what lagna should be taken for prediction if lagna of 00:01 degree

July 13, 2009

Dear Mr. Vinothi ji,

Your message that some part of your message or full message has been

withheld - is incorrect. Irrespective of which Moderator has active

at that moment, we have a set of practises, which are PRIVATE and NOT

SHARED with group members, based on which it is easy for us to identify

or judge the correctness of the such - missing or edited statements.

In all fairness, let me conclude here once for all - that your message

has NOT been recieved by us. Hence, there is NO question of it being

moderated by any Moderator.

We have inpast shared many instances, where behaved erractically

and some group member messages were indeed went into black

hole....include those of key contributors like Mr. Suni Nair & Ms.

Neelam.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

July 13, 2009

Dear sreeramji

Thanks for looking into the matter.In fact this matter was clarified yesterday

night itself when sreenadhji and Neelamji confirmed the same matter .I have also

written about this to your email id when you made an offline query this morning

regards

vinoth

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Vinothi ji,

>

> Your message that some part of your message or full message has been

> withheld - is incorrect. Irrespective of which Moderator has active

> at that moment, we have a set of practises, which are PRIVATE and NOT

> SHARED with group members, based on which it is easy for us to identify

> or judge the correctness of the such - missing or edited statements.

>

> In all fairness, let me conclude here once for all - that your message

> has NOT been recieved by us. Hence, there is NO question of it being

> moderated by any Moderator.

>

> We have inpast shared many instances, where behaved erractically

> and some group member messages were indeed went into black

> hole....include those of key contributors like Mr. Suni Nair & Ms.

> Neelam.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Moderators and Friends,

This is too much.

This chap is taking too much advantage in garb of being innocent as a

" newcomer but talking in a reprimanding and preaching manner snce the

start.

When the matter has been closed bySreenadhji, why is he continously

harping with his broken unmelodious tunes which do not produce audible

sounds, rather the crackling groans of those found in the limited

confinements of a well.

He is blaming the Managment for not having approved his mail of

introduction. I ask you people why is he not able to write another one ?

Are the achievemnts to his credit so long that they would take 48 hours

and Pages to write ?

He is speaking on behalf of the newcomers. This means that he accepts he

is one. Therefore if he is one, then why did he let out a big and Huge

cry when asked for the intro. This should have actually been done when

he posted the Quiz itself, but giving respect to a unknown entity has

proved to be a bane for us.

He says that everyone here wants to discuss astrology. But that is what

everybody is doing, except himself. Where is the astrological discussion

coming from him. Why these shrill rough tones coming from a broken

outdated Banjo player is given to us ?

Read my first mail to him requesting him for introduction. It was

written in the most polite manner. But I knew his real identity which is

why he got another mail from me after 2 hours which was not so polite.

I know he has not spent even 6 months in astrology but just a few months

and not even seen 27 rainy seasons but talking in a audacious tones with

elders. At the same time we are not here for discouraging these new

comers but this does not give them the right to brush us off or talk in

a derogatory manner with the old (In this Group) members. They talk rot

that being young does not signify the barometer for knoweldge in

astrology or otherwise. I ask are these people Shankaracharyas or Swami

Vivekanands that their young age has got this same intelligent calibres

which these great men have ?

On what basis they say that " Age or junior senior does not matter ????

In Astrology especially a person with more age has understandably a

better experience. We are now talking in general. But this chap is

trying to say that he is from those exclusive young who though may be

less by age, yet they are smart.

Where is the smartness? I have not seen any. Where is the tarka-kutarka?

I have not seen any coming from this member. He is just hitting the

phata hua dhol continously and made the issue of Bhaskar asking for his

intro, as the only agenda since his last 50 mails, which has spoilt the

current of this astrology group.

Debate between senior or junior does not matter I agree, but with whom

to debate ? With strangers ? With those who know nothing about astrology

? yet they demand thatwe must discuss with them ? And what to discuss ?

