Fwd: [hc] Is Krishna really an avatar ?

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hinducivilization , " J.venkatasubramanian "

<apexpreci2000 wrote:

 

Saurav

 

I too was taken aback when I read about Vivekananda's and Ramakrishna's smoking

and fish eating habits. As a south Indian brahmin, these were most shocking to

me . There is an incident in which Swamy Vivekananda went into a rage in Madras

and used caste names to an attacker.

 

But, these things faded and took their own places and I read Vivekananda without

any judgement.

 

Similarly, I know of incidents when Subrahmanya Bharati, the flamboyant poet of

Tamil land was insulted and ignored by Aurobindo and his team in Pondicherry.

Though I was incensed in the beginning, it never reduced my respect for

Aurobindo.

 

I take the best out of people and move along.

 

Venkat

 

hinducivilization , " saurav_basu2007 " <saurav_basu2007@>

wrote:

>

> I am neither a yogi nor associated with the Aurobindo Ashram. The views

expressed were not based on any personal prejudice but gleaned from Osho's

writings.

>

> Previously too, I have been personally attacked by the new age oshoites when i

wrote an article exposing the ethical and moral vacuity of their master. The

moral insecurity of self-deception is self-evident in such conduct

>

>

> hinducivilization , Bhalchandra Thattey <tobhalgt@>

wrote:

> >

> > That is a very uncharitable comment.

> > That is typical of the half baked yogis of the Arobindo_Ashram.

> > Rajaneesh / Osho has written such wonderful spititual books on the

> > Upanishadas, Gorakhnath, Nanak, Kabeer, Bhakti etc.

> > Money did flow to him. That does not make him a scoundrel.

> > It is like the Birlas calling Ambanis scoundrels.

> >

> >

> > On 4/27/09, J.venkatasubramanian <apexpreci2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Saurav,

> > >

> > > Osho called a spade as one and never minced words.

> > >

> > > Though he was non traditional in many ways, he was the lone New age

masters

> > > to have defended Bhakti, which was attacked left and right by all those

> > > 'wise' masters. Osho even spoke on Narada Bhakti sutra , which is now a

> > > book.

> > >

> > > Bur for you to get convinced , some reading is necessary. Please download

> > > the book " Krishna, the man and his philosophy " from this link <

> > >

http://www.ziddu.com/download/2055572/Krishna.TheManandHisPhilosophy.pdf.html

> > > >

> > >

> > > He was one tragedy the Hindus allowed to happen. No Hindu voice was raised

> > > when he was jailed on superficial charges. India simply watched as each

> > > country was blackmailed by the US not to accept Osho as a refugee. His

plane

> > > was not even allowed to land in many places.

> > >

> > > I was a bitter critic of Osho till about a ye ar ago but a net friend

> > > changed all that. Osho's gits lectures still remains one of the best

> > > commentaries on the Gita. It is in audio file form on the internet (search

> > > in esnips). I am not exaggerating. I am a gita devotee for close to ten

> > > years and was rattled to by foundation by Osho's Gita lectures. A sewer

> > > cannot propagate such divine scent.

> > >

> > > My devotion to Krishna has multiplied after Osho.

> > >

> > > Venkat

> > >

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " saurav_basu2007 "

> > > <saurav_basu2007@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this

> > > discussion

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > hinducivilization , Venkat apexpreci2000@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a question I faced from the secular brigade and even from our

> > > > > religious groups. We can not prove God but we can understand his

words.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And it takes nothing less than the genius of Osho to dig out a great

> > > > > explanation from Krishna's signal statement in Kurukshetra. Read this

> > > > > blog at

> > > > >

> > > > > <

> > > http://sanatanavenkat.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-krishna-really-avatar.html>

> > > > >

> > > > > And do not forget to register your comments. Also, please circulate it

> > > > > to all who may need it. You may use the content even without my name.

> > > > > J Venkatasubramanian

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go

> > > to http://in.promos./groups/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Bhalchandra G. Thattey

> > Shubham Bhavatu

> > Svalpasya Yogasya Trayate Mahato Bhayat

> >

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book

on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.

 

//Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this

discussion//

 

Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled " The cobra event " by Richard

Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in

Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around

town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning

a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later "

 

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

dear bhagavathi ji

what i can understand and gather is osho has no involvement with that salmonella attack nor he is involved in any conspiracies .it was a western (CIA)conspiracy planted in osho ashram ,tru what they called sanyasi secret service ,still they r using same method of infiltrating into many big swamies ashrams and they r knowingly or unknowingly under their shadow and many things r get done tru it and they r utilising some blind faith happend to disciple's of those Gurus .

Osho was a threat to church ,as it has got its own expansiv progrmes where as most of his disciple's are frm church and west .

even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick .

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

 

 

 

 

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear all,> > I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.> > //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this discussion//> > Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled "The cobra event" by Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later"> > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

[Guest guest]

In USA, the Governance was totally against Rajnessh , and there were

many cock and bull stories circulated to bring Rajnessh to discredit.

They could not stand this Indian with a genuis mind who could attract

thousands to his fold just with the wizardry of his words,

super-intelligence and charishma. HENCE WE MUST NOT MAKE JUDGMENTS

ABOUT RAJNEESH WITHOUT INVESTIGATIONS.

 

I am not a Bhakta of his ashram, ideologies or his fan. But I know this

much that he was not another Indian who went outside India with a

begging bowl, he was not an Indian who made films about poverty in

India, he was not a Indian who painted nude of Indian Goddesses, he was

not a Indian who went outside and raped anybody. He was a Great Indian

who had the power to attract the Americans to his fold with sheer

intelligence, and normally we run after the white skin, but he made a

turn around with his presence in America by making them run towards him.

He went and created great material prosperity for himself, with his

envious fleet of cars, big people and stars falling at his feet, he was

sort of another Rasputin.

 

This man must be paid homage, for making Indians also look smart and

intelligent in the eyes of foreigners, otherwise normally India is

looked for in majority, for outsourcing Drivers, cleaners, Nurses and

what not of this calibre.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be

analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.

>

> //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in

this discussion//

>

> Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled " The cobra event " by

Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in

Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad

bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got

sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack

on the town that was to happen later "

>

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

[Guest guest]

Rajneesh wore a Rado watch not for his affinity towards luxury but because

simply his followers gave it to him. To have aversion for it would be similar to

have affinity for it.

His interpretation of the various scriptures are to be read. They are perhaps

the only work by modern day mystic of India on Indian scriptures.

He openly mentions that his job is to shock you from your sleep/ slumber.

He said instesd of preaching to poor, better to feed them cause only on well fed

stomach will he think on God.

Same thing about his views on Sex. He said if I tell you to abstain it will draw

your mind towards it. Then you will not think of God. Let you get over it and

then go to god.

