Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

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Dear All,

There is a very

popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate "death of wife" in

Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a

book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga

acharya created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text,

and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous

cases. Let us look at the quote –

PapaH papekshito

va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago

va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo

va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste

daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna

Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote

lists many major combinations. They are –

1)

PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste

daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in 7th

from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

then the native's wife will die.

2)

PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted) malefic is placed in

7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

3)

PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, hemmed

between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present in 6th

and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

4)

PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and

if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that

malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die.

5)

PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and

if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that

malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die.

6)

PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste

daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that

malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th

is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

7)

PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and

if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in

7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's

wife will die.

8)

Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste

daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th

is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial

aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th

lord Jupiter is a malefic)

9)

vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio,

and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a

malefic)

 

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as

well. These are all some combinations

that indicate definite death or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because,

similar logic can be applied to all other houses as well. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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dear sreeandh ji Thanks for such a nice post on some combinations on such mishapshere PPL are after varga charts first and later only sees real rasi chart and then ask us to learn frm rao s or raman s when ever confronted for their wrong intrepretations and then hide behind the fact that they r so and so asking questions is as good as abusing them in the name of modesty and giving equal chance to the fellow who being raped and the rapist ( here astro dictums r being raped in the name of modesty ) .i find one stanza some one used for doing some Post mortem analysis and i dont know what it is mean by simply one word in that sankrit stanza which can b confused as daruna graha ( malefic s ) aruna graha ( sun ) varuna grahas ( watery planets ) ,or thruna grahas ( youth ful planets ) other wise those who learned this min basics than running around vargas would b making them more better astrologer ( whter paid or free lancer ) than personaly attacking other s wheter they follows parasari or mihira or jaimini rgrds sunil nair , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> > There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that> indicate "death of wife" in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna> Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga,> and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya> created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text,> and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in> numerous cases. Let us look at the quote –> > PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va> > Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va> > Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra> > Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH> > (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)> > The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –> > 1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata> Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed> in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any> beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.> > 2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted)> malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is> devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife> will die.> > 3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from> lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be> present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any> beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.> > 4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from> lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic> planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect> towards it then the native's wife will die.> > 5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from> lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if> that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then> the native's wife will die.> > 6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from> lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if> that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then> the native's wife will die.> > 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from> lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that> malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the> native's wife will die.> > 8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata> Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if> that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then> the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a> malefic)> > 9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in> Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect> towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th> lord Venus is a malefic)> > > > Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces> as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death> or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be> applied to all other houses as well.> > > Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work

and effort.

 

I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws

using KAS, again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a

numerical format.

 

I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into

KAS language so that it will add value to both the lists.

 

I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below

each law that you have given in RED.

 

In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be

used i.e basic laws of KAS

 

1)

Planet aspecting House A, B and C cannot give the result,

their samdharmis can give the result.

2)

A benefic planet i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will

aspect malefically with equal power, a Malefic planet i.e. a planet with less

than 4 bindus will aspect beneficially with power.

3)

7th house is House E or 6th from 2nd

house therefore planets placed in House E with more points i.e. very eager to

give the result. Same for LoD i.e.

11th house.

 

If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in

line. I am detailing that below.

 

I hope it helps all.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009

1:06 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that

indicate " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna

Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is

based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own

work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very

popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at

the quote –

PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –

1)

PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is

placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th

is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will

die.

Ash: A Malefic is defined

as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS.

If a Malefic is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th

house then it means that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in 5th

house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn

will ADD +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is

the HOUSE OF DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th

house which is House E or 6th house (powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd

house therefore it will become very eager to give 2nd house result,

one of which is Death of Spouse.

Now second point is that, it says that if this malefic that is placed in

7th house is DEVOID BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am translating it as

AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET, therefore a benefic is defined as a planet with

more than 4 bindus, then this place will ASPECT this malefic planet with –ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is in 3rd house

with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house with 5 bindus, then Guru

and Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore together they will aspect Mars

in 7th house and REDUCE the power of Mars. As per KAS, death happens in highest power

planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the house under

focus so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd house is

the main house i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th

and 7th house become very eager. Therefore in all the Shlokas

7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th from 2nd

house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

 

All the above is summed up

along with the exception in the total KAS power that we get and gives the NET

value in numerical format.

 

2)

PapaH yadi balarahitaH

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated

or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that

malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die.

Ash: Same

as above. Here I would like to talk

of another KAS basic law which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B

and C i.e. here for 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd

and C = 6th house then such a planet itself cannot give the result

on its own. It MAY come forward only

if its powerful samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give

the result. So it can be deputed.

Therefore,

for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th

aspect only. Therefore they WILL

NOT aspect 9th, 2nd or 6th house. So each planet has the potential to give

the result and in this case, it can give the result of death of spouse. For Mars, if its placed in 7th

house, then it will aspect 2nd house, but at the same time its

mostly with less than 4 bindus so it will ADD power to 2nd

house. For Jupiter, again it will

not aspect 6th, 2nd nor 9th house so again,

Guru can become a potent killer, particularly if it has more than 4

bindus. Shani will aspect 9th

house so it cannot give the result itself, unless it owns 7th house

or 11th house. In one

law below this is given. Again,

there is talk of Benefical aspect, then same as above

point, a benefic will aspect with malefic strength of equal power and thereby

it will REDUCE the power and if the power gets reduced then that planet might

not be able to give death.

Therefore there is a lot of stress regarding aspect of A BENEFIC (which

is not necessarily natural benefics) but it can be any

planet with more than 4 bindus.

Yes, on the same note, GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4

bindus in their SAV, but that does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less than 4 bindus. So both angles get covered.

3)

PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be

present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th

is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Same logic as above. Malefic in 7th with malefic

planets in 6th and 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER

aspect the planet in 7th house, thereby those malefic planets will

not ADD power by their aspect to the planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in 6th

house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e

House C therefore that will remove one planet for giving the result. All planets in 8th house will

aspect 2nd house, therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving the result. So the planet that is left can give the result

J. Again, there is the talk of aspect by benefics which u can refer to the explanation in the above

point.

4)

PapaH Papanam vargago

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of

other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Here in this law the

VARGA is talked about. Here I will take

/ consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e. the

navamsa depositor. Now here I will

refer to the law that I gave in the 1st point, where if any planet

aspects house A, B and C, then that planet cannot give the result, but its

samdharmi will. So now, here lets

assume, Mars is in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house

so Mars itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of

another malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become

samdharmi to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and it can

come forward to give the result.

This law is just the extension of the basic law of KAS which includes

the samdharmi portion.

5)

PapaH mriti bhavanapatir

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th

house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: If Saturn rules 7th

and 8th house and is placed in 7th house, then still

Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House E or 7th

house which is powerful upchay or LoE.

In any other case, lets assume Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th

house and is placed in Sco, then generally Guru as

more than 4 bindus, so any planet in House D or E i.e

in this case 7th or 11th house can become eager to give

the result. Again the talk of

aspect by benefics and that has been explained above.

 

6)

PapaH mandi raseeswaro

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is

placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of

mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Haven’t used Mandi so cannot comment on this law.

7)

PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if

that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Here there is talk of

4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th house is 4th

from 2nd house. In other

words, if 2nd house is Boss then 5th house is the

subordinate. So 5th

house lord is helper of 2nd house. Now if this Helper itself goes into 7th

house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will enhance the power further. i.e. helper (5th lord) now

has become more eager (upchay).

8)

Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is

placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial

aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th

lord Jupiter is a malefic)

Ash: There is a law in KAS

which states that if 6th lord and particularly Guru (which has more

than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or their

lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill the spouse

in the antra of Guru.

Second view point, is that

Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th house

is 5th from 6th i.e LoC. This Guru

if its placed in 7th house then firstly it spoils the happiness of 7th

house and secondly it becomes powerful upchay sthan for 2nd house

i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a

very malefic Guru can do a lot of damage by killing the spouse and reducing the

happiness of 7th house.

This become even more potent if Sun is also aspected by Guru. (this is

not mentioned in the verse above)

9)

vrischikasthascha sukra

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in

7th is placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna

6th lord Venus is a malefic)

Ash: Same logic as above. Venus will not aspect 2nd

house being placed in 7th house therefore it can give the result of

2nd house. Venus being

placed in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can

give the timing of event and Ve being 6th lord

can reduce the happiness of marital life and that can mean separation or death

of spouse.

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces

as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or

loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to

all other houses as well.

Ash: Same logic as above.

 

 

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

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Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

// 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //

 

I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:05:52 AM Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear All, There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate "death of wife" in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote –

PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –

1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

 

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to all other houses as well. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

 

//I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.//

 

I wonder if is an indirect effect of 5L going 3 houses away and not having any beneficial aspect, and 5L being a malefic, thus affecting progeny, which indirectly affects the spouse ?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 4:44:54 PMRe: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

// 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //

 

I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:05:52 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear All, There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate "death of wife" in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote –

PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –

1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

 

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to all other houses as well. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,>  -Manoj

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Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

It is interesting that in the Kalapurusha, indeed the 5L Sun is debilitated in 7H Libra. Similarly for Libra Asc, 5L Sat is Deb in 7H of Aries. In these two cases (for Aries and Libra Asc) this might be particularly true?

