Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not Viraag as you seem to suggest. I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book available. Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong transcription. Sincerely, S P Khurana , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji,> > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus> comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. “> *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> longer as strong''''''//> > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page> 443. these are> > *"Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag"*> > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as> explained by Khurana ji.> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means "Aag ka> Bhabka" or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire.> > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in> the native will become like an "Aag ka Shola" (powerful for an instant) .> which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is> termed like as "Zamaney Kee begum" indirectoly pointing towards the non> decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also> result in lesschild or no child.> > Regards> > Nirmal> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal> khurana_satpalwrote:> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> >> > *Lal Kitab Perspective:*> >> > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s predicament during> > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is> > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal> > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says :> >> >> >> > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus> > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment.> > “ *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> > longer as strong.> >> >> >> > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June> > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire> > 48th year.> >> >> >> > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab> > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill> > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked> > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore> > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is> > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.> >> >> >> > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to> > normalize the situation.> >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear astro surfer ji> > >> > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will> > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for> > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too .> > >> > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and> > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary> > > fire needed for spiritulaity .> > >> > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions> > >> > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , "astro.surfer"> > > astro.surfer@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?> > > >> > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart?> > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be> > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star.> > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the> > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus,> > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good> > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as> > > > his prized possessions.> > > >> > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in> > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else> > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.> > > >> > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle> > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of> > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.> > > >> > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1> > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully> > > > aspecting with a backward glance.> > > >> > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the> > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart> > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in> > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu.> > > >> > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in> > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between> > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in> > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will> > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu> > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde> > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him> > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar> > > > supporting.> > > >> > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial> > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self.> > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus> > > > relates to dharma.> > > >> > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will> > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined> > > > significations of venus in 9H.> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a> > > learner.> > > >> > > > Best regards> > > > Astrosurfer> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Bhasker, Not always.It depends upon the placement of Shukkar in Natal Chart.What one get in destiny will prevail. If venus in Natal chart is badly placed then there is every possibility of this.But for Natal venus in 4, It is seen in general. Person has to have another affair either by overlust or due to the ill health of spouse. Regarding original Lalkitabs transliteration, I have spare copy of 1941 edition , mail me your address I will send it you. Regarding other Two books, these are copyrighted material I cannot give you scanned copy. 1942 & 1952 edition may be available shortly. regards Nirmal , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear Bharadwaj ji, > > That was explained nicely. > > So what I understand is that suppose this was a mans Horosope in which > Venus comes to the 4th in the annual chart, he will himself not be > satisfied with one, but may go for another, to satiate his desires, and > one of these two may be jamaane ki begum, or a society woman. > > Okay, now where do I get this original Lal kitab, please guide me ? I > want to study further. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji, > > > > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*� when the > venus > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of > disenchantment. “ > > *aurat hua bairag*� can be interpreted both ways : that he gets > > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is > no > > longer as strong''''''// > > > > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on > page > > 443. these are > > > > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,* > > > > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " * > > > > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as > > explained by Khurana ji. > > > > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag > ka > > Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire. > > > > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for > woman in > > the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an > instant) . > > which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is > > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the > non > > decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also > > result in lesschild or no child. > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal > > khurana_satpal: > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > *Lal Kitab Perspective:* > > > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s > predicament during > > > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main > culprit is > > > also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh > Phal > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says > : > > > > > > > > > > > > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*� > when the venus > > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of > disenchantment. > > > “ *aurat hua bairag*� can be interpreted both ways : > that he gets > > > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion > is no > > > longer as strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after > June > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his > entire > > > 48th year. > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal > Kitab > > > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India > specially the hill > > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much > talked > > > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies > therefore > > > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when > Rahu is > > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in > order to > > > normalize the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends > will > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar > ji for > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted > and > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for > neccessary > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions > > > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astro.surfer " > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit? > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the > chart? > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will > be > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus > star. > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape > venus, > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give > good > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep > as > > > > > his prized possessions. > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. > Venus in > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one > else > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart. > > > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the > subtle > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes > charge of > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign > in D-1 > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is > fully > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > > > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only > the > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal > chart > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in > 7H in > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H > in > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes > between > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus > will > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in > rahu > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and > retrograde > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make > him > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar > > > > > supporting. > > > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the > primordial > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other > self. > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This > venus > > > > > relates to dharma. > > > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What > will > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined > > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > > > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a > > > > learner. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Astrosurfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Ram ji, Thanks. I will check this. blessings Renu , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Renu > > JHora has taken an arbitrary point somewhere between Sittingbourne and Ashford in Kent County? A useful website for Place/Street co- ords in England is “www.streetmap.co.uk <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> â€. > > Hope this answers your question? > > Best wishes ….. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of renunw > 12 October 2008 15:52 > > Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read this . Its revealing. > > Dear Ram ji, > > Thanks. I will note this down. But JHora gives a latitude and > longitude for Kent in UK. > > May be I'm wrong..please correct me if so. > > blessings > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Renu > > > > Would you happen to have the Place of Birth in Kent? Incase if not > already aware Kent is a County (State) in England and not a > town/city hence the question. > > > > Thanks and regards …… > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > [ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology ] On Behalf Of renunw > > 12 October 2008 12:05 > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read > this . Its revealing. > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > I can but only agree with your revelations and thanks for the same. > > > > // He said that for a Leo person, marital happiness would be a > rarity, > > unles he has very fortunate combinations in his chart for the > same // > > > > I've noticed this in quite a few Leo natives, though I don't have > their > > charts with me. Either their marriages are in jeopardy or they are > > divorced, separated, widowed etc. > > > > But there may be exceptions... > > > > I know a young couple who got married 2 years ago, Leo husband and > > Scorpio wife,......so far everything is a smooth sail for them. The > > husband is very caring and loving, and now the family is complete > with a > > baby girl. I've got only the chart of the husband with me. If > anybody > > is interested, in the Leo- Scorpio duel...sorry dual, let me give > the > > horoscope of the husband. I will try to get the wife's chart if > > possible. > > > > 6th September 1979 @ 6.06 AM in Kent, UK. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > > You have also taken up a good observation. > > > > > > As students our astrology class was also party to many off beat > > > discussions apart from our syllabus. I remember vividly one of my > > > Professors who is now a old man and a experienced astrologer > both in > > > Sayana and Nirayana. > > > > > > He said that for a Leo person, marital happiness would be a > rarity, > > > unles he has very fortunate combinations in his chart for the > same. > > This > > > is because Sun having ownership of the 1st house for Leo, and > Saturn > > > having ownership of the 7th house for Leo, are both sworn > enemies. > > Next, > > > Saturn is also the Lord of the 6th house, which adds to the > bitterness > > > in the marriage, as the 6th house traits are always the cause for > > > incompatibilities, and if they conjoin with the 12th and 8th, > then it > > is > > > a definite Divorce or seperation. > > > > > > A Leo nativity can suppress all the other natives bearing all > > ascendants > > > except for Scorpio. > > > > > > A Scorpio nativity can suppress all the other natives bearing all > > > ascendants, except Leo. > > > > > > So here we have the clash of Titans , whenever the clash takes > place > > it > > > would be a enjoyable scene for the neighbours. > > > > > > In our case we both have strong Mars in our lagnas, so when we > enter > > > into a clash, anybody else coming in the firing range would be > > clobbered > > > mercilessly. > > > > > > That is something to chew upon, this Sunday. > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com, " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for commencing an interesting and educative discussion. > I was > > > > keenly attentive throughout the discussion, for a good reason > too. > > > > Leo husband + Scorpion wife is something personal to me, and > seems > > > > to create problems during the current planetary movements.... > or is > > > > it inherent in their nature? > > > > > > > > I am not surprised of your wife's 'hot temper and religious > > > > inclination', both traits will go hand in hand quite > > > > comfortably.....I would say this is the 'true Scorpion spirit'. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram Jaiswalji, > > > > > > > > > > I have already put a query about a year back in Group of > Priya > > > > > Bhooshanji, whic was not about my personal chart, but about > some > > > > > technical confirmations, which did not even eecit a response, > > > > forget any > > > > > reply, after that I never visited that Forum ever. But if you > > > > suggest > > > > > then I may post a enquiry there one of these days, but I do > my > > > > studies > > > > > myself on my chart, and do not take whatever anyone says at > deep > > > > level, > > > > > but just at surface level. > > > > > > > > > > About Ketu in my 7th house , I will comment later on, but as > per > > > > lal > > > > > Kitab, it is supposed to offer favourable results when native > > > > attains > > > > > age of 55. And also when the native son attains major age. > > > > > > > > > > Yes Mytempered, but she wife is very hot is also very > religious, > > > > and > > > > > whatever she utters, comes our true. If she curses someone > it will > > > > come > > > > > out true, if she blesses someone it will manifest. She is a > stauch > > > > lover > > > > > of Hanuman Baba and Shrikrishna, and a daughter from a > family of > > > > > devotees and from a very rich business family . When she > > > > criticises with > > > > > her 3 inch tongue even a man of 6 feet will be mowed down > like a > > > > > spineless rubber, and when she praises, then the praise will > be > > > > geuine. > > > > > She certainly holds respect from all those who come in > contact > > > > with her. > > > > > This much info. is enough for the moment, about her. > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com, " Ram Jaswal " > > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:Lal Kitab may I suggest your contacting Pundit Priya > > > > Bhooshanji of > > > > > â€Å " @ <% > 40> â€ÂÂ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally speaking I feel Ketu is the Graha to be > propitiated? > > > > If I > > > > > may ask is your wife of a â€Å " short temperââ ‚¬Â as Ketu > in > > > 7th > > > > > Hse generally denotes this amongst other things? > Re:disagreements > > > > during > > > > > Rahu Kalam periods I assume generally as opposed from only > > > > Fridays? Per > > > > > Vim you are currently in Rahu/Rahu/Mer and Chara Tau/Aqu â > € " I > > > > > consider Rahu as co-lord of Aqu hence understandable 7th Hse > focus > > > > > during said periods …. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes ….. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > khurana_satpal > > > > > > 11 October 2008 13:04 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> astrology@grou <astrology% 40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Rahu Kalam - > Please read > > > > this > > > > > . Its revealing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still a novice as far as the Lal Kitab is concerned. > > > > Devising > > > > > > Lal Kitab upaya is a very serious matter and should not be > done > > > > by > > > > > > beginners like me. Therefore I suggest that Bhaskar ji > should > > > > > > consult some senior Lal Kitab scholar/s. I will not be in a > > > > position > > > > > > to suggest any name either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " sunil nair " > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear satpal khurana ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many many thanks for giving us Lal kitab perspectivses .I > > > > always > > > > > > > wonder always abt any system of indian predictiv systems > will > > b > > > > > > > contributing to each other than contradicting each > other . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what ever way we look it ,is not a matter of concern > wheter > > its > > > > > > > various astrology form s or hand reading or samudrika > > > > sastra .We > > > > > > must b > > > > > > > gr8ful to our ancesters and gr8 rishis for giving us > such a > > gr8 > > > > > > sciences > > > > > > > which is helping humanity in general . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now sir one thing u dont made it clear .U said " Therefore > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to > normalize > > > > the > > > > > > > situation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u suggest remedies what shud b done by bhaskar > ji ,so the > > > > > > nativ is > > > > > > > out of this kind of pestering problem tho it is not > seems to b > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all this is for reliving the tension and > problems .so > > the > > > > > > remedial > > > > > > > measures r important . can u suggest tru grp or mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the by Bhaskarjis computer is in trouble and his > access is > > > > > > limited i > > > > > > > heard frm him yestrday ,so i dont know when he will b > > > > comfortable > > > > > > with > > > > > > > that . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank u for trying the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " khurana_satpal " > > > > > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Perspective: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar > > > jiÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > > > > > > predicament during Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem > with > > > > the > > > > > > Lal > > > > > > > > Kitab perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar jiÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ s contention that Venus > happens to > > be > > > the > > > > > main > > > > > > > > culprit is also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th > year > > > > Varsh > > > > > > Phal > > > > > > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the > Lal > > > > Kitab > > > > > > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua > > > > > bairagÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â when > > > > > > > > the venus comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > disenchantment. ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " aurat hua bairagÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Â can > > > be > > > > > interpreted > > > > > > > > both ways : that he gets disenchanted , it can also > mean > > > > that in > > > > > > her > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > the fire of passion is no longer as strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been > > pronounced > > > > > > after > > > > > > > June > > > > > > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year > i.e. > > > > during > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > entire 48th year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal > specially ? The > > > > Lal > > > > > > Kitab > > > > > > > > doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t say any thing about it > because in North > > > India > > > > > specially > > > > > > > > the hill regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, > Rahu > > > > Kal > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > much talked about. But in astrological terms Venus and > the > > > > Rahu > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > enemies therefore the adverse effects of venus would > come > > > > forth > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > the period when Rahu is strong, more so during his > Rahu/Rahu > > > > > > dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his > > > > Venus in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to normalize the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " sunil nair " > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i > hope such > > > > > > trends > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm > sri > > > > > > bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu > is > > > > > > entrusted > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the > karaka for > > > > > > neccessary > > > > > > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv > some > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in > grp > > > > too . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " astro.surfer " > > > > > > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real > culprit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus > doing > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the > > native > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna > rising > > in > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > star. > > > > > > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as > he is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able > to > > > > escape > > > > > > > venus, > > > > > > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will > always > > > > > > give good > > > > > > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to > cherish > > > > and > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > his prized possessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him > vaitarni > > > > paar. > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv > punya. It > > > > is no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in > leo. See > > > > the > > > > > > > subtle > > > > > > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, > venus > > > > takes > > > > > > charge > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in > > > > martian > > > > > > sign in > > > > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars > > > > personified, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the > chart, it > > is > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and > 7L in > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife > being 7L, > > > > 7L > > > > > > in 7H > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with > Jup, > > > > mars and > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is > > > > there in > > > > > > 7H in > > > > > > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for > unnecessary > > > > > > disputes > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and > misunderstandings. > > > > So in > > > > > > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being > in > > 9H, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga > > > > > > saptashati in > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also > sun and > > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and > Karkamsh, > > > > can > > > > > > make > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially > dasha > > > > and > > > > > > antar > > > > > > > > > > supporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus > the > > > > > > primordial > > > > > > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, > his own > > > > other > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H > again. > > > > This > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > relates to dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of > his > > > > heart? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all > possible > > > > combined > > > > > > > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my > understanding. 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Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Khurana Ji, It seems that You have confusion regarding the Declaring a planet of Janm Waqt and the time allocated to them. Please have a reading of 1939 book it explained it in detail. Regarding Rahu Kal, Yes, it is of muhurta part and is changing every day and is place specific. It depends upon the duration of the day. I have included it my software for which I worked earlier. I have full algorithm for it. In my opinion in the Kaals(time duration) of these two nodes as given in lalkitab, normaly as per rituals, sleeping is prohibited. May be due to save one from these two omenous planets. Regards Nirmal On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpalwrote: > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, > > Rahu Kaal is a concept used in the sense of Muhurth in traditional > astrology { Bhaskar ji would correct me if I am wrong ]. That keeps > changing according to the day of the week and is worked out based on > the time elapsed from sunrise at that particular city/place. It is > time, place and the day of the week specific. > Where as in the lal kitab the time allocation you have mentioned is > used as Epoch of birth [ janma wakt ]. Although the time alloted to > Rahu is the entire time of the evening after sun set to the first > appearance of the stars, but the time mentioned in the book is such > an evening on a Thursday. It is not place specific. > Similarly for Ketu it is the usha kal before sunrise and in the book > it is mentioned for a Sunday specially. This again is not place > specific. > > Sincerely, > > S P Khurana > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > " Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab " > > > > In Lal Kitab Every planet has been allocated permanent Time / > kalam for > > them. Two nodes get the Gandantha of Day and Night or night & > day. as far > > as I remember , approximately 120 minutes before sunrise allocated > to Ketu > > and may be termed as Ketu's Kaal and 240 minutes allocated to Rahu > after > > sunset to Rahu. > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Bhaskar > <rajiventerpriseswrote: > > > > > Dear Khuranaji, > > > > > > Yes You are right about my contention of Venus due to lal Kitab. > > > > > > But it also comes through traditional, as Venus is placed in the > > > badhakasthana. > > > > > > You mentioned about fire of passion not being too strong. You > may be right > > > here, but with proper circumstances and atmosphere, and with the > right > > > approach, this fire does not take more than 10 minutes to > ignite, even with > > > rishi Munis, so who are we, but ordinary mortals. For us if > external support > > > is available, it does not take more than 30 seconds to ignite, > let me be > > > very frank with you. This is the ground level reality and > applicable to most > > > of us. > > > > > > *As per lal Kitab, in the 48th year , My venus stays where it > is, in the > > > natal chart, that is in the 9th house, It does not come to the > 4th house, > > > as you wrote* ( Please correct me if I am wrong ). > > > > > > EVEN WHEN VENUS COMES IN THE 4TH HOUSE THE RESULTS ARE SAID AS - > > > > > > " Aurat ki ho aajaari " > > > > > > ( here " ajaari means " kashta " and not connected to passion ). > > > > > > or else > > > > > > " chauthe auraat do hota hai " , > > > > > > which means,'the native may have two women in his Life. > > > > > > About the mention of Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab,I know that there > is a faint > > > mention indirectly about this , but where, I am not able to > pinpoint. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > " khurana_satpal " > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Perspective: > > > > > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s > > > > predicament during Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with > the Lal > > > > Kitab perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main > > > > culprit is also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year > Varsh Phal > > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag†when > > > > the venus comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount > of > > > > disenchantment. “ aurat hua bairag†can be interpreted > > > > both ways : that he gets disenchanted , it can also mean that > in her too > > > > the fire of passion is no longer as strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced > after June > > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. > during his > > > > entire 48th year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The > Lal Kitab > > > > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially > > > > the hill regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal > is not > > > > much talked about. But in astrological terms Venus and the > Rahu are > > > > enemies therefore the adverse effects of venus would come > forth during > > > > the period when Rahu is strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu > dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus > in order > > > > to normalize the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such > trends will > > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri > bhaskar ji > > > > for > > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > > > > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is > entrusted and > > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for > neccessary > > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > > > > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some > opinions > > > > > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40.