Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Dear Vyas, The Aquarius chart gives us a possibility in this regard with the weak L9 under close affliction. But I don't see the same level of overall wealth in the Aquarius chart as I do in the Leo one. Also, the fear of public speaking is not readily visible. The great strength of the 2nd house in the case of Leo seems to fit. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Dear Arun and List, Here are my thoughts on the Aq ascendant: (a) The only badly placed planet is Venus closely conj Ra-Ke axis. Ra is in 3H with Mars very strong. Overal this can give fantastic entrepreneurial spirit and rise in these matters. Ve sits in the house of easy gains. In the Leo chart, the weakness of Venus LO3 is likely not to give such great success an an entrepreneur. True that there would be the (wide) asp of strong Jupiter, but he had this spirit from a very young age and didn't grow into it with time. (b) Strong Sun in H7 can give the looks as a Leo. Both ascendants have very long limbs. Buffett isn't a particularly royal looking figure if you didn't know who he was. Jupiter's influence can 'full' him out a little compared to the emaciated looks of Aq. © LO1 has gone to H11, making this his life's pursuit. The strong influence of Mars on Saturn, would strongly involve this person in entreprenuial activities. As we have been discussing the role of Mars, ruler of enormous wealth , we can see its merits in this light as well. LO9 Ju is very strong and also placed in H5 and forms a wide aspect to the ASC Lord and ASC itself. Buffett's status and extreme wealth did not come until after 50 years of age. (d) Buffet's father died in 1964. With strong Mars, Jupiter and Sun, I reckon there would have to be an affliction to H9. In this case, Venus is by age weak, badly placed in H8 and close to Ke. The Leo ascendant tells us that his father would likely outlive his mother. His mother passed a few years ago in this decade. Moon is nicely placed in H10, though debilitated, shows better longelivity of mother with this weak Venus being the particular significator of father. (e) Frugality itself is given by Aq. (f) Strong Me has given him few obstructions, and a sixth sense of the markets. (g) Fear of public speaking can be given by Aq itself, but such strong Me can remove this. Now he's a fantastic speaker. Had H3 been weak, as in the Leo asc, there would be little gains on expansive and entreprenuial business. (h) With weak LO9, Ve, he is an atheist and a great advocate of abortion and population control. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Please read my replies in caps below. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun and List, Here are my thoughts on the Aq ascendant: (a) The only badly placed planet is Venus closely conj Ra-Ke axis. Ra is in 3H with Mars very strong. Overal this can give fantastic entrepreneurial spirit and rise in these matters. Ve sits in the house of easy gains. THE OBSTRUCTIONS ASPECT OF THE 8TH HOUSE SHOULD BE VIEWED IN PRECEDENCE I WOULD THINK. In the Leo chart, the weakness of Venus LO3 is likely not to give such great success an an entrepreneur. THE STRENGTH OF SUN AND MARS, BESIDES THEIR CLOSE INFLUENCES, MAKE UP FOR THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS TO A LARGE EXTENT. THE STRONG SUN, L2, L9, AND MARS INFLUENCING THE IMPORTANT HOUSES 1 AND 2 IN THE CHART CAN MAKE UP FOR THIS DEFICIENCY AS WELL TO A LARGE EXTENT. True that there would be the (wide) asp of strong Jupiter, but he had this spirit from a very young age and didn't grow into it with time. SUN’S INFLUENCE IS MULTI-DIMENSIONAL, AND WHEN INFLUENCING THE ASCENDANT AS THE ASCENDANT LORD, CAN ALSO GIVE THIS SPIRIT. (b) Strong Sun in H7 can give the looks as a Leo. Both ascendants have very long limbs. Buffett isn't a particularly royal looking figure if you didn't know who he was. HIS FACE HAS A UNIQUELY STRONG LOOK, WHICH COMES FROM AN INFLUENCE OF THE SUN. HOW CAN WE CATEGORIZE WHAT A ‘ROYAL LOOKING FIGURE’ WOULD LOOK LIKE ANYWAY? Jupiter's influence can 'full' him out a little compared to the emaciated looks of Aq. © LO1 has gone to H11, making this his life's pursuit. The strong influence of Mars on Saturn, would strongly involve this person in entreprenuial activities. YES IT CAN. THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY IN THE FIELD OF TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRY UNDER THE AQUARIUS ASCENDANT. As we have been discussing the role of Mars, ruler of enormous wealth , we can see its merits in this light as well. RIGHT. BUT THE SAME GOES WITH THE LEO CHART. LO9 Ju is very strong and also placed in H5 and forms a wide aspect to the ASC Lord and ASC itself. Buffett's status and extreme wealth did not come until after 50 years of age. RIGHT, BUT HE HAS BEEN RICH AT LEAST ALL THE WAY THROUGH. HIS EARLIER ACHIEVEMENTS PAVED THE WAY FOR THE LARGER REWARDS DOWN THE ROAD. (d) Buffet's father died in 1964. With strong Mars, Jupiter and Sun, I reckon there would have to be an affliction to H9. In this case, Venus is by age weak, badly placed in H8 and close to Ke. The Leo ascendant tells us that his father would likely outlive his mother. AFFLICTIONS (IF ANY) TO THE 4TH HOUSE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT WHEN ASSESSING THE FATHER, AS THE 4TH HOUSE DEALS WITH THE PARENTS. BUFFETT’S FATHER DIED ON APRIL 30, 1964. THE NODAL AXIS WAS PASSING OVER NATAL MARS, WHICH IN THE CASE OF LEO IS THE 9TH LORD. PRIOR TO THIS, TRANSIT KETU WAS CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE SUN. IN THE LEO CHART, BUFFETT WAS IN A KETU-RAHU PERIOD. WHENEVER SUCH A PERIOD IS RUNNING, THE TRANSIT AFFLICTIONS BECOME ALL THE MORE SEVERE. His mother passed a few years ago in this decade. Moon is nicely placed in H10, though debilitated, shows better longelivity of mother with this weak Venus being the particular significator of father. RIGHT, BUT THE SUB-PERIOD AND TRANSITS IN 1964 WERE PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE FOR THE FATHER USING THE LEO CHART. (e) Frugality itself is given by Aq. RIGHT. (f) Strong Me has given him few obstructions, and a sixth sense of the markets. RIGHT. MERCURY