Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Mr. Vinothi ji, Your message that some part of your message or full message has been withheld - is incorrect. Irrespective of which Moderator has active at that moment, we have a set of practises, which are PRIVATE and NOT SHARED with group members, based on which it is easy for us to identify or judge the correctness of the such - missing or edited statements. In all fairness, let me conclude here once for all - that your message has NOT been recieved by us. Hence, there is NO question of it being moderated by any Moderator. We have inpast shared many instances, where behaved erractically and some group member messages were indeed went into black hole....include those of key contributors like Mr. Suni Nair & Ms. Neelam. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear sreeramji Thanks for looking into the matter.In fact this matter was clarified yesterday night itself when sreenadhji and Neelamji confirmed the same matter .I have also written about this to your email id when you made an offline query this morning regards vinoth , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Vinothi ji, > > Your message that some part of your message or full message has been > withheld - is incorrect. Irrespective of which Moderator has active > at that moment, we have a set of practises, which are PRIVATE and NOT > SHARED with group members, based on which it is easy for us to identify > or judge the correctness of the such - missing or edited statements. > > In all fairness, let me conclude here once for all - that your message > has NOT been recieved by us. Hence, there is NO question of it being > moderated by any Moderator. > > We have inpast shared many instances, where behaved erractically > and some group member messages were indeed went into black > hole....include those of key contributors like Mr. Suni Nair & Ms. > Neelam. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Moderators and Friends, This is too much. This chap is taking too much advantage in garb of being innocent as a " newcomer but talking in a reprimanding and preaching manner snce the start. When the matter has been closed bySreenadhji, why is he continously harping with his broken unmelodious tunes which do not produce audible sounds, rather the crackling groans of those found in the limited confinements of a well. He is blaming the Managment for not having approved his mail of introduction. I ask you people why is he not able to write another one ? Are the achievemnts to his credit so long that they would take 48 hours and Pages to write ? He is speaking on behalf of the newcomers. This means that he accepts he is one. Therefore if he is one, then why did he let out a big and Huge cry when asked for the intro. This should have actually been done when he posted the Quiz itself, but giving respect to a unknown entity has proved to be a bane for us. He says that everyone here wants to discuss astrology. But that is what everybody is doing, except himself. Where is the astrological discussion coming from him. Why these shrill rough tones coming from a broken outdated Banjo player is given to us ? Read my first mail to him requesting him for introduction. It was written in the most polite manner. But I knew his real identity which is why he got another mail from me after 2 hours which was not so polite. I know he has not spent even 6 months in astrology but just a few months and not even seen 27 rainy seasons but talking in a audacious tones with elders. At the same time we are not here for discouraging these new comers but this does not give them the right to brush us off or talk in a derogatory manner with the old (In this Group) members. They talk rot that being young does not signify the barometer for knoweldge in astrology or otherwise. I ask are these people Shankaracharyas or Swami Vivekanands that their young age has got this same intelligent calibres which these great men have ? On what basis they say that " Age or junior senior does not matter ???? In Astrology especially a person with more age has understandably a better experience. We are now talking in general. But this chap is trying to say that he is from those exclusive young who though may be less by age, yet they are smart. Where is the smartness? I have not seen any. Where is the tarka-kutarka? I have not seen any coming from this member. He is just hitting the phata hua dhol continously and made the issue of Bhaskar asking for his intro, as the only agenda since his last 50 mails, which has spoilt the current of this astrology group. Debate between senior or junior does not matter I agree, but with whom to debate ? With strangers ? With those who know nothing about astrology ? yet they demand thatwe must discuss with them ? And what to discuss ? This nonsense agenda in every mail ? He has nothing sense to talk of and may be without work or a free Computer or Internet and free food coming from the family. But why are we made to waste our time continously on this stupid issue ? This stupid thread would not have been created had he in the first case introduced himself. But he choose to make it as a prestige issue. With so much EGO, and stpuid Narcisstic Love for oneself, how can one progress in Life ? Debate if you can , but dont waste time of thers. If ashamed to give your introduction then say so. But at least allow the members to know your experience in astrology. And dont use this sentence like a womens veil to defend your inaction or lack of proper course of action in this Group. " Age does not matter in knowledge " . I hope Sreenadhjis words are respected and no more further derogatory remarks or references are made to the past thread. regards/Bhaskar. , Vinothkumar Md <vinothkumarmd wrote: > > Dear sreenadhji > > clarification > > I have posted only 1 quiz so far in this group and it was also after one of the member in this group requested me to post a chart of a person involved in accident. > The quiz was also regarding analysis of an event (accident)which occured in the past and did not seek any predictions for future. > > Most of the newcomers will be happy to share their identity if " requested " and not " commanded by handing them over 2 hrs time to introduce themselves " .After seeing what is going on for past few days where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity. > everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses astrology credentials. > > In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate takes place keeping astrology in front. > > regards > > vintoh > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Monday, July 13, 2009 2:16:57 PM > Re: what lagna should be taken for prediction if lagna of 00:01 degree Dear Sreenadhji, > > Just clarifying - > > I ask for introduction only when I feel some potential is there in the > Poster, which could enable me to discuss freely and without any > suspicions or fears that some senior astrologer CEO from another forum > ha not taken any new id and now trying to make things difficult here. > Also the astrological experience and qualifications is only requested > for so that we know the levels of the poster, before we initiate any > astrological discussions of some grave nature, or intensify our detailed > explanations or arguments, if we know the astrological level of the > poster. This is only requested for free flow of thoughts and sharing > ones inputs. Again this helps when someone puts a quiz, so that we know > he is a genuine person and not looking for predictions on himself or his > family member. Just helps one to be either " Cautious " or " Free " while > communicating. > > Of course like you said anonymousity is to be respected and we must not > ask for