This nonsense agenda in every mail ? He has nothing sense to talk of and

may be without work or a free Computer or Internet and free food coming

from the family. But why are we made to waste our time continously on

this stupid issue ? This stupid thread would not have been created had

he in the first case introduced himself. But he choose to make it as a

prestige issue. With so much EGO, and stpuid Narcisstic Love for

oneself, how can one progress in Life ?

Debate if you can , but dont waste time of thers. If ashamed to give

your introduction then say so. But at least allow the members to know

your experience in astrology. And dont use this sentence like a womens

veil to defend your inaction or lack of proper course of action in this

Group. " Age does not matter in knowledge " .

I hope Sreenadhjis words are respected and no more further derogatory

remarks or references are made to the past thread.

regards/Bhaskar.

, Vinothkumar Md

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear sreenadhji

>

> clarification

>

> I have posted only 1 quiz so far in this group and it was also after

one of the member in this group requested me to post a chart of a person

involved in accident.

> The quiz was also regarding analysis of an event (accident)which

occured in the past and did not seek any predictions for future.

>

> Most of the newcomers will be happy to share their identity if "

requested " and not " commanded by handing them over 2 hrs time to

introduce themselves " .After seeing what is going on for past few days

where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without

provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity.

> everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses

astrology credentials.

>

> In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate

takes place keeping astrology in front.

>

> regards

>

> vintoh

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Monday, July 13, 2009 2:16:57 PM

> Re: what lagna should be taken for

prediction if lagna of 00:01 degree

Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Just clarifying -

>

> I ask for introduction only when I feel some potential is there in the

> Poster, which could enable me to discuss freely and without any

> suspicions or fears that some senior astrologer CEO from another forum

> ha not taken any new id and now trying to make things difficult here.

> Also the astrological experience and qualifications is only requested

> for so that we know the levels of the poster, before we initiate any

> astrological discussions of some grave nature, or intensify our

detailed

> explanations or arguments, if we know the astrological level of the

> poster. This is only requested for free flow of thoughts and sharing

> ones inputs. Again this helps when someone puts a quiz, so that we

know

> he is a genuine person and not looking for predictions on himself or

his

> family member. Just helps one to be either " Cautious " or " Free " while

> communicating.

>

> Of course like you said anonymousity is to be respected and we must

not

> ask for too many personal details, which are not required.

>

> Love and hugs,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji and Vinoth Kumar ji,

> > Let me intrude here with my half baked idea about the whole

> > situation. I am yet to read the posts and is yet to have a gist of

> what

> > is going on. But I have the following points to share -

> > * I agree with Neelam ji 100% on what she states below.

> > * Vinoth Kumar ji states that he introduced himself in an earlier

mail

> > and that the moderators didn't allow it. Since there are multiple

> > moderators in this group, I am not sure about the truth of that

> > statement - some moderator may or may not have approved that mail; I

> > need to check with the moderators to know the truth of that

statement

> > and so leave it aside as of now. Anyway as of now there is no

pending

> > mails in the groups pending mails section, I can assure. If some

post

> > was on hold by the moderators, or didn't appear in the group pending

> > section itself due to some bug - then no more it is present

> there.

> > Now coming to the introducing part, I disagree with Bhaskar ji and

> > don't believe that introducing one self is required in such

> forums

> > and anonymity should be respected. Of course I agree that knowing

the

> > person we are talking to makes the communication better fruitful,

but

> > that cannot be demanded. Further there could be backdoors if

required

> > for collecting the info (which may or maynot lead to correct info)

> even

> > if some one is reluctant to share it. For example a simple google

> > search with the words " Vinoth Kumar M D " brings in the following

info

> -

> > " Vinoth Kumar MD. Gender, : Male. Age, : 23. Nationality, : Indian.

> > Location, : Chennai, India " . Now this info could be true or fals -

but

> > why should one be bothered? What age has to do with knowledge at

all?

> Is

> > it not one of the advantages of forums that we can talk to

> anyone

> > as equals without being bothered about age at all? It seems that

both

> > Bhaskar ji and Vinoth has a point - and we should take the positive

> side

> > of their argument only, without making it personal at all.

> > * Now coming to blind chart reading etc - a single reading proves

> > nothing. Only such numerous quizzes and continuous evaluation can

> prove

> > the credibility of individuals. I request Vinoth ji to search the

> > archives to find such info and understand that Neelam ji, Sunil Nair

> ji,

> > Bhaskar ji etc had proved their capability in realistic and reliable

> > prediction numerous times. Error one or times DOES NOT bring down

> their

> > reputation but only reveals their sincerity and dedication to the

> > subject. Please don't commit the immature and unscientific mistake

of

> > drawing conclusions based on single example/observation .

> > Note: I request a stop war fire. I hope we can continue with

> > knowledge sharing instead of raising out cobra heads.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinothkumar ji,

> > >

> > > //i am reiterating my point stated earlier that there is no use

> > debating on

> > > future predictions on the basis of astrological points.//

> > >

> > > I guess the whole point is lost here. The debate is/was not at all

> > about

> > > future predictions or who proves to be correct, etc.

> > > The debate was essentially about justifying the technique being

used

> > for

> > > making a prediction.

> > >

> > > The point is about correctness of application of astrological

> > principles and

> > > not the correctness of prediction I think.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Moderators and friends

based on sreenadhji comments i have refrained from making any comments but

issuing only clarifications when i am referred .

It is a cup of cake for me to write a reply for this particular post but i dont

want to do as i dont have the habit of questions raised on assumptions where the

truth is offset by a large degree.

I dont have the habit of using harsh words or making personal comments also.

I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group like

this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs,even if

my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame

or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by unnecesary words.Rather i

would ignore it

Regards

vinoth

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Moderators and Friends,

>

> This is too much.

>

> This chap is taking too much advantage in garb of being innocent as a

> " newcomer but talking in a reprimanding and preaching manner snce the

> start.

>

> When the matter has been closed bySreenadhji, why is he continously

> harping with his broken unmelodious tunes which do not produce audible

> sounds, rather the crackling groans of those found in the limited

> confinements of a well.

>

> He is blaming the Managment for not having approved his mail of

> introduction. I ask you people why is he not able to write another one ?

> Are the achievemnts to his credit so long that they would take 48 hours

> and Pages to write ?

>

> He is speaking on behalf of the newcomers. This means that he accepts he

> is one. Therefore if he is one, then why did he let out a big and Huge

> cry when asked for the intro. This should have actually been done when

> he posted the Quiz itself, but giving respect to a unknown entity has

> proved to be a bane for us.

>

> He says that everyone here wants to discuss astrology. But that is what

> everybody is doing, except himself. Where is the astrological discussion

> coming from him. Why these shrill rough tones coming from a broken

> outdated Banjo player is given to us ?

>

> Read my first mail to him requesting him for introduction. It was

> written in the most polite manner. But I knew his real identity which is

> why he got another mail from me after 2 hours which was not so polite.

> I know he has not spent even 6 months in astrology but just a few months

> and not even seen 27 rainy seasons but talking in a audacious tones with

> elders. At the same time we are not here for discouraging these new

> comers but this does not give them the right to brush us off or talk in

> a derogatory manner with the old (In this Group) members. They talk rot

> that being young does not signify the barometer for knoweldge in

> astrology or otherwise. I ask are these people Shankaracharyas or Swami

> Vivekanands that their young age has got this same intelligent calibres

> which these great men have ?

>

> On what basis they say that " Age or junior senior does not matter ????

>

> In Astrology especially a person with more age has understandably a

> better experience. We are now talking in general. But this chap is

> trying to say that he is from those exclusive young who though may be

> less by age, yet they are smart.

>

> Where is the smartness? I have not seen any. Where is the tarka-kutarka?

