Rahu Kalam - Please read this . Its revealing.

October 12, 2008

Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not Viraag as you seem to suggest.

I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book available.

Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong transcription.

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji,> > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*â€ when the venus> comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. â€œ> *aurat hua bairag*â€ can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> longer as strong''''''//> > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page> 443. these are> > *"Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag"*> > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as> explained by Khurana ji.> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means "Aag ka> Bhabka" or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire.> > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in> the native will become like an "Aag ka Shola" (powerful for an instant) .> which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is> termed like as "Zamaney Kee begum" indirectoly pointing towards the non> decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also> result in lesschild or no child.> > Regards> > Nirmal> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal> khurana_satpalwrote:> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> >> > *Lal Kitab Perspective:*> >> > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar jiâ€™s predicament during> > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar jiâ€™ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is> > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal> > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says :> >> >> >> > â€œ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*â€ when the venus> > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment.> > â€œ *aurat hua bairag*â€ can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> > longer as strong.> >> >> >> > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June> > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire> > 48th year.> >> >> >> > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab> > doesnâ€™t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill> > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked> > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore> > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is> > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.> >> >> >> > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to> > normalize the situation.> >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear astro surfer ji> > >> > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will> > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for> > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .> > >> > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and> > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary> > > fire needed for spiritulaity .> > >> > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions> > >> > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , "astro.surfer"> > > astro.surfer@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?> > > >> > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart?> > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be> > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star.> > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the> > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus,> > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good> > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as> > > > his prized possessions.> > > >> > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in> > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else> > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.> > > >> > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle> > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of> > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.> > > >> > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1> > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully> > > > aspecting with a backward glance.> > > >> > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the> > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart> > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in> > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu.> > > >> > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in> > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between> > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in> > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will> > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu> > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde> > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him> > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar> > > > supporting.> > > >> > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial> > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self.> > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus> > > > relates to dharma.> > > >> > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will> > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined> > > > significations of venus in 9H.> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a> > > learner.> > > >> > > > Best regards> > > > Astrosurfer> > > >> > >> > > >>

October 12, 2008

Dear Bhasker,

Not always.It depends upon the placement of Shukkar in Natal

Chart.What one get in destiny will prevail. If venus in Natal

chart is badly placed then there is every possibility of

this.But for Natal venus in 4, It is seen in general. Person

has to have another affair either by overlust or due to the

ill health of spouse.

Regarding original Lalkitabs transliteration, I have spare

copy of 1941 edition , mail me your address I will send it

you. Regarding other Two books, these are copyrighted

material I cannot give you scanned copy. 1942 & 1952 edition

may be available shortly.

regards

Nirmal

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Dear Bharadwaj ji,

>

> That was explained nicely.

>

> So what I understand is that suppose this was a mans

Horosope in which

> Venus comes to the 4th in the annual chart, he will himself

not be

> satisfied with one, but may go for another, to satiate his

desires, and

> one of these two may be jamaane ki begum, or a society

woman.

>

> Okay, now where do I get this original Lal kitab, please

guide me ? I

> want to study further.

>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

> , " Nirmal

Kumar Bhardwaj "

> <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji,

> >

> > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*ï¿½

when the

> venus

> > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of

> disenchantment. â€œ

> > *aurat hua bairag*ï¿½ can be interpreted both ways : that

he gets

> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire

of passion is

> no

> > longer as strong''''''//

> >

> > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original

Lalkitab . It is on

> page

> > 443. these are

> >

> > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*

> >

> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " *

> >

> > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means

disenchantment as

> > explained by Khurana ji.

> >

> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and

means " Aag

> ka

> > Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire.

> >

> > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The

lust for

> woman in

> > the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful

for an

> instant) .