\ com>, > " astro.surfer " > > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing > in the > > > > chart? > > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native > will be > > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in > venus > > > > star. > > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the > > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to > escape venus, > > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always > give good > > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish > and keep as > > > > > > his prized possessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni > paar. Venus > > > > in > > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is > no one > > > > else > > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See > the subtle > > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus > takes charge > > > > of > > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian > sign in > > > > D-1 > > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars > personified, is fully > > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is > only the > > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in > natal chart > > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, > 7L in 7H in > > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars > and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there > in 7H in > > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary > disputes > > > > between > > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So > in > > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, > venus will > > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga > saptashati in > > > > rahu > > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and > retrograde > > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, > can make him > > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and > antar > > > > > > supporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the > primordial > > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own > other self. > > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. > This venus > > > > > > relates to dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his > heart? What > > > > will > > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible > combined > > > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am > only a > > > > > learner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Astrosurfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Khurana Ji,It is nice to hear that you read from the tranliteration of the original. Few printing errors are come to notice in the book. you can access these at http://lalkitab1941.blogspot.com and make the correction in your book.I will discuss this word with Prabhakar Ji and put necessary correction there also if required.RegardsNirmal On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote: Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not Viraag as you seem to suggest. I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book available. Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong transcription. Sincerely, S P Khurana , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji, > > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus> comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. “ > *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> longer as strong''''''// > > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page> 443. these are> > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " * > > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as> explained by Khurana ji.> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag ka> Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire. > > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in> the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an instant) .> which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the non> decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also> result in lesschild or no child.> > Regards > > Nirmal> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal> khurana_satpalwrote:> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> >> > *Lal Kitab Perspective:* > >> > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s predicament during> > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective.> >> >> > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is> > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says :> >> >> >> > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment.> > “ *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no > > longer as strong.> >> >> >> > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June> > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire > > 48th year.> >> >> >> > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab> > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked> > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore> > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.> >> >> >> > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to> > normalize the situation. > >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear astro surfer ji> > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will> > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for> > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > >> > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and> > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary> > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > >> > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions> > >> > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .> > >> > > > > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , " astro.surfer " > > > astro.surfer@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?> > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart?> > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be> > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star. > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the> > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus,> > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as> > > > his prized possessions.> > > >> > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else> > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.> > > >> > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of> > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.> > > >> > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1 > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully> > > > aspecting with a backward glance.> > > >> > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart> > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in> > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu. > > > >> > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in> > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between> > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will> > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu> > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him> > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar> > > > supporting.> > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial> > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self.> > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus > > > > relates to dharma.> > > >> > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will> > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined > > > > significations of venus in 9H.> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a> > > learner.> > > >> > > > Best regards > > > > Astrosurfer> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Nirbhar ji,Do you mean to say that these Hindi versions are only transliterations and not real translations and also they are full of errors.What about the English versions? Regards Neelam2008/10/12 Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar Dear Khurana Ji,It is nice to hear that you read from the tranliteration of the original. Few printing errors are come to notice in the book. you can access these at http://lalkitab1941.blogspot.com and make the correction in your book.I will discuss this word with Prabhakar Ji and put necessary correction there also if required.RegardsNirmal On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote: Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not Viraag as you seem to suggest. I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book available. Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong transcription. Sincerely, S P Khurana , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji, > > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus> comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. “ > *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no> longer as strong''''''// > > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page> 443. these are> > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,*> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " * > > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as> explained by Khurana ji.> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag ka> Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire. > > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in> the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an instant) .> which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the non> decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also> result in lesschild or no child.> > Regards > > Nirmal> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal> khurana_satpalwrote:> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> >> > *Lal Kitab Perspective:* > >> > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s predicament during> > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective.> >> >> > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is> > also borne out through the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says :> >> >> >> > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment.> > “ *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no > > longer as strong.> >> >> >> > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June> > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire > > 48th year.> >> >> >> > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab> > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked> > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore> > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha.> >> >> >> > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to> > normalize the situation. > >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear astro surfer ji> > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will> > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for> > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > >> > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and> > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary> > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > >> > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions> > >> > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too .