too many personal details, which are not required. > > Love and hugs, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji and Vinoth Kumar ji, > > Let me intrude here with my half baked idea about the whole > > situation. I am yet to read the posts and is yet to have a gist of > what > > is going on. But I have the following points to share - > > * I agree with Neelam ji 100% on what she states below. > > * Vinoth Kumar ji states that he introduced himself in an earlier mail > > and that the moderators didn't allow it. Since there are multiple > > moderators in this group, I am not sure about the truth of that > > statement - some moderator may or may not have approved that mail; I > > need to check with the moderators to know the truth of that statement > > and so leave it aside as of now. Anyway as of now there is no pending > > mails in the groups pending mails section, I can assure. If some post > > was on hold by the moderators, or didn't appear in the group pending > > section itself due to some bug - then no more it is present > there. > > Now coming to the introducing part, I disagree with Bhaskar ji and > > don't believe that introducing one self is required in such > forums > > and anonymity should be respected. Of course I agree that knowing the > > person we are talking to makes the communication better fruitful, but > > that cannot be demanded. Further there could be backdoors if required > > for collecting the info (which may or maynot lead to correct info) > even > > if some one is reluctant to share it. For example a simple google > > search with the words " Vinoth Kumar M D " brings in the following info > - > > " Vinoth Kumar MD. Gender, : Male. Age, : 23. Nationality, : Indian. > > Location, : Chennai, India " . Now this info could be true or fals - but > > why should one be bothered? What age has to do with knowledge at all? > Is > > it not one of the advantages of forums that we can talk to > anyone > > as equals without being bothered about age at all? It seems that both > > Bhaskar ji and Vinoth has a point - and we should take the positive > side > > of their argument only, without making it personal at all. > > * Now coming to blind chart reading etc - a single reading proves > > nothing. Only such numerous quizzes and continuous evaluation can > prove > > the credibility of individuals. I request Vinoth ji to search the > > archives to find such info and understand that Neelam ji, Sunil Nair > ji, > > Bhaskar ji etc had proved their capability in realistic and reliable > > prediction numerous times. Error one or times DOES NOT bring down > their > > reputation but only reveals their sincerity and dedication to the > > subject. Please don't commit the immature and unscientific mistake of > > drawing conclusions based on single example/observation . > > Note: I request a stop war fire. I hope we can continue with > > knowledge sharing instead of raising out cobra heads. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinothkumar ji, > > > > > > //i am reiterating my point stated earlier that there is no use > > debating on > > > future predictions on the basis of astrological points.// > > > > > > I guess the whole point is lost here. The debate is/was not at all > > about > > > future predictions or who proves to be correct, etc. > > > The debate was essentially about justifying the technique being used > > for > > > making a prediction. > > > > > > The point is about correctness of application of astrological > > principles and > > > not the correctness of prediction I think. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Moderators and friends based on sreenadhji comments i have refrained from making any comments but issuing only clarifications when i am referred . It is a cup of cake for me to write a reply for this particular post but i dont want to do as i dont have the habit of questions raised on assumptions where the truth is offset by a large degree. I dont have the habit of using harsh words or making personal comments also. I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs,even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by unnecesary words.Rather i would ignore it Regards vinoth , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Moderators and Friends, > > This is too much. > > This chap is taking too much advantage in garb of being innocent as a > " newcomer but talking in a reprimanding and preaching manner snce the > start. > > When the matter has been closed bySreenadhji, why is he continously > harping with his broken unmelodious tunes which do not produce audible > sounds, rather the crackling groans of those found in the limited > confinements of a well. > > He is blaming the Managment for not having approved his mail of > introduction. I ask you people why is he not able to write another one ? > Are the achievemnts to his credit so long that they would take 48 hours > and Pages to write ? > > He is speaking on behalf of the newcomers. This means that he accepts he > is one. Therefore if he is one, then why did he let out a big and Huge > cry when asked for the intro. This should have actually been done when > he posted the Quiz itself, but giving respect to a unknown entity has > proved to be a bane for us. > > He says that everyone here wants to discuss astrology. But that is what > everybody is doing, except himself. Where is the astrological discussion > coming from him. Why these shrill rough tones coming from a broken > outdated Banjo player is given to us ? > > Read my first mail to him requesting him for introduction. It was > written in the most polite manner. But I knew his real identity which is > why he got another mail from me after 2 hours which was not so polite. > I know he has not spent even 6 months in astrology but just a few months > and not even seen 27 rainy seasons but talking in a audacious tones with > elders. At the same time we are not here for discouraging these new > comers but this does not give them the right to brush us off or talk in > a derogatory manner with the old (In this Group) members. They talk rot > that being young does not signify the barometer for knoweldge in > astrology or otherwise. I ask are these people Shankaracharyas or Swami > Vivekanands that their young age has got this same intelligent calibres > which these great men have ? > > On what basis they say that " Age or junior senior does not matter ???? > > In Astrology especially a person with more age has understandably a > better experience. We are now talking in general. But this chap is > trying to say that he is from those exclusive young who though may be > less by age, yet they are smart. > > Where is the smartness? I have not seen any. Where is the tarka-kutarka? > I have not seen any coming from this member. He is just hitting the > phata hua dhol continously and made the issue of Bhaskar asking for his > intro, as the only agenda since his last 50 mails, which has spoilt the > current of this astrology group. > > Debate between senior or junior does not matter I agree, but with whom > to debate ? With strangers ? With those who know nothing about astrology > ? yet they demand thatwe must discuss with them ? And what to discuss ? > This nonsense agenda in every mail ? He has nothing sense to talk of and > may be without work or a free Computer or Internet and free food coming > from the family. But why are we made to waste our time continously on > this stupid issue ? This stupid thread would not have been created had > he in the first case introduced himself. But he choose to make it as a > prestige issue. With so much EGO, and stpuid Narcisstic Love for > oneself, how can one progress in Life ? > > Debate if you can , but dont waste time of thers. If ashamed to give > your introduction then say so. But at least allow the members to know > your experience in astrology. And dont use this sentence like a womens > veil to defend your inaction or lack of proper course of action in this > Group. " Age does not matter in knowledge " . > > I hope Sreenadhjis words are respected and no more further derogatory > remarks or references are made to the past thread. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , Vinothkumar Md > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote: > > > > Dear sreenadhji > > > > clarification > > > > I have posted only 1 quiz so far in this group and it was also after > one of the member in this group requested me to post a chart of a person > involved in accident. > > The quiz was also regarding analysis of an event (accident)which > occured in the past and did not seek any predictions for future. > > > > Most of the newcomers will be happy to share their identity if " > requested " and not " commanded by handing them over 2 hrs time to > introduce themselves " .After seeing what is going on for past few days > where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without > provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity. > > everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses > astrology credentials. > > > > In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate > takes place keeping astrology in front. > > > > regards > > > > vintoh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Monday, July 13, 2009 2:16:57 PM > > Re: what lagna should be taken for > prediction if lagna of 00:01 degree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Just clarifying - > > > > I ask for introduction only when I feel some potential is there in the > > Poster, which could enable me to discuss freely and without any > > suspicions or fears that some senior astrologer CEO from another forum > > ha not taken any new id and now trying to make things difficult here. > > Also the astrological experience and qualifications is only requested > > for so that we know the levels of the poster, before we initiate any > > astrological discussions of some grave nature, or intensify our > detailed > > explanations or arguments, if we know the astrological level of the > > poster. This is only requested for free flow of thoughts and sharing > > ones inputs. Again this helps when someone puts a quiz, so that we > know > > he is a genuine person and not looking for predictions on himself or > his > > family member. Just helps one to be either " Cautious " or " Free " while > > communicating. > > > > Of course like you said anonymousity is to be respected and we must > not > > ask for too many personal details, which are not required. > > > > Love and hugs, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji and Vinoth Kumar ji, > > > Let me intrude here with my half baked idea about the whole > > > situation. I am yet to read the posts and is yet to have a gist of > > what > > > is going on. But I have the following points to share - > > > * I agree with Neelam ji 100% on what she states below. > > > * Vinoth Kumar ji states that he introduced himself in an earlier > mail > > > and that the moderators didn't allow it. Since there are multiple > > > moderators in this group, I am not sure about the truth of that > > > statement - some moderator may or may not have approved that mail; I > > > need to check with the moderators to know the truth of that > statement > > > and so leave it aside as of now. Anyway as of now there is no > pending > > > mails in the groups pending mails section, I can assure. If some > post > > > was on hold by the moderators, or didn't appear in the group pending > > > section itself due to some bug - then no more it is present > > there. > > > Now coming to the introducing part, I disagree with Bhaskar ji and > > > don't believe that introducing one self is required in such > > forums > > > and anonymity should be respected. Of course I agree that knowing > the > > > person we are talking to makes the communication better fruitful, > but > > > that cannot be demanded. Further there could be backdoors if > required > > > for collecting the info (which may or maynot lead to correct info) > > even > > > if some one is reluctant to share it. For example a simple google > > > search with the words " Vinoth Kumar M D " brings in the following > info > > - > > > " Vinoth Kumar MD. Gender, : Male. Age, : 23. Nationality, : Indian. > > > Location, : Chennai, India " . Now this info could be true or fals - > but > > > why should one be bothered? What age has to do with knowledge at > all? > > Is > > > it not one of the advantages of forums that we can talk to > > anyone > > > as equals without being bothered about age at all? It seems that > both > > > Bhaskar ji and Vinoth has a point - and we should take the positive > > side > > > of their argument only, without making it personal at all. > > > * Now coming to blind chart reading etc - a single reading proves > > > nothing. Only such numerous quizzes and continuous evaluation can > > prove > > > the credibility of individuals. I request Vinoth ji to search the > > > archives to find such info and understand that Neelam ji, Sunil Nair > > ji, > > > Bhaskar ji etc had proved their capability in realistic and reliable > > > prediction numerous times. Error one or times DOES NOT bring down > > their > > > reputation but only reveals their sincerity and dedication to the > > > subject. Please don't commit the immature and unscientific mistake > of > > > drawing conclusions based on single example/observation . > > > Note: I request a stop war fire. I hope we can continue with > > > knowledge sharing instead of raising out cobra heads. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinothkumar ji, > > > > > > > > //i am reiterating my point stated earlier that there is no use > > > debating on > > > > future predictions on the basis of astrological points.// > > > > > > > > I guess the whole point is lost here. The debate is/was not at all > > > about > > > > future predictions or who proves to be correct, etc. > > > > The debate was essentially about justifying the technique being > used > > > for > > > > making a prediction. > > > > > > > > The point is about correctness of application of astrological > > > principles and > > > > not the correctness of prediction I think. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinothkumar ji,//I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.// I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to introduce yourself? Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we’ve shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does not take very long for people to know our worth! Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of course.:-)Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear neelamji " Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does not take very long for people to know our worth! " i agree with this point.astrological writings show the identity of the person and that is what group members are here for. nothing else is important. Sreenadhji also has opined that Anonymity should be respected for the same " whatever reasons " you have mentioned.I would be happy if other fellow members also consider your above point . regards vinoth , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vinothkumar ji, > > //I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group > like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, > even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you > call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by > unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.// > > I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in > continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to > introduce yourself? > > Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we've > shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning > and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for > us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction > which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does > not take very long for people to know our worth! > > Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of > course.:-) > > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Neelamji " I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to introduce yourself? " I have to answer this question which was your assumption.I had never mentioned that i was ashamed to introduce myself.Please read my post again . , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vinothkumar ji, > > //I am also stating very clearly that i will never ever introduce in a group > like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, > even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you > call it shame or cowardice.I am not a person who will be provoked by > unnecesary words. Rather i would ignore it.// > > I find this quite strange! Pardon me for saying so, but what is the point in > continuing to share here, in such a group, where you even feel ashamed to > introduce yourself? > > Nonetheless, any introduction becomes meaningless after a point, when we've > shared ourselves in open groups like this. Slowly our expressions, learning > and knowledge flowing through those expressions become an introduction for > us. Our writings give us an identity that is much above that introduction > which you might be trying to keep under wraps for whatever reasons. It does > not take very long for people to know our worth! > > Anyways, this was my personal opinion. Please feel free to share, of > course.:-) > > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinoth ji,//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this statement, it clearly means that:You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with! Which is what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share and explore.:-) RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear NeelamJi Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision. I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century . I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light. i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. regards vinoth , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//* > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this > statement, it clearly means that: > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share > and explore.:-) > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Folks, This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji. they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this member is bad " . He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of hate and evil intentions. beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already succeded partly. Bhaskar. , " vinothkumarmd " <vinothkumarmd wrote: > > Dear NeelamJi > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " ..After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century . > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light. > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > regards > > vinoth > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//* > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share > > and explore.:-) > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinoth ji,I am sorry to say that you still do not understand what I meant to say.You've amply made clear, and I understand that you are here to learn *ancient astrology* and are not bothered with 19/20th century systems (though they are solidly based only on ancient systems and if they were not in place, we wouldn't have been here). There are two ways of taking advantage of any environment you decide to walk into (which you will be doing even though you do not feel that the group is worth it).One remains a silent observer and does not interfere in the proceedings but tries to grasp what is being offered without being judgmental about the environment. Nothing in this situation, gives you a right to point fingers at what the group is. orOne tries to prove one's worth and shares his knowledge which then becomes a give and take system and in that situation you become concerned and share your concerns rightfully about the group.It is no point dragging the discussion. Even if you don't get my point or agree to it :-) RegardsNeelam2009/7/13 vinothkumarmd <vinothkumarmd Dear NeelamJi Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision. I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century . I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light. i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. regards vinoth , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//* > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this > statement, it clearly means that: > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share > and explore.:-) > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear group Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you . I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the group " ancient indian astrology " suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting " authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my point that " ancient indian astrology " is what matters to me regards vinoth , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same > game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to > remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the > victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create > partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons > Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji. > > they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back > in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this > member is bad " . > > He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of > hate and evil intentions. > > beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in > the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already > succeded partly. > > Bhaskar. , " vinothkumarmd@ " > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote: > > > > Dear NeelamJi > > > > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm > that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of > 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a > chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may > crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " > .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of > SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based > only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and > not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th > century . > > > > > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i > felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the > whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different > light. > > > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > > > regards > > > > vinoth > > > > > > , neelam gupta > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal > abusive > > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction > is asked > > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or > cowardice.//* > > > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read > this > > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* > Which is > > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a > place > > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets > our eye. > > > > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to > share > > > and explore.:-) > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear members, This new member Vinothkumarji who has not introduced himself, his identity including his age, profession, astrological experience, genuinity by contact numbers etc., obviously referring to me has mentioned - // Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision.// If You feel that he will be able to contribute better here, in my absence, and the Group will become a better place without me being present, I shall leave immediately. And do not worry about me. I am too occupied with 2 Big websites doing professional work, and it is only for the love of astrology that I write here in this Group. I am also under negotiations to link with further prime websites , and need no promotion here or image-making. You know I speak rough and rude to put forth my points and never to build any image. So if the owner/Moderators/members wish me to relieve me from here, I will gladly do so and spend full time on my profession which brings money home to my family. Though I would love to be here since this is the only Group where I write regularly and will miss it, but cannot stay here under constraints and restraints from unknown identities who wish to rub me the wrong way. Bhaskar. , " vinothkumarmd " <vinothkumarmd wrote: > > Dear NeelamJi > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " ..After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th century . > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different light. > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > regards > > vinoth > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal abusive > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction is asked > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or cowardice.//* > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read this > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* Which is > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a place > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets our eye. > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to share > > and explore.:-) > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Please ask him who is looking for praise from unknown persons here in this Group ? What does he mean by " newer systems of astrology " ? Does he know about astrology at all ? Is yes, then why does he not talk about astrology, but everything else ? Ask him to clarify the meaning of " newer systems of astrology " , and see how i discuss with him, and let the members watch the argument. Let him try to prove through tarka and kutarka what is the meaning of newer systems of astrology and the older systems of astrology ? Is this not a discussion Group ? Then why fear from discussion ? C'mon start the discussion though you have not introduced yourself, I will prove to the Group, what category you fall into. Though I do not know whether you are worthy of discussing with me or not, but I will discuss. I know very well you have nothing to offer. C'mon start discussing on the above points. I challenge you. Bhaskar. , " vinothkumarmd " <vinothkumarmd wrote: > > Dear group > > > Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you . > > > I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the group " ancient indian astrology " > suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting " authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my point that " ancient indian astrology " is what matters to me > > > regards > > vinoth > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same > > game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to > > remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the > > victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create > > partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons > > Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji. > > > > they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back > > in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this > > member is bad " . > > > > He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of > > hate and evil intentions. > > > > beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in > > the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already > > succeded partly. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinothkumarmd@ " > > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear NeelamJi > > > > > > > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm > > that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of > > 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a > > chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may > > crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > > > > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " > > .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of > > SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based > > only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and > > not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th > > century . > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i > > felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the > > whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different > > light. > > > > > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > vinoth > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal > > abusive > > > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction > > is asked > > > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or > > cowardice.//* > > > > > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read > > this > > > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* > > Which is > > > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a > > place > > > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets > > our eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to > > share > > > > and explore.:-) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear friends, //Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group// He is trying to suggest to the Owner/Moderators, exactly that only by saying that in this group of ancient astrology people are coming with newer systems. This fellow is trying to act too smart for his boots, and creating discords here. He is not interested in doing astrology but has other agendas in his mind. Bhaskar. , " vinothkumarmd " <vinothkumarmd wrote: > > Dear group > > > Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you . > > > I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the group " ancient indian astrology " > suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting " authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my point that " ancient indian astrology " is what matters to me > > > regards > > vinoth > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same > > game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to > > remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the > > victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create > > partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons > > Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji. > > > > they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back > > in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this > > member is bad " . > > > > He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of > > hate and evil intentions. > > > > beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in > > the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already > > succeded partly. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinothkumarmd@ " > > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear NeelamJi > > > > > > > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm > > that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of > > 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a > > chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may > > crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > > > > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " > > .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of > > SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based > > only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and > > not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th > > century . > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i > > felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the > > whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different > > light. > > > > > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > vinoth > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal > > abusive > > > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction > > is asked > > > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or > > cowardice.//* > > > > > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read > > this > > > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* > > Which is > > > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a > > place > > > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets > > our eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to > > share > > > > and explore.:-) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinoth ji,Despite trying to remain away from unnecessary discussions with you, I have to take up clarifications, on behalf of many learned but silent members of the group, in the wake of your ongoing attacks about the group. Let me tell you that this strong group is woven with a common thread of Ancient Indian Astrology and we all are pursuing our search and research in Ancient astrology only. You cannot simply say that you are interested in some members and not interested in others! It is not a matter of taking names, it is a matter of appreciating what the GROUP is about. We have always believed in the team work and all members are equally important provided they learn team etiquette. The way you have been attacking the group and indicating that there would be more members coming out to abuse you, does not reflect well on your own intentions. Why would the group members attack you? New members join here everyday and become old and loved ones in due course of time. One needs patience and an open approach. I hope I have made my point quite clear and you would take it in a positive spirit.RegardsNeelam2009/7/13 vinothkumarmd <vinothkumarmd Dear group Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you . I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the group " ancient indian astrology " suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting " authentic ancient astrology " and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my point that " ancient indian astrology " is what matters to me regards vinoth , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > This is the same story being repeated in this Group too, and the same > game which was played in other forums too, where they sent such mails to > remove particular members, and this time they again want me to be the > victim in this Group. This person is a expert in " Divide and create > partitions " as is obviously observed by his buttering the right persons > Sunil Nairji, Sreenadhi, Sreeramji. > > they come in new fake ids and create trouble for me, and when I hit back > in response, they start playing the game of " This group is good but this > member is bad " . > > He is not a small newbie as he wants us to believe but a man full of > hate and evil intentions. > > beware from this member. I hope the Owner/Moderators will not fall in > the trap this fellow is setting to remove me from here. he has already > succeded partly. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > , " vinothkumarmd@ " > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote: > > > > Dear NeelamJi > > > > > > Yes you got my point finally.i had clearly mentioned and will reaffirm > that this group is not worth sharing personal identity ,only because of > 1 Member i have come across so far to be going personal and there is a > chance that there can be few more members in a number of 3000 who may > crop up in later time.Hence the decision. > > > > I joined this group impressed with the name " ancient Indian astrology " > .After joining this groups i am really impressed with the writings of > SunilnairJi,Sreenadhji,Sreeramji etc as most of their posts are based > only on authentic " ancient Indian astrology " as the name suggests and > not newer systems of astrology which were found in 19th century and 20th > century . > > > > > > > > I had to write the reply because " few Specific words " like " That i > felt ashamed " written by you saying that i actually wrote it changed the > whole meaning of the statement made by me and portrayed it in different > light. > > > > i dont want to argue unless i am wrongly quoted or misrepresentated. > > > > regards > > > > vinoth > > > > > > , neelam gupta > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > > > > > *//i will never ever introduce in a group like this where personal > abusive > > > commnets are hurled against fellow memebrs, even if my introduction > is asked > > > 100 times and irrespective of whether you call it shame or > cowardice.//* > > > > > > Well, you may read any number of times, and 3000+ members may read > this > > > statement, it clearly means that: > > > > > > *You do not consider this group worth sharing your identity with!* > Which is > > > what I meant. Let us not go on specific words used on either side. > > > > > > What I am trying to say is that we cannot not be judgmental about a > place > > > (group) where we've just entered. There may be more than what meets > our eye. > > > > > > > > > However, I am closing this issue here from my side as I leave you to > share > > > and explore.:-) > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear neelamji I have already understood all the points you made in your post and also do understand all the points mentioned by you in this post. UNderstandably there are 2 environments in a group.right from day 1 i joined you must be aware (unless you did not follow some of the discussions) that i was not an silent observer in this group and belong to the 2nd environment.so according to you this statement apploes " One tries to prove one's worth and shares his knowledge which then becomes a > give and take system and in that situation you become concerned and share > your concerns rightfully about the group. " I really respect your love for the group you moderated.I really respect the group the same way where i am a member .Please don't drag the discussion. regards vinoth [Moderator's Note: Message edited by moderators] , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vinoth ji, > > I am sorry to say that you still do not understand what I meant to say. > > You've amply made clear, and I understand that you are here to learn > *ancient astrology* and are not bothered with 19/20th century systems > (though they are solidly based only on ancient systems and if they were not > in place, we wouldn't have been here). > > There are two ways of taking advantage of any environment you decide to walk > into (which you will be doing even though you do not feel that the group is > worth it). > > One remains a silent observer and does not interfere in the proceedings but > tries to grasp what is being offered without being judgmental about the > environment. Nothing in this situation, gives you a right to point fingers > at what the group is. > or > One tries to prove one's worth and shares his knowledge which then becomes a > give and take system and in that situation you become concerned and share > your concerns rightfully about the group. > > It is no point dragging the discussion. Even if you don't get my point or > agree to it :-) > > Regards > Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, What I know about Vinoth is that - * He says that he follows vakya panchanga; an indication that shows that he is possibly from Tamil nadu. * After reading some of my write-ups on net he contacted me and it is me who directed him to join this group. Apart from this I don't know much about him. But the words of individuals speaks ample about themselves. For example, we could observe that - * He is not a duplicate id (due to difference in style of writing, the discussions he gets involved, active nature etc), but original. * He must be hot blooded and young, as evident from by his writing. (So he must be the google given individual from chennai with 23 years of age) Some rough corners should go, ego should settle and maturity and peace should settle in. All needs time. [Also if google is right he is into the field of 'general medicine'; thus indicating that he is a smart and intelligent student] * He is greatly interested in astrology and dedicated to it even in this early age. A good trend that should be appreciated. * Mention of vakya panchaga - this indicate that possibly he is learning from some good guru or old tradition and is not new to astrology. The vast world of numerous non south indian techniques, espcially popular in net and north india may not not be familiar to him, and there is ample chance that he may mis-interpret simple statements if not related to traditional south indian astrology. Actually he is more concerned about the 'ancient (south!) indian astrology' and that is why he is in this group; it the words 'ancient' and 'indian' (as a whole meaning 'traditional') that attracts him. All good - this indicate that he should take extra care NOT TO hurt north indian techniques, astrologers, new techniques and so on. * He a new bee to this group - so he may not be familiar with the philosophy and approach of this group. Being in too much hurry (a trend of people who surf over the superfluous in general and of youngsters), he may not spend enough time in archives and will consider this group also one among the lot. A mistake that he will correct gradually. He is unaware that in this group it is not the predictions them selves but instead the revealing of the logic, approach and the application that is valued most. He is unaware that if some members are kept unmoderated it is due to the reputation they gained through the numerous days of interaction that passed by. Yes - it takes time to 'know' the group. So my advice to you is that - being astrologers who observes nimitta we don't need an introduction! Actions and nimittas speak ample enough that even direct introduction cannot convey. So why should a good astrologer like you should ask for an introduction. Of course I agree with you and agrees that if an introduction comes then well and good, but if not too - why worry? Note: I agree to all the points mentioned in your mail. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > Just clarifying -> > I ask for introduction only when I feel some potential is there in the> Poster, which could enable me to discuss freely and without any> suspicions or fears that some senior astrologer CEO from another forum> ha not taken any new id and now trying to make things difficult here.> Also the astrological experience and qualifications is only requested> for so that we know the levels of the poster, before we initiate any> astrological discussions of some grave nature, or intensify our detailed> explanations or arguments, if we know the astrological level of the> poster. This is only requested for free flow of thoughts and sharing> ones inputs. Again this helps when someone puts a quiz, so that we know> he is a genuine person and not looking for predictions on himself or his> family member. Just helps one to be either "Cautious" or "Free" while> communicating.> > Of course like you said anonymousity is to be respected and we must not> ask for too many personal details, which are not required.> > Love and hugs,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji and Vinoth Kumar ji,> > Let me intrude here with my half baked idea about the whole> > situation. I am yet to read the posts and is yet to have a gist of> what> > is going on. But I have the following points to share -> > * I agree with Neelam ji 100% on what she states below.> > * Vinoth Kumar ji states that he introduced himself in an earlier mail> > and that the moderators didn't allow it. Since there are multiple> > moderators in this group, I am not sure about the truth of that> > statement - some moderator may or may not have approved that mail; I> > need to check with the moderators to know the truth of that statement> > and so leave it aside as of now. Anyway as of now there is no pending> > mails in the groups pending mails section, I can assure. If some post> > was on hold by the moderators, or didn't appear in the group pending> > section itself due to some bug - then no more it is present> there.> > Now coming to the introducing part, I disagree with Bhaskar ji and> > don't believe that introducing one self is required in such > forums> > and anonymity should be respected. Of course I agree that knowing the> > person we are talking to makes the communication better fruitful, but> > that cannot be demanded. Further there could be backdoors if required> > for collecting the info (which may or maynot lead to correct info)> even> > if some one is reluctant to share it. For example a simple google> > search with the words "Vinoth Kumar M D" brings in the following info> -> > "Vinoth Kumar MD. Gender, : Male. Age, : 23. Nationality, : Indian.> > Location, : Chennai, India". Now this info could be true or fals - but> > why should one be bothered? What age has to do with knowledge at all?> Is> > it not one of the advantages of forums that we can talk to> anyone> > as equals without being bothered about age at all? It seems that both> > Bhaskar ji and Vinoth has a point - and we should take the positive> side> > of their argument only, without making it personal at all.> > * Now coming to blind chart reading etc - a single reading proves> > nothing. Only such numerous quizzes and continuous evaluation can> prove> > the credibility of individuals. I request Vinoth ji to search the> > archives to find such info and understand that Neelam ji, Sunil Nair> ji,> > Bhaskar ji etc had proved their capability in realistic and reliable> > prediction numerous times. Error one or times DOES NOT bring down> their> > reputation but only reveals their sincerity and dedication to the> > subject. Please don't commit the immature and unscientific mistake of> > drawing conclusions based on single example/observation.> > Note: I request a stop war fire. I hope we can continue with> > knowledge sharing instead of raising out cobra heads. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vinothkumar ji,> > >> > > //i am reiterating my point stated earlier that there is no use> > debating on> > > future predictions on the basis of astrological points.