> > which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst

his woman is

> > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing

towards the

> non

> > decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one

and may also

> > result in lesschild or no child.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Nirmal

> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal

> > khurana_satpal:

> >

> > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > >

> > > *Lal Kitab Perspective:*

> > >

> > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar jiâ€™s

> predicament during

> > > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab

perspective.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar jiâ€™ s contention that Venus happens to be the

main

> culprit is

> > > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th

year Varsh

> Phal

> > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the

Lal Kitab says

> :

> > >

> > > â€œ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*ï¿½

> when the venus

> > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of

> disenchantment.

> > > â€œ *aurat hua bairag*ï¿½ can be interpreted both ways :

> that he gets

> > > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the

fire of passion

> is no

> > > longer as strong.

> > >

> > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been

pronounced after

> June

> > > this year and is likely to last till June next year

i.e. during his

> entire

> > > 48th year.

> > >

> > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal

specially ? The Lal

> Kitab

> > > doesnâ€™t say any thing about it because in North India

> specially the hill

> > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal

is not much

> talked

> > > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are

enemies

> therefore

> > > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during

the period when

> Rahu is

> > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.

> > >

> > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his

Venus in

> order to

> > > normalize the situation.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > S P Khurana

> > >

> > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > >

> > > > dear astro surfer ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope

such trends

> will

> > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm

sri bhaskar

> ji for

> > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .

> > > >

> > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu

is entrusted

> and

> > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka

for

> neccessary

> > > > fire needed for spiritulaity .

> > > >

> > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv

some opinions

> > > >

> > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in

grp too .

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > ,

" astro.surfer "

> > > > astro.surfer@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real

culprit?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus

doing in the

> chart?

> > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the

native will

> be

> > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna

rising in venus

> star.

> > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he

is the

> > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able

to escape

> venus,

> > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will

always give

> good

> > > > > things in life, things that native will love to

cherish and keep

> as

> > > > > his prized possessions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him

vaitarni paar.

> Venus in

> > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya.

It is no one

> else

> > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this

chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in

leo. See the

> subtle

> > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh,

venus takes

> charge of

> > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in

martian sign

> in D-1

> > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars

personified, is

> fully

> > > > > aspecting with a backward glance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart,

it is only

> the

> > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and

7L in natal

> chart

> > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife

being 7L, 7L in

> 7H in

> > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with

Jup, mars and

> Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is

there in 7H

> in

> > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for

unnecessary disputes

> between

> > > > > partners and causes disillusion and

misunderstandings. So in

> > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being

in 9H, venus

> will

> > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga

saptashati in

> rahu

> > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also

sun and

> retrograde

> > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and

Karkamsh, can make

> him

> > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially

dasha and antar

> > > > > supporting.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus

the

> primordial

> > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his

own other

> self.

> > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H

again. This

> venus

> > > > > relates to dharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of

his heart? What

> will

> > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all

possible combined

> > > > > significations of venus in 9H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my

understanding. I am only a

> > > > learner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards

> > > > > Astrosurfer

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 12, 2008

Dear Ram ji,

Thanks. I will check this.

blessings

Renu

, " Ram Jaswal "

<rkjaswal wrote:

>

> Namaste Renu

>

> JHora has taken an arbitrary point somewhere between Sittingbourne

and Ashford in Kent County? A useful website for Place/Street co-

ords in England is â€œwww.streetmap.co.uk

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> â€.

>

> Hope this answers your question?

>

> Best wishes â€¦..

>

> Jai Sita Ram

>

> Ram

>

> _____

>

On Behalf Of renunw

> 12 October 2008 15:52

>

> Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read

this . Its revealing.

>

> Dear Ram ji,

>

> Thanks. I will note this down. But JHora gives a latitude and

> longitude for Kent in UK.

>

> May be I'm wrong..please correct me if so.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40> astrology , " Ram Jaswal "

> <rkjaswal@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Renu

> >

> > Would you happen to have the Place of Birth in Kent? Incase if

not

> already aware Kent is a County (State) in England and not a

> town/city hence the question.

> >

> > Thanks and regards Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦

> >

> > Jai Sita Ram

> >

> > Ram

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40> astrology

> [ancient_indian_ <%

40> astrology ] On Behalf Of renunw

> > 12 October 2008 12:05

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40> astrology

> > Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read

> this . Its revealing.

