Kala Sarpa in real force

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Dear Bhaskar ji,The details are as follows.11-11 -1955, 16:35 hrs., 74*N53', 12* N 52'. Hope this will suffice.Regards,Anita--- On Thu, 22/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Kala Sarpa in real force Date: Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 2:14 PM

 

Dear Anita ji,

// ketu in vrishabha, guru in leo, kuja and chandra in kanya, ravi,shani and budha in thula, shukra and rahu in vrishchika, lagna in aries. You see, except a 4th house aspect guru casts on vrishchika, ( if that is of any consequence since guru aspects, 5th, 7th and 9th houses) none of the other planets actually aspect each other. //

 

A birth date and time of Birth place with location of Birth would help further to analyse this.

 

// Incidentally, I read in an article on the net that people with kala sarpa yoga are reincarnations of children who were sacrificed at the altar of the gods at the age of 12 during medieval times. The children, I believe were made aware of the fact right from early childhood that they will be sacrificed when the time came for the betterment of the community and this got ingrained in their psyche so deeply that they carried forward this feeling of having to sacrifice themselves in their future reincarnations too. //

 

This is kinda wierd . God only knows whether this really the truth.

 

// I know atleast 6 people with this kala sarpa yoga and surprise of surprises, they all have a need to throw themselves heart and soul in to one thing or the other. It may be a cause, a political one, social one, personal one, but they do sort of "go all out over", you know sort of "die for", sort of "kill themselves over", "go overboard" with something or the other, does not matter what. It may be a ordinary cause or a lofty one. //

 

Yes this seems possible and palatable.

// Perhaps we should do a survey about this.//

 

I have got better work. But no harm for a research bent of mind. This type of reasearch is much needed for the day with people coming out with many theories about Kala sarpa, some denying some confirming about its existence. Some myths are certainly needed to be broken, while others to be confirmed. This can happen if one can produce a research work with 50 authentic Charts of Kala sarpa Yoga.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> ketu in vrishabha, guru in leo, kuja and chandra in kanya, ravi,shani and budha in thula, shukra and rahu in vrishchika, lagna in aries. You see, except a 4th house aspect guru casts on vrishchika, ( if that is of any consequence since guru aspects, 5th, 7th and 9th houses) none of the other planets actually aspect each other.> Incidentally, I read in an article on the net that people with kala sarpa yoga are reincarnations of children who were sacrificed at the altar of the gods at the age of 12 during medieval times. The children, I believe were made aware of the fact right from early childhood that they will be sacrificed when the time came for the betterment of the community and this got ingrained in their psyche so deeply that they carried forward this feeling of having to sacrifice themselves in their

future reincarnations too. I know atleast 6 people with this kala sarpa yoga and surprise of surprises, they all have a need to throw themselves heart and soul in to one thing or the other. It may be a cause, a political one, social one, personal one, but they do sort of "go all out over", you know sort of "die for", sort of "kill themselves over", "go overboard" with something or the other, does not matter what. It may be a ordinary cause or a lofty one.> Perhaps we should do a survey about this.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Kala Sarpa in real force> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 8:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Anita ji,> > > > One with good intelligence cannot exactly even explain why he is having> > a headache, or why he is unhappy in Life, which requires no technical> > education, the how can astrologers be expected to answer every query> > coming out of the blue, with satisfaction ? Thats just not possible.> > There is a limit to knowledge acquired by humans, and even more limit to> > a individuals acquired knowledge.> > > > But please give me a example of the chart configurations given by you,> > with a date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. Lt us talk> > on facts and figures and see if we arrive at some conclusion and> > consensus..> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ ..>> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Bhaskar ji,> > > this is a question which none of the astrologers have been able to> > satisfactorily answer. When a person has a kalasarpa yoga and if you> > exclude rahu and ketu and find that none of the 7 planets actually> > aspect each other, being in 4 consecutive houses, what impact would it> > have on the person? what would be the implications of this arrangement> > of planets.?> > > Thanking you,> > > With regards,> > > Anita>

 

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Please find my reply below.

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:17:44 PM Re: Kala Sarpa in real force

 

Greetings Roshan,I have few questions -1) what is kala sarpa Yoga ?

Rahu and Ketu are regarded as Chhaya grah and if they blanket all the other planets between them this forms a kal sarpa yoga. There are 12 different type of combinations based on the positioning of R & H in the houses, the one I have i guess is called patki K/S yoga.2) is there anything known as Partial kalasarpa Yoga ?

In some books and articles i have read that if one of the planets is out of the axix yet in the close proximity this forms a partial KSY. I do not remember it with surity but Mr. Chidambaram and Mhd. Azaharuddin may fall in this category.3) What has been your experience with kalaSarpa Yoga natives, as anastrologer/student/ Master (??) and as a holder of this same Yoga inYour own Chart.I believe...

1. The success come to me unexpectedly and when i take it easy...it does come when i try really hard...but then i need to try double the efort as compared to others.

2. It has given me a never say die attitude...i am a born crusader and will not give up when stand for a cause...

3. For years, this belief has affected me that my talents are kind of supresed so i need to try harder...

4. I have done shanti pooja at Tryambkeshwar temple in Nasik.

I hope it helps to draw some parallels.

 

regards

 

Roshan

 

 

best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, rossin ucile<kandisa_ur@ ...> wrote:>> Greetings to all!!!>> I have "Kapsarpa" yoga in my birth chart and would like to be part ofthe discussions.> I may not necessarily agree cent percent to the theory of"sacrificing" one self but yes the people with this yoga I have seen are"passionate" about one thing or the other.>> Would love to answer a questionnaire/ questions. ..if you want to takethis exercise further.>> Regards>> Roshan>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Anita R ash.rsh55@.. .> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:24:02 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Kala Sarpa in real force>>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> ketu in vrishabha, guru in leo, kuja and chandra in kanya, ravi,shaniand budha in thula, shukra and rahu in vrishchika, lagna in aries. Yousee, except a 4th house aspect guru casts on vrishchika, ( if that is ofany consequence since guru aspects, 5th, 7th and 9th houses) none of theother planets actually aspect each other.> Incidentally, I read in an article on the net that people with kalasarpa yoga are reincarnations of children who were sacrificed at thealtar of the gods at the age of 12 during medieval times. The children,I believe were made aware of the fact right from early childhood thatthey will be

sacrificed when the time came for the betterment of thecommunity and this got ingrained in their psyche so deeply that theycarried forward this feeling of having to sacrifice themselves in theirfuture reincarnations too. I know atleast 6 people with this kala sarpayoga and surprise of surprises, they all have a need to throw themselvesheart and soul in to one thing or the other. It may be a cause, apolitical one, social one, personal one, but they do sort of "go all outover", you know sort of "die for", sort of "kill themselves over", "gooverboard" with something or the other, does not matter what. It may bea ordinary cause or a lofty one.> Perhaps we should do a survey about this.> Regards,> Anita>

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Dear Anitha,

 

I have prepared the chart as per 74'. 53 " E Longitude.

 

Another point is that Jupiter does not aspect 4th house from its

position, or Vrischika here .

 

Yes, Saturn does cast its 10th house aspect on Guru.

 

This chart is full of troubles , till the end, I am sorry tosay, if this

belongs to someone related to you.

 

Health problems, marriage compatibility problems, most of the times,

also financial problems, setbacks in Life etc.

 

I do not see the Kalasarpa Yoga turning the native to a great person

here.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Anita R <ash.rsh55

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> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> The details are as follows.

> 11-11 -1955, 16:35 hrs., 74*N53', 12* N 52'. Hope this will

suffice.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Thu, 22/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: Kala Sarpa in real force

>

> Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 2:14 PM

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Dear Anita ji,

> //Â ketu in vrishabha, guru in leo, kuja and chandra in kanya,

ravi,shani and budha in thula, shukra and rahu in vrishchika, lagna in

aries. You see, except a 4th house aspect guru casts on vrishchika, ( if

that is of any consequence since guru aspects, 5th, 7th and 9th houses)

none of the other planets actually aspect each other. //

> Â

> A birth date and time of Birth place with location of Birth would help

further to analyse this.

> Â

>

> // Incidentally, I read in an article on the net that people with kala

sarpa yoga are reincarnations of children who were sacrificed at the

altar of the gods at the age of 12 during medieval times. The children,

I believe were made aware of the fact right from early childhood that

they will be sacrificed when the time came for the betterment of the

community and this got ingrained in their psyche so deeply that they

carried forward this feeling of having to sacrifice themselves in their

future reincarnations too. //

> Â

> This is kinda wierd . God only knows whether this really the truth.

> Â

> // I know atleast 6 people with this kala sarpa yoga and surprise of

surprises, they all have a need to throw themselves heart and soul in to

one thing or the other. It may be a cause, a political one, social one,

personal one, but they do sort of " go all out over " , you know sort of

" die for " , sort of " kill themselves over " , " go overboard " with something

or the other, does not matter what. It may be a ordinary cause or a

lofty one. //

> Â

> Yes this seems possible and palatable.

>

> // Â Perhaps we should do a survey about this.//

> Â

> I have got better work. But no harm for a research bent of mind.

This type of reasearch is much needed for the day with people coming out

with many theories about Kala sarpa, some denying some confirming about

its existence. Some myths are certainly needed to be broken, while

others to be confirmed. This can happen if one can produce a research

work with 50 authentic Charts of Kala sarpa Yoga.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

> Â

> Â

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@

..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > ketu in vrishabha, guru in leo, kuja and chandra in kanya,

ravi,shani and budha in thula, shukra and rahu in vrishchika, lagna in

aries. You see, except a 4th house aspect guru casts on vrishchika, ( if

that is of any consequence since guru aspects, 5th, 7th and 9th houses)

none of the other planets actually aspect each other.

> > Incidentally, I read in an article on the net that people with kala

sarpa yoga are reincarnations of children who were sacrificed at the

altar of the gods at the age of 12 during medieval times. The children,

I believe were made aware of the fact right from early childhood that

they will be sacrificed when the time came for the betterment of the

community and this got ingrained in their psyche so deeply that they

carried forward this feeling of having to sacrifice themselves in their

future reincarnations too. I know atleast 6 people with this kala sarpa

yoga and surprise of surprises, they all have a need to throw themselves

heart and soul in to one thing or the other. It may be a cause, a

political one, social one, personal one, but they do sort of " go all out

over " , you know sort of " die for " , sort of " kill themselves over " , " go

overboard " with something or the other, does not matter what. It may be

a ordinary cause or a lofty one.

> > Perhaps we should do a survey about this.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Kala Sarpa in real force

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 8:13 AM

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> > Dear Anita ji,

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> > One with good intelligence cannot exactly even explain why he is

having

> >

> > a headache, or why he is unhappy in Life, which requires no

technical

> >

> > education, the how can astrologers be expected to answer every query

> >

> > coming out of the blue, with satisfaction ? Thats just not possible.

> >

> > There is a limit to knowledge acquired by humans, and even more

limit to

> >

> > a individuals acquired knowledge.

> >

> >

> >

> > But please give me a example of the chart configurations given by

you,

> >

> > with a date of birth, time of birth and the place of birth. Lt us

talk

> >

> > on facts and figures and see if we arrive at some conclusion and

> >

> > consensus.

> >

> >

> >

> > regards,

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> > Bhaskar.

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> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R

ash.rsh55@ ..>

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> > wrote:

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> > > Respected Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > > this is a question which none of the astrologers have been able to

> >

> > satisfactorily answer. When a person has a kalasarpa yoga and if you

> >

> > exclude rahu and ketu and find that none of the 7 planets actually

> >

> > aspect each other, being in 4 consecutive houses, what impact would

it

> >

> > have on the person? what would be the implications of this

arrangement

> >

> > of planets.?

> >

> > > Thanking you,

> >

> > > With regards,

> >

> > > Anita

> >

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Sorry for the naive one - is Kala Sarpa Yoga the same as Sarpa Dosha? If not, how is the latter known?

 

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Dear Roshanji,

 

Thanks for the honest reply.

 

I am sure it shall draw paralells and some few may have the courage to

accept the KSY in their charts, the difficulties they met, and the

subsequent success they achieved after hard efforts.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

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its the same Dosha, or carries a part of the same dosha, or is given a

new name as the KSY after decades of times passing through.

 

I have posted a earlier mail to this effect a fortnight back with

references.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, ShankaraBharadwaj

Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

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> Sorry for the naive one - is Kala Sarpa Yoga the same as Sarpa Dosha?

If not, how is the latter known?

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Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, No, they are not. The following message could be helpful: /message/4231Love and regards,Sreenadh , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> Sorry for the naive one - is Kala Sarpa Yoga the same as Sarpa Dosha? If not, how is the latter known?>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

From the message:

 

"2-Sarpa Sapa or Sarpa Dosha (Serpent Curse)----------There could be many Yogas in a horoscope that indicate the curse ofSerpent gods or serpents. The text pransamarga deals with this indetails and the various combinations indicating Sarpa Dosha is verypopular in south indian astrology."

Yes this is the one I am referring to. Any data on how to infer this from a lagna chart?

 

I tend to agree with what Bhaskar ji said, but in the opposite way: the dosha part of KSY is also a "Sarpa" Dosha, and its best nivritti lies in pleasing Jatavedasi Durga/Durga Sukta.

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:57:36 AM Re: Kala Sarpa in real force

 

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, No, they are not. The following message could be helpful: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 4231Love and regards,Sreenadh

 

 

 

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I would agree to this!!! I believe in constant evolution of world and

even though the ancient texts are comprehensive, we should not leave

any stone unturned in our journey, saying that it does not exist in

the texts...

 

Indeed, some part of life for the " jatak " is more challenging than

others but it also provides the robust will to over come this...

I would summerize 3 most common characteristics of this yoga as:

 

1. Delay- Hurdles

2. Constant restlessness

3. Excellent acumen and pasion for a field or a cause

 

How do all of you think if we can make a list of 10 famous people

from all walks of life and compare the characteristics?

 

I would suggest:

 

Rekha/Smita Patil

Pt. Nehru or Indira Gandhi

 

 

Regards

 

Roshan

 

 

 

, " vikas "

<vikkasjindal wrote:

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> Respected Bhaskar Ji and other gurus ,

>

>

>

> Namaskar,

>

>

>

> I am a student of Astrology.

>

> I believe Kala Sarpa yoga gives effects in jatak's life.

>

> I think this is an extended form of " Papa Katri " yoga.

>

> And maybe in ancient time it was not appeared because people are

not so

> materialistic and don't do sins of quality.

>

> And maybe Shri K. N. Rao denies this yoga because he wants to save

peoples

> from greedy astrologers.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vikas

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dear Indian ocean, I agree with you that the 3 characteristics summed up by you hold good for the 6 kalasarpa people I personally know. All of them are excellent human being tho. I believe a person's greatness does not lie in his /her materialistic successes but by how much he/she has given. And all the people I know are great givers. They have given , given and given. Of course all KSY people are not givers. Some of the other KSY people are, Franz Kafka, Harry Truman, Hitler, Christian Dior. Incidentally, Indira Gandhi does not have KSY according to the horoscope of hers ( supposedly hers) which I have. But Nehru does. Regards, Anita.--- On Fri, 23/1/09, IndianOcean <kandisa_ur

wrote:IndianOcean <kandisa_ur Re:Kala Sarpa in real force Date: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 AM

 

I would agree to this!!! I believe in constant evolution of world and

even though the ancient texts are comprehensive, we should not leave

any stone unturned in our journey, saying that it does not exist in

the texts...

 

Indeed, some part of life for the "jatak" is more challenging than

others but it also provides the robust will to over come this...

I would summerize 3 most common characteristics of this yoga as:

 

1. Delay- Hurdles

2. Constant restlessness

3. Excellent acumen and pasion for a field or a cause

 

How do all of you think if we can make a list of 10 famous people

from all walks of life and compare the characteristics?

 

I would suggest:

 

Rekha/Smita Patil

Pt. Nehru or Indira Gandhi

 

Regards

 

Roshan

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "vikas"

<vikkasjindal@ ...> wrote:

>

> Respected Bhaskar Ji and other gurus ,

>

>

>

> Namaskar,

>

>

>

> I am a student of Astrology.

>

> I believe Kala Sarpa yoga gives effects in jatak's life.

>

> I think this is an extended form of "Papa Katri" yoga.

>

> And maybe in ancient time it was not appeared because people are

not so

> materialistic and don't do sins of quality.

>

> And maybe Shri K. N. Rao denies this yoga because he wants to save

peoples

> from greedy astrologers.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vikas

 

 

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