> > >> > > > > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , " astro.surfer " > > > astro.surfer@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit?> > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart?> > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be> > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star. > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the> > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus,> > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as> > > > his prized possessions.> > > >> > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else> > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart.> > > >> > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of> > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H.> > > >> > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1 > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully> > > > aspecting with a backward glance.> > > >> > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart> > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in> > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu. > > > >> > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in> > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between> > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will> > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu> > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him> > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar> > > > supporting.> > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial> > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self.> > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus > > > > relates to dharma.> > > >> > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will> > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined > > > > significations of venus in 9H.> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a> > > learner.> > > >> > > > Best regards > > > > Astrosurfer> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Neelam Ji, Yes , These are the tranliteration of urdu Books not translations. These transliterations have very less printing errors. These books are trasliterated in such a way that all the pages are identical with the original one. and even the lines are the identical. this was done intentionaly to keep the sanctity of original material and to trace the printing error correctly and to refer page during discussions so that every member whether he is studying hinditransliteration or reading original Urdu books will come at par and in similar platform. This method helped us to work jointly and point printing error just refering page and verifiication come from many quarters of Urdu readers. These transliteration have very less printing errors.So I can reccomend them to be read by hindi readers. these are 1. Lalkitab 1939 - Transliterated by Pt.Beni Madhav Goswami 2. Lalkitab 1940(Known as lalkitab ke armaan) - Transliterated by Pt.Beni Madhav Goswami 3.Lalkitab 1941 teesra hissa transliterated by Pt. Yog Raj Prabhakar. Regards Nirmal , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Nirbhar ji, > > Do you mean to say that these Hindi versions are only transliterations and > not real translations and also they are full of errors. > What about the English versions? > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2008/10/12 Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > > > Dear Khurana Ji, > > > > It is nice to hear that you read from the tranliteration of the original. > > Few printing errors are come to notice in the book. you can access these at > > > > http://lalkitab1941.blogspot.com > > > > and make the correction in your book. > > > > I will discuss this word with Prabhakar Ji and put necessary correction > > there also if required. > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_ satpalwrote: > > > >> Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, > >> > >> The word written in the book is VAIRAAG and not *Viraag* as you seem to > >> suggest. > >> > >> I have checked it from Page 97 line # 1 of 1941 hindi version of shri > >> Yograj prabhakar. This is the most authentic hindi version of the book > >> available. > >> > >> Therefore to say that it is Viraag a Persian word doesn't sound correct, > >> unless of course you mean to say that shri Prabhakar has done a wrong > >> transcription. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> S P Khurana > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > >> <nirbhar@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji, > >> > > >> > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*� when the venus > >> > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. > >> “ > >> > *aurat hua bairag*� can be interpreted both ways : that he gets > >> > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is > >> no > >> > longer as strong''''''// > >> > > >> > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on > >> page > >> > 443. these are > >> > > >> > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,* > >> > > >> > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " * > >> > > >> > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as > >> > explained by Khurana ji. > >> > > >> > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag ka > >> > Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire. > >> > > >> > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman > >> in > >> > the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an instant) > >> . > >> > which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is > >> > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the non > >> > decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also > >> > result in lesschild or no child. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Nirmal > >> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal > >> > khurana_satpal: > >> > > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji, > >> > > > >> > > *Lal Kitab Perspective:* > >> > > > >> > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s predicament > >> during > >> > > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit > >> is > >> > > also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal > >> > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says : > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*� when the venus > >> > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of > >> disenchantment. > >> > > “ *aurat hua bairag*� can be interpreted both ways : that he gets > >> > > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is > >> no > >> > > longer as strong. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after > >> June > >> > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his > >> entire > >> > > 48th year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab > >> > > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially the > >> hill > >> > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much > >> talked > >> > > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies > >> therefore > >> > > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when > >> Rahu is > >> > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order > >> to > >> > > normalize the situation. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sincerely, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > S P Khurana > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > , " sunil nair " > >> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna > >> > > > > >> > > > dear astro surfer ji > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends > >> will > >> > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji > >> for > >> > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > >> > > > > >> > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted > >> and > >> > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary > >> > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > >> > > > > >> > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions > >> > > > > >> > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too . > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair > >> > > > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > , " astro.surfer " > >> > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the > >> chart? > >> > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be > >> > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus > >> star. > >> > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the > >> > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape > >> venus, > >> > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good > >> > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep > >> as > >> > > > > his prized possessions. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. > >> Venus in > >> > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one > >> else > >> > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the > >> subtle > >> > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge > >> of > >> > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in > >> D-1 > >> > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is > >> fully > >> > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the > >> > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal > >> chart > >> > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H > >> in > >> > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and > >> Rahu. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in > >> > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes > >> between > >> > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in > >> > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus > >> will > >> > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in > >> rahu > >> > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and > >> retrograde > >> > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make > >> him > >> > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar > >> > > > > supporting. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial > >> > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other > >> self. > >> > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This > >> venus > >> > > > > relates to dharma. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What > >> will > >> > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined > >> > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a > >> > > > learner. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Best regards > >> > > > > Astrosurfer > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, I have the 1939,1940,1941 editions too with authentic transliteration. I am not confused about it. I have read all the five editions thoroughly. There is absolutely no difference between the janma waqt ka grah and the time alotted to them during the day. If a person is born in the slot of time assigned to the planet , that planet becomes the planet of the janma waqt. What is confusing about it. The rahu kaal as is used in Muhurth in the traditional astrology, has no mention in the Lal Kitab. Your software if takes care of the rahu Kaal, then it must be based on the traditional astrology. Sincerely, S P Khurana , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote: > > Dear Khurana Ji, > > It seems that You have confusion regarding the Declaring a planet of Janm > Waqt and the time allocated to them. Please have a reading of 1939 book it > explained it in detail. > > Regarding Rahu Kal, Yes, it is of muhurta part and is changing every day and > is place specific. It depends upon the duration of the day. I have included > it my software for which I worked earlier. I have full algorithm for it. > > In my opinion in the Kaals(time duration) of these two nodes as given in > lalkitab, normaly as per rituals, sleeping is prohibited. May be due to save > one from these two omenous planets. > > Regards > > Nirmal > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpalwrote: > > > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, > > > > Rahu Kaal is a concept used in the sense of Muhurth in traditional > > astrology { Bhaskar ji would correct me if I am wrong ]. That keeps > > changing according to the day of the week and is worked out based on > > the time elapsed from sunrise at that particular city/place. It is > > time, place and the day of the week specific. > > Where as in the lal kitab the time allocation you have mentioned is > > used as Epoch of birth [ janma wakt ]. Although the time alloted to > > Rahu is the entire time of the evening after sun set to the first > > appearance of the stars, but the time mentioned in the book is such > > an evening on a Thursday. It is not place specific. > > Similarly for Ketu it is the usha kal before sunrise and in the book > > it is mentioned for a Sunday specially. This again is not place > > specific. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > S P Khurana > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > " Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab " > > > > > > In Lal Kitab Every planet has been allocated permanent Time / > > kalam for > > > them. Two nodes get the Gandantha of Day and Night or night & > > day. as far > > > as I remember , approximately 120 minutes before sunrise allocated > > to Ketu > > > and may be termed as Ketu's Kaal and 240 minutes allocated to Rahu > > after > > > sunset to Rahu. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Bhaskar > > <rajiventerprises@>wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Khuranaji, > > > > > > > > Yes You are right about my contention of Venus due to lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > But it also comes through traditional, as Venus is placed in the > > > > badhakasthana. > > > > > > > > You mentioned about fire of passion not being too strong. You > > may be right > > > > here, but with proper circumstances and atmosphere, and with the > > right > > > > approach, this fire does not take more than 10 minutes to > > ignite, even with > > > > rishi Munis, so who are we, but ordinary mortals. For us if > > external support > > > > is available, it does not take more than 30 seconds to ignite, > > let me be > > > > very frank with you. This is the ground level reality and > > applicable to most > > > > of us. > > > > > > > > *As per lal Kitab, in the 48th year , My venus stays where it > > is, in the > > > > natal chart, that is in the 9th house, It does not come to the > > 4th house, > > > > as you wrote* ( Please correct me if I am wrong ). > > > > > > > > EVEN WHEN VENUS COMES IN THE 4TH HOUSE THE RESULTS ARE SAID AS - > > > > > > > > " Aurat ki ho aajaari " > > > > > > > > ( here " ajaari means " kashta " and not connected to passion ). > > > > > > > > or else > > > > > > > > " chauthe auraat do hota hai " , > > > > > > > > which means,'the native may have two women in his Life. > > > > > > > > About the mention of Rahu Kalam in Lal Kitab,I know that there > > is a faint > > > > mention indirectly about this , but where, I am not able to > > pinpoint. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " khurana_satpal " > > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Perspective: > > > > > > > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s > > > > > predicament during Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with > > the Lal > > > > > Kitab perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main > > > > > culprit is also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year > > Varsh Phal > > > > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab > > says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag†when > > > > > the venus comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount > > of > > > > > disenchantment. “ aurat hua bairag†can be interpreted > > > > > both ways : that he gets disenchanted , it can also mean that > > in her too > > > > > the fire of passion is no longer as strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced > > after June > > > > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. > > during his > > > > > entire 48th year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The > > Lal Kitab > > > > > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially > > > > > the hill regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal > > is not > > > > > much talked about. But in astrological terms Venus and the > > Rahu are > > > > > enemies therefore the adverse effects of venus would come > > forth during > > > > > the period when Rahu is strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu > > dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus > > in order > > > > > to normalize the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such > > trends will > > > > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri > > bhaskar ji > > > > > for > > > > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > > > > > > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is > > entrusted and > > > > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for > > neccessary > > > > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > > > > > > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <% 40>, > > " astro.surfer " > > > > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing > > in the > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native > > will be > > > > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in > > venus > > > > > star. > > > > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the > > > > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to > > escape venus, > > > > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always > > give good > > > > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish > > and keep as > > > > > > > his prized possessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni > > paar. Venus > > > > > in > > > > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is > > no one > > > > > else > > > > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See > > the subtle > > > > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus > > takes charge > > > > > of > > > > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian > > sign in > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars > > personified, is fully > > > > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is > > only the > > > > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in > > natal chart > > > > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, > > 7L in 7H in > > > > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars > > and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there > > in 7H in > > > > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary > > disputes > > > > > between > > > > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So > > in > > > > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, > > venus will > > > > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga > > saptashati in > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and > > retrograde > > > > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, > > can make him > > > > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and > > antar > > > > > > > supporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the > > primordial > > > > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own > > other self. > > > > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. > > This venus > > > > > > > relates to dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his > > heart? What > > > > > will > > > > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible > > combined > > > > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am > > only a > > > > > > learner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > Astrosurfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Respected Nirmal Ji It seems that the lines -- Shukkar chauthey jab paaani aaya ,aurat hua vairag/virag .....etc. This line doesnt occur in 1952 urdu edition at the page which u have quoted.These lines occured in 1941 editon at page 97 & in 1942 edition on page 150 at line no. 5. Plz recheck on the page u have quoted as 443. with regards Pt.Lalkitabee , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar Ji & Khurana Ji, > > *//''''Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. “ > *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no > longer as strong''''''// > > I reproduse the above lines as exists in original Lalkitab . It is on page > 443. these are > > * " Shukkar Chauthey Jab Paani Aaya , Aurat hua **viraag**,* > > *Ek se do bhee huyi, per bhuji nahin un kee aag " * > > The word is viraag not Bairag. The word Bairag means disenchantment as > explained by Khurana ji. > > But the actual word is viraag which is a persian word and means " Aag ka > Bhabka " or Aag ka Sholaa a big quantum of fire. > > This means Shukkar when comes in the house of water, The lust for woman in > the native will become like an " Aag ka Shola " (powerful for an instant) . > which in result may give urge for more woman. One amongst his woman is > termed like as " Zamaney Kee begum " indirectoly pointing towards the non > decency. That instant lusty power may not satisfy any one and may also > result in lesschild or no child. > > Regards > > Nirmal > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, khurana_satpal > <khurana_satpalwrote: > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > *Lal Kitab Perspective:* > > > > I had been reading with academic interest Bhaskar ji’s predicament during > > Rahu Kal. I did look at his problem with the Lal Kitab perspective. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji’ s contention that Venus happens to be the main culprit is > > also borne out through the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji is currently in his 48th year. In his 48th year Varsh Phal > > chart Venus is placed in the 4th house for which the Lal Kitab says : > > > > > > > > “ *Shukra chauthe jab paani ayaa, aurat hua bairag*†when the venus > > comes to the 4th house , it sets in a certain amount of disenchantment. > > “ *aurat hua bairag*†can be interpreted both ways : that he gets > > disenchanted , it can also mean that in her too the fire of passion is no > > longer as strong. > > > > > > > > I believe his Rahu Kal predicament would have been pronounced after June > > this year and is likely to last till June next year i.e. during his entire > > 48th year. > > > > > > > > But why should it happen during the Rahu Kal specially ? The Lal Kitab > > doesn’t say any thing about it because in North India specially the hill > > regions where the Lal Kitab originated from, Rahu Kal is not much talked > > about. But in astrological terms Venus and the Rahu are enemies therefore > > the adverse effects of venus would come forth during the period when Rahu is > > strong, more so during his Rahu/Rahu dasha. > > > > > > > > Therefore Bhaskar ji will have to do some thing for his Venus in order to > > normalize the situation. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear astro surfer ji > > > > > > Thanks for ur views .yes dasa also supports it i hope such trends will > > > go down after this month .we will get feed backs frm sri bhaskar ji for > > > sure and we can update our undrstanding too . > > > > > > i blv his sani has some spiritual mission which rahu is entrusted and > > > sani being 7th L etc acting tru venus also the karaka for neccessary > > > fire needed for spiritulaity . > > > > > > let us wait and i hope other memebrs also will giv some opinions > > > > > > also i wud lov to hear opinion frm lal kitabies in grp too . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > , " astro.surfer " > > > astro.surfer@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Why don't you think that Ketu in 7H is the real culprit? > > > > > > > > Rahu and Mars hold the steering, but what is venus doing in the chart? > > > > It is the SAARTHI? showing the direction where the native will be > > > > heading. In 9H in LL Sun's constellation. Lagna rising in venus star. > > > > It is very important to understand this venus as he is the > > > > karma-dharmadhipati. The native will never be able to escape venus, > > > > though he might keep running from it, but it will always give good > > > > things in life, things that native will love to cherish and keep as > > > > his prized possessions. > > > > > > > > Venus is the Atmakarak, the planet to take him vaitarni paar. Venus in > > > > AL in 9H with and arudh of 9H in 5H of poorv punya. It is no one else > > > > but a projection of self. Venus is the soul of this chart. > > > > > > > > Venus gives 7 ashtakvarga points aries and 6 in leo. See the subtle > > > > root connection with lagna and LL. In vimsamsh, venus takes charge of > > > > the wheel with mars and sun in the 7H. > > > > > > > > Mars, the YK fully energises this venus, who is in martian sign in D-1 > > > > and aspected by mars in D-9. Rahu, who is mars personified, is fully > > > > aspecting with a backward glance. > > > > > > > > Venus does not fully represent spouse in the chart, it is only the > > > > karak for 7H in 9H. It has no relation with 7H and 7L in natal chart > > > > as well as D-9, whereas Saturn represents wife being 7L, 7L in 7H in > > > > navamsha and Dk. It is saturn all the way, with Jup, mars and Rahu. > > > > > > > > Rahu-kaalam impact on wife could be because ketu is there in 7H in > > > > dhanishtha. Ketu in 7H is responsible for unnecessary disputes between > > > > partners and causes disillusion and misunderstandings. So in > > > > rahu-kaalam, this can surface more. Where as being in 9H, venus will > > > > promote religious affairs and it made him do durga saptashati in rahu > > > > kalam. The fault lies with ketu, not venus. Also sun and retrograde > > > > mercury in Rahu's nakshatra in 2H from AK and Karkamsh, can make him > > > > say unpleasant things in rahu-kaalam, especially dasha and antar > > > > supporting. > > > > > > > > What are the impulses that this venus gives? Venus the primordial > > > > shakti, venus the ardhnaareeshwar in the chart, his own other self. > > > > Venus is in sagitarius in navamsh, the natural 9H again. This venus > > > > relates to dharma. > > > > > > > > What is it that he would like from the bottom of his heart? What will > > > > be the innermost urges? I am sure it is all possible combined > > > > significations of venus in 9H. > > > > > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding. I am only a > > > learner. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Astrosurfer > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 // What happens when there is a love marriage? The house which was conducive before marriage, becomes obtrusive after marriage? // When there is a love marriage and the dasha denotes 2nd or 7th house or the 5th house, then the Love will continue even after the marriage, but after marriage if the 8th house is activated, or the 6th, or the 12th, or all of these jointly combined, the the Love is finished after the initial few months of Honey moon, and the ground level realities take over, exposing the torn segments of each of the couples character, destroying the love and creating way for seperations. Note that the Leo nativity will fall in love every time when the planet Jupiter is activated in his Life, or when any Planet in nakshatra of Jupiter is activated, but along with the 5th house even the 8th is activated, so their love affairs have always to suffer breaks. These nativities are alsosubject mostly to Heart attacks, not because the Leo sign denotes Heart, but because the 8th is also activated alongwith the 5th , mandatorily causing surgery related to heart, more often than not. regards, Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> I will take care. Thanks.> > 6H is the prime house of duality. It is governed by dual master mercury.> > It is an upchay house for self and takes us through a journey started with> previous karmas (5H) which has rough roads, disputes, and all Ds associated> with it. The same house will make one a doctor and the other person a> patient. It can make or mar your life (in wordly terms).> > Regarding relationships, it promotes the 5H and gives results for romances,> affairs, previous lives, etc. where as the same 6H also governs the loss and> expense of marriage.> So good for 5H but not good for 7H?? Lord of 5H in 6H is good, but lord of> 7H in 6H is condemned.> > What happens when there is a love marriage? The house which was conducive> before marriage, becomes obtrusive after marriage?> > What is the message here?> Regards> Neelam> > 2008/10/12 Bhaskar rajiventerprises > >> > Please do not pass this to the lady in question, as this dialouge was> > principally between two class mates. I fear that after reading this, she> > or her husband may get dejected and not make any efforts to repair their> > lives, thinking that Our Charts are unfortunate. ( And actually one has> > to explain them that they are having fortunes in other areas, though not> > in Marriage, but all this can be done only face to face, and my mail is> > negative worded, considering that i was conversing with you in the astro> > language ).> >> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > Thank you for sharing your views with the analysis of the two charts.> > I'll> > > pass it on to the lady in question and get her feedback on this.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2008/10/12 Bhaskar rajiventerprises@> > >> > > > *The Lady -*> >> > > > In The Ladys chart Sun MD uptil 2013.> > > > The Sun signifies the houses 6, 7,10, and 12.> > > > Of these except for the 7th houses, rest are not> > > > favourable for compatibility. So this Mahadasha> > > > is not very favourable for marriage happiness.> > > >> > > > The next MD is of Moon.> > > > Moon signifies 3,4, 9 and 12.> > > > Of these 4 and 12 are not favourable for marriage.> > > > Rest are neutral.> > > >> > > > Punarphoo Dosa is there in the chart, due to> > > > Moon in Pushya nakshatra owned by the Moon.> > > >> > > > Saturn is aspecting the Moon in the 9th.> > > > Mars is aspecting the Moon in the 9th.> > > > ( It also carries Rahus influence alongwith it).> > > >> > > > When the Moon is aflicted, then the native may> > > > be behaving unconventionally, so one can expect> > > > the husband to be at the receiving end causing> > > > disruptions in the married Life..> > > >> > > > Venus is unfortunateky placed in the Rohini> > > > Nakshatra owned by Moon who is seated in the> > > > badhakasthana. Notice the house of> > > > bed pleasures which is the 12th, Lorded by> > > > Venus, is placed 8th from its own house,> > > > denying actual bed pleasures in the frequency> > > > required by the native.> > > >> > > > So though Venus may be well placed> > > > and looking strong it is actually not> > > > giving desired results.> > > >> > > > Her speech may be giving her money or not I dont> > > > know, but she is certainly capable of good sarcasm and> > > > the cutting edge, whenever she wishes this on a unsuspecting> > > > Godforsaken victim. The house of speech carries the> > > > influence of both Rahu, Mars,Saturn and Jupiter.> > > >> > > > *The Husband -*> > > >> > > > Venus MD till 2012> > > > Venus signifies 2,3,5,6,8,9,10, 7 and 12.> > > > Of these 2 and 7 are good but powerless against the> > > > joint activation of 6,8,9,10 and 12.> > > > 9th, we must not forget, is also the badhaksthana.> > > >> > > > The 7th lord saturn is in the 6th from its own house,> > > > spoiling the effects of the 7th. It is also connected with> > > > Mars, who is the badhaka Lord. Incidentally,> > > > Mars is debilitated.> > > >> > > > The 12th lord of bed pleasures Moon, is placed debilitated in the> > 4th. Remember> > > > that it is also the Lord of denial, and due to its placement in the> > 4th,> > > > it will deny domestic happiness to the native., alongwith no> > physical> > > > comfort.> > > > The Sun is unfortunately clouded by the aspect of Saturn.> > > >> > > > But his life will change remarkably better ( Relatively ) when the> > Sun> > > > mahadasha enters his Life.> > > >> > > > *My comments -*> > > > This is an unfortunate match. I do not know how they manage. they> > seem not> > > > to have finished their fights in the last janma, so brought together> > in this> > > > Life, to finish it off.> > > > If given a scale and asked to measure, I would say that both> > > > of them have got equally bad charts, but The Lion here will> > > > be overpowered in a straight fight by the Scorpion, no doubt> > > > about this.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> > "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am giving below the birth details of a couple given to me> > privately> > > > with> > > > > their consent to discuss their planetary positions regarding> > husband-wife> > > > > relationship.> > > > >> > > > > Female: 8.5.1954/19.15/Colombo, SL> > > > > Male: 17.10.1947/3.10/Horana, SL> > > > >> > > > > I am encouraged to take it up as we have two parallel threads> > running on> > > > > this topic. I am starting with a very basic discussion of some> > parameters> > > > > for the lady's chart. I invite opinions of learned members on this> > chart> > > > and> > > > > discussion on the husband's chart. Incidentally, the lady is> > scorpio> > > > lagna> > > > > and the man is leo lagna.> > > > >> > > > > Although LL and 7L are never friends, there's something more to> > > > Leo-scorpio> > > > > relationship. I am sure learned members would throw light on that.> > > > >> > > > > The lady has scorpio lagna with venus in own 7H. That makes the> > marriage> > > > > overall stable. Moon in cancer in 9H in pushya, gives strong> > religious> > > > > inclinations and spiritual advancements.> > > > >> > > > > But look at the influences on 2-6-10 houses and see how day-to-day> > > > conflicts> > > > > can crop up and create difficult situations, especially triggered> > by> > > > dashas> > > > > and transits.> > > > >> > > > > 2H has LL Mars in friendly sign. But with rahu and aspected by an> > exalted> > > > > saturn from 12H and its lord jup from 8H. This shows that the> > native has> > > > > much to do with speech and may have a profession connected with> > speech,> > > > but> > > > > this same speech also hampers the marital serenity as mars in 8H> > from 7th> > > > is> > > > > not in a friendly situation.> > > > >> > > > > 6H has exalted 10L sun with mercury, aspected by an exalted> > Saturn. Shows> > > > a> > > > > career related to law. But at the same time, this being 6H of> > disputes> > > > and> > > > > 12H from 7H, it happens at the expense of marriage and> > professional> > > > > compulsions also come into play.> > > > >> > > > > 10L is in 6H which is good for profession, but not so good for> > marital> > > > > happiness. This position can create difficulties and discords as> > 10H is> > > > > marital happiness and its lord has gone to the 12H of losses.> > > > >> > > > > Overall, we see a picture of ups and downs where the native may> > indulge> > > > in> > > > > verbal disagreements or disputes with her husband. It might be> > more with> > > > > relevant dasha and transit.> > > > >> > > > > At present, there is transit of ketu over her moon in 9H, and> > Saturn in> > > > 10H> > > > > which can disturb the mind and happiness of marriage.> > > > >> > > > > 9H related dasha/transit is not good for marriage as it is loss of> > > > marital> > > > > happiness with sudden obstacles/problems (3H from 7th)> > > > >> > > > > Let us have more on this and husband's chart.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dear Astrosurfer-ji, I always look up to your mails.. they are refreshing. One query please.... As you have explained for Venus in 9H.. could you please extend the same logic for Jup in 4H too ? To me, Jup in 4H (obviously exalted for LK)... it is 8H from its Agneya rasi Sagi... which should mean the fiery character of Jup is totally doused. It is 5H from Pisces.. that means Jup should be giving gyan /Jnan / knowledge or acquiring knowledge. Similarly, when in 10H.. the divine wisdom of Jup is used for Saturn (Shudra) like karma.. and hence debilitated. Am I on the right direction here ? Please guide. regards chakraborty astro.surfer [astro.surfer]Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read this . Its revealing. Dear All,For worldly actions, Venus in 9H is not in a favourable position fromboth its natural houses. From 2H it is in 8H, a position of conflictand obstacles and from the 7H, it is in 3H, which is a position ofsuddenness and sudden mishaps. It is badly placed from both its housesand in the house of inimical mars. 9H is the only position when venusgets a bad placement (3/8) from both its natural houses. Lal Kitaab views, based on pakka ghar of the planet may also notsupport this placement.But the point is that Venus has gone to 9H, the house of dharma, asthe lord of karma. If a person's karma is to go on a spiritual journey(9H) and if he has to move on the path of religion, then he has tohave struggles with family (2H) and wife (7H). This journey issupported by YK mars and rahu in close conjunction in lagna. He mighthave faced periods of severe trauma at times when pain becomesunbearable and one wants to leave everything and move on the spiritualpath. But it cannot be till we have rinanubandhans left. Venus may not really be responsible for the conflicts, but at the sametime, it is not promoting cordiality with its placement in thisregard, specially in a not-conducive dasha of ra-ra-ke (as per Lahiri).Along with this, Ketu in 7H in mar's nakshatra is fiery and can createmisunderstandings and sudden eruptions of temper and friction withspouse. It can be tested in the coming venus pratyantar from 27.10.08 to9.4.08. The conflicts will be less, he will feel comfortable and willget spiritual insights and will get good and rare opportunities forspiritual advancement. All this can be checked in this 6-month period.He will be shown the way. Also I feel, Rahu-Jup will give further support for spiritualadvancement. Jupiter is rasheesh in 2H from moon with 2L/3L Saturn,and jup is also the 4L of happiness (of 5H from lagna and moon lagna-- mind in sadhna) and in 10H from venus becomes karma of 9H. Hecannot escape this. But this might happen at the cost of lagna(health), family and spouse as Jup is with saturn in 6H and 6/8 fromboth lagna and lagna lord. He will have to choose his path carefully, trying to create minimumdiscomfort to others and self.AstrosurferThis Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji,While astrosurfer ji is not here, let us start the discussion on the interesting point of Jupiter in 4H, which you've raised here. I am sure other members will also share there views on this. Nectar of wisdom is churned in the cosmic womb. This is the statement that comes to mind when I try to reason it out. Cancer, the 4H is the cosmic womb.Jupiter, the lord of wisdom and dharma exalts here. From the 9H of fiery Sagittarius, which arouses the passion to move on the path of spirituality ad dharma, 4H is the hidden garbhsthan (8H). This is the place where churning of dharmic passions takes place and the crème or amrit obtained and sent back to the 9H from here which 12H, where the soul can be liberated. 4H is the place where we learn and imbibe our sanskars and move on to the 9H of higher learning and religion, when we need to re-search and do a soul-churning to really apply our learning for virtue and righteousness in the 9H. Once we are through with that, we are ready to take another step of 9 to reach the 12H of moksha. On an individual plane, this garbhsthan, is the house of family and domestic happiness and often churning of the soul takes place through his filial duties. Prakriti in 4H, produces the basic conditions for the seed which grows and fructifies on Purusha sprinkled by the 9H. The vital force originated in sagitarius gets dissipated in the 12H which is again prakriti, but only when it has passed the test in 4H. Let us have some brainstorming on this, before we take up the 10H. For those who wish to have more food for thought can brood over this statement. Battles are fought when we lose sight of wisdom and dharma. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Dear Neelamji & others, The best empirical evidence that one can have of the effects of planets is actually on one's own self. I have always wondered on the need to call the 9th house as the house of Dharma. The 4th house being 8th to the 4th - and thus the house of the unseen churning of the dharmic matter is well explained, but cant understand why the product is transfered to the 6th house from the 4th , i.e the 9th house for it to be manifested. So is the 9th house servicing the 4th & thus its servant ?? Interesting. Would also mean Bhagya is the result of the going on's in the 4th house ! Bhavat-Bhavah is indeed helpfull to understanding how life works.  Thanks & Regards  Chiranjiv Mehta  --- On Mon, 13/10/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Rahu Kalam - Please read this . Its revealing. Monday, 13 October, 2008, 10:52 PM Dear Chakraborty ji, While astrosurfer ji is not here, let us start the discussion on the interesting point of Jupiter in 4H, which you've raised here. I am sure other members will also share there views on this. Nectar of wisdom is churned in the cosmic womb. This is the statement that comes to mind when I try to reason it out. Cancer, the 4H is the cosmic womb. Jupiter, the lord of wisdom and dharma exalts here. From the 9H of fiery Sagittarius, which arouses the passion to move on the path of spirituality ad dharma, 4H is the hidden garbhsthan (8H). This is the place where churning of dharmic passions takes place and the crème or amrit obtained and sent back to the 9H from here which 12H, where the soul can be liberated. 4H is the place where we learn and imbibe our sanskars and move on to the 9H of higher learning and religion, when we need to re-search and do a soul-churning to really apply our learning for virtue and righteousness in the 9H. Once we are through with that, we are ready to take another step of 9 to reach the 12H of moksha. On an individual plane, this garbhsthan, is the house of family and domestic happiness and often churning of the soul takes place through his filial duties. Prakriti in 4H, produces the basic conditions for the seed which grows and fructifies on Purusha sprinkled by the 9H. The vital force originated in sagitarius gets dissipated in the 12H which is again prakriti, but only when it has passed the test in 4H. Let us have some brainstorming on this, before we take up the 10H. For those who wish to have more food for thought can brood over this statement. Battles are fought when we lose sight of wisdom and dharma. Regards Neelam Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Dear Chiranjiv ji,just a quick note here. //The best empirical evidence that one can have of the effects of planets is actually on one's own self.// of course//but cant understand why the product is transfered to the 6th house from the 4th , i.e the 9th house for it to be manifested.//The product is not transferred to 6H, it is transferred to the 9h from it (4H), which is the 12H, of moksha or liberation. I will write more about the 9H and dharma and Soma-Tara interpretation a little later. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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