Which Ascendant is best?

December 23, 2008

Dear Mr. Bohra ji,

You have not understood my point clearly. It is NOT same 1.5-2hrs

everywhere....... as you go up in the latitude, the raising lagna

changes within 24 mins and in nights the some lagnas take 3 hr or more

to change. That is why some countries have Jingoism prominent in their

culture unlike India which is near to equator.

You need to get data of westerners, then you will find/observe that

certain percentage of people are born during certain period of day -

hence the tatwa principle comes into picture - which is used in birth

time rectification.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

December 23, 2008

Dear Bohra Ji,

All the ascendants are good and the best :

aries ; bal se jaan lo

taurus: ksham se jaan lo

mithun: buddhi se jaan lo

cancer: man se jaan lo

leo : vivek se jaan lo

Virgo:

libra: sukh se jaan lo

scorpio

sag: gyan se jaan lo

capricorn : nahi to dukh se jaan lo

jaanna to tumko hai he jis terah se jaan lo.

The journey to know ur self will be completed watever way u want to

know HIM.The ascendant is an indication to realise urself.

rgds

kumar

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear All membran,

>

> I would like to know your practical opinion about our basic of

> astrology,The Lagana.Some member will feel it waste of time but we

> will learn from our experienced and learned members about it.

>

> May i request ,to you all, to share your knowledge and experiences

> with others for revive the base of Astrology.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

December 23, 2008

Dear Bohra ji,

==>

> You have differentiate the best Car's on the basis of Ascendant. How

> can you comes to this conclusion, Just by Ascendant!

<==

May be you got it wrong. Neelam ji was pointing to the fact

that every SIGN can signify something as usual and simple like a 'Car', but the

minute details differ, but the point to be noted is that - "It cannot be

said that which car is better or which one is worse - it all depends on the

personal choices'. For a sage saint hood is great, but for a worldly family

man, it is a curse. A true sage loves to be a sage, and a true father/mother

loves to be at home with his/her family. It is all personal choices. It

CANNOT be told that whether sainthood or family life is greater than the other.

Both saintly life and worldly life can become a tool to enlightenment and

satisfaction.

==>

> Now when I will question you about the House, you will see the 4th lord

> and his characteristics. Placement also but first lord of the house

> will decide the nature of or type of house.

<==

As mentioned above, you missed the point Neelam ji was trying to convey

and there for the argument is going tangential.

==>

> Now I will share with you my other observation, Libra person most of

> the time younger child not eldest(you will say it is wrong, just recall

> Libra charts in your mind ) one and they are benefited by elder

> brother or sister, directly or indirectly. So what are the reason, Sun is

> lord of 11th house and Sun gives energy to all, Due to 11th is

> benefice(Labha) and Libra person have Sun as 11th lord?

<==

Do you want to argue that Libra is the best lagna?!! If so I

encourage such an argument and would like to invite 11 more people to argue

that the other 11 signs are better than Libra. (Such an argument can ofcourse

reveal much knowledge). I will stand for Virgo - since my Lagna is Virgo. :=)

==>

> So many times a child teach us a very serious lesson which we forget

> so many year ago, so please become a child to share you experiences

> with other child.

<==

That is just a reaction and defense...... just because of

the fact that you felt offended by the words - "I think it is absurd to

talk like that. It is behaving like a child,..." etc put forward by Neelam

ji. So nothing special in those arguments or advice.

==>

> 'Om' is so auspicious to us, am i right?

<==

Hmmm...That depends.... Om is auspicious if only it resonates from

inside...Om is auspicious if only it is no more a mere sound... Om is auspicious

if only it is understood....

Om is not auspicious if recited without understanding..... Om is not auspicious

if it is just a sound... Even Upanishad speak about dogs going round the alter

reciting Om..Om... etc - pointing to the same concept.

Vegetarianism is good if followed by one who understands it. If

just by being a vegetarian someone can go to heaven - all the cows and goats might

have been in heaven by now. If mere slow breath was enough to become

enlightened - all the tortoise and elephants might have been enlightened by

now!! Hope you see the point.