IS STRONG FOR ALL ASCENDANTS ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY, IF THERE IS NO HOUSE/MT AFFLICTION. (g) Fear of public speaking can be given by Aq itself, but such strong Me can remove this. ONLY IF SATURN IS WEAK FOR AQUARIUS RISING. Now he's a fantastic speaker. Had H3 been weak, as in the Leo asc, there would be little gains on expansive and entreprenuial business. THE GREAT INFLUENCES IN THE CHART BESIDES THE STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MARS STILL GIVE HIM AMPLE COURAGE AND PROWESS. (h) With weak LO9, Ve, he is an atheist and a great advocate of abortion and population control. TO A GOOD EXTENT, YES. SUN AND JUPITER ARE STRONG IN THE AQUARIUS CHART TOO, WHICH HELP. THE AQUARIUS CHART COULD HAVE MADE HIM MORE OF AN INDUSTRIALIST THAN A GIFTED INVESTOR. IN ALL, THE GREAT INFLUENCES OF THE SUN-LIKE L2 AND L9 IN THE LEO CHART ON THE 2ND HOUSE OF STATUS AND WEALTH STAND OUT OVER ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE AQUARIUS CHART HAS TO OFFER. THERE A LOT OF WEALTHY FOLK, BUT ONLY ONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET WHO IS WEALTHIER. THE INFLUENCES OF THE STRONG SUN AND SUN-LIKE LORDS ON THE HOUSES OF PROFESSION AND STATUS SEEM TO BE NECESSARY IN SUCH A CASE. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Thanks for your thoughts. My responses are below in: ***** ***** Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Please read my replies in caps below. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun and List, Here are my thoughts on the Aq ascendant: (a) The only badly placed planet is Venus closely conj Ra-Ke axis. Ra is in 3H with Mars very strong. Overal this can give fantastic entrepreneurial spirit and rise in these matters. Ve sits in the house of easy gains. THE OBSTRUCTIONS ASPECT OF THE 8TH HOUSE SHOULD BE VIEWED IN PRECEDENCE I WOULD THINK. ***** Ju's influence on 9H would help to a certain degree ***** In the Leo chart, the weakness of Venus LO3 is likely not to give such great success an an entrepreneur. THE STRENGTH OF SUN AND MARS, BESIDES THEIR CLOSE INFLUENCES, MAKE UP FOR THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS TO A LARGE EXTENT. THE STRONG SUN, L2, L9, AND MARS INFLUENCING THE IMPORTANT HOUSES 1 AND 2 IN THE CHART CAN MAKE UP FOR THIS DEFICIENCY AS WELL TO A LARGE EXTENT. ***** In this, both charts would be on equal footing ***** True that there would be the (wide) asp of strong Jupiter, but he had this spirit from a very young age and didn't grow into it with time. SUN'S INFLUENCE IS MULTI-DIMENSIONAL, AND WHEN INFLUENCING THE ASCENDANT AS THE ASCENDANT LORD, CAN ALSO GIVE THIS SPIRIT. ***** Yes, but the Lord of the specific house would have alot to say. I think the tendency would be weak in the Leo case. ***** (b) Strong Sun in H7 can give the looks as a Leo. Both ascendants have very long limbs. Buffett isn't a particularly royal looking figure if you didn't know who he was. HIS FACE HAS A UNIQUELY STRONG LOOK, WHICH COMES FROM AN INFLUENCE OF THE SUN. HOW CAN WE CATEGORIZE WHAT A 'ROYAL LOOKING FIGURE' WOULD LOOK LIKE ANYWAY? ***** Royal looks - jewellery, entourage, surroundings, stature, aristocratic mannerisms. We can easily recognize great beauty of a Libra with Ve in the Asc. That's a long discussion. ***** Jupiter's influence can 'full' him out a little compared to the emaciated looks of Aq. © LO1 has gone to H11, making this his life's pursuit. The strong influence of Mars on Saturn, would strongly involve this person in entreprenuial activities. YES IT CAN. THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY IN THE FIELD OF TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRY UNDER THE AQUARIUS ASCENDANT. ***** Not necessarily with Jupiter in 5H. ***** As we have been discussing the role of Mars, ruler of enormous wealth , we can see its merits in this light as well. RIGHT. BUT THE SAME GOES WITH THE LEO CHART. ***** Yes ***** LO9 Ju is very strong and also placed in H5 and forms a wide aspect to the ASC Lord and ASC itself. Buffett's status and extreme wealth did not come until after 50 years of age. RIGHT, BUT HE HAS BEEN RICH AT LEAST ALL THE WAY THROUGH. HIS EARLIER ACHIEVEMENTS PAVED THE WAY FOR THE LARGER REWARDS DOWN THE ROAD. ***** Yes, but the greatest accumulation came later. Comparatively, it was peanuts before. ***** (d) Buffet's father died in 1964. With strong Mars, Jupiter and Sun, I reckon there would have to be an affliction to H9. In this case, Venus is by age weak, badly placed in H8 and close to Ke. The Leo ascendant tells us that his father would likely outlive his mother. AFFLICTIONS (IF ANY) TO THE 4TH HOUSE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT WHEN ASSESSING THE FATHER, AS THE 4TH HOUSE DEALS WITH THE PARENTS. BUFFETT'S FATHER DIED ON APRIL 30, 1964. THE NODAL AXIS WAS PASSING OVER NATAL MARS, WHICH IN THE CASE OF LEO IS THE 9TH LORD. PRIOR TO THIS, TRANSIT KETU WAS CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE SUN. IN THE LEO CHART, BUFFETT WAS IN A KETU-RAHU PERIOD. WHENEVER SUCH A PERIOD IS RUNNING, THE TRANSIT AFFLICTIONS BECOME ALL THE MORE SEVERE. ***** Yes, but the natal chart takes precendce in assessing such things. With such strong Sun, Ju and Ma in the Leo chart, death of Mother was more likely sooner than that of father. ***** His mother passed a few years ago in this decade. Moon is nicely placed in H10, though debilitated, shows better longelivity of mother with this weak Venus being the particular significator of father. RIGHT, BUT THE SUB-PERIOD AND TRANSITS IN 1964 WERE PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE FOR THE FATHER USING THE LEO CHART. ***** Without the exact chart, this is difficult to fully ascertain. Again, Su, Ju, Ma strong with weak Ve and Mo means father lives longer (broken record worth playing again ). ***** (e) Frugality itself is given by Aq. RIGHT. (f) Strong Me has given him few obstructions, and a sixth sense of the markets. RIGHT. MERCURY IS STRONG FOR ALL ASCENDANTS ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY, IF THERE IS NO HOUSE/MT AFFLICTION. (g) Fear of public speaking can be given by Aq itself, but such strong Me can remove this. ONLY IF SATURN