Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, Please do not add ji to my name. I am far younger to you in age and experience and thank you very much for your reply. Can you please shed the approach on the exceptions (if there are too many)? or what do you consider the exception? (if there are few and you have time to type them)? What is your opinion on a planet in 6th 8th and 12th from own house for example lets take 4th house so if 4th lord is in 3rd house (12th from 4th), 11th (8th from 4th) house or 9th house (6th from 4th)? Thanks once again. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > In general what I follow is that any house lord is in a dusthana (6,8,12) > from lagna affects that house negatively. Of course there are a few > exceptions to this general rule. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > 10th lord in 8th house and 10th lord in 12th house i.e. in 11th from 10th > > or in 3rd from 10th i.e. in upchay sthan from own house, do you consider > > that as bad placement for 10th lord? > > > > Can you please give your opinion when you get a chance. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > I am not clear about one thing. Regarding malefics in kendras - is your > > > comment an addition to what I said or is it contrary to what I said? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > It is good to have your comments. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>1. There are 5 malefics in Kendras (assuming Mercury to be one). > > Though > > > > Venus is also in a Kendra, it is weak due to partial combustion. This > > weans > > > > the chart in general. All planets on one side of Rahu-Ketu axis also > > causes > > > > some imbalance in the life.>>> > > > > > > > > Malefics in Kendras do not promise good health. 6th Lord Mercury in 4th > > > > house with Sun the karaka for Lagna indicates prone to accidents. > > > > > > > > >>>2. Rahu, usually also takes on the mantle of Saturn in its period. > > > > Ideally, Saturn being the 10L, Rahu should have blessed him with a good > > job. > > > > Unfortunately, Saturn is partially combust and has lost Graha Yuddha > > with > > > > Mercury. Hence, Rahu is not strong enough to deliver on its own and > > hence > > > > will need the help of an AD lord to do so.>>> > > > > > > > > Rahu behaves like Saturn too. But the real culprit here is Venus the AD > > > > Lord. Make Rahu the MD lord as lagna. Venus would become the 8th lord > > of > > > > obstructions and would be located in 10th house of profession. The 10th > > Lord > > > > Moon would be in 8th house. The Jupiter becomes the 3rd Lord self > > efforts > > > > would be in 8th house indicating the lack of self-efforts. > > > > > > > > I would like to write even more on this chart. But the fact of the > > matter > > > > is that, as Mrs. Wendy expressed, the indivudal is not keen to > > understand > > > > rather wants push button solution. Anyways, this is another opportunity > > to > > > > know about Rahu and Venus. > > > > > > > > Rahu/Venus and Venus/Rahu are the most challanging periods to analyse. > > This > > > > is my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, I think I figured out the exceptions you are talking about and please feel free to correct me. Did you mean 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord in 12th and then the VRY's i.e. 6th in 8th or 12th, or 8th in 6th or 12th or 12th in 8th or 6th? Are these the exceptions that you were referring to? Are there any more that were in your mind? Regarding the second point, I would still like to hear your opinion. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > Please do not add ji to my name. I am far younger to you in age and experience and thank you very much for your reply. > > Can you please shed the approach on the exceptions (if there are too many)? or what do you consider the exception? (if there are few and you have time to type them)? > > What is your opinion on a planet in 6th 8th and 12th from own house for example lets take 4th house so if 4th lord is in 3rd house (12th from 4th), 11th (8th from 4th) house or 9th house (6th from 4th)? > > Thanks once again. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > In general what I follow is that any house lord is in a dusthana (6,8,12) > > from lagna affects that house negatively. Of course there are a few > > exceptions to this general rule. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > 10th lord in 8th house and 10th lord in 12th house i.e. in 11th from 10th > > > or in 3rd from 10th i.e. in upchay sthan from own house, do you consider > > > that as bad placement for 10th lord? > > > > > > Can you please give your opinion when you get a chance. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > I am not clear about one thing. Regarding malefics in kendras - is your > > > > comment an addition to what I said or is it contrary to what I said? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > It is good to have your comments. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>1. There are 5 malefics in Kendras (assuming Mercury to be one). > > > Though > > > > > Venus is also in a Kendra, it is weak due to partial combustion. This > > > weans > > > > > the chart in general. All planets on one side of Rahu-Ketu axis also > > > causes > > > > > some imbalance in the life.>>> > > > > > > > > > > Malefics in Kendras do not promise good health. 6th Lord Mercury in 4th > > > > > house with Sun the karaka for Lagna indicates prone to accidents. > > > > > > > > > > >>>2. Rahu, usually also takes on the mantle of Saturn in its period. > > > > > Ideally, Saturn being the 10L, Rahu should have blessed him with a good > > > job. > > > > > Unfortunately, Saturn is partially combust and has lost Graha Yuddha > > > with > > > > > Mercury. Hence, Rahu is not strong enough to deliver on its own and > > > hence > > > > > will need the help of an AD lord to do so.>>> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu behaves like Saturn too. But the real culprit here is Venus the AD > > > > > Lord. Make Rahu the MD lord as lagna. Venus would become the 8th lord > > > of > > > > > obstructions and would be located in 10th house of profession. The 10th > > > Lord > > > > > Moon would be in 8th house. The Jupiter becomes the 3rd Lord self > > > efforts > > > > > would be in 8th house indicating the lack of self-efforts. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to write even more on this chart. But the fact of the > > > matter > > > > > is that, as Mrs. Wendy expressed, the indivudal is not keen to > > > understand > > > > > rather wants push button solution. Anyways, this is another opportunity > > > to > > > > > know about Rahu and Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Venus and Venus/Rahu are the most challanging periods to analyse. > > > This > > > > > is my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Kendras are not meant for malefics. 3, 6 and 11th houses are for malefics. If malefics are placed in Kendras they tend to create problems towards health. Consider Cancer Lagna. Saturn is a natural malefic. He becomes functional malefic too because of his ownership of 8th house. Let us consider Saturn is placed in 4th House. What would happen? This Saturn is not only jeopardizing the general health but also the interests of 10th house (profession, status and luck). Since he is the 12th lord from 9th house of luck. The above are the instructions of Sage Parashara. I follow it. Now one of the general instructions of the sage is, any planet placed in Kendra is gaining strength. The assumed strength of Saturn is going to promote the interests of 8th House and not the Lagna or the 4th house or the 10th House. It is a matter of synthesis and the signification, which is under consideration at a particular point of time. Hope I make my point clear. The problem with me is that I cant express a point in brief :-) My family members start running away from me when I intend to speak. LOL. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ======================== Dear Ravindramani, I understood what you said earlier. I was not looking for an elaboration (you are welcome though :-). What I wanted to know is - do you consider malefics in kendras only for health purposes or do you also consider malefics in kendras as factors affecting the good fortune of the native? Regards, Krishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Ash,As you please :-) I may be much older than in you in age but I am sure not in experience in Astrology. In this field, I am still a new entrant - only 4-5 years of self learning. Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. Regarding your other point, I must confess that I don't have enough experience looking at things from that angle. I have only started looking at it of late. Regards,Krishna On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: Dear Krishna ji, Please do not add ji to my name. I am far younger to you in age and experience and thank you very much for your reply. Can you please shed the approach on the exceptions (if there are too many)? or what do you consider the exception? (if there are few and you have time to type them)? What is your opinion on a planet in 6th 8th and 12th from own house for example lets take 4th house so if 4th lord is in 3rd house (12th from 4th), 11th (8th from 4th) house or 9th house (6th from 4th)? Thanks once again. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > In general what I follow is that any house lord is in a dusthana (6,8,12) > from lagna affects that house negatively. Of course there are a few > exceptions to this general rule. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > 10th lord in 8th house and 10th lord in 12th house i.e. in 11th from 10th > > or in 3rd from 10th i.e. in upchay sthan from own house, do you consider > > that as bad placement for 10th lord? > > > > Can you please give your opinion when you get a chance. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > I am not clear about one thing. Regarding malefics in kendras - is your > > > comment an addition to what I said or is it contrary to what I said? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > It is good to have your comments. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>1. There are 5 malefics in Kendras (assuming Mercury to be one). > > Though > > > > Venus is also in a Kendra, it is weak due to partial combustion. This > > weans > > > > the chart in general. All planets on one side of Rahu-Ketu axis also > > causes > > > > some imbalance in the life.>>> > > > > > > > > Malefics in Kendras do not promise good health. 6th Lord Mercury in 4th > > > > house with Sun the karaka for Lagna indicates prone to accidents. > > > > > > > > >>>2. Rahu, usually also takes on the mantle of Saturn in its period. > > > > Ideally, Saturn being the 10L, Rahu should have blessed him with a good > > job. > > > > Unfortunately, Saturn is partially combust and has lost Graha Yuddha > > with > > > > Mercury. Hence, Rahu is not strong enough to deliver on its own and > > hence > > > > will need the help of an AD lord to do so.>>> > > > > > > > > Rahu behaves like Saturn too. But the real culprit here is Venus the AD > > > > Lord. Make Rahu the MD lord as lagna. Venus would become the 8th lord > > of > > > > obstructions and would be located in 10th house of profession. The 10th > > Lord > > > > Moon would be in 8th house. The Jupiter becomes the 3rd Lord self > > efforts > > > > would be in 8th house indicating the lack of self-efforts. > > > > > > > > I would like to write even more on this chart. But the fact of the > > matter > > > > is that, as Mrs. Wendy expressed, the indivudal is not keen to > > understand > > > > rather wants push button solution. Anyways, this is another opportunity > > to > > > > know about Rahu and Venus. > > > > > > > > Rahu/Venus and Venus/Rahu are the most challanging periods to analyse. > > This > > > > is my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Ravindramani,//:-) My family members start running away from me when I intend to speak. LOL. // No wonder! I can see why :-)Looks like I have got the answer I was looking for, even though not a direct one :-)Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: Kendras are not meant for malefics. 3, 6 and 11th houses are for malefics. If malefics are placed in Kendras they tend to create problems towards health. Consider Cancer Lagna. Saturn is a natural malefic. He becomes functional malefic too because of his ownership of 8th house. Let us consider Saturn is placed in 4th House. What would happen? This Saturn is not only jeopardizing the general health but also the interests of 10th house (profession, status and luck). Since he is the 12th lord from 9th house of luck. The above are the instructions of Sage Parashara. I follow it. Now one of the general instructions of the sage is, any planet placed in Kendra is gaining strength. The assumed strength of Saturn is going to promote the interests of 8th House and not the Lagna or the 4th house or the 10th House. It is a matter of synthesis and the signification, which is under consideration at a particular point of time. Hope I make my point clear. The problem with me is that I cant express a point in brief :-) My family members start running away from me when I intend to speak. LOL. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ======================== Dear Ravindramani, I understood what you said earlier. I was not looking for an elaboration (you are welcome though :-). What I wanted to know is - do you consider malefics in kendras only for health purposes or do you also consider malefics in kendras as factors affecting the good fortune of the native? Regards, Krishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, You wrote, // " Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. " // That would mean that natural 10th or 11th lord in Kalpurush chart would be in 8th house so that would make it in upchay from both 10th and 11th i.e. in 11th from 10th and in 10th from 11th house respectively. Actually upchay is given by Parasara and all other rishis as well and upchay means how of growth, heap and prosperity. So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara. As per your earlier post, you mentioned that 7th lord in 12th house u are considering it bad, but that is again in upchay. So, coming close with your wife will help get child (12th house is 6th from 7th wife and it becomes Karak for 5th house which is child and natural 12th lord is Guru and hence putra karaka). Therefore, 7th lord in 12th house if its considered bad for 7th house matters does not fit the basic premise given by Parasara or any of the sages if one concentrates on upchay. Yes, if the basic texts have mis-interpretted 12th from House instead of 12th house of the chart then that is a different matter but if i say that, then it might ruffles the basic premise that so many jyotish follow. However, I do know you have a very keen and logical mind and I am comfortable to bounce these thoughts of you. If you find any truth in the or during your research, you can share them or if u get charts that go against that then it will be a good study for me. A planet in 12th (is it from house or 12th house of chart) sometimes might get confusing if a trained mind is not interpreting sanskrit shokes. So 7th lord in 6th house means 7th lord is in 12th :-) vs taking it as in 12th house of chart which is in upchay and that helps in expansion of family which is success of 7th house and 5th from 1st house. I would like to hear your opinion on the above if you think it makes sense. I beleive strongly in chart symmetry. Just some thoughts....... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > As you please :-) I may be much older than in you in age but I am sure not > in experience in Astrology. In this field, I am still a new entrant - only > 4-5 years of self learning. > > Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. > Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the > 8th. It enhances longevity. > > Regarding your other point, I must confess that I don't have enough > experience looking at things from that angle. I have only started looking at > it of late. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Please do not add ji to my name. I am far younger to you in age and > > experience and thank you very much for your reply. > > > > Can you please shed the approach on the exceptions (if there are too many)? > > or what do you consider the exception? (if there are few and you have time > > to type them)? > > > > What is your opinion on a planet in 6th 8th and 12th from own house for > > example lets take 4th house so if 4th lord is in 3rd house (12th from 4th), > > 11th (8th from 4th) house or 9th house (6th from 4th)? > > > > Thanks once again. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > In general what I follow is that any house lord is in a dusthana (6,8,12) > > > from lagna affects that house negatively. Of course there are a few > > > exceptions to this general rule. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > 10th lord in 8th house and 10th lord in 12th house i.e. in 11th from > > 10th > > > > or in 3rd from 10th i.e. in upchay sthan from own house, do you > > consider > > > > that as bad placement for 10th lord? > > > > > > > > Can you please give your opinion when you get a chance. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > > > I am not clear about one thing. Regarding malefics in kendras - is > > your > > > > > comment an addition to what I said or is it contrary to what I said? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to have your comments. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>1. There are 5 malefics in Kendras (assuming Mercury to be one). > > > > Though > > > > > > Venus is also in a Kendra, it is weak due to partial combustion. > > This > > > > weans > > > > > > the chart in general. All planets on one side of Rahu-Ketu axis > > also > > > > causes > > > > > > some imbalance in the life.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malefics in Kendras do not promise good health. 6th Lord Mercury in > > 4th > > > > > > house with Sun the karaka for Lagna indicates prone to accidents. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>2. Rahu, usually also takes on the mantle of Saturn in its > > period. > > > > > > Ideally, Saturn being the 10L, Rahu should have blessed him with a > > good > > > > job. > > > > > > Unfortunately, Saturn is partially combust and has lost Graha > > Yuddha > > > > with > > > > > > Mercury. Hence, Rahu is not strong enough to deliver on its own and > > > > hence > > > > > > will need the help of an AD lord to do so.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu behaves like Saturn too. But the real culprit here is Venus > > the AD > > > > > > Lord. Make Rahu the MD lord as lagna. Venus would become the 8th > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > obstructions and would be located in 10th house of profession. The > > 10th > > > > Lord > > > > > > Moon would be in 8th house. The Jupiter becomes the 3rd Lord self > > > > efforts > > > > > > would be in 8th house indicating the lack of self-efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to write even more on this chart. But the fact of the > > > > matter > > > > > > is that, as Mrs. Wendy expressed, the indivudal is not keen to > > > > understand > > > > > > rather wants push button solution. Anyways, this is another > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > > know about Rahu and Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Venus and Venus/Rahu are the most challanging periods to > > analyse. > > > > This > > > > > > is my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Ash,Yes, you have a point. What you are saying makes lot of sense. People like me who don't understand Sanskrit, take the commentaries blindly. It is a long way to go for me as I have just started learning Sanskrit a few days back. I have taken up a distance learning program. I will certainly put more effort to look at charts with this angle and will share any findings with you.Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: Dear Krishna ji, You wrote, // " Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. " // That would mean that natural 10th or 11th lord in Kalpurush chart would be in 8th house so that would make it in upchay from both 10th and 11th i.e. in 11th from 10th and in 10th from 11th house respectively. Actually upchay is given by Parasara and all other rishis as well and upchay means how of growth, heap and prosperity. So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara. As per your earlier post, you mentioned that 7th lord in 12th house u are considering it bad, but that is again in upchay. So, coming close with your wife will help get child (12th house is 6th from 7th wife and it becomes Karak for 5th house which is child and natural 12th lord is Guru and hence putra karaka). Therefore, 7th lord in 12th house if its considered bad for 7th house matters does not fit the basic premise given by Parasara or any of the sages if one concentrates on upchay. Yes, if the basic texts have mis-interpretted 12th from House instead of 12th house of the chart then that is a different matter but if i say that, then it might ruffles the basic premise that so many jyotish follow. However, I do know you have a very keen and logical mind and I am comfortable to bounce these thoughts of you. If you find any truth in the or during your research, you can share them or if u get charts that go against that then it will be a good study for me. A planet in 12th (is it from house or 12th house of chart) sometimes might get confusing if a trained mind is not interpreting sanskrit shokes. So 7th lord in 6th house means 7th lord is in 12th :-) vs taking it as in 12th house of chart which is in upchay and that helps in expansion of family which is success of 7th house and 5th from 1st house. I would like to hear your opinion on the above if you think it makes sense. I beleive strongly in chart symmetry. Just some thoughts....... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > As you please :-) I may be much older than in you in age but I am sure not > in experience in Astrology. In this field, I am still a new entrant - only > 4-5 years of self learning. > > Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. > Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the > 8th. It enhances longevity. > > Regarding your other point, I must confess that I don't have enough > experience looking at things from that angle. I have only started looking at > it of late. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Please do not add ji to my name. I am far younger to you in age and > > experience and thank you very much for your reply. > > > > Can you please shed the approach on the exceptions (if there are too many)? > > or what do you consider the exception? (if there are few and you have time > > to type them)? > > > > What is your opinion on a planet in 6th 8th and 12th from own house for > > example lets take 4th house so if 4th lord is in 3rd house (12th from 4th), > > 11th (8th from 4th) house or 9th house (6th from 4th)? > > > > Thanks once again. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > In general what I follow is that any house lord is in a dusthana (6,8,12) > > > from lagna affects that house negatively. Of course there are a few > > > exceptions to this general rule. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > 10th lord in 8th house and 10th lord in 12th house i.e. in 11th from > > 10th > > > > or in 3rd from 10th i.e. in upchay sthan from own house, do you > > consider > > > > that as bad placement for 10th lord? > > > > > > > > Can you please give your opinion when you get a chance. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40>, > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > > > > > I am not clear about one thing. Regarding malefics in kendras - is > > your > > > > > comment an addition to what I said or is it contrary to what I said? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to have your comments. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>1. There are 5 malefics in Kendras (assuming Mercury to be one). > > > > Though > > > > > > Venus is also in a Kendra, it is weak due to partial combustion. > > This > > > > weans > > > > > > the chart in general. All planets on one side of Rahu-Ketu axis > > also > > > > causes > > > > > > some imbalance in the life.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malefics in Kendras do not promise good health. 6th Lord Mercury in > > 4th > > > > > > house with Sun the karaka for Lagna indicates prone to accidents. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>2. Rahu, usually also takes on the mantle of Saturn in its > > period. > > > > > > Ideally, Saturn being the 10L, Rahu should have blessed him with a > > good > > > > job. > > > > > > Unfortunately, Saturn is partially combust and has lost Graha > > Yuddha > > > > with > > > > > > Mercury. Hence, Rahu is not strong enough to deliver on its own and > > > > hence > > > > > > will need the help of an AD lord to do so.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu behaves like Saturn too. But the real culprit here is Venus > > the AD > > > > > > Lord. Make Rahu the MD lord as lagna. Venus would become the 8th > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > obstructions and would be located in 10th house of profession. The > > 10th > > > > Lord > > > > > > Moon would be in 8th house. The Jupiter becomes the 3rd Lord self > > > > efforts > > > > > > would be in 8th house indicating the lack of self-efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to write even more on this chart. But the fact of the > > > > matter > > > > > > is that, as Mrs. Wendy expressed, the indivudal is not keen to > > > > understand > > > > > > rather wants push button solution. Anyways, this is another > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > > know about Rahu and Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Venus and Venus/Rahu are the most challanging periods to > > analyse. > > > > This > > > > > > is my personal opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Ash, ///So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara./// My understanding of this is that the significations of the graha grow stronger when placed in an upachaya bhava. If I might just add a little here regarding the 3rd, 6th, 11th bhavas. As you know these are trishadaya bhavas which are considered malefic. BPHS Ch.34: 3-4, says; " Any planet owning the 3rd, 6th, or 11th will give evil effects. " The melefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses. Trishadaya lords can signify difficulty and/or disease, especially when aspecting vulnerable bhavas/grahas. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ashsam73 " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:26 PM Re: query Dear Krishna ji, You wrote, // " Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. " // That would mean that natural 10th or 11th lord in Kalpurush chart would be in 8th house so that would make it in upchay from both 10th and 11th i.e. in 11th from 10th and in 10th from 11th house respectively. Actually upchay is given by Parasara and all other rishis as well and upchay means how of growth, heap and prosperity. So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara. As per your earlier post, you mentioned that 7th lord in 12th house u are considering it bad, but that is again in upchay. So, coming close with your wife will help get child (12th house is 6th from 7th wife and it becomes Karak for 5th house which is child and natural 12th lord is Guru and hence putra karaka). Therefore, 7th lord in 12th house if its considered bad for 7th house matters does not fit the basic premise given by Parasara or any of the sages if one concentrates on upchay. Yes, if the basic texts have mis-interpretted 12th from House instead of 12th house of the chart then that is a different matter but if i say that, then it might ruffles the basic premise that so many jyotish follow. However, I do know you have a very keen and logical mind and I am comfortable to bounce these thoughts of you. If you find any truth in the or during your research, you can share them or if u get charts that go against that then it will be a good study for me. A planet in 12th (is it from house or 12th house of chart) sometimes might get confusing if a trained mind is not interpreting sanskrit shokes. So 7th lord in 6th house means 7th lord is in 12th :-) vs taking it as in 12th house of chart which is in upchay and that helps in expansion of family which is success of 7th house and 5th from 1st house. I would like to hear your opinion on the above if you think it makes sense. I beleive strongly in chart symmetry. Just some thoughts....... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy and Krishna ji, Yes, I am aware of the verse and not only BPHS but also Laghu Parasari says something similar. That said, we have to understand the context and reference of that. That verse you typed, triggered a memory that I had written something about that so I checked my blog and as it tuned out I did write something about it. http://ashscorner.blogspot.com/2007/04/explaining-laghu-parasari-using-kas_933.html In any case, please go though what I have written. I shall share my understanding of the explicit verse given by Mrs. Wendy in a few hours (once I get some time) and then we can discuss. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Thursday May 28, 2009 10:27 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, ///So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara./// My understanding of this is that the significations of the graha grow stronger when placed in an upachaya bhava. If I might just add a little here regarding the 3rd, 6th, 11th bhavas. As you know these are trishadaya bhavas which are considered malefic. BPHS Ch.34: 3-4, says; " Any planet owning the 3rd, 6th, or 11th will give evil effects. " The melefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses. Trishadaya lords can signify difficulty and/or disease, especially when aspecting vulnerable bhavas/grahas. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ashsam73 " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:26 PM Re: query Dear Krishna ji, You wrote, // " Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. " // That would mean that natural 10th or 11th lord in Kalpurush chart would be in 8th house so that would make it in upchay from both 10th and 11th i.e. in 11th from 10th and in 10th from 11th house respectively. Actually upchay is given by Parasara and all other rishis as well and upchay means how of growth, heap and prosperity. So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara. As per your earlier post, you mentioned that 7th lord in 12th house u are considering it bad, but that is again in upchay. So, coming close with your wife will help get child (12th house is 6th from 7th wife and it becomes Karak for 5th house which is child and natural 12th lord is Guru and hence putra karaka). Therefore, 7th lord in 12th house if its considered bad for 7th house matters does not fit the basic premise given by Parasara or any of the sages if one concentrates on upchay. Yes, if the basic texts have mis-interpretted 12th from House instead of 12th house of the chart then that is a different matter but if i say that, then it might ruffles the basic premise that so many jyotish follow. However, I do know you have a very keen and logical mind and I am comfortable to bounce these thoughts of you. If you find any truth in the or during your research, you can share them or if u get charts that go against that then it will be a good study for me. A planet in 12th (is it from house or 12th house of chart) sometimes might get confusing if a trained mind is not interpreting sanskrit shokes. So 7th lord in 6th house means 7th lord is in 12th :-) vs taking it as in 12th house of chart which is in upchay and that helps in expansion of family which is success of 7th house and 5th from 1st house. I would like to hear your opinion on the above if you think it makes sense. I beleive strongly in chart symmetry. Just some thoughts....... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy and Krishna ji, In what context was this verse written I feel is important to understand that just going by it verbatim. For example, for 1st house, the 11th house is an upchay stan and it is the house for the success of 1st house. It helps grow the 1st house. A successful man has a good reputation and image so 11th helps grows 1st. So now, is 11th bad for 1st? Same way, 3rd house is the house of life of 1st and it’s the house of parakram. A person who is hard working can get a good name. So is that bad? Even in Prashna, you will check the 11th house to see the success of the result isn’t it? 1st house is the mook karka sthan of 11th. So success of the question will depend in the 11th house. So again, why is 11th bad or termed as malefic? So from the above, its clear that whatever is written there needs to be a deeper understanding regarding the CONTEXT that this was written in. Now, 6th house has good points and also it is the house of stomach and all disease arise from it so a house of illness, and in KAS we call it akin to a black hole. So planets that sit in the 6th house are affected and 6th lord is malefic. That said, 6th house if its strong (as you say if 6th lord is in 6th house as per what Krishna ji gave an exception) so then in such case, its good. If 6th house is strong and if Mangal is strong (karak for 6th i.e. 1st lord in Kalpurush chart) then such a person might not fall sick often or the quality or metabolism of such a person might be good and he or she might recover from illness quickly. So for matters of health, you would want the 6th house to be strong. Now if 6th house is weak, then 11th and 3rd house are eager to give result of 6th or grow the significance. Also shad ripus are denoted by 6th house as well, so 3rd and 11th both being KAM house are helping growing the 6th house. But at the same time if a person is sick and in antra of 3rd and 11th then such a person might help the person to recover more quickly. So, upchay sthan is never bad for the house, on the contrary it will help the significance of the house grow and the karaktwa that the house represents. So if you are focusing on the malefic effects of 6th house then 3rd and 11th will help that grow. But at the same time, there is a second side of the coin that for the good things denoted by 6th house it will also help that grow as well. 3rd house is 10th from 6th and 11th house is 6th from 6th. 3rd house is 3rd from 1st (karak for 6th) and 11th house is 11th from 1st (karak for 6th). Therefore these 2 house i.e. 3rd and 11th are very special w.r.t 6th house. So they are upchay from both Phal and Karak sthan so they will help increase the quality and also will be eager to give timing of events as well. 3rd is parakram and lets say interview. That controls (10th house or has authority) over 6th house. That creates opportunity for a person to get a Job or say service i.e. 6th house. Once an unemployed person gets a job which means the STATUS of the person changes (6th from 1st house), and once a person gets a job (6th house) that will become KARAK for income i.e 11th house. Alternatively, 11th house will trigger after getting job so a slight difference between 3rd and 11th house where 3rd controls 6th and 11th is the next. Once a native gets job then he can work to get authority so 3rd house is upchay for 10th as well as 6th. So the context has to be understood in which one is checking these laws and that cannot be applied blindly. For an unemployed person, 3rd, 6th and 11th house will play a vital role in securing a job and we cannot term a native to get a job as an evil and malefic event? However, if a person has too much of “I” factor and ego then that is detrimental to gain spiritual growth. So 11th is 12th from 12th (moksh) and 3rd is again 12th from 4th (moksh trikon). So in that context it might be deemed as something that might cause hindrance to gaining moksh. From the matter of Greed which is 1 of shad ripu, and if u are looking at from that view point then 3rd and 11th will become more eager to give that as they are upchay lords so they will grow the significance of the house as 3rd and 11th (as we call in KAS as LoD and LoE) they are very special as they are upchay from both karak and phal sthan i.e. 6th and 1st. Regarding upchay sthan and planets placed in upchay sthan they are 2 different things. I shall write about that in another mail as I am out of time for now. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Thursday May 28, 2009 10:27 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, ///So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara./// My understanding of this is that the significations of the graha grow stronger when placed in an upachaya bhava. If I might just add a little here regarding the 3rd, 6th, 11th bhavas. As you know these are trishadaya bhavas which are considered malefic. BPHS Ch.34: 3-4, says; " Any planet owning the 3rd, 6th, or 11th will give evil effects. " The melefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama or desire houses. Trishadaya lords can signify difficulty and/or disease, especially when aspecting vulnerable bhavas/grahas. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ashsam73 " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:26 PM Re: query Dear Krishna ji, You wrote, // " Yes, you have correctly figured out the exceptions I was having in mind. Another one is - Saturn, the Ayushyakaraka is supposed to be good in the 8th. It enhances longevity. " // That would mean that natural 10th or 11th lord in Kalpurush chart would be in 8th house so that would make it in upchay from both 10th and 11th i.e. in 11th from 10th and in 10th from 11th house respectively. Actually upchay is given by Parasara and all other rishis as well and upchay means how of growth, heap and prosperity. So as per the definition of upchay which are 3 6 10 and 11 house from any house, those would be upchay and they will help grow the signifcance of the house. This is the basic definition, and also as per parasara. As per your earlier post, you mentioned that 7th lord in 12th house u are considering it bad, but that is again in upchay. So, coming close with your wife will help get child (12th house is 6th from 7th wife and it becomes Karak for 5th house which is child and natural 12th lord is Guru and hence putra karaka). Therefore, 7th lord in 12th house if its considered bad for 7th house matters does not fit the basic premise given by Parasara or any of the sages if one concentrates on upchay. Yes, if the basic texts have mis-interpretted 12th from House instead of 12th house of the chart then that is a different matter but if i say that, then it might ruffles the basic premise that so many jyotish follow. However, I do know you have a very keen and logical mind and I am comfortable to bounce these thoughts of you. If you find any truth in the or during your research, you can share them or if u get charts that go against that then it will be a good study for me. A planet in 12th (is it from house or 12th house of chart) sometimes might get confusing if a trained mind is not interpreting sanskrit shokes. So 7th lord in 6th house means 7th lord is in 12th :-) vs taking it as in 12th house of chart which is in upchay and that helps in expansion of family which is success of 7th house and 5th from 1st house. I would like to hear your opinion on the above if you think it makes sense. I beleive strongly in chart symmetry. Just some thoughts....... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I did mention about 11th house being 12th from 12th so it hinders one getting Moksh. 12th house is the house on spiritual plane and it is the house of Moksh i.e. Moksh on spiritual plane as compared to 8th or 4th house which are on mental and physical planes. I also spoke of “I” factor which can cause Aham or Pride or Ego which is again not good to attain moksh. Dear Mrs. Wendy, the entire system of KAS and for Timing of events is based on upchay theory, therefore all charts that I have been studying for many years are based on upchay theory and therefore I can speak about it at a certain level of depth based on my experience and teachings and after solving many charts. 3, 6, 10 and 11 are Kam, Arth, Arth and Kam sthan. They all help grow 1st house which is the dharm sthan. 1st house is the KARAK for 6th house which signifies health, enemies, shad ripus (which are enemeies). 6th house itself is the worst house as it is opposite in nature to 12th house which is true happiness and moksh therefore 3rd and 11th are in 12th from 4th and 11th house which again are not conducive to 12th and 4th. In regards to your chart. Your 1st lord Sa is in 6th house and its with 5 bindus and therefore that will enhance your personality that is one thing. Next thing is that your 6th lord is in 9th house with 3 bindus. Now this Mercury who is 6th lord is opposing Saturn who is karak for 6th, this is based on 4:10 principle. Just as your Ju is in 4:10 with Moon and here Ju = 3 bindus and Mo = 7 bindus and this will make your Guru very powerful. This also proves that you’re your Mercury is more towards 6th house despite it not being MT sign as compared to 9th lord. In SAV, Me gets power of 7 bindus in 6th house as compared to 3 bindus in 9th house. Therefore its more in favour as 6th lord instead of 9th in ration of 7:3. Moon is the only planet not supporting Me or Me is not making a favourable yoga with Moon, rest all the planets are making a good yoga with mercury and mercury from lagna as well. In the 9th house only Sa, Ve and Me itself are making good yog. So here you can find the opposition and this is causing health issues. That said, your Mars is very powerful as well as it is making 4:10 with Sun and Venus both with 4 bindus and your Ma has 3 bindus. Therefore, you will also have good power to recover when you fall sick. Also the ability to endure a lot of physical pain is there. Also you said Mars is your 11th lord but at the same time it is also 4th lord too. Yes, it has 3 bindus in 11th as compared to 2 in 4th so it would be more towards Scorpio than Aries. So on one hand its Kam and on other hand its Moksh lord. It is in dhan sthan from 2nd and it opposes 11th house and it is in 12th from 6th. Mangal is vargottam and its with 6th lord Me. The karak of Mangal is Guru and that is in navamsa of its neecha i.e. Saturn and Saturn mapped back in Rasi is in 6th house. Therefore Ma will give you problems related to 6th house. So on one hand it will give you problems w.r.t health overall in life and on the other hand it will also give you good power to endure pain and also become very brave as Ma is karak for both 6th and 1st house (powerful individuality) as long as enhancement of 1st house (sa is 1st lord in 6th, upchay). Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Saturday May 30, 2009 1:17 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, ///In what context was this verse written I feel is important to understand that just going by it verbatim./// It goes without saying that everything needs to be understood in the proper context. ///For example, for 1st house, the 11th house is an upchay stan and it is the house for the success of 1st house. It helps grow the 1st house. A successful man has a good reputation and image so 11th helps grows 1st. So now, is 11th bad for 1st?/// Again this needs to be seen in the proper context. Yes, 11th is the house of 'Gains' which, of course, implies all gains whether material, emotional or philosophical etc, etc; and, as said earlier, being a growing house (upachaya), the significations of a planet occupying this house tend to grow stronger with the passage of time...this applies, of course, to all four upachayas (3, 6, 10, 11). However we should not lose sight of the fact that the 11th is first and foremost a kama (or desire) house and, depending upon whatever influences are brought to bear on this house, we may find a native so totally immersed in materialism that there can be no hope of awakening from the illusion of maya. We have to understand that worldly success (generally) comes at a price. A quote from scripture might be appropriate here; " For what is a man profited, if he should gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his own soul? " As for the lord of 11th being malefic in nature, signifying difficulty and/or disease (depending on placement and/or aspects to vulnerable bhavas/grahas, I urge you to look deeply into as many charts as possible to realise the truth of this. It doesn't have to be taken verbatim as you applied; rather, serious study should reveal the truth of this to you. I myself am living proof of this with 11th lord Mars aspecting 8th house of vulnerability contributing to chronic inflammatory disease. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Ash, ///Your 1st lord Sa is in 6th house and its with 5 bindus and therefore that will enhance your personality that is one thing. Next thing is that your 6th lord is in 9th house with 3 bindus./// From AshtakaVarga System of Prediction (BV RAMAN) " The bhava occupied by Mercury prospers a) provided Mercury is exalted or in his own house having secured 1 to 3 bindus, b) when Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus. Under (b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish satisfactorily. " ///Now this Mercury who is 6th lord is opposing Saturn who is karak for 6th, this is based on 4:10 principle. Just as your Ju is in 4:10 with Moon and here Ju = 3 bindus and Mo = 7 bindus and this will make your Guru very powerful./// Saturn is karaka for 6th?? No, Mars is karaka for 6th...Saturn, I believe, is karaka for 8th & 12th. Again here we see the confusion of mixing different techniques into the one pot. According to the natural/temporary friendship scheme Mercury is a great friend to Saturn. I must leave this here for now Ash... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Ash, ///Dear Mrs. Wendy, the entire system of KAS and for Timing of events is based on upchay theory, therefore all charts that I have been studying for many years are based on upchay theory and therefore I can speak about it at a certain level of depth based on my experience and teachings and after solving many charts./// I have no doubt whatsoever that you have much experience using the KAS method of prediction. However, as I'm sure you know already, I do not use this method. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sa is functional karak for 6th house. It is your first lord. Natural Karak is Mars i.e. lord of Aries and natural 1st lord in Kalpurush chart. In your chart, Me is in 9th house and its opposing Sa in 6th house. You have suffered inflammatory health issues as you have said. Sa is karak for 6th i.e. 1st lord and Me is 6th lord. I also described and talked about Mars who is natural karak for 6th house. Hence I have supported with example why Me in 9th house despite being unccha but with 3 bindus is opposing your 1st lord Sa who is in 6th house but with 5 bindus. Mrs. Wendy, maybe you are confusing Natural Karaka with Functional Karaka. I believe I have read some sanskarit verse which talks of Tatkalik Karak. Which interpreted means Functional Karaka. Shani is natural karak for 3rd and 4th house. Parakram and Land and Property and also for brilliance J. It is natural 8th lord from Cancer which is Mind and the Karak is Shani i.e. 11th lord. More powerful is Sa then the power to remember of mind increases. If you require proof, then kindly check the chart of B.V. Raman ji, Albert Einstein and check their Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa to see in how many signs is the rising sign (lagna) and Su and Mo are in. In B.V. Raman ji’s chart, Navamsa lagna is Cap and sun is in Aqu, in Dreshkon, mo is in cap and in Trishansa , both sun and moon are in Cap. Therefore total of 5 out of 9. We all know of his achievements. In Einstein’s chart, Mo is in cap in navamsa, Dreshkon lagna is aqu and mo is in cap in Trishansa so 3 sectors. Regarding Mercury and Saturn relationship, I had written about it. http://ashscorner.blogspot.com/2007/02/relationship-venus-saturn-mercury.html So nothing different. You keep saying that I am mixing different things in a pot at the same time, you are not giving any concrete reasoning for Karak based on chart symmetry. What I am saying for example, say Guru is putra Karak and REASON IS that Guru is 12th lord and that is KARAK for 5th i.e. Natural Karak as in Kalpursuh chart it is lord of 12th house Pisces. Similarly, 12th lord of the chart will become Functional Karak. Same way, Karak for pleasures and spouse is Venus because it is Natural 2nd lord i.e. 8th from 7th and also 8th from pisces i.e. Moksh and enjoyment and 8th from that is Libra. Shani is karak for hard work as it is 8th lord from 3rd house i.e ..10th lord of the natural chart which is the REASON. Mercury is the Karak for income and money as it is natural 6th lord and that is 8th from 11th. Same way, Mercury is required for deep research as it is natural lord of Gemini which is 8th from 8th house of research. Guru is Karak for family and kutumb as it is natural 9th lord which is 8th from 2nd house and at the same time it is also referred to as putra karak as it is natural 8th lord from 5th house. So from Leo the 8th house is Pisces and its lord is Guru and therefore Guru is putra karak. Mangal is karak for 6th house because it is natural 1st lord i.e. 8th from 6th house and also its karak for individuality i.e it is 8th lord from 1st house i.e. aries. Sun is natural karak for authority as it is 8th lord from 10th house. Moon is natural karak for fortunes and luck (and that is chanchal as its called due to fast moving nature of Moon) and that is because it is 8th lord from 9th house. The functional Karak is as per the chart i.e. example spouse the karak for that is Venus i.e. natural karak and functional karak would be 2nd lord of the chart. So in your case, it would be Shani as your lagna is Capricorn. Therefore when I talk of Karak, it is based on concrete symmetry of a chart and here I am giving the understanding of the same and based on concrete footing. No where this is given or written but it is followed. Everyone is calling Venus as karak for spouse and also Guru for putra karak. Why? The reason is as given above. The above is no different than the house that is given by Parasara. If you have taken Karaka’s to be any different, then kindly give any concrete reasoning and not some philosophical reasoning. I would like to understand your opinion. Also kindly give your honest opinion, if you think that the BHPS as we have it today, is accurate and translated properly and no verses are missing or have been altered. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Saturday May 30, 2009 9:02 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, ///Your 1st lord Sa is in 6th house and its with 5 bindus and therefore that will enhance your personality that is one thing. Next thing is that your 6th lord is in 9th house with 3 bindus./// From AshtakaVarga System of Prediction (BV RAMAN) " The bhava occupied by Mercury prospers a) provided Mercury is exalted or in his own house having secured 1 to 3 bindus, b) when Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus. Under (b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish satisfactorily. " ///Now this Mercury who is 6th lord is opposing Saturn who is karak for 6th, this is based on 4:10 principle. Just as your Ju is in 4:10 with Moon and here Ju = 3 bindus and Mo = 7 bindus and this will make your Guru very powerful./// Saturn is karaka for 6th?? No, Mars is karaka for 6th...Saturn, I believe, is karaka for 8th & 12th. Again here we see the confusion of mixing different techniques into the one pot. According to the natural/temporary friendship scheme Mercury is a great friend to Saturn. I must leave this here for now Ash... 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, The reason why I wrote that, is that the system is based on upchay theory. Therefore I know what I am talking about and that has been verified by solving many charts. I sincerely request you to understand the meaning of Upchay and what does it mean when Parasara has defined the 3, 6, 10 and 11th house to be upchay house and the same goes for all 12 house i.e for 2nd house the upchay will be 4, 7, 11 and 12th house and for 3rd house the upchay are 5, 8, 12 and 1st etc etc etc. These upchay are the house of growth for the respective house. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Saturday May 30, 2009 9:09 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, ///Dear Mrs. Wendy, the entire system of KAS and for Timing of events is based on upchay theory, therefore all charts that I have been studying for many years are based on upchay theory and therefore I can speak about it at a certain level of depth based on my experience and teachings and after solving many charts./// I have no doubt whatsoever that you have much experience using the KAS method of prediction. However, as I'm sure you know already, I do not use this method. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 ///I sincerely request you to understand the meaning of Upchay/// Excuse me Ash!?? ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:22 PM RE: Re: query Dear Mrs. Wendy, The reason why I wrote that, is that the system is based on upchay theory. Therefore I know what I am talking about and that has been verified by solving many charts. I sincerely request you to understand the meaning of Upchay and what does it mean when Parasara has defined the 3, 6, 10 and 11th house to be upchay house and the same goes for all 12 house i.e for 2nd house the upchay will be 4, 7, 11 and 12th house and for 3rd house the upchay are 5, 8, 12 and 1st etc etc etc. These upchay are the house of growth for the respective house. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, What I have written is not meant to offend you and that is not the intent. Please do not misunderstand me. You have urged me to study in a pervious mail and I have sent an email saying “Excuse Me”? I did not misunderstand your intent, then why do you? I have already told you in a few posts earlier, that I respect your opinion but at the same time, I am pushing you to share your thoughts which will help everyone here on the list. Going forward, please keep in mind that I do respect your opinion and please do not take anything I write personally. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Saturday May 30, 2009 10:51 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query ///I sincerely request you to understand the meaning of Upchay/// Excuse me Ash!?? ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:22 PM RE: Re: query Dear Mrs. Wendy, The reason why I wrote that, is that the system is based on upchay theory. Therefore I know what I am talking about and that has been verified by solving many charts. I sincerely request you to understand the meaning of Upchay and what does it mean when Parasara has defined the 3, 6, 10 and 11th house to be upchay house and the same goes for all 12 house i.e for 2nd house the upchay will be 4, 7, 11 and 12th house and for 3rd house the upchay are 5, 8, 12 and 1st etc etc etc. These upchay are the house of growth for the respective house. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Ash, It's late here and I'm trying to stay awake in order to see the final of BGT live (internet feed). Whilst I'm waiting (little over 1hr to go) I'm watching the list and trying to make sense of your mails. Honestly Ash, the KAS method is not something I'm familiar with nor am I likely to become familiar with...being set in my ways now after 22 years following one particular technique. I have tried to explain my view to you but you seem not to be listening at all...just countering each time with the KAS view, so yes, I'm becoming a little short tempered. The thing is, Ash, that we do things differently and I doubt if that is ever going to change. You follow KAS because it works for you; I follow a more traditional approach because it works for me, it's as simple as that! There are vast differences in the two methods (as we both know)...if I'm not mistaken you also use a different ayanamsha. The main focus of KAS is on AshtakaVarga and, as it seems, upachaya; but you should understand that this is not suited to everyone. We've had an amicable relationship for some years now Ash and I hope that will continue. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:25 PM RE: Re: query Dear Mrs. Wendy, What I have written is not meant to offend you and that is not the intent. Please do not misunderstand me. You have urged me to study in a pervious mail and I have sent an email saying " Excuse Me " ? I did not misunderstand your intent, then why do you? I have already told you in a few posts earlier, that I respect your opinion but at the same time, I am pushing you to share your thoughts which will help everyone here on the list. Going forward, please keep in mind that I do respect your opinion and please do not take anything I write personally. Cheers !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 31, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Yes, it shall J No worries. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Saturday May 30, 2009 12:34 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: query Dear Ash, It's late here and I'm trying to stay awake in order to see the final of BGT live (internet feed). Whilst I'm waiting (little over 1hr to go) I'm watching the list and trying to make sense of your mails. Honestly Ash, the KAS method is not something I'm familiar with nor am I likely to become familiar with...being set in my ways now after 22 years following one particular technique. I have tried to explain my view to you but you seem not to be listening at all...just countering each time with the KAS view, so yes, I'm becoming a little short tempered. The thing is, Ash, that we do things differently and I doubt if that is ever going to change. You follow KAS because it works for you; I follow a more traditional approach because it works for me, it's as simple as that! There are vast differences in the two methods (as we both know)...if I'm not mistaken you also use a different ayanamsha. The main focus of KAS is on AshtakaVarga and, as it seems, upachaya; but you should understand that this is not suited to everyone. We've had an amicable relationship for some years now Ash and I hope that will continue. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ash's Corner " <kas <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:25 PM RE: Re: query Dear Mrs. Wendy, What I have written is not meant to offend you and that is not the intent. Please do not misunderstand me. You have urged me to study in a pervious mail and I have sent an email saying " Excuse Me " ? I did not misunderstand your intent, then why do you? I have already told you in a few posts earlier, that I respect your opinion but at the same time, I am pushing you to share your thoughts which will help everyone here on the list. Going forward, please keep in mind that I do respect your opinion and please do not take anything I write personally. Cheers !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Rakesh Based on the time etc you gave. I am getting aries lagna and Krittika (Vrishaba rasi) nakshatras. There is nothing wrong with the chart. Rahu in seventh may delay marriage, but not denial. Two benefics in second, a powerful saturn - how can this person be unemployed. If anything this person is lazy and is enjoying his mother's home. Please check the time and date etc.. MS , " rakesh.behal " <rakesh.behal wrote: > > Dear guru ji, > charan saprsh > > can anyone pls discuss my horoscope why i m facing a lot of problems in career. > > 1] I m in big trouble.I m unemployed.pls suggest when i will get job > > 2] also i m unmarried,when will i get married. > > pls tell all upayas for career and marriage > > > 21-7-1976 > 23:45 > kangra(H.P.) > > regds > rakesh > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Mr. Rakesh Behal Your chart 21 Jul 1976 at 23-45 amounts to Mesh lagna and Vrishabha rashi with Moon in Sun star Kruthika. You are running Rahu-Venus period upto 2011 April. Your marriage is getting delayed due to Mercury Venus and Saturn conjunction in Cancer. Delay is always caused by Saturn and not by Rahu. Your marriage is delayed and not denied. It is likely you may get married during the end of this year. The upayas are to circumambulate navagraha temples on Fridays and pray for release of curses suffered in previous births. Always pray to Lord Surya and not to Saturn. Regds Viswanath mob 9440 346 285 ________________________________ , " rakesh.behal " <rakesh.behal@ ...> wrote: > > Dear guru ji, > charan saprsh > > can anyone pls discuss my horoscope why i m facing a lot of problems in career. > > 1] I m in big trouble.I m unemployed.pls suggest when i will get job > > 2] also i m unmarried,when will i get married. > > pls tell all upayas for career and marriage > > > 21-7-1976 > 23:45 > kangra(H.P.) > > regds > rakesh > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2009 dear anil your bad phase will be over by when u complete 45th year may be from 2nd jan 2010 onward or latest by march 2010. Please donot invest in stock market or do not do things related to mercury. you must be keeping some wine bottles in your house which are of green colour or mustard oil is kept in green or blue bottle. please throw that away. if ur keeping plants in your house which are having kantey plese remove them if ur house is painted green/blue then whenever u get chance please get it painted in pastle colours. i) u wear an steel ring (without joint) in ur left hands little finger. ii) start giving one chapati and a piece of gur on it to cow daily (this can be done by ur wife also better she does it) iii) start giving sweets/toffees/food to girl which are below the age of 5 or 6 = small kids=kanyas. regards, lalkitab , " Anil " <hello_betu wrote: > > Dear Punit ji and other members > > A year has gone I have been reading this forum. I have an e - book on > Lal Kitab and I read it many times. With few recent messages that > appeared on the forum, I got to aware the availability of good books > to study further. Very soon, I hope to have the books with me for > further reading. Thanks a lot for the information. > > Basically, I suffered a series of problems on financial and family > issue that disturbed my life a lot. That's why I am keen to find out > the reasons behind and this curiosity led me to this field. The > contents and concepts fascinate me a lot and I hope to grow with the > help of learned members here. > > But, the real obstacle in the path is my current situations. Out of > worries and tensions for survival, its difficult for me to concentrate > on a systematic and regular reading /learning. I hope Punit Ji and > other learned members on this forum may help me giving some concrete > solutions based on Lal Kitab to overcome my issues. > > I got married in 1993. During those days, I was of a mentality to get > rich quick and I took huge risks investing money and lost all. The > situation improved by 1996 a bit and I entered into stock markets and > suffered great losses again and gone to huge debts. Thereafter, during > 2001, again good times came to me and I won huge money in the TV show > KBC. After winning such a great amount, I forgot my previous mistakes, > and again entered into Stock markets and lost everything again. During > 2004, I bought a home and car taking loans with banks, and also took > some other personal loans to invest again but failed again. My mother > got sick and died during 2007. To marry my younger sister, I took > loans again, sold my car to repay personal borrowings and still > repaying. I am in big debt now. I have two kids, a son and a daughter. > Even with a handsome salary, it has become difficult for me to > survive. My home that I bought in 2004, is now on the verge of sale as > I frequently defaulted EMIs to banks. I am paying huge interests on > loans and all my salary goes to repay loans. The life has become hell > for past 2 - 3 years when Sani Sadhe saati has started. All my efforts > for financial restructuring has gone in vain as all my new loan > applications or application for take over of home loan with Top Up > amount were rejected by banks during past 2 years. > > I don't know and its beyond guess why its all ups and downs coming to > me for past 16 years, especially the current situations are quite > tough for survival. > > I humbly request the learned members here to suggest me some remedies > (upayas) so that all this crunch may come to an end, or at least I may > have some relief. > > My birth details are as hereunder:- > DOB : 20th November 1965 > Time: 3:15 AM > Place: Jabalpur,MP, India > > Kindly do consider this request and extend some help to me by telling > some remedies. > With Best Regards! > > Anil Kumar > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Dear Gaurav jee, "Bahaman dee bodi meenh mangdee" is actually a Punjabi idiom to point out the suffocating summer time. In Lal Kitab terms, it indicates towards the insignificance status of Jupiter in the house in question. Jupiter in 7th house is written as "Takdee kee bodi", we have to first understand this "Takdee ki Bodi". Although this "Bodi" is the indicator of correctness, but its own position depends upon the position of 2 Pans, one pan is Mercury and the other is Venus. In my humble opinion, since 7th house belongs to Mercury and Venus, the soil of Venus and the sand of Mercury suffocate the Jupiter in a way that disallow the entry of Moon (Mann ki shanti) there. probably that is why the remedy of Moon is recommended for Jupiter in 7th house.SincerelyYograj Prabhakar--- On Thu, 9/7/09, gaurav sharma <sandybablu wrote:gaurav sharma <sandybablu Query Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 9:22 AM Hello everybody Lal Kitab 1941(Gutka) Barhaspat#7 there is a line which says " Brahman Kee bodi minh Mangdi" could anybody explain what does this mean Thanks Gaurav Sharma Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Prabhakarji, A very well replied query.hats off to your knowledge of this divine book. after this reply nothing is left behind which rquired to be answered. Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal On 7/9/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Dear Gaurav jee, " Bahaman dee bodi meenh mangdee " is actually a Punjabi idiom to point out the suffocating summer time. In Lal Kitab terms, it indicates towards the insignificance status of Jupiter in the house in question. Jupiter in 7th house is written as " Takdee kee bodi " , we have to first understand this " Takdee ki Bodi " . Although this " Bodi " is the indicator of correctness, but its own position depends upon the position of 2 Pans, one pan is Mercury and the other is Venus. In my humble opinion, since 7th house belongs to Mercury and Venus, the soil of Venus and the sand of Mercury suffocate the Jupiter in a way that disallow the entry of Moon (Mann ki shanti) there. probably that is why the remedy of Moon is recommended for Jupiter in 7th house. SincerelyYograj Prabhakar--- On Thu, 9/7/09, gaurav sharma <sandybablu wrote: gaurav sharma <sandybablu Query Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 9:22 AM Hello everybody Lal Kitab 1941(Gutka) Barhaspat#7 there is a line which says " Brahman Kee bodi minh Mangdi " could anybody explain what does this mean ThanksGaurav Sharma Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 10, 2009 Respected Dr. Sahib"Mera Mujh mein kuchh nahee - jo kuchh hai so tera".Whatever I manage to express is yours Ashirwad only sir. Please keep all of this group belessed.PranaamYograj Prabhakar--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Amar Aggarwal <amar1145 wrote:Amar Aggarwal <amar1145Re: Query Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 9:01 PM Dear Prabhakarji, A very well replied query.hats off to your knowledge of this divine book. after this reply nothing is left behind which rquired to be answered. Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal On 7/9/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: Dear Gaurav jee, "Bahaman dee bodi meenh mangdee" is actually a Punjabi idiom to point out the suffocating summer time. In Lal Kitab terms, it indicates towards the insignificance status of Jupiter in the house in question. Jupiter in 7th house is written as "Takdee kee bodi", we have to first understand this "Takdee ki Bodi". Although this "Bodi" is the indicator of correctness, but its own position depends upon the position of 2 Pans, one pan is Mercury and the other is Venus. In my humble opinion, since 7th house belongs to Mercury and Venus, the soil of Venus and the sand of Mercury suffocate the Jupiter in a way that disallow the entry of Moon (Mann ki shanti) there. probably that is why the remedy of Moon is recommended for Jupiter in 7th house. SincerelyYograj Prabhakar--- On Thu, 9/7/09, gaurav sharma <sandybablu > wrote: gaurav sharma <sandybablu > QueryThursday, 9 July, 2009, 9:22 AM Hello everybody Lal Kitab 1941(Gutka) Barhaspat#7 there is a line which says " Brahman Kee bodi minh Mangdi" could anybody explain what does this mean ThanksGaurav Sharma Looking for local information? Find it on Local See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