He ridiculed most interpretations of religion and was thus " blasphamous " .

His explanations will be read for centuries to come.

Wrong to judge him by what he wore or what his followers interpreted.

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/5/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

 

Friday, 1 May, 2009, 10:11 AM

 

 

 

In USA, the Governance was totally against Rajnessh , and there were

many cock and bull stories circulated to bring Rajnessh to discredit.

They could not stand this Indian with a genuis mind who could attract

thousands to his fold just with the wizardry of his words,

super-intelligence and charishma. HENCE WE MUST NOT MAKE JUDGMENTS

ABOUT RAJNEESH WITHOUT INVESTIGATIONS.

 

I am not a Bhakta of his ashram, ideologies or his fan. But I know this

much that he was not another Indian who went outside India with a

begging bowl, he was not an Indian who made films about poverty in

India, he was not a Indian who painted nude of Indian Goddesses, he was

not a Indian who went outside and raped anybody. He was a Great Indian

who had the power to attract the Americans to his fold with sheer

intelligence, and normally we run after the white skin, but he made a

turn around with his presence in America by making them run towards him.

He went and created great material prosperity for himself, with his

envious fleet of cars, big people and stars falling at his feet, he was

sort of another Rasputin.

 

This man must be paid homage, for making Indians also look smart and

intelligent in the eyes of foreigners, otherwise normally India is

looked for in majority, for outsourcing Drivers, cleaners, Nurses and

what not of this calibre.

 

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be

analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.

>

> //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in

this discussion//

>

> Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled " The cobra event " by

Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in

Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad

bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got

sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack

on the town that was to happen later "

>

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv ji,//His explanations will be read for centuries to come.

Wrong to judge him by what he wore or what his followers interpreted.// Well said - I agree. Love and regards,Sreenadh , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:>> Rajneesh wore a Rado watch not for his affinity towards luxury but because simply his followers gave it to him. To have aversion for it would be similar to have affinity for it.> His interpretation of the various scriptures are to be read. They are perhaps the only work by modern day mystic of India on Indian scriptures.> He openly mentions that his job is to shock you from your sleep/ slumber.> He said instesd of preaching to poor, better to feed them cause only on well fed stomach will he think on God.> Same thing about his views on Sex. He said if I tell you to abstain it will draw your mind towards it. Then you will not think of God. Let you get over it and then go to god.> He ridiculed most interpretations of religion and was thus " blasphamous ".> His explanations will be read for centuries to come.> Wrong to judge him by what he wore or what his followers interpreted.> > Chiranjiv Mehta

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,==>> I know this> much that he was not another Indian who went outside India with a> begging bowl, he was not an Indian who made films about poverty in> India, he was not a Indian who painted nude of Indian Goddesses, he was> not a Indian who went outside and raped anybody. He was a Great Indian> who had the power to attract the Americans to his fold with sheer> intelligence, and normally we run after the white skin, but he made a> turn around with his presence in America by making them run towards him.<== Ha...Ha....True! Well said! :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > In USA, the Governance was totally against Rajnessh , and there were> many cock and bull stories circulated to bring Rajnessh to discredit.> They could not stand this Indian with a genuis mind who could attract> thousands to his fold just with the wizardry of his words,> super-intelligence and charishma. HENCE WE MUST NOT MAKE JUDGMENTS> ABOUT RAJNEESH WITHOUT INVESTIGATIONS.> > I am not a Bhakta of his ashram, ideologies or his fan. But I know this> much that he was not another Indian who went outside India with a> begging bowl, he was not an Indian who made films about poverty in> India, he was not a Indian who painted nude of Indian Goddesses, he was> not a Indian who went outside and raped anybody. He was a Great Indian> who had the power to attract the Americans to his fold with sheer> intelligence, and normally we run after the white skin, but he made a> turn around with his presence in America by making them run towards him.> He went and created great material prosperity for himself, with his> envious fleet of cars, big people and stars falling at his feet, he was> sort of another Rasputin.> > This man must be paid homage, for making Indians also look smart and> intelligent in the eyes of foreigners, otherwise normally India is> looked for in majority, for outsourcing Drivers, cleaners, Nurses and> what not of this calibre.> > Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunilji,

 

I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special mention on

US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is part of my job. Osho

returned to India as a sick man, he died few years after that. Was he HIV

infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram screen visitors for HIV?

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagvathi ji,

 

Osho is not a Master for any of us, but yes he is a Master in Logic for

me and the a master of expresssions for most of us. I have spent my

teenage days in reading his books, and after entering youth and now at

the threshold of old age (Though I am like Dev anand and would never

consider myself old), wish to go back on his books, but time does not

permit.

 

He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can

pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not

handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.

 

He was a terror to Americans without making a Bomb or terrorising

people. How many indians can do this ?

 

He was a terror to the Church though he was not a Hindu missionary. How

many Indians can create such terror ?

 

He allowed free sex on his campus as we understand (In limits). What is

wrong in that, considering his ideologies ? So what harm if he made a

rule of visitors being screened for STD ? You said he had HIV, but I

dont think HIV was rampant that time or so common as of today. None of

us are saints here, and most like sex if they can indulge in it. At

least he was not hypocritical. So why blame him for being clear hearted

and brutally frank? He at least created an atmosphere in his campus

where there were no stupid pretensions of being a saint, and everybody

was allowed food and sex, the basic necessities , and then indulge in

spiritualism.

 

In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper sex.

Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of reasons.

The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived of the

pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the men nor

the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself to his

partnetr what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou becomes

just a formality, is just a eyewash. Most marriages in our circles are

all broken long back but allowed legally to remain just for social

reputation and family status. The husbands and wives live like complete

strangers in their bedrooms and meet probably once a month on the

physical level for formality, just because it has to be finished with.

Out of ridicule, fear and ostracisation no body has the guts to speak

out about what they miss in their lives and what they want. Osho

removed all this, and allowed anyone to become friends with anybody. A

free world in his domain.

 

I feel he was the smartest around in last 100 years or so. I wish he was

here to guide the rest of India to what is supposed to be done, but what

does not happen.

 

Now mind it, I am not in favour of free sex or out of marriage

courtships, but at least one man had the guts to bring the fantasy

universe in real existence which was also used as a platform for

spiritual activities. What wrong in that ? He was a real great person,

is my personal view. But it would be foolishness of course to compare

him with the spiritual saints and the likes, because he was a man of

this world, practical as well as ethereal. So criticism must not come

with comparisons with the spiritual giants, but criticise him on what

he was and what he was not. I would still prefer that one must look at

the positive sides of anybody, since negative is there in almost

everybody so whom does one co-relate to if one starts looking at

negativity in everybody around ?

