Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Raichur ji, >Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. We all accept that>>rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY THEY WORK ". We are not>>questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the why. We have to>>state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO.">>i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE OFFENDED BY ANY>>OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> You are Most senior person in our group and you have right to say anithing to me. And Now I want to close this topic here. i feel very sorry for all this regards kanak Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Ron, I entirely agree with your observation. The table was constructed programmatically out of academic interest to find out if we are missing anything. As you say, the outcome strongly questions the validity of the theory that so many KP astrologers swear by. Shri.Raichur has indicated that this theory should be applied only as a fall-back after applying RP. Perhaps at this time RP is the most preferred technique. Shri. Kuppu Ganapathi of Delhi keeps telling me that one should look no further than RPs. By the way, I very much like your dismissal of this thoery as " Seductive " ! Very true indeed. About your other experiment, I would certainly be quite interested to work on this when my time permits. Do you have such AA-rated births? Regards, Rangarajan , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > The Table shows that there are less than 2 out of 24 hours when a > connection is not made between the Asc Sub Lord and Moon Star > Lord. This supports my experiment and says that you will > nearly always find a match. In fact I would suspect that 2 > hours is much more than you would normally see; because here we > have the two planets Venus and Saturn in 1:12 relationship. > Other relationships could bring aspects into account which are > likely to reduce the 2 hrs considerably. > > The problem with the Birth Time Verification Theory is that it is > very seductive. It leads us to believe that we have a > solution, because nearly always we are near the given time of > birth. This is inevitable as all 9 Subs are in the confines of > 13*20' of one Star. It is very easy for us to mislead > ourselves when we are rectifying for the future, because nothing > tells us we may be wrong. > > I proposed an experiment some time back on this List that we take > a number of AA rated birth charts ie with an observed birth, and > without participants knowing the TOB, attempt rectification from > a time spread of say 2 to 4 hours. A close call say within 5 > minutes could be considered a hit, otherwise a miss. This > experiment was to find out whether we as individual astrologers > had the gift of synchronicity. Also to work out how we > personally would use the RP system to the best advantage. > This experiment could also tell us the validity of the Asc Sub > and Star Lord Birth Time Rectification system. Unfortunately, > the idea appeared to have no interest for members. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:59:28 -0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Ron, > >An excellent experiment! > > > >I would like you to take a look at the file I have uploaded today > >and tell me what you think. > > > >Regards, > >Rangarajan > > > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> Regarding this question of Birth Time Rectification espoused in > >> Astro Secrets Part 2 page 80, I have carried out a little > >> experiment. > >> > >> I generated 10 fictitious birth dates and times by using the > >> Random Generator at http://www.randomizer.org/form.htm > >> I used for the place the small village in England where I grew up > >> and there wouldn't have been more than 3 births a year. > >> > >> In EVERY case there was a link between the Moon's Star Lord > >> and the Asc Sub Lord. What's more, I didn't have to go deep > >> into the Subs they were all immediately recognizable. In fact 3 > >> of the Asc Sub Lords were the Star Lord himself. > >> > >> This is an easy and quick experiment to carry out. I doubt > >> whether anyone would EVER find No connection between the > >> Asc Sub Lord and Moon's Star Lord. > >> > >> I therefore totally concur with Kanak it is not a valid method > >> of verifying the Time of Birth. > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Shri.Raichur, Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP system, when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to marry the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw a pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such patterns are discovered through experience and if these are verified and documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a period of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say 80% success rate without much difficulty. This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute to such a growth of KP system. Regards, Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own experience with the > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is given as a problem > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken engagement/ a muhurta > > postphoponed etc. > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the client, " Had you any > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client truthfully answered " NO " > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is not the one you > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry another girl but was > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers guessing, different > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, but something addedd " > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is ones opinion formed > > after lot of experience. > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. We all accept that > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY THEY WORK " . We are not > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the why. We have to > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE OFFENDED BY ANY > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > GOOD LUCK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear All, 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with blind faith. 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners in this group. 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON starlord for birth time rectification. 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is the same for: a) TOB 21:01:20 and c) TOB 22:00:00 because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? Thanks and regards, tw Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David Hawthorne , V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the book.) http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra b)TOB 21:15 PM Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me c) TOB 22:00 PM Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Shri.Raichur, > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP system, > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to marry > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw a > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such patterns > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a period > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute to > such a growth of KP system. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > experience with the > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > given as a problem > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > client, " Had you any > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is > not the one you > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry another > girl but was > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers guessing, > different > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, but > something addedd " > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is ones > opinion formed > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. We > all accept that > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > why. We have to > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > GOOD LUCK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Rangarajan The answer is INTUTION, after just noting the Punarphoo in the chart. --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Shri.Raichur, > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP system, > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to marry > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw a > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such patterns > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a period > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute to > such a growth of KP system. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > experience with the > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > given as a problem > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > client, " Had you any > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is > not the one you > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry another > girl but was > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers guessing, > different > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, but > something addedd " > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is ones > opinion formed > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. We > all accept that > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > why. We have to > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > GOOD LUCK > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Friends, In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear All, > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith. > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for: > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.) > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is > > not the one you > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd " > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to > > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Friends, Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The survey can still be found at /surveys?id=11996085. Most of the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again. Regards, Punit Pandey , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote: > Friends, > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > blind faith. > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > > in this group. > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > is > > the same for: > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David > Hawthorne , > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > > book.) > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > Rempel > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > system, > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > marry > > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw > > a > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > patterns > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > period > > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > in > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > > to > > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > own > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > is > > > given as a problem > > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady > is > > > not the one you > > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > > another > > > girl but was > > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > guessing, > > > different > > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > > but > > > something addedd " > > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > ones > > > opinion formed > > > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > > We > > > all accept that > > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > > > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > the > > > why. We have to > > > > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear tw853, You seem to blindly accept Chowdhry's chart as absolutely correct...does it verfy most events in Bill's Life/carreer...? Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The survey can still be found at /surveys?id=11996085. Most of the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again.Regards,Punit Pandey , "Punit Pandey" <punitp@g...