Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

[Guest guest]

--Dear ALL(A case study)

1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in 5th house

debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within a year of marriage

2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is intrestingly 8L

in 8th

3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS WERE TERRIBLE

although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to 7th lord in 5th n

debilitated?

details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

thanks

- In , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

>

> If I may add.

>

> 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses,

> spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of its

> roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

>

> Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer

> (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna,

> where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

>

> Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive and

> also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take them

> as detrimental malefics for any house.

>

> Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both harmful

> for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

>

> Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is

> the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage.

> But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the

> virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

>

> Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing

> loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha, so

> it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and

> creates problems in marital harmony.

>

> Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK. 5H

> represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to an

> earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars

> also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which is

> brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to

> his over ambitiousness.

>

> Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a serious

> problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The

> natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might be

> of questionable character.

>

> Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather

> uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may

> be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause

> separation.

>

> These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other

> influences and the holistic reading.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pankaj ji,

 

Please give the exact dates of first marriage, death of

spouse and his second marriage. That

will be helpful.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pankajbrave

Friday August 7, 2009 11:11

AM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of

wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

--Dear ALL(A case study)

1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in 5th house

debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within a year of marriage

2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is intrestingly 8L

in 8th

3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS WERE TERRIBLE

although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to 7th lord in 5th n

debilitated?

details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

thanks

- In ,

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

>

> If I may add.

>

> 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses,

> spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of

its

> roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

>

> Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer

> (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna,

> where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

>

> Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive

and

> also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take

them

> as detrimental malefics for any house.

>

> Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both

harmful

> for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

>

> Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is

> the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage.

> But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the

> virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

>

> Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing

> loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha,

so

> it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and

> creates problems in marital harmony.

>

> Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK.

5H

> represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to

an

> earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars

> also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which

is

> brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to

> his over ambitiousness.

>

> Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a

serious

> problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The

> natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might

be

> of questionable character.

>

> Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather

> uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may

> be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause

> separation.

>

> These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other

> influences and the holistic reading.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pankaj ji,

 

You have said that the time is AROUND 0:52? What does that mean? Was this time recorded correctly? Or was it

rectified? Kindly please give us some

more information regarding the source of the data.

 

The lagna is 8 deg so if there is scope of more change then

lagna might change?

 

Please also give some more events of the life, as well, like

career, start of job date etc so that the birth time can be verified before

diving head on to study the chart.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pankajbrave

Friday August 7, 2009 11:11

AM

To:

 

 

Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

--Dear ALL(A case study)

1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in 5th house

debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within a year of marriage

2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is intrestingly 8L

in 8th

3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS WERE TERRIBLE

although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to 7th lord in 5th n

debilitated?

details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

thanks

- In ,

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

>

> If I may add.

>

> 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses,

> spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of

its

> roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

>

> Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer

> (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna,

> where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

>

> Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive

and

> also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take

them

> as detrimental malefics for any house.

>

> Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both

harmful

> for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

>

> Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is

> the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage.

> But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the

> virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

>

> Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing

> loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha,

so

> it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and

> creates problems in marital harmony.

>

> Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK.

5H

> represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to

an

> earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars

> also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which is

> brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to

> his over ambitiousness.

>

> Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a

serious

> problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The

> natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might

be

> of questionable character.

>

> Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather

> uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may

> be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause

> separation.

>

> These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other

> influences and the holistic reading.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

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Dear All,I thank Ash ji for his painstaking efforts for the logics as per KAS. I also agree that one event cannot be the deciding factor.  However, I think Libra is better justified for a few happenings. The dhanyogas in the chart and natal promise of inheritance, father’s strong position and prosperity, her profession as a therapist and death of father.

An exalted Sun in exact conjunction with 9L mercury in 11th from 9H, in mutual aspect with exalted YK Saturn indicates father’s strong position and prosperity, which is not evident from scorpio lagna.YK Saturn exalted in lagna, forming and activating a major dhanyoga in the chart. Saturn connects 2L mars, 11L sun and 10L moon; mars aspects moon. Saturn was transiting over natal Saturn which activated the yoga as also in trine to 9H, Rahu transiting over 9H and natal nodal axis and natal Jupiter in 9H would prove detrimental and Saturn also aspects navamsh 9H and lagna.

Death of father and related inheritance is explained by Manoj ji covering quite a few points.Manoj ji//in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!//I think in D-12, it is better to check for father from sun, as this varga is for both the parents. How dasha planets are placed from sun or moon would tell us their results for father or mother respectively. In D-12, venus is in 12H from sun and moon is marak 7L with sun aspected by 3/12L from 7H.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear Manoj ji, //> It is interesting that in the Kalapurusha, indeed the 5L Sun is debilitated in 7H Libra. // Yes, what ever is applicable to Kalapurusha lagna (Aries) becomes base for generalized rules. //> So I think you logic may be correct. May be problems from children

might cause separation in such cases, especially with Aries and Libra

lagna?// No, it is a general rule applicable everywhere.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > It is interesting that in the Kalapurusha, indeed the 5L Sun is debilitated in 7H Libra. Similarly for Libra Asc, 5L Sat is Deb in 7H of Aries. In these two cases (for Aries and Libra Asc) this might be particularly true?> > On the other hand it may not necessarily be true for Cancer Asc since 5L Mars will be exalted in 7H?> > So I think you logic may be correct. May be problems from children might cause separation in such cases, especially with Aries and Libra lagna?> > Regards,> -Manoj

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Dear Sheel Kumar ji,

//> "1,5,9 ke swami chahe naisargic paap graha hi kyon na hon, hamesha shubhatwa hi pradan karte hain" //

That saying cannot be correct since no planet can "always give"

beneficial result only. The fact is that all planets/house lords give

BOTH some good and some bad results. So is the case with 5th lord in

7th.

* Like Chakraborty ji said, it is a combination that can indicate

love and love marriage. (5th is intellect and 7th is desire for wife)- this is a positive result

* Like I said, if a malefic 5th lord in 7th is in 7th and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it, then the native's wife may die or marriage may break - this is a negative result. But please note that even though if Saturn the 5th lord for Libra lagna is placed in 7th in Aries marriage breaking shouldn't be predicted IF that Saturn is aspected by benefics such as Jupiter. Similarly another point to remember is that the said result is supposed to materialize in the dasa of that 5th lord in 7th - i.e. in Saturn's dasa in your case. If Saturn's dasa didnot happened then the said result cannot be attributed to your chart. Combinations present in the chart becomes useless, if proper dasa is not coming. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sheel Kumar <sheelgurjar28 wrote:>> Respected Sreenadh ji,> I'm reading this thread with interest and trying to understand.> In my chart my 5th lord Shani is placed in 7th house in Mesh rashi (neech).> Although Shani is benefic to me as I have heard/read,:> "1,5,9 ke swami chahe naisargic paap graha hi kyon na hon, hamesha shubhatwa hi pradan karte hain" > I would be pleased to hear from you the role of Shani in my chart..> Regards,> sheel > > > > > ________________________________> Sreenadh sreesog > Friday, 7 August, 2009 9:46:54 AM> Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife> > > Dear Manoj ji, > 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing).> May be it is because -> 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. > I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji and Group Members,

 

Without knowing which Therapist she is, no one can be sure

what skills are required?

 

A physiotherapist requires different skills as compared to

say an occupational therapist and a different set of skill are required for

Speech therapist.

 

With Sco lagna, the career giving

planets are Ma, Su and Sa (10th lords from lagna su

and moon) connected to 2nd, 12th and 6th

house.

 

With Libra lagna, Ju, Su, Ma and Sa and they are connected to

3rd, 7th, 9th and 1st.

 

So different house are connected to the career.

 

Is there any technique u are using to differentiate between

the two?

 

As per the write up its said that this lady did not have to

work after 1983, means 29th year of age? So it means that she hardly must have

had some years to practice her career.

Therefore her career was short lived. There is no other way to confirm

anything further. With libra lagna 10th lord is in 10th

house wheareas 9th lord is in 9th

house with Sco?

 

 

Now, with Libra lagna, Karakansha of 10th house is

Shani and Shani is placed in 1st house therefore that indicates that

her profession is linked to her own individuality. Mool Karkansha is also Mangal and that

is placed in 3rd house

showing own effort.

 

With Sco lagna, Karkaansha

of 10th house is Mangal and Mangal is in 2nd house of wealth and family and mool Karakansha is Moon and Moon is in 9th house

in Rasi linking it to Father.

 

Next you talk of Dhan Yog. Now Dhan yog

is it involving Self earned Dhan i.e. 2nd or it is it unearned Dhan

i.e. 8th house or inheritance where her own effort is not required?

 

So studying 11th house for own income, For scorpio lagna, 6th lord i.e. karak

for 11th is in 2nd house i.e. family and wealth, and Karakansha

and mool karkansha are both

Sun and that is placed in 6th house indicating, banks, social

status, etc.

 

With Libra lagna, 5th lord is in 7th

house and Karakansha is in 3rd house and mool

karkansha is in 10th house. This indicates income linked to own

effort and profession.

 

With Libra lagna, the Yogakarak planet Shani has 0 power in

the 9th house of father / luck.

With Sco lagna, Shani has 0 power in the 8th

house. Shani is natural karak for parakram and effort and

that has 0 power in the house of individuality, showing she herself cannot achieve

much. Yes, this also can mean

some problems to her internal organs as Guru is in 8th house and its

aspected by Mangal.

 

 

Regarding promise of inheritance there is the factor of

Blessing. Lagna and 9th

lords are in nav pancham in

navamsa i.e of lagna. This is with both lagnas

i.e. sco and libra.

 

However, when we study WEALTH or Dhan sthan from lagna i.e. 2nd

house, then with Sco lagna, 2nd lord is in

8th house and then Karakansha of 2nd is also in 8th

house.

 

With Libra lagna, 2nd lord is in 3rd

house of effort, and Karakansha is Mars and that is in 3rd house too

indicating wealth earned throw own effort.

 

Timing of Death of Father as well as Getting Inheritance has

been explained.

 

This all I had seen, but I did not write.

 

Neelam ji’s mail made me

write all this explanation.

 

My point is that one cannot be sure, without any more events

or data. If we are to get to the nitty gritty and get pin point answer then we need to get accurate

feedback.

 

Even all the principles that I have written, one has to test

in many charts to be sure, and what Neelam ji and

Manoj ji have written as well. Unless we find a set of laws that work repeatably nothing can be said with confidence.

 

I hope this adds to the discussion.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of neelam gupta

Friday August 7, 2009 12:24

PM

To:

 

Re:

Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of

wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I thank Ash ji for his painstaking efforts for the logics as per KAS. I also

agree that one event cannot be the deciding factor.

 

However, I think Libra is better justified for a few happenings. The dhanyogas

in the chart and natal promise of inheritance, father’s strong position

and prosperity, her profession as a therapist and death of father.

 

An exalted Sun in exact conjunction with 9L mercury in 11th from 9H, in mutual

aspect with exalted YK Saturn indicates father’s strong position and

prosperity, which is not evident from scorpio lagna.

 

YK Saturn exalted in lagna, forming and activating a major dhanyoga in the

chart. Saturn connects 2L mars, 11L sun and 10L moon; mars aspects moon. Saturn

was transiting over natal Saturn which activated the yoga as also in trine to

9H, Rahu transiting over 9H and natal nodal axis and natal Jupiter in 9H would

prove detrimental and Saturn also aspects navamsh 9H and lagna.

 

Death of father and related inheritance is explained by Manoj ji covering quite

a few points.

 

Manoj ji

 

//in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!//

 

I think in D-12, it is better to check for father from sun, as this varga is for

both the parents. How dasha planets are placed from sun or moon would tell us

their results for father or mother respectively. In D-12, venus is in 12H from

sun and moon is marak 7L with sun aspected by 3/12L from 7H.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash ji, Interesting! Love and regards,Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji, Perfect! Those charts are perfectly in tune with what the classics say! * First chart. Sagi lagna. 5th lord Mars in 7th in Gemini. No benefic planet aspects Mars in 7th. Thus bad results should follow. And you say - "Married twice but both were failures, resulted in divorce. Now single" * Second Chart. Sagi lagna. 5th lord Mars in 7th in Gemini. Jupiter placed in lagna aspects Mars in 7th. i.e. the malefic in 7th is NOT devoid of benefic aspect. Thus that much bad results SHOULD NOT be predicted, and generally good results should follow. And you say - " Happily married with normal quota of discords. But there is lack of happiness. Two children. One daughter and younger son adopted." What result do we need better than this for the dependability of ancient astro classics! Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Giving below two sagi lagna charts with 5L mars in 7H.> > Case 1: 4.4.1961/00.12/Delhi> Married twice but both were failures, resulted in divorce. Now single> > Case 2: 17.10.1960/11.53/Delhi> Happily married with normal quota of discords. But there is lack of> happiness.> Two children. One daughter and younger son adopted.> > Hope this will give us some more clues. The houses having influence of> benefics flourish. So the classics say!> > Regards> Neelam

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Dear Ash ji,Thank you for the additional points and effort, I really appreciate. But I guess it is no use nit-picking on this chart, it will only result in bald patches for us! We do not have any additional input! I am sure we don’t want that! :-)

Let us try our skills on a chart where background information and events are available. " -) Thanks and RegardsNeelam

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Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji, ==>> (1) In the first post it is said:> //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets //> Which varga chart do we take? D-9?<== We shouldn't take any divisional chart! But instead we are supposed to consider divisions (amsas). For example dwadasa vargas. I will explain. What we are supposed to do is - to look at the nature of sub-divisions with in that sign were the 7th lord is placed. We are supposed to check, for example if 5th lord Sun is placed in 7th then, 1) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SIGN that Sun is placed 2) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) HORA that Sun is placed 3) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) DREKKANA that Sun is placed 4) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) CHATURDHAMSA that Sun is placed 5) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) PANCHAMAMSA that Sun is placed 6) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SHASHTAMSA that Sun is placed 7) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SAPTAMSA that Sun is placed etc upto the 12th Division (Amsa). We are NOT supposed to take or draw the Divisional chart at all; what we are interested is only in the Divisions of the sign in which Sun is placed and whether it is owned by a benefic or malefic planet. If you are getting that, if you are seeing that the planet in 7th is placed in MALEFIC VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give MALEFIC RESULTS (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that comes through the planet); on the other hand if the planet is in BENEFIC VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give BENEFIC RESULTS (Since it is

the nature of the Sign and Divisions that comes through the planet)==>> (2) In second post you have mentioned:> // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such cases. //> >

I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about

spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/

separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all

aspects of marriage "break up"?<== I am taking it philosophically, and is including all aspects of marriage "break-up". It is just that the marriage itself would be permanently or temporarily dead; it is not necessary that the wife should "actually" DIE. But please don't forget that this result too is not impossible - and could materialize in some cases. Hope this clarifies. Note: In astrology it is better NOT TO take everything literally. We will have to modify the results, as per situations and combinations. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "rajendra_bhatt" <rajendra_bhatt wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> I have two doubts.> (1) In the first post it is said:> //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets //> Which varga chart do we take? D-9?> (2) In second post you have mentioned:> // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such cases. //> > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/ separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects of marriage "break up"?> Please clarify.> Thanks and Regards,> Rajendra

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Dear Kursija ji, I believe it is better to follow the pointer provided by Manoj chandran ji that - * In Kalapurusha Kundali too, 5th lord Sun when placed in 7th is in debilitation and will give bad results. If we take the route of Bhava Chinta then - * 5th lord going to 7th (Children/intellect etc becoming more important than Husband/wife) * 7th lord going to 5th (Husband/Wife becoming childish/childlike. Husband/Wife affecting children/intellect) Both the above combinations (5th lord in 7th or 7th lord in 5th) considered negative by ancient classics, especially IF the that planet is devoid of benefic aspects and is aspected by malefics. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> If you allow me to add that 7th house is not only partner or spouse or sex but also a maraka house and 5th is not only son or purva janma results or intelligent or creativity etc but 11th from 7th i.e. gain from partner, If 5th lord is posited in 7th, maraka it lose its gain capacity and gives lose i.e. separation. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji, I hope you might be using JHora. For point-1 I will modify my answer to suit JHora use - 1) Right click in the "Longitude & Basic Info" pane (Right-top pane) and choose "Rasis Occupied in all Vargas". (Result: You can observe the Rasi varga for the planet in 7th also would be present there) 2) Consider the first 12 vargas for the planet in 7th and determine how many of them are owned by malefic planets and how many by benefic planets (You don't need the sign name, but instead the how many of those signs are owned by malefic or benefic planets). 3) If more than 6 vargas (out of 12) for the planet in 7th is owned by malefic planets then the planet in 7th is in Papa varga (placed in the majority division of malefic) Hope this helps.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji,> ==>> > (1) In the first post it is said:> > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets> //> > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?> <==> We shouldn't take any divisional chart! But instead we are supposed to> consider divisions (amsas). For example dwadasa vargas. I will explain.> What we are supposed to do is - to look at the nature of sub-divisions> with in that sign were the 7th lord is placed. We are supposed to check,> for example if 5th lord Sun is placed in 7th then,> 1) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SIGN that Sun is> placed> 2) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) HORA that Sun is> placed> 3) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) DREKKANA that Sun is> placed> 4) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) CHATURDHAMSA that Sun> is placed> 5) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) PANCHAMAMSA that Sun> is placed> 6) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SHASHTAMSA that Sun is> placed> 7) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SAPTAMSA that Sun is> placed> etc upto the 12th Division (Amsa). We are NOT supposed to take or> draw the Divisional chart at all; what we are interested is only in the> Divisions of the sign in which Sun is placed and whether it is owned by> a benefic or malefic planet.> If you are getting that, if you are seeing that the planet in 7th is> placed in MALEFIC VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give> MALEFIC RESULTS (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that> comes through the planet); on the other hand if the planet is in BENEFIC> VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give BENEFIC RESULTS> (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that comes through the> planet)> ==>> > (2) In second post you have mentioned:> > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up> in such cases. //> >> > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about> spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/> separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects> of marriage "break up"?> <==> I am taking it philosophically, and is including all aspects of> marriage "break-up". It is just that the marriage itself would be> permanently or temporarily dead; it is not necessary that the wife> should "actually" DIE. But please don't forget that this result too is> not impossible - and could materialize in some cases. Hope this> clarifies.> Note: In astrology it is better NOT TO take everything literally. We> will have to modify the results, as per situations and combinations.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "rajendra_bhatt"> rajendra_bhatt@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > I have two doubts.> > (1) In the first post it is said:> > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets> //> > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?> > (2) In second post you have mentioned:> > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up> in such cases. //> >> > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about> spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/> separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects> of marriage "break up"?> > Please clarify.> > Thanks and Regards,> > Rajendra>

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Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

//6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die //

 

Is the dispositor of Mandi the Lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located? Also could you explain the importance of Mandi and what is the calculation. I remember Sunil Ji saying once that in Kerala astrology Mandi is calculated differently from JHora. Why is there a difference? Because if the position of Mandi changes (between different calculations) then the application of this rule will give different results?

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:05:52 AM Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear All, There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate "death of wife" in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote –

PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –

1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

 

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to all other houses as well. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Manoj ji, //> Is the dispositor of Mandi the Lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located?// Yes. Depositor of Mandi means, the lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located.//Also could you explain the importance of Mandi and what is the calculation.// Mandi is a technical name assigned to the ENDING point of a complete Muhurta within the Yama of Saturn. The Day or Night is divided into 8 Yama each. Only one of that Yama would be of Saturn, and there would be only one end point for a complete Muhurta within it and therefore Mandi rises only once within a day or night. On - Sunday = Mandi fall at the end of 13th Muhurta Monday = Mandi fall at the end of 11th Muhurta Tuesday = Mandi fall at the end of 9th Muhurta Wednesday = Mandi fall at the end of 7th Muhurta Thursday = Mandi fall at the end of 5th Muhurta Friday = Mandi fall at the end of 3th Muhurta Saturday = Mandi fall at the end of 1st Muhurta Mandi Rise Muhurta time for night would be similar to 5th from that day. The formula to calculate Mandi is - Mandi (day) = [(Length of DAY)/15] x Mandi Muhurta count Mandi (night) = [(Length of NIGHT)/15] x Mandi Muhurta count As I mentioned earlier, Mandi is the ending point of a complete Muhurta within the Yama of Saturn. Where as Gulika is a technical name assigned to the STARTING point of a YAMA of Saturn. What you get as per BPHS calculation is Gulika and is not Mandi. //Why is there a difference? // I hope the answer is clear - they are different. One (Mandi) is a technical term given to the end point of a complete Muhurta where as the other is a technical term for the beginning point. Their result and purpose also differ slightly. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > //6)                 PapaH mandi raseeswaro  soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die //>  > Is the dispositor of Mandi the Lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located? Also could you explain the importance of Mandi and what is the calculation. I remember Sunil Ji saying once that in Kerala astrology Mandi is calculated differently from JHora. Why is there a difference? Because if the position of Mandi changes (between different calculations) then the application of this rule will give different results? > > Regards,>  -Manoj

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Dear Manoj ji, I forgot to give bit of relevant info given in red below -Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Manoj ji, //> Is the dispositor of Mandi the Lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located?// Yes. Depositor of Mandi means, the lord of the Rashi where Mandi is located.//Also could you explain the importance of Mandi and what is the calculation.//

Mandi is a technical name assigned to the ENDING point of a complete

Muhurta within the Yama of Saturn. The Day or Night is divided into 8

Yama each. Only one of that Yama would be of Saturn, and there would be

only one end point for a complete Muhurta within it and therefore Mandi

rises only once within a day or night. On - Sunday = Mandi fall at the end of 13th Muhurta Monday = Mandi fall at the end of 11th Muhurta Tuesday = Mandi fall at the end of 9th Muhurta Wednesday = Mandi fall at the end of 7th Muhurta Thursday = Mandi fall at the end of 5th Muhurta Friday = Mandi fall at the end of 3th Muhurta Saturday = Mandi fall at the end of 1st Muhurta Mandi Rise Muhurta time for night would be similar to 5th from that day. The formula to calculate Mandi is - Mandi (day) = [(Length of DAY)/15] x Mandi Muhurta count Mandi (night) = [(Length of NIGHT)/15] x Mandi Muhurta count This will give Mandi rising time. The langa longitude at this time is termed Mandi. Thus Mandi is the lagna longitude for the end point of a complete Muhurta within the Yama of Saturn. (Please remember to use Local sunrise and sunset only for calculating day span or night span.). As

I mentioned earlier, Mandi is the ending point of a complete Muhurta

within the Yama of Saturn. Where as Gulika is a technical name

assigned to the STARTING point of a YAMA of Saturn. What you get as

per BPHS calculation is Gulika and is not Mandi. //Why is there a difference? //

I hope the answer is clear - they are different. One (Mandi) is a

technical term given to the end point of a complete Muhurta where as

the other is a technical term for the beginning point. Their result

and purpose also differ slightly. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thank you very much for detailed answer. However it gives another doubt. Is it

enough for a planet to be placed in any one (of the 12 vargas) malefic varga to

give adverse results? Or do we take average of 12 varga placements (benefic/

malefic)?

Thanks and Regards,

Rajendra

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji,

> ==>

> > (1) In the first post it is said:

> > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets

> //

> > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?

> <==

> We shouldn't take any divisional chart! But instead we are supposed to

> consider divisions (amsas). For example dwadasa vargas. I will explain.

> What we are supposed to do is - to look at the nature of sub-divisions

> with in that sign were the 7th lord is placed. We are supposed to check,

> for example if 5th lord Sun is placed in 7th then,

> 1) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SIGN that Sun is

> placed

> 2) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) HORA that Sun is

> placed

> 3) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) DREKKANA that Sun is

> placed

> 4) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) CHATURDHAMSA that Sun

> is placed

> 5) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) PANCHAMAMSA that Sun

> is placed

> 6) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SHASHTAMSA that Sun is

> placed

> 7) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SAPTAMSA that Sun is

> placed

> etc upto the 12th Division (Amsa). We are NOT supposed to take or

> draw the Divisional chart at all; what we are interested is only in the

> Divisions of the sign in which Sun is placed and whether it is owned by

> a benefic or malefic planet.

> If you are getting that, if you are seeing that the planet in 7th is

> placed in MALEFIC VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give

> MALEFIC RESULTS (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that

> comes through the planet); on the other hand if the planet is in BENEFIC

> VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give BENEFIC RESULTS

> (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that comes through the

> planet)

> ==>

> > (2) In second post you have mentioned:

> > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up

> in such cases. //

> >

> > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about

> spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/

> separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects

> of marriage " break up " ?

> <==

> I am taking it philosophically, and is including all aspects of

> marriage " break-up " . It is just that the marriage itself would be

> permanently or temporarily dead; it is not necessary that the wife

> should " actually " DIE. But please don't forget that this result too is

> not impossible - and could materialize in some cases. Hope this

> clarifies.

> Note: In astrology it is better NOT TO take everything literally. We

> will have to modify the results, as per situations and combinations.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " rajendra_bhatt "

> <rajendra_bhatt@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > I have two doubts.

> > (1) In the first post it is said:

> > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets

> //

> > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?

> > (2) In second post you have mentioned:

> > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up

> in such cases. //

> >

> > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about

> spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/

> separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects

> of marriage " break up " ?

> > Please clarify.

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Rajendra

>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thank you very much for giving all the details. Please ignore my previous post

as you have explained everything.

Regards,

Rajendra

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji,

> I hope you might be using JHora. For point-1 I will modify my answer

> to suit JHora use -

> 1) Right click in the " Longitude & Basic Info " pane (Right-top pane)

> and choose " Rasis Occupied in all Vargas " . (Result: You can observe the

> Rasi varga for the planet in 7th also would be present there)

> 2) Consider the first 12 vargas for the planet in 7th and determine

> how many of them are owned by malefic planets and how many by benefic

> planets (You don't need the sign name, but instead the how many of those

> signs are owned by malefic or benefic planets).

> 3) If more than 6 vargas (out of 12) for the planet in 7th is owned by

> malefic planets then the planet in 7th is in Papa varga (placed in the

> majority division of malefic)

> Hope this helps.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajendra Bhatt ji,

> > ==>

> > > (1) In the first post it is said:

> > > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic

> planets

> > //

> > > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?

> > <==

> > We shouldn't take any divisional chart! But instead we are supposed

> to

> > consider divisions (amsas). For example dwadasa vargas. I will

> explain.

> > What we are supposed to do is - to look at the nature of sub-divisions

> > with in that sign were the 7th lord is placed. We are supposed to

> check,

> > for example if 5th lord Sun is placed in 7th then,

> > 1) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SIGN that Sun is

> > placed

> > 2) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) HORA that Sun is

> > placed

> > 3) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) DREKKANA that Sun

> is

> > placed

> > 4) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) CHATURDHAMSA that

> Sun

> > is placed

> > 5) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) PANCHAMAMSA that

> Sun

> > is placed

> > 6) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SHASHTAMSA that Sun

> is

> > placed

> > 7) in whose (which malefic or benefic planet's) SAPTAMSA that Sun

> is

> > placed

> > etc upto the 12th Division (Amsa). We are NOT supposed to take or

> > draw the Divisional chart at all; what we are interested is only in

> the

> > Divisions of the sign in which Sun is placed and whether it is owned

> by

> > a benefic or malefic planet.

> > If you are getting that, if you are seeing that the planet in 7th

> is

> > placed in MALEFIC VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give

> > MALEFIC RESULTS (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that

> > comes through the planet); on the other hand if the planet is in

> BENEFIC

> > VARGA then definitely that planet is going to give BENEFIC RESULTS

> > (Since it is the nature of the Sign and Divisions that comes through

> the

> > planet)

> > ==>

> > > (2) In second post you have mentioned:

> > > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up

> > in such cases. //

> > >

> > > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about

> > spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/

> > separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all

> aspects

> > of marriage " break up " ?

> > <==

> > I am taking it philosophically, and is including all aspects of

> > marriage " break-up " . It is just that the marriage itself would be

> > permanently or temporarily dead; it is not necessary that the wife

> > should " actually " DIE. But please don't forget that this result too is

> > not impossible - and could materialize in some cases. Hope this

> > clarifies.

> > Note: In astrology it is better NOT TO take everything literally. We

> > will have to modify the results, as per situations and combinations.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " rajendra_bhatt "

> > rajendra_bhatt@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > I have two doubts.

> > > (1) In the first post it is said:

> > > //and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic

> planets

> > //

> > > Which varga chart do we take? D-9?

> > > (2) In second post you have mentioned:

> > > // This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up

> > in such cases. //

> > >

> > > I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about

> > spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/

> > separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all

> aspects

> > of marriage " break up " ?

> > > Please clarify.

> > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > Rajendra

> >

>

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Dear Pankaj,

Thanks for sharing chart. There are many Rewari in India in different stats

Please specify the Rewari.

 

--- On Fri, 8/7/09, pankajbrave <pankajbrave wrote:

 

> pankajbrave <pankajbrave

> Re: Some combinations that indicate the

death of wife

>

> Friday, August 7, 2009, 8:40 PM

> --Dear ALL(A case study)

> 1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in

> 5th house  debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within

> a year of marriage

> 2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is

> intrestingly 8L

> in 8th

> 3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS

> WERE TERRIBLE

> although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

> 4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to

> 7th lord in 5th n debilitated?

> details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

> thanks

> - In ,

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > If I may add.

> >

> > 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek,

> creative impulses,

> > spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits.

> 5L can take any of its

> > roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and

> dashas.

> >

> > Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of

> 5H only in cancer

> > (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could

> include aries lagna,

> > where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

> >

> > Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and

> Mars is aggressive and

> > also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of

> lordships, we take them

> > as detrimental malefics for any house.

> >

> > Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes

> virakti, both harmful

> > for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

> >

> > Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is

> also the 6L, which is

> > the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards

> negation of marriage.

> > But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign

> Saturn could act on the

> > virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

> >

> > Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates

> in 7H, thus causing

> > loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian

> territory and neecha, so

> > it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect

> and discrimination and

> > creates problems in marital harmony.

> >

> > Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is

> also 10L and a YK. 5H

> > represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of

> mars and it goes to an

> > earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength

> there. Since mars

> > also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is

> the profession which is

> > brought up with intelligence and care. The native

> might lose his spouse to

> > his over ambitiousness.

> >

> > Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I

> have noticed a serious

> > problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts

> mercury too. The

> > natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get

> a spouse who might be

> > of questionable character.

> >

> > Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and

> intelligent sun is rather

> > uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality.

> The native/wife may

> > be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc,

> which might cause

> > separation.

> >

> > These are some points, but we could only be sure

> depending upon other

> > influences and the holistic reading.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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--

Hello sir

Rewari in haryana,sorry for forgetting this aspect.

waiting for all learned members discussions on the same

thanks n regds

pankaj

- In , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Dear Pankaj,

> Thanks for sharing chart. There are many Rewari in India in different stats

Please specify the Rewari.

>

> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, pankajbrave <pankajbrave wrote:

>

> > pankajbrave <pankajbrave

> > Re: Some combinations that indicate the

death of wife

> >

> > Friday, August 7, 2009, 8:40 PM

> > --Dear ALL(A case study)

> > 1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in

> > 5th house  debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within

> > a year of marriage

> > 2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is

> > intrestingly 8L

> > in 8th

> > 3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS

> > WERE TERRIBLE

> > although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

> > 4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to

> > 7th lord in 5th n debilitated?

> > details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

> > thanks

> > - In ,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > If I may add.

> > >

> > > 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek,

> > creative impulses,

> > > spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits.

> > 5L can take any of its

> > > roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and

> > dashas.

> > >

> > > Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of

> > 5H only in cancer

> > > (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could

> > include aries lagna,

> > > where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

> > >

> > > Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and

> > Mars is aggressive and

> > > also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of

> > lordships, we take them

> > > as detrimental malefics for any house.

> > >

> > > Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes

> > virakti, both harmful

> > > for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

> > >

> > > Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is

> > also the 6L, which is

> > > the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards

> > negation of marriage.

> > > But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign

> > Saturn could act on the

> > > virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

> > >

> > > Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates

> > in 7H, thus causing

> > > loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian

> > territory and neecha, so

> > > it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect

> > and discrimination and

> > > creates problems in marital harmony.

> > >

> > > Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is

> > also 10L and a YK. 5H

> > > represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of

> > mars and it goes to an

> > > earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength

> > there. Since mars

> > > also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is

> > the profession which is

> > > brought up with intelligence and care. The native

> > might lose his spouse to

> > > his over ambitiousness.

> > >

> > > Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I

> > have noticed a serious

> > > problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts

> > mercury too. The

> > > natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get

> > a spouse who might be

> > > of questionable character.

> > >

> > > Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and

> > intelligent sun is rather

> > > uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality.

> > The native/wife may

> > > be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc,

> > which might cause

> > > separation.

> > >

> > > These are some points, but we could only be sure

> > depending upon other

> > > influences and the holistic reading.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

--Dear Ashji n all others

The time is 15th dec. night around 12:52(that is next day 16th)

thatsy i hv written 00:52 in 24hr format that is 16dec morning 12:52am.

Sir pls find below the details

1-His first job in 26th july 1998 as a lecturer in a management in stitute

2-First marriage 0n 21st may 2005

3-Death of Spouse on 26th or 27th jan 2006,she was carrying that time,7months

pregnant.

4-Second Marriage on 4th june 2009,compatibility factor very less

5-last yr may 2008 got a promotion n became HOD,FINANCIALY HE IS OK

6-Mostly tensed and taking unnecessary tension,pls let me know if he can survive

n save this marriage

hope this helps

regds

pankaj

 

- In , " Ash's Corner " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Pankaj ji,

>

> You have said that the time is AROUND 0:52? What does that mean? Was this

> time recorded correctly? Or was it rectified? Kindly please give us some

> more information regarding the source of the data.

>

> The lagna is 8 deg so if there is scope of more change then lagna might

> change?

>

> Please also give some more events of the life, as well, like career, start

> of job date etc so that the birth time can be verified before diving head on

> to study the chart.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> On Behalf Of pankajbrave

> Friday August 7, 2009 11:11 AM

>

> Re: Some combinations that indicate the

> death of wife

>

>

> --Dear ALL(A case study)

> 1-My brother has virgo lagna,n 7th lord jupiter sitting in 5th house

> debilitated with venus ,lost his wife within a year of marriage

> 2-At this time he was running the MD Of mars who is intrestingly 8L

> in 8th

> 3-THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF MARS MD WAS VERY TENSED,LAST 5YRS WERE TERRIBLE

> although in job there was a promotion at the end of dasa

> 4- got married recently but differences again,is it due to 7th lord in 5th n

> debilitated?

> details-16 dec.1973 at rewari arond 00:52 am

> thanks

> - In

> <%40> , neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > If I may add.

> >

> > 5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses,

> > spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of

> its

> > roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

> >

> > Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer

> > (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna,

> > where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.

> >

> > Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive

> and

> > also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take

> them

> > as detrimental malefics for any house.

> >

> > Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both

> harmful

> > for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:

> >

> > Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is

> > the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage.

> > But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the

> > virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

> >

> > Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing

> > loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha,

> so

> > it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and

> > creates problems in marital harmony.

> >

> > Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK.

> 5H

> > represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to

> an

> > earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars

> > also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which

> is

> > brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to

> > his over ambitiousness.

> >

> > Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a

> serious

> > problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The

> > natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might

> be

> > of questionable character.

> >

> > Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather

> > uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may

> > be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause

> > separation.

> >

> > These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other

> > influences and the holistic reading.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>