 

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

dear bhaghavathi ji

Like in every approach i alwys keep the middle path ,not because i am afraid but because i am more matured and exprenced now .

Osho ,i dont know day to day events in his life ,what i know him is tru his discources and lectures and i find an exprced person and those who gone tru it can only talk like this such a spotaneous way and in fluid way .i dont know is he is a fallen angel .

But frm what i know abt US is they wont let some one leav without even any international pressures a man who done such a serious crime and they simply deported him .or allowed him to escpae ( i dont know any details abt it )

 

as regrds to screening and all that ( i am not going to details as it will create diffrnt kind of uproar in this grp ) it is health screening and it is followed by even many countries for long term visitors .If osho was following it ,it is good for the ashramites who is staying there permanently ,u shud think that free sex may b a new thing ( at least for time being ) for indians and not in west ,so i dont think it was the main attraction in his ashram .

 

Also his darshan is allowed when some one so clean ,is not even used body spray or lotions and even perfumes were not allowed .Such visitors will b turned out from his lecture hall .

 

there are so many other stories i heard abt him ,even abt using laughing gas in meditation hall >as during meditations many many ppl are un controllably laughing or when doing the laughing meditation ,the press or media was thinking it is due to the gas effect .( but one thing osho Knows more meditation technics than any guru living today and even many copied him too and started earning as if it is their invention ) may b true i dont know as i cannot vouch for it or i dont hav any first hand exprnce .

I remembr i read abt his opinion on astrology

once one of his sisya asked him abt use of astrology

he said a story .A Story in budha charita

A very learned arrogant egoistic pundit was passing tru ganga by boat and he has lot of helpers and all the books he learned on various subjucts including astrology ,plamisty ,samudrika lakshanam etc he used carry around along with him where ever he mov and he will argue with any one with his knowledge .And he will quote frm this books and will show also the proof in book as a proof of authenticity of his arguemnt .he always used to think no one can defeat him and he is perfect with all this knowledge

And while he passing tru river ganga he find a foot print it matches to the all lakshanas described in sastras that it is of king of kings can only can hav it ( means such a person with those lakshanas will b world ruler and all other kings will b merely his palanquin bearers -remebr budha has 32 chakrovarhty lakshana s ),but he was curious because the foot prints r leading to some chandala village and he was thinking wat this man who is supposed to b ruler of this world will b doing in this village of poor and un touchable 's

after following those marks he was leaded to a man who is so thin and weak and was meditating under a tree and a begging bowl is there in frnt of him and all the surrounding were so dirty as pigs r grazing and hens like house birds r moving around .The brahmin first thought of to go back to boat and destroy all books what ever he has ,but he thought to wait for this man to come out of meditation and open his eyes .

After he opened eyes he asked this question to Budha ( how come this happened and u r this condition is not tallying with the saying in classical books of future telling /astrology /palmistry etc etc )

 

budha said ur sastra is correct .But i choose this way ( saying abt use of will power ) ,so pls dont throw away ur books and use it for the welfare of mankind .

It was an eye opener for that pundit and it has shattered all ego in him too .

this is wat rajneesh also told to his disciple ,the ppl who realised is abov the stars and all kinds horoscopical reading .even our sastras says so ,if ur all karmas burn Out ( that is why we call it tapas --means heat also right ??) then it is Moksha ,no birth or re birth ,they will go to higher worlds .right ??

 

this is what for astrology is also ,we hav to use our will power to solv all problems where as so long as we r ordinary mortals we r subjuct to the past life luggages too .

Who except rajaneesh can say this ( means he is talking digested knwledge )

tail piece

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other wise all swamies i find run away the moment u talk astrology as they can smell danger .U need huge knowledge to argue for it ,but arguing against also dangerous ,so they use a sort of polititions tactics ,even some r against it as it will reduce critisism against them ( esp u can win heart of ppl of scientific temper ) ,i find very very rare ppl who is known as hindu spiritualist realy knows abt the subjuct and even they said for and against it too .

Even i find many many rich who contribute huge amnt to such tactful swamies and their ashrams ( most of the hindu swamies ashrams has 1000 of crores of worth properties ) and when they r in trouble they come running to us and consults ,but u shud not ask them money ,they will say astrology is devine profession so u shud help me free .

many times i asked them then why dont u ask ur sadguru the way out frm this trouble as he is so close to devine ,so u will get a real answer ,they used to tell me --ha i hav his blessing for my new venture and but i am doubtful of its future that is all .

This is new double standard practised by our hindus or indians >This is the way they support a cultural legacy too .

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special mention on US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is part of my job. Osho returned to India as a sick man, he died few years after that. Was he HIV infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram screen visitors for HIV? > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,

 

A wonderful straight-talk Post, close to my heart and views.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear bhaghavathi ji

>

> Like in every approach i alwys keep the middle path ,not because i am

> afraid but because i am more matured and exprenced now .

>

> Osho ,i dont know day to day events in his life ,what i know him is

tru

> his discources and lectures and i find an exprced person and those who

> gone tru it can only talk like this such a spotaneous way and in fluid

> way .i dont know is he is a fallen angel .

>

> But frm what i know abt US is they wont let some one leav without even

> any international pressures a man who done such a serious crime and

they

> simply deported him .or allowed him to escpae ( i dont know any

details

> abt it )

>

>

>

> as regrds to screening and all that ( i am not going to details as it

> will create diffrnt kind of uproar in this grp ) it is health

> screening and it is followed by even many countries for long term

> visitors .If osho was following it ,it is good for the ashramites who

is

> staying there permanently ,u shud think that free sex may b a new

> thing ( at least for time being ) for indians and not in west ,so i

dont

> think it was the main attraction in his ashram .

>

>

>

> Also his darshan is allowed when some one so clean ,is not even used

> body spray or lotions and even perfumes were not allowed .Such

visitors

> will b turned out from his lecture hall .

>

>

>

> there are so many other stories i heard abt him ,even abt using

> laughing gas in meditation hall >as during meditations many many ppl

> are un controllably laughing or when doing the laughing meditation

,the

> press or media was thinking it is due to the gas effect .( but one

> thing osho Knows more meditation technics than any guru living today

and

> even many copied him too and started earning as if it is their

invention

> ) may b true i dont know as i cannot vouch for it or i dont hav any

> first hand exprnce .

>

> I remembr i read abt his opinion on astrology

>

> once one of his sisya asked him abt use of astrology

>

> he said a story .A Story in budha charita

>

> A very learned arrogant egoistic pundit was passing tru ganga by boat

> and he has lot of helpers and all the books he learned on various

> subjucts including astrology ,plamisty ,samudrika lakshanam etc he

used

> carry around along with him where ever he mov and he will argue with

any

> one with his knowledge .And he will quote frm this books and will show

> also the proof in book as a proof of authenticity of his arguemnt .he

> always used to think no one can defeat him and he is perfect with all

> this knowledge

>

> And while he passing tru river ganga he find a foot print it matches

> to the all lakshanas described in sastras that it is of king of kings

> can only can hav it ( means such a person with those lakshanas will b

> world ruler and all other kings will b merely his palanquin bearers

> -remebr budha has 32 chakrovarhty lakshana s ),but he was curious

> because the foot prints r leading to some chandala village and he was

> thinking wat this man who is supposed to b ruler of this world will b

> doing in this village of poor and un touchable 's

>

> after following those marks he was leaded to a man who is so thin and

> weak and was meditating under a tree and a begging bowl is there in

frnt

> of him and all the surrounding were so dirty as pigs r grazing and

hens

> like house birds r moving around .The brahmin first thought of to go

> back to boat and destroy all books what ever he has ,but he thought to

> wait for this man to come out of meditation and open his eyes .

>

> After he opened eyes he asked this question to Budha ( how come this

> happened and u r this condition is not tallying with the saying in

> classical books of future telling /astrology /palmistry etc etc )

>

>

>

> budha said ur sastra is correct .But i choose this way ( saying abt

use

> of will power ) ,so pls dont throw away ur books and use it for the

> welfare of mankind .

>

> It was an eye opener for that pundit and it has shattered all ego in

him

> too .

>

> this is wat rajneesh also told to his disciple ,the ppl who realised

is

> abov the stars and all kinds horoscopical reading .even our sastras

says

> so ,if ur all karmas burn Out ( that is why we call it tapas --means

> heat also right ??) then it is Moksha ,no birth or re birth ,they will

> go to higher worlds .right ??

>

>

>

> this is what for astrology is also ,we hav to use our will power to

solv

> all problems where as so long as we r ordinary mortals we r subjuct to

> the past life luggages too .

>

> Who except rajaneesh can say this ( means he is talking digested

> knwledge )

>

> tail piece

>

> ---------------------

>

> other wise all swamies i find run away the moment u talk astrology as

> they can smell danger .U need huge knowledge to argue for it ,but

> arguing against also dangerous ,so they use a sort of polititions

> tactics ,even some r against it as it will reduce critisism against

them

> ( esp u can win heart of ppl of scientific temper ) ,i find very very

> rare ppl who is known as hindu spiritualist realy knows abt the

subjuct

> and even they said for and against it too .

>

> Even i find many many rich who contribute huge amnt to such tactful

> swamies and their ashrams ( most of the hindu swamies ashrams has 1000

> of crores of worth properties ) and when they r in trouble they come

> running to us and consults ,but u shud not ask them money ,they will

> say astrology is devine profession so u shud help me free .

>

> many times i asked them then why dont u ask ur sadguru the way out frm

> this trouble as he is so close to devine ,so u will get a real answer

> ,they used to tell me --ha i hav his blessing for my new venture and

but

> i am doubtful of its future that is all .

>

> This is new double standard practised by our hindus or indians >This

is

> the way they support a cultural legacy too .

>

>

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> ,

" bhagavathi_hariharan "

> bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special

> mention on US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is

> part of my job. Osho returned to India as a sick man, he died few

years

> after that. Was he HIV infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram

> screen visitors for HIV?

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,

 

India needs another Rajneesh. After he left us, I felt a void and very

sad at the genius the world will have to live without. I decided that

time to become one. But I joined astrology as the journey of Life took

me on this path. But that desire still remains in me. To become a

Rajneesh and spread the fragrance of Indianness all around at the same

time merge with the major gratification of what the world over desires,

and to give a discourse without having to fear of the effects of using a

bad word, or being brutally frank in the dispensions of my thoughts.

The public world over now does not need a Gandhi or a Forgiving Jesus.

They need a real man who understands what they want, and what do they

want these days ? They require both Material and also Spiritual.

Rajneesh had the forevision to realise this half a century ago. I wish I

receive Orders someday from the Lord to leave Jyotishi, and then I will

not fear of turning a little off the track or walking on the untrodden

paths, but give all what they want, straight and without mincing words

or actions.

 

They all need more than ever , material as well as Spiritual

gratifications. None of these less or more. Yes the world is fast

turning spiritual, but no one wishes to leave the material, and why

should they ? We must remain in this without it being in us.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear bhaghavathi ji

>

> Like in every approach i alwys keep the middle path ,not because i am

> afraid but because i am more matured and exprenced now .

>

> Osho ,i dont know day to day events in his life ,what i know him is

tru

> his discources and lectures and i find an exprced person and those who

> gone tru it can only talk like this such a spotaneous way and in fluid

> way .i dont know is he is a fallen angel .

>

> But frm what i know abt US is they wont let some one leav without even

> any international pressures a man who done such a serious crime and

they

> simply deported him .or allowed him to escpae ( i dont know any

details

> abt it )

>

>

>

> as regrds to screening and all that ( i am not going to details as it

> will create diffrnt kind of uproar in this grp ) it is health

> screening and it is followed by even many countries for long term

> visitors .If osho was following it ,it is good for the ashramites who

is

> staying there permanently ,u shud think that free sex may b a new

> thing ( at least for time being ) for indians and not in west ,so i

dont

> think it was the main attraction in his ashram .

>

>

>

> Also his darshan is allowed when some one so clean ,is not even used

> body spray or lotions and even perfumes were not allowed .Such

visitors

> will b turned out from his lecture hall .

>

>

>

> there are so many other stories i heard abt him ,even abt using

> laughing gas in meditation hall >as during meditations many many ppl

> are un controllably laughing or when doing the laughing meditation

,the

> press or media was thinking it is due to the gas effect .( but one

> thing osho Knows more meditation technics than any guru living today

and

> even many copied him too and started earning as if it is their

invention

> ) may b true i dont know as i cannot vouch for it or i dont hav any

> first hand exprnce .