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > I can but only agree with your revelations and thanks for the

same.

> >

> > // He said that for a Leo person, marital happiness would be a

> rarity,

> > unles he has very fortunate combinations in his chart for the

> same //

> >

> > I've noticed this in quite a few Leo natives, though I don't

have

> their

> > charts with me. Either their marriages are in jeopardy or they

are

> > divorced, separated, widowed etc.

> >

> > But there may be exceptions...

> >

> > I know a young couple who got married 2 years ago, Leo husband

and

> > Scorpio wife,......so far everything is a smooth sail for them.

The

> > husband is very caring and loving, and now the family is

complete

> with a

> > baby girl. I've got only the chart of the husband with me. If

> anybody

> > is interested, in the Leo- Scorpio duel...sorry dual, let me

give

> the

> > horoscope of the husband. I will try to get the wife's chart if

> > possible.

> >

> > 6th September 1979 @ 6.06 AM in Kent, UK.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com, " Bhaskar "

> > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > You have also taken up a good observation.

> > >

> > > As students our astrology class was also party to many off beat

> > > discussions apart from our syllabus. I remember vividly one of

my

> > > Professors who is now a old man and a experienced astrologer

> both in

> > > Sayana and Nirayana.

> > >

> > > He said that for a Leo person, marital happiness would be a

> rarity,

> > > unles he has very fortunate combinations in his chart for the

> same.

> > This

> > > is because Sun having ownership of the 1st house for Leo, and

> Saturn

> > > having ownership of the 7th house for Leo, are both sworn

> enemies.

> > Next,

> > > Saturn is also the Lord of the 6th house, which adds to the

> bitterness

> > > in the marriage, as the 6th house traits are always the cause

for

> > > incompatibilities, and if they conjoin with the 12th and 8th,

> then it

> > is

> > > a definite Divorce or seperation.

> > >

> > > A Leo nativity can suppress all the other natives bearing all

> > ascendants

> > > except for Scorpio.

> > >

> > > A Scorpio nativity can suppress all the other natives bearing

all

> > > ascendants, except Leo.

> > >

> > > So here we have the clash of Titans , whenever the clash takes

> place

> > it

> > > would be a enjoyable scene for the neighbours.

> > >

> > > In our case we both have strong Mars in our lagnas, so when we

> enter

> > > into a clash, anybody else coming in the firing range would be

> > clobbered

> > > mercilessly.

> > >

> > > That is something to chew upon, this Sunday.

> > >

> > > Enjoy,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com, " renunw " renunw@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for commencing an interesting and educative

discussion.

> I was

> > > > keenly attentive throughout the discussion, for a good

reason

> too.

> > > > Leo husband + Scorpion wife is something personal to me, and

> seems

> > > > to create problems during the current planetary

movements....

> or is

> > > > it inherent in their nature?

> > > >

> > > > I am not surprised of your wife's 'hot temper and religious

> > > > inclination', both traits will go hand in hand quite

> > > > comfortably.....I would say this is the 'true Scorpion

spirit'.

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com, " Bhaskar "

> > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ram Jaiswalji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have already put a query about a year back in Group of

> Priya

> > > > > Bhooshanji, whic was not about my personal chart, but

about

> some

> > > > > technical confirmations, which did not even eecit a

response,

> > > > forget any

> > > > > reply, after that I never visited that Forum ever. But if

you

> > > > suggest

> > > > > then I may post a enquiry there one of these days, but I

do

> my

> > > > studies

> > > > > myself on my chart, and do not take whatever anyone says

at

> deep

> > > > level,

> > > > > but just at surface level.

> > > > >

> > > > > About Ketu in my 7th house , I will comment later on, but

as

> per

> > > > lal

> > > > > Kitab, it is supposed to offer favourable results when

native

> > > > attains

> > > > > age of 55. And also when the native son attains major age.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Mytempered, but she wife is very hot is also very

> religious,

> > > > and

> > > > > whatever she utters, comes our true. If she curses someone

> it will

> > > > come

> > > > > out true, if she blesses someone it will manifest. She is

a

> stauch

> > > > lover

> > > > > of Hanuman Baba and Shrikrishna, and a daughter from a

> family of

> > > > > devotees and from a very rich business family . When she

> > > > criticises with

> > > > > her 3 inch tongue even a man of 6 feet will be mowed down

> like a

> > > > > spineless rubber, and when she praises, then the praise

will

> be

> > > > geuine.

> > > > > She certainly holds respect from all those who come in

> contact

> > > > with her.

> > > > > This much info. is enough for the moment, about her.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com, " Ram Jaswal "

> > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Bhaskarji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re:Lal Kitab may I suggest your contacting Pundit Priya

> > > > Bhooshanji of

> > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã… " @ <%

> 40> ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personally speaking I feel Ketu is the Graha to be

> propitiated?

> > > > If I

> > > > > may ask is your wife of a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã… " short temperÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â as Ketu

> in

> > > 7th

> > > > > Hse generally denotes this amongst other things?

> Re:disagreements

> > > > during

> > > > > Rahu Kalam periods I assume generally as opposed from only

> > > > Fridays? Per

> > > > > Vim you are currently in Rahu/Rahu/Mer and Chara Tau/Aqu

ÃƒÂ¢

> Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " I

> > > > > consider Rahu as co-lord of Aqu hence understandable 7th

Hse

> focus

> > > > > during said periods ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jai Sita Ram

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ram

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com] On Behalf Of

> > > > > khurana_satpal

> > > > > > 11 October 2008 13:04

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40> astrology@grou <astrology%

40> ps.com

> > > > > > Re: Rahu Kalam -

> Please read

> > > > this

> > > > > . Its revealing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am still a novice as far as the Lal Kitab is concerned.

> > > > Devising

> > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya is a very serious matter and should not

be

> done

> > > > by

> > > > > > beginners like me. Therefore I suggest that Bhaskar ji

> should

> > > > > > consult some senior Lal Kitab scholar/s. I will not be

in a

> > > > position

> > > > > > to suggest any name either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > S P Khurana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> ps.com, " sunil nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear satpal khurana ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many many thanks for giving us Lal kitab

perspectivses .I

> > > > always

> > > > > > > wonder always abt any system of indian predictiv

systems

> will

> > b

> > > > > > > contributing to each other than contradicting each

> other .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what ever way we look it ,is not a matter of concern

> wheter

> > its

> > > > > > > various astrology form s or hand reading or samudrika

> > > > sastra .We

> > > > > > must b

> > > > > > > gr8ful to our ancesters and gr8 rishis for giving us

> such a

> > gr8

> > > > > > sciences

> > > > > > > which is helping humanity in general .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now sir one thing u dont made it clear .U

said " Therefore

> > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to

> normalize

> > > > the

> > > > > > > situation "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can u suggest remedies what shud b done by bhaskar

> ji ,so the

> > > > > > nativ is

> > > > > > > out of this kind of pestering problem tho it is not

> seems to b

> > > > big

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > after all this is for reliving the tension and

> problems .so

> > the

> > > > > > remedial

> > > > > > > measures r important . can u suggest tru grp or mail

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > by the by Bhaskarjis computer is in trouble and his

> access is

> > > > > > limited i

> > > > > > > heard frm him yestrday ,so i dont know when he will b

> > > > comfortable

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > that .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank u for trying the chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> ps.com, " khurana_satpal "

> > > > > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Perspective:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar

> > > jiÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢s

> > > > > > > > predicament during Rahu Kal. I did look at his

problem

> with

> > > > the

> > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab perspective.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar jiÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢ s

contention that Venus

> happens to

> > be

> > > the

> > > > > main

> > > > > > > > culprit is also borne out through the Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his

48th

> year

> > > > Varsh

> > > > > > Phal

> > > > > > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the

> Lal

> > > > Kitab

> > > > > > says :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦ " Shukra chauthe jab

paani ayaa, aurat hua

> > > > > bairagÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â when

> > > > > > > > the venus comes to the 4th house , it sets in a

certain

> > > > amount of

> > > > > > > > disenchantment. ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦ " aurat

hua bairagÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â can

> > > be

> > > > > interpreted

> > > > > > > > both ways : that he gets disenchanted , it can also

> mean

> > > > that in

> > > > > > her

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > the fire of passion is no longer as strong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been

> > pronounced

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > June

> > > > > > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year

> i.e.

> > > > during

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > entire 48th year.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal

> specially ? The

> > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > doesnÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢t say any

thing about it

> because in North

> > > India

> > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > the hill regions where the Lal Kitab originated

from,

> Rahu

> > > > Kal

> > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > much talked about. But in astrological terms Venus

and

> the

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > enemies therefore the adverse effects of venus would

> come

> > > > forth

> > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > the period when Rahu is strong, more so during his

> Rahu/Rahu

> > > > > > dasha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for

his

> > > > Venus in

> > > > > > order

> > > > > > > > to normalize the situation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > S P Khurana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> ps.com, " sunil nair "

> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i

> hope such

> > > > > > trends

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs

frm

> sri

> > > > > > bhaskar ji

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which

rahu

> is

> > > > > > entrusted

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the

> karaka for

> > > > > > neccessary

> > > > > > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv

> some

> > > > > > opinions

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in

> grp

> > > > too .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> ps.com, " astro.surfer "

> > > > > > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real

> culprit?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is

venus

> doing

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart?

> > > > > > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where

the

> > native

> > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna

> rising

> > in

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > star.

> > > > > > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as

> he is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be

able

> to

> > > > escape

> > > > > > > venus,

> > > > > > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it

will

> always

> > > > > > give good

> > > > > > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to

> cherish

> > > > and

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > his prized possessions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him

> vaitarni

> > > > paar.

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv

> punya. It

> > > > is no

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of

this

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in

> leo. See

> > > > the

> > > > > > > subtle

> > > > > > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh,

> venus

> > > > takes

> > > > > > charge

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is

in

> > > > martian

> > > > > > sign in

> > > > > > > > D-1

> > > > > > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars

> > > > personified,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > fully

> > > > > > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the

> chart, it

> > is

> > > > > > only the

> > > > > > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H

and

> 7L in

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife

> being 7L,

> > > > 7L

> > > > > > in 7H

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with

> Jup,

> > > > mars and

> > > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu

is

> > > > there in

> > > > > > 7H in

> > > > > > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for

> unnecessary

> > > > > > disputes

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and

> misunderstandings.

> > > > So in

> > > > > > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as

being

> in

> > 9H,

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do

durga

> > > > > > saptashati in

> > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also

> sun and

> > > > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and

> Karkamsh,

> > > > can

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially

> dasha

> > > > and

> > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > supporting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives?

Venus

> the

> > > > > > primordial

> > > > > > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart,

> his own

> > > > other

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural

9H

> again.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > relates to dharma.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of

> his

> > > > heart?

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all

> possible

> > > > combined

> > > > > > > > > > significations of venus in 9H.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my

> understanding. I

> > am

> > > > > > only a

> > > > > > > > > learner.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > > > > Astrosurfer

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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October 12, 2008

Dear Khurana Ji,

It seems that You have confusion regarding the Declaring a planet of Janm

Waqt and the time allocated to them. Please have a reading of 1939 book it

explained it in detail.

Regarding Rahu Kal, Yes, it is of muhurta part and is changing every day and

is place specific. It depends upon the duration of the day. I have included

it my software for which I worked earlier. I have full algorithm for it.

In my opinion in the Kaals(time duration) of these two nodes as given in

lalkitab, normaly as per rituals, sleeping is prohibited. May be due to save

one from these two omenous planets.

