Bhava Chalit - Part 2

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

 

Your mails on Bhava Chart was an eye opener for me.

 

Please tell me ....

 

1) As a beginner, what type of Bhava chart should I use. J-Hora

gives a lot of options and I am really confused.

2) In one case, Deb Saturn and Moon is in lagna(Aries). In Bhava

charts, Saturn moves to 12H and Moon Remains in Lagna

 

What I have understood so far is...

 

The aspect of Saturn in Moon remains although Saturn moves to 12H

The Saturn will behave as debilated (because it is in sign Aries) but

the result of Saturn will be like any 12H Saturn.

 

The aspects of Saturn (3rd / 7th / 10th) - will it be based on signs or

Bhava ?

 

Am I on the right track..or am I missing something important ?

 

regards

 

chakraborty

 

 

 

Bhaskar [rajiventerprises]

Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:04 PM

 

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

 

 

 

 

Dear Amitji,

 

You will have to read my posts on this matter once again.

 

I am sorry either I have not been able to explain you properly or else you

have not understood.

 

// If we take the Rasi result then Ju will provide the result for Number 1

> However if we take the consideration that if Ju is in Ari or 6th house

then result will be Number 2.

>

> What does this amount too, will the Native have results of both the

positions Rasi as well as Bhav placement. //

 

IN BHAVA CHALIT CHART, THE SIGN OF THE PLANET DOES NOT CHANGE, ONLY THE

BHAVA CHANGES. IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE HOW TO MAKE A CHART MANUALLY AND THE

HOUSE DIVISION METHOD, THEN IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO EXPLAIN FROM

SCRATCH.

 

I am sure with some re-reading you would understand.

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Khuranaji,

 

Thanks for your valuable reply.Some where I have read about,we can

place our planets as we wish or in the house we wish by some 'UPAYA " .

 

As if we wish to place a planet in 1st house,then related things of

planets we should wear (Gale me Dharan Kare) or'Tilak Kare " .

If we wish to place in 2nd house we should donate in Temple,Religious

place or " ISthapit Kare " .

 

as like this for all houses there are some " UPAYA " to place the desire

planet.Is it possible and give the right result?

 

Can you say some thing on it?

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

, " khurana_satpal "

<khurana_satpal wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> When the jupiter is in the 4th house and the moon is in the 2nd house

> then the Lal Kitab says :

>

> naseeb ki neki badi ka faisla shani aur rahu ki nek ya bad halat par

> hoga

>

> The result about the destiny will depend upon the nature of Saturn and

> rahu, as placed in the horoscope.

>

> The benefic results mentioned for the Jupiter in the 4th house will be

> subject to the placement of other planets. This is true for all planets.

> Benefic or malefic results for the planets in any house can get

> moderated depending upon other planetary influences on that planet and

> the house.

>

> As you say, if the moon is in the 5th house while the jupiter is in the

> 4th house the benefic results should accrue provided there are no

> malefic influence on the jupiter in the 4th. With moon in the 5th,one of

> the results could be that such a person doesn't have to spend a lot on

> his illness. Where as if the moon were in the 2nd house then the native

> would be spending a lot on his health.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Khuranaji,

> >

> > As I have read in the file section that Jupiter in 4th house will give

> > benefice result if Moon have not occupies the 2nd house,as per Lal

> > Kitab.The benefice results were stated will be applicable as it is or

> > other factors are involved?

> > The benefice result as stated :-

> >

> > Added by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Jupiter in 4th house : Benefic indications

> >

> >

> >

> > [ a ] gets high education

> >

> > [ b ] has the comfort of the house and vehicle

> >

> > [ c ] owns cattle [ context villager ]

> >

> > [ d ] gets a position of authority where he has to take decisions

> >

> > [ e ] gets respect and recognition from the State.

> >

> > [ f ] gets wealth from unexpected source

> >

> > [ g ] fortunate for the parents.

> >

> >

> >

> > If the above indications are there it means that the Jupiter is

> > acting,as a benefice.

> >

> > We can confirmly say the above result,if Moon is in 5th house?

> >

> > What Lal Kitab says about more planets in a house,how we will judge

> > the result?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Gopal Goel

> > gkgoel1937@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Khurana ji

> > > Your mail was very informative.

> > > However I will like to add that Lal Kitab do follow natural

> > > Zodiac and Karka's as assigned by Hora shastra.