//> > >> > > I guess the whole point is lost here. The debate is/was not at all> > about> > > future predictions or who proves to be correct, etc.> > > The debate was essentially about justifying the technique being used> > for> > > making a prediction.> > >> > > The point is about correctness of application of astrological> > principles and> > > not the correctness of prediction I think.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinoth ji, //After seeing what is going on for past few days where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity.// That is just your opinion which may not be correct. I don't feel it is important to comment more on the above. //everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses astrology credentials.// That is moderators duty. And that we we (i,e. moderators) know more than you, as far as this forum is concerned. Further it should also be noted that we want to discuss astrology and not the bish-bashing and statements of hidden meaning between two members, one of whom is obviously you. I request you to please go back to astrology. //> In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate takes place keeping astrology in front.// I am not sure what you intended with the words 'open forum'. This is a where anyone can become a member, but certainly one that required membership - i.e. a moderated private forum as per terminology (and neither an unmoderated forum or a public one). Yes, possibly it is 'open' as well, since as per terminology since 'closed forum' means the moderator has to specifically invite the members to allow them to join. Here is it is not so, which means that it is an 'open forum' as per terminology - meaning that anyone can join. But I am not sure whether this is what you intended or not. I agree that astrology and astrological knowledge should given utmost importance than anything else here. Certainly attitude, words with mutual respect etc can be a consideration; but I don't think that senior-junior as per age should be a consideration. But senior-junior as per active group membership holds some value because we know the knowledge base and depth of our senior members (seniority based on active membership in this group) but not much about the nee bees usually in the beginning. But many new bees with stunning mails with lot of knowledge flow has has opened our eyes at times and became seniors with a matter 1-2 days; many remain entry level students even after the 'passive' membership of many years. These are all points one should be aware and keep in mind. In short 'reputation' should not be asked or sought for, but should come naturally - whether it be for the senior or junior. Ego is not going to be a positive bridge. If you are here for the sake of learning or sharing your astrological knowledge - please concentrate on the same. Also please learn the prime rule of - i.e. "Ignore the mails that you don't feel like answering; and usually ignore things when you feel that it will lead to unnecessory controversies that will waste the time of many ". Groups are just a temporary place and not our life blood. Any one (any member) can live without this - even though this could be an interesting time pass. It does not make much sense to make everything a sentimental issue. Hope this clarifies. Note: In one mail you said that 'the group owner itself has come forward to solve the issue and so on'. What relevance a group owner has got in this case? Here it is nothing. And there are many excellent moderators who know when what to do and how to handle situations. It was just chance that I was acting the role of the moderator. Also note that when friction between some members arise due to immaturity or ego of one or the other member - it is the time and energy of the moderator that gets wasted most; who ever that moderator be; which ever the group be. So if a moderator has to come inbetween then it is not a thing of credit but of discredit. So again the point is - let us close this thread and go back to astrology. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Vinothkumar Md <vinothkumarmd wrote:>> Dear sreenadhji> > clarification> > I have posted only 1 quiz so far in this group and it was also after one of the member in this group requested me to post a chart of a person involved in accident.> The quiz was also regarding analysis of an event (accident)which occured in the past and did not seek any predictions for future.> > Most of the newcomers will be happy to share their identity if " requested" and not "commanded by handing them over 2 hrs time to introduce themselves".After seeing what is going on for past few days where there are more personal harsh comments are being made without provocation ,i feel most of the newcomers should maintain anonymity.> everyone here wants to discuss astrology and not somebody elses astrology credentials.> > In an open forum i feel senior or junior does not matter when debate takes place keeping astrology in front.> > regards> > vintoh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Vinoth ji """"What u mean by newer system of astrology and which dont stood test for ages """"""?? why shud any new system shud stood test for ages ?? Why cant u liv it for users to reject or accept it ,Now u r using internet and why cant u wait for ages to proov its worth and then use it ??do u hav anything to say any thing subjuct wise than simply pointing on some body and some system ,if u hav something to say u r always welcome to do so if u r fully equipped to do it .But without mastering a subjuct we cannot allow it .as far this grp is concerned we accept all systems originated in india and if u hav some thing like objection or any thing pls approach the matter in constructiv way ,pls do it in intellectual way .here u hav seen we hav discussed Rao system of nadi astrology which none of his students or followers had answer us ,so u can do in same way than simly writing few simple words and rejecting the systems .But pls Mind this is a discussion forum and not a forum to settle any personal scores if u r talking abt shri Krishnamoorthi ( also Known as KP or KP krishnamoorthi ,the founder of KP system ) No one has rejected him while he was living on this earth ,including his critics ,all simply run away frm him saying that he has some sidhi or some seva which is bull shit for thinking minds ,other than this no one was capable of refuting him while he walk on this earth in flesh and blood ..( This includes sceptics ,so called scientific bend of mind ppl and other masters in astrology ) If u hav more knowledge u r welcome to do so in this very grp or some grps whch is dealing with the subjuct seperatly but pls dont bring us in between ur wisdom and his New system which dont stood test for ages and yugas .rgrds sunil nair , "vinothkumarmd" <vinothkumarmd wrote:>> Dear group> > > Please be aware that i am not interested to seperate anybody from this group.I dont want to write new posts writing the position of my membership in this group currently and attract sympathy or any responses from you .> > > I have only showed the postive points where i pointed out Sreenadhji,Sreeramji and sunilnairji whose posts are backed by ancient references as the name of the group "ancient indian astrology"> suggests.There can be few names which might have been left out who are quoting " authentic ancient astrology" and they also rightly belong to this group of 3 i already mentioned.This is my personal opinion.At the same time do not expect me to praise people who follow newer systems of astrology which have not stood the test of ages.I am very clear in my point that "ancient indian astrology" is what matters to me> > > regards> > vinoth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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