> I have not seen any coming from this member. He is just hitting the

> phata hua dhol continously and made the issue of Bhaskar asking for his

> intro, as the only agenda since his last 50 mails, which has spoilt the

> current of this astrology group.

>

> Debate between senior or junior does not matter I agree, but with whom

> to debate ? With strangers ? With those who know nothing about astrology

> ? yet they demand thatwe must discuss with them ? And what to discuss ?

> This nonsense agenda in every mail ? He has nothing sense to talk of and

> may be without work or a free Computer or Internet and free food coming

> from the family. But why are we made to waste our time continously on

> this stupid issue ? This stupid thread would not have been created had

> he in the first case introduced himself. But he choose to make it as a

> prestige issue. With so much EGO, and stpuid Narcisstic Love for

> oneself, how can one progress in Life ?

>

> Debate if you can , but dont waste time of thers. If ashamed to give

> your introduction then say so. But at least allow the members to know

> your experience in astrology. And dont use this sentence like a womens

> veil to defend your inaction or lack of proper course of action in this

> Group. " Age does not matter in knowledge " .

>

> I hope Sreenadhjis words are respected and no more further derogatory

> remarks or references are made to the past thread.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , Vinothkumar Md

> <vinothkumarmd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear sreenadhji

> >

> > clarification

> >

> > I have posted only 1 quiz so far in this group and it was also after

> one of the member in this group requested me to post a chart of a person

> involved in accident.

> > The quiz was also regarding analysis of an event (accident)which

> occured in the past and did not seek any predictions for future.

> >

> > Most of the newcomers will be happy to share their identity if "

> requested " and not " commanded by handing them over 2 hrs time to

> introduce themselves " .After seeing what is going on for past few days

> where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without

> provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity.

> > everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses

> astrology credentials.

> >

> > In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate

> takes place keeping astrology in front.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > vintoh

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> >

> > Monday, July 13, 2009 2:16:57 PM

> > Re: what lagna should be taken for

> prediction if lagna of 00:01 degree

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > Just clarifying -

> >

> > I ask for introduction only when I feel some potential is there in the

> > Poster, which could enable me to discuss freely and without any

> > suspicions or fears that some senior astrologer CEO from another forum

> > ha not taken any new id and now trying to make things difficult here.

> > Also the astrological experience and qualifications is only requested

> > for so that we know the levels of the poster, before we initiate any

> > astrological discussions of some grave nature, or intensify our

> detailed

> > explanations or arguments, if we know the astrological level of the

> > poster. This is only requested for free flow of thoughts and sharing

> > ones inputs. Again this helps when someone puts a quiz, so that we

> know

> > he is a genuine person and not looking for predictions on himself or

> his

> > family member. Just helps one to be either " Cautious " or " Free " while

> > communicating.

> >

> > Of course like you said anonymousity is to be respected and we must

> not

> > ask for too many personal details, which are not required.

> >

> > Love and hugs,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji and Vinoth Kumar ji,

> > > Let me intrude here with my half baked idea about the whole

> > > situation. I am yet to read the posts and is yet to have a gist of

> > what

> > > is going on. But I have the following points to share -

> > > * I agree with Neelam ji 100% on what she states below.

> > > * Vinoth Kumar ji states that he introduced himself in an earlier

> mail

> > > and that the moderators didn't allow it. Since there are multiple

> > > moderators in this group, I am not sure about the truth of that

> > > statement - some moderator may or may not have approved that mail; I

> > > need to check with the moderators to know the truth of that

> statement

> > > and so leave it aside as of now. Anyway as of now there is no

> pending

> > > mails in the groups pending mails section, I can assure. If some

> post

> > > was on hold by the moderators, or didn't appear in the group pending

> > > section itself due to some bug - then no more it is present

> > there.

> > > Now coming to the introducing part, I disagree with Bhaskar ji and

> > > don't believe that introducing one self is required in such

> > forums

> > > and anonymity should be respected. Of course I agree that knowing

> the

> > > person we are talking to makes the communication better fruitful,

> but

> > > that cannot be demanded. Further there could be backdoors if

> required

> > > for collecting the info (which may or maynot lead to correct info)

> > even

> > > if some one is reluctant to share it. For example a simple google

> > > search with the words " Vinoth Kumar M D " brings in the following

> info

> > -

> > > " Vinoth Kumar MD. Gender, : Male. Age, : 23. Nationality, : Indian.

> > > Location, : Chennai, India " . Now this info could be true or fals -

> but

> > > why should one be bothered? What age has to do with knowledge at

> all?

> > Is

> > > it not one of the advantages of forums that we can talk to

> > anyone

> > > as equals without being bothered about age at all? It seems that

> both

> > > Bhaskar ji and Vinoth has a point - and we should take the positive

> > side

> > > of their argument only, without making it personal at all.

> > > * Now coming to blind chart reading etc - a single reading proves

> > > nothing. Only such numerous quizzes and continuous evaluation can

> > prove

> > > the credibility of individuals. I request Vinoth ji to search the

> > > archives to find such info and understand that Neelam ji, Sunil Nair

> > ji,

> > > Bhaskar ji etc had proved their capability in realistic and reliable

> > > prediction numerous times. Error one or times DOES NOT bring down

> > their

> > > reputation but only reveals their sincerity and dedication to the

> > > subject. Please don't commit the immature and unscientific mistake

> of

> > > drawing conclusions based on single example/observation .

> > > Note: I request a stop war fire. I hope we can continue with

> > > knowledge sharing instead of raising out cobra heads.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinothkumar ji,

> > > >

> > > > //i am reiterating my point stated earlier that there is no use

> > > debating on

> > > > future predictions on the basis of astrological points.//

> > > >

> > > > I guess the whole point is lost here. The debate is/was not at all

> > > about

> > > > future predictions or who proves to be correct, etc.

> > > > The debate was essentially about justifying the technique being

> used

> > > for

> > > > making a prediction.

> > > >

> > > > The point is about correctness of application of astrological

> > > principles and

> > > > not the correctness of prediction I think.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Vinothkumar ji,//I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.//

I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to introduce yourself? Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we’ve shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does not take very long for people to know our worth!

Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of course.:-)Neelam

July 13, 2009

Dear neelamji

" Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction which you

might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does not take very

long for people to know our worth! "

i agree with this point.astrological writings show the identity of the person

and that is what group members are here for. nothing else is important.

Sreenadhji also has opined that Anonymity should be respected for the same

" whatever reasons " you have mentioned.I would be happy if other fellow members

also consider your above point .

regards

vinoth

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vinothkumar ji,

>

> //I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group

> like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs,

> even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you

> call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by

> unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.//

>

> I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in

> continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to

> introduce yourself?

>

> Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we've

> shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning

> and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for

> us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction

> which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does

> not take very long for people to know our worth!

>

> Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of

> course.:-)

>

> Neelam

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Neelamji

" I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in

continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to

introduce yourself? "

I have to answer this question which was your assumption.I had never mentioned

that i was ashamed to introduce myself.Please read my post again .

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vinothkumar ji,

>

> //I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group

> like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs,

> even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you

> call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by

> unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.//

>

> I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in

> continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to

> introduce yourself?

>

> Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we've

> shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning

> and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for

> us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction

> which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does

> not take very long for people to know our worth!

>

> Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of

> course.:-)

>

> Neelam

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Vinoth ji,//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive

commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is

asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or

cowardice.//Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this statement, it clearly means that:You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with! Which is what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share and explore.:-)

RegardsNeelam

July 13, 2009

Dear NeelamJi

Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that

this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i

have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there

can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence

the decision.

I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " .After

joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of

SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on

authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems

of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century .

