Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!

October 13, 2009

Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad

Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor

she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's

life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate,

they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health.

The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of

opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th

house is receiving.

Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th house

3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both.

4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.

Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death,

death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).

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Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully

protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times

partly distruction too, there are riders !!

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Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives

immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very

simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter.

controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th

house.

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what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving

Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of

mars also.

Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a

suppliment will give required clarity.

***********************************************

Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other

analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage

is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!

Utkal.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mouji Sahab,

>

> This is a very good example, beautifully presented and explained well

> about the importance of looking at Varga, and the missing links if just

> adjudged from the Natal Chart.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , Manoj Kumar

> <mouji99@> wrote:

> >

> > Neelam ji,

> >

> > I am giving below an example by taking the case of Smt. Indira Gandhi.

> The time and details, I am using are as under 19-11-1917, Allahabad,

> 23.09 hours. This horoscope is of Cancer Lagna and has been used widely.

> >

> > i. Â Â Â Marriage. In Birth chart, Saturn, Seventh Lord is

> aspecting Seventh house so should have logically protected her marriage.

> But what was her marriage, we all know. Now go to navamsha. Seventh lord

> Mercury in the eighth house with Eighth lord and aspected by Saturn, the

> twelfth lord.

> >

> > ii.Â Â Â Tenth House : Tenth and Fifth Lord Mars in the

> second house. In Dashamsha, tenth lord Sun is in tenth house. And now

> see the beauty, this tenth lord is aspected by Mars, sixth lord,

> signifying controversies and tussles in her career. Notice the

> importance of aspect as it is coming from third house.

> >

> > iii. Â Â Â Children : Birth Chart, fifth lord Mars is

> aspecting fifth house and in Saptamsha, fifth lord is again Mars, placed

> in the fifth house. Now comes the beauty. In both charts, Fifth house

> makes a connection with the second house. Any indications there?

> >

> > Just three aspects for the present.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > MoujiÂ

>

October 14, 2009

Dear Utkal ji,

Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate, they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health. The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th house is receiving.Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.

()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going by your logic, marriage of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960, when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after 1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same Sanatorium where her mother died and she also sufferred from the same disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze that she married him. Anyway,

this is a subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my view. Venus associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze, Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir. Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death, death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).

()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second house or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.************ ********* ********* ********* ***Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times partly distruction too, there are riders !!

()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do let us know the riders.************ ********* ********* ********* ****Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter. controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th house.

)())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs in one's career.

************ ********* ********* ********* *****what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of mars also.

)())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house is said to give "alpa santan".

Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a suppliment will give required clarity.

()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we would fail at times because we are all humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in Check.

************ ********* ********* ********* ********Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!)()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly. There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please do enlighten us.

Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called "astrologythe logic of stars". Your views are welcome and if you find anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of discussion for the sake of learning.

regards,

Mouji

October 14, 2009

Dear Mouji ji,//Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they

are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the

subject called "astrologythe logic of stars".//good post indeed.Specially i liked the above and agree with you totally.Love and regards,gopi. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate, they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health. > > The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th house is receiving.> > Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.> > ()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going by your logic, marriage of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960, when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after 1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same Sanatorium where her mother died and she also sufferred from the same disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze that she married him. Anyway, this is a> subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my view. Venus associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze, Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir. > > Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death, death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).> > ()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second house or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.> ************ ********* ********* ********* ***> > Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times partly distruction too, there are riders !!> > ()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do let us know the riders.> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ****> > Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter. controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th house.> > )())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs in one's career. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* *****> > what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of mars also.> > )())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house is said to give "alpa santan".> > Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a suppliment will give required clarity.> > ()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we would fail at times because we are all humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in Check. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********> > Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!> )()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly. There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please do enlighten us. > > Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called "astrologythe logic of stars". Your views are welcome and if you find anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of discussion for the sake of learning.> > regards,> > Mouji>

October 14, 2009

you couldn't understand what i hve written, read again,

you also need to understand, mahadasha doesn't decide every thing, planet's

antar/pratyantar/sukschhma the whole hierarchy coupled with transit decides

fate.

I said aspects need further understanding, if you know it you wont raise

elementary questions like that,

Why are there 100s of horoscope ? There might be 1000s of horoscopes that you wd

not have understood becoz u lack basic understanding of functioning of astpects.

If every thing remains same, there are same results, why confusion over that ?

You need to understand history also, they were not seperated like divorced, a

wrong study wants to make history wrong, nothing new.

Utkal.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

>

> Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad

Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor

she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's

life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate,

they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health.

>

> The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of

opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th

house is receiving.

>

> Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th

house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup

aspects 7'th house.

>

> ()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going

by your logic, marriage of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because

Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh

house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is

either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only

survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running

dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960,

when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after

1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after

her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same

Sanatorium where her mother died and she also sufferred from the same

disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze

that she married him. Anyway, this is a

> subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my

view. Venus associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze,

Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir.

>

> Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death,

death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).

>

> ()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other

side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen

her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills

her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had

no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second house

or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ***

>

> Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully

protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times

partly distruction too, there are riders !!

>

> ()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends

when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the

marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their

possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do

let us know the riders.

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ****

>

> Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart,

gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology

is very simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter.

controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th

house.

>

> )())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts

where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs in one's career.

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* *****

>

> what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving

Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of

mars also.

>

> )())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also

aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own

house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her

children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house

is said to give " alpa santan " .

>

> Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a

suppliment will give required clarity.

>

> ()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others

have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional

charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we would fail at times because we are all

humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in

Check.