 

On the other hand it may not necessarily be true for Cancer Asc since 5L Mars will be exalted in 7H?

 

So I think you logic may be correct. May be problems from children might cause separation in such cases, especially with Aries and Libra lagna?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:16:54 PM Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Respected Sreenadh ji,

I'm reading this thread with interest and trying to understand.

In my chart my 5th lord Shani is placed in 7th house in Mesh rashi (neech).

Although Shani is benefic to me as I have heard/read,:

"1,5,9 ke swami chahe naisargic paap graha hi kyon na hon, hamesha shubhatwa hi pradan karte hain" I would be pleased to hear from you the role of Shani in my chart.

Regards,

sheel

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Friday, 7 August, 2009 9:46:54 AM Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Dear Sreenadh ji and Manoj ji,What Sreenadh ji says about the husband's importance becoming less once the children come along is correct. But I don;t think, it has a bearing on 5th lord being in 7th. --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,If I may add.5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses, spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of its roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna, where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive and also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take them as detrimental malefics for any house.

Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both harmful for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage. But sign pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.

Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha, so it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and creates problems in marital harmony.   

Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK. 5H represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to an earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which is brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to his over ambitiousness.

Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a serious problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The natives are inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might be of questionable character.

Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause separation.

These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other influences and the holistic reading.RegardsNeelam    

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Dear Sreenadh ji and Manoj ji,

What Sreenadh ji says about the husband's importance becoming less once the children come along is 100% correct. But I do not think it has any bearing on the 5th lord being present in 7th. IT IS ONE OF THE UNIVERSAL LAWS. Even Renuka devi was accused by her husband that she was becoming slack in following of her pativrata dharm once the children came along. Separation / losing the spouse / breaking of marriage, can manifest in many ways. I have this combo in my chart and I did live separately from my husband for 5 years since he took up an assignment in a place where it was not possible for me to go. THe same combo is in my cousins horoscope also, and she too had to live apart from her husband for 2 years on account of work. In my case , the separation happened during the MD of the 12th lord and AD of Rahu who is placed in my 8th house. Fits in perfectly does it not?Regards to both of you.

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Dear friend,

 

'Papa' at a number of places

 

even in BPHS

 

is meant for

 

functional malefics-

 

having functionality of

 

2nd and 7th bhava from a bhava.

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy,

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji,

>

> // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that

malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of

any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //

>

> I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H

isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination?

Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:05:52 AM

> Some combinations that indicate the death

of wife

>

>  

> Dear All,

>  

> There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate

" death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD

1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very

authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the quote is

from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must have been

reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote †"

> PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> The above quote lists many major combinations. They are †"

> 1)                  PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is

placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th  is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 2)                  PapaH yadi balarahitaH

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated

or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is

devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 3)                  PapaH papamadhyasthito

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be

present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 4)                  PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna,

and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that

malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's

wife will die.

> 5)                  PapaH mriti bhavanapatir

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and

if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

native's wife will die.

> 6)                  PapaH mandi raseeswaro

 soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if

that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

native's wife will die.

> 7)                  PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna,

and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is

devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 8)                  Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam =  If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn,

and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

> 9)                  vrischikasthascha sukra

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam =   If Venus in 7th is

placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect

towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is

a malefic)

>  

> Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as

well.  These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss of

wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to all

other houses as well.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

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Dear Neelamji,

What you have said about aries lagna and 5th lord in 7th is 100% true in my case. I find the very artificial saccarine tongued people very tiresome and just avoid their company. I am not very much a temple goer nor do I believe in ritualistic sort of religion but I AM totally into spiritualism. TOTALLY. May be because of the fact that a exalted saturn is keeping sun company in my 7th house. Luckily for me, my husband does not have any objection to my persuing my sadhana , my introspective retreats etc as ultimately he too benefits if I do anything to better my self in a spiritual way. Wise man, would you not say?Love,Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:14 AM

Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,If I may add.5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses, spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of its roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna, where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive and also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take them as detrimental malefics for any house.Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both harmful for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage. But sign

pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK.. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha, so it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and creates problems in marital harmony. Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK. 5H represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to an earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which is brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to his over ambitiousness.Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a serious problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The natives are

inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might be of questionable character.Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause separation.These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other influences and the holistic reading.RegardsNeelam

 

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Dear All,Giving below two sagi lagna charts with 5L mars in 7H. Case 1: 4.4.1961/00.12/DelhiMarried twice but both were failures, resulted in divorce. Now singleCase 2: 17.10.1960/11.53/Delhi

Happily married with normal quota of discords. But there is lack of happiness.Two children. One daughter and younger son adopted.Hope this will give us some more clues. The houses having influence of benefics flourish. So the classics say!

RegardsNeelam2009/8/7 Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friend,

 

'Papa' at a number of places

 

even in BPHS

 

is meant for

 

functional malefics-

 

having functionality of

 

2nd and 7th bhava from a bhava.

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy,

 

, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji,

>

> // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //

>

> I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:05:52 AM

> Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

>

>  

> Dear All,

>  

> There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote †"

 

> PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> The above quote lists many major combinations. They are †"

> 1)                  PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th  is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 2)                  PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted) malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 3)                  PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 4)                  PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 5)                  PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 6)                  PapaH mandi raseeswaro  soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 7)                  PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> 8)                  Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam =  If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

> 9)                  vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam =   If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

>  

> Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as well.  These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to all other houses as well.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita ji,Thank you for sharing. What kind of spirituality one pursues will depend upon many other factors, so also the background and upbringing of a native.But Sun as 5L is often seen to be associated with temple goers. Placement of JUP and Mars, the other legs of dharma tripod, is also important.

RegardsNeelam2009/8/7 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelamji,

What you have said about aries lagna and 5th lord in 7th is 100% true in my case. I find the very artificial saccarine tongued people very tiresome and just avoid their company. I am not very much a temple goer nor do I believe in ritualistic sort of religion but I AM totally into spiritualism. TOTALLY. May be because of the fact that a exalted saturn is keeping sun company in my 7th house. Luckily for me, my husband does not have any objection to my persuing my sadhana , my introspective retreats etc as ultimately he too benefits if I do anything to better my self in a spiritual way. Wise man, would you not say?

Love,Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:14 AM

 

Dear Manoj ji, Sreenadh ji,If I may add.5H is not only putra, it also about buddhi, vivek, creative impulses, spiritual prowess and above all the previous merits. 5L can take any of its roles in the 7H depending upon the karakas, lords and dashas.

Mars and Saturn are Papgrahas and they become lords of 5H only in cancer (mar), virgo (sat), Libra (sat), Sag (Mars). We could include aries lagna, where Sun is a kroor graham, not exactly papagraha.Of these Saturn and Sun are by nature separative and Mars is aggressive and also causes kuja dosha. In any case, irrespective of lordships, we take them as detrimental malefics for any house.

Regarding 7H, Mars causes aggression and Saturn causes virakti, both harmful for any alliance. Let us see it lagna-wise:Virgo: Saturn is 5L going to pisces in the 7H. It is also the 6L, which is the MT sign, hence sat may be more inclined towards negation of marriage. But sign

pisces being a spiritual jupiterian sign Saturn could act on the virakti angle, if otherwise well aspected.Libra: Saturn is 4/5 lord and a YK.. But it debilitates in 7H, thus causing loss in 7H. However, this Saturn is also in martian territory and neecha, so it can create a havoc by not applying his intellect and discrimination and creates problems in marital harmony.   

Cancer: Here mars is 5L who exalts in 7H. This mars is also 10L and a YK. 5H represents a deep nurturing and spiritual quality of mars and it goes to an earthy sign of philosophical Saturn and is in strength there. Since mars also represents the 10H which is the MT sign, it is the profession which is brought up with intelligence and care. The native might lose his spouse to his over ambitiousness.

Sagittarius: Mars is 5/12L in gemini. This is where I have noticed a serious problem in many cases. Mars is also 12L, and afflicts mercury too. The natives are

inclined towards multiple affairs, or get a spouse who might be of questionable character.Aries: 5L Sun debilitates in 7H. A spiritual and intelligent sun is rather uncomfortable in the domains of Libran superficiality. The native/wife may be inclined towards religious pursuits/temples etc, which might cause separation.

These are some points, but we could only be sure depending upon other influences and the holistic reading.RegardsNeelam    

 

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[Guest guest]

Ash,

 

Your point below about the 6th lord aspecting 2nd or 7th house or their lords -

is this law applicable only for Guru as 6th lord?