> > > BHAVA I - sign Aries , lord Mars, Karka Sun

> > > BH2- Taurus-Venus-Jupiter

> > > BH3-Gemini-Mercury-Mars

> > > BH4-Cancer-Moon-Moon

> > > BH5 -Leo-Sun-Jupiter

> > > Bh6-Virgo-Mercury-Mars

> > > Bh-Libra-Venus-Venus

> > > BH8-Scorpio-Mars-Saturn

> > > BH9-Sag.-Jup-Jup

> > > BH 10- CaE3pricorn-Sat-Mer

> > > BH-11-Aqu.-Sat-Jup

> > > BH12-Pisces-Jup-Sat

> > > Now question arises, what is the bhava?

> > > Mainly , they are of four kinds:

> > >

> > > 1-Compartmental method- one full �house is contained in one

> sign,

> > > �ie if Virgo rises, all planets in Virgo will be considered in

> 1st

> > house,

> > > SIMILARLY Libra is 2nd house and so on.According to my understanding

> > > Lal Kitab follows this method.

> > >

> > > 2. The house extends to 15 degrees on either side from rising

> > degree-this

> > > � is known as equal house division.

> > >

> > > 3 The other methods propagated by Sripati and others which are based

> on

> > > calculating ascending degrees and degree of M.C.

> > >

> > > 4. K.P.METHOD -in which rsing sign and M.C. acts as cusps of the

> > houses ie

> > > the point of commencement and not the middle point of the house as

> > in the case

> > >

> > > of method 2 and 3.

> > > When I study Lal Kitab , I find 1st method is fully applicable.

> > > You may amend me where ever you feel that I am not on right track.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > khurana_satpal khurana_satpal@

> > >

> > > Monday, 3 November, 2008 6:33:11 PM

> > > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Goel ji,

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] When the Lal Kitab says that khana # 1 is a pakka ghar of mars

> > > and the karak is the sun it means :

> > >

> > > The piece of land or the plot belongs to the Mars on which the Sun

> > > has constructed its house and a planet posited in khana # 1 will be

> > > treated as a tenant. Therefore when ever the results of a planet in

> > > khana #1 are to be evaluated, one has to keep at the back of his

> mind

> > > the mars and the Sun also.

> > >

> > > The similarity or alignment with Kalpurush [ cardinal ] kundali ends

> > > there. The kalpurush kundali simply suggests as to who owns the

> piece

> > > of land or the plot on which the house is built. For the old Lal

> > > Kitabists the rasi it self is the khana. They do not distinguish

> > > between the rasi and the house [ khana ] as two separate entities.

> > >

> > > But it does not indicate the dimensions of the affected area, or the

> > > stretch of this piece of land which could be under the influence. As

> > > any student of traditional astrology would know that the longitude

> of

> > > the Ascendant is the point from where the stretch has to be

> measured;

> > > it could be a deeptansh [ affected area ] of 15 degrees on either

> > > side [ the one we young Lal Kitabists use ] or uneven. Which ever

> > > system of the Bhav-spashtha is used the stretch of the land is to be

> > > defined in relation to the ascendant; the ascendant is the point of

> > > reference always.

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] We follow the parashar system of equal house with a deepatansh

> > > of 15 degrees on either side of the longitude of the Ascendant for

> > > each house. Sir, this is not a new method. It is a very old

> > > traditional tool used for refinement. Any mathematical tool which

> > > gives us a better understanding should be used. No astrology tool is

> > > a paddhati specific tool. All mathematical tools of astrology are

> > > secular in that sense and can be used across paddhatis.

> > >

> > > Sir, in case you are interested in some informative articles on the

> > > Lal Kitab you can go to the file section of the following group

> which

> > > contains more than a hundred small articles on Lal Kitab grammar and

> > > other aspects.

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/lalkitab_ discussion/

> > >

> > > With respect,

> > >

> > > S P Khurana

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kuranaji,u7+ ++

> > > > Your Mail is very informative and revealing.

> > > > I wish to have to information:

> > > > 1.When Lal Kitab says that 1st bhava is pakka ghar of Mars and

> > > karka is Sun,

> > > > 2H is pakka ghar of Venus and karka is Jupiter and so on , this

> > > clearly means

> > > > Bhava chakra is firmly aligned to Kala Pursha.Every system has to

> > > recognise Bhava .

> > > > Signs and planets in some or other way. Some methods of Bhrgu

> > > astrology are based on this principle.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In your new method ,how do you construct bhavas ?

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 3 November, 2008 12:09:17 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Goel ji,

> > > >

> > > > When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what you

> > > > call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this method

> > > > which had been in use. In between a few more methods got popular

> > > but

> > > > recently once again it is the same old tested parashar method

> which

> > > > has again gained popularity.

> > > >

> > > > I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury placed

> > > > in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees will pass

> > > on

> > > > its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional charts etc

> it

> > > > would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

> > > >

> > > > The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-spashtha, and

> > > > therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the rasi

> > > > itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2

> degrees

> > > > or 29 degrees.

> > > >

> > > > I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes that

> the

> > > > Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a Bhav [

> > > or

> > > > khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the book

> > > > instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses be

> > > > numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We take

> it

> > > > as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the Rasi.

> > > Had

> > > > the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there would have

> > > > been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

> > > >

> > > > Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [ cardinal ]

> > > > kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > With respect,

> > > >

> > > > S P Khurana

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Khurana ji ,

> > > > > Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will

> open

> > > up

> > > > > the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> > > > > In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

> > > > > one thing is common ;

> > > > > ' The longitude of Ascending point becomes the most sensitive

> > > point

> > > > > of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of

> > > > other houses

> > > > > will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house

> will

> > > > fall in 10th

> > > > > sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that

> > > of

> > > > the ascending

> > > > > point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE

> > > MID-

> > > > POINT ,

> > > > > MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

> > > > > given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many

> > > other

> > > > important purposes.'

> > > > >

> > > > > The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of

> > > > equal house division:

> > > > > A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira

> > > > (Brihat Jatak)

> > > > > The boundary of each house will be within a sign -

> > > > compartmental Method -eg if

> > > > > Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna

> > > house

> > > > and Libra will become

> > > > > 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house

> > > will

> > > > have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> > > > > 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> > > > > Suppose 10 deg Virgo is rising and Mercury is in 8th house

> > > > at 29 deg , it will be considers

> > > > > as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

> > > > house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> > > > > and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

> > > > considered that it is placed in 9th house

> > > > > such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> > > > > B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the

> > > > Mid-point of the house.In

> > > > > such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but will be

> > > > considered in 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Conclusion:

> > > > > 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

> > > > > 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga

> > > charts

> > > > > in consideration

> > > > > 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits and

> > > some

> > > > > methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places

> > > > on higher latitudes

> > > > > is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

> > > > methodology and give outstanding

> > > > > results in some Areas.

> > > > > NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

> > > > >

> > > > > One question will arise, there are many ways of house division

> > > and

> > > > then Tropical and Sidereal

> > > > > systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70%

> > > > correct predictions. The reason

> > > > > is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> > > > > 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSE IS

> > > ARIES ,

> > > > > 2H IS TAURUS AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND

> > > > KARKA

> > > > > SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THIS IS

> > > > ALSO APPLICABLE

> > > > > TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS

> > > PRINCIPLE.

> > > > > 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS

> > > AND PLANETS

> > > > > ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS

> > > > ADOPTED

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his

> > > > disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> > > > > “Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas)

> that

> > > > move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

> > > > (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to

> > > > Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis)

> > > > from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

> > > > (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)

> > > > â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from

> each

> > > > other, the native’s good and bad fortune is

> deductedâ€.

> > > > > Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

> > > > Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> > > > > BEST REGARDS,

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chakroborty ji,

1) Please use Placidus if You are using J.Hora , if You wish to follow what I do.

2) You have understood correctly Saturn will behave debilitated as in any house due to being in Aries. But Saturn will now give 12th House results.

3) Aspects -Here also you have understood correctly. The aspects have to be seen from the Natal Chart placements.

If You follow the above, you will be surprised in time to come, about your own predictive abilities.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > Your mails on Bhava Chart was an eye opener for me.> > Please tell me ....> > 1) As a beginner, what type of Bhava chart should I use. J-Hora> gives a lot of options and I am really confused.> 2) In one case, Deb Saturn and Moon is in lagna(Aries). In Bhava> charts, Saturn moves to 12H and Moon Remains in Lagna> > What I have understood so far is...> > The aspect of Saturn in Moon remains although Saturn moves to 12H> The Saturn will behave as debilated (because it is in sign Aries) but> the result of Saturn will be like any 12H Saturn.> > The aspects of Saturn (3rd / 7th / 10th) - will it be based on signs or> Bhava ?> > Am I on the right track..or am I missing something important ?> > regards> > chakraborty> > > > Bhaskar [rajiventerprises]> Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:04 PM> > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2> > > > > Dear Amitji,> > You will have to read my posts on this matter once again.> > I am sorry either I have not been able to explain you properly or else you> have not understood.> > // If we take the Rasi result then Ju will provide the result for Number 1> > However if we take the consideration that if Ju is in Ari or 6th house> then result will be Number 2.> >> > What does this amount too, will the Native have results of both the> positions Rasi as well as Bhav placement. //> > IN BHAVA CHALIT CHART, THE SIGN OF THE PLANET DOES NOT CHANGE, ONLY THE> BHAVA CHANGES. IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE HOW TO MAKE A CHART MANUALLY AND THE> HOUSE DIVISION METHOD, THEN IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO EXPLAIN FROM> SCRATCH.> > I am sure with some re-reading you would understand.> > Bhaskar.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Khurana ji,

 

There is no doubt and you may be correct.

For that matter other tyoes of division should also give results.

 

It is my believe that compartmental system of house division suits

most with Varga charts..Are  rules of Lalkitab also

workable in varga charts?

 G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

________________________________

khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

 

Saturday, 22 November, 2008 8:52:13 PM

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

 

 

Dear Goel ji,

 

Sir, not only to you, to most of the Lal Kitab practitioners it

appears that the Lal Kitab follows the compartment method of the

Bhava where the Rasi is synonymous with Bhava.

 

But some of us, who are not traditionalist, follow the Bhava system.

In case you are interested in reading about this issue in greater

detail, you can read an article on Bhav Spashtha contained in the

folder on Lal Kitab grammar in the group.

 

I just request you to study a few horoscopes with equal house [

parashar ] system under the Lal Kitab paddhati and you will realize

that the results are far more accurate than the ones with

compartmental bhava system ; not only that even the remedies work

more effectively if suggested based on the bhava rather than the

Rasi.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

[Guest guest]

Dear Goel ji,

 

Never tried to find out whether the LK rules work on divisions. Now

that you have pointed it out, I will sure try to find out if they can

be applied.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Khurana ji,

>

> There is no doubt and you may be correct.

> For that matter other tyoes of division should also give results.

>

> It is my believe that compartmental system of house division suits

> most with Varga charts..Are �rules of Lalkitab also

> workable in varga charts?

> �G.K.GOEL

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> Saturday, 22 November, 2008 8:52:13 PM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

>

> Dear Goel ji,

>

> Sir, not only to you, to most of the Lal Kitab practitioners it

> appears that the Lal Kitab follows the compartment method of the

> Bhava where the Rasi is synonymous with Bhava.

>

> But some of us, who are not traditionalist, follow the Bhava system.

> In case you are interested in reading about this issue in greater

> detail, you can read an article on Bhav Spashtha contained in the

> folder on Lal Kitab grammar in the group.

>

> I just request you to study a few horoscopes with equal house [

> parashar ] system under the Lal Kitab paddhati and you will realize

> that the results are far more accurate than the ones with

> compartmental bhava system ; not only that even the remedies work

> more effectively if suggested based on the bhava rather than the

> Rasi.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bohra ji,

 

No. It is not true that the planets can be moved around at will. Had

it been so, every body could get them placed at the optimum point and

there would be no misery in life.

 

In the Lal Kitab paddhati the planets can be moved along the 'drishti

path' [ line of aspect]. In other words planets can be moved to house

where a path is already laid out in the form of 'drishti' of that

planet. For example a Jupiter placed in the 6th house, if necessary,

can be moved to the 2nd house because a path is already laid out

through its 9th aspect.

 

Yes, a planet, in the form of its karak object, moved to a particular

house does give the results of that house.

 

In case you are interested in the Lal Kitab paddhati, I would suggest

that you read a few articles on the system. You can find them in the

two folders of file section of :

 

/

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Khuranaji,

>

> Thanks for your valuable reply.Some where I have read about,we can

> place our planets as we wish or in the house we wish by

some 'UPAYA " .

>

> As if we wish to place a planet in 1st house,then related things of

> planets we should wear (Gale me Dharan Kare) or'Tilak Kare " .

> If we wish to place in 2nd house we should donate in

Temple,Religious

> place or " ISthapit Kare " .

>

> as like this for all houses there are some " UPAYA " to place the

desire

> planet.Is it possible and give the right result?

>

> Can you say some thing on it?

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

> , " khurana_satpal "

> <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > When the jupiter is in the 4th house and the moon is in the 2nd

house

> > then the Lal Kitab says :

> >

> > naseeb ki neki badi ka faisla shani aur rahu ki nek ya bad halat

par

> > hoga

> >

> > The result about the destiny will depend upon the nature of

Saturn and

> > rahu, as placed in the horoscope.

> >

> > The benefic results mentioned for the Jupiter in the 4th house

will be

> > subject to the placement of other planets. This is true for all

planets.

> > Benefic or malefic results for the planets in any house can get

> > moderated depending upon other planetary influences on that

planet and

> > the house.

> >

> > As you say, if the moon is in the 5th house while the jupiter is

in the

> > 4th house the benefic results should accrue provided there are no

> > malefic influence on the jupiter in the 4th. With moon in the

5th,one of

> > the results could be that such a person doesn't have to spend a

lot on

> > his illness. Where as if the moon were in the 2nd house then the

native

> > would be spending a lot on his health.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " msbohra62 "

> > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Khuranaji,

> > >

> > > As I have read in the file section that Jupiter in 4th house

will give

> > > benefice result if Moon have not occupies the 2nd house,as per

Lal

> > > Kitab.The benefice results were stated will be applicable as it

is or

> > > other factors are involved?

> > > The benefice result as stated :-

> > >

> > > Added by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jupiter in 4th house : Benefic indications

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [ a ] gets high education

> > >

> > > [ b ] has the comfort of the house and vehicle

> > >

> > > [ c ] owns cattle [ context villager ]

> > >

> > > [ d ] gets a position of authority where he has to take

decisions

> > >

> > > [ e ] gets respect and recognition from the State.

> > >

> > > [ f ] gets wealth from unexpected source

> > >

> > > [ g ] fortunate for the parents.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If the above indications are there it means that the Jupiter is

> > > acting,as a benefice.

> > >

> > > We can confirmly say the above result,if Moon is in 5th house?

> > >

> > > What Lal Kitab says about more planets in a house,how we will

judge

> > > the result?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Gopal Goel

> > > gkgoel1937@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Khurana ji

> > > > Your mail was very informative.

> > > > However I will like to add that Lal Kitab do follow natural

> > > > Zodiac and Karka's as assigned by Hora shastra.

> > > > BHAVA I - sign Aries , lord Mars, Karka Sun

> > > > BH2- Taurus-Venus-Jupiter

> > > > BH3-Gemini-Mercury-Mars

> > > > BH4-Cancer-Moon-Moon

> > > > BH5 -Leo-Sun-Jupiter

> > > > Bh6-Virgo-Mercury-Mars

> > > > Bh-Libra-Venus-Venus

> > > > BH8-Scorpio-Mars-Saturn

> > > > BH9-Sag.-Jup-Jup

> > > > BH 10- CaE3pricorn-Sat-Mer

> > > > BH-11-Aqu.-Sat-Jup

> > > > BH12-Pisces-Jup-Sat

> > > > Now question arises, what is the bhava?

> > > > Mainly , they are of four kinds:

> > > >

> > > > 1-Compartmental method- one full �house is contained in one

> > sign,

> > > > �ie if Virgo rises, all planets in Virgo will be considered

in

> > 1st

> > > house,

> > > > SIMILARLY Libra is 2nd house and so on.According to my

understanding

> > > > Lal Kitab follows this method.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The house extends to 15 degrees on either side from rising

> > > degree-this

> > > > � is known as equal house division.

> > > >

> > > > 3 The other methods propagated by Sripati and others which

are based

> > on

> > > > calculating ascending degrees and degree of M.C.

> > > >

> > > > 4. K.P.METHOD -in which rsing sign and M.C. acts as cusps of

the

> > > houses ie

> > > > the point of commencement and not the middle point of the

house as

> > > in the case

> > > >

> > > > of method 2 and 3.

> > > > When I study Lal Kitab , I find 1st method is fully

applicable.

> > > > You may amend me where ever you feel that I am not on right

track.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > khurana_satpal khurana_satpal@

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 3 November, 2008 6:33:11 PM

> > > > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Goel ji,

> > > >

> > > > [ 1 ] When the Lal Kitab says that khana # 1 is a pakka ghar

of mars

> > > > and the karak is the sun it means :

> > > >

> > > > The piece of land or the plot belongs to the Mars on which

the Sun

> > > > has constructed its house and a planet posited in khana # 1

will be

> > > > treated as a tenant. Therefore when ever the results of a

planet in

> > > > khana #1 are to be evaluated, one has to keep at the back of

his

> > mind

> > > > the mars and the Sun also.

