Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Vijay I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS. Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct. vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Anant Raichur, DOB 29th August 1953 Time of Birth 22.30 Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai Thank you in advance Vijaanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Vijay You are confusing yourself: What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your problem can be solved> vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear friends, Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case. VijayYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: X --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Mr Anant raichur Thank you very much for confirmation of birth time. Vijayanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Vijay I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS. Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct. vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Anant Raichur, DOB 29th August 1953 Time of Birth 22.30 Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai Thank you in advance Vijaanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Vijay You are confusing yourself: What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your problem can be solved> vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear friends, Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case. VijayYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: X --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right? ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. ---------DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) ---------Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? REGARDS KANAK>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Vijay>>I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.>>Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say>>Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,>>DOB 29th August 1953>>Time of Birth 22.30>>Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai>>Thank you in advance>>Vija>>anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:>Dear Vijay>>You are confusing yourself:>>What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your>>problem can be solved>>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear friends,>>Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.>>Vijay>>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>X>>>--------->A.R.Raichur bombay>anant_1608raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY>tel: 022-2506 2609>--------->>>>>>>>>>> Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Mr.Kanak Bosmia Good explanation. Then it leads an astrologer to check up events like children birth, marriage, profession, etc before confirm the birth time. Another point is based on gender check provided by few software is it possible to arrive at correct time. I have a question on marriage as it took place during Mars Dasa on 23rd march 1980. Though Moon is in the star of Venus owner of 2 and 7th house stationed at 3rd house. Regards VijayKanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right? ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. ---------DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) ---------Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? REGARDS KANAK>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Vijay>>I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.>>Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say>>Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,>>DOB 29th August 1953>>Time of Birth 22.30>>Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai>>Thank you in advance>>Vija>>anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:>Dear Vijay>>You are confusing yourself:>>What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your>>problem can be solved>>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear friends,>>Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.>>Vijay>>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>X>>>--------->A.R.Raichur bombay>anant_1608raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY>tel: 022-2506 2609>--------->>>>>>>>>>> Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Kanakji Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual. It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why?? Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman. Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our birth,features,etc...a vital one. If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is totally illogical and impossible. With thanks and regards Balaji GopalakrishnanKanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right? ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. ---------DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) ---------Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? REGARDS KANAK>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Vijay>>I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.>>Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say>>Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,>>DOB 29th August 1953>>Time of Birth 22.30>>Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai>>Thank you in advance>>Vija>>anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:>Dear Vijay>>You are confusing yourself:>>What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your>>problem can be solved>>>>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>Dear friends,>>Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.>>Vijay>>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>X>>>--------->A.R.Raichur bombay>anant_1608raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY>tel: 022-2506 2609>--------->>>>>>>>>>> Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Vijay ji, than you very mutch. Atleast one member can undestand my point. RP theory is right and Ranagarajan ji introduce Grander base theory. regards kanak>vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 01:07:09 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Mr.Kanak Bosmia>>Good explanation. Then it leads an astrologer to check up events like children birth, marriage, profession, etc before confirm the birth time. Another point is based on gender check provided by few software is it possible to arrive at correct time. I have a question on marriage as it took place during Mars Dasa on 23rd march 1980. Though Moon is in the star of Venus owner of 2 and 7th house stationed at 3rd house.>>Regards>>Vijay>>Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:>>Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,>>Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.>> now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right?>>ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.>>--------->DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.>SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END>MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)>MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :>MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END>MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)>JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)>VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END>SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END>RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end>KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end>URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END>NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END>MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)>>--------->>Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?>>YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?>>REGARDS>>KANAK>>>> >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > >Re: birth time check> >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> >> >Dear Vijay> >> >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> >> >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> >> >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> >> >DOB 29th August 1953> >> >Time of Birth 22.30> >> >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> >> >Thank you in advance> >> >Vija> >> >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> >Dear Vijay> >> >You are confusing yourself:> >> >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your> >> >problem can be solved>> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear friends,> >> >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> >> >Vijay> >> >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> >X> >> >> >---------> >A.R.Raichur bombay> >anant_1608 >raichuranant >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> >tel: 022-2506 2609> >---------> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Kanakji The question is is KETU , the Asc Lord connected with Venus the Moon Star Lord? The question is NOT is Venus connected to other planets ? . As I have said this is a secondary check to the Check of R.Ps. Now get some details of events and check whethet BT is correct/or not. good luck --- vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > Dear Mr.Kanak Bosmia > > Good explanation. Then it leads an astrologer to check up events like children birth, > marriage, profession, etc before confirm the birth time. Another point is based on > gender check provided by few software is it possible to arrive at correct time. I have > a question on marriage as it took place during Mars Dasa on 23rd march 1980. Though > Moon is in the star of Venus owner of 2 and 7th house stationed at 3rd house. > > Regards > > Vijay > > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, > > Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. > > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not > more that 9 Am i right? > > ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. > > --------- > DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END > MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14) > MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : > MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END > MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43) > JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26) > VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END > SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END > RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end > KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end > URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END > NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END > MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) > > --------- > > Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN > RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is > in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then > how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? > > YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY > MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? > > REGARDS > > KANAK > > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 > > > > > >Re: birth time check > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Dear Vijay > > > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS. > > > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say > > > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct. > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur, > > > >DOB 29th August 1953 > > > >Time of Birth 22.30 > > > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai > > > >Thank you in advance > > > >Vija > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: > >Dear Vijay > > > >You are confusing yourself: > > > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected > in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your > birth Your > > > >problem can be solved> > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > >Dear friends, > > > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime > verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with > venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu > sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust > time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case. > > > >Vijay > > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > >X > > > > > >--------- > >A.R.Raichur bombay > >anant_1608 > >raichuranant > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > >tel: 022-2506 2609 > >--------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Raichur ji, many thanks for your reply.please continue discution till we come to one point where we all are agree. OK Now we check from KET. If We go beck then SUB is MER and MER is sublord of VEN.ok now we check next sub is SUN. SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. Now how can we select out of this three? regards kanak>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 04:31:09 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Kanakji>>The question is is KETU , the Asc Lord connected with Venus the Moon Star Lord?>>The question is NOT is Venus connected to other planets ? . As I have said this is a>>secondary check to the Check of R.Ps.>>Now get some details of events and check whethet BT is correct/or not.>>good luck>>--- vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:>> > Dear Mr.Kanak Bosmia> >> > Good explanation. Then it leads an astrologer to check up events like children birth,> > marriage, profession, etc before confirm the birth time. Another point is based on> > gender check provided by few software is it possible to arrive at correct time. I have> > a question on marriage as it took place during Mars Dasa on 23rd march 1980. Though> > Moon is in the star of Venus owner of 2 and 7th house stationed at 3rd house.> >> > Regards> >> > Vijay> >> > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> >> > Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,> >> > Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.> >> > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not> > more that 9 Am i right?> >> > ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.> >> > ---------> > DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.> > SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END> > MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)> > MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :> > MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END> > MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)> > JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)> > VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END> > SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END> > RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end> > KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end> > URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END> > NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END> > MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)> >> > ---------> >> > Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN> > RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is> > in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then> > how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?> >> > YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY> > MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?> >> > REGARDS> >> > KANAK> >> >> >> > >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check> > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> > >> > >Dear Vijay> > >> > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> > >> > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> > >> > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> > >> > >> > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> > >> > >DOB 29th August 1953> > >> > >Time of Birth 22.30> > >> > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> > >> > >Thank you in advance> > >> > >Vija> > >> > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> > >Dear Vijay> > >> > >You are confusing yourself:> > >> > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected> > in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your> > birth Your> > >> > >problem can be solved>> > >> > >> > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > >Dear friends,> > >> > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime> > verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with> > venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu> > sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust> > time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> > >> > >Vijay> > >> > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > >X> > >> > >> > >---------> > >A.R.Raichur bombay> > >anant_1608 > >raichuranant > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> > >tel: 022-2506 2609> > >---------> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!> >> > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2005 Dear Balaji, I am very happy that now more members are come in this discoussion. Try to understand my point. Rules is anyway conection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all this 9 planet anyway conected with moons starlord everyday.please check. If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same result. What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9) conection with Moon star.(anyway conection). regards kanak>"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST)>>Dear Kanakji>>Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual.>>It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why??>>Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman.>>Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our birth,features,etc...a vital one.>>If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is totally illogical and impossible.>>>With thanks and regards>Balaji Gopalakrishnan>>Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:>>Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,>>Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.>> now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right?>>ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.>>--------->DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.>SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END>MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)>MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :>MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END>MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)>JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)>VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END>SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END>RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end>KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end>URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END>NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END>MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)>>--------->>Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?>>YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?>>REGARDS>>KANAK>>>> >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > >Re: birth time check> >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> >> >Dear Vijay> >> >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> >> >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> >> >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> >> >DOB 29th August 1953> >> >Time of Birth 22.30> >> >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> >> >Thank you in advance> >> >Vija> >> >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> >Dear Vijay> >> >You are confusing yourself:> >> >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your> >> >problem can be solved>> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear friends,> >> >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> >> >Vijay> >> >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> >X> >> >> >---------> >A.R.Raichur bombay> >anant_1608 >raichuranant >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> >tel: 022-2506 2609> >---------> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Friends, Regarding this question of Birth Time Rectification espoused in Astro Secrets Part 2 page 80, I have carried out a little experiment. I generated 10 fictitious birth dates and times by using the Random Generator at http://www.randomizer.org/form.htm I used for the place the small village in England where I grew up and there wouldn't have been more than 3 births a year. In EVERY case there was a link between the Moon's Star Lord and the Asc Sub Lord. What's more, I didn't have to go deep into the Subs they were all immediately recognizable. In fact 3 of the Asc Sub Lords were the Star Lord himself. This is an easy and quick experiment to carry out. I doubt whether anyone would EVER find No connection between the Asc Sub Lord and Moon's Star Lord. I therefore totally concur with Kanak it is not a valid method of verifying the Time of Birth. Ron Gaunt On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:29:55 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Balaji, I am very happy that now more members are come in this discussion. Try to understand my point. Rules is anyway connection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all this 9 planet anyway connected with moons starlord everyday.please check. If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same result. What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9) conection with Moon star.(anyway conection). regards kanak > " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan > > >Re: birth time check >Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST) > >Dear Kanakji > >Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual. > >It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why?? > >Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman. > >Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our birth,features,etc...a vital one. > >If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is totally illogical and impossible. > > >With thanks and regards >Balaji Gopalakrishnan > >Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > >Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, > >Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. > > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right? > >ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. > >--------- >DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. >SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END >MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14) >MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : >MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END >MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43) >JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26) >VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END >SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END >RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end >KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end >URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END >NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END >MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) > >--------- > >Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? > >YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? > >REGARDS > >KANAK > > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 > > > > > >Re: birth time check > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Dear Vijay > > > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS. > > > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say > > > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct. > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur, > > > >DOB 29th August 1953 > > > >Time of Birth 22.30 > > > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai > > > >Thank you in advance > > > >Vija > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: > >Dear Vijay > > > >You are confusing yourself: > > > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your > > > >problem can be solved> > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > >Dear friends, > > > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case. > > > >Vijay > > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > >X > > > > > >--------- > >A.R.Raichur bombay > >anant_1608 > >raichuranant > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > >tel: 022-2506 2609 > >--------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Kanak, In my humble opinion,on p.237,Astrsecrets & K.P., it is clearly written,that(pt.5),if the sublord of the Ascendant is also the st.lord of the Moon...the horoscope erected is correct... I have always been using this principle only,and not "connected in any way to the Moon's starlord..." ,and I have been quite successful so far...in arriving at the correct birth-time...could it have been ver fortuitous that this happenned with me...? Kindly refer to my discussions with Mr.Raichur,on this issue,quite some time back on this issue...in this forum itself... Kindly inform your findings on this method...in a rare case it can happen however,that that particular sub rising has already passed,and will not rise till the next day...only then perhaps,we should consider Rahu/Kethu of Planets POWERFULLY aspecting the sub-lord,or perhaops the pklanet in the star & sub of the the sublord under conasideration...? Awaiting your response... Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Balaji, I am very happy that now more members are come in this discoussion. Try to understand my point. Rules is anyway conection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all this 9 planet anyway conected with moons starlord everyday.please check. If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same result. What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9) conection with Moon star.(anyway conection). regards kanak>"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST)>>Dear Kanakji>>Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual.>>It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why??>>Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman.>>Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our birth,features,etc...a vital one.>>If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is totally illogical and impossible.>>>With thanks and regards>Balaji Gopalakrishnan>>Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:>>Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,>>Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.>> now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not more that 9 Am i right?>>ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.>>--------->DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.>SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END>MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)>MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :>MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END>MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)>JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)>VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END>SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END>RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end>KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end>URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END>NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END>MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)>>--------->>Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?>>YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?