> wrote:> Friends,> > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear All,> > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > blind faith.> > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > > in this group. > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > is > > the same for:> > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David > Hawthorne , > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > > book.)> > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su> > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me> > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa> > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa> > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm> > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo> > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju> > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju> > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > Rempel > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea> > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT> > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve> > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me> > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > system, > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > marry > > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > > a > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > patterns > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > period > > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > in > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with -> > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > > to > > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > own > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > is > > > given as a problem> > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > > client, "Had you any> > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady > is > > > not the one you> > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > > another > > > girl but was> > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ".> > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > guessing, > > > different> > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > > but > > > something addedd "> > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > ones > > > opinion formed > > > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > > We > > > all accept that> > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > the > > > why. We have to> > > > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO."> > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Sri Punit Pandey, I havebeen trying to reconcile birtime of my elder son, using the connection between the Ascendant Sub lord and Moon star position,there was no direct connection but there was a relationship. Birth Details, 11-7-1972 Time 1620 hrs Lat/long( geograhic) 16N57/82E13. Ascendant Scorpio 24-29-12 Mars/Merc/Rahu/Jup Moon Cancer 4-8-4 Moon/Sat/Sat/Ven Rahu Capricon 3-3-16 Sat/sun/Sat/Sat Rahu is sublord of Asc placed in Sat sign /Sat sub, there is therefore a relationship, hence birth time shud be true. As per KP book' Astrosecrets & KP PtII,pg 78/,we can check Sub lord of 9th Cusp, if its Jup, then take Birth, time as correct. Since I donot know the concept of using 10th cusp, addditional verification was not possible. The main reason,in 8th bhava, there are 5 planets, Sun,Ketu, Moon,Mars And Merc. In the present Dasa of Mercury, He passed his CA in Jan 95, joined a MNC in June 95,went abroad in mar 2001,quit his job in june 2002.joined another job in Oct 2002 abroad and presently abroad. All the above was not possible in Merc and Bhuktis like Jup/Sat, as there was no 3,9,12 connection. I tried method of the stars of Parents,my being Hastha and my wife Punarvasu.I required to prepone the birth time as much as 30 min. With this newtimings, Mercury came into 9th Bhava, This conflicts with recorded time. I am seeking enlightenement from the experienced friends to resolve this apparent contradiction. Regards, Satish , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote: > Friends, > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > blind faith. > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > > in this group. > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > is > > the same for: > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David > Hawthorne , > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > > book.) > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > Rempel > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > system, > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > marry > > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw > > a > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > patterns > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > period > > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > in > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > > to > > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > own > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > is > > > given as a problem > > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady > is > > > not the one you > > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > > another > > > girl but was > > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > guessing, > > > different > > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > > but > > > something addedd " > > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > ones > > > opinion formed > > > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > > We > > > all accept that > > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > > > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > the > > > why. We have to > > > > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Mr.Punit Pandey Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. Regards Vijay Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for:> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su> Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa> 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa> 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm> http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo> Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju> 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju> 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea> rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve> 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me> 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, "Had you any> > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ".> > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd "> > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO."> > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Within astrology community, astrology is astrology-jyotish. Many so called rationalists consider asrology to be a hoax or humbug. Some people are not sure of what it is. Astrogers when confronted with such people try defend astrology as divine science. Otherwise if we think deeply this term carries no meaning. When we are dealing with life patterns of a native and going for some predictions, we can not even define what is successful prediction. Sometimes,if one gets prediction that her married is smooth. Another astrolger says her married life is not so smooth. She would agree to both. [Human behaviour, expectations, different timings.]. Kp gives us very good tools for a yes or no of fructification of any event. This is big achievement. Here you can achieve say 70-80% of success.We are depending upon 'sub' for this. Some may go upto sub- sub level. But at any point of time we are having dasa, bhukti, antra,shuksma, preshuksma, and further. A day is also divided into different astro divisions. In transits, small differece counts. Say 120* aspect may be different fron 121* aspect. And so so many complex placements and aspect. Each native is having an entirely different chart, never it can match. This way we can not factor this entire matrix in any super-super computer. We are going by very rough statistical configration. Then, when every situation is different, what we are doing is a rough judgement. Here intution, luck[of astrologer and consultant], insight, experience,familarity etc etc comes into play. Also divinity may have some play, if we want to change our fate with astrological forecasts, it will not be possible, and mostly astrologer will miss some vital links even if it is yes no situation of KP sub. Inder , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> wrote: > Dear Inder, > If you say that the phrase " Divine Science " was perhaps coined to > promote astrology, what do YOU believe it is? I am sure no one expects > 100% success in astrological predictions (in fact, even in many > acknowledged " sciences " , 100% success is not obtained). I would be > ecstatic if I cross 80% several years from now! If the emphasis is on > divinity and less on science, then there should be a filtering process > to decide who can practise astrology. I am not talking about people > who " cheat " others by claiming to be astrologers. Rather I am talking > about those who genuinely aspire to be astrologers, but cannot be > because divinity eludes them. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The term Divine Science might have been coined in defensive mode to > > promote astrology. > > The position/movement of planets [12 in numbers] are fixed. After > > 20 years ,on 24th May 2025 what is the position of each palnet is > > known. So this is science.[ Astronomy]. > > Fixation of timings, cusps also may become scientific. > > But the main [divine] promlem is of interpretation. Destiny of 7 > > billions of human are governed by these planets, each is different. > > It is impossible to get all the time, to 100% accurate and correct > > prediction. This is a divine problem. There may be some divine > > perpose for this. For example, if we try to change destiny with > > astrological predictions, these predictions may go wrong in some way > > or other. and we can see that in post martiem of the event. > > Inder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Lajmi, 1. Not me, only you're saying blindly. I didn't say I accept Cohwdry's chart correct or not. 2. Don't mix up. My question is strait for the first step consisteny check of the rule which gave you coreect TOB as per your frqently sayings. Regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw853, > You seem to blindly accept Chowdhry's chart as absolutely correct...does it verfy most events in Bill's Life/carreer...? > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Friends, > > Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the > Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The > survey can still be found at > /surveys?id=11996085. Most of > the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan > ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems > that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I > request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Friends, > > > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use > other > > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time > rectification. > > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated > guess > > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I > do > > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we > can > > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > > blind faith. > > > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP > learners > > > in this group. > > > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick > and > > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > > is > > > the same for: > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, > NKPA > > > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David > > Hawthorne , > > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of > the > > > book.) > > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM > > > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > > Rempel > > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that > it > > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > > > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > > > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > > > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > > > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > > > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > > system, > > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > > marry > > > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you > saw > > > a > > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will > be > > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > > patterns > > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > > period > > > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, > say > > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > > in > > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > > > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will > contribute > > > to > > > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > <anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > > own > > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > > is > > > > given as a problem > > > > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady > > is > > > > not the one you > > > > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > > > another > > > > girl but was > > > > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > > guessing, > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > > > but > > > > something addedd " > > > > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > > ones > > > > opinion formed > > > > > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no > harm. > > > We > > > > all accept that > > > > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we > explain " WHY > > > > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > > the > > > > why. We have to > > > > > > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY > ARE > > > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear punit, Surely there is a better way to check whether this is correct. I would suggest the following: Collect say 20 or more AA rated charts ie where the birth was observed; and see whether the rule holds good within say 2 minutes of the reported time. Theoretically all should observe the rule. Make an allowance of say three charts for misreporting. Do the other charts confirm the rule? If there are say 12 of the charts that do, then there may be something in the rule which may need modifying by bringing in some other factor. Repeat the experiment to see if the same results are obtained. If say only 4 or 5 match then the rule is highly questionable - because some will match by chance. Ron Gaunt On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:17:27 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >Dear tw853, > You seem to blindly accept Chowdhry's chart as absolutely correct...does it verfy most events in Bill's Life/carreer...? > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > >Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: >Friends, > >Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the >Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The >survey can still be found at >/surveys?id=11996085. Most of >the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan >ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems >that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I >request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again. > >Regards, > >Punit Pandey > > , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote: >> Friends, >> >> In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between >> one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation >> between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use >other >> close relatives like brother and sister for birth time >rectification. >> It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated >guess >> says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we >> can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in >> parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. >> >> Thanks & Regards, >> >> Punit Pandey >> >> >> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > >> > >> > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I >do >> > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we >can >> > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with >> > blind faith. >> > >> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good >> > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP >learners >> > in this group. >> > >> > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick >and >> > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON >> > starlord for birth time rectification. >> > >> > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule >> is >> > the same for: >> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and >> > c) TOB 22:00:00 >> > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? >> > >> > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? >> > >> > Thanks and regards, >> > >> > tw >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, >NKPA >> > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 >> > >> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) >> > >> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David >> Hawthorne , >> > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of >the >> > book.) >> > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html >> > >> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d >> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma >> > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su >> > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo >> > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra >> > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve >> > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su >> > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me >> > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju >> > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju >> > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra >> > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra >> > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me >> > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me >> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me >> > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa >> > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra >> > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa >> > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su >> > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me >> > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me >> > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me >> > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra >> > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa >> > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju >> > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > b)TOB 21:15 PM >> > >> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard >> > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John >> > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. >> > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm >> > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm >> > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? >> > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht >> > >> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d >> > >> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma >> > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo >> > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo >> > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra >> > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve >> > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo >> > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me >> > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju >> > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju >> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra >> > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju >> > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me >> > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra >> > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me >> > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me >> > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra >> > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju >> > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me >> > >> > >> > c) TOB 22:00 PM >> > >> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy >> Rempel >> > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that >it >> > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. >> > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s >> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm >> > >> >http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea >> > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' >> > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT >> > >> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d >> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma >> > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju >> > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo >> > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra >> > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve >> > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo >> > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me >> > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju >> > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju >> > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra >> > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra >> > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me >> > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve >> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl >> > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me >> > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke >> > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju >> > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve >> > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke >> > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa >> > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve >> > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra >> > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve >> > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me >> > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su >> > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " >> > <ranga@m...> wrote: >> > > Dear Shri.Raichur, >> > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP >> > system, >> > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one >> > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this >> > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to >> > marry >> > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you >saw >> > a >> > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is >> > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will >be >> > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such >> > patterns >> > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and >> > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a >> > period >> > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, >say >> > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. >> > > >> > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening >> in >> > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > >> > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers >> > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will >contribute >> > to >> > > such a growth of KP system. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > Rangarajan >> > > >> > > , anant raichur >> <anant_1608> >> > > wrote: >> > > > Dear Rangarajan >> > > > >> > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My >> own >> > > experience with the >> > > > >> > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition >> is >> > > given as a problem >> > > > >> > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken >> > > engagement/ a muhurta >> > > > >> > > > postphoponed etc. >> > > > >> > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the >> > > client, " Had you any >> > > > >> > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client >> > > truthfully answered " NO " >> > > > >> > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady >> is >> > > not the one you >> > > > >> > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry >> > another >> > > girl but was >> > > > >> > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . >> > > > >> > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers >> > guessing, >> > > different >> > > > >> > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, >> > but >> > > something addedd " >> > > > >> > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is >> > ones >> > > opinion formed >> > > > >> > > > after lot of experience. >> > > > >> > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no >harm. >> > We >> > > all accept that >> > > > >> > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we >explain " WHY >> > > THEY WORK " . We are not >> > > > >> > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain >> the >> > > why. We have to >> > > > >> > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " >> > > > >> > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY >ARE >> > > OFFENDED BY ANY >> > > > >> > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. >> > > > >> > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Survey: The asc sub to moon star rule is not fully reliable. I just checked a chart . It agrees with RP method, but the ASC-Moon star rule is not satisfied. The consultant was with me. His ASC SUB is MOON. I asked him whether he has a wavering mind. Yes he agreed so that settled it. Timee given was 4.07 am. from a hospital. So there was no doubt about the accuracy/range. --- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Friends, > > Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the > Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The > survey can still be found at > /surveys?id=11996085. Most of > the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan > ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems > that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I > request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Friends, > > > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use > other > > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time > rectification. > > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated > guess > > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I > do > > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we > can > > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > > blind faith. > > > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP > learners > > > in this group. > > > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick > and > > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > > is > > > the same for: > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, > NKPA > > > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David > > Hawthorne , > > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of > the > > > book.) > > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > > > > c) TOB 22:00 PM > > > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > > Rempel > > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that > it > > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > === message truncated === --------- A.R.Raichur bombay anant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY tel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Punitji You are exactly right in your opinion.I appreciate your logical way of thinking. This can be done to reduce the complex issue of arriving right time and deciding the accuracy of the chart.There are lots of steps a person has to take in making sure the right time of birth.We can decide by using one single formula or equation in any case.Understanding the logics involved in birth of a child like relationship of parents to the ascendant,kith and kins,etc is right. But here they are discussing on fixing lagna or ascendent. Lets see. With thanks and regards Balaji G Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for:> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su> Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa> 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa> 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm> http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo> Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju> 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju> 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea> rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve> 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me> 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, "Had you any> > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ".> > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd "> > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO."> > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Vijayji First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. If any affection in this that should also be checked. Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. With thanks and regards Balaji G vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Punit Pandey Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. Regards Vijay Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for:> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su> Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa> 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa> 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm> http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo> Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju> 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju> 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea> rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve> 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me> 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, "Had you any> > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ".> > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd "> > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO."> > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Mr.Balaji G.Krishnan, Thank you for explaining in detail and I shall sincerely try this. Thank You once again Vijay"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Vijayji First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. If any affection in this that should also be checked. Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. With thanks and regards Balaji G vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Punit Pandey Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. Regards Vijay Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for:> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su> Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa> 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa> 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm> http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo> Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju> 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju> 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s> http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea> rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve> 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me> 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, "Had you any> > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ".> > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd "> > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO."> > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Ron ji & Friends, Let us start this experiment. Seeing the discussion, I believe that many forum members are interested in this activity. We should stop discussing theories and come to the practicals; only that way we can reach to some conclusion. This exercise will provide us such opportunity. Regards, Punit Pandey On 5/25/05, rongaunt au <rongaunt wrote: Dear punit,Surely there is a better way to check whether this is correct.I would suggest the following: Collect say 20 or more AA rated charts ie where the birth wasobserved; and see whether the rule holds good within say 2minutes of the reported time. Theoretically all shouldobserve the rule. Make an allowance of say three charts for misreporting. Do the other charts confirm the rule? If thereare say 12 of the charts that do, then there may be something inthe rule which may need modifying by bringing in some otherfactor. Repeat the experiment to see if the same results are obtained. If say only 4 or 5 match then the rule is highlyquestionable - because some will match by chance.Ron Gaunt On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:17:27 +0100 (BST), you wrote:>Dear tw853,> You seem to blindly accept Chowdhry's chart as absolutely correct...does it verfy most events in Bill's Life/carreer...? > Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> >>Punit Pandey < punitp wrote:>Friends,>>Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the >Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The >survey can still be found at >/surveys?id=11996085. Most of >the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan >ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems >that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I >request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again.>>Regards,>>Punit Pandey >> , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@g...> wrote:>> Friends,>> >> In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between >> one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation >> between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use >other >> close relatives like brother and sister for birth time >rectification. >> It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated >guess >> says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we >> can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in >> parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. >> >> Thanks & Regards,>> >> Punit Pandey>> >> >> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:>> > Dear All,>> > >> > >> > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I >do >> > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we >can >> > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with >> > blind faith. >> > >> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good >> > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP >learners >> > in this group. >> > >> > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick >and >> > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON >> > starlord for birth time rectification. >> > >> > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule >> is >> > the same for:>> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and >> > c) TOB 22:00:00 >> > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? >> > >> > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?>> > >> > Thanks and regards,>> > >> > tw>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, >NKPA >> > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1 >> > >> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)>> > >> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David >> Hawthorne , >> > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of >the >> > book.)>> > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html>> > >> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d>> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma >> > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su>> > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo>> > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su >> > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me>> > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju>> > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra>> > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra >> > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me>> > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me >> > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa>> > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra>> > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa>> > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su>> > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me >> > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me>> > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me>> > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra>> > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa>> > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju >> > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > b)TOB 21:15 PM>> > >> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard >> > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John >> > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.>> > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm>> > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm >> > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?>> > site= http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht>> > >> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d >> > >> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma>> > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo>> > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo >> > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo>> > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me>> > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju >> > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra>> > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju >> > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me>> > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra>> > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me>> > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me>> > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra >> > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju>> > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me>> > >> > >> > c) TOB 22:00 PM>> > >> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy >> Rempel >> > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that >it >> > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.>> > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s>> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm >> > >> >http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea >> > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'>> > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT >> > >> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d>> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma>> > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju >> > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo>> > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo>> > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me >> > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju>> > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra>> > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra>> > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me >> > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me>> > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke >> > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju>> > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve>> > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke>> > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa>> > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve >> > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra>> > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve>> > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me>> > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su>> > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " >> > <ranga@m...> wrote:>> > > Dear Shri.Raichur,>> > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP >> > system, >> > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one >> > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this >> > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to >> > marry >> > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you >saw >> > a >> > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is >> > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will >be >> > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such >> > patterns >> > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and >> > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a >> > period >> > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, >say >> > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. >> > > >> > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening >> in >> > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with -> >> > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers >> > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will >contribute >> > to >> > > such a growth of KP system. >> > > >> > > Regards,>> > > Rangarajan>> > > >> > > , anant raichur >> <anant_1608> >> > > wrote:>> > > > Dear Rangarajan>> > > > >> > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My >> own >> > > experience with the >> > > > >> > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition >> is >> > > given as a problem >> > > > >> > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken >> > > engagement/ a muhurta >> > > > >> > > > postphoponed etc. >> > > > >> > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the >> > > client, " Had you any>> > > > >> > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client >> > > truthfully answered " NO " >> > > > >> > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady >> is >> > > not the one you >> > > > >> > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry >> > another >> > > girl but was>> > > > >> > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . >> > > > >> > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers >> > guessing, >> > > different>> > > > >> > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, >> > but >> > > something addedd " >> > > > >> > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is >> > ones >> > > opinion formed >> > > > >> > > > after lot of experience. >> > > > >> > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no >harm. >> > We >> > > all accept that>> > > > >> > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we >explain " WHY >> > > THEY WORK " . We are not >> > > > >> > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain >> the >> > > why. We have to>> > > > >> > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " >> > > > >> > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY >ARE >> > > OFFENDED BY ANY>> > > > >> > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. >> > > > >> > > > GOOD LUCK>>>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Balaji ji, It would be great if you can supplement it with some example. Also are you using this method for birth time rectification regularly? Theoretically even I believe that it should work but I have not done any serious study on it. Regards, Punit Pandey On 5/25/05, Balaji G.krishnan <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Vijayji First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. If any affection in this that should also be checked. Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. With thanks and regards Balaji G vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Punit Pandey Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. Regards Vijay Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for: > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards, > > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site= http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd " > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > > THEY WORK " . We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Balaji, Thanks for the details and they are very very practical. However, my doubt was something else. Once, someone sits for birth time rectification for a chart, he gets 5 RPs (or more). Now, How to select, which planet becomes what amongst SgL, StL, SbL and SsL etc. Are there set guidelines for the same. Kindly elucidate. Thanks, Vijay Kumar On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:54:57 +0100 (BST), Balaji G.krishnan wrote > Dear Vijayji > > First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. > If any affection in this that should also be checked. > > Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. > > Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. > > Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. > If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. > Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. > till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > > > vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > Dear Mr.Punit Pandey > > Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. > > 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. > > 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. > > As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. > > Regards > > Vijay > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends, > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > blind faith. > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > > in this group. > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > is > > the same for: > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > > 23: 09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, " Astrlogy for Life " by David > Hawthorne , > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > > book.) > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 & n bsp; 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, " Hard > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire, " John > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > < BR>> Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > c) TOB 22:0 0 PM > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > Rempel > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > > > > > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > system, > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try t o figure out how one > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > marry > > > the lady? It cannot be that " it just came to you " . Surely you saw > > a > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > patterns > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > period > > > of time we will " produce " good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > in > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortabl e with - > > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > > to > > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > own > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > is > > > given as a problem > > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen thi s in a chart and asked the > > > client, " Had you any > > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client > > > truthfully answered " NO " > > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady > is > > > not the one you > > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry > > another > > > girl but was > > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . > > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > guessing, > > > different > > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, > > but > > > something addedd " > > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > ones > > > opinion formed > > > & g t; > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > > We > > > all accept that > > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY > > > THEY WORK " . We are not > > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > the > > > why. We have to > > > > > > > > state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " > > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > ! > India Matrimony Find your life partner online.: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Punit, First of all,we must set the parameters for 'evaluation' of the rule,which is in dispute...OR, is our interpretation of Shanmugham's rule itself, all wrong... ? This must be settled first,else, we are all,in the name of "research" ,liable to comitting yet another blunder... Just because the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham's English ,or perhaps, the English translation,in the book, is defective,are we justified in assuming what Shamugham really meant ? More so,now that he is no more...? Punit,I seriously think that the point #3,on page 237(First Edition),should be read carefully...first,in the context in which it has been written...and not judged in the context of some members' opinion or surmise,however logical or "scientific" in outlook,as to what it means,in their opinion... As the moderator,I wish you give serious thought to this...before we set ourselves up, on a "wild-goose-chase"...! Logically,now that the same book is being marketed,with Mr.K.Subramaniam,s/o KSK,as its author,editor and publisher,wouldn't it be more correct or proper to ask the author,editor and publisher, for his opinion before we all set ourselves up,on (a highly probable ?) wild-goose-chase...? ? This is for your your kind consideration please... I also invite comments from members of the Group. With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Ron ji & Friends, Let us start this experiment. Seeing the discussion, I believe that many forum members are interested in this activity. We should stop discussing theories and come to the practicals; only that way we can reach to some conclusion. This exercise will provide us such opportunity. Regards, Punit Pandey On 5/25/05, rongaunt au <rongaunt wrote: Dear punit,Surely there is a better way to check whether this is correct.I would suggest the following: Collect say 20 or more AA rated charts ie where the birth wasobserved; and see whether the rule holds good within say 2minutes of the reported time. Theoretically all shouldobserve the rule. Make an allowance of say three charts for misreporting. Do the other charts confirm the rule? If thereare say 12 of the charts that do, then there may be something inthe rule which may need modifying by bringing in some otherfactor. Repeat the experiment to see if the same results are obtained. If say only 4 or 5 match then the rule is highlyquestionable - because some will match by chance.Ron Gaunt On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:17:27 +0100 (BST), you wrote:>Dear tw853,> You seem to blindly accept Chowdhry's chart as absolutely correct...does it verfy most events in Bill's Life/carreer...? > Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> >>Punit Pandey < punitp wrote:>Friends,>>Interestingly, recently we had a survey on the correctness of the >Ascendant-Moon relation method of birth time rectification. The >survey can still be found at >/surveys?id=11996085. Most of >the astrologers were of opinion that it is correct. Only RV Gopalan >ji, Kanak ji and Inder ji has voted that it is incorrect. It seems >that there are few more KP astrologers who didn't found it correct. I >request everybody to vote his opinion on this matter once again.>>Regards,>>Punit Pandey >> , "Punit Pandey" <punitp@g...> wrote:>> Friends,>> >> In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between >> one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation >> between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use >other >> close relatives like brother and sister for birth time >rectification. >> It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated >guess >> says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we >> can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in >> parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. >> >> Thanks & Regards,>> >> Punit Pandey>> >> >> , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:>> > Dear All,>> > >> > >> > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I >do >> > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we >can >> > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with >> > blind faith.>> > >> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good >> > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP >learners >> > in this group. >> > >> > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick >and >> > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON >> > starlord for birth time rectification. >> > >> > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule >> is >> > the same for:>> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 and >> > c) TOB 22:00:00 >> > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? >> > >> > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?>> > >> > Thanks and regards,>> > >> > tw>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, >NKPA >> > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1>> > >> > >> > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)>> > >> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David >> Hawthorne , >> > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of >the >> > book.)>> > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html>> > >> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d>> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma >> > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su>> > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo>> > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su >> > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me>> > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju>> > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra>> > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra >> > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me>> > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me >> > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa>> > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra>> > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa>> > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su>> > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me >> > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me>> > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me>> > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra>> > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa>> > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju >> > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > b)TOB 21:15 PM>> > >> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard >> > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John >> > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.>> > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm>> > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm >> > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?>> > site= http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht>> > >> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d >> > >> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma>> > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo>> > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo >> > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo>> > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me>> > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju >> > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra>> > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju >> > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me>> > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra>> > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me>> > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me>> > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra >> > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju>> > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me>> > >> > >> > c) TOB 22:00 PM>> > >> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy >> Rempel >> > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that >it >> > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.>> > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s>> > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm >> > >> >http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea >> > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'>> > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT >> > >> > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d>> > >> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma>> > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju >> > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo>> > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra>> > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve>> > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo>> > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me >> > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju>> > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju>> > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra>> > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra>> > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me >> > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve>> > >> > >> > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl>> > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me>> > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke >> > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju>> > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve>> > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke>> > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa>> > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve >> > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra>> > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve>> > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me>> > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su>> > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" >> > <ranga@m...> wrote:>> > > Dear Shri.Raichur,>> > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP >> > system, >> > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one >> > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this >> > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to >> > marry >> > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you >saw >> > a >> > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is >> > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will >be >> > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such >> > patterns >> > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and >> > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a >> > period >> > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, >say >> > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. >> > > >> > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening >> in >> > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with -> >> > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers >> > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will >contribute >> > to >> > > such a growth of KP system. >> > > >> > > Regards,>> > > Rangarajan>> > > >> > > , anant raichur >> <anant_1608> >> > > wrote:>> > > > Dear Rangarajan>> > > > >> > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My >> own >> > > experience with the >> > > > >> > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition >> is >> > > given as a problem >> > > > >> > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken >> > > engagement/ a muhurta >> > > > >> > > > postphoponed etc. >> > > > >> > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the >> > > client, "Had you any>> > > > >> > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client >> > > truthfully answered "NO">> > > > >> > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady >> is >> > > not the one you >> > > > >> > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry >> > another >> > > girl but was>> > > > >> > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ". >> > > > >> > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers >> > guessing, >> > > different>> > > > >> > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, >> > but >> > > something addedd ">> > > > >> > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is >> > ones >> > > opinion formed >> > > > >> > > > after lot of experience. >> > > > >> > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no >harm. >> > We >> > > all accept that>> > > > >> > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we >explain "WHY >> > > THEY WORK ". We are not >> > > > >> > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain >> the >> > > why. We have to>> > > > >> > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO." >> > > > >> > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY >ARE >> > > OFFENDED BY ANY>> > > > >> > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. >> > > > >> > > > GOOD LUCK>>>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Vijayji In almost every annual issue of KP and astrology you can see an article on this topic.Many articles for the past 10 years has been published and books also. RP is not an easy way of rectifying that every body will agree but it is where the skill and acumen of the astrologer is working. The ruling planet what we get fresh for the first two times is very direct and that's god given.If you keep on trying again and again for 10 times.Thats not going to help. Day Lagna sign Lagna star Moon sign and Moon star..These will tell the configuration of the birth chart and dasa and bukthi currently running. Lagna star is very powerful and moon star is also equally good. Lagna sign lord mostly will be the Lagna Sub-sub or Moon's sign lord.So,First decide the approximate time of birth.then go for tuning by fixing lagna sign..lagna star...lagna sub and lagna sub-sub later.Step by step. If ascendent is satisfactorily..100% fixed then 90% job is over moon will easily set in its position. Got it?? God id powerful..He only does all the miracles through man..He only decides the end of the person who does the miracle.So,believe and pray to god..almighty..it may be muruga,jesus,allah or kali or any god as you like or believe. Respect guruji's words and analyse..calmly the events using your chart like education..loss or gains...fathers events,mother events,brother's events.. If married your spouse details...go ahead..you will find the seashore like colombus atlast one day...Thats how guruji and edison onvented things. ROME IS NOT BUILT ON ONE DAY BUT FOR YEARS...STRIVE FOR SUCCESS.. GOOD LUCK.BYE. Hope u got it some good information. Balaji GVijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote: Dear Balaji, Thanks for the details and they are very very practical. However, my doubt was something else. Once, someone sits for birth time rectification for a chart, he gets 5 RPs (or more). Now, How to select, which planet becomes what amongst SgL, StL, SbL and SsL etc. Are there set guidelines for the same. Kindly elucidate. Thanks, Vijay Kumar On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:54:57 +0100 (BST), Balaji G.krishnan wrote > Dear Vijayji > > First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. > If any affection in this that should also be checked. > > Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. > > Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. > > Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. > If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. > Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. > till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > > > vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > Dear Mr.Punit Pandey > > Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. > > 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. > > 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. > > As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. > > Regards > > Vijay > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends, > > In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between > one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation > between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other > close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. > It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess > says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we > can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in > parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > > blind faith. > > > > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > > in this group. > > > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > > starlord for birth time rectification. > > > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule > is > > the same for: > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > > c) TOB 22:00:00 > > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > > 23: 09:01, KPAstro 2.1 > > > > > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west) > > > > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David > Hawthorne , > > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > > book.) > > http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html > > > > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su > > Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 & n bsp; 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me > > 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa > > 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra > > 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su > > 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me > > 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me > > 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me > > 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra > > 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju > > 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM > > > > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM. > > http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm > > http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? > > site=http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht > > > > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d > > > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > > > < BR>> Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra > > 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me > > 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra > > 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me > > 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me > > 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra > > 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me > > > > > > c) TOB 22:0 0 PM > > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy > Rempel > > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute. > > http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm > > > http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope' > > http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d > > > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma > > Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju > > Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra > > Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve > > Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo > > Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me > > Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju > > Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju > > Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra > > Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra > > Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me > > For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve > > > > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl > > 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me > > 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke > > 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju > > 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke > > 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa > > 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve > > 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra > > 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve > > 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su > > 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve > > > > > > > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > > <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > > system, > > > when I encounter such cases, I will try t o figure out how one > > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > > marry > > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > > a > > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > > patterns > > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > > period > > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > > 80% success rate without much difficulty. > > > > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening > in > > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortabl e with - > > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > > to > > > such a growth of KP system. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur > <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My > own > > > experience with the > > > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition > is > > > given as a problem > > > > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen thi s in a chart and asked the > > > client, "Had you any > > > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > > truthfully answered "NO" > > > > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady > is > > > not the one you > > > > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > > another > > > girl but was > > > > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ". > > > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > > guessing, > > > different > > > > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > > but > > > something addedd " > > > > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > > ones > > > opinion formed > > > & g t; > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > > We > > > all accept that > > > > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > > THEY WORK ". We are not > > > > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain > the > > > why. We have to > > > > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO." > > > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > > OFFENDED BY ANY > > > > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > > > ! > India Matrimony Find your life partner online.: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2005 Dear Balaji, Mr.Vijay Kumar is asking for the elaborate procedure. I am sure it will help everyone. Can you be a little more detailed - with an example? You have said: <Quote> Lagna sign lord mostly will be the Lagna Sub-sub or Moon's sign lord.So,First decide the approximate time of birth.then go for tuning by fixing lagna sign..lagna star...lagna sub and lagna sub-sub later.Step by step. If ascendent is satisfactorily..100% fixed then 90% job is over moon will easily set in its position. Got it?? <End Quote> There are two sets of planets - one is the RP set and the other is the planets at birth time. When you say " lagna sign lord " , is it the RP lagna sublord or birth lagna sublord? Suppose you were to explain to a beginner in KP system, how will you explain? Regards, Rangarajan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2005 Dear punitji Learning is a continuous process and I am also learning daily as a student of astrology. So,I am using this Ruling planets usually and find it amazing especially if you whole heartedly work the first time..fresh one.When you catch up the correct point..as from the RP it gives the perfect chart..An astrologer has to be cautious and analytical in working the right time.Believe that it will,certainly it gives...Astrology more than theoritical many stalwarts has achieved only by believing 100% efforts..with gods grace..the answer with us. Here I have one friend,who knows astrology of all types but he uses K.p also with staunch prayer to god,guruji he achieves..Great Guruji KSKji also achieved many great things by faith,believe and progressing towards the path with ultimately god's will. Ruling planets are natural helpers..they come as to help you scientifically.Our mind and the planets are linked.So anything happens in a time has the influence of the planets.When the chart comes take it and call RP.You can see how excellent it has arrived. But today man needs money and without money..nothing happens..So,even professional astrologers too take more charts and when they call every day 10 to 20 times...Definitely the skill is required for that astrologer to judge the Rp. With pure heart,dedication,faith in god,,,,any divine science will help you for the good.If you use it as a game,with selfish intentions,,no god will help. Thats why today many of the people is seems to be without any problems.They are not peaceful.... Hope u got it.RP is a wonderful tool and if you work methodically,calmly,it gives great results..this is not something newly found.Our rishis told...K.S.Kji applied..astronomers and psychologists has approved this. Bye Balaji GPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: Balaji ji, It would be great if you can supplement it with some example. Also are you using this method for birth time rectification regularly? Theoretically even I believe that it should work but I have not done any serious study on it. Regards, Punit Pandey On 5/25/05, Balaji G.krishnan <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Vijayji First analyse the ascendent,that is you.....whether it describes very clearly about you..your physique,nature,behaviour...rugged or cool or beautiful,etc. If any affection in this that should also be checked. Then go to mother..4th bhava.....check the star lord and sub lord..these planets should 100% be your mother's birth Ruling planet..moon sign or star lord. Then father...then elder brother....then wife(if married)....then son or daughter. Like wise their physique and nature can also be specified clearly.Thats why it is called scientific.As I told already these concepts well tested and certified. If a person does not gets the result it is not the fault of the system but the view or perception..Attitude decides the altitude. Go ahead. You can check as i told..if not getting correctly for all the cases.check again whether the sublord of these cusps....1,4,7,9,11 are conjoined with any planets or aspected by any.then decide to alter the sublord by just moving before or after few minute. till u climb up the ladder IT LOOKS taller..thats the task.once you arrived the exact..correct time there the satisfaction and u can understand the greatness of this system and our great guruji KSK. With thanks and regards Balaji G vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Punit Pandey Though I am not an expert and only a learner of KP Astrology, I tried in few cases the following. 