Regards

Nirmal

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpalwrote:

> Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

>

> Rahu Kaal is a concept used in the sense of Muhurth in traditional

> astrology { Bhaskar ji would correct me if I am wrong ]. That keeps

> changing according to the day of the week and is worked out based on

> the time elapsed from sunrise at that particular city/place. It is

> time, place and the day of the week specific.

> Where as in the lal kitab the time allocation you have mentioned is

> used as Epoch of birth [ janma wakt ]. Although the time alloted to

> Rahu is the entire time of the evening after sun set to the first

> appearance of the stars, but the time mentioned in the book is such

> an evening on a Thursday. It is not place specific.

> Similarly for Ketu it is the usha kal before sunrise and in the book

> it is mentioned for a Sunday specially. This again is not place

> specific.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> " Nirmal Kumar

> Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji,

> >

> > " Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab "

> >

> > In Lal Kitab Every planet has been allocated permanent Time /

> kalam for

> > them. Two nodes get the Gandantha of Day and Night or night &

> day. as far

> > as I remember , approximately 120 minutes before sunrise allocated

> to Ketu

> > and may be termed as Ketu's Kaal and 240 minutes allocated to Rahu

> after

> > sunset to Rahu.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Nirmal

> >

> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Bhaskar

> <rajiventerpriseswrote:

> >

> > > Dear Khuranaji,

> > >

> > > Yes You are right about my contention of Venus due to lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > But it also comes through traditional, as Venus is placed in the

> > > badhakasthana.

> > >

> > > You mentioned about fire of passion not being too strong. You

> may be right

> > > here, but with proper circumstances and atmosphere, and with the

> right

> > > approach, this fire does not take more than 10 minutes to

> ignite, even with

> > > rishi Munis, so who are we, but ordinary mortals. For us if

> external support

> > > is available, it does not take more than 30 seconds to ignite,

> let me be

> > > very frank with you. This is the ground level reality and

> applicable to most

> > > of us.

> > >

> > > *As per lal Kitab, in the 48th year , My venus stays where it

> is, in the

> > > natal chart, that is in the 9th house, It does not come to the

> 4th house,

> > > as you wrote* ( Please correct me if I am wrong ).

> > >

> > > EVEN WHEN VENUS COMES IN THE 4TH HOUSE THE RESULTS ARE SAID AS -

> > >

> > > " Aurat ki ho aajaari "

> > >

> > > ( here " ajaari means " kashta " and not connected to passion ).

> > >

> > > or else

> > >

> > > " chauthe auraat do hota hai " ,

> > >

> > > which means,'the native may have two women in his Life.

> > >

> > > About the mention of Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab,I know that there

> is a faint

> > > mention indirectly about this , but where, I am not able to

> pinpoint.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> " khurana_satpal "

> > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Lal Kitab Perspective:

> > > >

> > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar jiâ€™s

> > > > predicament during Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with

> the Lal

> > > > Kitab perspective.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar jiâ€™ s contention that Venus happens to be the main

> > > > culprit is also borne out through the Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year

> Varsh Phal

> > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab

> says :

> > > >

> > > > â€œ Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairagâ€ when

> > > > the venus comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount

> of

> > > > disenchantment. â€œ aurat hua bairagâ€ can be interpreted

> > > > both ways : that he gets disenchanted , it can also mean that

> in her too

> > > > the fire of passion is no longer as strong.

> > > >

> > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced

> after June

> > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e.

> during his

> > > > entire 48th year.

> > > >

> > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The

> Lal Kitab

> > > > doesnâ€™t say any thing about it because in North India specially

> > > > the hill regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal

> is not

> > > > much talked about. But in astrological terms Venus and the

> Rahu are

> > > > enemies therefore the adverse effects of venus would come

> forth during

> > > > the period when Rahu is strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu

> dasha.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus

> in order

> > > > to normalize the situation.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > S P Khurana

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear astro surfer ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such

> trends will

> > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri

> bhaskar ji

> > > > for

> > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .

> > > > >

> > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is

> entrusted and

> > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for

> neccessary

> > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity .

> > > > >

> > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some

> opinions

> > > > >

> > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

>

<%40.\

com>,

> " astro.surfer "

> > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing

> in the

> > > > chart?

> > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native

> will be

> > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in

> venus

> > > > star.

> > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the

> > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to

> escape venus,

> > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always

> give good

> > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish

> and keep as

> > > > > > his prized possessions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni

> paar. Venus

> > > > in

> > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is

> no one

> > > > else

> > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See

> the subtle

> > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus

> takes charge

> > > > of

> > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian

> sign in

> > > > D-1

> > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars

> personified, is fully

> > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is

> only the

> > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in

> natal chart

> > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L,

> 7L in 7H in

> > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars

> and Rahu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there

> in 7H in

> > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary

> disputes

> > > > between

> > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So

> in

> > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H,

> venus will

> > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga

> saptashati in

> > > > rahu

> > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and

> retrograde

> > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh,

> can make him

> > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and

> antar

> > > > > > supporting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the

> primordial

> > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own

> other self.

> > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again.

> This venus

> > > > > > relates to dharma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his

> heart? What

> > > > will

> > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible

> combined

> > > > > > significations of venus in 9H.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am

> only a

> > > > > learner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > Astrosurfer

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 12, 2008

Dear Khurana Ji,It is nice to hear that you read from the tranliteration of the original. Few printing errors are come to notice in the book. you can access these at http://lalkitab1941.blogspot.com

and make the correction in your book.I will discuss this word with Prabhakar Ji and put necessary correction there also if required.RegardsNirmal On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not Viraag as you seem to suggest.

I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book available.

Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong transcription.

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji,

> > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*â€ when the venus> comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. â€œ

> *aurat hua bairag*â€ can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> longer as strong''''''//

> > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page> 443. these are> > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " *

> > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as> explained by Khurana ji.> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag ka> Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire.

> > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in> the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an instant) .> which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is

> termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the non> decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also> result in lesschild or no child.> > Regards

> > Nirmal> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal> khurana_satpalwrote:> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> >> > *Lal Kitab Perspective:*

> >> > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar jiâ€™s predicament during> > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective.> >> >> >

> > Bhaskar jiâ€™ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is> > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal

> > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says :> >> >> >> > â€œ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*â€ when the venus

> > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment.> > â€œ *aurat hua bairag*â€ can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no

> > longer as strong.> >> >> >> > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June> > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire

> > 48th year.> >> >> >> > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab> > doesnâ€™t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill

> > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked> > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore> > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is

> > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.> >> >> >> > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to> > normalize the situation.

> >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear astro surfer ji> > >

> > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will> > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for> > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .

> > >> > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and> > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary> > > fire needed for spiritulaity .

> > >> > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions> > >> > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .> > >> > >

> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , " astro.surfer "

> > > astro.surfer@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?> > > >

> > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart?> > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be> > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star.

> > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the> > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus,> > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good

> > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as> > > > his prized possessions.> > > >> > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in

> > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else> > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.> > > >> > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle

> > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of> > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.> > > >> > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1

> > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully> > > > aspecting with a backward glance.> > > >> > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the

> > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart> > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in> > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu.

> > > >> > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in> > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between> > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in

> > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will> > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu> > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde

> > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him> > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar> > > > supporting.> > > >

> > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial> > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self.> > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus

> > > > relates to dharma.> > > >> > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will> > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined

> > > > significations of venus in 9H.> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a> > > learner.> > > >> > > > Best regards

> > > > Astrosurfer> > > >> > >> > > >>

October 12, 2008

Dear Nirbhar ji,Do you mean to say that these Hindi versions are only transliterations and not real translations and also they are full of errors.What about the English versions? Regards

Neelam2008/10/12 Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar

Dear Khurana Ji,It is nice to hear that you read from the tranliteration of the original. Few printing errors are come to notice in the book. you can access these at

http://lalkitab1941.blogspot.com

and make the correction in your book.I will discuss this word with Prabhakar Ji and put necessary correction there also if required.RegardsNirmal

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote: