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Thank you Therese for your warm welcome and the link, certainly it

helps. Will be reading and come back with comments and questions sure

....

 

best wishes,

alhena c.

 

 

--- therese hamilton <eastwest escribió:

 

 

 

Alhena C wrote:

 

Dear people at the Sidereal list,

 

>>Thanks to the moderator for accepting me in the group. I am a

south american woman astrologer, interested in several areas of

astrology ... stars, prediction, vedic, traditional ... i am curious

and further i like to write, also publish an astrology magazine in

Spanish. I'm a psychologist too, but not very fond of what is called

" astropsychology " . See this group started end 1999 so there is a good

treasure of messages to be read, which i started to do, so as to

understand your perspective.

 

Dear Alhena,

 

Welcome to the sidereal astrology list--which has been very quiet

lately

since summer is starting. I was also a psychologist, but didn't like

'astropsychology.' So now I study and write.

 

>>Both zodiacal and sidereal astrology are interesting to me, often I

compare both charts and consider the intersections as important points,

specially with countries or events. But I am not a learned person as to

sidereal, so I hope will be learning from all of you. Wonder why I

never met this group, now a comment and link at the Astrolog_List made

it possible.

 

Your English is quite good! This list tends to emphasize political

(country) and event astrology, so I hope you find some of the past

posts

interesting. There is so much variety in the posts, so just ignore

posts

that you don't find interesting or that are difficult to understand. A

link

to one view of an introduction to sidereal astrology is below. There

are

other perspectives on sidereal astrology as well.

 

http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

 

Sincerely,

Therese

Acting Moderator

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sari,

 

Welcome to the sidereal group and for telling us about your experience with

zodiac signs. Thanks for checking out my site! Your post is a reminder for

me to complete writing on the remaining signs. I should retire from the

internet for two weeks, as the internet is the main reason the writing

isn't finished! Please continue to tell us about your experiences with

astrological charts.

 

Can you post the data of the colleague you mentioned? And maybe say a

little more about his life? If the data was anonymous, maybe he wouldn't

mind? It should be Mercury and its aspects that determine whether a person

is talkative or quiet.

 

Also, feel free to ask specific quesitons about signs and rulers in

relation to charts in your files. In my opinion, there is still a lot of

mis-information about the signs out there. I've been doing some research on

signs that I'll try to post here soon.

 

You're from Finland! A special country, I've always felt. I was in northern

Europe only once a long time ago.

 

Best wishes,

Therese

 

At 03:26 PM 6/23/05 +0300, you wrote:

>

>Hello all,

>

>I'm a new member too. I got recently interested in the sidereal zodiac,

>when I struggled with a chart of a colleague, tropically a Gemini Sun

>and Leo rising. Now one would think that this person is a motor mouth

>always on the top of any situation, but he's just contrary: one of the

>quietest men I know. Says hardly anything and if he's got to speak he

>does it as sparingly as possible. Sideareally he has a Taurean Sun and

>Cancer rising and that fits like a glove. That made me to take a closer

>look, what this all is about and it didn't take long until I was

>converted.

>

>I've been really impressed about the fitting of the rising signs; this

>is the first time in my over ten years of study of astrology, when I've

>really seen some sense in the Sun signs; I love it when I can see the

>symbolism working plain and simple without needing to take a lesson in

>Jungian psychology; I can't believe it how telling the mundane charts

>suddenly become... etc. etc. etc. To say it in one word: I'm really

>excited.

>

>I've studied a little traditional/medieval/hellenistic astrology in the

>last few months and now I've read what Therese has written on her site

>about the elements and rulerships. When I look at my own chart

>collection, those things seem to make sense. I loved the note about the

>traditional rulerships losing their meaning on the tropical zodiac so

>that you have to invent new ones. Now I'm wondering, could it be that

>the traditional rulerships, house rulers, dignities, temperaments etc.

>really start to work only on the sidereal zodiac and I'm going to do my

>share to find that out. I know that there's many Vedic astrologers here

>and I know almost nothing about that area.

>

>All the best, Sari (Finland, Europe)

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, " vorcirith93 "

<vorcirith93> wrote: I've been studying astrology for almost a

year now, (snip) I joined here out of curiosity. I use astrodeinst to

draw up charts, I might like to look at sidereal charts to see what

the difference is. Not interested at this juncture in natal, you guys

talk about stunning accuracy though, that's cool. Do you practice

talismanic magic? Linea Viridis Gyrat Universa. Vorcirith

>

REPLY: First, welcome to the list. Sidereal Astrology might be said

to be any or several of a variety of methodologies, all of which

utilize the Sidereal Zodiac or the precession-corrected Tropical

Zodiac for measuring purposes. Some also use meanings attributed to

the Sidereal Zodiac much as Tropical Zodiac users do.

 

There are several " schools of thought and practice " within the

Sidereal community. Among these, but not limited to these, are the

Vedic/Indian practioners who use their own types of charts,

terminology and practices -- all of which are different from what most

of us understand " Western " astrology to consist of. The " Western "

school of Siderealists can be broken into several loose groups. Some

of these are influenced by the teachings and explorations of Cyril

Fagan who popularized Sidereal practices in the US during the 1970s

and 1980s. He explored and advocated a number of practices which had

a common attribute of " accuracy " in terms of timing and meaning

relative to more conventional astrological practices used in many

magazines. You would have to explore these several areas of usage to

determine which appealed to you.

 

If you have specific question please ask or visit our files to see

what interests you. Good luck on your exploration. Dave

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Note: Forwarded message attached

 

-- Original Message --

 

" pankaj upadhyay " <p_upadhyay2

 

Re: New Member

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kunal

 

over all financial gains will be good but currently u are running sadesati period (2nd phase) and saturn is moving over the natel saturn so period would toublesum or can not be say good, currently u are passing saturn mahadasa and sun anterdasa till dec-06 ,sun is 2nd lord but placed in 12th house (house of losses) and his anterdasa is in enemies sign, situation will be favourable afterthat.

 

marrige may take place soon , time is favourable for the marrige, major chances are love marrige, spouse will surely represent a distance place from the ur birth place, ur marrige life and spouse both seems to be very good.

 

Pankaj Upadhyay

Indore

Cell : 98930-21319

 

 

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 mehtakunal2707 wrote :

>Dear Sir,

>

>Could you please analyse my chart with regards to the following:

>

>Fiancial state (currently in business)

>

>Marraige (Unmarried) love/arranged...type of spouse...etc.

>

>Male

>18/06/1977

>8=15am

>mumbai

>

>Please revert,

>

>Best Regards,

>

>Kunal

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Pankaji,

 

Thanks very much for your time. I am very greatful.

 

Just wish to clarify 1-2 points,

 

Finance has been a problem since the beginning, I mean there is

absolutely no chance for saving. There are more losses than gains,

always. There is not enough earning.

 

Regards to marraige, can u pls expalin 'distant place from birth'. Is

it possible this year..? Since there isn't a presence of love currently.

 

Anyways thanks very much for your time once again,

 

God Bless

 

Regards,

 

Kunal

 

 

 

 

 

, " pankaj upadhyay "

<p_upadhyay2@r...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Note: Forwarded message attached

>

> -- Original Message --

>

> " pankaj upadhyay " <p_upadhyay2@r...>

>

> Re: New Member

>

>

> Dear Kunal

>

> over all financial gains will be good but currently u are running

sadesati period (2nd phase) and saturn is moving over the natel saturn

so period would toublesum or can not be say good, currently u are

passing saturn mahadasa and sun anterdasa till dec-06 ,sun is 2nd lord

but placed in 12th house (house of losses) and his anterdasa is in

enemies sign, situation will be favourable afterthat.

>

> marrige may take place soon , time is favourable for the marrige,

major chances are love marrige, spouse will surely represent a

distance place from the ur birth place, ur marrige life and spouse

both seems to be very good.

>

> Pankaj Upadhyay

> Indore

> Cell : 98930-21319

>

>

> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 mehtakunal2707 wrote :

> >Dear Sir,

> >

> >Could you please analyse my chart with regards to the following:

> >

> >Fiancial state (currently in business)

> >

> >Marraige (Unmarried) love/arranged...type of spouse...etc.

> >

> >Male

> >18/06/1977

> >8=15am

> >mumbai

> >

> >Please revert,

> >

> >Best Regards,

> >

> >Kunal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Pankaji,

 

Thanks very much for your time. I am very greatful.

 

Just wish to clarify 1-2 points,

 

Finance has been a problem since the beginning, I mean there is

absolutely no chance for saving. There are more losses than gains,

always. There is not enough earning.

 

Regards to marraige, can u pls expalin 'distant place from birth'. Is

it possible this year..? Since there isn't a presence of love currently.

 

Anyways thanks very much for your time once again,

 

God Bless

 

Regards,

 

Kunal

 

 

 

 

 

, " pankaj upadhyay "

> <p_upadhyay2@r...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: Forwarded message attached

> >

> > -- Original Message --

> >

> > " pankaj upadhyay " <p_upadhyay2@r...>

> >

> > Re: New Member

> >

> >

> > Dear Kunal

> >

> > over all financial gains will be good but currently u are running

> sadesati period (2nd phase) and saturn is moving over the natel saturn

> so period would toublesum or can not be say good, currently u are

> passing saturn mahadasa and sun anterdasa till dec-06 ,sun is 2nd lord

> but placed in 12th house (house of losses) and his anterdasa is in

> enemies sign, situation will be favourable afterthat.

> >

> > marrige may take place soon , time is favourable for the marrige,

> major chances are love marrige, spouse will surely represent a

> distance place from the ur birth place, ur marrige life and spouse

> both seems to be very good.

> >

> > Pankaj Upadhyay

> > Indore

> > Cell : 98930-21319

> >

> >

> > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 mehtakunal2707 wrote :

> > >Dear Sir,

> > >

> > >Could you please analyse my chart with regards to the following:

> > >

> > >Fiancial state (currently in business)

> > >

> > >Marraige (Unmarried) love/arranged...type of spouse...etc.