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********

>

> Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other

analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage

is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!

> )()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it

applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly.

There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use

at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely

the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables

for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please

do enlighten us.

>

> Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they are done

with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called

" astrology " " the logic of stars " . Your views are welcome and if you find

anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of

discussion for the sake of learning.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

October 14, 2009

Yes. They were not divorced and their married life is known to everyone in India.

Dont revolve in circles dear Utkal ji. If I say Mahadasha, I undestand what the whole gamut of Dasha means including Dasha Adhyayi or Krishneeyam or for that matter about the available texts and also aspectual yogas which are given only in one book.

Now will you please enlighten us about aspects that presumably I do not know. And while explaining please also tell us about the special aspects given to Mars, Jupiter and Saturn and why no aspects are considered 30 degrees ahead and 60 degrees behind in Shadbala.

Eagerly awaiting for knowledge, Dear Utkal ji.

best regards,

Mouji

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 12:35:27 PM Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!

you couldn't understand what i hve written, read again,you also need to understand, mahadasha doesn't decide every thing, planet's antar/pratyantar/ sukschhma the whole hierarchy coupled with transit decides fate.I said aspects need further understanding, if you know it you wont raise elementary questions like that, Why are there 100s of horoscope ? There might be 1000s of horoscopes that you wd not have understood becoz u lack basic understanding of functioning of astpects. If every thing remains same, there are same results, why confusion over that ? You need to understand history also, they were not seperated like divorced, a wrong study wants to make history wrong, nothing new.Utkal.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate, they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health. > > The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th house is receiving.> > Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.> > ()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going by your logic, marriage

of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960, when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after 1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same Sanatorium where her mother died and she also sufferred from the same disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze that she married him. Anyway, this is a> subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my view. Venus

associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze, Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir. > > Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death, death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).> > ()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second house or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.> ************ ********* ********* ********* ***> > Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully protect the promise of the house , sometimes

partly protection, some times partly distruction too, there are riders !!> > ()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do let us know the riders.> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ****> > Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter. controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th house.> > )())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs

in one's career. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* *****> > what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of mars also.> > )())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house is said to give "alpa santan".> > Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a suppliment will give required clarity.> > ()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we

would fail at times because we are all humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in Check. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********> > Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!> )()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly. There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please do enlighten us. > > Debates help us in clearing our

doubts and misgivings, provided they are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called "astrologythe logic of stars". Your views are welcome and if you find anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of discussion for the sake of learning.> > regards,> > Mouji>

October 14, 2009

Dear Manoj,

I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root cause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give it a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at a point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve w'd get longer and lengthy.

I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.

I do not understand why you should repeatedly write "What was Indira Ji's marriage, known to all", I m not sure what are rumors spread over there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in allahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi, but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independent spirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election, Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruption of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya, Goenka etc, then finance minister TTK had to resign, this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt. Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home, Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time rumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs as a period of differences between them, however, they were still united, marriage was existing with differences.

When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living with him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart attack in 1960.

I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the facts, bickerings, differences but united after a time.

Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a scary picture of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebrated astrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained devoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ? Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna to understand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction.

Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's advisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has listed effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of planets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, sign and house of placement etc.

Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in natural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th house in Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with Jup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than 11'th house friendship.

During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the one hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created, Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers institutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions got additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a secondary tool like D charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it along with transit of planets.

I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like special effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks boring, I m not interested.

regards,Utkal.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Yes. They were not divorced and their married life is known to everyone in India. > > Dont revolve in circles dear Utkal ji. If I say Mahadasha, I undestand what the whole gamut of Dasha means including Dasha Adhyayi or Krishneeyam or for that matter about the available texts and also aspectual yogas which are given only in one book.> > Now will you please enlighten us about aspects that presumably I do not know. And while explaining please also tell us about the special aspects given to Mars, Jupiter and Saturn and why no aspects are considered 30 degrees ahead and 60 degrees behind in Shadbala.> > Eagerly awaiting for knowledge, Dear Utkal ji.> > best regards,> > Mouji> > > > > ________________________________> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > Wed, October 14, 2009 12:35:27 PM> Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!> > > you couldn't understand what i hve written, read again,> > you also need to understand, mahadasha doesn't decide every thing, planet's antar/pratyantar/ sukschhma the whole hierarchy coupled with transit decides fate.> > I said aspects need further understanding, if you know it you wont raise elementary questions like that, > > Why are there 100s of horoscope ? There might be 1000s of horoscopes that you wd not have understood becoz u lack basic understanding of functioning of astpects. > > If every thing remains same, there are same results, why confusion over that ? > > You need to understand history also, they were not seperated like divorced, a wrong study wants to make history wrong, nothing new.> > Utkal.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Utkal ji,> > > > Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate, they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health. > > > > The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th house is receiving.> > > > Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects 7'th house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.> > > > ()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going by your logic, marriage of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960, when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after 1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same Sanatorium where her mother died and she also sufferred from the same disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze that she married him. Anyway, this is a> > subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my view. Venus associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze, Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir. > > > > Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death, death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).> > > > ()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second house or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ***> > > > Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times partly distruction too, there are riders !!> > > > ()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do let us know the riders.> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ****> > > > Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter. controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th house.> > > > )())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs in one's career. > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* *****> > > > what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of mars also.> > > > )())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house is said to give "alpa santan".> > > > Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a suppliment will give required clarity.> > > > ()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we would fail at times because we are all humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in Check. > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********> > > > Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!> > )()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly. There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please do enlighten us. > > > > Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called "astrologythe logic of stars". Your views are welcome and if you find anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of discussion for the sake of learning.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji> >>

October 14, 2009

Dear Utkal Ji,

This is a different Manoj asking you a question, sorry for any confusion, but the following line in your email to Mouji Ji caught my attention:

// I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.//

It is my understanding as well that a Planet aspecting its own house does protect the house (in a manner and shape as allowed by its Karakatwa). Please elaborate if it is an erroneous understanding (as you seem to imply). If you have examples to go with this, it would be even better for my understanding.