I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt

ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole

meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light.

i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated.

regards

vinoth

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vinoth ji,

>

> *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive

> commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked

> 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//*

>

> Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this

> statement, it clearly means that:

>

> *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is

> what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

>

> What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place

> (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye.

>

> However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share

> and explore.:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Folks,

This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same

game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to

remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the

victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create

partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons

Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji.

they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back

in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this

member is bad " .

He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of

hate and evil intentions.

beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in

the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already

succeded partly.

Bhaskar.

, " vinothkumarmd "

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear NeelamJi

>

> Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm

that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of

1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a

chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may

crop up in later time.Hence the decision.

>

> I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology "

..After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of

SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based

only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and

not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th

century .

>

> I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i

felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the

whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different

light.

>

> i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated.

>

> regards

>

> vinoth

>

> , neelam gupta

neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinoth ji,

> >

> > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal

abusive

> > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction

is asked

> > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or

cowardice.//*

> >

> > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read

this

> > statement, it clearly means that:

> >

> > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!*

Which is

> > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

> >

> > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a

place

> > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets

our eye.

> >

> > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to

share

> > and explore.:-)

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Dear Vinoth ji,I am sorry to say that you still do not understand what I meant to say.You've amply made clear, and I understand that you are here to learn *ancient astrology* and are not bothered with 19/20th century systems (though they are solidly based only on ancient systems and if they were not in place, we wouldn't have been here).

There are two ways of taking advantage of any environment you decide to walk into (which you will be doing even though you do not feel that the group is worth it).One remains a silent observer and does not interfere in the proceedings but tries to grasp what is being offered without being judgmental about the environment. Nothing in this situation, gives you a right to point fingers at what the group is.

orOne tries to prove one's worth and shares his knowledge which then becomes a give and take system and in that situation you become concerned and share your concerns rightfully about the group.It is no point dragging the discussion. Even if you don't get my point or agree to it :-)

RegardsNeelam2009/7/13 vinothkumarmd <vinothkumarmd

Dear NeelamJi

Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision.

I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century .

I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light.

i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated.

regards

vinoth

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vinoth ji,

>

> *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive

> commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked

> 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//*

>

> Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this

> statement, it clearly means that:

>

> *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is

> what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

>

> What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place

> (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye.

>

> However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share

> and explore.:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

July 13, 2009

Dear group

Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I

dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group

currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you .

I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji

and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the

group " ancient indian astrology "

suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting "

authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i

already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me

to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the

test of ages.I am very clear in my point that " ancient indian astrology " is what

matters to me

regards

vinoth

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Folks,

>

> This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same

> game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to

> remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the

> victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create

> partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons

> Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji.

>

> they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back

> in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this

> member is bad " .

>

> He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of

> hate and evil intentions.

>

> beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in

> the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already

> succeded partly.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " vinothkumarmd@ "

> <vinothkumarmd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear NeelamJi

> >

> > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm

> that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of

> 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a

> chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may

> crop up in later time.Hence the decision.

> >

> > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology "

> .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of

> SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based

> only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and

> not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th

> century .

> >

> > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i

> felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the

> whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different

> light.

> >

> > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > vinoth

> >

> > , neelam gupta

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinoth ji,

> > >

> > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal

> abusive

> > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction

> is asked

> > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or

> cowardice.//*

> > >

> > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read

> this

> > > statement, it clearly means that:

> > >

> > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!*

> Which is

> > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a

> place

> > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets

> our eye.