IS WEAK FOR AQUARIUS RISING. ***** Aq signified as a servant, is prone to few words regardless of the strength of Saturn. In the Leo chart with strong Sun and Mercury, such problem would perhaps never come to light regardless of a weakness of Venus. You may find a Leo with weak Venus blundering their written communication alot. ***** Now he's a fantastic speaker. Had H3 been weak, as in the Leo asc, there would be little gains on expansive and entreprenuial business. THE GREAT INFLUENCES IN THE CHART BESIDES THE STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MARS STILL GIVE HIM AMPLE COURAGE AND PROWESS. ***** Agreed ***** (h) With weak LO9, Ve, he is an atheist and a great advocate of abortion and population control. TO A GOOD EXTENT, YES. SUN AND JUPITER ARE STRONG IN THE AQUARIUS CHART TOO, WHICH HELP. THE AQUARIUS CHART COULD HAVE MADE HIM MORE OF AN INDUSTRIALIST THAN A GIFTED INVESTOR. IN ALL, THE GREAT INFLUENCES OF THE SUN-LIKE L2 AND L9 IN THE LEO CHART ON THE 2ND HOUSE OF STATUS AND WEALTH STAND OUT OVER ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE AQUARIUS CHART HAS TO OFFER. ***** Only in terms of raw affluence. However, the other issues don't tally. ***** THERE A LOT OF WEALTHY FOLK, BUT ONLY ONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET WHO IS WEALTHIER. THE INFLUENCES OF THE STRONG SUN AND SUN-LIKE LORDS ON THE HOUSES OF PROFESSION AND STATUS SEEM TO BE NECESSARY IN SUCH A CASE. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Status is something that comes in a variety of ways, and is not seen merely through net worth on paper. President Bush has a higher status than virtually anyone, but he isn't nearly as wealthy on paper as some of those on the Forbes list. Mr. Buffett's contacts and networking ability, along with his high quality education, helped him out in the long-run. The influence of the Sun and Sun-like lords give him enormous status, which is seen in many different ways than just net worth on paper at a given time. The strength of personality comes to life with the Leo chart above all the other weaknesses. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Thanks for your thoughts. My responses are below in: ***** ***** Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Please read my replies in caps below. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun and List, Here are my thoughts on the Aq ascendant: (a) The only badly placed planet is Venus closely conj Ra-Ke axis. Ra is in 3H with Mars very strong. Overal this can give fantastic entrepreneurial spirit and rise in these matters. Ve sits in the house of easy gains. THE OBSTRUCTIONS ASPECT OF THE 8TH HOUSE SHOULD BE VIEWED IN PRECEDENCE I WOULD THINK. ***** Ju's influence on 9H would help to a certain degree ***** In the Leo chart, the weakness of Venus LO3 is likely not to give such great success an an entrepreneur. THE STRENGTH OF SUN AND MARS, BESIDES THEIR CLOSE INFLUENCES, MAKE UP FOR THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS TO A LARGE EXTENT. THE STRONG SUN, L2, L9, AND MARS INFLUENCING THE IMPORTANT HOUSES 1 AND 2 IN THE CHART CAN MAKE UP FOR THIS DEFICIENCY AS WELL TO A LARGE EXTENT. ***** In this, both charts would be on equal footing ***** True that there would be the (wide) asp of strong Jupiter, but he had this spirit from a very young age and didn't grow into it with time. SUN'S INFLUENCE IS MULTI-DIMENSIONAL, AND WHEN INFLUENCING THE ASCENDANT AS THE ASCENDANT LORD, CAN ALSO GIVE THIS SPIRIT. ***** Yes, but the Lord of the specific house would have alot to say. I think the tendency would be weak in the Leo case. ***** (b) Strong Sun in H7 can give the looks as a Leo. Both ascendants have very long limbs. Buffett isn't a particularly royal looking figure if you didn't know who he was. HIS FACE HAS A UNIQUELY STRONG LOOK, WHICH COMES FROM AN INFLUENCE OF THE SUN. HOW CAN WE CATEGORIZE WHAT A 'ROYAL LOOKING FIGURE' WOULD LOOK LIKE ANYWAY? ***** Royal looks - jewellery, entourage, surroundings, stature, aristocratic mannerisms. We can easily recognize great beauty of a Libra with Ve in the Asc. That's a long discussion. ***** Jupiter's influence can 'full' him out a little compared to the emaciated looks of Aq. © LO1 has gone to H11, making this his life's pursuit. The strong influence of Mars on Saturn, would strongly involve this person in entreprenuial activities. YES IT CAN. THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY IN THE FIELD OF TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRY UNDER THE AQUARIUS ASCENDANT. ***** Not necessarily with Jupiter in 5H. ***** As we have been discussing the role of Mars, ruler of enormous wealth , we can see its merits in this light as well. RIGHT. BUT THE SAME GOES WITH THE LEO CHART. ***** Yes ***** LO9 Ju is very strong and also placed in H5 and forms a wide aspect to the ASC Lord and ASC itself. Buffett's status and extreme wealth did not come until after 50 years of age. RIGHT, BUT HE HAS BEEN RICH AT LEAST ALL THE WAY THROUGH. HIS EARLIER ACHIEVEMENTS PAVED THE WAY FOR THE LARGER REWARDS DOWN THE ROAD. ***** Yes, but the greatest accumulation came later. Comparatively, it was peanuts before. ***** (d) Buffet's father died in 1964. With strong Mars, Jupiter and Sun, I reckon there would have to be an affliction to H9. In this case, Venus is by age weak, badly placed in H8 and close to Ke. The Leo ascendant tells us that his father would likely outlive his mother. AFFLICTIONS (IF ANY) TO THE 4TH HOUSE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT WHEN ASSESSING THE FATHER, AS THE 4TH HOUSE DEALS WITH THE PARENTS. BUFFETT'S FATHER DIED ON APRIL 30, 1964. THE NODAL AXIS WAS PASSING OVER NATAL MARS, WHICH IN THE CASE OF LEO IS THE 9TH LORD. PRIOR TO THIS, TRANSIT KETU WAS CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE SUN. IN THE LEO CHART, BUFFETT WAS IN A KETU-RAHU PERIOD. WHENEVER SUCH A PERIOD IS RUNNING, THE TRANSIT AFFLICTIONS BECOME ALL THE MORE SEVERE. ***** Yes, but the natal chart takes precendce in assessing such things. With such strong Sun, Ju and Ma in the Leo chart, death of Mother was more likely sooner than that of father. ***** His mother passed a few years ago in this decade. Moon