> > >

> > >Male

> > >18/06/1977

> > >8=15am

> > >mumbai

> > >

> > >Please revert,

> > >

> > >Best Regards,

> > >

> > >Kunal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Pankaji,

>

> Thanks very much for your time. I am very greatful.

>

> Just wish to clarify 1-2 points,

>

> Finance has been a problem since the beginning, I mean there is

> absolutely no chance for saving. There are more losses than gains,

> always. There is not enough earning.

>

> Regards to marraige, can u pls expalin 'distant place from birth'. Is

> it possible this year..? Since there isn't a presence of love

currently.

>

> Anyways thanks very much for your time once again,

>

> God Bless

>

> Regards,

>

> Kunal

>

>

>

>

>

> , " pankaj upadhyay "

> > <p_upadhyay2@r...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note: Forwarded message attached

> > >

> > > -- Original Message --

> > >

> > > " pankaj upadhyay " <p_upadhyay2@r...>

> > >

> > > Re: New Member

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kunal

> > >

> > > over all financial gains will be good but currently u are running

> > sadesati period (2nd phase) and saturn is moving over the natel saturn

> > so period would toublesum or can not be say good, currently u are

> > passing saturn mahadasa and sun anterdasa till dec-06 ,sun is 2nd lord

> > but placed in 12th house (house of losses) and his anterdasa is in

> > enemies sign, situation will be favourable afterthat.

> > >

> > > marrige may take place soon , time is favourable for the marrige,

> > major chances are love marrige, spouse will surely represent a

> > distance place from the ur birth place, ur marrige life and spouse

> > both seems to be very good.

> > >

> > > Pankaj Upadhyay

> > > Indore

> > > Cell : 98930-21319

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 mehtakunal2707 wrote :

> > > >Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > >Could you please analyse my chart with regards to the following:

> > > >

> > > >Fiancial state (currently in business)

> > > >

> > > >Marraige (Unmarried) love/arranged...type of spouse...etc.

> > > >

> > > >Male

> > > >18/06/1977

> > > >8=15am

> > > >mumbai

> > > >

> > > >Please revert,

> > > >

> > > >Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > >Kunal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Pankaji,

 

Thanks very much for your time. I am very greatful.

 

Just wish to clarify 1-2 points,

 

Finance has been a problem since the beginning, I mean there is

absolutely no chance for saving. There are more losses than gains,

always. There is not enough earning.

 

Regards to marraige, can u pls expalin 'distant place from birth'. Is

it possible this year..? Since there isn't a presence of love

currently.

 

Anyways thanks very much for your time once again,

 

God Bless

 

Regards,

 

Kunal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " pankaj upadhyay "

> > > <p_upadhyay2@r...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Note: Forwarded message attached

> > > >

> > > > -- Original Message --

> > > >

> > > > " pankaj upadhyay " <p_upadhyay2@r...>

> > > >

> > > > Re: New Member

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kunal

> > > >

> > > > over all financial gains will be good but currently u are running

> > > sadesati period (2nd phase) and saturn is moving over the natel

saturn

> > > so period would toublesum or can not be say good, currently u are

> > > passing saturn mahadasa and sun anterdasa till dec-06 ,sun is

2nd lord

> > > but placed in 12th house (house of losses) and his anterdasa is in

> > > enemies sign, situation will be favourable afterthat.

> > > >

> > > > marrige may take place soon , time is favourable for the marrige,

> > > major chances are love marrige, spouse will surely represent a

> > > distance place from the ur birth place, ur marrige life and spouse

> > > both seems to be very good.

> > > >

> > > > Pankaj Upadhyay

> > > > Indore

> > > > Cell : 98930-21319

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 mehtakunal2707 wrote :

> > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > >Could you please analyse my chart with regards to the following:

> > > > >

> > > > >Fiancial state (currently in business)

> > > > >

> > > > >Marraige (Unmarried) love/arranged...type of spouse...etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >Male

> > > > >18/06/1977

> > > > >8=15am

> > > > >mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > >Please revert,

> > > > >

> > > > >Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >Kunal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Hello Joanna. When I first started to uncover the Sidereal approach I

had just read Fagan and Bradley also. I liked what I found. To get

others involved I merely showed them the results of " precession

corrected Solar Returns and Lunar Returns " and let them continue using

their Tropical ephemerids. Soon I had a lot of converts.

 

You'll find a number of " Siderealists " here following several variants

of practice. Over time you'll find who does what and that not all can

or will answer any given post because they are focused on a different

area.

 

As for new books, I only know of the one I am putting together which

focus on daily-progressions or " in-betweens " from one solar return to

the next solar return. I've found several approaches that go beyond

what Fagan and others have done, and have found this form of chart to

permit quite accurate forecasts/predictions which can be applied to

individuals or mundane/political events.