>>REGARDS>>KANAK>>>> >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > >Re: birth time check> >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> >> >Dear Vijay> >> >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> >> >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> >> >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> >> >DOB 29th August 1953> >> >Time of Birth 22.30> >> >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> >> >Thank you in advance> >> >Vija> >> >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> >Dear Vijay> >> >You are confusing yourself:> >> >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your birth Your> >> >problem can be solved>> >> >> >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> >Dear friends,> >> >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> >> >Vijay> >> >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> >X> >> >> >---------> >A.R.Raichur bombay> >anant_1608 >raichuranant >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> >tel: 022-2506 2609> >---------> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Kanakji Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion? --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear Kanak, > In my humble opinion,on p.237,Astrsecrets & K.P., it is clearly > written,that(pt.5),if the sublord of the Ascendant is also the st.lord of the > Moon...the horoscope erected is correct... > I have always been using this principle only,and not " connected in > any way to the Moon's starlord... " ,and I have been quite successful so far...in > arriving at the correct birth-time...could it have been ver fortuitous that this > happenned with me...? > Kindly refer to my discussions with Mr.Raichur,on this issue,quite > some time back on this issue...in this forum itself... > Kindly inform your findings on this method...in a rare case it can > happen however,that that particular sub rising has already passed,and will not rise > till the next day...only then perhaps,we should consider Rahu/Kethu of Planets > POWERFULLY aspecting the sub-lord,or perhaops the pklanet in the star & sub of the the > sublord under conasideration...? > Awaiting your response... > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > I am very happy that now more members are come in this discoussion. > > Try to understand my point. > > Rules is anyway conection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all > this 9 planet anyway conected with moons starlord everyday.please check. > > If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same > result. > > What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you > found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9) > conection with Moon star.(anyway conection). > > regards > > kanak > > > > > > > " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan > > > > > >Re: birth time check > >Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST) > > > >Dear Kanakji > > > >Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are > right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual. > > > >It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why?? > > > >Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman. > > > >Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected > then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our > birth,features,etc...a vital one. > > > >If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub > which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is > totally illogical and impossible. > > > > > >With thanks and regards > >Balaji Gopalakrishnan > > > >Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > > > >Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji, > > > >Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is. > > > > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not > more that 9 Am i right? > > > >ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets. > > > >--------- > >DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S. > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > >SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END > >MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14) > >MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar : > >MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END > >MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43) > >JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26) > >VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END > >SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END > >RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end > >KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end > >URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END > >NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END > >MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04) > > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12) > > > >--------- > > > >Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN > RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is > in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then > how can we say that particular KET sub was only right? > > > >YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY > MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION? > > > >REGARDS > > > >KANAK > > > > > > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 > > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check > > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Dear Vijay > > > > > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS. > > > > > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say > > > > > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct. > > > > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur, > > > > > >DOB 29th August 1953 > > > > > >Time of Birth 22.30 > > > > > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai > > > > > >Thank you in advance > > > > > >Vija > > > > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: > > >Dear Vijay > > > > > >You are confusing yourself: > > > > > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected > in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your > birth Your > > > > > >problem can be solved> > > > > > > > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: > > >Dear friends, > > > > > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime > verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with > venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu > sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust > time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case. > > > > > >Vijay > > > > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > >X > > > > > > > > >--------- > > >A.R.Raichur bombay > > >anant_1608 > > >raichuranant > > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > > >tel: 022-2506 2609 > > >--------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Shri Raichur ji, i am very upset after read your mail. and this is my last mail to this group.( i am not leaving this group but never write anithing to this group) You are most senior KP astrologer and you dont know what respect for you in my heart. RP is tested by all KP astrologer and work 101% we all know. i dont know any one who complain about RP. If you dont want to cofess about this rules its ok but still i am on my point that THIS RULES NOT WORK.any one can check. i dont undestand why you camper this rule with RP. now some one ask Why SUB work? I have no answer. thnks & regards] kanak>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 22:44:58 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Kanakji>>Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an>>esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you>>explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion?>>>--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> > Dear Kanak,> > In my humble opinion,on p.237,Astrsecrets & K.P., it is clearly> > written,that(pt.5),if the sublord of the Ascendant is also the st.lord of the> > Moon...the horoscope erected is correct...> > I have always been using this principle only,and not "connected in> > any way to the Moon's starlord..." ,and I have been quite successful so far...in> > arriving at the correct birth-time...could it have been ver fortuitous that this> > happenned with me...?> > Kindly refer to my discussions with Mr.Raichur,on this issue,quite> > some time back on this issue...in this forum itself...> > Kindly inform your findings on this method...in a rare case it can> > happen however,that that particular sub rising has already passed,and will not rise> > till the next day...only then perhaps,we should consider Rahu/Kethu of Planets> > POWERFULLY aspecting the sub-lord,or perhaops the pklanet in the star & sub of the the> > sublord under conasideration...?> > Awaiting your response...> > Yours sincerely,> > L.Y.Rao.> >> > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> >> > Dear Balaji,> >> > I am very happy that now more members are come in this discoussion.> >> > Try to understand my point.> >> > Rules is anyway conection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all> > this 9 planet anyway conected with moons starlord everyday.please check.> >> > If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same> > result.