> > > >

> > > > The similarity or alignment with Kalpurush [ cardinal ]

kundali ends

> > > > there. The kalpurush kundali simply suggests as to who owns

the

> > piece

> > > > of land or the plot on which the house is built. For the old

Lal

> > > > Kitabists the rasi it self is the khana. They do not

distinguish

> > > > between the rasi and the house [ khana ] as two separate

entities.

> > > >

> > > > But it does not indicate the dimensions of the affected area,

or the

> > > > stretch of this piece of land which could be under the

influence. As

> > > > any student of traditional astrology would know that the

longitude

> > of

> > > > the Ascendant is the point from where the stretch has to be

> > measured;

> > > > it could be a deeptansh [ affected area ] of 15 degrees on

either

> > > > side [ the one we young Lal Kitabists use ] or uneven. Which

ever

> > > > system of the Bhav-spashtha is used the stretch of the land

is to be

> > > > defined in relation to the ascendant; the ascendant is the

point of

> > > > reference always.

> > > >

> > > > [ 2 ] We follow the parashar system of equal house with a

deepatansh

> > > > of 15 degrees on either side of the longitude of the

Ascendant for

> > > > each house. Sir, this is not a new method. It is a very old

> > > > traditional tool used for refinement. Any mathematical tool

which

> > > > gives us a better understanding should be used. No astrology

tool is

> > > > a paddhati specific tool. All mathematical tools of astrology

are

> > > > secular in that sense and can be used across paddhatis.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, in case you are interested in some informative articles

on the

> > > > Lal Kitab you can go to the file section of the following

group

> > which

> > > > contains more than a hundred small articles on Lal Kitab

grammar and

> > > > other aspects.

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/lalkitab_ discussion/

> > > >

> > > > With respect,

> > > >

> > > > S P Khurana

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kuranaji,u7+ ++

> > > > > Your Mail is very informative and revealing.

> > > > > I wish to have to information:

> > > > > 1.When Lal Kitab says that 1st bhava is pakka ghar of Mars

and

> > > > karka is Sun,

> > > > > 2H is pakka ghar of Venus and karka is Jupiter and so on ,

this

> > > > clearly means

> > > > > Bhava chakra is firmly aligned to Kala Pursha.Every system

has to

> > > > recognise Bhava .

> > > > > Signs and planets in some or other way. Some methods of

Bhrgu

> > > > astrology are based on this principle.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. In your new method ,how do you construct bhavas ?

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Monday, 3 November, 2008 12:09:17 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit -

Part 2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Goel ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what

you

> > > > > call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this

method

> > > > > which had been in use. In between a few more methods got

popular

> > > > but

> > > > > recently once again it is the same old tested parashar

method

> > which

> > > > > has again gained popularity.

> > > > >

> > > > > I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury

placed

> > > > > in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees

will pass

> > > > on

> > > > > its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional

charts etc

> > it

> > > > > would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-

spashtha, and

> > > > > therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the

rasi

> > > > > itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2

> > degrees

> > > > > or 29 degrees.

> > > > >

> > > > > I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes

that

> > the

> > > > > Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a

Bhav [

> > > > or

> > > > > khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the

book

> > > > > instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses

be

> > > > > numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We

take

> > it

> > > > > as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the

Rasi.

> > > > Had

> > > > > the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there

would have

> > > > > been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [

cardinal ]

> > > > > kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > S P Khurana

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal

Goel

> > > > > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Khurana ji ,

> > > > > > Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This

will

> > open

> > > > up

> > > > > > the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> > > > > > In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30

degrees,

> > > > > > one thing is common ;

> > > > > > ' The longitude of Ascending point becomes the most

sensitive

> > > > point

> > > > > > of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive

point of

> > > > > other houses

> > > > > > will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th

house

> > will

> > > > > fall in 10th

> > > > > > sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude

as that

> > > > of

> > > > > the ascending

> > > > > > point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED

AS THE

> > > > MID-

> > > > > POINT ,

> > > > > > MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is

however

> > > > > > given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for

many

> > > > other

> > > > > important purposes.'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above similarity apart , their are following two

versions of

> > > > > equal house division:

> > > > > > A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha

Mihira

> > > > > (Brihat Jatak)

> > > > > > The boundary of each house will be within a sign -

> > > > > compartmental Method -eg if

> > > > > > Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna

> > > > house

> > > > > and Libra will become

> > > > > > 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the

house

> > > > will

> > > > > have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> > > > > > 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> > > > > > Suppose 10 deg Virgo is rising and Mercury is in 8th

house

> > > > > at 29 deg , it will be considers

> > > > > > as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

> > > > > house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> > > > > > and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

> > > > > considered that it is placed in 9th house

> > > > > > such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> > > > > > B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered

as the

> > > > > Mid-point of the house.In

> > > > > > such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but will

be

> > > > > considered in 9th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Conclusion:

> > > > > > 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga

charts.

> > > > > > 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking

Varga

> > > > charts

> > > > > > in consideration

> > > > > > 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits

and

> > > > some

> > > > > > methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for

places

> > > > > on higher latitudes

> > > > > > is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

> > > > > methodology and give outstanding

> > > > > > results in some Areas.

> > > > > > NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One question will arise, there are many ways of house

division

> > > > and

> > > > > then Tropical and Sidereal

> > > > > > systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60

to 70%

> > > > > correct predictions. The reason

> > > > > > is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> > > > > > 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSE IS

> > > > ARIES ,

> > > > > > 2H IS TAURUS AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF

ARIES AND

> > > > > KARKA

> > > > > > SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST

HOUSE .THIS IS

> > > > > ALSO APPLICABLE

> > > > > > TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS

> > > > PRINCIPLE.

> > > > > > 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS

> > > > AND PLANETS

> > > > > > ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY

SYSTEM IS

> > > > > ADOPTED

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept

to his

> > > > > disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> > > > > > “Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas)

> > that

> > > > > move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

> > > > > (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from

Aswin to

> > > > > Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs

(Rashis)

> > > > > from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the

rising

> > > > > (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan

(ascendant)

> > > > > â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from

> > each

> > > > > other, the native’s good and bad fortune is

> > deductedâ€.

> > > > > > Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

> > > > > Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> > > > > > BEST REGARDS,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nakai,

I do not wish to mention my views when an astrologer of

outstanding merit is commenting on the nativity:

However I may like to mention that accident took place

when Jup/Sat dasa was in operation .. In Feb 2008 ,

Sat and Ketu was transiting over Natal Saturn , this was

the dangerous period for the native but for the transit of Jupiter

in 10H. Jupiter is in 4H from Moon , aspecting 4H from Lagna as

well as Natal Saturn.Thus she escaped unhurt.

Jupiter will transit to her 11H from Dec9,2008.Saturn sub-period will

start showing adverse results.

Her Venus is in deep combustion and with Rahu . If she is already married

then there may be problems in marriage.

Her real progress will come after the age of 42 years on account of

conjunction of Saturn and Rahu in 6H.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

[Guest guest]

Dear GopalJi,

 

Thanks for the reply. Yes she is married and is having problems in Marriage.

Not because of her husband, but because of Her husbands smaller brother & her wife.

She & her husband earn well in MNC and are both engineers.

Her sister in law is 12th Grad pass and from Sikh family, and is a house wife.

 

These are problems in our Indian society nowadays and you have to overcome them and live in a joint family till you can, is what I have advised the couple.

 

Since everything starts & ends in our mind. You can take whatever direction you want to with your mind.

This is what is called life.

 

Warm Regards

Amit Nakai

 

 

 

 

Gopal Goel

Monday, November 24, 2008 1:43 PM

Re: Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Nakai,

I do not wish to mention my views when an astrologer of

outstanding merit is commenting on the nativity:

However I may like to mention that accident took place

when Jup/Sat dasa was in operation .. In Feb 2008 ,

Sat and Ketu was transiting over Natal Saturn , this was

the dangerous period for the native but for the transit of Jupiter

in 10H. Jupiter is in 4H from Moon , aspecting 4H from Lagna as

well as Natal Saturn.Thus she escaped unhurt.

Jupiter will transit to her 11H from Dec9,2008.Saturn sub-period will

start showing adverse results.

Her Venus is in deep combustion and with Rahu . If she is already married

then there may be problems in marriage.

Her real progress will come after the age of 42 years on account of

conjunction of Saturn and Rahu in 6H.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL