Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, //Saturn follows saturn in the scheme of the Dashas// I guess you meant Saturn follows Jupiter in the scheme of the dashas... That was a lovely post touched with spirituality...I totally agree with you. It's simply the truth or reality. Thanks for the same.. blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > dear Renu ji, > > Saturn follows saturn in the scheme of the Dashas. So even if Jupiter > gives, its not necessary that Saturn will give. > > In fact if Jupiter gives, then the native must be more careful as not to > use the bounties selfishly but to share. Not to become a autocrat but a > democrat, not to be a living ghost for his family members, but to be a > lovely toast of the party. > > Because if the native strays then for sure Saturn when he comes next is > going to take his toll like the Highway people and there goes the > film-acting one does during the time of Jupiter. > > So whenever Jupiter blesses, one should keep his foot firmly planted on > the ground, not waver, be very humble and help the needy, poor and all > those whom he can. In case when saturn dasha follows and He too blesses, > then the native can be assured of real Divine blessings which no one can > touch easily. > > Blessed are those whom both Jupiter and saturn bless. > > Do not get carried away by a strong Jupiter or the happiness gifted by > Jupiter in its dasha. For jupiter is benvolent, but saturn is both > benevolent as well as Disciplined master. Jupiter will pamper you, but > Saturn will take oit all your water, punish you and then pamper you for > permanent. I better have a parent who disciplines me rather than one > who pamper me. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words: > > > > " 1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives > > 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects > > 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection > > 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy. " > > > > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus > shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this > particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets > including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered > in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct. > > > > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn > on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. > Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , Manoj Chandran > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also > conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of > planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much > easier . > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM > > > Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > >  > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a > focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, > but that does not indicate death at all. > > > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. > As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The > moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > >  > > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji, > > > > > > > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. > Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the " why " . I had considered > Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu > Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is > unlikely. My reasoning was : > > > > > > > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT > sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the > ultimate damage. > > > > > > > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in > the Drekkana chart. > > > > > > > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's > affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. > Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me. > > > > > > > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear All, > > > > > > > >Finally > > > > > > > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to > those who are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > > > > > > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of > Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest. > > > > > > > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up > Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really > commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting > moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu > ji. That was wonderful. > > > > > > > >Renu ji said: > > > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is > placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter > is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn > the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. > Moon is afflicted by Rahu. > > > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this > period indicating some event to do with younger bro.// > > > > > > > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her > detailed analysis. > > > > > > > >I thank you all for your patience! > > > > > > > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference. > > > > > > > > > > > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > > >(as per CPA) > > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > > >Regards > > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Renu ji, But I already had a party on You tonight. Okay my words in hindi mean nothing. They are just connected to the " Heart " and " Love " . All such gibberings. Nothing much of importance. Yes but your win is of some weight. A win is a win. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > I cannot cheat...but if you read Sheevani ji's original post, you would realize that she did translate it for me:) > > Now you do the translation for me please...or I will have to get help from someone. > > By the way..let's not talk about winning the quiz..I am a mere sprat among the whales in the ocean:) > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > hey Renu ji, > > > > When did you learn Hindi ? This makes me happy to know that you do > > understand the language now. > > > > Okay translate this - (Dont take help from anyone) > > > > " Dil toh hai Dil, Dil ka aitbaar kya keeje, aa gaya joh kisi pe pyaar > > kya keeje " . > > > > Yes by the way, the euphoria of your win is still not over. I am going > > to party today in your name. Okay translate this too - > > > > " Peene waale ko peena ka bahaana chahiye " . > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji > > > > > > //Begani shadhi mein Abdullah diwana, dil ki in baaton ke muskil has > > samjana..// > > > > > > Thanks!...and I agree with you. May be being single one could enjoy > > more:) > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > , " Sheevani " > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > You are the presenter of this show, so go ahead and add your flavour > > to the excitement. > > > > > > > > I am not in it, so the question of winning it is irrelavant.. > > However, it does not exclude me from enjoying the show and excitement.. > > > > > > > > Begani shadhi mein Abdullah diwana, dil ki in baaton ke muskil has > > samjana.. > > > > > > > > ( for Renu ji - u dont need to get married to enjoy the > > celebrations,, the feelings of the heart are difficult to explain) > > > > > > > > My heartiest congratulations to all who have participated.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > , " vijay.goel " > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > AAre Bhaiya mein bhi Jag raha hu > > > > > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OK! At least two KIDS are awake and listening! Bhaskar ji and > > Gopi ji! > > > > > > Great! How about others?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/15 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you are enjoying the sadistic pleasure in making > > the small > > > > > > > kids wait for you to declare the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small kid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She is behaving like the Sare ga ma pa Music programme , and > > Zee > > > > > > > awards > > > > > > > > Host, who take time to declare the winners. Yeh hairaan kar > > kar ke aur > > > > > > > > tadpa ke chodegi results dene ke pahle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta > > > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have in all 14 participants (I am sorry I said 15 > > earlier). > > > > > > > > > We have a complete range of answers starting fromm year > > 1987 to > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I must congratulate everyone for getting Venus Dasha > > right:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a table for results. I have arranged it in the > > order of > > > > > > > > dasha/time > > > > > > > > > period proposed. > > > > > > > > > You'll see that no two answers are the same. (Good or > > bad?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But let me tell you that one of the answers is fairly > > close. *Guess > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > one? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > > > > > > > Posted on 1.11.2009*** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Name * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Timing of Event* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dasha > > > > > > > > > (as per CPA)* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PL Chakraborty ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1987** July 7* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ke-Ju-Ve* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1989* Jan 89 - Jan 90 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke-Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1993** June 93-Sep 93* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Su-* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1994* April-May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Su-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudhir ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1995 *Nov-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Mo-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K.Gopu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1996* Feb 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ma-Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1998* May-June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jay ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1999-2000* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2002** Feb-June* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ju-Mo** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2007 *October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2008* Jun-Aug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Desai ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2008** August * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Me-Sa* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.R.Balsubramanian ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2009* August > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ke-Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhananjayan ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2009* October** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Ke-Sa* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Results? > > > > > > > > > OK please wait for the next post! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry Bhaskar ji for the earlier mail...I posted it without reading this:) blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Please read the first line as - > > Saturn follows Jupiter in the scheme of........... > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Renu ji, > > > > Saturn follows saturn in the scheme of the Dashas. So even if Jupiter > > gives, its not necessary that Saturn will give. > > > > In fact if Jupiter gives, then the native must be more careful as not > to > > use the bounties selfishly but to share. Not to become a autocrat but > a > > democrat, not to be a living ghost for his family members, but to be a > > lovely toast of the party. > > > > Because if the native strays then for sure Saturn when he comes next > is > > going to take his toll like the Highway people and there goes the > > film-acting one does during the time of Jupiter. > > > > So whenever Jupiter blesses, one should keep his foot firmly planted > on > > the ground, not waver, be very humble and help the needy, poor and all > > those whom he can. In case when saturn dasha follows and He too > blesses, > > then the native can be assured of real Divine blessings which no one > can > > touch easily. > > > > Blessed are those whom both Jupiter and saturn bless. > > > > Do not get carried away by a strong Jupiter or the happiness gifted by > > Jupiter in its dasha. For jupiter is benvolent, but saturn is both > > benevolent as well as Disciplined master. Jupiter will pamper you, but > > Saturn will take oit all your water, punish you and then pamper you > for > > permanent. I better have a parent who disciplines me rather than one > > who pamper me. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words: > > > > > > " 1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives > > > 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects > > > 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection > > > 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy. " > > > > > > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus > > shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this > > particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four > planets > > including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is > clustered > > in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct. > > > > > > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit > Saturn > > on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. > > Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also > > conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of > > planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much > > easier . > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM > > > > Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a > > focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain > focus, > > but that does not indicate death at all. > > > > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your > answers. > > As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The > > moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. > > Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the " why " . I had > considered > > Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why > Renu > > Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is > > unlikely. My reasoning was : > > > > > > > > > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT > > sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the > > ultimate damage. > > > > > > > > > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in > > the Drekkana chart. > > > > > > > > > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's > > affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and > obvious. > > Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me. > > > > > > > > > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning. > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM > > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear All, > > > > > > > > > >Finally > > > > > > > > > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks > to > > those who are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > > > > > > > > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of > > Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest. > > > > > > > > > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up > > Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really > > commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting > > moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations > Renu > > ji. That was wonderful. > > > > > > > > > >Renu ji said: > > > > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is > > placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. > Jupiter > > is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn > > the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. > > Moon is afflicted by Rahu. > > > > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this > > period indicating some event to do with younger bro.// > > > > > > > > > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her > > detailed analysis. > > > > > > > > > >I thank you all for your patience! > > > > > > > > > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > > > >(as per CPA) > > > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > > > >Regards > > > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 The best positive point is that you corrected my mistake without referring to this next mail. Good working of a logical mind at display. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Sorry Bhaskar ji for the earlier mail...I posted it without reading this:) > > blessings, > > Renu > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Please read the first line as - > > > > Saturn follows Jupiter in the scheme of........... > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear Renu ji, > > > > > > Saturn follows saturn in the scheme of the Dashas. So even if Jupiter > > > gives, its not necessary that Saturn will give. > > > > > > In fact if Jupiter gives, then the native must be more careful as not > > to > > > use the bounties selfishly but to share. Not to become a autocrat but > > a > > > democrat, not to be a living ghost for his family members, but to be a > > > lovely toast of the party. > > > > > > Because if the native strays then for sure Saturn when he comes next > > is > > > going to take his toll like the Highway people and there goes the > > > film-acting one does during the time of Jupiter. > > > > > > So whenever Jupiter blesses, one should keep his foot firmly planted > > on > > > the ground, not waver, be very humble and help the needy, poor and all > > > those whom he can. In case when saturn dasha follows and He too > > blesses, > > > then the native can be assured of real Divine blessings which no one > > can > > > touch easily. > > > > > > Blessed are those whom both Jupiter and saturn bless. > > > > > > Do not get carried away by a strong Jupiter or the happiness gifted by > > > Jupiter in its dasha. For jupiter is benvolent, but saturn is both > > > benevolent as well as Disciplined master. Jupiter will pamper you, but > > > Saturn will take oit all your water, punish you and then pamper you > > for > > > permanent. I better have a parent who disciplines me rather than one > > > who pamper me. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words: > > > > > > > > " 1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives > > > > 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects > > > > 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection > > > > 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy. " > > > > > > > > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus > > > shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this > > > particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four > > planets > > > including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is > > clustered > > > in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct. > > > > > > > > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit > > Saturn > > > on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. > > > Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also > > > conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of > > > planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much > > > easier . > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > > > > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM > > > > > Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a > > > focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain > > focus, > > > but that does not indicate death at all. > > > > > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your > > answers. > > > As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The > > > moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > > > > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. > > > Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the " why " . I had > > considered > > > Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why > > Renu > > > Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is > > > unlikely. My reasoning was : > > > > > > > > > > > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT > > > sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the > > > ultimate damage. > > > > > > > > > > > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in > > > the Drekkana chart. > > > > > > > > > > > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's > > > affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and > > obvious. > > > Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me. > > > > > > > > > > > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning. > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM > > > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > >Finally > > > > > > > > > > > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks > > to > > > those who are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > > > > > > > > > > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of > > > Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest. > > > > > > > > > > > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up > > > Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really > > > commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting > > > moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations > > Renu > > > ji. That was wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > >Renu ji said: > > > > > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is > > > placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. > > Jupiter > > > is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn > > > the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. > > > Moon is afflicted by Rahu. > > > > > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this > > > period indicating some event to do with younger bro.// > > > > > > > > > > > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her > > > detailed analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > >I thank you all for your patience! > > > > > > > > > > > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > > > > >(as per CPA) > > > > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > > > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > > > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > > > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > > > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > > > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > > > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > > > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > > > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > > > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > > > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > > > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > > > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > > > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Gopi ji, Sure, but let us try not to allow mind to interfere with our fun as long as it is innocent... blessings, Renu , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > you can have fun whenever you read the lines but the mind's interference > spoils it by telling us it is not LIVE... > Regards, > gopi. > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks Gopi ji...missed the fun last night..... before the result was > out! > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > CONGRATULATIONS TO RENU JI AND NEELAMJI..... > > > Good night, > > > gopi. > > > , neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > *Finally* > > > > > > > > I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to > > > those who > > > > are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > > > > > > > The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of > Ve-Ju-Ra. > > > He died > > > > of a sudden cardiac arrest. > > > > > > > > *Renu ji *came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up > > > Moon > > > > Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really > > > > commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as > afflicting > > > moon, > > > > but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu > ji. > > > That > > > > was wonderful. > > > > > > > > Renu ji said: > > > > //Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is > placed > > > in 3H > > > > and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the > > > maraka 2HL > > > > for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon > is > > > the 6HL > > > > of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by > > > Rahu. > > > > The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this > period > > > > indicating some event to do with younger bro.// > > > > > > > > I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her > > > detailed > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > I thank you all for your patience! > > > > > > > > I am repeating the table here for quick reference. > > > > > > > > *Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > > Posted on 1.11.2009*** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Name * > > > > > > > > *Timing of Event* > > > > > > > > *Dasha > > > > (as per CPA)* > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > PL Chakraborty ji > > > > > > > > *1987** July 7* > > > > > > > > *Ke-Ju-Ve* > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel ji > > > > > > > > *1989* Jan 89 - Jan 90 > > > > > > > > Ke-Me > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > *1993** June 93-Sep 93* > > > > > > > > *Ve-Su-* > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > Gopi ji > > > > > > > > *1994* April-May > > > > > > > > Ve-Su-Ve > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > Sudhir ji > > > > > > > > *1995 *Nov-Dec > > > > > > > > Ve-Mo-Ve > > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > K.Gopu ji > > > > > > > > *1996* Feb 15 > > > > > > > > Ve-Ma-Ma > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran ji > > > > > > > > *1998* May-June > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > Sunil Jay ji > > > > > > > > *1999-2000* > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > Renu ji > > > > > > > > *2002** Feb-June* > > > > > > > > Ve-Ju-Mo** > > > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill ji > > > > > > > > *2007 *October > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Ma > > > > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > Sundar ji > > > > > > > > *2008* Jun-Aug > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Sa > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > Amit Desai ji > > > > > > > > *2008** August * > > > > > > > > *Ve-Me-Sa* > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > S.R.Balsubramanian ji > > > > > > > > *2009* August > > > > > > > > Ve-Ke-Ju > > > > > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > Dhananjayan ji > > > > > > > > *2009* October** > > > > > > > > *Ve-Ke-Sa* > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Neelam, I want to thank you for the time & efforts in conducting the Quiz for the 2nd time. Kind regards & good luck. Sudhir - neelam gupta Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:39 PM Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear All,FinallyI thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-)The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest.Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful.Renu ji said://Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu.The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.//I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis.I thank you all for your patience!I am repeating the table here for quick reference. Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 Posted on 1.11.2009 Name Timing of Event Dasha (as per CPA) 1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987 July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve 2 Vijay Goel ji 1989 Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me 3 Bhaskar ji 1993 June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- 4 Gopi ji 1994 April-May Ve-Su-Ve 5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve 6 K.Gopu ji 1996 Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma 7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998 May-June Ve-Ra 8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra 9 Renu ji 2002 Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo 10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma 11 Sundar ji 2008 Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa 12 Amit Desai ji 2008 August Ve-Me-Sa 13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009 August Ve-Ke-Ju 14 Dhananjayan ji 2009 October Ve-Ke-SaRegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, I am really grateful to you for giving an opportunity learn even after the results are out. Your interest awakens us from our slumber! Yes, agree with almost all your points. Anyway should we not forget that Saturn is also the 12HL to 3H of the native? On the fatal day Saturn and Mars have exchanged their stars..I don't know how far it is relevant here. 6HL Moon was debilitated and in the star of Saturn. Transit Me happened to be in the 6th and unfortunately in maraka Jupiter's star. In the deceased's chart the 4 planet transit combo happened in his 7H. But all these are post-mortem....since now we know the date of demise. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji, > > You make some very good points. Here is what I learnt in summary: > > Dasha/Antar is primary, transit is subservient. > > While I agree that Rahu weakens Saturn and that Saturn is still quite close to his debilitation Rashi and is at the edge of the sign, Saturn still aspects his own MT house. Also there is not much affliction to the 3H in transit (Saturn and Mars are aspecting it, one is the house lord other being the 3L/10L). As you may have read other analysis, there has been much more affliction to 3H/3L in other dashas/antar, yet the event did not happen. Even Rahu's affliction of Saturn is well beyond the 5 degree orb of intense affliction. > > So the key to the event is the Marakesh Jupiter. When Jupiter wanted to kill, he could do so with not that much transit affliction helping him, even over powering Saturn's aspect on his own house. In this case, Jupiter being exalted, probably gave him the required strength to execute his role as Markesh. > > One major difficulty I found in this exercise was that two key planets Me (8L) and Mo (6L) are both very quick planets and could not be used effectively in transit to time events. > > Infact now looking back, Jupiter being in Pisces in Drekkana, reinforces his 2H rulership from the 3H and gives him more power to be the Markesh. Strong does not mean Good ! > >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > > Mon, November 16, 2009 3:33:52 AM > Re: AIA Quiz -3 > >  > Dear Manoj ji, > > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words: > > " 1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives > 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects > 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection > 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy. " > > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct. > > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > blessings, > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much easier . > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, but that does not indicate death at all. > > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >  > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji, > > > > > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the " why " . I had considered Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is unlikely. My reasoning was : > > > > > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the ultimate damage. > > > > > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in the Drekkana chart. > > > > > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me. > > > > > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning. > > > > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear All, > > > > > >Finally > > > > > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > > > > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest. > > > > > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful. > > > > > >Renu ji said: > > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu. > > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.// > > > > > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis. > > > > > >I thank you all for your patience! > > > > > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference. > > > > > > > > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > >(as per CPA) > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > >Regards > > >Neelam > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Oh.. " pyaar'..the meaning I knew since my school days but missed here. Anyway thanks for your encouraging words. blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Renu ji, > > But I already had a party on You tonight. > > Okay my words in hindi mean nothing. They are just connected to the > " Heart " and " Love " . All such gibberings. Nothing much of importance. > > Yes but your win is of some weight. A win is a win. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > I cannot cheat...but if you read Sheevani ji's original post, you > would realize that she did translate it for me:) > > > > Now you do the translation for me please...or I will have to get help > from someone. > > > > By the way..let's not talk about winning the quiz..I am a mere sprat > among the whales in the ocean:) > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > hey Renu ji, > > > > > > When did you learn Hindi ? This makes me happy to know that you do > > > understand the language now. > > > > > > Okay translate this - (Dont take help from anyone) > > > > > > " Dil toh hai Dil, Dil ka aitbaar kya keeje, aa gaya joh kisi pe > pyaar > > > kya keeje " . > > > > > > Yes by the way, the euphoria of your win is still not over. I am > going > > > to party today in your name. Okay translate this too - > > > > > > " Peene waale ko peena ka bahaana chahiye " . > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji > > > > > > > > //Begani shadhi mein Abdullah diwana, dil ki in baaton ke muskil > has > > > samjana..// > > > > > > > > Thanks!...and I agree with you. May be being single one could > enjoy > > > more:) > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " Sheevani " > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > You are the presenter of this show, so go ahead and add your > flavour > > > to the excitement. > > > > > > > > > > I am not in it, so the question of winning it is irrelavant.. > > > However, it does not exclude me from enjoying the show and > excitement.. > > > > > > > > > > Begani shadhi mein Abdullah diwana, dil ki in baaton ke muskil > has > > > samjana.. > > > > > > > > > > ( for Renu ji - u dont need to get married to enjoy the > > > celebrations,, the feelings of the heart are difficult to explain) > > > > > > > > > > My heartiest congratulations to all who have participated.. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > , " vijay.goel " > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > AAre Bhaiya mein bhi Jag raha hu > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK! At least two KIDS are awake and listening! Bhaskar ji > and > > > Gopi ji! > > > > > > > Great! How about others?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/15 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you are enjoying the sadistic pleasure in > making > > > the small > > > > > > > > kids wait for you to declare the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small kid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40yaho\ > \ > > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She is behaving like the Sare ga ma pa Music programme , > and > > > Zee > > > > > > > > awards > > > > > > > > > Host, who take time to declare the winners. Yeh hairaan > kar > > > kar ke aur > > > > > > > > > tadpa ke chodegi results dene ke pahle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40yaho\ > \ > > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have in all 14 participants (I am sorry I said 15 > > > earlier). > > > > > > > > > > We have a complete range of answers starting fromm > year > > > 1987 to > > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I must congratulate everyone for getting Venus > Dasha > > > right:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a table for results. I have arranged it in the > > > order of > > > > > > > > > dasha/time > > > > > > > > > > period proposed. > > > > > > > > > > You'll see that no two answers are the same. (Good or > > > bad?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But let me tell you that one of the answers is fairly > > > close. *Guess > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > one? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > > > > > > > > > Posted on 1.11.2009*** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Name * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Timing of Event* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dasha > > > > > > > > > > (as per CPA)* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PL Chakraborty ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1987** July 7* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ke-Ju-Ve* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1989* Jan 89 - Jan 90 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke-Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1993** June 93-Sep 93* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Su-* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1994* April-May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Su-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudhir ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1995 *Nov-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Mo-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K.Gopu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1996* Feb 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ma-Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1998* May-June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jay ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1999-2000* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2002** Feb-June* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ju-Mo** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2007 *October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2008* Jun-Aug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Me-Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Desai ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2008** August * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Me-Sa* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.R.Balsubramanian ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2009* August > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve-Ke-Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhananjayan ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *2009* October** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Ve-Ke-Sa* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Results? > > > > > > > > > > OK please wait for the next post! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Renu Ji, //But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise// Exactly the point! Especially the points about Me, Mo and Mars. They would have been in their respective positions several times in the Venus Dasha. So they are not useful as predictors. But Me and Mo being 8L, 6L they are important predictors that unfortunately cannot be used effectively due to their speed. Sa being 12L I feel is over powered by his LL credential, especially since Kumba is also a MT sign. But 12L credential cannot be completely ignored. I was always convinced of involvement of Venus - Rahu in this saga. I was unable to insert Jupiter in between !!! Neelam Ji is right, we need to look at alternate dashas as well. I have been lazy and not going that route, that now looks like I need to. Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:51:33 AM Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear Manoj ji,I am really grateful to you for giving an opportunity learn even after the results are out. Your interest awakens us from our slumber!Yes, agree with almost all your points. Anyway should we not forget that Saturn is also the 12HL to 3H of the native? On the fatal day Saturn and Mars have exchanged their stars..I don't know how far it is relevant here.6HL Moon was debilitated and in the star of Saturn. Transit Me happened to be in the 6th and unfortunately in maraka Jupiter's star.In the deceased's chart the 4 planet transit combo happened in his 7H.But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > You make some very good points. Here is what I learnt in summary:> > Dasha/Antar is primary, transit is subservient. > > While I agree that Rahu weakens Saturn and that Saturn is still quite close to his debilitation Rashi and is at the edge of the sign, Saturn still aspects his own MT house. Also there is not much affliction to the 3H in transit (Saturn and Mars are aspecting it, one is the house lord other being the 3L/10L). As you may have read other analysis, there has been much more affliction to 3H/3L in other dashas/antar, yet the event did not happen. Even Rahu's affliction of Saturn is well beyond the 5 degree orb of intense affliction.> > So the key to the event is the Marakesh Jupiter. When Jupiter wanted to kill, he could do so with not that much transit affliction helping him, even over powering Saturn' s aspect on his own house. In this case, Jupiter being exalted, probably gave him the required strength to execute his role as Markesh.> > One major difficulty I found in this exercise was that two key planets Me (8L) and Mo (6L) are both very quick planets and could not be used effectively in transit to time events.> > Infact now looking back, Jupiter being in Pisces in Drekkana, reinforces his 2H rulership from the 3H and gives him more power to be the Markesh. Strong does not mean Good !> >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Mon, November 16, 2009 3:33:52 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words:> > "1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives> 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects> 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection> 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy."> > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct.> > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much easier .> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, but that does not indicate death at all.> > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >  > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji,> > >> > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the "why". I had considered Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is unlikely. My reasoning was :> > >> > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the ultimate damage.> > >> > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in the Drekkana chart.> > >> > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me.> > >> > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning.> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear All,> > >> > >Finally> > >> > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-)> > >> > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest.> > >> > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful.> > >> > >Renu ji said:> > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu.> > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.//> > >> > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis.> > >> > >I thank you all for your patience!> > >> > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference.> > >> > >> > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > >(as per CPA) > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > >Regards> > >Neelam> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for illuminating us more on this. When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc. GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus. Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra. Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha > system. > > *Take Char Dasha in this case.* > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007. > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it > is Vir-Aqu. > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven. > > *One can also try Yogini.* > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji, Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma--- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw <renunw wrote:renunw <renunw Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for illuminating us more on this. When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc. GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus. Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra. Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha > system. > > *Take Char Dasha in this case.* > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007. > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it > is Vir-Aqu. > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven. > > *One can also try Yogini.* > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 //I was unable to insert Jupiter in between//I am giving another similar case. This boy also lost his younger brother to sudden death. Role of LL is important for any major event to happen. BT: 28.11.1962/1.45/Rohtak, Haryana (virgo lagna)Lost his brother on 17.10.1967 in te dasha of Me-Su-VeThis person also has an exchange of 3/11 lords. It was the dasha of LL in 3H. Sun is the 12L in 3H. Venus is 7/12 lord from 3H. RegardsNeelam2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Dear Renu Ji, //But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise// Exactly the point! Especially the points about Me, Mo and Mars. They would have been in their respective positions several times in the Venus Dasha. So they are not useful as predictors. But Me and Mo being 8L, 6L they are important predictors that unfortunately cannot be used effectively due to their speed. Sa being 12L I feel is over powered by his LL credential, especially since Kumba is also a MT sign. But 12L credential cannot be completely ignored. I was always convinced of involvement of Venus - Rahu in this saga. I was unable to insert Jupiter in between !!! Neelam Ji is right, we need to look at alternate dashas as well. I have been lazy and not going that route, that now looks like I need to. Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw Mon, November 16, 2009 9:51:33 AM Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear Manoj ji,I am really grateful to you for giving an opportunity learn even after the results are out. Your interest awakens us from our slumber!Yes, agree with almost all your points. Anyway should we not forget that Saturn is also the 12HL to 3H of the native? On the fatal day Saturn and Mars have exchanged their stars..I don't know how far it is relevant here. 6HL Moon was debilitated and in the star of Saturn. Transit Me happened to be in the 6th and unfortunately in maraka Jupiter's star.In the deceased's chart the 4 planet transit combo happened in his 7H. But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > You make some very good points. Here is what I learnt in summary:> > Dasha/Antar is primary, transit is subservient. > > While I agree that Rahu weakens Saturn and that Saturn is still quite close to his debilitation Rashi and is at the edge of the sign, Saturn still aspects his own MT house. Also there is not much affliction to the 3H in transit (Saturn and Mars are aspecting it, one is the house lord other being the 3L/10L). As you may have read other analysis, there has been much more affliction to 3H/3L in other dashas/antar, yet the event did not happen. Even Rahu's affliction of Saturn is well beyond the 5 degree orb of intense affliction. > > So the key to the event is the Marakesh Jupiter. When Jupiter wanted to kill, he could do so with not that much transit affliction helping him, even over powering Saturn' s aspect on his own house. In this case, Jupiter being exalted, probably gave him the required strength to execute his role as Markesh.> > One major difficulty I found in this exercise was that two key planets Me (8L) and Mo (6L) are both very quick planets and could not be used effectively in transit to time events. > > Infact now looking back, Jupiter being in Pisces in Drekkana, reinforces his 2H rulership from the 3H and gives him more power to be the Markesh. Strong does not mean Good !> >  > Regards, >  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, November 16, 2009 3:33:52 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words:> > " 1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives > 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects> 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection> 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy. " > > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct. > > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much easier . > >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, but that does not indicate death at all.> > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >  > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji,> > >> > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the " why " . I had considered Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is unlikely. My reasoning was :> > > > > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the ultimate damage.> > >> > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in the Drekkana chart. > > >> > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me. > > >> > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning.> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > >> > > > > > > > >Dear All,> > >> > >Finally> > >> > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-) > > >> > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest.> > >> > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful. > > >> > >Renu ji said:> > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu. > > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.//> > >> > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis. > > >> > >I thank you all for your patience!> > >> > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference.> > >> > >> > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > >(as per CPA) > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > >Regards> > >Neelam> > > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome.RegardsNeelam2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji, Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma--- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw <renunw wrote: renunw <renunw Re: AIA Quiz -3 Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for illuminating us more on this. When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc. GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus. Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra. Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha > system. > > *Take Char Dasha in this case.* > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007. > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it > is Vir-Aqu. > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven. > > *One can also try Yogini.* > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji / Members, Here is my analysis about the happening of event. Chart of Younger Brother is considered. Birth Details - 11 dec 86 / 11:15 AM Capricorn Ascendant 29.21 degrees Natal Indications Natal Rahu afflicts Natal Sun with a very close influence. Difference of only 0.21 degrees may be noted. Sun rules longevity for native and significator for heart also. Hence the longevity & heart related problems are indicated. Mars / 4th Lord also not strong enough to give protection for heart troubles. Operating Sub period (at the time of death) Rahu, which is an afflictor to longevity (Sun) of native in this case. Transit Influence Transit Ra / Ke were stationery since long @ 24 degrees prior to the unfortunate event and creating continous stress on Natal 8L (Sun). Transit Ra / Ke influence (again stationery) on Natal Ra / Ke. Closeness was < 2 degrees. Collision of 8L and 12L (< 0.2 degree influence). The role of Nodes and Sun were responsible for this event. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma --- On Mon, 11/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 PM Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome.RegardsNeelam 2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji,Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you.Warm Regards,Deepak Sharma --- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM Dear Neelam ji,Thanks for illuminating us more on this.When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc.GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus.Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra.Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha> system.> > *Take Char Dasha in this case.*> This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007.> Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it> is Vir-Aqu.> BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven.> > *One can also try Yogini.*> At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the> placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event.> > Hope this helps.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, You are absolutely correct. Role of LL is critical and in focussing too much on 3H/3L I lost count of the fact that Ju is the LL for the Elder Brother. Some times one tends to go in circles and circles and miss the main Exit !!! Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 10:37:33 AMRe: Re: AIA Quiz -3 //I was unable to insert Jupiter in between//I am giving another similar case. This boy also lost his younger brother to sudden death. Role of LL is important for any major event to happen.BT: 28.11.1962/1. 45/Rohtak, Haryana (virgo lagna)Lost his brother on 17.10.1967 in te dasha of Me-Su-VeThis person also has an exchange of 3/11 lords. It was the dasha of LL in 3H. Sun is the 12L in 3H. Venus is 7/12 lord from 3H.RegardsNeelam 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Dear Renu Ji, //But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise// Exactly the point! Especially the points about Me, Mo and Mars. They would have been in their respective positions several times in the Venus Dasha. So they are not useful as predictors. But Me and Mo being 8L, 6L they are important predictors that unfortunately cannot be used effectively due to their speed. Sa being 12L I feel is over powered by his LL credential, especially since Kumba is also a MT sign. But 12L credential cannot be completely ignored. I was always convinced of involvement of Venus - Rahu in this saga. I was unable to insert Jupiter in between !!! Neelam Ji is right, we need to look at alternate dashas as well. I have been lazy and not going that route, that now looks like I need to. Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 16, 2009 9:51:33 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear Manoj ji,I am really grateful to you for giving an opportunity learn even after the results are out. Your interest awakens us from our slumber!Yes, agree with almost all your points. Anyway should we not forget that Saturn is also the 12HL to 3H of the native? On the fatal day Saturn and Mars have exchanged their stars..I don't know how far it is relevant here.6HL Moon was debilitated and in the star of Saturn. Transit Me happened to be in the 6th and unfortunately in maraka Jupiter's star.In the deceased's chart the 4 planet transit combo happened in his 7H.But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > You make some very good points. Here is what I learnt in summary:> > Dasha/Antar is primary, transit is subservient. > > While I agree that Rahu weakens Saturn and that Saturn is still quite close to his debilitation Rashi and is at the edge of the sign, Saturn still aspects his own MT house. Also there is not much affliction to the 3H in transit (Saturn and Mars are aspecting it, one is the house lord other being the 3L/10L). As you may have read other analysis, there has been much more affliction to 3H/3L in other dashas/antar, yet the event did not happen. Even Rahu's affliction of Saturn is well beyond the 5 degree orb of intense affliction.> > So the key to the event is the Marakesh Jupiter. When Jupiter wanted to kill, he could do so with not that much transit affliction helping him, even over powering Saturn' s aspect on his own house. In this case, Jupiter being exalted, probably gave him the required strength to execute his role as Markesh.> > One major difficulty I found in this exercise was that two key planets Me (8L) and Mo (6L) are both very quick planets and could not be used effectively in transit to time events.> > Infact now looking back, Jupiter being in Pisces in Drekkana, reinforces his 2H rulership from the 3H and gives him more power to be the Markesh. Strong does not mean Good !> >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Mon, November 16, 2009 3:33:52 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words:> > "1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives> 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects> 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection> 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy."> > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct.> > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much easier .> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, but that does not indicate death at all.> > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >  > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji,> > >> > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the "why". I had considered Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is unlikely. My reasoning was :> > >> > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the ultimate damage.> > >> > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in the Drekkana chart.> > >> > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me.> > >> > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning.> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear All,> > >> > >Finally> > >> > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-)> > >> > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest.> > >> > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful.> > >> > >Renu ji said:> > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu.> > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.//> > >> > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis.> > >> > >I thank you all for your patience!> > >> > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference.> > >> > >> > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > >(as per CPA) > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > >Regards> > >Neelam> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Dear Deepak Ji, Thank you for your SA perspective. Regarding Rahu/Ketu going stationary, is there a quick way to look for this during the year? The only way I know of is to plug each month into JHora and watch what happens. Is there a quick shot way/tool/website that has this information handy. I completely agree that Rahu/Ketu going stationary can be a critical Transit clue for those using True Nodes. Regards, -Manoj deepak sharma <deepak_rptech Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 10:48:14 AMRe: Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear Neelam Ji / Members, Here is my analysis about the happening of event. Chart of Younger Brother is considered. Birth Details - 11 dec 86 / 11:15 AM Capricorn Ascendant 29.21 degrees Natal Indications Natal Rahu afflicts Natal Sun with a very close influence. Difference of only 0.21 degrees may be noted. Sun rules longevity for native and significator for heart also. Hence the longevity & heart related problems are indicated. Mars / 4th Lord also not strong enough to give protection for heart troubles. Operating Sub period (at the time of death) Rahu, which is an afflictor to longevity (Sun) of native in this case. Transit Influence Transit Ra / Ke were stationery since long @ 24 degrees prior to the unfortunate event and creating continous stress on Natal 8L (Sun). Transit Ra / Ke influence (again stationery) on Natal Ra / Ke. Closeness was < 2 degrees. Collision of 8L and 12L (< 0.2 degree influence). The role of Nodes and Sun were responsible for this event. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma --- On Mon, 11/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 PM Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome.RegardsNeelam 2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji,Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you.Warm Regards,Deepak Sharma --- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM Dear Neelam ji,Thanks for illuminating us more on this.When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc.GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus.Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra.Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha> system.> > *Take Char Dasha in this case.*> This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007.> Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it> is Vir-Aqu.> BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven.> > *One can also try Yogini.*> At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the> placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event.> > Hope this helps.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear all, Namaste. Post mortem is not that bad. It is necessary as it opens up the various possibilities for finding the reasons of triggering the event . As Neelamji pointed out, it is a critical point that the Lagna Lord is playing a major role of vital authority in the scheme of things. So after solving the quiz, the post quiz discussion allows to emerge so many new concepts in prediction. It is really interesting that the science holds so much from us. The use of alternate dasa system is also another important tool. That is where experience comes into the picture. Neelamji's flourishes made good of her not participating in the event. It is heartening to see the group active and educative.With best regards,S.R.Balsubramaniam--- On Mon, 16/11/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 10:42 PM Dear Renu Ji, //But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise// Exactly the point! Especially the points about Me, Mo and Mars. They would have been in their respective positions several times in the Venus Dasha. So they are not useful as predictors. But Me and Mo being 8L, 6L they are important predictors that unfortunately cannot be used effectively due to their speed. Sa being 12L I feel is over powered by his LL credential, especially since Kumba is also a MT sign. But 12L credential cannot be completely ignored. I was always convinced of involvement of Venus - Rahu in this saga. I was unable to insert Jupiter in between !!! Neelam Ji is right, we need to look at alternate dashas as well. I have been lazy and not going that route, that now looks like I need to. Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 16, 2009 9:51:33 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 Dear Manoj ji,I am really grateful to you for giving an opportunity learn even after the results are out. Your interest awakens us from our slumber!Yes, agree with almost all your points. Anyway should we not forget that Saturn is also the 12HL to 3H of the native? On the fatal day Saturn and Mars have exchanged their stars..I don't know how far it is relevant here.6HL Moon was debilitated and in the star of Saturn. Transit Me happened to be in the 6th and unfortunately in maraka Jupiter's star.In the deceased's chart the 4 planet transit combo happened in his 7H.But all these are post-mortem. ...since now we know the date of demise.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > You make some very good points. Here is what I learnt in summary:> > Dasha/Antar is primary, transit is subservient. > > While I agree that Rahu weakens Saturn and that Saturn is still quite close to his debilitation Rashi and is at the edge of the sign, Saturn still aspects his own MT house. Also there is not much affliction to the 3H in transit (Saturn and Mars are aspecting it, one is the house lord other being the 3L/10L). As you may have read other analysis, there has been much more affliction to 3H/3L in other dashas/antar, yet the event did not happen. Even Rahu's affliction of Saturn is well beyond the 5 degree orb of intense affliction.> > So the key to the event is the Marakesh Jupiter. When Jupiter wanted to kill, he could do so with not that much transit affliction helping him, even over powering Saturn' s aspect on his own house. In this case, Jupiter being exalted, probably gave him the required strength to execute his role as Markesh.> > One major difficulty I found in this exercise was that two key planets Me (8L) and Mo (6L) are both very quick planets and could not be used effectively in transit to time events.> > Infact now looking back, Jupiter being in Pisces in Drekkana, reinforces his 2H rulership from the 3H and gives him more power to be the Markesh. Strong does not mean Good !> >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Mon, November 16, 2009 3:33:52 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > The double transit phenomenon reminds me of Sri KN Rao's words:> > "1. when Saturn blesses and Jupiter gives> 2. when Saturn frowns and Jupiter protects> 3. when Saturn torments and Jupiter withdraws protection> 4. when Saturn and Jupiter combine to destroy."> > On the fatal day Jupiter as moved on to next sign, Cancer, thus shifting the affect of double transit to another house. On this particular day it is to the 6th house from 3rd house [bro]. Four planets including Sun the 7HL for bro and karaka for heart attacks is clustered in this house. Also Sun and Jupiter are closely conjunct.> > Forgot to mention earlier, transit Rahu was afflicting transit Saturn on the fatal day. This too would lead to destroy Saturn's strength. Wouldn't it? Please clarify. > > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Thanks Neelam Ji. That does make sense. Natal Sa is also conjunct 6L Mo, aspected very closely by Mars from the 6H, host of planets transiting the 6H, it all adds up. Post mortem is so much easier .> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:11:31 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > I also wished to take up this point, Jup-Sat transit does show a focus on 3rd house, meaning thereby that house matters would gain focus, but that does not indicate death at all.> > Now check the transits on the fateful day. You'll get your answers. As long as saturn and Jup remained focussed on 3H they protected. The moment they turned their back, the event happened. > > > > You may like to check the char dasha of Vir-Aqu.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/16 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >  > > >Dear Neelam Ji & Renu Ji,> > >> > >Thank you for a Great Quiz and a brilliant prediction by Renu Ji. Would Renu Ji kindly enlighten me on the "why". I had considered Ve-Ju very carefully and interestingly for the very reasons why Renu Ji thought it could happen (double transit of Ju/Sa) I thought it is unlikely. My reasoning was :> > >> > >1.Saturn aspecting its own sign (in Transit), especially its MT sign, would protect it from the Marak Jupiter from inflicting the ultimate damage.> > >> > >2. Jupiter, though a Marak is placed in his own sign in Pisces in the Drekkana chart.> > >> > >I would like to learn why Saturn could not protect. Rahu's affliction is clear and obvious. Natal affliction is clear and obvious. Even after the announcement of result, this still is a mystery to me.> > >> > >Great Job Renu Ji, looking forward to your reasoning.> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Sun, November 15, 2009 11:09:40 AM> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear All,> > >> > >Finally> > >> > >I thank you all once again for participating and special thanks to those who are sitting up to see the results.:-)> > >> > >The younger brother died on 19th July 2002 in the dasha of Ve-Ju-Ra. He died of a sudden cardiac arrest.> > >> > >Renu ji came the closest with Jupiter Antar though she picked up Moon Pratyantar while it was Rahu who struck the blow. This is really commendable. See her message where she had taken Rahu as afflicting moon, but it was Rahu, not moon who killed finally! Congratulations Renu ji. That was wonderful.> > >> > >Renu ji said:> > >//Venus is the 8L for 3HL Saturn, the younger brother. Venus is placed in 3H and there is an exchange between 3HL Sa & 11HL Ve. Jupiter is the maraka 2HL for 3H of younger bro and also placed 2nd to Saturn the 3HL. Moon is the 6HL of sickness to 3H. Moon is in gandantha too. Moon is afflicted by Rahu.> > >The double transit of Sa & Ju is on 3H from lagna during this period indicating some event to do with younger bro.//> > >> > >I would request Renu ji to elaborate her readings and give her detailed analysis.> > >> > >I thank you all for your patience!> > >> > >I am repeating the table here for quick reference.> > >> > >> > >Participants and Answers for AIA QUIZ 3 > > >Posted on 1.11.2009 > > > Name Timing of Event Dasha > > >(as per CPA) > > >1 PL Chakraborty ji 1987July 7 Ke-Ju-Ve > > >2 Vijay Goel ji 1989Jan 89 - Jan 90 Ke-Me > > >3 Bhaskar ji 1993June 93-Sep 93 Ve-Su- > > >4 Gopi ji 1994April-May Ve-Su-Ve > > >5 Sudhir ji 1995 Nov-Dec Ve-Mo-Ve > > >6 K.Gopu ji 1996Feb 15 Ve-Ma-Ma > > >7 Manoj Chandran ji 1998May-June Ve-Ra > > >8 Sunil Jay ji 1999-2000 Ve-Ra > > >9 Renu ji 2002Feb-June Ve-Ju-Mo > > >10 Chandu2Chill ji 2007 October Ve-Me-Ma > > >11 Sundar ji 2008Jun-Aug Ve-Me-Sa > > >12 Amit Desai ji 2008August Ve-Me-Sa > > >13 S.R.Balsubramanian ji 2009August Ve-Ke-Ju > > >14 Dhananjayan ji 2009October Ve-Ke-Sa > > >Regards> > >Neelam> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Manoj Ji, The Stationary movement of Ra/Ke can be easily tracked in Ephemeris. When not under the Stationary influence, Ra / Ke travels around 1 degree in ten days. Please find enclosed the monthly transit file (from 1955 to 2058) which could be used as a reference for this purpose. Stationary effects can be clearly observed during the months when Ra / Ke’s degrees are not changed or changed in fractions comparing with previous month. E.g - You may note the coming Stationary effect of Ra / Ke during dec09, Jan10, feb10 at around 27 degrees. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma 1 of 1 File(s) Monthly transits 1955 to 2058.xls Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Deepakji, Manoj Chandran ji, What could be the effects of a planet going stationary ? Whether Node or any other ? What happens to the effects-significations related to the planet, in the individuals Life, when a particular planet goes stationary and resumes movement once again ? regards/Bhaskar. , deepak sharma <deepak_rptech wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, >  > The Stationary movement of Ra/Ke can be easily tracked in Ephemeris. When not under the Stationary influence, Ra / Ke travels around 1 degree in ten days. >  > Please find enclosed the monthly transit file (from 1955 to 2058) which could be used as a reference for this purpose. Stationary effects can be clearly observed during the months when Ra / Ke’s degrees are not changed or changed in fractions comparing with previous month. >  > E.g - You may note the coming Stationary effect of Ra / Ke during dec09, Jan10, feb10 at around 27 degrees. >  > Warm Regards, > Deepak Sharma > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj > Re: Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 2:09 AM > > >  Dear Deepak Ji, >  > Thank you for your SA perspective. Regarding Rahu/Ketu going stationary, is there a quick way to look for this during the year? The only way I know of is to plug each month into JHora and watch what happens. Is there a quick shot way/tool/website that has this information handy. I completely agree that Rahu/Ketu going stationary can be a critical Transit clue for those using True Nodes. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, November 16, 2009 10:48:14 AM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > >  Dear Neelam Ji / Members, >  > Here is my analysis about the happening of event. > Chart of Younger Brother is considered.  > Birth Details - 11 dec 86 / 11:15 AM > Capricorn Ascendant 29.21 degrees >  > Natal Indications >  > > Natal Rahu afflicts Natal Sun with a very close influence. Difference of only 0.21 degrees may be noted. > Sun rules longevity for native and significator for heart also. Hence the longevity & heart related problems are indicated. > Mars / 4th Lord also not strong enough to give protection for heart troubles. >  > Operating Sub period (at the time of death) >  > Rahu, which is an afflictor to longevity (Sun) of native in this case. >  > Transit Influence >  > > Transit Ra / Ke were stationery since long @ 24 degrees prior to the unfortunate event and creating continous stress on Natal 8L (Sun).  > Transit Ra / Ke influence (again stationery) on Natal Ra / Ke. Closeness was < 2 degrees.  > Collision of 8L and 12L (< 0.2 degree influence). >  > The role of Nodes and Sun were responsible for this event. >  > Warm Regards, > Deepak Sharma >  > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 PM > > >  > > Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome. > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > > > >  > > Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji, > > Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you. > > Warm Regards, > Deepak Sharma > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > >  > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Thanks for illuminating us more on this. > > When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc. > > GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus. > > Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th from MD house Libra. > > Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. > > blessings, > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate dasha > > system. > > > > *Take Char Dasha in this case.* > > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007. > > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of event, it > > is Vir-Aqu. > > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven. > > > > *One can also try Yogini.* > > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to see the > > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear all, Postmartem is very good with authentic data as one can really work his way upoto the event in a natives Life and study the astrological factors which show the cause for same. One can check what has been missed and the mistakes tried not to be done again when similiar case comes before us. Postmartem is also very good for research work when we identify a common happenning and event amongst many individuals and study the common element present in the charts belonging to those individuals. This brings us to creation or discovery of Dictums. Another advantage is that in our busy Lives we personally rarely sit to postmartem events in charts, but on groups due to participatins , this factor is voluntarily and mandatorily imposed. Postmartem BUT , is also very bad fo certian matters. People may unnecessarily co-relate some astrological factors to some event and prove it right . And theres nobody to disapprove it. because in this vast science of astrology one can even connect the rain falling to astrological factors and so can one do with a child falling in a well. Any kaju , Pista and badaam today can do postmartem in astrology without being rejected for his claims. One can in postmartem produce big thesis and write fat books about why this happened when with a particular individual. But this does not mean necessarily that th person may know how to predict. In same way people after connecting a event in postmartem feel very satisfied at having done a good job. But just postmaryem does not make one an astrologer. Can a person who has done a postmartem and then tried to bring out some pointers responsible for the event, use those same pointers to pinpoint the same event in any other natives chart who has experienced same event ? There lies the crux of postmartem. If one can do this then he has done a good postmartem. If one cannot do this, then he is playing and fooling with himself and others reading his postmartem. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 wrote:>> Dear all,> >         Namaste. Post mortem is not that bad. It is necessary as it opens up the various possibilities for finding the reasons of triggering the event . As Neelamji pointed out, it is a critical point that the Lagna Lord is playing a major role of vital authority in the scheme of things. So after solving the quiz, the post quiz discussion allows to emerge so many new concepts in prediction. It is really interesting that the science holds so much from us. The use of alternate dasa system is also another important tool. That is where experience comes into the picture. Neelamji's flourishes made good of her not participating in the event. It is heartening to see the group active and educative.> > With best regards,> S.R.Balsubramaniam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji, Below is my humble opinion - Overall results depend upon the Strength of Natal Planets particularly the strength of sub period lord in operation. Transit effect of Stationary Nodes are always negative. In case, transit Nodes are Stationary and closely aspecting or conjuncting with Natal Planets or ascendant degree, it creates tension related to the significations ruled by those planets in Natal Chart. Orbit of Influence is 5 degrees for weak planets and 1 degree for strong planets. Once the orbit of influence is over in transit, native gets relief from nodal disturbances. Tensions could take the form of Real Troubles if - Sub period Lord is weak in Natal Chart Close affliction of Ra / Ke / Both to the planets in Natal Chart and sub period of Nodes or afflicted planet in operation Other combinations related to the event being checked are also weak / afflicted in transit or in natal chart. For other planets, results depend upon their rulership / lordship in Natal Chart as well as their own significations. So the results may be positive or negative but are felt for a longer duration. Close transit influence with Natal planets / houses brings favorable or unfavorable incidents provided other factors for event being checked are supporting. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 10:19 AM Dear Deepakji, Manoj Chandran ji,What could be the effects of a planet going stationary ? Whether Node orany other ?What happens to the effects-significati ons related to the planet, in theindividuals Life, when a particular planet goes stationary and resumesmovement once again ?regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma<deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:>>>>> Dear Manoj Ji,> Â> The Stationary movement of Ra/Ke can be easily tracked in Ephemeris.When not under the Stationary influence, Ra / Ke travels around 1 degreein ten days.> Â> Please find enclosed the monthly transit file (from 1955 to 2058)which could be used as a reference for this purpose. Stationaryeffects can be clearly observed during the months when Ra /Ke’s degrees are not changed or changed in fractions comparingwith previous month.> Â> E.g - You may note the coming Stationary effect of Ra / Ke duringdec09, Jan10, feb10 at around 27 degrees.> Â> Warm Regards,> Deepak Sharma> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:>>> Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 2:09 AM>>> Â>>>>>>> Dear Deepak Ji,> Â> Thank you for your SA perspective. Regarding Rahu/Ketu goingstationary, is there a quick way to look for this during theyear? The only way I know of is to plug each month into JHora andwatch what happens. Is there a quick shot way/tool/website that has thisinformation handy. I completely agree that Rahu/Ketu going stationarycan be a critical Transit clue for those using True Nodes.> Â> Regards,>  -Manoj> Â>>>>>>> deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Mon, November 16, 2009 10:48:14 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3>> Â>>>>>>> Dear Neelam Ji / Members,Â> Â> Here is my analysis about the happening of event.> Chart of Younger Brother is considered. Â> Birth Details - 11 dec 86 / 11:15 AMÂ> Capricorn Ascendant 29.21 degrees> Â> Natal Indications> Â>> Natal Rahu afflicts Natal Sun with a very close influence. Differenceof only 0.21 degrees may be noted.> Sun rules longevity for native and significator for heart also. Hencethe longevity & heart related problems are indicated.