> >> > What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you> > found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9)> > conection with Moon star.(anyway conection).> >> > regards> >> > kanak> >> >> >> >> >> > >"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check> > >Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST)> > >> > >Dear Kanakji> > >> > >Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are> > right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual.> > >> > >It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why??> > >> > >Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman.> > >> > >Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected> > then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our> > birth,features,etc...a vital one.> > >> > >If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub> > which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is> > totally illogical and impossible.> > >> > >> > >With thanks and regards> > >Balaji Gopalakrishnan> > >> > >Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> > >> > >Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,> > >> > >Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.> > >> > > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not> > more that 9 Am i right?> > >> > >ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.> > >> > >---------> > >DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.> > >SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END> > >MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)> > >MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :> > >MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END> > >MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)> > >JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)> > >VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END> > >SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END> > >RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end> > >KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end> > >URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END> > >NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END> > >MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> > > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)> > >> > >---------> > >> > >Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN> > RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is> > in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then> > how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?> > >> > >YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY> > MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?> > >> > >REGARDS> > >> > >KANAK> > >> > >> > >> > > >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check> > > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> > > >> > > >Dear Vijay> > > >> > > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> > > >> > > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> > > >> > > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> > > >> > > >> > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> > > >> > > >DOB 29th August 1953> > > >> > > >Time of Birth 22.30> > > >> > > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> > > >> > > >Thank you in advance> > > >> > > >Vija> > > >> > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> > > >Dear Vijay> > > >> > > >You are confusing yourself:> > > >> > > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected> > in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your> > birth Your> > > >> > > >problem can be solved>> > > >> > > >> > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > > >Dear friends,> > > >> > > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime> > verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with> > venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu> > sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust> > time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> > > >> > > >Vijay> > > >> > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > >X> > > >> > > >> > > >---------> > > >A.R.Raichur bombay> > > >anant_1608 > > >raichuranant > > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> > > >tel: 022-2506 2609> > > >---------> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!> > >> > >> > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Shri.Raichur, With due respect, I wish to comment on your reply to Kanak. Please understand I mean no offence. I partly agree that astrology is a " divine science " . I think we should understand these two words correctly. Here is my view: Let us take " science " first. If a subject is called a science then (among other things) a) there should be a set of axioms and inference rules and b) there should be repeatability (a) Says that the principles must be transparent and anyone should be " able to " apply them (b) " Anyone " who applies these principles " anytime " must get the same results Let us now come to the first part - " divine " . In my view this means that " how " someone comes up with the required axioms and inference rules need not be transparent. It could be that " God " just " spoke " to someone and he wrote down the rules. I view RPs in this light. It is as if KSK just said " Don't ask me any questions - blindly follow what I say " . There is no problem with that. But the crucial part is " repeatability " . Whether Shri.Raichur analyses a chart or Shri.Kanak does, the result must be the same, provided they follow the axioms and inference rules correctly. For this to happen, the theoretical foundation must be unambiguously and precisely formulated. In my VERY LIMITED study and understanding of KP system, there is some weakness here. Different people follow different principles and each says it works for him/her. In conclusion, I am of the view that KP system is perhaps " divine " , but not yet " science " . Sorry if I have offended any member. That wasn't the intention. Regards, Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an > > esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you > > explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Ron, An excellent experiment! I would like you to take a look at the file I have uploaded today and tell me what you think. Regards, Rangarajan , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Friends, > > Regarding this question of Birth Time Rectification espoused in > Astro Secrets Part 2 page 80, I have carried out a little > experiment. > > I generated 10 fictitious birth dates and times by using the > Random Generator at http://www.randomizer.org/form.htm > I used for the place the small village in England where I grew up > and there wouldn't have been more than 3 births a year. > > In EVERY case there was a link between the Moon's Star Lord > and the Asc Sub Lord. What's more, I didn't have to go deep > into the Subs they were all immediately recognizable. In fact 3 > of the Asc Sub Lords were the Star Lord himself. > > This is an easy and quick experiment to carry out. I doubt > whether anyone would EVER find No connection between the > Asc Sub Lord and Moon's Star Lord. > > I therefore totally concur with Kanak it is not a valid method > of verifying the Time of Birth. > > > Ron Gaunt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Mr.Rangarajan and Kanakji, It is good more & more persons are commenting on birth time rectification and this may lead to new findings by one of kp followers. These arguments are not meant to provoke any individuals but to get clear clarification on the point discussed. Vijay Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Raichur,With due respect, I wish to comment on your reply to Kanak. Please understand I mean no offence.I partly agree that astrology is a "divine science". I think we should understand these two words correctly. Here is my view: Let us take "science" first. If a subject is called a science then (among other things) a) there should be a set of axioms and inference rules andb) there should be repeatability(a) Says that the principles must be transparent and anyone should be "able to" apply them(b) "Anyone" who applies these principles "anytime" must get the same resultsLet us now come to the first part - "divine". In my view this means that "how" someone comes up with the required axioms and inference rules need not be transparent. It could be that "God" just "spoke" to someone and he wrote down the rules. I view RPs in this light. It is as if KSK just said "Don't ask me any questions - blindly follow what I say". There is no problem with that. But the crucial part is "repeatability". Whether Shri.Raichur analyses a chart or Shri.Kanak does, the result must be the same, provided they follow the axioms and inference rules correctly. For this to happen, the theoretical foundation must be unambiguously and precisely formulated. In my VERY LIMITED study and understanding of KP system, there is some weakness here. Different people follow different principles and each says it works for him/her.In conclusion, I am of the view that KP system is perhaps "divine", but not yet "science".Sorry if I have offended any member. That wasn't the intention.Regards,Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> Dear Kanakji> > Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an > > esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you> > explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion? ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Rangarajan You have said " anyone " should be able to get the same results, if he applies the principles " any time' " . One is not identical/similar to the other. Therefore in astrology, one may not get the same results as the other, inspite of applying the same rules. If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to a set of rules and answers, and computerised. Any how that is my personal view. good luck --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Shri.Raichur, > With due respect, I wish to comment on your reply to Kanak. Please > understand I mean no offence. > > I partly agree that astrology is a " divine science " . I think we should > understand these two words correctly. Here is my view: Let us > take " science " first. If a subject is called a science then (among > other things) > a) there should be a set of axioms and inference rules and > b) there should be repeatability > > (a) Says that the principles must be transparent and anyone should > be " able to " apply them > (b) " Anyone " who applies these principles " anytime " must get the same > results > > Let us now come to the first part - " divine " . In my view this means > that " how " someone comes up with the required axioms and inference > rules need not be transparent. It could be that " God " just " spoke " to > someone and he wrote down the rules. I view RPs in this light. It is > as if KSK just said " Don't ask me any questions - blindly follow what > I say " . There is no problem with that. But the crucial part > is " repeatability " . Whether Shri.Raichur analyses a chart or > Shri.Kanak does, the result must be the same, provided they follow the > axioms and inference rules correctly. For this to happen, the > theoretical foundation must be unambiguously and precisely formulated. > In my VERY LIMITED study and understanding of KP system, there is some > weakness here. Different people follow different principles and each > says it works for him/her. > > In conclusion, I am of the view that KP system is perhaps " divine " , > but not yet " science " . > > Sorry if I have offended any member. That wasn't the intention. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules > only. It is an > > > > esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of > Ruling Plaanets. Can you > > > > explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is > under disccussion? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Kanak, I am pained at the umbrage you have taken,on this issue...I guess everybody should put their heads down together,and come to the truth,or whatever that is "repeatable" as Rangarajan avers ... It is my humble opinion that the roots of "any conflict" arising are to be found whenever one attaches his ego to his opinion...! ! I urge you,Kanak,not to be overly sensitive...and perhaps, as is the case with me,it is difficult for some of us "old practitioners of K.P"., to easily accept that a rule we've used "faithfully" over the years...suddenly does not seem to work... ! Perhaps,it may be that we did not bother to check,and accepted as "this rule" as gospel truth... Therefore I urge you to understand the predicament of people like me...in this group...and not take umbrage at Mr.Raichur's comments... With regards, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Shri Raichur ji, i am very upset after read your mail. and this is my last mail to this group.( i am not leaving this group but never write anithing to this group) You are most senior KP astrologer and you dont know what respect for you in my heart. RP is tested by all KP astrologer and work 101% we all know. i dont know any one who complain about RP. If you dont want to cofess about this rules its ok but still i am on my point that THIS RULES NOT WORK.any one can check. i dont undestand why you camper this rule with RP. now some one ask Why SUB work? I have no answer. thnks & regards] kanak>anant raichur <anant_1608> > >Re: birth time check>Mon, 23 May 2005 22:44:58 -0700 (PDT)>>Dear Kanakji>>Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an>>esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you>>explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion?>>>--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> > Dear Kanak,> > In my humble opinion,on p.237,Astrsecrets & K.P., it is clearly> > written,that(pt.5),if the sublord of the Ascendant is also the st.lord of the> > Moon...the horoscope erected is correct...> > I have always been using this principle only,and not "connected in> > any way to the Moon's starlord..." ,and I have been quite successful so far...in> > arriving at the correct birth-time...could it have been ver fortuitous that this> > happenned with me...?> > Kindly refer to my discussions with Mr.Raichur,on this issue,quite> > some time back on this issue...in this forum itself...> > Kindly inform your findings on this method...in a rare case it can> > happen however,that that particular sub rising has already passed,and will not rise> > till the next day...only then perhaps,we should consider Rahu/Kethu of Planets> > POWERFULLY aspecting the sub-lord,or perhaops the pklanet in the star & sub of the the> > sublord under conasideration...?> > Awaiting your response...> > Yours sincerely,> > L.Y.Rao.> >> > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> >> > Dear Balaji,> >> > I am very happy that now more members are come in this discoussion.> >> > Try to understand my point.> >> > Rules is anyway conection with moons starlord. Asc sub is only 9. now my point is all> > this 9 planet anyway conected with moons starlord everyday.please check.> >> > If you check like Asc. side no problem check all Asc. sub with starlord you found same> > result.> >> > What i want to say and what you say are same. think over this metter by calculation you> > found everyday Asc sub's( please note that for all day sub are not more then 9)> > conection with Moon star.(anyway conection).> >> > regards> >> > kanak> >> >> >> >> >> > >"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check> > >Mon, 23 May 2005 09:17:51 +0100 (BST)> > >> > >Dear Kanakji> > >> > >Daily the Moon's star lord will be connected to any planet some manner.You are> > right,but we have to see the ascendant point of view of the individual.> > >> > >It should be related to the moon's star lord.Why??> > >> > >Lagna is our body and Moon is our soul.Lagna based on sun is atman.> > >> > >Sun signifies dad of the Universe in astrology and Moon as mother.When both connected> > then the karmic birth gets effect.So,Lagna Sublord is peak point in determining our> > birth,features,etc...a vital one.> > >> > >If lagna sub is related in any manner as it is transiting in the star/sub/sub-sub> > which is the star of moon..the birth occurs.We cannot fix it as only sub lord.It is> > totally illogical and impossible.> > >> > >> > >With thanks and regards> > >Balaji Gopalakrishnan> > >> > >Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> > >> > >Dear Shri Raichur ji, And Abhay ji,> > >> > >Ok. i am waiting for any example from any members and here is.> > >> > > now I prove that on 29th August 1953 Moon was in the star of VEN. Total sub are not> > more that 9 Am i right?> > >> > >ok now i prove connection with VEN with all planets.> > >> > >---------> > >DATE SATURDAY 29 8 1953 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 3 H. 57 M. 36 S.> > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.> > >SUN. 5 12 14 25 Sun Ket Mer : NO END> > >MOON 1 10 24 14 Mar Ket Sat : ends at 07:14)> > >MOON 1 1 17 35 26 Mar Ven Mar :> > >MARS 4 26 15 9 Moo Mer Jup : NO END> > >MERC 5 3 3 3 Sun Ket Sun : ends at 13:04)(Ket-Moo 26:43)> > >JUP. 2 29 55 59 Ven Mar Sat : ends at 17:26)> > >VEN. 4 5 37 44 Moo Sat Mer : NO END> > >SAT. 7 0 46 25 Ven Mar Mer : NO END> > >RAHU -R 10 8 14 48 Sat Sun Ven : NO end> > >KETU -R 4 8 14 48 Moo Sat Ven : NO end> > >URAN 3 28 23 0 Mer Jup Ven : NO END> > >NEPT 6 28 50 5 Mer Mar Sat : NO END> > >MOON:(Ket-Mer 10:17)(Ven-Ven 14:03)(Ven-Sun 15:11)(Ven-Moo 17:04)> > > (Ven-Mar 18:22)(Ven-Rah 21:43)(Ven-Jup 24:41)(Ven-Sat 28:12)> > >> > >---------> > >> > >Ven is in the sign of MOON star of SAT and sub of MER , KET and MAR are Conj. with VEN> > RAH aspected by VEN.JUP was in the sign of VEN. MOOn was in the star of VEN and SUN is> > in the star of KET and KET was agent of VEN. so all the p planet conected with VEN then> > how can we say that particular KET sub was only right?> > >> > >YOU CAN FOUND ANYWAY CONNECTION WITH STAR LORD EVERYDAY. I DONOT UNDERSTAND WAY ANY> > MEMBER NOT CHECK AND GIVE HIS OPINION?> > >> > >REGARDS> > >> > >KANAK> > >> > >> > >> > > >anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > > > > > > > > >Re: birth time check> > > >Sun, 22 May 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)> > > >> > > >Dear Vijay> > > >> > > >I cast your chart. Your Asc su Lord is KETU. The Moon star Lord is VENUS.> > > >> > > >Ketu is conjoint with Venus, ans so Represents VENUS. So in your case one can say> > > >> > > >Asc sub Lord is Directly connected to Moon Star Lord. So your Birt Time is correct.> > > >> > > >> > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > > >Dear Mr.Anant Raichur,> > > >> > > >DOB 29th August 1953> > > >> > > >Time of Birth 22.30> > > >> > > >Place of birth - T'Nagar, Chennai> > > >> > > >Thank you in advance> > > >> > > >Vija> > > >> > > >anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:> > > >Dear Vijay> > > >> > > >You are confusing yourself:> > > >> > > >What is the Sublord of Asc: What is the Star Lord of Moon. Is the asc sl connected> > in any way to the Moon star lord. Houses are not involved. IF you send details of your> > birth Your> > > >> > > >problem can be solved>> > > >> > > >> > > >vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote:> > > >Dear friends,> > > >> > > >Is it alright if star lord of ascendant is moon starlord to check birthtime> > verification? In my horoscope the sub lord of ascendant(Aries) is Kethu which is with> > venus in cancer sign bu in 3rd house.Ascendant is Mars sign, Venus lord and kethu> > sublord. Moon is in Aries sign Venus lord and jup sublord in 12th house. If i adjust> > time it varies to a great extent. Can any one suggest how to rectify in this case.> > > >> > > >Vijay> > > >> > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > >X> > > >> > > >> > > >---------> > > >A.R.Raichur bombay> > > >anant_1608 > > >raichuranant > > >USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> > > >tel: 022-2506 2609> > > >---------> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE!> > >> > >> > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear friends, The term Divine Science might have been coined in defensive mode to promote astrology. The position/movement of planets [12 in numbers] are fixed. After 20 years ,on 24th May 2025 what is the position of each palnet is known. So this is science.[ Astronomy]. Fixation of timings, cusps also may become scientific. But the main [divine] promlem is of interpretation. Destiny of 7 billions of human are governed by these planets, each is different. It is impossible to get all the time, to 100% accurate and correct prediction. This is a divine problem. There may be some divine perpose for this. For example, if we try to change destiny with astrological predictions, these predictions may go wrong in some way or other. and we can see that in post martiem of the event. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > > You have said " anyone " should be able to get the same results, if he applies the > > principles " any time' " . One is not identical/similar to the other. Therefore in > > astrology, one may not get the same results as the other, inspite of applying the > > same rules. If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to a set of rules > > and answers, and computerised. > > Any how that is my personal view. > > good luck > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Dear Shri.Raichur, > > With due respect, I wish to comment on your reply to Kanak. Please > > understand I mean no offence. > > > > I partly agree that astrology is a " divine science " . I think we should > > understand these two words correctly. Here is my view: Let us > > take " science " first. If a subject is called a science then (among > > other things) > > a) there should be a set of axioms and inference rules and > > b) there should be repeatability > > > > (a) Says that the principles must be transparent and anyone should > > be " able to " apply them > > (b) " Anyone " who applies these principles " anytime " must get the same > > results > > > > Let us now come to the first part - " divine " . In my view this means > > that " how " someone comes up with the required axioms and inference > > rules need not be transparent. It could be that " God " just " spoke " to > > someone and he wrote down the rules. I view RPs in this light. It is > > as if KSK just said " Don't ask me any questions - blindly follow what > > I say " . There is no problem with that. But the crucial part > > is " repeatability " . Whether Shri.Raichur analyses a chart or > > Shri.Kanak does, the result must be the same, provided they follow the > > axioms and inference rules correctly. For this to happen, the > > theoretical foundation must be unambiguously and precisely formulated. > > In my VERY LIMITED study and understanding of KP system, there is some > > weakness here. Different people follow different principles and each > > says it works for him/her. > > > > In conclusion, I am of the view that KP system is perhaps " divine " , > > but not yet " science " . > > > > Sorry if I have offended any member. That wasn't the intention. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules > > only. It is an > > > > > > esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of > > Ruling Plaanets. Can you > > > > > > explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is > > under disccussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Shri.Raichur, I understand that person A is not identical to person B. However we expect that if both are professional astrologers, their analysis and prediction must be true for any chart they study. It is likely that as humans they may err, but assuming they are perfect, the results must be the same. Otherwise how will common man develop trust in astrology? Take the example of another " Science " - Mathematics. If a complex calculus problem is given to two mathematicians, don't we expect the same result? If there is a difference in result, then one of them is wrong, and it is possible to find out who is wrong because one can carefully solve the problem following clear principles. Your observation " If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to a set of rules and answers, and computerised " is almost correct. Is this a problem? Is that not a good thing? I have with me one of the world's most powerful mathematics programs ever developed (called " Mathematica " ). It solves many complex math problems that most humans will have trouble with, but that does not belittle mathematics. My view is that KP system can be systematized and formalized into a rigorous " scientific " discipline. This is not to say that the axioms and rules will be simple, but that repeatability and verifiability become possible even if the rule base is large. If someone were to develop a computational model of such a system, it will definitely be intriguing. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Rangarajan > > and answers, and computerised. , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > > You have said " anyone " should be able to get the same results, if he applies the > > principles " any time' " . One is not identical/similar to the other. Therefore in > > astrology, one may not get the same results as the other, inspite of applying the > > same rules. If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to a set of rules > > and answers, and computerised. > > Any how that is my personal view. > > good luck > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Kanakji, Shri.Raichur, as we all know, is perhaps the most senior KP astrologer in our group. We have all benefited from his active and selfless participation. (Actually I am in awe of his programming capability even at this age!) When people like him offer any comment, it is not intended to hurt others. So please do not get upset. Continue your good work. Regards, Rangarajan , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, The Table shows that there are less than 2 out of 24 hours when a connection is not made between the Asc Sub Lord and Moon Star Lord. This supports my experiment and says that you will nearly always find a match. In fact I would suspect that 2 hours is much more than you would normally see; because here we have the two planets Venus and Saturn in 1:12 relationship. Other relationships could bring aspects into account which are likely to reduce the 2 hrs considerably. The problem with the Birth Time Verification Theory is that it is very seductive. It leads us to believe that we have a solution, because nearly always we are near the given time of birth. This is inevitable as all 9 Subs are in the confines of 13*20' of one Star. It is very easy for us to mislead ourselves when we are rectifying for the future, because nothing tells us we may be wrong. I proposed an experiment some time back on this List that we take a number of AA rated birth charts ie with an observed birth, and without participants knowing the TOB, attempt rectification from a time spread of say 2 to 4 hours. A close call say within 5 minutes could be considered a hit, otherwise a miss. This experiment was to find out whether we as individual astrologers had the gift of synchronicity. Also to work out how we personally would use the RP system to the best advantage. This experiment could also tell us the validity of the Asc Sub and Star Lord Birth Time Rectification system. Unfortunately, the idea appeared to have no interest for members. Ron Gaunt On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:59:28 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, >An excellent experiment! > >I would like you to take a look at the file I have uploaded today >and tell me what you think. > >Regards, >Rangarajan > > , " rongaunt@b... au " ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> Regarding this question of Birth Time Rectification espoused in >> Astro Secrets Part 2 page 80, I have carried out a little >> experiment. >> >> I generated 10 fictitious birth dates and times by using the >> Random Generator at http://www.randomizer.org/form.htm >> I used for the place the small village in England where I grew up >> and there wouldn't have been more than 3 births a year. >> >> In EVERY case there was a link between the Moon's Star Lord >> and the Asc Sub Lord. What's more, I didn't have to go deep >> into the Subs they were all immediately recognizable. In fact 3 >> of the Asc Sub Lords were the Star Lord himself. >> >> This is an easy and quick experiment to carry out. I doubt >> whether anyone would EVER find No connection between the >> Asc Sub Lord and Moon's Star Lord. >> >> I therefore totally concur with Kanak it is not a valid method >> of verifying the Time of Birth. >> >> >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Inder, If you say that the phrase " Divine Science " was perhaps coined to promote astrology, what do YOU believe it is? I am sure no one expects 100% success in astrological predictions (in fact, even in many acknowledged " sciences " , 100% success is not obtained). I would be ecstatic if I cross 80% several years from now! If the emphasis is on divinity and less on science, then there should be a filtering process to decide who can practise astrology. I am not talking about people who " cheat " others by claiming to be astrologers. Rather I am talking about those who genuinely aspire to be astrologers, but cannot be because divinity eludes them. Regards, Rangarajan , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear friends, > The term Divine Science might have been coined in defensive mode to > promote astrology. > The position/movement of planets [12 in numbers] are fixed. After > 20 years ,on 24th May 2025 what is the position of each palnet is > known. So this is science.[ Astronomy]. > Fixation of timings, cusps also may become scientific. > But the main [divine] promlem is of interpretation. Destiny of 7 > billions of human are governed by these planets, each is different. > It is impossible to get all the time, to 100% accurate and correct > prediction. This is a divine problem. There may be some divine > perpose for this. For example, if we try to change destiny with > astrological predictions, these predictions may go wrong in some way > or other. and we can see that in post martiem of the event. > Inder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Members, We have all committed a big blunder,it now clearly appears,in our hurry to quote the rule for Birth Time Verification...by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham. You are all requested to carefully note that : In paragraph 3,p.237,in Astrosecrets part II,(I have the very first Edition)it is very clearly mentioned ..." The consulting public,at times may tell a rough time(sic). On such occasions when you correct the Birth Time,that Birth time should be within the time (range) given...by the public(sic). In other words,this rule on which we've been discussing for long,actually very clearly prescribes a time interval of a few minutes only...and not the whole day...as was misunderstood,it now appears... I hope that this controversy now ENDS,once, and for all... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! vijay thirumalai <vijaythirumalai wrote: Dear Mr.Rangarajan and Kanakji, It is good more & more persons are commenting on birth time rectification and this may lead to new findings by one of kp followers. These arguments are not meant to provoke any individuals but to get clear clarification on the point discussed. Vijay Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Raichur,With due respect, I wish to comment on your reply to Kanak. Please understand I mean no offence.I partly agree that astrology is a "divine science". I think we should understand these two words correctly. Here is my view: Let us take "science" first. If a subject is called a science then (among other things) a) there should be a set of axioms and inference rules andb) there should be repeatability(a) Says that the principles must be transparent and anyone should be "able to" apply them(b) "Anyone" who applies these principles "anytime" must get the same resultsLet us now come to the first part - "divine". In my view this means that "how" someone comes up with the required axioms and inference rules need not be transparent. It could be that "God" just "spoke" to someone and he wrote down the rules. I view RPs in this light. It is as if KSK just said "Don't ask me any questions - blindly follow what I say". There is no problem with that. But the crucial part is "repeatability". Whether Shri.Raichur analyses a chart or Shri.Kanak does, the result must be the same, provided they follow the axioms and inference rules correctly. For this to happen, the theoretical foundation must be unambiguously and precisely formulated. In my VERY LIMITED study and understanding of KP system, there is some weakness here. Different people follow different principles and each says it works for him/her.In conclusion, I am of the view that KP system is perhaps "divine", but not yet "science".Sorry if I have offended any member. That wasn't the intention.Regards,Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> Dear Kanakji> > Kindly keep in mind that Astrology is Not a Science made up of Rules only. It is an > > esoteric science, and rules are just a help. Take KSK rule of Ruling Plaanets. Can you> > explain WHY they should reflect the RPs of the person whose chart is under disccussion? ! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2005 Dear Rangarajan Your Logic is perfect, but in life this may not be true. My own experience with the Marriage Punarphoo rule of KSK. The result of this condition is given as a problem or obstruction in Marriage of the person. It may be a broken engagement/ a muhurta postphoponed etc. Aprofession astrologer had seen this in a chart and asked the client, " Had you any trouble/obstructions etc. for your marriage ? " The client truthfully answered " NO " I saw his chart, and his wife was there, asked him " This lady is not the one you intented to marry ? " . he said " yes. I intended to marry another girl but was persuaded by my parents, not to proceed " . Now think over this matter. Same rule, but 2 astrologers guessing, different results of the rule. So I say " astrology is not merely rules, but something addedd " Friends please do not take these remarks, as personal. It is ones opinion formed after lot of experience. Kanakji seems ruffled over some of my remarks. I meant no harm. We all accept that rules made by KSK or our Rishies work. But can we explain " WHY THEY WORK " . We are not questioning the validity of the rules, but we cannot explain the why. We have to state " IT WORKS BECAUSE GOD MADE IT SO. " i EXPRESS MY SINCERE REGRETS TO KANKAJI AND OTHERS, IF THEY ARE OFFENDED BY ANY OF MY POSTINGS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. GOOD LUCK --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Shri.Raichur, > I understand that person A is not identical to person B. However we > expect that if both are professional astrologers, their analysis and > prediction must be true for any chart they study. It is likely that as > humans they may err, but assuming they are perfect, the results must > be the same. Otherwise how will common man develop trust in astrology? > > Take the example of another " Science " - Mathematics. If a complex > calculus problem is given to two mathematicians, don't we expect the > same result? If there is a difference in result, then one of them is > wrong, and it is possible to find out who is wrong because one can > carefully solve the problem following clear principles. > > Your observation " If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to > a set of rules and answers, and computerised " is almost correct. Is > this a problem? Is that not a good thing? I have with me one of the > world's most powerful mathematics programs ever developed (called > " Mathematica " ). It solves many complex math problems that most humans > will have trouble with, but that does not belittle mathematics. > > My view is that KP system can be systematized and formalized into a > rigorous " scientific " discipline. This is not to say that the axioms > and rules will be simple, but that repeatability and verifiability > become possible even if the rule base is large. If someone were to > develop a computational model of such a system, it will definitely be > intriguing. > > Thanks for your comments. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > and answers, and computerised. > , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > You have said " anyone " should be able to get the same results, if he > applies the > > > > principles " any time' " . One is not identical/similar to the other. > Therefore in > > > > astrology, one may not get the same results as the other, inspite of > applying the > > > > same rules. If this was TRUE then prediction could be reduced to a > set of rules > > > > and answers, and computerised. > > > > Any how that is my personal view. > > > > good luck > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