Regards,

-Manoj Chandran

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 11:23:06 AM Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!

Dear Manoj,

I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root cause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give it a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at a point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve w'd get longer and lengthy.

I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.

I do not understand why you should repeatedly write "What was Indira Ji's marriage, known to all", I m not sure what are rumors spread over there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in allahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi, but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independent spirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election, Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruption of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya, Goenka etc, then finance minister TTK had to resign, this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt. Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home, Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time rumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs as a period of differences between them, however, they were still united, marriage was existing with

differences.

When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living with him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart attack in 1960.

I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the facts, bickerings, differences but united after a time.

Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a scary picture of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebrated astrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained devoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ? Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna to understand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction.

Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's advisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has listed effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of planets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, sign and house of placement etc.

Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in natural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th house in Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with Jup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than 11'th house friendship.

During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the one hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created, Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers institutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions got additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a secondary tool like D charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it along with transit of planets.

I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like special effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks boring, I m not interested.

regards,Utkal.

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Yes. They were not divorced and their married life is known to everyone in India. > > Dont revolve in circles dear Utkal ji. If I say Mahadasha, I undestand what the whole gamut of Dasha means including Dasha Adhyayi or Krishneeyam or for that matter about the available texts and also aspectual yogas which are given only in one book.> > Now will you please enlighten us about aspects that presumably I do not know. And while explaining please also tell us about the special aspects given to Mars, Jupiter and Saturn and why no aspects are considered 30 degrees ahead and 60 degrees behind in Shadbala.> > Eagerly awaiting for knowledge, Dear Utkal ji.> > best regards,> > Mouji> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __>

utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, October 14, 2009 12:35:27 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Indira PriyaDarshini' s Life and Chart !!> > > you couldn't understand what i hve written, read again,> > you also need to understand, mahadasha doesn't decide every thing, planet's antar/pratyantar/ sukschhma the whole hierarchy coupled with transit decides fate.> > I said aspects need further understanding, if you know it you wont raise elementary questions like that, > > Why are there 100s of horoscope ? There might be 1000s of horoscopes that you wd not have understood becoz u lack basic understanding of functioning of astpects. > > If every thing remains same, there are same results, why confusion over that ? > > You need to understand history also, they were not

seperated like divorced, a wrong study wants to make history wrong, nothing new.> > Utkal.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Utkal ji,> > > > Definitely, Navamsa has a say but not beyond lagna chart, Pls note, A very bad Navamsa had not very badly impacted her marriage, she was neither divorced nor she had a 2nd marriage, instead, this was a love marriage which completed it's life, Remember, Indira took Feroz to Kashmir when his health got deteriorate, they lived there for a long time, so that he can regain his health. > > > > The crucial point is to understand aspects - bickerings and difference of opinion among this couple is there, Let's read the quality of aspects, that 7'th house is receiving.> > > > Let's not forget - 1. Saturn aspects 7'th house 2. 8'th lord aspects

7'th house 3. Saturn and 8'th lord aspects 7'th house and Moon both. 4. 6'th lord Jup aspects 7'th house.> > > > ()()() Atleast you showed some strength by answering to the mail. Now. Going by your logic, marriage of all Cancer Lagna people should be failing because Saturn would become the 8th lord more so if it comes to lagna or aspects seventh house from any other place. I can give you hundreds of charts where Saturn is either aspecting 7th house or is placed in 7th house, and marriage not only survives but is happy also. Moreover my dear, Ms. Indira Gandhi was not running dasha of Saturn also during her years of marriage which ended in Sept. 1960, when Feroze died and they remained separated from each other some time after 1947 till the death of Feroze. She married Feroze because Feroze looked after her on the directions of Pandit Nehru when Indira was admitted in the same Sanatorium where her mother died and she also

sufferred from the same disease. So it was more in resentment towards her family than love for Feroze that she married him. Anyway, this is a> > subjective matter on which everyone is free to hold his views. This is my view. Venus associated with Rahu shall have nothing to do with marrying Feroze, Mr. Utkal. Jupiter's aspect is always a Saving Grace, Sir. > > > > Then Jup is 9'th (bhagya) lord also so marriage lasted till partner's death, death is written by Mars's aspect to 8'th house (Mangalya Sthan).> > > > ()()()() On one side you use Jupiter as spoiler of marriage and on the other side you use him as sustainer of marriage. Yes, Mars is a killer. Have you seen her Shastiamsha, where Saturn as Second Lord assumes Markatwa and Saturn kills her in its dasha. Rahu is the antar dasha lord when she was killed and Mars had no role in the dasha. I am not disputing the fact that Mars in the second

house or its relation with 8th house tends to give a violent death.> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ***> > > > Saturn's aspect to a house, where it's own sign falls, doesn't always fully protect the promise of the house , sometimes partly protection, some times partly distruction too, there are riders !!> > > > ()()()() Please explain using examples. I can show you many charts my friends when Saturn in the 7th got a person married at quite an young age and the marrige lasted too. Friends on the Forum may have many charts in their possession about the above and they can also put forward such charts. Please do let us know the riders.> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ****> > > > Yoga for her to become a PM, Saturn - Moon - Jup's configuration in chart, gives immense support from under privilages, One must read Sarawali, Astrology is very