 

If the 6th lord is Mars (scorpio lagna) and is placed in 7th house - then it

aspects the 2nd house. Can the spouse die in the antra of Mars (of course

depending upon its points, and the main dasha period, Karaka etc.etc.). Mars in

7th house is considered the mangla dosha in VA - so another VA rule justified by

KAS law!!! Bravo!

 

- N

 

 

 

, " Ash's Corner " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work and effort.

>

> I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws using KAS,

> again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a numerical

> format.

>

> I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into KAS language so

> that it will add value to both the lists.

>

> I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below each law that

> you have given in RED.

>

> In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be used i.e basic

> laws of KAS

>

> 1) Planet aspecting House A, B and C cannot give the result, their

> samdharmis can give the result.

> 2) A benefic planet i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will aspect

> malefically with equal power, a Malefic planet i.e. a planet with less than

> 4 bindus will aspect beneficially with power.

> 3) 7th house is House E or 6th from 2nd house therefore planets placed

> in House E with more points i.e. very eager to give the result. Same for

> LoD i.e. 11th house.

>

> If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in line. I am detailing

> that below.

>

> I hope it helps all.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

> On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Wednesday August 5, 2009 1:06 PM

>

> Some combinations that indicate the

> death of wife

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that indicate

> " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati

> (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this

> very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since the

> quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it must

> have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote -

> PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> The above quote lists many major combinations. They are -

> 1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in

> 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: A Malefic is defined as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. If a Malefic

> is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th house then it means

> that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in 5th

> house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn will ADD

> +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is the HOUSE OF

> DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th house

> which is House E or 6th house (powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd house

> therefore it will become very eager to give 2nd house result, one of which

> is Death of Spouse. Now second point is that, it says that if this malefic

> that is placed in 7th house is DEVOID BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am

> translating it as AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET, therefore a benefic is

> defined as a planet with more than 4 bindus, then this place will ASPECT

> this malefic planet with -ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is in 3rd house

> with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house with 5 bindus, then Guru and

> Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore together they will aspect Mars in

> 7th house and REDUCE the power of Mars. As per KAS, death happens in

> highest power planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the house under focus

> so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd house is the main house

> i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th and 7th house become very eager. Therefore

> in all the Shlokas 7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th from

> 2nd house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

> All the above is summed up along with the exception in the total KAS power

> that we get and gives the NET value in numerical format.

>

> 2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted)

> malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of

> any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Same as above. Here I would like to talk of another KAS basic law

> which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B and C i.e. here for

> 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd and C = 6th house then such a planet itself

> cannot give the result on its own. It MAY come forward only if its powerful

> samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give the result. So

> it can be deputed.

> Therefore, for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th aspect only.

> Therefore they WILL NOT aspect 9th, 2nd or 6th house. So each planet has

> the potential to give the result and in this case, it can give the result of

> death of spouse. For Mars, if its placed in 7th house, then it will aspect

> 2nd house, but at the same time its mostly with less than 4 bindus so it

> will ADD power to 2nd house. For Jupiter, again it will not aspect 6th, 2nd

> nor 9th house so again, Guru can become a potent killer, particularly if it

> has more than 4 bindus. Shani will aspect 9th house so it cannot give the

> result itself, unless it owns 7th house or 11th house. In one law below

> this is given. Again, there is talk of Benefical aspect, then same as above

> point, a benefic will aspect with malefic strength of equal power and

> thereby it will REDUCE the power and if the power gets reduced then that

> planet might not be able to give death. Therefore there is a lot of stress

> regarding aspect of A BENEFIC (which is not necessarily natural benefics)

> but it can be any planet with more than 4 bindus. Yes, on the same note,

> GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4 bindus in their SAV, but that

> does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less than 4

> bindus. So both angles get covered.

> 3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be present

> in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Same logic as above. Malefic in 7th with malefic planets in 6th and

> 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER aspect the planet in 7th house,

> thereby those malefic planets will not ADD power by their aspect to the

> planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in 6th

> house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e House C therefore that will remove

> one planet for giving the result. All planets in 8th house will aspect 2nd

> house, therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving the

> result. So the planet that is left can give the result :-). Again, there

> is the talk of aspect by benefics which u can refer to the explanation in

> the above point.

> 4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets

> and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

> then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Here in this law the VARGA is talked about. Here I will take /

> consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e. the

> navamsa depositor. Now here I will refer to the law that I gave in the 1st

> point, where if any planet aspects house A, B and C, then that planet cannot

> give the result, but its samdharmi will. So now, here lets assume, Mars is

> in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house so Mars

> itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of another

> malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become

> samdharmi to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and it can

> come forward to give the result. This law is just the extension of the

> basic law of KAS which includes the samdharmi portion.

> 5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if that

> malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die.

> Ash: If Saturn rules 7th and 8th house and is placed in 7th house, then

> still Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House E or

> 7th house which is powerful upchay or LoE. In any other case, lets assume

> Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th house and is placed in Sco, then

> generally Guru as more than 4 bindus, so any planet in House D or E i.e in

> this case 7th or 11th house can become eager to give the result. Again the

> talk of aspect by benefics and that has been explained above.

> 6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that

> malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die.

> Ash: Haven't used Mandi so cannot comment on this law.

> 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic

> in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife

> will die.

> Ash: Here there is talk of 4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th house is 4th from

> 2nd house. In other words, if 2nd house is Boss then 5th house is the

> subordinate. So 5th house lord is helper of 2nd house. Now if this Helper

> itself goes into 7th house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will enhance

> the power further. i.e. helper (5th lord) now has become more eager

> (upchay).

> 8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that

> malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

> Ash: There is a law in KAS which states that if 6th lord and particularly

> Guru (which has more than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or their

> lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill the

> spouse in the antra of Guru.

> Second view point, is that Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th house is

> 5th from 6th i.e LoC. This Guru if its placed in 7th house then firstly it

> spoils the happiness of 7th house and secondly it becomes powerful upchay

> sthan for 2nd house i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a very malefic Guru can

> do a lot of damage by killing the spouse and reducing the happiness of 7th

> house. This become even more potent if Sun is also aspected by Guru. (this

> is not mentioned in the verse above)

> 9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio,

> and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

> the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

> Ash: Same logic as above. Venus will not aspect 2nd house being placed in

> 7th house therefore it can give the result of 2nd house. Venus being placed

> in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can give the timing of event

> and Ve being 6th lord can reduce the happiness of marital life and that can

> mean separation or death of spouse.

> Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as

> well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss

> of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to

> all other houses as well.

> Ash: Same logic as above.

>

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

I have two doubts.

(1) In the first post it is said:

//and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets //

Which varga chart do we take? D-9?

(2) In second post you have mentioned:

// This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such

cases. //

 

I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about spouse's

death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/ separation. Or are you

taking it philosophically, to include all aspects of marriage " break up " ?

Please clarify.

Thanks and Regards,

Rajendra

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by

> Phaladeepika as well vide sloka " Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro

> adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam " .

> There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its

> extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc).

> Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord

> placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing).

> May be it is because -

> 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of

> husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords

> may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children

> become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife

> losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead

> to marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical

> derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum.

> I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the

> dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage

> came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in

> such cases.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> >

> > // 7)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PapaH Putrastanadhipo

> soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is

> placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as

> well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect

> towards it then the native's wife will die. //

> >

> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for

> the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic

> combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Â -Manoj

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirvana ji,

 

Guru is considered the greatest benefic, but as 6th

lord it will become very malefic.

Mostly Guru has more than 4 bindus therefore its aspect will be very

harsh. It devoids

the person represented by the house it aspects.

 

Similar thing has happened in Prabhu Ram’s chart. Guru is lord of 6th and in

Lagna in unccha with more than 4 bindus. As per the basic laws we know that Guru

being in unccha, means that the aspects will be very very malefic on top of that it has more than 4 bindus. Therefore, his father died when he went

to Vanvas, 9th aspect, then in next he

lost is wife Sita who was abducted and eventually she

too separated permanently and lastly his children.

 

This should give u further insight into how Malefic Guru can

act. In due course of time u can

test this on many charts and u will get more clearer picture with your own

earned experience.

 

Yes, regarding your point about 6th lord mars in 7th

house, is wonderful.

 

You are now beginning to understand how deep the theory is,

and for those who are following the laws of KAS, are already considering all

these things / laws.

 

If you continue to read the vedic

texts using the laws of KAS, u will get CONCRETE REASONING behind each law and

u will understand that KAS infact will help give u a depth of understanding and

u will realize the power of the WS.

 

What Guru ji had told all members

and its written in the introductory page is that one should have good knowledge

of VA first before they dwelve into KAS for Timing of

Events. He also had told how if one

understands the theory portion of KAS, all the laws that are spread across or

mixed up in due course of time can get corrected.

 

A tall order, for those who are “POPAT JYOTISH”

or those who mug the laws from standard books without knowing the theory behind

it. Yes, mostly I have noticed

persons applying MYTHOLOGY to explain things and not science. However, in my opinion, lack of

knowledge can also be hidden behind mythology.

 

In KAS we are sticking to ONLY to science portion. No remedies, no mythology, just pure

science and calculations.

 

Anyone who is keen to understand Jyotish with concrete reasoning

and the thirst for that, can really enjoy this experience of KAS. Mostly Engineers, Doctors, Scientists

and people with a very logical bend thinking and those people who have studied

many systems and have done a lot of research who have been stuck up for not

getting proper reasoning, when they study the laws and theory of KAS can start

to get some concrete answers.

 

This system is not for those who want a “Generlized” answer, do not want to work hard, want to

take short cut, and people without ethics.

This system WILL NOT work in their hands.

 

Thanks for listening,

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of nirvana_seeker3

Friday August 7, 2009 10:53

AM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of

wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ash,

 

Your point below about the 6th lord aspecting 2nd or 7th house or their lords -

is this law applicable only for Guru as 6th lord?

 

If the 6th lord is Mars (scorpio lagna) and is placed in 7th house - then it

aspects the 2nd house. Can the spouse die in the antra of Mars (of course

depending upon its points, and the main dasha period, Karaka etc.etc.). Mars in

7th house is considered the mangla dosha in VA - so another VA rule justified

by KAS law!!! Bravo!

 

- N

 

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work and effort.

>

> I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws using KAS,

> again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a numerical

> format.

>

> I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into KAS language

so

> that it will add value to both the lists.

>

> I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below each law that

> you have given in RED.

>

> In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be used i.e

basic

> laws of KAS

>

> 1) Planet aspecting House A, B and C cannot give the result, their

> samdharmis can give the result.

> 2) A benefic planet i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will aspect

> malefically with equal power, a Malefic planet i.e. a planet with less

than

> 4 bindus will aspect beneficially with power.

> 3) 7th house is House E or 6th from 2nd house therefore planets placed

> in House E with more points i.e. very eager to give the result. Same for

> LoD i.e. 11th house.

>

> If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in line. I am detailing

> that below.

>

> I hope it helps all.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

>

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Wednesday August 5, 2009 1:06 PM

>

> Some combinations that indicate the

> death of wife

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that

indicate

> " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna

Anushtana Paddhati

> (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this

> very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since

the

> quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it

must

> have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote -

> PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> The above quote lists many major combinations. They are -

> 1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in

> 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: A Malefic is defined as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. If a

Malefic

> is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th house then it means

> that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in 5th

> house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn will

ADD

> +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is the HOUSE OF

> DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th house

> which is House E or 6th house (powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd house

> therefore it will become very eager to give 2nd house result, one of which

> is Death of Spouse. Now second point is that, it says that if this malefic

> that is placed in 7th house is DEVOID BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am

> translating it as AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET, therefore a benefic is

> defined as a planet with more than 4 bindus, then this place will ASPECT

> this malefic planet with -ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is in 3rd house

> with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house with 5 bindus, then Guru and

> Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore together they will aspect Mars

in

> 7th house and REDUCE the power of Mars. As per KAS, death happens in

> highest power planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the house under

focus

> so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd house is the main

house

> i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th and 7th house become very eager. Therefore

> in all the Shlokas 7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th from

> 2nd house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

> All the above is summed up along with the exception in the total KAS power

> that we get and gives the NET value in numerical format.

>

> 2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted)

> malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid

of

> any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Same as above. Here I would like to talk of another KAS basic law

> which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B and C i.e. here for

> 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd and C = 6th house then such a planet itself

> cannot give the result on its own. It MAY come forward only if its

powerful

> samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give the result.

So

> it can be deputed.

> Therefore, for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th aspect only.

> Therefore they WILL NOT aspect 9th, 2nd or 6th house. So each planet has

> the potential to give the result and in this case, it can give the result

of

> death of spouse. For Mars, if its placed in 7th house, then it will aspect

> 2nd house, but at the same time its mostly with less than 4 bindus so it

> will ADD power to 2nd house. For Jupiter, again it will not aspect 6th,

2nd

> nor 9th house so again, Guru can become a potent killer, particularly if

it

> has more than 4 bindus. Shani will aspect 9th house so it cannot give the

> result itself, unless it owns 7th house or 11th house. In one law below

> this is given. Again, there is talk of Benefical aspect, then same as

above

> point, a benefic will aspect with malefic strength of equal power and

> thereby it will REDUCE the power and if the power gets reduced then that

> planet might not be able to give death. Therefore there is a lot of stress

> regarding aspect of A BENEFIC (which is not necessarily natural benefics)

> but it can be any planet with more than 4 bindus. Yes, on the same note,

> GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4 bindus in their SAV, but that

> does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less than 4

> bindus. So both angles get covered.

> 3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be

present

> in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Same logic as above. Malefic in 7th with malefic planets in 6th and

> 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER aspect the planet in 7th house,

> thereby those malefic planets will not ADD power by their aspect to the

> planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in 6th

> house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e House C therefore that will

remove

> one planet for giving the result. All planets in 8th house will aspect 2nd

> house, therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving the

> result. So the planet that is left can give the result :-). Again, there

> is the talk of aspect by benefics which u can refer to the explanation in

> the above point.

> 4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets

> and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

> then the native's wife will die.

> Ash: Here in this law the VARGA is talked about. Here I will take /

> consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e. the

> navamsa depositor. Now here I will refer to the law that I gave in the 1st

> point, where if any planet aspects house A, B and C, then that planet cannot

> give the result, but its samdharmi will. So now, here lets assume, Mars is

> in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house so

Mars

> itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of another

> malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become

> samdharmi to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and it

can

> come forward to give the result. This law is just the extension of the

> basic law of KAS which includes the samdharmi portion.

> 5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if

that

> malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die.

> Ash: If Saturn rules 7th and 8th house and is placed in 7th house, then

> still Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House E or

> 7th house which is powerful upchay or LoE. In any other case, lets assume

> Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th house and is placed in Sco, then

> generally Guru as more than 4 bindus, so any planet in House D or E i.e in

> this case 7th or 11th house can become eager to give the result. Again the

> talk of aspect by benefics and that has been explained above.

> 6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that

> malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die.

> Ash: Haven't used Mandi so cannot comment on this law.

> 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that

malefic

> in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's

wife

> will die.

> Ash: Here there is talk of 4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th house is 4th from

> 2nd house. In other words, if 2nd house is Boss then 5th house is the

> subordinate. So 5th house lord is helper of 2nd house. Now if this Helper

> itself goes into 7th house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will enhance

> the power further. i.e. helper (5th lord) now has become more eager

> (upchay).

> 8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that

> malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

> Ash: There is a law in KAS which states that if 6th lord and particularly

> Guru (which has more than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or their

> lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill the

> spouse in the antra of Guru.

> Second view point, is that Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th house

is

> 5th from 6th i.e LoC. This Guru if its placed in 7th house then firstly it

> spoils the happiness of 7th house and secondly it becomes powerful upchay

> sthan for 2nd house i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a very malefic Guru

can

> do a lot of damage by killing the spouse and reducing the happiness of 7th

> house. This become even more potent if Sun is also aspected by Guru. (this

> is not mentioned in the verse above)

> 9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH

> madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio,

> and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

then

> the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

> Ash: Same logic as above. Venus will not aspect 2nd house being placed in

> 7th house therefore it can give the result of 2nd house. Venus being

placed

> in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can give the timing of

event

> and Ve being 6th lord can reduce the happiness of marital life and that

can

> mean separation or death of spouse.

> Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as

> well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss

> of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to

> all other houses as well.

> Ash: Same logic as above.

>

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ash. So, are you saying that this law about 6th lord aspecting 2nd and

7th is applicable only for Jupiter as 6th lord? Or, is it applicable for all

planets.

 

Thanks, N

 

, " Ash's Corner " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Nirvana ji,

>

> Guru is considered the greatest benefic, but as 6th lord it will become very

> malefic. Mostly Guru has more than 4 bindus therefore its aspect will be

> very harsh. It devoids the person represented by the house it aspects.

>

> Similar thing has happened in Prabhu Ram's chart. Guru is lord of 6th and

> in Lagna in unccha with more than 4 bindus. As per the basic laws we know

> that Guru being in unccha, means that the aspects will be very very malefic

> on top of that it has more than 4 bindus. Therefore, his father died when

> he went to Vanvas, 9th aspect, then in next he lost is wife Sita who was

> abducted and eventually she too separated permanently and lastly his

> children.

>

> This should give u further insight into how Malefic Guru can act. In due

> course of time u can test this on many charts and u will get more clearer

> picture with your own earned experience.

>

> Yes, regarding your point about 6th lord mars in 7th house, is wonderful.

>

> You are now beginning to understand how deep the theory is, and for those

> who are following the laws of KAS, are already considering all these things

> / laws.

>

> If you continue to read the vedic texts using the laws of KAS, u will get

> CONCRETE REASONING behind each law and u will understand that KAS infact

> will help give u a depth of understanding and u will realize the power of

> the WS.