> > >

> > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to

> share

> > > and explore.:-)

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Dear members,

This new member Vinothkumarji who has not introduced himself, his

identity including his age, profession, astrological experience,

genuinity by contact numbers etc., obviously referring to me has

mentioned -

// Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will

reaffirm that

this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1

Member i

have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that

there

can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later

time.Hence the decision.//

If You feel that he will be able to contribute better here, in my

absence, and the Group will become a better place without me being

present, I shall leave immediately. And do not worry about me. I am too

occupied with 2 Big websites doing professional work, and it is only for

the love of astrology that I write here in this Group. I am also under

negotiations to link with further prime websites , and need no

promotion here or image-making. You know I speak rough and rude to put

forth my points and never to build any image. So if the

owner/Moderators/members wish me to relieve me from here, I will gladly

do so and spend full time on my profession which brings money home to my

family. Though I would love to be here since this is the only Group

where I write regularly and will miss it, but cannot stay here under

constraints and restraints from unknown identities who wish to rub me

the wrong way.

Bhaskar.

, " vinothkumarmd "

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear NeelamJi

>

> Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm

that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of

1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a

chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may

crop up in later time.Hence the decision.

>

> I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology "

..After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of

SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based

only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and

not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th

century .

>

> I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i

felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the

whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different

light.

>

> i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated.

>

> regards

>

> vinoth

>

> , neelam gupta

neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinoth ji,

> >

> > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal

abusive

> > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction

is asked

> > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or

cowardice.//*

> >

> > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read

this

> > statement, it clearly means that:

> >

> > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!*

Which is

> > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side.

> >

> > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a

place

> > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets

our eye.

> >

> > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to

share

> > and explore.:-)

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Please ask him who is looking for praise from unknown persons here in

this Group ?

What does he mean by " newer systems of astrology " ?

Does he know about astrology at all ? Is yes, then why does he not talk

about astrology, but everything else ?

Ask him to clarify the meaning of " newer systems of astrology " , and see

how i discuss with him, and let the members watch the argument. Let him

try to prove through tarka and kutarka what is the meaning of newer

systems of astrology and the older systems of astrology ?

Is this not a discussion Group ? Then why fear from discussion ? C'mon

start the discussion though you have not introduced yourself, I will

prove to the Group, what category you fall into.

Though I do not know whether you are worthy of discussing with me or

not, but I will discuss. I know very well you have nothing to offer.

C'mon start discussing on the above points.

I challenge you.

Bhaskar.

, " vinothkumarmd "

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear group

>

> Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this

group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my

membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses

from you .

>

> I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out

Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient

references as the name of the group " ancient indian astrology "

> suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are

quoting " authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to

this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the

same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of

astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my

point that " ancient indian astrology " is what matters to me

>

> regards

>

> vinoth

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Folks,

> >

> > This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the

same

> > game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such

mails to

> > remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be

the

> > victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create

> > partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right

persons

> > Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji.

> >

> > they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit

back

> > in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but

this

> > member is bad " .

> >

> > He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of

> > hate and evil intentions.

> >

> > beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall

in

> > the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has

already

> > succeded partly.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vinothkumarmd@ "

> > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear NeelamJi

> > >

> > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will

reaffirm

> > that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because

of

> > 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is

a

> > chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who

may

> > crop up in later time.Hence the decision.

> > >

> > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian

astrology "

> > .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings

of

> > SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are

based

> > only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests

and

> > not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and

20th

> > century .

> > >

> > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i

> > felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed

the

> > whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in

different

> > light.

> > >

> > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or

misrepresentated.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > vinoth

> > >

> > > , neelam gupta

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinoth ji,

> > > >

> > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where

personal

> > abusive

> > > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my

introduction

> > is asked

> > > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or

> > cowardice.//*

> > > >

> > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may

read

> > this

> > > > statement, it clearly means that:

> > > >

> > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity

with!*

> > Which is

> > > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either

side.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental

about a

> > place

> > > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what

meets

> > our eye.

> > > >

> > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave

you to

> > share

> > > > and explore.:-)

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 13, 2009

Dear friends,

//Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this

group//

He is trying to suggest to the Owner/Moderators, exactly that only by

saying that in this group of ancient astrology people are coming with

newer systems.

This fellow is trying to act too smart for his boots, and creating

discords here. He is not interested in doing astrology but has other

agendas in his mind.