simple and straight forward, if we learn and unlearn, keeping a filter. controversies and ups's and downs are seen by Saturn's aspect in her 10'th house.> > > > )())()() I will request friends on the forum to please put forward charts where Saturn aspects 10th house and there are ups and downs in one's career. > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* *****> > > > what gave her great sons like rajiv or sanjay, look at Sun in 5'th receiving Jup's aspect, What killed them untimely, Look at 5'th, it receives aspect of mars also.> > > > )())()()( Mr. Utkal, Mars is aspecting its own house, just like Saturn is also aspecting its own house. As far as I understand, any planet aspecting its own house has to protect the signification of its house and so Mars had to give her children, not Sun and Jupiter. Otherwise also my friend, Sun in the fifth house is said to give "alpa

santan".> > > > Have doubts, Needs more clarity - Now, Pls, have a look at D charts, a suppliment will give required clarity.> > > > ()()()() Yes, now you come to the point. This is what Neelam ji and others have been trying to say. Blend the indications of Birth Chart and divisional charts for clarity. Offcourse, still we would fail at times because we are all humans. And as humans, we should FAIL at times to help and keep our BIG EGOs in Check. > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********> > > > Anybody who gives so much importance to D charts like given in the other analysis, will misinterprete either life or chart, the way Indira ji's marriage is misinterpreted, It was a known case either !!> > )()()() Here I would suggest you please try some conditional dasha if it applies on her chart. Parashara has not given 47 nakshatra dashas needlessly.

There is a use of each and every dasha, though we may not be aware of their use at present because of our limited knowledge and less study and this is precisely the reason that we look to our Seniors and Elders and Teachers and Knowledgables for knowledge. I am sure, you must have done some research here too, so please do enlighten us. > > > > Debates help us in clearing our doubts and misgivings, provided they are done with a sense of honesty, sincereity and devotion of the subject called "astrologythe logic of stars". Your views are welcome and if you find anything offending here, dont take it to heart because it is only a matter of discussion for the sake of learning.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji> >>

October 15, 2009

Dear Manoj,

I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root cause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give it a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at a point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve w'd get longer and lengthy.

)()( Dear Sir, I am a poor government servant so no energy and resources, because like brahmins, in India government servants are always regarded as poor, and brahmins since eternity are addressed as, "ek daridra brahmin tha", never you would have read, "ek dhani brahmin tha".

I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.

()()() I am not believing in anything except the statement in Classical Astrological Books that a planet placed in its own bhava or aspecting its own bhava protects that bhava. Correct me if I am wrong.

I do not understand why you should repeatedly write "What was Indira Ji's marriage, known to all", I m not sure what are rumors spread over there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in allahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi, but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independent spirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election, Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruption of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya, Goenka etc, then finance minister TTK had to resign, this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt. Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home, Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time rumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs as a

period of differences between them, however, they were still united, marriage was existing with differences.

When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living with him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart attack in 1960.

I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the facts, bickerings, differences but united after a time.

)()()() That I already wrote in my mail, is a subjective matter and everyone would react in its own way. So no replies.

Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a scary picture of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebrated astrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained devoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ? Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna to understand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction. Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's advisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has listed effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of planets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, sign and house of placement etc.

)()(()() First you say, I lack the will and knowledge and then you come up with the bookish theories that even a beginner of astrology is aware of. Kindly elaborate.

Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in natural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th house in Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with Jup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than 11'th house friendship.

)()()()() Please do clarify between third house friendship and sixth house friendship. Readers would enjoy. In your initial mail you had explained it only on the basis of Saturn/Moon/Jupiter and when I pointed out Venus/Rahu, now you bring it in. Please lets be sincere.

During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the one hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created, Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers institutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions got additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a secondary tool like D charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it along with transit of planets.

()()()() : You are totally wrong my dear. Conditional dashas, when applicable on a chart, become the primary dasha. Like Mantreshwara says, there are many lagnas to watch transit but transit is mainly seen from Moon, so parashara gives these conditional dashas with specific conditions to be applied on each chart. Have you ever tried them? Please answer honestly. Second, transits are always subservient to dashas. Otherwise, every fifth year, seventh year, 9th year, a person would get married because Jupiter will be aspecting his seventh house, i am not including seventh lord here which may make a person get married every other year.

I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like special effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks boring, I m not interested.

()()() Are you really not interested. Please be clear, or there is some lack of understanding. Yes, I am a student of Science, so dont accept things easily as much as I dont deny things also which have applicability. But I really do not want that young seekers of this great knowledge get corrupted because of the kind of information being thrown at them. A kumbha lagna person should always be tall 5/10 or 6. How absurd can astrology get if it goes to such hands? Please take time to answer these very basic questions of an inquisitive mind.

Best wishes again,

Mouji

regards,Utkal.

October 15, 2009

Dear Manoj,

Pls dont take me wrong, i wd never say that you don't hve knowledge, you have,

bt, somewhere some refinement and exposure is required, i m limited to that

only, i m sorry for your's not feeling good.

Seems, you read mails speedily, Pls recall, I had said sat-moon-jup combination

made her PM from huge support from under privilages (and poor), written in

sarawali, This is not connected with her love marriage, venus - rahu is

conneted.

In another discussion, learned members already suggested that in the old days

medium of learning was oral, explanations were the responsibility of teacher,

same is my opinion, so, that what you said that you wont accept anything not

written in classics, should review, we too follow and regard our classics and

sages.

With correct fundamentals, astrology is simple and straightforward.

Then, It's a joy using astrology to read self and world.

Utkal.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj,

> I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root cause of

your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give it a way to

enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at a point wherefrom

you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve w'd get longer and lengthy.

>

> )()( Dear Sir, I am a poor government servant so no energy and resources,

because like brahmins, in India government servants are always regarded as poor,

and brahmins since eternity are addressed as, " ek daridra brahmin tha " , never

you would have read, " ek dhani brahmin tha " .

> * I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of

an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign

falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.

> ()()() I am not believing in anything except the statement in Classical

Astrological Books that a planet placed in its own bhava or aspecting its own

bhava protects that bhava. Correct me if I am wrong.

> * I do not understand why you should repeatedly write " What was Indira Ji's

marriage, known to all " , I m not sure what are rumors spread over there (delhi)

on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in allahabad even after Nehru

became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi, but there was a cordial

relationship, Feroz was a man of independent spirit, Indira campaigned for him

in 1952 in RaiBareilly election, Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a

campaign against corruption of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya,

Goenka etc, then finance minister TTK had to resign, this was an

embarrassment to Nehru Govt.

>

> Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home, Indira used

to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time rumors of their

seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs as a period of

differences between them, however, they were still united, marriage was existing

with differences.

> When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living with him,

took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart attack in 1960.

> * I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the facts,

bickerings, differences but united after a time.

> *

> )()()() That I already wrote in my mail, is a subjective matter and everyone

would react in its own way. So no replies.

>

> * Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a scary picture

of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebrated astrologers have

conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained devoted to Indira, how do you

see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ? Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One

has to refer back to Lagna to understand a chart or prediction will go to

unknown direction.

> * Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's advisable to

miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has listed effects of dasha

hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of planets, listed results can be

modified as per lordship and aspect, sign and house of placement etc.

> *

> )()(()() First you say, I lack the will and knowledge and then you come up

with the bookish theories that even a beginner of astrology is aware of. Kindly

elaborate.

>

> * Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in natural

karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th house in Dhanu, Such a

venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with Jup in 11'th house of

friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than 11'th house friendship.

> *

> )()()()() Please do clarify between third house friendship and sixth house

friendship. Readers would enjoy. In your initial mail you had explained it only

on the basis of Saturn/Moon/Jupiter and when I pointed out Venus/Rahu, now you

bring it in. Please lets be sincere.

>

> * During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the one hand

few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created, Conditional

dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers institutionalized study of

astrology, less popular propositions got additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha

is also a secondary tool like D charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability

if one applies it along with transit of planets.

>

> ()()()() : You are totally wrong my dear. Conditional dashas, when applicable

on a chart, become the primary dasha. Like Mantreshwara says, there are many

lagnas to watch transit but transit is mainly seen from Moon, so parashara gives

these conditional dashas with specific conditions to be applied on each chart.

Have you ever tried them? Please answer honestly. Second, transits are always

subservient to dashas. Otherwise, every fifth year, seventh year, 9th year, a

person would get married because Jupiter will be aspecting his seventh house, i

am not including seventh lord here which may make a person get married every

other year.

> * I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like special

effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks boring, I m not

interested.

> ()()() Are you really not interested. Please be clear, or there is some lack

of understanding. Yes, I am a student of Science, so dont accept things easily

as much as I dont deny things also which have applicability. But I really do not

want that young seekers of this great knowledge get corrupted because of the

kind of information being thrown at them. A kumbha lagna person should always be

tall 5/10 or 6. How absurd can astrology get if it goes to such hands? Please

take time to answer these very basic questions of an inquisitive mind.

>

> Best wishes again,

>

> Mouji

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

October 15, 2009

Dear Utkal Ji,

I am reproducing below what I had said, "Yes, I am a student of Science, so dont accept things easily as much as I dont deny things also which have applicability." What it means is that I dont accept anything without testing it.

And please note, not only for now, but for future also, there is no resentment in anything, in me or in my writings. I try to get to the root of a thing, thats my weakness or problem.

best wishes,

Mouji

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 3:34:21 PM Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!

Dear Manoj,Pls dont take me wrong, i wd never say that you don't hve knowledge, you have, bt, somewhere some refinement and exposure is required, i m limited to that only, i m sorry for your's not feeling good.Seems, you read mails speedily, Pls recall, I had said sat-moon-jup combination made her PM from huge support from under privilages (and poor), written in sarawali, This is not connected with her love marriage, venus - rahu is conneted.In another discussion, learned members already suggested that in the old days medium of learning was oral, explanations were the responsibility of teacher, same is my opinion, so, that what you said that you wont accept anything not written in classics, should review, we too follow and regard our classics and sages.With correct fundamentals, astrology is simple and straightforward. Then, It's a joy using astrology to read self and world. Utkal.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Manoj,> I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root cause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give it a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at a point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve w'd get longer and lengthy.> > )()( Dear Sir, I am a poor government servant so no energy and resources, because like brahmins, in India government servants are always regarded as poor, and brahmins since eternity are addressed as, "ek daridra brahmin tha", never you would have read, "ek dhani brahmin tha".> * I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because

of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.> ()()() I am not believing in anything except the statement in Classical Astrological Books that a planet placed in its own bhava or aspecting its own bhava protects that bhava. Correct me if I am wrong.> * I do not understand why you should repeatedly write "What was Indira Ji's marriage, known to all", I m not sure what are rumors spread over there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in allahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi, but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independent spirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election, Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruption of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya, Goenka etc, then finance minister TTK had to resign,

this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt. > > Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home, Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time rumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs as a period of differences between them, however, they were still united, marriage was existing with differences.> When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living with him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart attack in 1960.> * I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the facts, bickerings, differences but united after a time. > * > )()()() That I already wrote in my mail, is a subjective matter and everyone would react in its own way. So no replies.> > * Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a scary picture of her marriage which

is not a reality, Most celebrated astrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained devoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ? Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna to understand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction. > * Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's advisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has listed effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of planets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, sign and house of placement etc. > * > )()(()() First you say, I lack the will and knowledge and then you come up with the bookish theories that even a beginner of astrology is aware of. Kindly elaborate.> > * Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in natural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in

