > got> > > > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods.

One> > > > > cannot> > > > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies.> > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv> > > mehta> > > > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > > > > > We are talking too much

about scandals. Looks like that is the> > > > > only> > > > > > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am> > > also> > > > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > > > > > Plus Indian KachuajiÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ is not expressingÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ VRY well.> > > Its> > > > > effects> > > > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > > > > > antihero..> > > > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ adverse> > > > > > > circumstances.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of

course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas> > > through> > > > > > out> > > > > > > her life.> > > > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and> > > Jup> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 8H!!> > > > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for> > > and> > > > > > > expecting some practical demos.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is> > > authentic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9. 30 hrs/ LA, California> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of> > > secrets> > > > > > and> > > > > > > scandals!> > > > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend> > > which> > > > > are> > > > > > > made by the 8H.> > > > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give

her a long life, why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All comments are welcome!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co..> > > in>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking andÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ not astrology.> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian> > > Kachuaa> > > > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will> > > see> > > > > > that.> > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > > > > > destruction.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or> > > PowerÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ and> > > > > which> > > > > > > nobody want to see.> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification> > >

of> > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my> > > Horoscope> > > > > > as> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt.. Presently since> > > > > september> > > > > > > 2009> > > > > > > > > I am running

antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my> > > Lagna.> > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated> > > and> > > > > > > > > retrograde both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras> > > and> > > > > > > trikonas> > > > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here> > > ..and> > > > > how> >

> > > > > will> > > > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me> > > what> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material> > > now...> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> > > > > interested..> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it> > > NOW!> > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > >

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One more song sung by Mukesh...

" Hum chod chale hain mehfil ko..... yaad aaye kabhi toh mat rona... "

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Suicide; one method of explanation isÂ of DharmendraÂ in Sholay.

> But Groupwaalo - Hum tumhe chaahte hain aise; Marne waala koiii zindagi

chaahta ho jaise.

> This reminds me of Qurbaani and Panache of Feroz Khan.

>

> Â Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ________________________________

> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

>

> Thu, 4 February, 2010 6:26:46 PM

> Re: Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

>

> Â

> Dear Goel Ji,

> // suicide itself is purpose //

>

> Before we proceed to astrology part lets settle as to what denotes suicide.

> I think it denotes voluntary death --not completely voluntary--as

circumstances force/drive a person to take this extreme step.

> It includes both {I Quit}. and {I Quit --Â so that you carry on}.

> Â Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ________________________________

> vijay.goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:53:50 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!, SUICIDE

>

> Â

>

> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna,

>

> //Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

>

> Partly correct....

>

> //Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

>

> Suicide itself is purpose,

> We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel Ji,

> > Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU..

> > Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

> > Ã‚Â Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thu, 4 February, 2010 9:53:58 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No.. 8!, SUICIDE

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna,

> >

> > In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative

aspect of 8H and

> > Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive

aspect of 8H.

> > [8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

> >

> > Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally

dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. . [Characteristic of lagna and

status of moon sign]

> >

> > I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and

'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

> >

> > I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves',

big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.

> > As an astrologer i strongly condemn it..

> >

> > In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of

prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He

incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly

said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar

mein hi maar jao "

> >

> > He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in

scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]

> > and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too

worried of him.

> >

> > As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the

major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

> >

> > So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide,

" the act of cowardice " ,[ Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H

of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]

> > Ã‚Â

> > Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical

mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

> >

> > I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel Ji, for studingÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â kamikaze you will have to go far enough

to japanese culture.

> > > I am making your job easier.

> > > you reside at Jaipur.

> > > What are your thoughts about JAUHAR.

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:10:20 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > What do you have to say about

> > > Kamikaze

> > > Lets discuss it on forum,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I don't require any preferential

treatment.

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > vijay.goel goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:00:30 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > //> I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from

> > > lalkitab groups.

> > > Whenever they can't counterÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the logics and arguments put

forward

> > > by me, their lastÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ resortÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ is my horoscope.//