> Mars / 4th Lord also not strong enough to give protection forheart troubles.> Â> Operating Sub period (at the time of death)> Â> Rahu, which is an afflictor to longevity (Sun) of native in this case.> Â> Transit Influence> Â>> Transit Ra / Ke were stationery since long @ 24 degrees prior to theunfortunate event and creating continous stress on Natal 8L (Sun). Â> Transit Ra / Ke influence (again stationery) on Natal Ra / Ke.Closeness was < 2 degrees. Â> Collision of 8L and 12L (< 0.2 degree influence).> Â> The role of Nodes and Sun were responsible for this event.> Â> Warm Regards,> Deepak Sharma> Â>> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:>>> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 PM>>> Â>> Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome.>> Regards> Neelam>>> 2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >>>> Â>>>>>>>>> Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji,>> Could I present this event with a different perspective (based ondegrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you.>> Warm Regards,> Deepak Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:>>>> renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM>>>> Â>> Dear Neelam ji,>> Thanks for illuminating us more on this.>> When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc.>> GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star ofRahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus.>> Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6thfrom MD house Libra.>> Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra.>> blessings,>> Renu>> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternatedasha> > system.> >> > *Take Char Dasha in this case.*> > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007.> > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time ofevent, it> > is Vir-Aqu.> > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven.> >> > *One can also try Yogini.*> > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight tosee the> > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event.> >> > Hope this helps.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Deepak ji, Thanks for the reply. So we have two sets of Stationary Planets to contend with- 1) Stationary planets at birth. 2) Stationary planets in transit. This is actually a very important aspect of astrology as taught by my professors . And is mostly missed by everyone as it takes one to pick up the ephemeris and check the daily motion in order to know this information. Will have to study further whenever time is available. regards/Bhaskar. , deepak sharma <deepak_rptech wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, >  > Below is my humble opinion - >  > Overall results depend upon the Strength of Natal Planets particularly the strength of sub period lord in operation. > > Transit effect of Stationary Nodes are always negative. > In case, transit Nodes are Stationary and closely aspecting or conjuncting with Natal Planets or ascendant degree, it creates tension related to the significations ruled by those planets in Natal Chart. > Orbit of Influence is 5 degrees for weak planets and 1 degree for strong planets. > Once the orbit of influence is over in transit, native gets relief from nodal disturbances.  > Tensions could take the form of Real Troubles if - > > Sub period Lord is weak in Natal Chart > Close affliction of Ra / Ke / Both to the planets in Natal Chart and sub period of Nodes or afflicted planet in operation > Other combinations related to the event being checked are also weak / afflicted in transit or in natal chart. > > For other planets, results depend upon their rulership / lordship in Natal Chart as well as their own significations. So the results may be positive or negative but are felt for a longer duration. Close transit influence with Natal planets / houses brings favorable or unfavorable incidents provided other factors for event being checked are supporting. >  > Warm Regards, > Deepak Sharma > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 10:19 AM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deepakji, Manoj Chandran ji, > > What could be the effects of a planet going stationary ? Whether Node or > any other ? > > What happens to the effects-significati ons related to the planet, in the > individuals Life, when a particular planet goes stationary and resumes > movement once again ? > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma > <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > >  > > The Stationary movement of Ra/Ke can be easily tracked in Ephemeris. > When not under the Stationary influence, Ra / Ke travels around 1 degree > in ten days. > >  > > Please find enclosed the monthly transit file (from 1955 to 2058) > which could be used as a reference for this purpose. Stationary > effects can be clearly observed during the months when Ra / > Ke’s degrees are not changed or changed in fractions comparing > with previous month. > >  > > E.g - You may note the coming Stationary effect of Ra / Ke during > dec09, Jan10, feb10 at around 27 degrees. > >  > > Warm Regards, > > Deepak Sharma > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 2:09 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak Ji, > >  > > Thank you for your SA perspective. Regarding Rahu/Ketu going > stationary, is there a quick way to look for this during the > year? The only way I know of is to plug each month into JHora and > watch what happens. Is there a quick shot way/tool/website that has this > information handy. I completely agree that Rahu/Ketu going stationary > can be a critical Transit clue for those using True Nodes. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Mon, November 16, 2009 10:48:14 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji / Members, > >  > > Here is my analysis about the happening of event. > > Chart of Younger Brother is considered.  > > Birth Details - 11 dec 86 / 11:15 AM > > Capricorn Ascendant 29.21 degrees > >  > > Natal Indications > >  > > > > Natal Rahu afflicts Natal Sun with a very close influence. Difference > of only 0.21 degrees may be noted. > > Sun rules longevity for native and significator for heart also. Hence > the longevity & heart related problems are indicated. > > Mars / 4th Lord also not strong enough to give protection for > heart troubles. > >  > > Operating Sub period (at the time of death) > >  > > Rahu, which is an afflictor to longevity (Sun) of native in this case. > >  > > Transit Influence > >  > > > > Transit Ra / Ke were stationery since long @ 24 degrees prior to the > unfortunate event and creating continous stress on Natal 8L (Sun).  > > Transit Ra / Ke influence (again stationery) on Natal Ra / Ke. > Closeness was < 2 degrees.  > > Collision of 8L and 12L (< 0.2 degree influence). > >  > > The role of Nodes and Sun were responsible for this event. > >  > > Warm Regards, > > Deepak Sharma > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 PM > > > > > >  > > > > Please go ahead Deepak ji. All perspectives are welcome. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/11/16 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji / Renu Ji, > > > > Could I present this event with a different perspective (based on > degrees of planets only), if you / members feel interested. Thank you. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Deepak Sharma > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: AIA Quiz -3 > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > Thanks for illuminating us more on this. > > > > When Chara Dasa applied to native's deceased brother, it was Li/Ca/Sc. > > > > GK Venus is placed in Libra though own house....and in the star of > Rahu placed in the 6th from Dasha Libra and GK Venus. > > > > Ca is the 7th house of the native and lord Mo is placed in the 6th > from MD house Libra. > > > > Scorpio is the 2H from MD, Libra. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is often good to rreaffirm the findings through an alternate > dasha > > > system. > > > > > > *Take Char Dasha in this case.* > > > This boy had been running Virgo dasha from 1999 to 2007. > > > Virgo is 8th rashi from both from 3H and BK Mars. At the time of > event, it > > > is Vir-Aqu. > > > BK Mars in Rashi dasha with MK Ven. > > > > > > *One can also try Yogini.* > > > At the time of event it is dasha chhidra of Ra-Ve. Go straight to > see the > > > placement of Ve-Ra in Dreshkan which shows the event. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,// Role of LL is important for any major event to happen.//yes i also did not look to jup being L/4L as i have mentioned in my post to Manoj ji and instead looked sun as a killer since he was posited in 2ndH of maraka which is also 12H of loss to 3rd(example below).But missed that sun is 9thL(protector/preceptor) I got a chart with tauras lagna who lost his youngest brother sudddenly on 26-10-07 in MER-VEN-SAT.Mer as 2nd L in 3rd with sun4;Ven L/L(6) in 2nd H of maraka and sat® being YK in 7th(though powerful in 7th) with Rahu became a killer aswell by positioning in 7th and ofcourse with the association of a Rahu. There is anexchange betw sat & mars betwen 7/10H with Mars and MO(3rdL) in 10th. Here also L/L became vital by being bhukti lord and posited in 2nd aswell.......D.O.B......26-7-1956T.OB....02HRSP.O.B.......HYDERABADRegards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> //I was unable to insert Jupiter in between//> > I am giving another similar case. This boy also lost his younger brother to> sudden death. Role of LL is important for any major event to happen.> > BT: 28.11.1962/1.45/Rohtak, Haryana (virgo lagna)> > Lost his brother on 17.10.1967 in te dasha of Me-Su-Ve> This person also has an exchange of 3/11 lords. It was the dasha of LL in> 3H. Sun is the 12L in 3H. Venus is 7/12 lord from 3H.> > Regards> Neelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji, I agree with you. PC / laptop users can keep the soft copy of Ephemeris if they find it useful. Even I do the same. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 12:00 PM Dear Deepak ji,Thanks for the reply.So we have two sets of Stationary Planets to contend with-1) Stationary planets at birth.2) Stationary planets in transit.This is actually a very important aspect of astrology as taught by myprofessors . And is mostly missed by everyone as it takes one to pickup the ephemeris and check the daily motion in order to know thisinformation.Will have to study further whenever time is available.regards/Bhaskar.--- I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Dear All,I find the options in Parashar software friendly in this regard. it allows the user to customise the windows and how we want to view the information. The speed option is available and changes with time are easy to maneuver on the main screen itself. I am attaching a section of the mainscreen for reference. RegardsNeelam2009/11/17 deepak sharma <deepak_rptech Dear Bhaskar Ji, I agree with you. PC / laptop users can keep the soft copy of Ephemeris if they find it useful. Even I do the same. Warm Regards, Deepak Sharma--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: AIA Quiz -3 Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 12:00 PM Dear Deepak ji,Thanks for the reply.So we have two sets of Stationary Planets to contend with-1) Stationary planets at birth.2) Stationary planets in transit.This is actually a very important aspect of astrology as taught by my professors . And is mostly missed by everyone as it takes one to pickup the ephemeris and check the daily motion in order to know thisinformation.Will have to study further whenever time is available. regards/Bhaskar.--- I 1 of 1 Photo(s) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