is nicely placed in H10, though debilitated, shows better longelivity of mother with this weak Venus being the particular significator of father. RIGHT, BUT THE SUB-PERIOD AND TRANSITS IN 1964 WERE PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE FOR THE FATHER USING THE LEO CHART. ***** Without the exact chart, this is difficult to fully ascertain. Again, Su, Ju, Ma strong with weak Ve and Mo means father lives longer (broken record worth playing again ). ***** (e) Frugality itself is given by Aq. RIGHT. (f) Strong Me has given him few obstructions, and a sixth sense of the markets. RIGHT. MERCURY IS STRONG FOR ALL ASCENDANTS ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY, IF THERE IS NO HOUSE/MT AFFLICTION. (g) Fear of public speaking can be given by Aq itself, but such strong Me can remove this. ONLY IF SATURN IS WEAK FOR AQUARIUS RISING. ***** Aq signified as a servant, is prone to few words regardless of the strength of Saturn. In the Leo chart with strong Sun and Mercury, such problem would perhaps never come to light regardless of a weakness of Venus. You may find a Leo with weak Venus blundering their written communication alot. ***** Now he's a fantastic speaker. Had H3 been weak, as in the Leo asc, there would be little gains on expansive and entreprenuial business. THE GREAT INFLUENCES IN THE CHART BESIDES THE STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MARS STILL GIVE HIM AMPLE COURAGE AND PROWESS. ***** Agreed ***** (h) With weak LO9, Ve, he is an atheist and a great advocate of abortion and population control. TO A GOOD EXTENT, YES. SUN AND JUPITER ARE STRONG IN THE AQUARIUS CHART TOO, WHICH HELP. THE AQUARIUS CHART COULD HAVE MADE HIM MORE OF AN INDUSTRIALIST THAN A GIFTED INVESTOR. IN ALL, THE GREAT INFLUENCES OF THE SUN-LIKE L2 AND L9 IN THE LEO CHART ON THE 2ND HOUSE OF STATUS AND WEALTH STAND OUT OVER ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE AQUARIUS CHART HAS TO OFFER. ***** Only in terms of raw affluence. However, the other issues don't tally. ***** THERE A LOT OF WEALTHY FOLK, BUT ONLY ONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET WHO IS WEALTHIER. THE INFLUENCES OF THE STRONG SUN AND SUN-LIKE LORDS ON THE HOUSES OF PROFESSION AND STATUS SEEM TO BE NECESSARY IN SUCH A CASE. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Compared to the Leo asc, I agree re affluence. However, the Aq chart shows massive wealth as well, much more than the majority of humans. There are unresolved 9H issues for the Leo asc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:43 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Yes. The word status plays a huge role here, not just affluence or monetary wealth. Status can come from the Leo chart in an inordinate amount. Status appears to be significantly less in the Aquarius chart. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Compared to the Leo asc, I agree re affluence. However, the Aq chart shows massive wealth as well, much more than the majority of humans. There are unresolved 9H issues for the Leo asc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:43 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, Many thanks though for bringing the Aquarius possibility to my attention. It is a viable alternative, and there are unresolved questions in the case of both ascendants. This is fun. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Compared to the Leo asc, I agree re affluence. However, the Aq chart shows massive wealth as well, much more than the majority of humans. There are unresolved 9H issues for the Leo asc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:43 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. Buffet is HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dearest Arun, You are most welcome. Thank you as well. I enjoy a good pitch and someone who can bat well. It helps that we both apparently have lots of time right now. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:58 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Many thanks though for bringing the Aquarius possibility to my attention. It is a viable alternative, and there are unresolved questions in the case of both ascendants. This is fun. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Compared to the Leo asc, I agree re affluence. However, the Aq chart shows massive wealth as well, much more than the majority of humans. There are unresolved 9H issues for the Leo asc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:43 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 My dear Vyas, I am watching a baseball game while we are having this discussion (speaking of pitching and batting), so yes I have a lot of time on my hands right now. Always a pleasure to discuss. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dearest Arun, You are most welcome. Thank you as well. I enjoy a good pitch and someone who can bat well. It helps that we both apparently have lots of time right now. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:58 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Many thanks though for bringing the Aquarius possibility to my attention. It is a viable alternative, and there are unresolved questions in the case of both ascendants. This is fun. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Compared to the Leo asc, I agree re affluence. However, the Aq chart shows massive wealth as well, much more than the majority of humans. There are unresolved 9H issues for the Leo asc. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:43 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, There are suitable points for either ascendant. I don't think the Aquarius chart blesses him with the level of status that he currently has any way I slice it. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Vyas, It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his motivation for having them really is. The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of resources' thinking. Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun and Vyas, I am thoroughly enjoying the pitching and batting discussion on Warren Buffett. According to his biography, Warren's father was very, very religious. Warren was raised in a very religious home, but his logical mind couldn't accept faith without proof, though he kept this from his family until later. His father became a (very) conservative US congressman and served (I believe) 3 terms. Also, Warren's father died in the spring of 1966, not 1964. I had not seen the April 30th date, but when I was checking the month of April, 1966, I found the 13 degree Leo chart in Ketu-Saturn-Rahu, and in the 13 degree Aquarius chart- Venus-Rahu-Mercury. The father had cancer and had taken a sudden turn for the worse prior to passing. On April 10, 1966, Transit Mars was exactly on natal Rahu, Transit Jupiter exactly aspected by natal Ketu, transit Saturn exactly aspected by transit Ketu, as well as transit Mercury, and transit Sun was in late Pisces, aspected by natal Rahu. Saturn, Sun and Mercury were in the 8th in Leo chart and 2nd in the Aquarius chart. It seems to me he would have trouble with the Ketu dasa, because Ketu is weakly deposited. With the Leo ascendant, Ketu ran from 1960 to 1967, and with Aquarius from around 1950 to 1957. So, I am reading about these time periods in his life. Any opinions about the Ketu dasa are greatly appreciated. I lean toward the Leo ascendant but haven't decided and am learning from the discussion. Thanks- Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his motivation for having them really is. The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of resources' thinking. Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Ms. Powers, Thanks for the added information. Internet sources are consistently giving Rep. Howard Homan Buffett, Mr. Warren Buffett's father, an April 30, 1964 date of passing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Buffett http://www.antiwar.com/stromberg/s042401.html http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=B001039 http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/buenemeyer-bufford.html Using April 10, 1966 as the date of death, the Aquarius chart is running Venus-Rahu, which is better suited to trigger the death of the father than the Ketu-Saturn in the Leo chart. However, the transits are more adverse for the father when using the Leo chart, as you have pointed out. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear Arun and Vyas, I am thoroughly enjoying the pitching and batting discussion on Warren Buffett. According to his biography, Warren's father was very, very religious. Warren was raised in a very religious home, but his logical mind couldn't accept faith without proof, though he kept this from his family until later. His father became a (very) conservative US congressman and served (I believe) 3 terms. Also, Warren's father died in the spring of 1966, not 1964. I had not seen the April 30th date, but when I was checking the month of April, 1966, I found the 13 degree Leo chart in Ketu-Saturn-Rahu, and in the 13 degree Aquarius chart- Venus-Rahu-Mercury. The father had cancer and had taken a sudden turn for the worse prior to passing. On April 10, 1966, Transit Mars was exactly on natal Rahu, Transit Jupiter exactly aspected by natal Ketu, transit Saturn exactly aspected by transit Ketu, as well as transit Mercury, and transit Sun was in late Pisces, aspected by natal Rahu. Saturn, Sun and Mercury were in the 8th in Leo chart and 2nd in the Aquarius chart. It seems to me he would have trouble with the Ketu dasa, because Ketu is weakly deposited. With the Leo ascendant, Ketu ran from 1960 to 1967, and with Aquarius from around 1950 to 1957. So, I am reading about these time periods in his life. Any opinions about the Ketu dasa are greatly appreciated. I lean toward the Leo ascendant but haven't decided and am learning from the discussion. Thanks- Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his motivation for having them really is. The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of resources' thinking. Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Arun, Thanks for clarifying. I did some further reading on Saturn. From the SA sutras: S9 In the spiritual spheres Sa signifies philosophical, humanitarian & religious thinking. " S11: On Saturnian virtues: " A well placed & strong Sa gives the Saturnian spiritual virtues of responsibility, love of meticulous detail, a capacity for concentration, love of service, a capacity for detachment, discipline, self-introspection & austerity and thus proves to be an asset for the spiritual life. " {Saturn in either consideration will give this} S15: On Bhakti: " If the 5H has no MT sign, the bhakti aspect of the 5H is transferred to the 9H. " {both 5 & 9 very strong in Leo chart, lots of bhakti} The Leo chart has too much religious morality to it to justify atheism, funding of pro-abortion programs and population control, and longelivity of father compared to mother. Weak LO9 in the Aq chart fits better. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:15 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It is not that. I am talking about the likely source of his views-- what his motivation for having them really is. The house of mental inclinations is the 5th house. Strong Saturn's close influence on the 5th house, on the alternate house of children the 2nd, and on the lord of the 2nd Mercury are what contribute to his restrictive 'scarcity of resources' thinking. Saturn's influence is more profound here on his mental inclinations as it is placed in the 5th house, and imparts its influence on/from there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Even if economics **may** be his religion, in astrology the definition of religion is a consistent one outside of a personal definition. If this wasn't the case, any house and any planet could mean anything. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:46 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The big thing with Mr. Buffett is his loyalty to economics above all else. Economics is his religion. His views have more to do with what is best for the world economically speaking than they do with any kind of anti-religious sentiment. Astrologically speaking, the Sun and Jupiter should be looked at above both the 5th and 9th houses individually, as both have to do with the issue of children/progeny as well as morality and generosity. The close influence of strong but restrictive in nature Saturn on the 5th house, 2nd house, and 2nd lord contribute to these views. The 5th house also represents one's inclinations, and a strong Saturnian influence along with its placement there can lead to a long-lasting mental and emotional imprint there. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Taken together, I'd label this more of a 9H issue since 5H issues seem to be taken care of nicely (children and higher education). One doesn't have to be an atheist to take such a stance, but it certainly helps and fits very well with the Aq asc. As you have mentioned the 8H Me and Ve-Ke conj, it wouldn't put it past anyone in this line of work to have strong significations for the 6th sense/precognition. In fact, it's almost a requirement from what I've seen. Sometimes I just randomly wake up at the perfect minute only to get onboard fantastic trades, or I get tremors in my body when I am on the wrong side of the market or about to do something that I will not be happy with. I know some of the best traders and they all have good strength in this area more than the average person. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:11 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, When both the Sun and Jupiter are strong, 9th house issues can made up for to a good extent. I've seen charts where L9 is badly placed or afflicted and the strength of Sun and/or Jupiter have acted as nice balancing factors. Population control and abortion are more 5th house issues than 9th house issues. One doesn't have to be an athiest to support such stances. He seems to be driven by economic principles above anything else. L9 in the 8th and conjunct Ketu would give him an interest in the mystical/occult, especially with the dispositor Mercury strong and in the 8th house itself. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, Publicly supporting pro-abortion in the billions and advocating population control is inline with atheistic views. Hits closer to home than a closet case religious man. We should see the Professor's view on these 9H issues. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, The proclamation of being an athiest saves him the trouble of answering any touchy religious questions. Plus he can champion any and all causes without having to deal with the religious side of things, or having religious groups nagging at him. He may be doing it more as a matter of convenience and to be politically correct (in a roundabout way). Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, I don't think you'd tell the world that you are an athiest if you were the second wealthiest man in the world. Additionally, Venus rules accmulated wealth. In this case it's weak and afflicted. Ruling the 9H of fortune, we can see that it's completely inline with giving it all away. The Leo chart shows holding on to it more by Mars. I think if there was an individual born at that perfect moment in the Leo asc, he'd certainly be wealthier than the one in the Aq Asc. However, he wouldn't be an atheist, pro abortion and his father would have outlived his mother. Additionally, he would have pased on alot of his wealth to his genetic empire. I reckon the issue here isn't " which is the wealthiest of that day, " rather, " which asc fits him best. " Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:21 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, As a Leo with a strong Mars, I am not openly religious. When asked what my religious views are, I would reply that I am ambivalent and am open to all sorts of divination. I do not champion religious causes publicly, though I am very much religiously inclined in my private life. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In this Leo consideration case with such a stong Mars, it's unlikely for secrecy and to be openly noted as an atheist. Issue of father's longelivity isn't explained either in the Leo chart. Also, strong supporter and advocate of abortion and population control (billions in charity towards it) - must have a weak 9H despite such strong Ju and Su. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:14 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, Perhaps the strong Saturnian influences keeps this in check (at least in the case of Mars)? He may be privately religious under such influences, but have a pessimistic view on religion in general. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, In the case of Leo, there is no 'secretive' influence to LO9, very strong Mars. Such a Leo chart would likely be a strong advocate of religious principles, publicly, taken with the strong spiritual planets Jupiter and Sun. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:36 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Vyas, It's hard for me to say. What people say in public and what they could be doing in private can be drastically different. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Professor, Arun and list, Buffett is an atheist from what I could find. What can give rise to this in a Leo asc chart? Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:12 PM Re: Warren Buffett Dear Ms. Powers, You have such wonderful enthusiasm for all of this, which is so nice to see. I'm leaning towards Leo ascendant for the following reasons: (a) It is the only ascendant that gives us no bad placements of any of the 9 planets on 8/30/1930. (b) He looks like a Leo who would be having the Sun closely influencing the ascendant. He has a wide face with stronger than average facial bone structure. He has a broad, strong forehead. These are Sun-inspired physical traits. © His 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses are powerful with there being ample strong close influences on them. All of these houses can bless one with financial gains when strong. The incredible strength of the 2nd house stands out the most. (d) The Sun is strong, L2 is strong, and L9 is strong. The strong L2 and L9 act like a Sun. Both L2 and L9 are strongly influencing the 2nd house of status and wealth, along with there