>

> What Guru ji had told all members and its written in the introductory page

> is that one should have good knowledge of VA first before they dwelve into

> KAS for Timing of Events. He also had told how if one understands the

> theory portion of KAS, all the laws that are spread across or mixed up in

> due course of time can get corrected.

>

> A tall order, for those who are " POPAT JYOTISH " or those who mug the laws

> from standard books without knowing the theory behind it. Yes, mostly I

> have noticed persons applying MYTHOLOGY to explain things and not science.

> However, in my opinion, lack of knowledge can also be hidden behind

> mythology.

>

> In KAS we are sticking to ONLY to science portion. No remedies, no

> mythology, just pure science and calculations.

>

> Anyone who is keen to understand Jyotish with concrete reasoning and the

> thirst for that, can really enjoy this experience of KAS. Mostly Engineers,

> Doctors, Scientists and people with a very logical bend thinking and those

> people who have studied many systems and have done a lot of research who

> have been stuck up for not getting proper reasoning, when they study the

> laws and theory of KAS can start to get some concrete answers.

>

> This system is not for those who want a " Generlized " answer, do not want to

> work hard, want to take short cut, and people without ethics. This system

> WILL NOT work in their hands.

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> nirvana_seeker3

> Friday August 7, 2009 10:53 AM

>

> Re: Some combinations that indicate the

> death of wife

>

>

> Ash,

>

> Your point below about the 6th lord aspecting 2nd or 7th house or their

> lords - is this law applicable only for Guru as 6th lord?

>

> If the 6th lord is Mars (scorpio lagna) and is placed in 7th house - then it

> aspects the 2nd house. Can the spouse die in the antra of Mars (of course

> depending upon its points, and the main dasha period, Karaka etc.etc.). Mars

> in 7th house is considered the mangla dosha in VA - so another VA rule

> justified by KAS law!!! Bravo!

>

> - N

>

>

> <%40> , " Ash's Corner@ "

> <kas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work and effort.

> >

> > I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws using KAS,

> > again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a numerical

> > format.

> >

> > I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into KAS language

> so

> > that it will add value to both the lists.

> >

> > I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below each law that

> > you have given in RED.

> >

> > In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be used i.e

> basic

> > laws of KAS

> >

> > 1) Planet aspecting House A, B and C cannot give the result, their

> > samdharmis can give the result.

> > 2) A benefic planet i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will aspect

> > malefically with equal power, a Malefic planet i.e. a planet with less

> than

> > 4 bindus will aspect beneficially with power.

> > 3) 7th house is House E or 6th from 2nd house therefore planets placed

> > in House E with more points i.e. very eager to give the result. Same for

> > LoD i.e. 11th house.

> >

> > If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in line. I am detailing

> > that below.

> >

> > I hope it helps all.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> >

> <%40>

> > [

> <%40> ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> > Wednesday August 5, 2009 1:06 PM

> >

> <%40>

> > Some combinations that indicate the

> > death of wife

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that

> indicate

> > " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna Anushtana Paddhati

> > (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on this

> > very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work. Since

> the

> > quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular, it

> must

> > have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the quote -

> > PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> > Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> > Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> > Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> > (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> > The above quote lists many major combinations. They are -

> > 1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> > Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is placed in

> > 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> > aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: A Malefic is defined as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. If a

> Malefic

> > is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th house then it means

> > that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in 5th

> > house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn will

> ADD

> > +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is the HOUSE OF

> > DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th house

> > which is House E or 6th house (powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd house

> > therefore it will become very eager to give 2nd house result, one of which

> > is Death of Spouse. Now second point is that, it says that if this malefic

> > that is placed in 7th house is DEVOID BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am

> > translating it as AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET, therefore a benefic is

> > defined as a planet with more than 4 bindus, then this place will ASPECT

> > this malefic planet with -ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is in 3rd house

> > with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house with 5 bindus, then Guru and

> > Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore together they will aspect Mars

> in

> > 7th house and REDUCE the power of Mars. As per KAS, death happens in

> > highest power planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the house under

> focus

> > so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd house is the main

> house

> > i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th and 7th house become very eager. Therefore

> > in all the Shlokas 7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th from

> > 2nd house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

> > All the above is summed up along with the exception in the total KAS power

> > that we get and gives the NET value in numerical format.

> >

> > 2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted)

> > malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid

> of

> > any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Same as above. Here I would like to talk of another KAS basic law

> > which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B and C i.e. here for

> > 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd and C = 6th house then such a planet itself

> > cannot give the result on its own. It MAY come forward only if its

> powerful

> > samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give the result.

> So

> > it can be deputed.

> > Therefore, for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th aspect only.

> > Therefore they WILL NOT aspect 9th, 2nd or 6th house. So each planet has

> > the potential to give the result and in this case, it can give the result

> of

> > death of spouse. For Mars, if its placed in 7th house, then it will aspect

> > 2nd house, but at the same time its mostly with less than 4 bindus so it

> > will ADD power to 2nd house. For Jupiter, again it will not aspect 6th,

> 2nd

> > nor 9th house so again, Guru can become a potent killer, particularly if

> it

> > has more than 4 bindus. Shani will aspect 9th house so it cannot give the

> > result itself, unless it owns 7th house or 11th house. In one law below

> > this is given. Again, there is talk of Benefical aspect, then same as

> above

> > point, a benefic will aspect with malefic strength of equal power and

> > thereby it will REDUCE the power and if the power gets reduced then that

> > planet might not be able to give death. Therefore there is a lot of stress

> > regarding aspect of A BENEFIC (which is not necessarily natural benefics)

> > but it can be any planet with more than 4 bindus. Yes, on the same note,

> > GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4 bindus in their SAV, but that

> > does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less than 4

> > bindus. So both angles get covered.

> > 3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> > lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be

> present

> > in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial

> > aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Same logic as above. Malefic in 7th with malefic planets in 6th and

> > 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER aspect the planet in 7th house,

> > thereby those malefic planets will not ADD power by their aspect to the

> > planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in 6th

> > house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e House C therefore that will

> remove

> > one planet for giving the result. All planets in 8th house will aspect 2nd

> > house, therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving the

> > result. So the planet that is left can give the result :-). Again, there

> > is the talk of aspect by benefics which u can refer to the explanation in

> > the above point.

> > 4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets

> > and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

> > then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Here in this law the VARGA is talked about. Here I will take /

> > consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e. the

> > navamsa depositor. Now here I will refer to the law that I gave in the 1st

> > point, where if any planet aspects house A, B and C, then that planet

> cannot

> > give the result, but its samdharmi will. So now, here lets assume, Mars is

> > in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house so

> Mars

> > itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of another

> > malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become

> > samdharmi to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and it

> can

> > come forward to give the result. This law is just the extension of the

> > basic law of KAS which includes the samdharmi portion.

> > 5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and if

> that

> > malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> > native's wife will die.

> > Ash: If Saturn rules 7th and 8th house and is placed in 7th house, then

> > still Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House E or

> > 7th house which is powerful upchay or LoE. In any other case, lets assume

> > Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th house and is placed in Sco, then

> > generally Guru as more than 4 bindus, so any planet in House D or E i.e in

> > this case 7th or 11th house can become eager to give the result. Again the

> > talk of aspect by benefics and that has been explained above.

> > 6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if that

> > malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> > native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Haven't used Mandi so cannot comment on this law.

> > 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that

> malefic

> > in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's

> wife

> > will die.

> > Ash: Here there is talk of 4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th house is 4th from

> > 2nd house. In other words, if 2nd house is Boss then 5th house is the

> > subordinate. So 5th house lord is helper of 2nd house. Now if this Helper

> > itself goes into 7th house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will enhance

> > the power further. i.e. helper (5th lord) now has become more eager

> > (upchay).

> > 8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> > Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if that

> > malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> > native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a malefic)

> > Ash: There is a law in KAS which states that if 6th lord and particularly

> > Guru (which has more than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or their

> > lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill the

> > spouse in the antra of Guru.

> > Second view point, is that Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th house

> is

> > 5th from 6th i.e LoC. This Guru if its placed in 7th house then firstly it

> > spoils the happiness of 7th house and secondly it becomes powerful upchay

> > sthan for 2nd house i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a very malefic Guru

> can

> > do a lot of damage by killing the spouse and reducing the happiness of 7th

> > house. This become even more potent if Sun is also aspected by Guru. (this

> > is not mentioned in the verse above)

> > 9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in Scorpio,

> > and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it

> then

> > the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a malefic)

> > Ash: Same logic as above. Venus will not aspect 2nd house being placed in

> > 7th house therefore it can give the result of 2nd house. Venus being

> placed

> > in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can give the timing of

> event

> > and Ve being 6th lord can reduce the happiness of marital life and that

> can

> > mean separation or death of spouse.

> > Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces as

> > well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or loss

> > of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to

> > all other houses as well.

> > Ash: Same logic as above.

> >

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

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If 7th lord placed in 2nd House not sufficient for wife's death.

 

Anand Jain--- On Fri, 7/8/09, rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt wrote:

rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 7:15 AM

Dear Sreenadh ji,I have two doubts.(1) In the first post it is said://and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic planets //Which varga chart do we take? D-9?(2) In second post you have mentioned:// This might be the thing that ultimately lead to marriage break-up in such cases. //I understood from the title of your first post that subject is about spouse's death i.e. end of marriage naturally but not a divorce/ separation. Or are you taking it philosophically, to include all aspects of marriage "break up"?Please clarify.Thanks and Regards,Rajendraancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> 5th lord in 7th

causing break in marriage is a dictum given by> Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro> adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam".> There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its> extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). > Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord> placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing).> May be it is because -> 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of> husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords> may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children> become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife> losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead> to marriage break-up in

such cases. This is just an effort for a logical> derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum.> I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the> dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage> came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in> such cases.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran> <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> >> > // 7)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PapaH Putrastanadhipo> soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is> placed in 7th from lagna, and if that

malefic is lord of 5th house as> well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect> towards it then the native's wife will die. //> >> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%. 5L in 7H is shubh for> the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic> combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> >> > Regards,> >  -Manoj>

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This goes to show that - for eg - in this case the condition of the seperation was fullfilled - but only to the extent of the period or due to external factors, like job opportunities etc.

However i suspect that for many broken marriages there in not much love to start with.

Personal ambition and a deep desire to provide better life may result in similar importance to work over family, but the causes are very different.

Please look into it - I think the head of the person - 1st house, both the luminaries and lord of the 4th and 2nd house will make or break the situation.

I can give you a horoscope with similar 5th lord in 7th hse. The seperation is on thru last 1.5 years and now matters are at a head.

 

Lagna : Karka - Ketu,

2nd hse : Surya, Sukra, Budh,

3rd hse : nil

4th hse : nil

5th : Guru

6th : nil

7th : Mangal + Rahu

8th n 9th : nil

10th : Chandra11th : Sani

12th : Nil

 

MD of Mangal started in 2007, I think.

An accomplished astro had predicted that this lady will get job and has got it.

Chiranjiv Mehta+ 91 9324168001--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55Re: Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 10:46 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji and Manoj ji,

What Sreenadh ji says about the husband's importance becoming less once the children come along is 100% correct. But I do not think it has any bearing on the 5th lord being present in 7th. IT IS ONE OF THE UNIVERSAL LAWS. Even Renuka devi was accused by her husband that she was becoming slack in following of her pativrata dharm once the children came along. Separation / losing the spouse / breaking of marriage, can manifest in many ways. I have this combo in my chart and I did live separately from my husband for 5 years since he took up an assignment in a place where it was not possible for me to go. THe same combo is in my cousins horoscope also, and she too had to live apart from her husband for 2 years on account of work. In my case , the separation happened during the MD of the 12th lord and AD of Rahu who is placed in my 8th house. Fits in perfectly does it not?Regards to both of you.

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wifeancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 7 August, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

 

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Check the lessons, this is given.

 

 

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On Behalf Of nirvana_seeker3

Friday August 7, 2009 1:25

PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of

wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Ash. So, are you saying that this law about 6th

lord aspecting 2nd and 7th is applicable only for Jupiter as 6th lord? Or, is

it applicable for all planets.

 

Thanks, N

 

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

>

> Dear Nirvana ji,

>

> Guru is considered the greatest benefic, but as 6th lord it will become

very

> malefic. Mostly Guru has more than 4 bindus therefore its aspect will be

> very harsh. It devoids the person represented by the house it aspects.

>

> Similar thing has happened in Prabhu Ram's chart. Guru is lord of 6th and

> in Lagna in unccha with more than 4 bindus. As per the basic laws we know

> that Guru being in unccha, means that the aspects will be very very

malefic

> on top of that it has more than 4 bindus. Therefore, his father died when

> he went to Vanvas, 9th aspect, then in next he lost is wife Sita who was

> abducted and eventually she too separated permanently and lastly his

> children.

>

> This should give u further insight into how Malefic Guru can act. In due

> course of time u can test this on many charts and u will get more clearer

> picture with your own earned experience.

>

> Yes, regarding your point about 6th lord mars in 7th house, is wonderful.

>

> You are now beginning to understand how deep the theory is, and for those

> who are following the laws of KAS, are already considering all these

things

> / laws.

>

> If you continue to read the vedic texts using the laws of KAS, u will get

> CONCRETE REASONING behind each law and u will understand that KAS infact

> will help give u a depth of understanding and u will realize the power of

> the WS.

>

> What Guru ji had told all members and its written in the introductory page

> is that one should have good knowledge of VA first before they dwelve into

> KAS for Timing of Events. He also had told how if one understands the

> theory portion of KAS, all the laws that are spread across or mixed up in

> due course of time can get corrected.

>

> A tall order, for those who are " POPAT JYOTISH " or those who mug

the laws

> from standard books without knowing the theory behind it. Yes, mostly I

> have noticed persons applying MYTHOLOGY to explain things and not science.

> However, in my opinion, lack of knowledge can also be hidden behind

> mythology.

>

> In KAS we are sticking to ONLY to science portion. No remedies, no

> mythology, just pure science and calculations.

>

> Anyone who is keen to understand Jyotish with concrete reasoning and the

> thirst for that, can really enjoy this experience of KAS. Mostly

Engineers,

> Doctors, Scientists and people with a very logical bend thinking and those

> people who have studied many systems and have done a lot of research who

> have been stuck up for not getting proper reasoning, when they study the

> laws and theory of KAS can start to get some concrete answers.

>

> This system is not for those who want a " Generlized " answer, do

not want to

> work hard, want to take short cut, and people without ethics. This system

> WILL NOT work in their hands.

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

> nirvana_seeker3

> Friday August 7, 2009 10:53 AM

>

> Re: Some combinations that indicate

the

> death of wife

>

>

> Ash,

>

> Your point below about the 6th lord aspecting 2nd or 7th house or their

> lords - is this law applicable only for Guru as 6th lord?

>

> If the 6th lord is Mars (scorpio lagna) and is placed in 7th house - then

it

> aspects the 2nd house. Can the spouse die in the antra of Mars (of course

> depending upon its points, and the main dasha period, Karaka etc.etc.).

Mars

> in 7th house is considered the mangla dosha in VA - so another VA rule

> justified by KAS law!!! Bravo!

>

> - N

>

>

> <%40> , " Ash's

Corner@ "

> <kas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work and

effort.

> >

> > I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws using

KAS,

> > again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a

numerical

> > format.

> >

> > I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into KAS

language

> so

> > that it will add value to both the lists.

> >

> > I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below each law

that

> > you have given in RED.

> >

> > In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be used

i.e

> basic

> > laws of KAS

> >

> > 1) Planet aspecting House A, B and C cannot give the result, their

> > samdharmis can give the result.

> > 2) A benefic planet i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will aspect

> > malefically with equal power, a Malefic planet i.e. a planet with

less

> than

> > 4 bindus will aspect beneficially with power.

> > 3) 7th house is House E or 6th from 2nd house therefore planets

placed

> > in House E with more points i.e. very eager to give the result. Same

for

> > LoD i.e. 11th house.

> >

> > If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in line. I am

detailing

> > that below.

> >

> > I hope it helps all.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> >

> <%40>

> > [

> <%40> ] On Behalf Of

Sreenadh

> > Wednesday August 5, 2009 1:06 PM

> >

> <%40>

> > Some combinations that indicate

the

> > death of wife

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that

> indicate

> > " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna

Anushtana Paddhati

> > (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is based on

this

> > very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own work.

Since

> the

> > quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very popular,

it

> must

> > have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at the

quote -

> > PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

> > Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

> > Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

> > Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

> > (Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

> > The above quote lists many major combinations. They are -

> > 1) PapaH papekshito soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> > Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected by another malefic is

placed in

> > 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial

> > aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: A Malefic is defined as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. If a

> Malefic

> > is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th house then it

means

> > that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in

5th

> > house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn

will

> ADD

> > +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is the HOUSE

OF

> > DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th

house

> > which is House E or 6th house (powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd house

> > therefore it will become very eager to give 2nd house result, one of

which

> > is Death of Spouse. Now second point is that, it says that if this

malefic

> > that is placed in 7th house is DEVOID BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am

> > translating it as AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET, therefore a benefic

is

> > defined as a planet with more than 4 bindus, then this place will

ASPECT

> > this malefic planet with -ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is in 3rd

house

> > with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house with 5 bindus, then Guru

and

> > Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore together they will aspect

Mars

> in

> > 7th house and REDUCE the power of Mars. As per KAS, death happens in

> > highest power planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the house under

> focus

> > so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd house is the main

> house

> > i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th and 7th house become very eager.

Therefore

> > in all the Shlokas 7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th

from

> > 2nd house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

> > All the above is summed up along with the exception in the total KAS

power

> > that we get and gives the NET value in numerical format.

> >

> > 2) PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or

combusted)

> > malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th is

devoid

> of

> > any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Same as above. Here I would like to talk of another KAS basic

law

> > which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B and C i.e. here

for

> > 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd and C = 6th house then such a planet

itself

> > cannot give the result on its own. It MAY come forward only if its

> powerful

> > samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give the

result.

> So

> > it can be deputed.

> > Therefore, for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th aspect

only.

> > Therefore they WILL NOT aspect 9th, 2nd or 6th house. So each planet

has

> > the potential to give the result and in this case, it can give the

result

> of

> > death of spouse. For Mars, if its placed in 7th house, then it will

aspect

> > 2nd house, but at the same time its mostly with less than 4 bindus so

it

> > will ADD power to 2nd house. For Jupiter, again it will not aspect

6th,

> 2nd

> > nor 9th house so again, Guru can become a potent killer, particularly

if

> it

> > has more than 4 bindus. Shani will aspect 9th house so it cannot give

the

> > result itself, unless it owns 7th house or 11th house. In one law

below

> > this is given. Again, there is talk of Benefical aspect, then same as

> above

> > point, a benefic will aspect with malefic strength of equal power and

> > thereby it will REDUCE the power and if the power gets reduced then

that

> > planet might not be able to give death. Therefore there is a lot of

stress

> > regarding aspect of A BENEFIC (which is not necessarily natural

benefics)

> > but it can be any planet with more than 4 bindus. Yes, on the same

note,

> > GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4 bindus in their SAV, but

that

> > does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less than

4

> > bindus. So both angles get covered.

> > 3) PapaH papamadhyasthito soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from

> > lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other malefics should be

> present

> > in 6th and 8th) and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial

> > aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Same logic as above. Malefic in 7th with malefic planets in 6th

and

> > 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER aspect the planet in 7th

house,

> > thereby those malefic planets will not ADD power by their aspect to

the

> > planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in

6th

> > house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e House C therefore that will

> remove

> > one planet for giving the result. All planets in 8th house will

aspect 2nd

> > house, therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving

the

> > result. So the planet that is left can give the result :-). Again,

there

> > is the talk of aspect by benefics which u can refer to the

explanation in

> > the above point.

> > 4) PapaH Papanam vargago soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of other malefic

planets

> > and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards

it

> > then the native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Here in this law the VARGA is talked about. Here I will take /

> > consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e.

the

> > navamsa depositor. Now here I will refer to the law that I gave in

the 1st

> > point, where if any planet aspects house A, B and C, then that planet

> cannot

> > give the result, but its samdharmi will. So now, here lets assume,

Mars is

> > in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house

so

> Mars

> > itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of

another

> > malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become

> > samdharmi to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and

it

> can

> > come forward to give the result. This law is just the extension of

the

> > basic law of KAS which includes the samdharmi portion.

> > 5) PapaH mriti bhavanapatir soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th house as well, and

if

> that

> > malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> > native's wife will die.

> > Ash: If Saturn rules 7th and 8th house and is placed in 7th house,

then

> > still Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House

E or

> > 7th house which is powerful upchay or LoE. In any other case, lets

assume

> > Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th house and is placed in Sco, then

> > generally Guru as more than 4 bindus, so any planet in House D or E

i.e in

> > this case 7th or 11th house can become eager to give the result.

Again the

> > talk of aspect by benefics and that has been explained above.

> > 6) PapaH mandi raseeswaro soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of mandi as well, and if

that

> > malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

> > native's wife will die.

> > Ash: Haven't used Mandi so cannot comment on this law.

> > 7) PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th

from

> > lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that

> malefic

> > in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

native's

> wife

> > will die.

> > Ash: Here there is talk of 4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th house is 4th

from

> > 2nd house. In other words, if 2nd house is Boss then 5th house is the

> > subordinate. So 5th house lord is helper of 2nd house. Now if this

Helper

> > itself goes into 7th house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will

enhance

> > the power further. i.e. helper (5th lord) now has become more eager

> > (upchay).

> > 8) Makera gata gurur soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

> > Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th is placed in Capricorn, and if

that

> > malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the

> > native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th lord Jupiter is a

malefic)

> > Ash: There is a law in KAS which states that if 6th lord and

particularly

> > Guru (which has more than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or

their

> > lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill

the

> > spouse in the antra of Guru.

> > Second view point, is that Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th

house

> is

> > 5th from 6th i.e LoC. This Guru if its placed in 7th house then

firstly it

> > spoils the happiness of 7th house and secondly it becomes powerful

upchay

> > sthan for 2nd house i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a very malefic

Guru

> can

> > do a lot of damage by killing the spouse and reducing the happiness

of 7th

> > house. This become even more potent if Sun is also aspected by Guru.

(this

> > is not mentioned in the verse above)

> > 9) vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH

> > madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in

Scorpio,

> > and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards

it

> then

> > the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus is a

malefic)

> > Ash: Same logic as above. Venus will not aspect 2nd house being

placed in

> > 7th house therefore it can give the result of 2nd house. Venus being

> placed

> > in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can give the timing of

> event

> > and Ve being 6th lord can reduce the happiness of marital life and

that

> can

> > mean separation or death of spouse.

> > Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in

Pisces as

> > well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or

loss

> > of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be

applied to

> > all other houses as well.

> > Ash: Same logic as above.

> >

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

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Dear Manoj ji,

 

It is true but not selestively, your logic is good though. quite often it is the Dwi-kalatra Yoga, it is not Dosha it is dosha per law of the times. as polygamy in Hindus is banned, but not amoung minorities under Indian law but for other countries it will work accordance to their law, say W. asifa/gulf it is a yoga. and like your earlier reasoning the other wife's children can be in competition, but the father is same isnit it. be it Kuru family o r the Mughals same still who can lay the hand on the enitre assets not a just and divided share.Astrologically YoursB. Raja--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

It is interesting that in the Kalapurusha, indeed the 5L Sun is debilitated in 7H Libra. Similarly for Libra Asc, 5L Sat is Deb in 7H of Aries. In these two cases (for Aries and Libra Asc) this might be particularly true?

 

On the other hand it may not necessarily be true for Cancer Asc since 5L Mars will be exalted in 7H?

 

So I think you logic may be correct. May be problems from children might cause separation in such cases, especially with Aries and Libra lagna?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 9:16:54 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead to

marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

If you allow me to add that 7th house is not only partner or spouse or sex but also a maraka house and 5th is not only son or purva janma results or intelligent or creativity etc but 11th from 7th i.e. gain from partner, If 5th lord is posited in 7th, maraka it lose its gain capacity and gives lose i.e. separation. Please correct me if I am wrong.--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Some combinations that indicate the death of wife Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 9:46 AM

 

Dear Manoj ji, 5th lord in 7th causing break in marriage is a dictum given by Phaladeepika as well vide sloka "Darese sutage pranashta vanito putro adhavadheeswaro dyune va nithanoswaropi kurute patnee vinasam dhruvam". There first let us know that the combination is correcct (with all its extra conditions such as it should be devoid of benefic aspect etc). Now comes the question - why such a result, when 5th the trikona lord placed in 7th is beneficial (rajayogaprada = rajayoga providing). May be it is because - 5th lord is son; 5th lord going to 7th means Son taking the place of husband; or better robbing the importance of husband. Or in otherwords may be if such a combination is present in the chart then the children become prime importance of focus and affection and husband or wife losses his/her importance. This might be the thing that ultimately lead

to marriage break-up in such cases. This is just an effort for a logical derivation, or reason finding, for the said dictum. I would love to learn from real experience. Since I know that the dictum is true and would be present in many charts where the marriage came to an end - I would prefer to know what was the real reasons in such cases.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > // 7)        PapaH Putrastanadhipo soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. //> > I am not sure I understand this dictum 100%.

5L in 7H is shubh for the 7H isn't it? So why does ownership of 5H make this a more malefic combination? Sorry if I am missing some thing obvious here.> > Regards,> Â -Manoj

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Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

Ash's Corner [kas]

Friday August 7, 2009 1:16

AM

To:

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RE: Some combinations

that indicate the death of wife

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

This is a wonderful compilation and Kudos to your hard work

and effort.

 

I was going through this mail and when I worked out the laws

using KAS, again I found it no different and infact we get the power in a

numerical format.

 

I am going to use this hard work and translate the same into

KAS language so that it will add value to both the lists.

 

I am going to put my Translation into KAS terminology below

each law that you have given in RED.

 

In the preface I will like to point out 2 laws that are to be

used i.e basic laws of KAS

 

1) Planet aspecting

House A, B and C cannot give the result, their samdharmis can give the result.

2) A benefic planet

i.e. planet with more than 4 bindus will aspect malefically with equal power, a

Malefic planet i.e. a planet with less than 4 bindus will aspect beneficially

with power.

3) 7th

house is House E or 6th from 2nd house therefore planets

placed in House E with more points i.e. very eager to give the result. Same for LoD i.e. 11th house.

 

If these laws are applied, all the below laws fall in

line. I am detailing that below.

 

I hope it helps all.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009

1:06 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Some combinations that indicate the death of wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

There is a very popular quote that refers to some combinations that

indicate " death of wife " in Prashna Anushtana Panddhati. Prashna

Anushtana Paddhati (AD 1550 approx) is a book older than Prasnamarga, and it is

based on this very authentic text that Prasnamarga acharya created his own

work. Since the quote is from such an authentic text, and since it is very

popular, it must have been reflecting truth in numerous cases. Let us look at

the quote –

PapaH papekshito va yadi balarahitaH papamadhyasthito va

Papanam vargago va mriti bhavanapatir mandi raseeswaro va

Putrastanadhipo va makaragata gurur vrischikasthascha sukra

Kuryuste daranasam madanamupagata soumyayogekshanonaH

(Prashna Anushtana Panddhati Ch. 16. Sl. 16)

The above quote lists many major combinations. They are –

1)

PapaH papekshito

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic aspected

by another malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic

in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the

native's wife will die.

Ash: A Malefic is defined

as a planet with LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. If

a Malefic is aspected by another Malefic which is placed in 7th

house then it means that the Ashtakavarga power is going up. Say for example if Sa is in 5th

house and Mars is in 7th house both with 3 bindus each, then Saturn

will ADD +5 bindus and Mars will Add +5 bindus to 2nd house which is

the HOUSE OF DEATH OF SPOUSE i.e. 8th from 7th. Therefore Mars which is in 7th

house which is House E or 6th house

(powerful upchay) sthan for 2nd house therefore it will

become very eager to give 2nd house result, one of which is Death of

Spouse. Now second point is that, it

says that if this malefic that is placed in 7th house is DEVOID

BENEFICIAL ASPECT, here I am translating it as AN ASPECT BY A BENEFIC PLANET,

therefore a benefic is defined as a planet with more than 4 bindus, then this

place will ASPECT this malefic planet with –ve power, i.e. lets assume Guru is

in 3rd house with 6 bindus and Mercury is in 1st house

with 5 bindus, then Guru and Mercury will Aspect by -6 and -5 therefore

together they will aspect Mars in 7th house and REDUCE the power of

Mars. As per KAS, death happens in

highest power planet of the lord of 6th and 10th from the

house under focus so here we are talking about death of spouse so 2nd

house is the main house i.e. phal sthan therefore 11th and 7th

house become very eager. Therefore in

all the Shlokas 7th house is being talked about because, it is 6th

from 2nd house and its very powerful upchay sthan.

All the above is summed up

along with the exception in the total KAS power that we get and gives the NET

value in numerical format.

 

2)

PapaH yadi balarahitaH soumyayogekshanonaH

madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a weak (debilitated or combusted)

malefic is placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic in 7th

is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Same

as above. Here I would like to talk of

another KAS basic law which states that a planet when it aspects House A, B and

C i.e. here for 2nd house, A = 9th, B = 2nd

and C = 6th house then such a planet itself cannot give the result

on its own. It MAY come forward only if

its powerful samdharmi to an powerful planet which is not capable to give the

result. So it can be deputed.

Therefore,

for any planet like Su, Mo, Me, Ve all have 7th aspect only. Therefore they WILL NOT aspect 9th,

2nd or 6th house.

So each planet has the potential to give the result and in this case, it

can give the result of death of spouse.

For Mars, if its placed in 7th house, then it will aspect 2nd

house, but at the same time its mostly with less than 4 bindus so it will ADD

power to 2nd house. For

Jupiter, again it will not aspect 6th, 2nd nor 9th

house so again, Guru can become a potent killer, particularly if it has more

than 4 bindus. Shani will aspect 9th

house so it cannot give the result itself, unless it owns 7th house

or 11th house. In one law

below this is given. Again, there is

talk of Benefical aspect, then same as above point, a benefic will aspect with

malefic strength of equal power and thereby it will REDUCE the power and if the

power gets reduced then that planet might not be able to give death. Therefore there is a lot of stress regarding

aspect of A BENEFIC (which is not necessarily natural benefics) but it can be

any planet with more than 4 bindus. Yes,

on the same note, GENERALLY NATURAL BENEFICS have more than 4 bindus in their

SAV, but that does not mean that these natural benefics can never be with less

than 4 bindus. So both angles get

covered.

3)

PapaH papamadhyasthito

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, hemmed between other malefics (i.e. other

malefics should be present in 6th and 8th) and if that

malefic in 7th is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards it then

the native's wife will die.

Ash: Same logic as

above. Malefic in 7th with

malefic planets in 6th and 8th. It means that these planets can NEVER aspect

the planet in 7th house, thereby those malefic planets will not ADD

power by their aspect to the planet placed in 7th house. Second point is that if say Mars is in 6th

house, then it will aspect 9th house i.e House C therefore that will

remove one planet for giving the result.

All planets in 8th house will aspect 2nd house,

therefore those planets will also become defunt from giving the result. So the planet that is left can give the

result J. Again, there is the talk of

aspect by benefics which u can refer to the explanation in the above point.

4)

PapaH Papanam vargago

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is placed in the varga of

other malefic planets and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Here in this law the

VARGA is talked about. Here I will take

/ consider the VARGA to be NAVAMSA as we get the samdharmi from it i.e. the

navamsa depositor. Now here I will refer

to the law that I gave in the 1st point, where if any planet aspects

house A, B and C, then that planet cannot give the result, but its samdharmi

will. So now, here lets assume, Mars is

in 7th house with less than 4 bindus. So mars will aspect 2nd house so

Mars itself cannot give, but if this mars is placed in the navamsa of another

malefic planet which is adding power to Mars, then Mars will become samdharmi

to the malefic planets navamsa lord that its placed in and it can come forward

to give the result. This law is just the

extension of the basic law of KAS which includes the samdharmi portion.

5)

PapaH mriti bhavanapatir

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the lord of the 8th

house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: If Saturn rules 7th

and 8th house and is placed in 7th house, then still

Saturn can give the result as it will become the lord of House E or 7th

house which is powerful upchay or LoE.

In any other case, lets assume Jupiter is lord of Sag which is 8th

house and is placed in Sco, then generally Guru as more than 4 bindus, so any

planet in House D or E i.e in this case 7th or 11th house

can become eager to give the result.

Again the talk of aspect by benefics and that has been explained

above.

6)

PapaH mandi raseeswaro

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is

placed in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is the depositor of

mandi as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Haven’t used Mandi so

cannot comment on this law.

7)

PapaH Putrastanadhipo

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If a malefic is placed

in 7th from lagna, and if that malefic is lord of 5th

house as well, and if that malefic in 7th is devoid of any

beneficial aspect towards it then the native's wife will die.

Ash: Here there is talk of

4:10 or parasparakaraka. 5th

house is 4th from 2nd house. In other words, if 2nd house is

Boss then 5th house is the subordinate. So 5th house lord is helper of 2nd

house. Now if this Helper itself goes

into 7th house i.e. powerful upchay sthan then it will enhance the

power further. i.e. helper (5th

lord) now has become more eager (upchay).

 

8)

Makera gata gurur

soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata Kuryuste daranasam = If Jupiter in 7th

is placed in Capricorn, and if that malefic Jupiter is devoid of any beneficial

aspect towards it then the native's wife will die. (For cancer lagna 6th

lord Jupiter is a malefic)

Ash: There is a law in KAS

which states that if 6th lord and particularly Guru (which has more

than 4 bindus) aspects 2nd house / 7th house or their

lords (to be checked in both Rasi and Navamsa) then this might kill the spouse

in the antra of Guru.

Second view point, is that

Guru is 6th lord and for 2nd house, 6th house

is 5th from 6th i.e LoC.

This Guru if its placed in 7th house then firstly it spoils

the happiness of 7th house and secondly it becomes powerful upchay

sthan for 2nd house i.e. death of spouse. Therefore a very malefic Guru can do a lot of

damage by killing the spouse and reducing the happiness of 7th

house. This become even more potent if

Sun is also aspected by Guru. (this is not mentioned in the verse above)

9)

vrischikasthascha sukra soumyayogekshanonaH madanamupagata

Kuryuste daranasam = If Venus in 7th is placed in

Scorpio, and if that malefic venus is devoid of any beneficial aspect towards

it then the native's wife will die. (For Taurus lagna 6th lord Venus

is a malefic)

Ash: Same logic as

above. Venus will not aspect 2nd

house being placed in 7th house therefore it can give the result of

2nd house. Venus being placed

in 7th house is in upchay sthan for 2nd and it can give

the timing of event and Ve being 6th lord can reduce the happiness

of marital life and that can mean separation or death of spouse.

Similar combination applies for Mercury in Taurus and Saturn in Pisces

as well. These are all some combinations that indicate definite death or

loss of wife. Learn them clearly, also because, similar logic can be applied to

all other houses as well.

Ash: Same logic as

above.

 

 

Love and regards,

Sreenadh