 

With the passing of some of those who revived what we now call

" western sidereal astrology " , the loss of American Astrology magazine

which covered the Sidereal interests, and the scattering of some of

those who were/are active in Sidereal astrology we are now in a " quiet

period. " There are a number of activists who may singly or

collectively get things going again -- lists such as this may be part

of that solution.

 

Stick with us, share your thoughts, post and lets see what happens. Dave

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It is too bad that Fagan has that 8th house Mars 135 Saturn that would put a

brake on runaway success after death. Just the dues to pay for the partile

Sun-Moon trine ~ the

Saturn-Uranus conjunction ~ the Mercury/Pluto = Neptune.

 

Dark*Star

_________________________________

 

Dave wrote:

 

> You'll find a number of " Siderealists " here following several variants

> of practice. Over time you'll find who does what and that not all can

> or will answer any given post because they are focused on a different

> area.

>

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Well, Jojo, I do have a little knowledge . . . Cyril was a great teacher, that

pushed his students further than they thought they could go. He was careful in

what he taught, and he wanted to make sure everyone could follow in the same

footsteps.

 

Grandpa Zaad.

 

pluto_jojo <pluto_jojo wrote:

Hi, I'm Joanna; I just signed on here. There are no siderealists where

I live, so I'm sure it's going to be great to be among like-minded

folk. My knowledge of astrology is probably at the intermediate level.

I've studied Fagan/Bradley but not extensively. Was curious - if

anyone has the time to reply - is anybody writing books in the present

day on siderealism? When I search for books, I can only ever find old

out-of-print copies by F/B. Is anyone building on their

accomplishments? Also, this question is not sidereal in nature, but if

someone out there can answer it, I'd be most appreciative...is there

any difference in personality or life events of someone born during an

eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon conjunction or

opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

 

Thank you. I look forward to being a part of this group and learning

more about siderealism. Joanna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Zaad,

Please accept my apologies...

I confused you with someone else.

 

Dark*Star

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Zaad Dorminy wrote:

 

> Well, Jojo, I do have a little knowledge . . . Cyril was a great teacher, that

pushed his students further than they thought they could go. He was careful in

what he taught, and he wanted to make sure everyone could follow in the same

footsteps.

>

> Grandpa Zaad.

>

> pluto_jojo <pluto_jojo wrote:

> Hi, I'm Joanna; I just signed on here. There are no siderealists where

> I live, so I'm sure it's going to be great to be among like-minded

> folk. My knowledge of astrology is probably at the intermediate level.

> I've studied Fagan/Bradley but not extensively. Was curious - if

> anyone has the time to reply - is anybody writing books in the present

> day on siderealism? When I search for books, I can only ever find old

> out-of-print copies by F/B. Is anyone building on their

> accomplishments? Also, this question is not sidereal in nature, but if

> someone out there can answer it, I'd be most appreciative...is there

> any difference in personality or life events of someone born during an

> eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon conjunction or

> opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

>

> Thank you. I look forward to being a part of this group and learning

> more about siderealism. Joanna

>

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

> Post message:

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Hi Joanna,

 

Welcome to the sidereal group. We've been mastly quiet lately as have

many astrology lists, perhaps because we live in stressful times.

 

This site was started by a follower of the Fagan-Bradley school of

sidereal astrology. Perhaps because the system was so highly

technical, it never caught on with the majority of astrologers. In

the early 90s astrologers from India introduced Jyotish/Vedic to the

west. Because Jyotish employs many of the techniques used by Tropical

astrology, it has attained a fair following, and many web sites are

now devoted to Jyotish. So the sidereal zodiac is being introduced to

tropical astrologers via Jyotish rather than the Fagan-Bradley school.

 

Both Jyotish and the western sidereal system (Fagan-Bradley) use the

sidereal zodiac, but there is a one degree difference in the starting

point of the zodiac. This site has had many posts from both

approaches to astrology.

 

As for your question asking if someone is writing a book devoted to

western sidereal astrology, I know that Kenneth Bowser had one in the

works. If this book is finished, it will be highly technical. There

is no newer book built on the principles of western sidereal

astrology, though there are abundant new books on Jyotish appearing

often. The Fagan-Bradley system never developed a comprehensive natal

astrology. Most of the work was devoted to timing, ingress charts and

solar and lunar returns.

 

One main contribution to natal astrology by early members of the

Fagan-Bradley school was noting that the observed traits of Tropical

signs really belonged to the underlying sidereal signs. I have built

on this idea. Please see this web site for details:

http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

 

Some older western sidereal astrologers don't support the approach to

signs discussed in the above web site and instead emphasize natal

planets on the angles. The idea of sign traits seems never to have

caught on with long-time members of the Fagan-Bradley school.

 

One important influence Cyril Fagan did have on Tropical astrology

was to point out the accuracy of the sidereal return charts. So now a

number of tropical astrologers correct their returns for precession

so the same planets are on the angles as in the sidereal retruns.

 

I personally don't know the answer to your eclipse question.

 

Sincerely,

Therese Hamilton

Acting MOderator

 

At 05:56 PM 3/5/06 -0000, Joanna wrote:

>Hi, I'm Joanna; I just signed on here. There are no siderealists

where

>I live, so I'm sure it's going to be great to be among like-minded

>folk. My knowledge of astrology is probably at the intermediate

level.

>I've studied Fagan/Bradley but not extensively. Was curious - if

>anyone has the time to reply - is anybody writing books in the

present

>day on siderealism? When I search for books, I can only ever find

old

>out-of-print copies by F/B. Is anyone building on their

>accomplishments? Also, this question is not sidereal in nature, but

if

>someone out there can answer it, I'd be most appreciative...is there

>any difference in personality or life events of someone born during

an

>eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon conjunction or

>opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

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....is there any difference in personality or life events of someone

born during an eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon

conjunction or opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

>

Sorry I overlooked this question in my previous reply. I can cite some

limited examples. I have a daughter born an hour or so before an

eclipse. She had very low energy levels, didn't walk or talk much

before 20 months of age. An attempt to disciplin her by taking

something away resulted in a shrug and total acceptance without

protest. Yet, at times she could be extrodinarily emotional and have

violent outbursts.

 

Another case, in which I know very little, was another female born

about three hours before the eclipse -- also exhibited a very laid

back, non-energetic approach to life, almost apathetic about anything

except their core concerns.

 

Thats it. Dave

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pluto_jojo wrote:

 

> Also, this question is not sidereal in nature, but if

>someone out there can answer it, I'd be most appreciative...is there

>any difference in personality or life events of someone born during an

>eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon conjunction or

>opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

>

>

>

Hi Joanna,

 

You might try looking into some of the Vedic ideas regarding the Nodes

(Rahu and Ketu) as these are the additional factors to be considered

during as eclipse (as opposed to a simple Sun/Moon configuration).

 

Here is a link that is very informative from Indian astrologer Komilla

Sutton:

 

http://www.komilla.com/pages/rahu-ketu.html

 

Generally Indians give more negative effects associated with eclipses,

as the Nodes are thought to 'swallow up' the luminaries. This idea goes

back as far as India's most ancient text, the Rig Veda.

In addition, a New Moon is considered much worse that a Full Moon

(which is generally considered favorable). Factors associated with the

Moon (mother, mind, vision etc) are considered harmed due to the Moon's

combustion (at New Moon). There is also a distinction given to the

waxing and waning Moon---one moving towards fullness and light, the

other to darkness and ultimate extinction.

 

During a total Solar Eclipse, both the Sun and Moon are considered

harmed--the Sun because it's light is completely obliterated and the

Moon due it's full combustion. The Sun and Moon represent generally the

father /mother, physical/mental health, self confidence, intelligence,

longevity, vitality. etc.

Other planets caught up in a Solar Eclipse by conjunction may also be

harmed.

 

The April 8, 2005 Solar Eclipse is one I found to be very interesting.

The Sun/Moon were at 24 Pisces, Venus at 26 Pisces, and Rahu or NNode at

27 Pisces. The eclipse had an additional negative factor of a close

square from Saturn at 26 Gemini (there was also a slightly less close

opposition of Jupiter at 18 Virgo).

Venus nearing it's degree of exaltation (at 27 Pisces) was caught up in

the eclipse and it's significations harmed also from the close square of

Saturn. The Pope was buried on this day and the Royal wedding, scheduled

for the same day, had to be put off until the following day. Both events

symbolized by an eclipsed and exalted Venus.

 

Lillian Rose Entwistle was born only a few hours into this same eclipse

(April 9th, 2005 @ 0:57 AM in England). Lillian was the daughter of

Rachel Entwistle recently in the news. Both were murdered in February

presumably by the husband Neil Entwistle.

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/EntwistleRachel.htm

 

Setting the chart for London places the eclipse on the MC/IC and brings

about the total destruction of all significations of the planets

involved i.e. life itself, parents, future spouse and children etc.

 

 

As an additional distinguishing factor regarding eclipses, you might try

looking into the Saros cycle:

http://www.eclipse.za.net/html/saros.html

There are some astrologers (Bernadette Brady most notably) that feel the

meaning of an eclipse may be traced back to it's first appearance in a

long series of eclipses.

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " pluto_jojo "

<pluto_jojo wrote:

>

> Hi, I'm Joanna; I just signed on here. There are no siderealists

where

> I live, so I'm sure it's going to be great to be among like-minded

> folk. My knowledge of astrology is probably at the intermediate

level.

> I've studied Fagan/Bradley but not extensively. Was curious - if

> anyone has the time to reply - is anybody writing books in the

present

> day on siderealism? When I search for books, I can only ever find

old

> out-of-print copies by F/B. Is anyone building on their

> accomplishments? Also, this question is not sidereal in nature,

but if

> someone out there can answer it, I'd be most appreciative...is

there

> any difference in personality or life events of someone born

during an

> eclipse as opposed to someone with a simple sun/moon conjunction

or

> opposition? I've never been able to find an answer to this.

>

> Thank you. I look forward to being a part of this group and

learning

> more about siderealism. Joanna

>

 

 

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my post. Your answers

are much appreciated. Clearly, I have alot to learn here, especially

the technical matters.

 

Personally, I was not offended by the " it's " error. My computer

doesn't have a spell/grammar check for posts so it would be very

easy to let a mistake slip by occasionally. I've seen some

atrocious, " creative " spellings and NO regard for grammatical form

on other sites - reading the posts here is like a dream come true!

 

Thanks again,

Joanna

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Hello Amit,

 

Study material on my website is likely to be helpful to you in the first

place. You can also buy jyotishtools software for your learning from

www.jyotishtools.com

 

Best wishes,

 

 

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

www.JyotishRemedies121.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122101 (India)

Phones: 91 124 - 2219240

Mobile 98110 16333

 

 

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" Amit " <amitpuri20

 

Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:19 PM

New Member

 

 

> Namaskar

>

> i am new to this group and i am also learning this divine subject

> Joytisha. And i think your valuable company will give some direction

> to me understand this subject.

>

> Thanks and regard

>

> Amit puri

>

 

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At 09:31 PM 7/24/06 -0000, Don Ridgway wrote:

>Hi, everyone, I just signed up. I have been interested and involved

>with astrology for over a quarter of a century. I started out studying

>Bradley, de Luce and Tobey. Then I leaned Tropical because that's

>where all the action seemed to be. I was so interested in studying and

>researching and testing astrology--I have even programmed my own

>astrology program--that over the years I accumulated so many astrology

>report programs that I put up a web site to sell some at

><http://www.astrousa.com> . Recently I'm rethinking Tropical and did

>my chart sidereally and I really think that is the " real me. " So here

>I am. :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Hi Don,

 

You have quite an astrological background that goes way back! The sidereal

camp(s) are in a state of flux today as many astrologers are combining the

astrology of India with western siderealism. The old standbys of the

western sidereal system are solar and lunar returns, but natal astrology is

being more influenced by India's astrology.

 

There's a lot of controversy about just how to interpret sidereal signs.

The best way to understand sidereal signs is to think of the ruling and

exalted planets. I believe (as did Cyril Fagan and other early

siderealists) that Tropical astrologers are seeing the sidereal signs under

another name. Thus the traits of Tropical Libra, for example, really belong

to sidereal Virgo.

 

That sign is mentally inclined (Mercury) and capable of seeing so many

sides to a question that the result is often indecision. Virgo is a mutable

sign, perhaps the most mutable of all signs since its lord is Mercury. It's

a sign that is great for establishing communication links (Mercury)

between people and groups.

 

Anyhow, that's just one example. We hope you have time to post here.

 

Blessings,

 

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Dear Guruji

thanks for the invitation I have joined the group.

I have a small query. my first daughter whose details are given below,

i am looking for the groom for the last 6 years. initially astrologers

said that the delay is during running Ravi dasa but this dasa also is

over by march 17th 2006. why there is delay and what upay to be done

to get the alliance as early as possible

DOB 16-5-1978

POB Muscat Oman 23N30 57E0

TOB 5.53 hrs AM muscat time

with regards

venkat

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Hi there,

 

I missed out putting my details on purpose as I was awaiting a

response. I must compliment you about this group - The

owner/moderators are very efficient and it looks like a very active

group on . I have a group myself and I know how difficult it is

to keep it this active, so I can understand how much hard work goes

into this..

 

My birth details are:

Date of birth: 05 February 1983

Time: 09:39 PM

Place: Mumbai

 

Thanks a lot,

Regards,

Sangeeta.

 

 

 

laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

<krishnan.sangeeta wrote:

>

> Hi Rohit,

>

> I read the intro file of yours and I'm really impressed. It's good to

> see that you're so passionate about this field at such a young age.

> I'm 23 years old, a tarot reader and I have tried learning astrology

> several times..but I can never learn. They say that you have to have a

> favorable planetary alignment to learn, and a friend astrologer has

> told me that although I'm gifted with intuition, I will find it really

> difficult to learn astrology..

>

> Will you read my horoscope also? I would really appreciate it if you

> did, and gave me some insights on it. Mine is a very tricky

> situation..it is regarding my career at the moment. The situation is

> that I'm planning to study further, but my occult inclinations are so

> heavy that I feel I might end up with an occult related career instead.

>

> Please let me know if you will read my planets for me.

>

> In return I would love to share some of my insights related to tarot

> with you, if you prefer so.

>

> Bright blessings,

> Sangeeta.

>

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Try studying something related to manangement or try applying your

occult skills in behaviour therapy,you will always be known as

aperson with occult powers,you cant run away from it.

try combining astrology with management.

read gita regularly

with regards

laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

<krishnan.sangeeta wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> I missed out putting my details on purpose as I was awaiting a

> response. I must compliment you about this group - The

> owner/moderators are very efficient and it looks like a very active

> group on . I have a group myself and I know how difficult it

is

> to keep it this active, so I can understand how much hard work goes

> into this..

