Why do remedies fail/ budh ka bhed

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brahspat when damaged/influenced by rahu turns out to be budh.

brahspat's conversion to budh signifies the maximum damage to

brahspat.

budh ka bhed determines the nature of budh.

it can be reffered to be a measuring scale whereby the damage to

brahspat is ascertained.

can this bhed be helpful in upaya also?

kulbirbains

, " cptyagi2007 "

<cptyagi2007 wrote:

>

> Dear Dennis ji,

>

> There is a mathematical process through which the nature of

mercury

> is ascertained. I am giving the process here :

> In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a

> value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value

> assigned to the planets permanently.

>

> Sun : 9

> Moon : 8

> Mars : 5

> Mercury : 4

> Jupiter : 6

> Venus : 7

> Saturn : 3

> Rahu : 2

> Ketu : 1

>

> Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number

the

> planet is situated in.

> Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on.

> Work out for all the planets in the horoscope.

>

> Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by

9.

>

> If the remainder is :

>

> 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house.

If

> the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun

where

> ever the sun is placed.

> 1 = like Ketu

> 2 = like rahu

> 3 = like Saturn

> 4 = like mercury { itself }

> 5 = like mars

> 6 = like Jupiter

> 7 = like venus

> 8 = like moon

>

> Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained.

>

> About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet

> would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this

> purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat.

> For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not

pass

> it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect

of

> troubles being passed on to another planet.

>

> If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications

are

> of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the

> problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look

for

> that planet.

>

> Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing

> indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back

> ache }

> The upaya has to be done for both the planets.

>

> Regards,

>

> Chandra Prakash

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Dennis "

> <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh,

> please kindly clarify.

> > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can

> you,please,explain more?

> > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied?

I

> mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem

> to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a)

> problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems

with

> Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a

> planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet

(e.g.

> Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred

> always to them?

> > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand

> Hindi .:-(

> > Regards,

> > Dionisis

> > -

> > cptyagi2007

> >

> > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM

> > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets

> > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English

> because

> > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Chandra Prakash

> >

> > , " kulbirbains "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy

failure

> > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme

khanawar

> haal

> > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH

> SE

> > KOI

> > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR

> > KE

> > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be

> checked

> > > before prescribing a

> > >

> > remedy.

> > > Kulbir bains

> > >

> > > , Pandit Bhooshan

> Priya

> > > <@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full

> > faith

> > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the

> upaya

> > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse

except

> > that

> > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem

> properly

> > or

> > > to prescribe the correct upaya.

> > > >

> > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes

> every

> > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at

my

> > end.

> > > It could occur at any of the following steps

> > > >

> > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact

problem

> > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native.

> Invariably

> > the

> > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state

> the

> > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his

> > problem

> > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native

is

> > there

> > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat.

> > > >

> > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the

> > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where

> there

> > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off

> the

> > > tangent.

> > > >

> > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are

> committed

> > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked

> about

> > > concepts of the Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group

from

> > a

> > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that

> there

> > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts,

> husband's

> > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary

combinations

> > that

> > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the

> chart

> > of

> > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house

for

> > which

> > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota

sab

> > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and

> > grandsons

> > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald

na

> > hoga

> > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not

> be

> > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda

> planetary

> > > combinations of progeny}.

> > > >

> > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed {

nature

> of

> > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out

the

> > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the

> > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal

> shukra

> > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter.

> > > >

> > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of

> > > >

> > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an

eye

> > on

> > > >

> > > > him.

> > > >

> > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the

> > native

> > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any

astrologer

> > will

> > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem.

> There

> > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I

looked

> at

> > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth

> > noticing

> > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which

> could

> > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that

> > Jupiter

> > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its

> > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will

have

> to

> > be

> > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury ,

> strengthen

> > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back

bone

> he

> > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the

> root

> > of

> > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the

upaya

> has

> > to

> > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury.

> > > >

> > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra

> > > >

> > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of

the

> > > >

> > > > problem might lie some where else.

> > > >

> > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too

has

> to

> > > be

> > > >

> > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th

> > house

> > > >

> > > > significations.

> > > >

> > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury },

> > Bali

> > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of

> Saturn }

> > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but

> in

> > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind

always.

> > These

> > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing

> so, I

> > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am

> sure

> > > they will be reduced to a minimum.

> > > >

> > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

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> > >

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