6'th house in Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with Jup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than 11'th house friendship. > * > )()()()() Please do clarify between third house friendship and sixth house friendship. Readers would enjoy. In your initial mail you had explained it only on the basis of Saturn/Moon/ Jupiter and when I pointed out Venus/Rahu, now you bring it in. Please lets be sincere.> > * During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the one hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created, Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers institutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions got additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a secondary tool like D charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it along with transit of planets.> > ()()()() : You are

totally wrong my dear. Conditional dashas, when applicable on a chart, become the primary dasha. Like Mantreshwara says, there are many lagnas to watch transit but transit is mainly seen from Moon, so parashara gives these conditional dashas with specific conditions to be applied on each chart. Have you ever tried them? Please answer honestly. Second, transits are always subservient to dashas. Otherwise, every fifth year, seventh year, 9th year, a person would get married because Jupiter will be aspecting his seventh house, i am not including seventh lord here which may make a person get married every other year.> * I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like special effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks boring, I m not interested.> ()()() Are you really not interested. Please be clear, or there is some lack of understanding. Yes, I am a student of Science, so dont accept things easily as much as I

dont deny things also which have applicability. But I really do not want that young seekers of this great knowledge get corrupted because of the kind of information being thrown at them. A kumbha lagna person should always be tall 5/10 or 6. How absurd can astrology get if it goes to such hands? Please take time to answer these very basic questions of an inquisitive mind.> > Best wishes again,> > Mouji> > regards,> Utkal. >

October 15, 2009

Dear Friends,

Let me put you on a new track, where you can be comrades and partners in

journey, rather than detractors.

All talk on theories means nothing. Explanations, arguments, big

theories, big essays, big advices, judgmental expert opinions, thesis,

compositions, postmartem analysis, each trying to teach another, all

becoming Masters and not liking to be in seat of student---------- All

this means nothing.

No one has learnt astrology in full till date, in the world.

Teach us small students how to -

1) Predict date of marriage to a native.

2) Predict when a native will get a job.

3) Predict when will native achieve Bhagyodaya.

4) When he will enter in anew business, and what .

5) When will he shift to a new office or home - and how to

differentiate.

6) When will he acquire a new house o vehicle - and how to

differentiate.

7) When will he acquire good gains of money.

8) When will he get results of Vipareeta or Neechbhanga Raj Yoga.

Teach us all above day to day astrology, for the common man, without

quoting shlokas, but with use of simple astrology and illustrations.

Okay I will not trouble you, just teach me only how to predict the date

of marriage to the nearest month. And show a method which can work on

90% of the Horoscopes. Show and teach us this with simple astrology.

Any talk other than above, is bakwaas astrology.

Your responses please.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Pls dont take me wrong, i wd never say that you don't hve knowledge,

you have, bt, somewhere some refinement and exposure is required, i m

limited to that only, i m sorry for your's not feeling good.

>

> Seems, you read mails speedily, Pls recall, I had said sat-moon-jup

combination made her PM from huge support from under privilages (and

poor), written in sarawali, This is not connected with her love

marriage, venus - rahu is conneted.

>

> In another discussion, learned members already suggested that in the

old days medium of learning was oral, explanations were the

responsibility of teacher, same is my opinion, so, that what you said

that you wont accept anything not written in classics, should review, we

too follow and regard our classics and sages.

>

> With correct fundamentals, astrology is simple and straightforward.

>

> Then, It's a joy using astrology to read self and world.

>

> Utkal.

>

> , Manoj Kumar mouji99@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj,

> > I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand root

cause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, give

it a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached at

a point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curve

w'd get longer and lengthy.

> >

> > )()( Dear Sir, I am a poor government servant so no energy and

resources, because like brahmins, in India government servants are

always regarded as poor, and brahmins since eternity are addressed as,

" ek daridra brahmin tha " , never you would have read, " ek dhani brahmin

tha " .

> > * I understood, core of problem that you are facing is because of

an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it's

sign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.

> > ()()() I am not believing in anything except the statement in

Classical Astrological Books that a planet placed in its own bhava or

aspecting its own bhava protects that bhava. Correct me if I am wrong.

> > * I do not understand why you should repeatedly write " What was

Indira Ji's marriage, known to all " , I m not sure what are rumors spread

over there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz in

allahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi,

but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independent

spirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election,

Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruption

of some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya, Goenka etc, then finance

minister TTK had to resign, this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt.

> >

> > Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home,

Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the time

rumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrs

as a period of differences between them, however, they were still

united, marriage was existing with differences.

> > When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started living

with him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heart

attack in 1960.

> > * I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of the

facts, bickerings, differences but united after a time.

> > *

> > )()()() That I already wrote in my mail, is a subjective matter and

everyone would react in its own way. So no replies.

> >

> > * Navamsa or any D chart, if considered independently, makes a

scary picture of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebrated

astrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remained

devoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ?

Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna to

understand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction.

> > * Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It's

advisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara has

listed effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's of

planets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, sign

and house of placement etc.

> > *

> > )()(()() First you say, I lack the will and knowledge and then you

come up with the bookish theories that even a beginner of astrology is

aware of. Kindly elaborate.

> >

> > * Why it was a trans religion love marriage, answer is hidden in

natural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th house

in Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange with

Jup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than

11'th house friendship.

> > *

> > )()()()() Please do clarify between third house friendship and sixth

house friendship. Readers would enjoy. In your initial mail you had

explained it only on the basis of Saturn/Moon/Jupiter and when I pointed

out Venus/Rahu, now you bring it in. Please lets be sincere.

> >

> > * During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on the

one hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created,

Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologers

institutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions got

additional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a secondary tool like D

charts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it along

with transit of planets.

> >

> > ()()()() : You are totally wrong my dear. Conditional dashas, when

applicable on a chart, become the primary dasha. Like Mantreshwara says,

there are many lagnas to watch transit but transit is mainly seen from

Moon, so parashara gives these conditional dashas with specific

conditions to be applied on each chart. Have you ever tried them? Please

answer honestly. Second, transits are always subservient to dashas.

Otherwise, every fifth year, seventh year, 9th year, a person would get

married because Jupiter will be aspecting his seventh house, i am not

including seventh lord here which may make a person get married every

other year.

> > * I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries like

special effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama looks

boring, I m not interested.

> > ()()() Are you really not interested. Please be clear, or there is

some lack of understanding. Yes, I am a student of Science, so dont

accept things easily as much as I dont deny things also which have

applicability. But I really do not want that young seekers of this great

knowledge get corrupted because of the kind of information being thrown

at them. A kumbha lagna person should always be tall 5/10 or 6. How

absurd can astrology get if it goes to such hands? Please take time to

answer these very basic questions of an inquisitive mind.

> >

> > Best wishes again,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

>

October 15, 2009

Bhaskar ji,

Good to see you back. Good questions that you have put. Atleast enlightenment here would help us in learning. I second you on that hoping that these questions were not posed to me

regards and Diwali wishes,

Mouji

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 4:02:43 PM Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life and Chart !!

Dear Friends,Let me put you on a new track, where you can be comrades and partners injourney, rather than detractors.All talk on theories means nothing. Explanations, arguments, bigtheories, big essays, big advices, judgmental expert opinions, thesis,compositions, postmartem analysis, each trying to teach another, allbecoming Masters and not liking to be in seat of student----- ----- Allthis means nothing.No one has learnt astrology in full till date, in the world.Teach us small students how to -1) Predict date of marriage to a native.2) Predict when a native will get a job.3) Predict when will native achieve Bhagyodaya.4) When he will enter in anew business, and what .5) When will he shift to a new office or home - and how todifferentiate.6) When will he acquire a new house o vehicle - and how todifferentiate.7) When will he acquire

good gains of money.8) When will he get results of Vipareeta or Neechbhanga Raj Yoga.Teach us all above day to day astrology, for the common man, withoutquoting shlokas, but with use of simple astrology and illustrations.Okay I will not trouble you, just teach me only how to predict the dateof marriage to the nearest month. And show a method which can work on90% of the Horoscopes. Show and teach us this with simple astrology.Any talk other than above, is bakwaas astrology.Your responses please.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "utkal.panigrahi"<utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Manoj,>> Pls dont take me wrong, i wd never say that you don't hve knowledge,you

have, bt, somewhere some refinement and exposure is required, i mlimited to that only, i m sorry for your's not feeling good.>> Seems, you read mails speedily, Pls recall, I had said sat-moon-jupcombination made her PM from huge support from under privilages (andpoor), written in sarawali, This is not connected with her lovemarriage, venus - rahu is conneted.>> In another discussion, learned members already suggested that in theold days medium of learning was oral, explanations were theresponsibility of teacher, same is my opinion, so, that what you saidthat you wont accept anything not written in classics, should review, wetoo follow and regard our classics and sages.>> With correct fundamentals, astrology is simple and straightforward.>> Then, It's a joy using astrology to read self and world.>> Utkal.>> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar mouji99@wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj,> > I will give open ended answers to you, was trying to understand rootcause of your's resentment, I mark, you have energy and resources, giveit a way to enrich knowledge and widen your vision, you have reached ata point wherefrom you can touch the sky or if deviated, learning curvew'd get longer and lengthy.> >> > )()( Dear Sir, I am a poor government servant so no energy andresources, because like brahmins, in India government servants arealways regarded as poor, and brahmins since eternity are addressed as,"ek daridra brahmin tha", never you would have read, "ek dhani brahmintha".> > * I understood, core of problem that

you are facing is because of an universal belief that aspect of planet protects the house where it'ssign falls, is not true, It's advisable to re - read aspects.> > ()()() I am not believing in anything except the statement inClassical Astrological Books that a planet placed in its own bhava oraspecting its own bhava protects that bhava. Correct me if I am wrong.> > * I do not understand why you should repeatedly write "What wasIndira Ji's marriage, known to all", I m not sure what are rumors spreadover there (delhi) on their marriage, Indira was staying with Feroz inallahabad even after Nehru became PM, later on, she moved to new delhi,but there was a cordial relationship, Feroz was a man of independentspirit, Indira campaigned for him in 1952 in RaiBareilly election,Problem started in 1955, when Feroz raised a campaign against corruptionof some business tycons of those days, Dalmiya,