>

> I remembr i read abt his opinion on astrology

>

> once one of his sisya asked him abt use of astrology

>

> he said a story .A Story in budha charita

>

> A very learned arrogant egoistic pundit was passing tru ganga by boat

> and he has lot of helpers and all the books he learned on various

> subjucts including astrology ,plamisty ,samudrika lakshanam etc he

used

> carry around along with him where ever he mov and he will argue with

any

> one with his knowledge .And he will quote frm this books and will show

> also the proof in book as a proof of authenticity of his arguemnt .he

> always used to think no one can defeat him and he is perfect with all

> this knowledge

>

> And while he passing tru river ganga he find a foot print it matches

> to the all lakshanas described in sastras that it is of king of kings

> can only can hav it ( means such a person with those lakshanas will b

> world ruler and all other kings will b merely his palanquin bearers

> -remebr budha has 32 chakrovarhty lakshana s ),but he was curious

> because the foot prints r leading to some chandala village and he was

> thinking wat this man who is supposed to b ruler of this world will b

> doing in this village of poor and un touchable 's

>

> after following those marks he was leaded to a man who is so thin and

> weak and was meditating under a tree and a begging bowl is there in

frnt

> of him and all the surrounding were so dirty as pigs r grazing and

hens

> like house birds r moving around .The brahmin first thought of to go

> back to boat and destroy all books what ever he has ,but he thought to

> wait for this man to come out of meditation and open his eyes .

>

> After he opened eyes he asked this question to Budha ( how come this

> happened and u r this condition is not tallying with the saying in

> classical books of future telling /astrology /palmistry etc etc )

>

>

>

> budha said ur sastra is correct .But i choose this way ( saying abt

use

> of will power ) ,so pls dont throw away ur books and use it for the

> welfare of mankind .

>

> It was an eye opener for that pundit and it has shattered all ego in

him

> too .

>

> this is wat rajneesh also told to his disciple ,the ppl who realised

is

> abov the stars and all kinds horoscopical reading .even our sastras

says

> so ,if ur all karmas burn Out ( that is why we call it tapas --means

> heat also right ??) then it is Moksha ,no birth or re birth ,they will

> go to higher worlds .right ??

>

>

>

> this is what for astrology is also ,we hav to use our will power to

solv

> all problems where as so long as we r ordinary mortals we r subjuct to

> the past life luggages too .

>

> Who except rajaneesh can say this ( means he is talking digested

> knwledge )

>

> tail piece

>

> ---------------------

>

> other wise all swamies i find run away the moment u talk astrology as

> they can smell danger .U need huge knowledge to argue for it ,but

> arguing against also dangerous ,so they use a sort of polititions

> tactics ,even some r against it as it will reduce critisism against

them

> ( esp u can win heart of ppl of scientific temper ) ,i find very very

> rare ppl who is known as hindu spiritualist realy knows abt the

subjuct

> and even they said for and against it too .

>

> Even i find many many rich who contribute huge amnt to such tactful

> swamies and their ashrams ( most of the hindu swamies ashrams has 1000

> of crores of worth properties ) and when they r in trouble they come

> running to us and consults ,but u shud not ask them money ,they will

> say astrology is devine profession so u shud help me free .

>

> many times i asked them then why dont u ask ur sadguru the way out frm

> this trouble as he is so close to devine ,so u will get a real answer

> ,they used to tell me --ha i hav his blessing for my new venture and

but

> i am doubtful of its future that is all .

>

> This is new double standard practised by our hindus or indians >This

is

> the way they support a cultural legacy too .

>

>

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> ,

" bhagavathi_hariharan "

> bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special

> mention on US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is

> part of my job. Osho returned to India as a sick man, he died few

years

> after that. Was he HIV infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram

> screen visitors for HIV?

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear respected bhaskar ji

it was just my thoughts on osho

but happy that u liked it, even i was doubtful wheter i cud delever in words what i feel or all my thoughts

 