==>

> It all become so serious, take it lightly .'Zoor ka dhaka dhire se

lage"

<==

Again an agitated reaction! Let us take it lightly.

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Neelamji> > You have differentiate the best Car's on the basis of Ascendant.How> can you comes to this conclusion,Just by Ascendant!> Now when I will question you about the House,you will see the 4th lord> and his characteristics.Placement also but first lord of the house> will decide the nature of or type of house.> > Now I will share with you my other observation,Libra person most of> the time younger child not eldest(you will say it is wrong,just recall> Libra charts in your mind ) one and they are benefited by elder> brother or sister,directly or indirectly.So what are the reason,Sun is> lord of 11th house and Sun gives energy to all,Due to 11th is> benefice(Labha) and Libra person have Sun as 11th lord?> > In this regard my question is which Ascendant you find most benefice> to a native/Just forget planetary position and other factors,you have> gone through so many chart,just say which Ascendant people are getting> best in common.You have to predict by only Ascendant,no any planetary> position.> > So many times a child teach us a very serious lesson which we forget> so many year ago,so please become a child to share you experiences> with other child.> > Definitely "N" is very beautiful alphabet,our two most beautiful> actress are 'Nargis' and 'Nadira' both are so beautiful but play> different in Filmy role.Alphabets also have different> characteristics,when a name come in our mind we imagine accordingly> (firstly) without seeing him.> > 'Om' is so auspicious to us,am i right?> > It all become so serious,take it lightly .'Zoor ka dhaka dhire se lage"> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bohra ji,> > > > People with different signs were asked about what car they would like to> > own.> > > > These were the answers:> > > > Aries: Something fast... and red!> > Taurus: A volvo> > Gemini: Car? you mean two cars.> > Cancer: A family car> > Leo: A limo.. with a chauffeur> > Virgo: An economic car. Virgo will have it clean and neat and ready> to drive> > everyone everywhere.> > Libra: Will not be able to make a choice and will end up riding with> > friends.> > Scoprio: something in a dark color.. fumed windows. No one will know> what it> > looks like inside> > Sagiattrius: What car? The Sag is on a plane right now.> > Capricorn: A mercedes benz..> > Aquarius: The waterbearer takes buses and subways. Cars are for snobby> > people.> > Pisces: Doesn't matter. Pisces will always be too stoned to remember the> > parking spot.> > > > Which is the best reply? I thought they were all sweet and nice and and> > obviously, to each his own…> > > > How can ascendants be good, better and best? For that matter how can any> > chart be weighed and put into degrees of goodness? Who is the judge? And> > what are the parameters?> > > > I think it is absurd to talk like that. It is behaving like a child,> who has> > only seen only a book of alphabets, saying 'N' is the best alphabet! Why> > 'N'? My name starts with it silly, ha ha! The child laughs.> > > > Please don't mind, just sharing some fun. I might've missed the depth in> > your question.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> >>

December 23, 2008

Dear Bhagavati ji, ==>I do not criticize your thoughts about the "best lagna". Astrology is

a vast subject, it is completly open for research. ......................................................................................................

Please carry on with your research, you may find so many things. A

lot of times, astrologers develop their skills by researching on

their own.<== True - Well said! Even though the ultimate fact that should come to light is that - "No sign is particularly good or bad as Lagna", the line of thought as presented by Bohra ji can teach us all several new lessons and become a good subject for detailed discussion, if there are enough people to argue in favor of each ascendent. Therefore I would love to support Bohra ji for starting such a discussion. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh

December 23, 2008

Dear Mr. Bohra ji,

As the Longitude and Latitude moves away from equator, the lagna time

change from average 1.5-2.0 hrs to less than 30 minutes i.e. Days are

shorter and nights are longer. In some countries, days are less than

3-4 hrs during some part of year i.e. 6 lagnas change within 3-4

hrs....from conventional 12hr day/night cycle, so do the duration.

I have once posted the table after doing calculations.... do not

remember under what topic...should be in archives.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

December 23, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,Thanks for your wise intervention and taking pains to elaborate on what I meant. This was done wonderfully.I am sorry if I sounded rude. It was the question which sounded absurd and childish and I still feel it is, not Bohra ji himself. My apologies to him

I also concede that we have much to learn from this discussion on different lagnas, but with my little understanding, I fail to see how can we be judgmental about them and say who is the best.If we insist on seeing in this perspective only, first we must define what we are looking for. You are walking with an objective of reaching somewhere, but get lost in enjoying the scenery? Jaate the japaan pahunch gaye cheen... (though India was discovered like that, but that is in the eyes of west). Pick up 100 from the Forbes list and see which lagna is most common, if money is the best. ..fix an objective first?

Please define " best " and let all agree on that, then we can have any conclusive discussion on this.Hope I am clear.RegardsNeelam

December 23, 2008

Dear Friends,

I will agree here with what Neelamji has written -

// I am sorry if I sounded rude. It was the question which sounded absurd and childish and I still feel it is, not Bohra ji himself //

Even I feel the same about this question. If it was coming from a new comer then it would be palatable . But if it comes from a person whom we already know has some knowledge, such as Mr. Bohra ji, then it certainly looks very absurd and without any meaning, unless he wishes to bring out something important from this discussion, which I do not apparently percieve as happenning. Except that as Shri Sreenadhji said, we can discoversom new facets on other aspects of astrology, but the conclusion of this discussion with the objective initiated in mind, is a foreknown conclusion.Somebody also used a word " time pass" which also I wholly agree.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

December 23, 2008

Yes, that is what I meant. That is why I said, let us agree on what is best... for there is no agreement on that! Unless and until there is a global consensus and based on some parameters, the best are picked up (if the polls are not rigged!). Then we may examine their charts for which ascendant they belong to.

Thanks for sharing.Neelam2008/12/23 S.C. Kursija <sckursija

Respected Neelam gupta,

I agree with you. But the best is also a relative word. What is best for me may not be best for you. I feel that every thing is good or bad in relatively. One may like to have name, fame and wealth in material world and one may like to have peace of mind in spiritual world. I feel that we should see the chart as a whole such as strength of kendra and trikona etc not only the part of it i.e. his character and personality also. The beauty is not only eyes or hairs but her gait, size of her waist, breast, height and manners also contribute towards her beauty. So please examine the horoscope as a whole.

with love and regars--- On Tue, 12/23/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Which Ascendant is best?

Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 12:57 PM

Dear Sreenadh ji,Thanks for your wise intervention and taking pains to elaborate on what I meant. This was done wonderfully.I am sorry if I sounded rude. It was the question which sounded absurd and childish and I still feel it is, not Bohra ji himself. My apologies to him

I also concede that we have much to learn from this discussion on different lagnas, but with my little understanding, I fail to see how can we be judgmental about them and say who is the best.If we insist on seeing in this perspective only, first we must define what we are looking for. You are walking with an objective of reaching somewhere, but get lost in enjoying the scenery? Jaate the japaan pahunch gaye cheen... (though India was discovered like that, but that is in the eyes of west). Pick up 100 from the Forbes list and see which lagna is most common, if money is the best. ..fix an objective first?

Please define " best " and let all agree

on that, then we can have any conclusive discussion on this.Hope I am clear.RegardsNeelam

December 23, 2008

Dear Bhagavathi ji and Bohra Ji

My first son is Libra Lagna and he is really the eldest son

of mine - Thanks to God, no mishap before I had him.

Regards to all

Smitha

December 23, 2008

Dear all members,

Here is a reference of Sh.B.V.Raman's 'Jatak Nirnay',lesson No.3 topic

is " Aayu Ka Nirdharan " .I will take three Ascendant from this lesson

for as an example.

Rashi(Of lagana) Mraka

Tula(Libra) Brahpati(Jupiter)

Kumbha(Aquarius) Mangal(Mars)

Meena(Pisces) Mercury,Venus and Saturn

What will do a Marka planet to the native,by their combination with

other planet,by their placement and by their respective Dasa as

MD,AD,PD,PD(Pran)?

Libra & Aquarius people have only one planet as Marka where Pisces

have three planets.Pisces person will suffer by three where other two

person will suffer by only one planet.Than which Ascendant will you

choose for betterment to receive good result by all Dasa period?

If every Ascendant is best than why Pisces have three planets as

Marka?This person will get bad result by three planets Dasa and other

will by only one.Can you justify ,all Ascendant are best,beauty is in

the eye,the absurd question, as like child.

" Best " means have the more qualities than others in all respect.Which

produced maximum benefice by Dasa,by combination or by placement.If a

Ascendant have more Yog-Karka planets through Ascendant among all

Ascendants,it will be best Ascendant.We have 12 Ascendant as per Rashi

sign.

I have stated Marka,now for best Ascendant we choose better

results,more better Dasa period,more Yog-Karka combination,etc.

I have put this question to get best outcome or some best contribution

but very sad,nobody have got my point of view.every body is engage to

complimenting for good post to each other only.

Can I repeat my question again?

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

December 23, 2008

Dear Bohra ji,

Your basic argument is like this -

1) Libra has only Jupiter as Maaraka- so Libra is a best Lagna.

2) Aquarius has only Mars as Maaraka - so Aquarius is also a

best Lagna

3) Pisces has 3 Maraka planets viz. Mercury,Venus and Saturn - so

Pisces is a bad sign.

Hmm.... A bad argument I would say. Why I will explain.

1) Libra has only Jupiter as Maaraka

This is not true. Note the following points -

* Libra has 2 Maaraka planets

viz. 2nd lord Jupiter, 7th lord Mars.

* Mars is not a major maaraka

(even though a maaraka) as per Jataka Chandrika, since the Maarakatva decreases

if a malefic owns a kendra sign (here 7th). Thus the point is - Libra has a

single major Maaraka (Jupitor) and a minor maaraka (Mars) - but essentially got

2 marakas for sure.

* Chitra, Swati and Vaisakha

are the stars falling in Libra. Thus Mars and Jupitor Dasa will happen for sure

for Chitra and Jupitor Dasa will happen for sure for Swati and Visakha. This is

bad, since the major result indicated by a Maaraka planet is the possibility of

an early death! [i am speaking about Lagna vimsottari]

2) Aquarius has only Mars as Maaraka

This is not true. Note the following points -

* Aquarius has 2 Maaraka

planets viz. 2nd lord Jupiter, 7th lord Sun.

* Sun is not a major maaraka

(even though a maaraka) as per Jataka Chandrika, since the Maarakatva decreases

if a malefic owns a kendra sign (here 7th). Thus the point is - Aquarius has a

single major Maaraka (Jupitor) and a minor maaraka (Sun) - but essentially got

2 marakas for sure.

* Dhanishta, Satabhishak,

Purva bhadrapada are the stars falling in Aquarius. Thus Jupitor Dasa will

happen for sure for all the 3 Nakshatras and Sun dasa may not happen for

all three. Early arrival of Jupiter dasa is bad, since the major result

indicated by a Maaraka planet is the possibility of an early death! [i am

speaking about Lagna vimsottari]

3) Pisces has 3 Maraka planets viz. Mercury,Venus and Saturn

This is not true. Note the following points -

* Only 2nd and 7th

lord should be considered as Maaraka as per Jataka Chandrika. Thus Pisces has

only 2 maarakas viz. Mars and Mercury. (From where you got the names of Venus

and Saturn I wonder!)

* Both Mars and Mercury

are Major marakas for Pisces Lagna - thus pisces essentially got 2 marakas

irself for sure.

* Poorva Bhadrapada, uttara

Bhadrapada, Revati are the stars falling in Libra. Thus Jupiter and

Mercury Dasa will happen for sure for Poorva Bhadrapada and Mercury Dasa will

happen for sure for Uttara Bhadrapada, and Revati. This is bad, since the major

result indicated by a Maaraka planet is the possibility of an early death! [i

am speaking about Lagna vimsottari]

Thus the questions is - did I find any major difference

regarding marka planets for all these signs? The answer is possibly No. Because

all the 3 Sings have exactly equal number of Maarakas i.e. Two each.

The point to rememeber is that - It is the 2nd and 7th lord which

are known as Maaraka planet as per classics and NONE OTHER! You seem to miss

this point. I don't want to comment on Raman if such a misunderstanding

is present in the book of Raman. Actually such mistakes is the basic

reason for this group NOT quotting any old scholers such as Raman, Santanam etc

(or even Rao or Rath etc) who might have committed numerous mistakes, but

rather depend on classics while discussing ancient indian nirayana astrology.

Note: As humans we too might commit

mistakes, so better depend on ancient classics and provide reference from

there, and depend on those sincere and dependable pillars of astrology.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear all members,> > Here is a reference of Sh.B.V.Raman's 'Jatak Nirnay',lesson No.3 topic> is "Aayu Ka Nirdharan".I will take three Ascendant from this lesson> for as an example.> > Rashi(Of lagana) Mraka> > Tula(Libra) Brahpati(Jupiter)> > Kumbha(Aquarius) Mangal(Mars)> > Meena(Pisces) Mercury,Venus and Saturn> > What will do a Marka planet to the native,by their combination with> other planet,by their placement and by their respective Dasa as> MD,AD,PD,PD(Pran)?> > Libra & Aquarius people have only one planet as Marka where Pisces> have three planets.Pisces person will suffer by three where other two> person will suffer by only one planet.Than which Ascendant will you> choose for betterment to receive good result by all Dasa period?> > If every Ascendant is best than why Pisces have three planets as> Marka?This person will get bad result by three planets Dasa and other> will by only one.Can you justify ,all Ascendant are best,beauty is in> the eye,the absurd question, as like child.> > "Best" means have the more qualities than others in all respect.Which> produced maximum benefice by Dasa,by combination or by placement.If a> Ascendant have more Yog-Karka planets through Ascendant among all> Ascendants,it will be best Ascendant.We have 12 Ascendant as per Rashi> sign.> > I have stated Marka,now for best Ascendant we choose better> results,more better Dasa period,more Yog-Karka combination,etc.> > I have put this question to get best outcome or some best contribution> but very sad,nobody have got my point of view.every body is engage to> complimenting for good post to each other only.> > Can I repeat my question again?> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra>

December 23, 2008

Respected M.S.Bohra,

I have respect for your good qualities and regars for you earnest desire to know

which is the best Ascendant. I give you a practical question. Let us take

Scorpio lagna. Venus is Marak being 7th lord and Jupiter is Maraka being 2nd

lord. Both are posited in 6th with Sun and Saturn. Venus and Saturn are combust,

5th is occupied by Ketu and Mercury, Moon in 4th and Mars in 3rd. He was born in

Rahu MD. The native have seen Jupiter dasha and running Venus dasha. During

Jupiter MD he shifted from Pakistan to India and started earning. He was

intelligent and took tutions to earn. He taught tutions till he passed higher

secondary examination. This is the Maraka Jupiter. Now take Maraka Venus. He is

taking astrological classes. He has good marital life, 2 sons and a daughter He

is contented in his life and is president of his RWA. He has good status in the

society.

Do you think that Maraka can not be yoga karaka? The planet give results due to

its placement, ownership, aspect and conjuncted.not only in birth chart but also

in varga.

You are right when you say that Libra and Aquarius has only one Maraka. but you

are neglecting longitude of planets and their placement, conjunction and aspect.

A raja yoga can be cancelled if formed in trik houses or conjuncted with 8th

lord or 11th lord.

(lagu parashari) The planets gives its results only during the dasha of

Sahdharmi or Sambhani planets. All Ascendant are good if the lagna lord is

strong in kendra or trikona, Upachaya houses are occupied by malefic planets,

The benefic planets are posited in kendra of trikona in strength and attained