being the influence of the strong Sun on the ascendant itself! This is an incredibly powerful chart. (d) He chooses to live frugally, which is a trait inspired by the heavy Saturnian influence on L2 and on the 2nd house. The prime significator for assets here is Mercury. Mercury is a planet that lives humbly, along with Saturn. The weakness of and close affliction to Venus contribute as well, along with the weakness of the 12th lord, Moon. (e) The weakness of and close affliction to L3 Venus accounts for his fear of public speaking. Hope this helps. Best Wishes, Arun Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear List, Vyas got me interested in Warren Buffett, and I checked out the book " Buffet, The Making of an American Capitalist " by Roger Lowenstein, at the library. The book has a lot of good personal information, though no birth time. On Aug 13, 1931, Warren's father's bank where he worked closed, and he lost his job and all savings. Also, Warren's mother had mental and emotional problems and raged at the children on a regular basis. (perhaps debillitated moon in 4th-Oprah Winfrey, according to internet sources, is Leo with moon in fourth and had problems with mother). On Aug 13, 1931, the most afflicted ascendants for father were Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. On Warren's date of birth, the ascendants with the most strong benefics were -Leo-5, Libra-4, Sagittarius-5, Aquarius-4, Aries-4, and Gemini-5. (This is keeping the MEP away from nodes). Leo, however, had the most combinations for wealth (benefics in or aspecting 2, 5, 11, and 9. Warren and family suffered poverty in his early years due to the depression, and this provided strong motivation to Warren- by the age of 5 he was stating he would grow up and be very rich. With the Leo ascendant,(depending on degree) Warren was born in Ketu subperiod, followed by weak Venus subperiod. If he is Leo, since the chart is so strong, the early weak sub periods provided strong motivation rather than hampering him in life. I was randomly checking a 6:40 birthtime which gave around 22 degrees Leo, but will check out 's suggestion of around 13 degrees rising. I will finish reading the book and check out the events against the other likely ascendants-I was strongly favoring a Leo ascendant, and glad to hear that the Professor and Arun see the same thing. But I will check out the other ascendant to make sure I am objective. I also saw strong possibility with Sagittarius and Aquarius. I really enjoy the list discussion-Sincerely, Sheri Powers Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Vyas, The nature of the prime determinant of profession should also be looked at. In the case of Leo, Mercury is the trader of the zodiac. Coupled with strong 5th/11th houses, a career in speculative activities seems to be a stronger possibility. Best Wishes, Arun Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: Dear Arun, As you've pointed out Saturnian influence can give this frugality. How about an Aq asc? Certainly it would show strong Sun/Leo traits with Su L7 Aq if the MEP is as suspected. It shows show fantastic affluence through investments as well. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:38 AM Re: Warren Buffett My dear Esteemed Professor and Vyas, Leo ascendant folk (myself included) have a unique look, especially when the Sun influences the ascendant or 2nd house (face) closely. One can expect a wider face with strong bone structure therein. The nose may be prominent and somewhat wide. Mr. Buffett also has a strong forehead, which is consistent with other Leo's. Hence my initial assessment was Leo. Being one, I know one when I see one Best Wishes, Arun siha wrote: Hello Vyas, Leo with 12 to 13 degree risings gives a good possibility. Best wishes, - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:32 AM Re: Warren Buffett > Dear Professor, > > What Asc in your opinion would suit the second wealthiest man in the world > who lives like a miser comparatively? > > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > > - > " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:44 PM > Re: Warren Buffett > > > My dear Vyas, > > Yes it would be nice to have his chart. > > In my view, the potential ascendants are: > > Leo > Virgo > Libra > Pisces > > Those would be the 4 ascendants that I think are within reason. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Dear Jorge and Arun, > > You are right, it does need more study. It would be nice to understand the > chart of the man publicly noted as the second wealthiest man in the world. > > If this helps the discussion... > > A key thing about Buffett's is that he lives very frugally despite great > wealth - 100k/yr and in the same 5 bedroom stucko house he bought many > years > ago. He supports abortion and population control. He didn't always succeed > with his educational plans, but by luck the second choices positioned him > better, contact-wise. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino > > Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:47 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Arun, > > I agree with you. Deeper examination is needed. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > On Behalf > Of Arun Rao > quarta-feira, 2 de Agosto de 2006 01:34 > > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > My dear Mr. Angelino, > > Thank you for your efforts. > > Western astrologers use a " natural noon " chart to give one a general > overview of what the planets in various signs mean. When there is no > verified time, they default to noon, as I'm sure you're well aware of. > > Like you say, when there is no worthy time to base rectifications off of, > it > becomes guesswork. > > Mr. Buffett seems to resemble a Leo Asc. facially speaking, but obviously > we > cannot go based on that alone. On first glance, when seeing the placements > of planets on August 30, 1930, Leo appears to be a suitable ascendant. > > But deeper examination is needed. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > Jorge Angelino <HYPERLINK > " jorge.angelino%40netvisao.pt " jorge.angelino@-netvisao.-pt> wrote: > Dear Vyas, > > Thanks for the list of events. They also come in the link of my previous > message. > > Generally, a deep research needs always to be done before one can dive in > a > successful rectification process. I have looked over the net but no > trustable link came regarding his TOB. May be other interested list > members > have a better luck. > > Best wishes, > > Jorge > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " ] On Behalf Of > Vyas Munidas > terça-feira, 1 de Agosto de 2006 20:08 > HYPERLINK " %40 " > Re: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > Dear Jorge, > > Thanks for your response. I've been chatting with Arun Rao about this > chart. > He thinks that Buffet has a face that looks like a Leo's. I've included a > timeline significant and semi-significant events of Buffet's life in hopes > that we can better gauge the ascendant. Please, when you and other > esteemed > members have a chance, give your opinions. Thanks. > > Born 30/08/1930 Omaha NE. 06:00 CST > > 1944: (14 years old) > invested $1,200 of his savings into 40 acres of farmland > > 1945: (15 years old) > first job > > 1947: (17 years old) > freshman at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. > > 1950: (20 years old) > Turned down from Harvard Business School. He eventually enrolled at > Columbia. > > 1952: (22 years old) > Buffett married Susan Thompson in April of 1952. First child, female > > 1954: (24 years old) > New job with Graham > Second child, male > > 1956: (26 years old) > Buffett's personal savings grew from $9,800 to over $140,000. The Buffett > family returned home to Omaha. On May 1, Buffett created Buffett > Associates, > Ltd., an investment partnership. Seven family members and friends put in a > total of $105,000. Buffett himself invested only $100. Over the course of > the year, > > 1957: (27 years old) > Third child, Peter, > Purchased a five-bedroom house > > 1960: (30 years old) > Buffett asked one of his partners, a doctor, to find 10 other doctors who > will be willing to invest $10,000 each into his partnership. Eventually, > 11 > doctors agreed to invest. > > 1961: (31 years old) > With the partnerships worth millions, Buffett made his first $1 million > investment in a windmill-manufactur--ing company. > > 1965: (35 years old) > Buffett's father, Howard Buffett, died. 1966: (36 years old) > > 1968: (38 years old) > Buffett became a trustee of Grinnell College, a prestigious liberal arts > college in Iowa. > > 1969: (39 years old) > Following his most successful year, Buffett closed the partnership and > liquidated its assets to his partners. > > 1971: (41 years old) > At his wife's request, Buffett purchased a $150,000 summer home at Laguna > Beach. > > 1974: (44 years old) > Due to falling stock prices, the value of Berkshire's stock portfolio > began > to fall. Buffet's personal wealth was cut by more than 50%. The U.S. > Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation into > Warren > GH Buffett and one of Berkshire's mergers. Nothing ever came of the > investigation. > > 1977: (47 years old) > Berkshire indirectly purchased the Buffalo Evening News for $32.5 million. > Buffet would later be brought up on antitrust charges by a competing > paper. > Wife, Susan leaves Buffet, although not officially divorcing him. This > caused considerable emotional distress for Buffett. > > 1983: (53 years old) > Net worth reached $620 million, placing him on the Forbes 400 for the > first > time. > > 1988: (58 years old) > Buffett began buying stock in Coca-Cola Company, eventually purchasing up > to > 7 percent of the company for $1.02 billion. It would turn out to be one of > Berkshire's most lucrative investments. > > 1989: (59 years old) > Berkshire rose from $4,800 per share to over $8,000. Buffet's net worth > rose > with it to $3.8 billion. > > 1997: (67 years old) > Buffett purchased nearly 130 million ounces of silver as an investment at > about $6 per ounce. > > 2002: (72 years old) > Buffett entered in $11 billion worth of forward contracts to deliver US > dollars against other currencies. By April 2006, his total gain on these > contracts was over $2 billion. > > 2003: (73 years old) > By December 31 his gain on the contracts from last year was over $600 > million dollars. > Buffett also placed second to Ralph Nader in an online web poll, conducted > by iswitched.org, of possible candidates for the Green Party nominee for > President in 2004.[14] > > 2004: (74 years old) > Buffett is criticized for the position he held on the board of Coca-Cola > Company, since some institutional investors saw this as a conflict of > interest with Berkshire's ownership of Dairy Queen and McLane, heavy > buyers > of many Coca-Cola products. Buffett's reply: " Do they want us to favor > Pepsi? " > > 2005: (75 years old) > The gains from the 2002 contract were reduced in 2005 when the US dollar > strengthened. Hurricane Katrina caused losses to Berkshire's reinsurance > divisions. > > 2006: (76 years old) > > Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway faced difficulties over their General Re > Insurance unit, which was accused of questionable dealings with American > International Group. > Buffett makes many acquisitions during the year, largest purchase he has > ever made outside of the United States. > Buffett announced in June that he will give away more than 80% or about > $37 > billion of his $44 billion fortune to five foundations in annual gifts of > stock starting in July 2006. > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " Jorge Angelino " <HYPERLINK > " jorge.-angelino%-40netvisao.-pt " jorge.-angelino@--netvisao.--pt> > <HYPERLINK " %-40.-com " HYPERLINK > " %40-s.com " (AT) --s (DOT) com> > Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:40 AM > RE: To Jorge Angelino and List, re Warren Buffet > > > My dear Vyas, > > > > > > > > I have not such rectified charts in my data. > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, the Libra ascendant is a good one to become a > > millionaire, as the Sun rules H11, which gives the native the > > possibility > > of having friendship with the government and important people. > > > > > > > > A good link about W. 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