thanks and rgrds sunil nair

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,> > A wonderful straight-talk Post, close to my heart and views.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > dear bhaghavathi ji> >> > Like in every approach i alwys keep the middle path ,not because i am> > afraid but because i am more matured and exprenced now .> >> > Osho ,i dont know day to day events in his life ,what i know him is> tru> > his discources and lectures and i find an exprced person and those who> > gone tru it can only talk like this such a spotaneous way and in fluid> > way .i dont know is he is a fallen angel .> >> > But frm what i know abt US is they wont let some one leav without even> > any international pressures a man who done such a serious crime and> they> > simply deported him .or allowed him to escpae ( i dont know any> details> > abt it )> >> >> >> > as regrds to screening and all that ( i am not going to details as it> > will create diffrnt kind of uproar in this grp ) it is health> > screening and it is followed by even many countries for long term> > visitors .If osho was following it ,it is good for the ashramites who> is> > staying there permanently ,u shud think that free sex may b a new> > thing ( at least for time being ) for indians and not in west ,so i> dont> > think it was the main attraction in his ashram .> >> >> >> > Also his darshan is allowed when some one so clean ,is not even used> > body spray or lotions and even perfumes were not allowed .Such> visitors> > will b turned out from his lecture hall .> >> >> >> > there are so many other stories i heard abt him ,even abt using> > laughing gas in meditation hall >as during meditations many many ppl> > are un controllably laughing or when doing the laughing meditation> ,the> > press or media was thinking it is due to the gas effect .( but one> > thing osho Knows more meditation technics than any guru living today> and> > even many copied him too and started earning as if it is their> invention> > ) may b true i dont know as i cannot vouch for it or i dont hav any> > first hand exprnce .> >> > I remembr i read abt his opinion on astrology> >> > once one of his sisya asked him abt use of astrology> >> > he said a story .A Story in budha charita> >> > A very learned arrogant egoistic pundit was passing tru ganga by boat> > and he has lot of helpers and all the books he learned on various> > subjucts including astrology ,plamisty ,samudrika lakshanam etc he> used> > carry around along with him where ever he mov and he will argue with> any> > one with his knowledge .And he will quote frm this books and will show> > also the proof in book as a proof of authenticity of his arguemnt .he> > always used to think no one can defeat him and he is perfect with all> > this knowledge> >> > And while he passing tru river ganga he find a foot print it matches> > to the all lakshanas described in sastras that it is of king of kings> > can only can hav it ( means such a person with those lakshanas will b> > world ruler and all other kings will b merely his palanquin bearers> > -remebr budha has 32 chakrovarhty lakshana s ),but he was curious> > because the foot prints r leading to some chandala village and he was> > thinking wat this man who is supposed to b ruler of this world will b> > doing in this village of poor and un touchable 's> >> > after following those marks he was leaded to a man who is so thin and> > weak and was meditating under a tree and a begging bowl is there in> frnt> > of him and all the surrounding were so dirty as pigs r grazing and> hens> > like house birds r moving around .The brahmin first thought of to go> > back to boat and destroy all books what ever he has ,but he thought to> > wait for this man to come out of meditation and open his eyes .> >> > After he opened eyes he asked this question to Budha ( how come this> > happened and u r this condition is not tallying with the saying in> > classical books of future telling /astrology /palmistry etc etc )> >> >> >> > budha said ur sastra is correct .But i choose this way ( saying abt> use> > of will power ) ,so pls dont throw away ur books and use it for the> > welfare of mankind .> >> > It was an eye opener for that pundit and it has shattered all ego in> him> > too .> >> > this is wat rajneesh also told to his disciple ,the ppl who realised> is> > abov the stars and all kinds horoscopical reading .even our sastras> says> > so ,if ur all karmas burn Out ( that is why we call it tapas --means> > heat also right ??) then it is Moksha ,no birth or re birth ,they will> > go to higher worlds .right ??> >> >> >> > this is what for astrology is also ,we hav to use our will power to> solv> > all problems where as so long as we r ordinary mortals we r subjuct to> > the past life luggages too .> >> > Who except rajaneesh can say this ( means he is talking digested> > knwledge )> >> > tail piece> >> > ---------------------> >> > other wise all swamies i find run away the moment u talk astrology as> > they can smell danger .U need huge knowledge to argue for it ,but> > arguing against also dangerous ,so they use a sort of polititions> > tactics ,even some r against it as it will reduce critisism against> them> > ( esp u can win heart of ppl of scientific temper ) ,i find very very> > rare ppl who is known as hindu spiritualist realy knows abt the> subjuct> > and even they said for and against it too .> >> > Even i find many many rich who contribute huge amnt to such tactful> > swamies and their ashrams ( most of the hindu swamies ashrams has 1000> > of crores of worth properties ) and when they r in trouble they come> > running to us and consults ,but u shud not ask them money ,they will> > say astrology is devine profession so u shud help me free .> >> > many times i asked them then why dont u ask ur sadguru the way out frm> > this trouble as he is so close to devine ,so u will get a real answer> > ,they used to tell me --ha i hav his blessing for my new venture and> but> > i am doubtful of its future that is all .> >> > This is new double standard practised by our hindus or indians >This> is> > the way they support a cultural legacy too .> >> >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> > ,> "bhagavathi_hariharan"> > bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji,> > >> > > I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special> > mention on US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is> > part of my job. Osho returned to India as a sick man, he died few> years> > after that. Was he HIV infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram> > screen visitors for HIV?> > >> > > Regards,> > > bhagavathi> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavati ji, //Why would an ashram screen visitors for HIV? // Because there was no difference between Life and Sanyas for Osho; because life and spirituality was not distict for Osho; Osho 'ashram' is/was not an ashram and is a place to learn 'life'; it was a nursory (sure for those who baby step into spirituality) to learn - 'without rules'; to learn and master 'how ethics can flow from within and not outside'. If Osho been now - I WILL visit him for sure - but won't stay in the ashram for long, since it is 'not required'. I won't indulge in 'sex in ashram or outside' since it is 'not required'. But some fools may - since he was teaching the 'kids' and the grown-ups. Grown-ups in spirituality don't need osho - nor any other master; because they know that the master and they are one and the same. I would be interested in the question "Does what Osho says resonates with my own spiritual experience?" - actually it is the prime and most important question. Because it is the only tool I got to judge a guru. I won'e be interested in Osho as a person, or in his ashram, or whether his ashram screen visitors for HIV etc... Those are NOT subjects of my interest, when I approach a guru like Osho. I won't blame you for asking such a question - ofcourse you can. But defenitly that is not my path; that is not a question of interest for me. I would love to enjoy life as osho did, I would love to die gracefully as Osho did - but I know that there is a difference of himalaya and a pebble. Osho lived in conciousness 24 x 7 as I could judge from his words - but conciousness is just an occational momentary glimpse for me. And that itself is the very difference between me and Osho and the very reason for the love towards him............ Any way, I would adive you to continue opposing Osho - actually that is how we come close to people and start looking at them in a different light; because what we oppose is NOT the other person - but the other part of our own personality itself!! (Note the point). If you blame Osho for 'not following ethics' that usually simply means that 'there is a part in your own personality that want to denay ethics and nothing else'! So your arguments against Osho is not against him (Osho is unimportant; there is no Osho present on the other side), but your own intense desire to denay ethics. May be this could help. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > I agree, We do not know the truth. But, this incident has a special mention on US history and bioterrorism. I have to go by this as it is part of my job. Osho returned to India as a sick man, he died few years after that. Was he HIV infected? we do not know. Why would an ashram screen visitors for HIV? > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji, //> Osho is not a Master for any of us// It would be wrong, if I agree with this statement. Just like Soul, Siva and Buddha, and numerous others who really is in conciousness Osho is a master for me - provide you mean 'guru' by the word 'master'. Gurus speak the truth and show you the light - even when the truths are 'brutal' as you puts it. Just like my own thoughts, just like meditating on Siva, Osho words bring light to me! He organizes my own thoughts and presents to me in a much better and systematic way - he is awesome! If not love him - what else can I do?! My love to osho is nothing but my love to myself and my own thoughts and nothing else. My love to osho is is the love for those felt the oneness itself - which is just an occational glimpse to me. My love to osho is just the love for all enlightened masters itself and nothing else. My love to osho is love towards the oneness of life and spirituality itself and nothing else! My love to osho is my love towards the devine itself and nothing else. My love towards osho is my love towards my own soul itself and nothing else. Osho never lived - so actually I am not botherd about Osho - but about myself itself! Osho is not a person, but just the divine presence (the enlightened conciouness) that was always present in the past and always a future possibility - he is always 'here'. Osho was just a specimen sample to show us the possibilties - without him, Buddha or Christ we might have thought it as impossible and non-existant. But with them we know that it exists and truly possible. But still I do not dare to follow it - and so I know that I am just a drop but they were the sea itself with numerous tides! Osho is my guru and except my own conciouness I am yet to see any other guru who is in par with him for myself - this remains a truth for me. So divinity is synonimous for me - for the words Siva, Soul and Osho - I can feel them as one and the same. Love and regards,Sreemadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > > Dear Bhagvathi ji,> > Osho is not a Master for any of us, but yes he is a Master in Logic for> me and the a master of expresssions for most of us. I have spent my> teenage days in reading his books, and after entering youth and now at> the threshold of old age (Though I am like Dev anand and would never> consider myself old), wish to go back on his books, but time does not> permit.> > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can> pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not> handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.> > He was a terror to Americans without making a Bomb or terrorising> people. How many indians can do this ?> > He was a terror to the Church though he was not a Hindu missionary. How> many Indians can create such terror ?> > He allowed free sex on his campus as we understand (In limits). What is> wrong in that, considering his ideologies ? So what harm if he made a> rule of visitors being screened for STD ? You said he had HIV, but I> dont think HIV was rampant that time or so common as of today. None of> us are saints here, and most like sex if they can indulge in it. At> least he was not hypocritical. So why blame him for being clear hearted> and brutally frank? He at least created an atmosphere in his campus> where there were no stupid pretensions of being a saint, and everybody> was allowed food and sex, the basic necessities , and then indulge in> spiritualism.> > In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper sex.> Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of reasons.> The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived of the> pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the men nor> the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself to his> partnetr what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou becomes> just a formality, is just a eyewash. Most marriages in our circles are> all broken long back but allowed legally to remain just for social > reputation and family status. The husbands and wives live like complete> strangers in their bedrooms and meet probably once a month on the> physical level for formality, just because it has to be finished with. > Out of ridicule, fear and ostracisation no body has the guts to speak> out about what they miss in their lives and what they want. Osho> removed all this, and allowed anyone to become friends with anybody. A> free world in his domain.> > I feel he was the smartest around in last 100 years or so. I wish he was> here to guide the rest of India to what is supposed to be done, but what> does not happen.> > Now mind it, I am not in favour of free sex or out of marriage> courtships, but at least one man had the guts to bring the fantasy> universe in real existence which was also used as a platform for> spiritual activities. What wrong in that ? He was a real great person,> is my personal view. But it would be foolishness of course to compare> him with the spiritual saints and the likes, because he was a man of> this world, practical as well as ethereal. So criticism must not come> with comparisons with the spiritual giants, but criticise him on what> he was and what he was not. I would still prefer that one must look at> the positive sides of anybody, since negative is there in almost> everybody so whom does one co-relate to if one starts looking at> negativity in everybody around ?> > > Bhaskar.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

Thanks for the good post. That is beautiful.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

That was a wonderful post.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Bhagvathi ji,

>

> Osho is not a Master for any of us, but yes he is a Master in Logic for

> me and the a master of expresssions for most of us. I have spent my

> teenage days in reading his books, and after entering youth and now at

> the threshold of old age (Though I am like Dev anand and would never

> consider myself old), wish to go back on his books, but time does not

> permit.

>

> He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can

> pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not

> handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.

>

> He was a terror to Americans without making a Bomb or terrorising

> people. How many indians can do this ?

>

> He was a terror to the Church though he was not a Hindu missionary. How

> many Indians can create such terror ?

>

> He allowed free sex on his campus as we understand (In limits). What is

> wrong in that, considering his ideologies ? So what harm if he made a

> rule of visitors being screened for STD ? You said he had HIV, but I

> dont think HIV was rampant that time or so common as of today. None of

> us are saints here, and most like sex if they can indulge in it. At

> least he was not hypocritical. So why blame him for being clear hearted

> and brutally frank? He at least created an atmosphere in his campus

> where there were no stupid pretensions of being a saint, and everybody

> was allowed food and sex, the basic necessities , and then indulge in

> spiritualism.

>

> In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper sex.

> Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of reasons.

> The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived of the

> pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the men nor

> the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself to his

> partnetr what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou becomes

> just a formality, is just a eyewash. Most marriages in our circles are

> all broken long back but allowed legally to remain just for social

> reputation and family status. The husbands and wives live like complete

> strangers in their bedrooms and meet probably once a month on the

> physical level for formality, just because it has to be finished with.

> Out of ridicule, fear and ostracisation no body has the guts to speak

> out about what they miss in their lives and what they want. Osho

> removed all this, and allowed anyone to become friends with anybody. A

> free world in his domain.

>

> I feel he was the smartest around in last 100 years or so. I wish he was

> here to guide the rest of India to what is supposed to be done, but what

> does not happen.

>

> Now mind it, I am not in favour of free sex or out of marriage

> courtships, but at least one man had the guts to bring the fantasy

> universe in real existence which was also used as a platform for

> spiritual activities. What wrong in that ? He was a real great person,

> is my personal view. But it would be foolishness of course to compare

> him with the spiritual saints and the likes, because he was a man of

> this world, practical as well as ethereal. So criticism must not come

> with comparisons with the spiritual giants, but criticise him on what

> he was and what he was not. I would still prefer that one must look at

> the positive sides of anybody, since negative is there in almost

> everybody so whom does one co-relate to if one starts looking at

> negativity in everybody around ?

>

>

> Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Again a beautiful post! You said my heart - but is as undaring as myself!

Ha...Ha...

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,

>

> India needs another Rajneesh. After he left us, I felt a void and very

> sad at the genius the world will have to live without. I decided that

> time to become one. But I joined astrology as the journey of Life took

> me on this path. But that desire still remains in me. To become a

> Rajneesh and spread the fragrance of Indianness all around at the same

> time merge with the major gratification of what the world over desires,

> and to give a discourse without having to fear of the effects of using a

> bad word, or being brutally frank in the dispensions of my thoughts.

> The public world over now does not need a Gandhi or a Forgiving Jesus.

> They need a real man who understands what they want, and what do they

> want these days ? They require both Material and also Spiritual.

> Rajneesh had the forevision to realise this half a century ago. I wish I

> receive Orders someday from the Lord to leave Jyotishi, and then I will

> not fear of turning a little off the track or walking on the untrodden

> paths, but give all what they want, straight and without mincing words

> or actions.

>

> They all need more than ever , material as well as Spiritual

> gratifications. None of these less or more. Yes the world is fast

> turning spiritual, but no one wishes to leave the material, and why

> should they ? We must remain in this without it being in us.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv ji, //> Rajneesh wore a Rado watch not for his affinity towards luxury but because simply his followers gave it to him.// It could well be that he Rado watches as well. The same could be true about his love for perfect driving in smoth luxuary cars, love for precious stones etc as well. Why comaflaugue things?* Krishna loved play the flute and drive the chariot and had many wives - should I be bothered because of that?* Christ loved to drick wine - should I be bothered because of that?* Ramakrishna and Vivekananda loved to smoke and ate fish - should I be bothered because of that?* Mahaveera almost never too bath it is said - should I be botherd because of that?* Buddha left his wife and chil behind and was reluctant accept ladies as saints - should I be bothered because of that? I believe all these are none of my business, and I am satisfied with the great wisdom they share with me and thankful for the same towards them. If I love to swim and make a swimming pool for the same in my home, should that be thing of concern to my astrology students? When will we be growing up and would start to look beyond and start respecting the individual freedom - I wonder! Why we associate our stupid concept of 'untouched, unaffected by anything' the concpet of 'deatachedness', our charicature model for 'sanyasi (saint)' with the truly enlightened people? Are they supposed to fit into our low standard mental models and moulds? What right I have to say that a sage shouldn't have a wife? Is it that just to get our stupid respect the 'sage should start acting detachment towards life and leave his wife'? Or is it that he should follow his own innersound and if feels that whether with family or not he would be in conciousness always - there is no harm in letting it remain so? Do you think that even the great sages like Vasishtra's and Yajnavalkya's life enough to teach us this truth? The point is - we have NO RIGHT to 'expect' that the enlightened ones should behave so and so; actually it will never be so! Let us not imitate the life habits of the enlightened ones, but only the wisdom they imparted to us. Love and regards,Sreenadh , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:>> Rajneesh wore a Rado watch not for his affinity towards luxury but because simply his followers gave it to him. To have aversion for it would be similar to have affinity for it.> His interpretation of the various scriptures are to be read. They are perhaps the only work by modern day mystic of India on Indian scriptures.> He openly mentions that his job is to shock you from your sleep/ slumber.> He said instesd of preaching to poor, better to feed them cause only on well fed stomach will he think on God.> Same thing about his views on Sex. He said if I tell you to abstain it will draw your mind towards it. Then you will not think of God. Let you get over it and then go to god.> He ridiculed most interpretations of religion and was thus " blasphamous ".> His explanations will be read for centuries to come.> Wrong to judge him by what he wore or what his followers interpreted.> > Chiranjiv Mehta

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

//You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that time or so common

as of today.//

 

I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990. The first reported

case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started working in clinical microbiology in

1994. That time, we worked only on TB and HIV. I was part of an active research

on HIV in India. I myself reported three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it

was widespread in the 80's itself. The organism was identified and major

research was completed in 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a

french and a US group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the

recognition went to the French group.

 

// In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper sex. Women

dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of reasons. The men folk are

into pooja and day to day duties but deprived of the pleasures which are

rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the men nor the women. But living such a

Life where one cant express himself to his partner what he wants, and every

private affair and rendezvou becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//

 

The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond " sex " . It needs deeper

understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children, without sex? Sex is

meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings had many wives, for the

sake of family), that is the law, when it is exchanged for pleasure, the society

changes to something else... this is well known. So the choice is always open,

you marry for a family or you marry just for pleasure- no family

 

 

//Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but allowed legally to

remain just for social reputation and family status. The husbands and wives live

like complete strangers in their bedrooms and meet probably once a month on the

physical level for formality, just because it has to be finished with. Out of

ridicule, fear and ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what

they miss in their lives and what they want.//

 

This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which is falling. True,

we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis, rishyasringas,kunti-putras etc

 

// Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself old.

He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can

pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not

handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//

 

Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do. White women are

easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to experiment everything.

(Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you are like Dev Anand, you

can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the role of a spiritual Baba and

wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours, you can see 400 women line up after

you. Wish you good luck!!!! But after experimentation, they will go away. Be

careful.

 

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunilji,

 

You guessed it right. He was a very knowledgeable person. The organisation went out of his hand in the sense that he could not see and control everything that his organisation did. Moreover he was very sick towards the end of his life.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 4/30/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ? Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:27 PM

 

 

 

 

dear bhagavathi ji

what i can understand and gather is osho has no involvement with that salmonella attack nor he is involved in any conspiracies .it was a western (CIA)conspiracy planted in osho ashram ,tru what they called sanyasi secret service ,still they r using same method of infiltrating into many big swamies ashrams and they r knowingly or unknowingly under their shadow and many things r get done tru it and they r utilising some blind faith happend to disciple's of those Gurus .

Osho was a threat to church ,as it has got its own expansiv progrmes where as most of his disciple's are frm church and west .

even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick .

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "bhagavathi_ hariharan" <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:>> Dear all,> > I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.> > //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this discussion//> > Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled "The cobra event" by Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later"> > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunilji,

 

 

//even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all

trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav

injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick //

 

he was not let off easily. He had paid huge sum of money as fine for violating

immigration law etc, etc. I found a link on him. You can read. there are many

pictures of him as well. He had used nitrous oxide for his sickness. Nitrous

Oxide is the other name for laughing gas.

 

http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html

 

 

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

dear sunil bhattacharjya ji

 

sure ,this is true with Osho and the fight between some female sisyas to take over his ashram also resulted in lot of problems and i heard one Ma anand sheela was the cheif conspirater who planted even bugs in every room of ashram in oregon .

But she also escaped all punishmnts and trails but i dont know how ?

 

rgrds sunil nair

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > You guessed it right. He was a very knowledgeable person. The organisation went out of his hand in the sense that he could not see and control everything that his organisation did. Moreover he was very sick towards the end of his life.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?> > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > dear bhagavathi ji > what i can understand and gather is osho has no involvement with that salmonella attack nor he is involved in any conspiracies .it was a western (CIA)conspiracy planted in osho ashram ,tru what they called sanyasi secret service ,still they r using same method of infiltrating into many big swamies ashrams and they r knowingly or unknowingly under their shadow and many things r get done tru it and they r utilising some blind faith happend to disciple's of those Gurus .> Osho was a threat to church ,as it has got its own expansiv progrmes where as most of his disciple's are frm church and west .> even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick .> > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "bhagavathi_ hariharan" <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:> >> > Dear all,> > > > I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.> > > > //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this discussion//> > > > Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled "The cobra event" by Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later"> > > > > > Regards,> > bhagavathi> >>

[Guest guest]

//Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do. White

women are

easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to experiment everything.

(Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you are like Dev

Anand, you

can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the role of a spiritual Baba

and

wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours, you can see 400 women line

up after

you. Wish you good luck!!!! But after experimentation, they will go

away. Be

careful. ?? //

 

That was continous laughter for me.

 

For me Indian women are the most beautiful ones. Nothing to beat them.

I dont have to be careful because I steer myself away from such matters

..

 

Marriage for procreation actually just remains in books, and very rarely

people marry for that these days. That cannot be for times have changed.

 

I like your ideas on how to become a Spiritual Baba and began from the

airport. Maybe you can become my assistant and we can start working

together to amass millions.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

dear Bhagavathi ji

 

//he was not let off easily. He had paid huge sum of money as fine for violatingimmigration law etc, etc///////////

Is poisoning ppl is not a serious crime but immigration law is big crime in US

///I found a link on him. You can read. there are manypictures of him as well. He had used nitrous oxide for his sickness. NitrousOxide is the other name for laughing gas.//////

 

spirituality and realisation and everything related to spiritual progress has its own pit falls ,so begin ur journey by reading both sides read both arguemnts and come to ur own opinion .Here all this can work as a catalyst only .We r digging gold not mud so 2 tonnes of mud has may b has one gram gold or more ,which one we select is our choice

In the end we r not worried abt even who is osho /budha /or mahavira we r after the truth and truth can shine own its own way .

i reserv my comments

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > > //even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick //> > he was not let off easily. He had paid huge sum of money as fine for violating immigration law etc, etc. I found a link on him. You can read. there are many pictures of him as well. He had used nitrous oxide for his sickness. Nitrous Oxide is the other name for laughing gas. > > http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html> > > > bhagavathi>