1) Blood relatives - Here if a person has many number of brothers and sisters and children and tried with different combination the results are not the same. 2) If the relationship between Ascendant sub and moon lord is established and when we try with close relative concept I get different result. As i am not an expert other experts may try and give appropriate method. Regards Vijay Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Friends,In my opinion, instead of trying to find out the relation between one's ascendant and Moon, we should try to find out the relation between parents' 5th house and one's ascendant. Also we can use other close relatives like brother and sister for birth time rectification. It is just an idea and I have never tested it. But my educated guess says that it can be useful method of rectification. For example, we can use cuspal position of 5th house and 5th house significators in parent's chart for fixing the ascendant of native.Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > Dear All,> > > 1. Nobody has monolpoly in the astrlogy as said by Guruji KSK. I do > belive many of us are here to learn and contribute what ever we can > for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK with open mind but not with > blind faith.> > 2. That is why I personally request Kanakji to continue the good > deed of contribution with open mind for the benefits of KP learners > in this group. > > 3. In stead of diverting attention here and there, let us stick and > finish this issue of the connection between ASC sublord and MOON > starlord for birth time rectification. > > 4. In the following case of Bill Gate's chart, is the above rule is > the same for: > > a) TOB 21:01:20 and > c) TOB 22:00:00 > because Asc Sbl and Moon Stl are the same Saturn? > > 5. If so, how can this rule be reliable?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Bill Gates, 28 Oct 1955, Fr, Seattle, WA, USA, 47N36, 122W20, NKPA > 23:09:01, KPAstro 2.1> > > a) TOB 21:01:20 PM PST (8:00 west)> > Rectified by V.K. Choudhry, "Astrlogy for Life" by David Hawthorne , > V.K. Choudhry, 2000, p 170 (The chart is shown on the cover of the > book.)> http://www.astroview.com/c_gates.html> > Sid Time 23:19:02, Bal Dasa: Saturn 3y:0m:18d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-50-56 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-31-37 Ju-Sa-Ra-Su > Mar 166-56-32 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-24-39 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-43 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-01-49 Ve-Ju-Ve-Su> Sat 208-26-12 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-24 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-24 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-19 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-25 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-40 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 235-36-57 Ma-Me-Ra-Me > > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 082-19-57 Me-Ju-Sa-Me> 2 099-35-00 Mo-Sa-Ve-Sa> 3 119-31-22 Mo-Me-Sa-Ra> 4 145-42-29 Su-Ve-Me-Sa > 5 182-04-46 Ve-Ma-Ke-Su> 6 225-36-57 Ma-Sa-Ju-Me> 7 262-19-57 Ju-Ve-Sa-Me> 8 279-35-00 Sa-Su-Ve-Me> 9 299-31-22 Sa-Ma-Sa-Ra> 10 325-42-29 Sa-Ju-Me-Sa > 11 002-04-46 Ma-Ke-Ve-Ju> 12 045-36-57 Ve-Mo-Ju-Ra> > > > > > b)TOB 21:15 PM> > Getulio Bittencourt quotes James Wallace and Jim Erickson, "Hard > Drive, Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire," John > Wiley and Sons Inc, NY, 1992, p.10, for 9:15 PM.> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/gates.htm> http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astrology/billgates.htm > http://astrology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?> site= http://www.thezodiac.com/bill.ht> > Sid Time 23:32:44, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:10m:9d> > > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-51-30 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 344-39-35 Ju-Sa-Ra-Mo > Mar 166-56-54 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo> Mer 173-25-12 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-37-47 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-02-32 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-16 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-23 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 056-19-23 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 085-04-09 Me-Ju-Me-Ra> 2 102-20-59 Mo-Sa-Ma-Ju > 3 122-37-48 Su-Ke-Ve-Me> 4 149-25-37 Su-Su-Ra-Ra> 5 186-18-22 Ve-Ma-Mo-Me> 6 229-17-21 Ma-Me-Ke-Me> 7 265-04-09 Ju-Ve-Me-Ra> 8 282-20-59 Sa-Mo-Ra-Ju > 9 302-37-48 Sa-Ma-Ke-Me> > > c) TOB 22:00 PM> > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Cindy Rempel > quotes him at a Microsoft function in Seattle; he was sure that it > was right on 10:00 PM or within the minute.> http://www.astro.com/samples/phe/?lang=s > http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/billgates.htm> http://www.lynbirkbeck.com/samples/bill_gates_star_soul_guide.pdf#sea > rch='Bill%20Gates%20horoscope'> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001197.HT > > Sid Time 00:17:52, Bal Dasa: Saturn 2y:2m:25d> > Plt D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> Sun 191-53-22 Ve-Ra-Sa-Ma> Moo 345-05-53 Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju> Mar 166-58-06 Me-Mo-Sa-Mo > Mer 173-27-02 Me-Ma-Ma-Ra> Jup 124-38-03 Su-Ke-Mo-Ve> Ven 207-04-52 Ve-Ju-Ve-Mo> Sat 208-26-29 Ve-Ju-Ve-Me> Rah 236-19-17 Ma-Me-Ju-Ju> Ket 026-19-17 Ve-Ma-Ju-Ju> Ura 099-08-20 Mo-Sa-Ve-Ra> Nep 185-05-30 Ve-Ma-Su-Ra> Plu 125-11-42 Su-Ke-Ma-Me> For 247-01-11 Ju-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > Bv D-M-S Sgl-Stl-Ssl> 1 093-48-40 Mo-Sa-Sa-Me> 2 111-26-04 Mo-Me-Ve-Ke> 3 132-58-18 Su-Ke-Me-Ju> 4 161-42-52 Me-Mo-Ma-Ve > 5 199-44-49 Ve-Ra-Ma-Ke> 6 240-37-42 Ju-Ke-Ke-Sa> 7 273-48-40 Sa-Su-Sa-Ve> 8 291-26-04 Sa-Mo-Ve-Ra> 9 312-58-18 Sa-Ra-Me-Ve> 10 341-42-52 Ju-Sa-Mo-Me > 11 019-44-49 Ma-Ve-Ra-Su> 12 060-37-42 Me-Ma-Me-Ve> > > > > , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" > <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Dear Shri.Raichur,> > Thank you very much for the good example. As a student of KP > system, > > when I encounter such cases, I will try to figure out how one > > astrologer was correct and the other not so correct. In this > > example, how could you guess that the person did not intend to > marry > > the lady? It cannot be that "it just came to you". Surely you saw > a > > pattern in the horoscope that gave a clue? If this pattern is > > encountered in another horoscope, I suppose the response will be > > similar. This becomes a part of the KP rule set. Many such > patterns > > are discovered through experience and if these are verified and > > documented, anyone can apply these with good results. Over a > period > > of time we will "produce" good astrologers, who will achieve, say > > 80% success rate without much difficulty.> > > > This type of pattern discovery and using it widely is happening in > > many disciplines, including the one I am most comfortable with - > > Computer Science. It is my fond hope that senior KP astrologers > > (senior by knowledge and experience, not by age) will contribute > to > > such a growth of KP system.> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > > > Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own > > experience with the > > > > > > Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is > > given as a problem> > > > > > or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken > > engagement/ a muhurta > > > > > > postphoponed etc. > > > > > > Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the > > client, "Had you any > > > > > > trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ?" The client > > truthfully answered "NO"> > > > > > I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him "This lady is > > not the one you> > > > > > intented to marry ? " . he said "yes. I intended to marry > another > > girl but was> > > > > > persuaded by my parents, not to proceed ". > > > > > > Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers > guessing, > > different> > > > > > results of the rule. So I say "astrology is not merely rules, > but > > something addedd "> > > > > > Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is > ones > > opinion formed > > > > > > after lot of experience. > > > > > > Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. > We > > all accept that> > > > > > rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain "WHY > > THEY WORK ". We are not> > > > > > questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the > > why. We have to> > > > > > state "IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO." > > > > > > i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE > > OFFENDED BY ANY> > > > > > OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony : Find your life partner online. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2005 Dear Rangarajanji In Ruling Planets,lagna sign lord means the RP lagna sign lord and it has to be used to fix the birth lagna lord. As mentioned in the RP secrets and rectification of birth time,Ruling planets and K.P.... Lagna star lord at the time of judgement is very powerful and its given always the first preference.Lagna sign lord as No.2 Moon star lord is as equal to Lagna star lord and this can be NO.3 and atlast Moon sign lord.Any planet in lagna is very powerful at the time of taking RP. Give first preference to that planet as equal to Lagna star lord. So five planets plus any planet tenanting the lagna plus aspecting the lagna..conjoined with lagna star lord and atlast nodes as they are associated. Thus taking down all the Planets for the first time.Try to fix the lagna sign lord first which is most probable as birth time.Then,lagna star lord as per the order of strength,then sub lord and atlast lagna sub-sub. Lagna sub lord and the other cusp can be first checked with other events and rules as told before.If it passes all the test atleast 80% then,we can be sure be that the time is very near to arrive. Then set the moon position like star-sub-and sub-sub. The lagna sign lord at the time of RP will mostly be the Birth lagna sub-sub lord.Reference:III reader..Page No.507 If Rahu/kethu comes in to picture by placing in lagna or star lord of lagna..they are in the birth lagna or star lord of moon by any means. Thus,rectification is a very detailed work and its a seperate subject in astrology...With excellent skill and experience a person can be correct mostly in getting a right time.God's blessing is always needed at the top of all essentials for a successful astrologer as u all know. Hope I can give you sufficient inputs on rectification which I know.As I told before I am also on the way of learning K.P day-by-day Anything,pls reply. With regards Balaji G Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Balaji,Mr.Vijay Kumar is asking for the elaborate procedure. I am sure it will help everyone.Can you be a little more detailed - with an example?You have said:<Quote>Lagna sign lord mostly will be the Lagna Sub-sub or Moon's sign lord.So,First decide the approximate time of birth.then go for tuning by fixing lagna sign..lagna star...lagna sub and lagna sub-sub later.Step by step.If ascendent is satisfactorily..100% fixed then 90% job is over moon will easily set in its position. Got it??<End Quote>There are two sets of planets - one is the RP set and the other is the planets at birth time. When you say "lagna sign lord", is it the RP lagna sublord or birth lagna sublord? Suppose you were to explain to a beginner in KP system, how will you explain?Regards,Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