>

> My birth details are:

> Date of birth: 05 February 1983

> Time: 09:39 PM

> Place: Mumbai

>

> Thanks a lot,

> Regards,

> Sangeeta.

>

>

>

> laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

> <krishnan.sangeeta@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Rohit,

> >

> > I read the intro file of yours and I'm really impressed. It's

good to

> > see that you're so passionate about this field at such a young

age.

> > I'm 23 years old, a tarot reader and I have tried learning

astrology

> > several times..but I can never learn. They say that you have to

have a

> > favorable planetary alignment to learn, and a friend astrologer

has

> > told me that although I'm gifted with intuition, I will find it

really

> > difficult to learn astrology..

> >

> > Will you read my horoscope also? I would really appreciate it if

you

> > did, and gave me some insights on it. Mine is a very tricky

> > situation..it is regarding my career at the moment. The

situation is

> > that I'm planning to study further, but my occult inclinations

are so

> > heavy that I feel I might end up with an occult related career

instead.

> >

> > Please let me know if you will read my planets for me.

> >

> > In return I would love to share some of my insights related to

tarot

> > with you, if you prefer so.

> >

> > Bright blessings,

> > Sangeeta.

> >

>

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Hi,

 

Thanks for sharing that knowledge with me, Vikas.. I am giving the CAT

this november..for preparing I quit my job (telling myself that I

would study in the few months till november for it)..I did study..but

I've now realised that I've slowly diverged from studying ...now I am

primarily into managing my occult group (I run a group on to

bring occult practitioners together), I am giving tarot readings (I

charge a small token amount for it), and I'm planning to take up

runes. Astrology is also something I want to learn, but at another

point in my life, not now.

 

Besides this, I am a goddess worshipper. I have great faith in the

Devi and I also have a strong affinity towards Lord Shani ..(Even

though a lot of people look towards Him with fear I have a lot of

respect and reverence for this God)..

 

I know that some way or the other, I will always be associated with

the occult..But since there is a lot of stigma in society regarding

the same..it worries me...and I am unsure of exactly where I'm heading

in life.

 

I have been told by a friend (who is an astrologer) that I will have a

period of confusion/unrest until about November this year. The only

problem is that November is the turning point of my life, the time of

giving these exams..I need help!

 

Basically all these thoughts are in my head, and I am not entirely

sure where all this is going to take me.

 

Any further guidance will be appreciated.

 

Brightest blessings;

Sangeeta.

 

laalkitab , " vikas " <vikasjeer wrote:

>

> Try studying something related to manangement or try applying your

> occult skills in behaviour therapy,you will always be known as

> aperson with occult powers,you cant run away from it.

> try combining astrology with management.

> read gita regularly

> with regards

> laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

> <krishnan.sangeeta@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I missed out putting my details on purpose as I was awaiting a

> > response. I must compliment you about this group - The

> > owner/moderators are very efficient and it looks like a very active

> > group on . I have a group myself and I know how difficult it

> is

> > to keep it this active, so I can understand how much hard work goes

> > into this..

> >

> > My birth details are:

> > Date of birth: 05 February 1983

> > Time: 09:39 PM

> > Place: Mumbai

> >

> > Thanks a lot,

> > Regards,

> > Sangeeta.

> >

> >

> >

> > laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

> > <krishnan.sangeeta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Rohit,

> > >

> > > I read the intro file of yours and I'm really impressed. It's

> good to

> > > see that you're so passionate about this field at such a young

> age.

> > > I'm 23 years old, a tarot reader and I have tried learning

> astrology

> > > several times..but I can never learn. They say that you have to

> have a

> > > favorable planetary alignment to learn, and a friend astrologer

> has

> > > told me that although I'm gifted with intuition, I will find it

> really

> > > difficult to learn astrology..

> > >

> > > Will you read my horoscope also? I would really appreciate it if

> you

> > > did, and gave me some insights on it. Mine is a very tricky

> > > situation..it is regarding my career at the moment. The

> situation is

> > > that I'm planning to study further, but my occult inclinations

> are so

> > > heavy that I feel I might end up with an occult related career

> instead.

> > >

> > > Please let me know if you will read my planets for me.

> > >

> > > In return I would love to share some of my insights related to

> tarot

> > > with you, if you prefer so.

> > >

> > > Bright blessings,

> > > Sangeeta.

> > >

> >

>

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||namah Chamundaaye||

 

Dear Sangeeta,

 

gita teaches us a karma yogi,isnt that signified by saturn?

 

There may have been some confusion due to transit ketu in lagna but now

it has shifted so I hope the things would have started clearing by now.

 

moon in your chart achieves neech bhanga and thats why you are pulled

towards devi,I presume you worship tara,saraswati or kali.

 

always worship ganapati and shiva with devi.

 

lagna lord mercury is aspected by saturn and rahu and that in itself is

capable of confusing you apart from constituting a curse .

 

ever tried worshipping Laxmi Narayan?

 

Being associated with occult,being known as an occultist and being an

occultist are all different things,I dont think there is any stigma in

society regarding occult,it is only how you project yourself,in your

case you are known more a spiritual person than a magician,isnt it,so

being an occultist is not a negative thing in your case,people are scary

of people who are known as magicians but usually people like and admire

spiritual persons.

 

relax,there is more to life than confusions.

 

with regards

 

laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

<krishnan.sangeeta wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for sharing that knowledge with me, Vikas.. I am giving the CAT

> this november..for preparing I quit my job (telling myself that I

> would study in the few months till november for it)..I did study..but

> I've now realised that I've slowly diverged from studying ...now I am

> primarily into managing my occult group (I run a group on to

> bring occult practitioners together), I am giving tarot readings (I

> charge a small token amount for it), and I'm planning to take up

> runes. Astrology is also something I want to learn, but at another

> point in my life, not now.

>

> Besides this, I am a goddess worshipper. I have great faith in the

> Devi and I also have a strong affinity towards Lord Shani ..(Even

> though a lot of people look towards Him with fear I have a lot of

> respect and reverence for this God)..

>

> I know that some way or the other, I will always be associated with

> the occult..But since there is a lot of stigma in society regarding

> the same..it worries me...and I am unsure of exactly where I'm heading

> in life.

>

> I have been told by a friend (who is an astrologer) that I will have a

> period of confusion/unrest until about November this year. The only

> problem is that November is the turning point of my life, the time of

> giving these exams..I need help!

>

> Basically all these thoughts are in my head, and I am not entirely

> sure where all this is going to take me.

>

> Any further guidance will be appreciated.

>

> Brightest blessings;

> Sangeeta.

>

> laalkitab , " vikas " vikasjeer@ wrote:

> >

> > Try studying something related to manangement or try applying your

> > occult skills in behaviour therapy,you will always be known as

> > aperson with occult powers,you cant run away from it.

> > try combining astrology with management.

> > read gita regularly

> > with regards

> > laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

> > <krishnan.sangeeta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi there,

> > >

> > > I missed out putting my details on purpose as I was awaiting a

> > > response. I must compliment you about this group - The

> > > owner/moderators are very efficient and it looks like a very

active

> > > group on . I have a group myself and I know how difficult it

> > is

> > > to keep it this active, so I can understand how much hard work

goes

> > > into this..

> > >

> > > My birth details are:

> > > Date of birth: 05 February 1983

> > > Time: 09:39 PM

> > > Place: Mumbai

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot,

> > > Regards,

> > > Sangeeta.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > laalkitab , " starbirthgirl "

> > > <krishnan.sangeeta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Rohit,

> > > >

> > > > I read the intro file of yours and I'm really impressed. It's

> > good to

> > > > see that you're so passionate about this field at such a young

> > age.

> > > > I'm 23 years old, a tarot reader and I have tried learning

> > astrology

> > > > several times..but I can never learn. They say that you have to

> > have a

> > > > favorable planetary alignment to learn, and a friend astrologer

> > has

> > > > told me that although I'm gifted with intuition, I will find it

> > really

> > > > difficult to learn astrology..

> > > >

> > > > Will you read my horoscope also? I would really appreciate it if

> > you

> > > > did, and gave me some insights on it. Mine is a very tricky

> > > > situation..it is regarding my career at the moment. The

> > situation is

> > > > that I'm planning to study further, but my occult inclinations

> > are so

> > > > heavy that I feel I might end up with an occult related career

> > instead.

> > > >

> > > > Please let me know if you will read my planets for me.

> > > >

> > > > In return I would love to share some of my insights related to

> > tarot

> > > > with you, if you prefer so.

> > > >

> > > > Bright blessings,

> > > > Sangeeta.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Ajay,

 

Welcome to SAMVA - a list dedicated to the learning of mundane vedic

astrology based on the Systems' Approach.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " ajay sehgal " <ajaysehg wrote:

>

> RESPECTED SENIOR SAMVA MEMBERS, " NAMASKAR "

> I HAVE JOINED UR GROUP TO LEARN ABOUT MUNDANE ASTROLOGY AND I AM SURE

> UR ANALYSIS SHALL BE GREAT. THANKS ajay sehgal

>

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Dear Aavesh Ji,

 

I m delighted to welcome u in the group among us, This is group of

all genuine astrologers and astrology students, I have just started

learning with the help of kind elders like you - Sri Chandrashekhar

Ji, Rup Sir, Sunil Nair Ji and Sridhar Govindan ji.

 

Hope u all will initiate some discussion on astrology sothat i can

young guys like me can learn more.

 

I wish to know about behavior of planets in cusp in one's horoscope

as well as in transit.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " aavesh_s "

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> Joined the group yesterday.

>

> The picture of Lord Ganesha in the home page is really impressive !!

>

> I am sure that with Ganeshji's blessings, this group will make

rapid

> strides in restoring Jyotish to the pristine glory it once occupied

> in the Indian psyche

>

> With Warm regards,

>

> aavesh

>

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