Goenka etc, then financeminister TTK had to resign, this was an embarrassment to Nehru Govt.> >> > Feroz, used to live in his home which was close to Nehru's home,Indira used to visit him but was staying with father. This was the timerumors of their seperatio spread. We can consider this period of 5 yrsas a period of differences between them, however, they were stillunited, marriage was existing with differences.> > When in 1958, Feroz's health got deteriorated, Indira started livingwith him, took him to Kashmir with her sons, Feroz suffered 2nd heartattack in 1960.> > * I w'd ask to read her life and marriage in the light of thefacts, bickerings, differences but united after a time.> > *> > )()()() That I already wrote in my mail, is a subjective matter andeveryone would react in its own way. So no replies.> >> > * Navamsa or any D chart,

if considered independently, makes ascary picture of her marriage which is not a reality, Most celebratedastrologers have conveniently ignored the fact that Feroz remaineddevoted to Indira, how do you see a devoted husband in a woman's horo ?Does Navamsa alone explain it ? One has to refer back to Lagna tounderstand a chart or prediction will go to unknown direction.> > * Before one takes up any secondary classic on Vimshottari, It'sadvisable to miutely study BPHS dasha chapters, Seems Parashara haslisted effects of dasha hierarchy based on natural karakatwa's ofplanets, listed results can be modified as per lordship and aspect, signand house of placement etc.> > *> > )()(()() First you say, I lack the will and knowledge and then youcome up with the bookish theories that even a beginner of astrology isaware of. Kindly elaborate.> >> > * Why it was a trans

religion love marriage, answer is hidden innatural karaktwa of Venus and it's conjunction with Rahu in 6'th housein Dhanu, Such a venus aspects 12'th house, and has an interchange withJup in 11'th house of friendship, 3rd house friendship is different than11'th house friendship.> > *> > )()()()() Please do clarify between third house friendship and sixthhouse friendship. Readers would enjoy. In your initial mail you hadexplained it only on the basis of Saturn/Moon/ Jupiter and when I pointedout Venus/Rahu, now you bring it in. Please lets be sincere.> >> > * During the evolution of vedic astrology in 20'th century, on theone hand few myths got destroyed and on the other new myths got created,Conditional dasha is one of this sort. When renowned astrologersinstitutionalized study of astrology, less popular propositions gotadditional curiosity, Conditional Dasha is also a

secondary tool like Dcharts. Vimshottari has universal applicability if one applies it alongwith transit of planets.> >> > ()()()() : You are totally wrong my dear. Conditional dashas, whenapplicable on a chart, become the primary dasha. Like Mantreshwara says,there are many lagnas to watch transit but transit is mainly seen fromMoon, so parashara gives these conditional dashas with specificconditions to be applied on each chart. Have you ever tried them? Pleaseanswer honestly. Second, transits are always subservient to dashas.Otherwise, every fifth year, seventh year, 9th year, a person would getmarried because Jupiter will be aspecting his seventh house, i am notincluding seventh lord here which may make a person get married everyother year.> > * I w'd welcome queries on Krishneeyam, but, basic queries likespecial effects of mars, jup, sat and concepts of vargottama

looksboring, I m not interested.> > ()()() Are you really not interested. Please be clear, or there issome lack of understanding. Yes, I am a student of Science, so dontaccept things easily as much as I dont deny things also which haveapplicability. But I really do not want that young seekers of this greatknowledge get corrupted because of the kind of information being thrownat them. A kumbha lagna person should always be tall 5/10 or 6. Howabsurd can astrology get if it goes to such hands? Please take time toanswer these very basic questions of an inquisitive mind.> >> > Best wishes again,> >> > Mouji> >> > regards,> > Utkal.> >>

October 15, 2009

Dear Mouji Bhai and Utkalji,

Aapas menin bahut bahas ho gayi, aur ab main aapka dhyan kahin aur

batana chahta hoon. Mere prashnon ki taraf. Kripya karke mujhe seekhaiye

kisi native ke chart se marriage date kaise predict karte hain. I will

also post you some examples to locate the date of marriage, if you throw

long mails with descriptive content in it. Because I understand only

simple astrology, kab hoga, kyun aur kahan and kaise.

Whatever does not lead to above, does not teach anything. So I request

you both honorable members to teach us few predictive methods on above.

Because my clients come to me for prediction and not for lectures.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal Ji,

>

> I am reproducing below what I had said, " Yes, I am a student of

Science, so dont accept things easily as much as I dont deny things also

which have applicability. " What it means is that I dont accept anything

without testing it.

>

> And please note, not only for now, but for future also, there is no

resentment in anything, in me or in my writings. I try to get to the

root of a thing, thats my weakness or problem.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Mouji

>

> ________________________________

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

>

> Thu, October 15, 2009 3:34:21 PM

> Re: Indira PriyaDarshini's Life

and Chart !!

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Pls dont take me wrong, i wd never say that you don't hve knowledge,

you have, bt, somewhere some refinement and exposure is required, i m

limited to that only, i m sorry for your's not feeling good.

>

> Seems, you read mails speedily, Pls recall, I had said sat-moon-jup

combination made her PM from huge support from under privilages (and

poor), written in sarawali, This is not connected with her love

marriage, venus - rahu is conneted.

>

> In another discussion, learned members already suggested that in the

old days medium of learning was oral, explanations were the

responsibility of teacher, same is my opinion, so, that what you said

that you wont accept anything not written in classics, should review, we

too follow and regard our classics and sages.

>

> With correct fundamentals, astrology is simple and straightforward.

>

> Then, It's a joy using astrology to read self and world.

>

> Utkal.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar

mouji99@ > wrote: