Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Dear Chanduchill ji and group,Adding to Jup+venusIf also indicated by 6H/virgo/mercury/LL mars, this combination in 11H gives problems with liver, pancreas, kidney, or other abdominal glands. If it has malefic aspect, native can have over indulgence with food and drinks and get these problems. RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Chakraborthy, It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping things. With Regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Sreenivas-ji, Frankly, I don't know. But .. he appeared to be dead serious. He did not mention anything about career. He was bothered about the break in education in April 2007 and he is hoping for a better days ahead. If required, I will ask him. regards chakraborty sreeram srinivas [sreeram64] Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM Re: Planets speak... Dear Chakraborthy, It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping things. With Regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Respected Neelm Ji, Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!! //One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging.// I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i just have to keep on learning. Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malific coming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could you please throw some light on practical indications of this conjunction? Thank you once again for your educative post.. Regards Chandu2Chill , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Chanduchill ji, Let us see what Jup+Venus may give? The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali) But the way we could judge the combination is thus: Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native. Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In conjunction they become inimical. Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12L Venus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperity We get 4 combinations: 2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras, traditional and good speech,etc 2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong by placement of planets, as both are neutral houses 7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both MT signs, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and perception, etc. 7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner wisdom and become indifferent to husband. The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter in the chart and other placements. //What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e. 11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect// For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn. This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, good fortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple relationships/marriage, etc. As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna. Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature. 11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which native should overcome.The challenges could be: Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhak house, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak and Jupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like philanthropy later in life not liked by children. Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L. One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging. Hope it would help. Regards Neelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Chakraborty Ji, If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree with Sreeram Ji's comments //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used in lighter vein.// All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days..So AGE does not matter. Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! recent case: now NCW wants " Live-in-Relationship " legalized. Another Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-) What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to scratch their heads more!!!:-):-) because now onwards most queries from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in- relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton causes for this live-in-relationships? instead of How would be my Marriage/Married life?:-):-) Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment without going into the other factors, details of all planetary positions WHY? All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combination (Good = general wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their language? in a given chart? Regards Chandu2Chill , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Sreenivas-ji, > > Frankly, I don't know. But .. he appeared to be dead serious. > > He did not mention anything about career. He was bothered about > the break in education in April 2007 and he is hoping for a better > days ahead. If required, I will ask him. > > regards > > chakraborty > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64] > Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM > > Re: Planets speak... > > > > > Dear Chakraborthy, > > It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used > in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial > renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping > things. > > With Regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Chandu 2 chill. Hello . You mentioned about 48+ men not knowing about women etc. Kya baat karte ho bhai. aise hi jawaan ho gaye kya hum ? Aur abhi bhi jawaani ke 4 dinon mein ek din baaki hai bhai. Jara raham karo. My dear, after 40 man bcomes naughty. before that they are children. Hamne toh apne jamaane mein hare bhare vraksha dekhe hain bhai. Tum toh abhi haddi dancha dekhte ho jyaadatar jinke paas kapde bhi kam hote hain pahanne ko. But I appreciate your experience at a young age. I know this much and agree to you you that a women or a girl can harass any boy above 18 years easily with her tactics and antics. A wife can harass a husband and the poor man may have no recourse to confide in, or repair his hurt. A teenager can lash out at a 50 year old man and put him on his knees. And a young beautiful lady can take out the spice and discipline of any man and make him servile like a rubber band, with her beautful bewitching smile. You also mentioned something that you are a Lover to women. Even after knowing all the above problems which a women can create for a man, I will confess that I too am a lover of women ( HaHa). I enjoyed your post very much for this once. Your views seem to be updated and fresh. And you are right. I have already started feeling the pain of replying to the idiots involved in live in relationships and get a real headache in trying to fix the period of their temporary loves. best wishes, Bhaskar. P. S. Dear Moderator. This post is just for humour. So please do not mind. , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty Ji,> > If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree > with Sreeram Ji's comments> > //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by> women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word "harassed" may be used> in lighter vein.//> > All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making > general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India > (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our > Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in > perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough > estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it > Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego > clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days..So AGE does > not matter.> > Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly > thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased > women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the > agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! > > recent case: now NCW wants "Live-in-Relationship" legalized. Another > Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-)> > What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to > scratch their heads more!!!:-):-) because now onwards most queries > from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in-> relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton > causes for this live-in-relationships? instead of How would be my > Marriage/Married life?:-):-)> > Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination > persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i > have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, > admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, > teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus > Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am > not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment > without going into the other factors, details of all planetary > positions WHY?> > All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji > has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results > are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combination (Good = general > wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i > agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna> > So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their > language? in a given chart?> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill > > , "Chakraborty, PL" > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenivas-ji,> > > > Frankly, I don't know. But .. he appeared to be dead serious.> > > > He did not mention anything about career. He was bothered about> > the break in education in April 2007 and he is hoping for a better> > days ahead. If required, I will ask him.> > > > regards> > > > chakraborty> > > > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64@]> > Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM> > > > Re: Planets speak...> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborthy,> > > > It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by> > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word "harassed" may be > used> > in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial> > renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping> > things.> > > > With Regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Respected Neelam-ji, My personal observation. Jup+Ven in kendra or aspecting Lagna in Rasi chart gives great looks equal to that of Indra. Memebers with cases can validate/invalidate this. Regards, Souvik , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Chanduchill ji and group,* > > Adding to Jup+venus > > *If also indicated by 6H/virgo/mercury/LL mars, this combination in 11H > gives problems with liver, pancreas, kidney, or other abdominal glands. If > it has malefic aspect, native can have over indulgence with food and drinks > and get these problems. > > Regards > Neelam > * > * > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Chanduchill ji and group, Brihaspati ji himself could not keep his wife, for whatever reasons… she ran away with moon or moon abducted her… and what happened thereafter every one knows.What do you expect from humans. Jupiter-venus combination, though gives a very good spouse (both in looks and otherwise), but without a guarantee card. //So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their language? in a given chart?// This combination may work to some extent for elevated, detached souls. (I don't want to get into esoteric). For the rest of lesser mortals, it works as I said in my earlier mail, read it carefully and you'll get your answers. I repeat some here more clearly: Venus does not like wise men. (naturally dushman hai)Men cannot apply their wisdom when venus strikes (marak for kaalpurush!!) Does not let men die also. (has the sanjeevni vidya.. naa marne de naa jeene de!!)Venus thinks she's too smart for the ponga pundit. (Brihaspati kya hai!!)Men need a good moon to control venus. (nahin to wo moony ho jayegi tara ki tarah) Venus wins the fight if there is a clash (kalyug mein asuron ki vijay hogi)There is often a love-hate relationship (clash of titans)Only one condition to live happily (live in 12H jahan guru ke ghar mein shukracharya kavitayein kehte hain -- give her all the freedom with your money and bank balance)) Hope you'll be able to decode their language broadly. Do a +/- for other planetary influences. Regards Neelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Beautiful post, especially these lines. "Only one condition to live happily (live in 12H jahan guru ke ghar mein shukracharya kavitayein kehte hain -- give her all the freedom with your money and bank balance))" Many people are just aware of the Jupiters Sattvic pravitti, but not aware about the results when it gets afflicted. An afflicted Jupiter maymake the native drink a lot, eat a lot, gluttonious behaviour will persist in that person, and when combined with Venus, he will try to take advantage of the women too, in his contacts, to stiate his pleasure cravings. No wonder when he does so, he will have to also act on the above mentioned lines, to live a peacful Life, or else his wife, mistress or girlfriend will turn more vicious then him, in alll such matters , and then God save this native. So to such aneative an advice is given, enjoy your women, but also give her the best in Life. A afflicted Jupiter, can also be confirmed when you notice the lowest phalange among all the fingers, the Jupiters lowest phalange of the Index finger, would be the fattest and bulgy. For those who do not know, the phalanges are the three divisions when you turn the palm to face towards yourself as when you are watching the lines on your palm. regards/Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chanduchill ji and group,> > Brihaspati ji himself could not keep his wife, for whatever reasons… she ran> away with moon or moon abducted her… and what happened thereafter every one> knows.> What do you expect from humans. Jupiter-venus combination, though gives a> very good spouse (both in looks and otherwise), but without a guarantee> card.> > //So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their language? in> a given chart?//> > This combination may work to some extent for elevated, detached souls. (I> don't want to get into esoteric). For the rest of lesser mortals, it works> as I said in my earlier mail, read it carefully and you'll get your answers.> I repeat some here more clearly:> > - Venus does not like wise men. (naturally dushman hai)> - Men cannot apply their wisdom when venus strikes (marak for> kaalpurush!!)> - Does not let men die also. (has the sanjeevni vidya.. naa marne de naa> jeene de!!)> - Venus thinks she's too smart for the ponga pundit. (Brihaspati kya> hai!!)> - Men need a good moon to control venus. (nahin to wo moony ho jayegi> tara ki tarah)> - Venus wins the fight if there is a clash (kalyug mein asuron ki vijay> hogi)> - There is often a love-hate relationship (clash of titans)> - Only one condition to live happily (live in 12H jahan guru ke ghar mein> shukracharya kavitayein kehte hain -- give her all the freedom with your> money and bank balance))> > Hope you'll be able to decode their language broadly. Do a +/- for other> planetary influences.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear friends, I have also Jupiter and Venus combination in 6th, but Venus is combust and conjoined with Sun and Saturn. I have love and respect for woman. I have no extra marital relation with any women till today. The female student like me and I too help them. They share their domastic problems with me frankly and seek advice from me with out any hitch. My wife too has no problem with them and we have good relations. I am 67years old. With regards.--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Planets speak... Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 8:03 PM Dear Chandu 2 chill. Hello . You mentioned about 48+ men not knowing about women etc. Kya baat karte ho bhai. aise hi jawaan ho gaye kya hum ? Aur abhi bhi jawaani ke 4 dinon mein ek din baaki hai bhai. Jara raham karo. My dear, after 40 man bcomes naughty. before that they are children. Hamne toh apne jamaane mein hare bhare vraksha dekhe hain bhai. Tum toh abhi haddi dancha dekhte ho jyaadatar jinke paas kapde bhi kam hote hain pahanne ko. But I appreciate your experience at a young age. I know this much and agree to you you that a women or a girl can harass any boy above 18 years easily with her tactics and antics. A wife can harass a husband and the poor man may have no recourse to confide in, or repair his hurt. A teenager can lash out at a 50 year old man and put him on his knees. And a young beautiful lady can take out the spice and discipline of any man and make him servile like a rubber band, with her beautful bewitching smile. You also mentioned something that you are a Lover to women. Even after knowing all the above problems which a women can create for a man, I will confess that I too am a lover of women ( HaHa). I enjoyed your post very much for this once. Your views seem to be updated and fresh. And you are right. I have already started feeling the pain of replying to the idiots involved in live in relationships and get a real headache in trying to fix the period of their temporary loves. best wishes, Bhaskar. P. S. Dear Moderator. This post is just for humour. So please do not mind. ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty Ji,> > If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree > with Sreeram Ji's comments> > //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by> women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word "harassed" may be used> in lighter vein.//> > All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making > general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India > (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our > Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in > perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough > estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it > Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego > clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days.. So AGE does > not matter.> > Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly > thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased > women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the > agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! > > recent case: now NCW wants "Live-in-Relationsh ip" legalized. Another > Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-)> > What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to > scratch their heads more!!!:-):- ) because now onwards most queries > from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in-> relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton > causes for this live-in-relationshi ps? instead of How would be my > Marriage/Married life?:-):-)> > Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination > persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i > have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, > admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, > teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus > Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am > not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment > without going into the other factors, details of all planetary > positions WHY?> > All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji > has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results > are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combinat ion (Good = general > wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i > agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna> > So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their > language? in a given chart?> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chakraborty, PL" > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenivas-ji,> > > > Frankly, I don't know. But .. he appeared to be dead serious.> > > > He did not mention anything about career. He was bothered about> > the break in education in April 2007 and he is hoping for a better> > days ahead. If required, I will ask him.> > > > regards> > > > chakraborty> > > > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64@ ]> > Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM> > To: ancient_indian_ astrology> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Planets speak...> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborthy,> > > > It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by> > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word "harassed" may be > used> > in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial> > renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping> > things.> > > > With Regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Shri Kursijaji, My mail was meant only for Jupiter and Venus may be afflicted, due to house placement, or in detriment signs, or when in bad aspects through a malefic, and when placed in a malefic constellation. Either of these two planets when in mrut avastha or in bala avastha while the other afflicted planet in conjunct may override the powerless avastha and influence it through malefic power, can also be a possibility. The placement in a badhaksthana may also be a possibility. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Dear friends, > I have also Jupiter and Venus combination in 6th, but Venus is combust and conjoined with Sun and Saturn. I have love and respect for woman. I have no extra marital relation with any women till today. The female student like me and I too help them. They share their domastic problems with me frankly and seek advice from me with out any hitch. My wife too has no problem with them and we have good relations. I am 67years old. > With regards. > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Re: Planets speak... > > Friday, October 17, 2008, 8:03 PM > Dear Chandu 2 chill. > Hello . > You mentioned about 48+ men not knowing about women etc. Kya baat karte ho bhai. aise hi jawaan ho gaye kya hum ? Aur abhi bhi jawaani ke 4 dinon mein ek din baaki hai bhai. Jara raham karo. > My dear, after 40 man bcomes naughty. before that they are children. Hamne toh apne jamaane mein hare bhare vraksha dekhe hain bhai. Tum toh abhi haddi dancha dekhte ho jyaadatar jinke paas kapde bhi kam hote hain pahanne ko. But I appreciate your experience at a young age. > I know this much and agree to you you that a women or a girl can harass any boy above 18 years easily with her tactics and antics. A wife can harass a husband and the poor man may have no recourse to confide in, or repair his hurt. A teenager can lash out at a 50 year old man and put him on his knees. And a young beautiful lady can take out the spice and discipline of any man and make him servile like a rubber band, with her beautful bewitching smile. > You also mentioned something that you are a Lover to women. Even after knowing all the above problems which a women can create for a man, I will confess that I too am a lover of women ( HaHa). > I enjoyed your post very much for this once. Your views seem to be updated and fresh. And you are right. I have already started feeling the pain of replying to the idiots involved in live in relationships and get a real headache in trying to fix the period of their temporary loves. > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > P. S. Dear Moderator. This post is just for humour. So please do not mind. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Chakraborty Ji, > > > > If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree > > with Sreeram Ji's comments > > > > //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by > > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used > > in lighter vein.// > > > > All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making > > general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India > > (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our > > Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in > > perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough > > estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it > > Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego > > clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days.. So AGE does > > not matter. > > > > Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly > > thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased > > women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the > > agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! > > > > recent case: now NCW wants " Live-in-Relationsh ip " legalized. Another > > Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-) > > > > What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to > > scratch their heads more!!!:-):- ) because now onwards most queries > > from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in- > > relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton > > causes for this live-in-relationshi ps? instead of How would be my > > Marriage/Married life?:-):-) > > > > Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination > > persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i > > have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, > > admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, > > teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus > > Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am > > not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment > > without going into the other factors, details of all planetary > > positions WHY? > > > > All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji > > has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results > > are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combinat ion (Good = general > > wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i > > agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna > > > > So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their > > language? in a given chart? > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chakraborty, PL " > > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenivas-ji, > > > > > > Frankly, I don't know. But .. he appeared to be dead serious. > > > > > > He did not mention anything about career. He was bothered about > > > the break in education in April 2007 and he is hoping for a better > > > days ahead. If required, I will ask him. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > chakraborty > > > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64@ ] > > > Friday, October 17, 2008 9:41 AM > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Planets speak... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborthy, > > > > > > It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by > > > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be > > used > > > in lighter vein. Did he take up or join a job with a financial > > > renumeration ?? He seems to be a slow learner or slow at grasping > > > things. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear All,I thank everyone for sharing their wisdom on Guru-Shukra conjunction. Such discussions do help in understanding the planets, and hence, better predictive ability. Both are Gurus, both are great benefics and great bestowers. I am sure the discussions would have clarified a lot of doubts. What we are discussing is the basic nature of these planets and the combination. How exactly it'll manifest in a chart and what kind of results will prevail will depend a lot also on the lagna, moon and sun and the other planetary influences. I do not know how and when Venus came to represent dainyas, as I do not find anything rakshas-like in venus. Adverse influences and afflictions can make a guru also dainya. It seems in Rig Veda, original deity Shukracharya is divine and represents Indra, Agni and Varuna, etc. In Taittirya Brahmana, Asu is breadth of Prajapati and when it became alive, asuras were created. So it remains a part of divine manifestation. They are two gurus with different ideologies. Different ideologies, but leading to the same path and so they unite blissfully in pisces. In today's life, Venus can be a lover of beauty, women, finer sensibilities, luxuries, easy life, etc. But venus is also knowing of self through breath, through meditation. It is important to have a strong and energetic venus to get into a process of knowing self. How the process starts and who is instrumental in this awakening, will depend on the placement of venus and Jupiter wrt lagna. The poetry, the creative impulses, paintings, come under the domain of venus as it gives new insight and a different perception to the life process. An exchange provides a better platform for working of the two gurus, specially the tau-pisces and sagi-libra exchange (why?). If anyone has seen the working of an exchange of Jupiter and venus in fiery and airy signs connected with lagna, will understand what I mean. A flash of divine manifestation, a vision concretised and put down for the mortal world is the work of a poet or a painter. This is also the beauty of Jup and venus working together. There is another very important result of this combination, if not afflicted. The life of a person changes through venus, the inner realisation. It could be through a work of art which illuminates the sensitivity, it could be a poetry that strikes the inner chord, or it could be woman, wife or partner or friend. But somewhere venus becomes instrumental for inner change. I am reminded of a very beautiful and potent ven-jup combination of Abraham Lincoln. I think he had venus-jup combination in Pisces. Some of the manifestations of this combination in his life are: Abraham Lincoln's religious views were unorthodox. His law partner reported that Lincoln wrote a tract arguing against church doctrines as he heard them, and a friend threw it into a fire to save Lincoln's reputation. Lincoln's objections were in alignment with the deeper teachings of yoga. Ever since he was a boy, Lincoln used to spontaneously meditate. His wife once hit him with a piece of wood after he had gone so deep within, he didn't hear her speaking! He had control over his breath. As a young man Lincoln was lifting and carrying a 600-pound chicken coop, tossing a heckler a dozen feet, etc. He had tapped into pranayama, and energy control.He was Yogi like in other ways also, perfecting the practice of self-study or introspection, he could receive divine signals. It is probably this position and this made him for see his own death in a dream or vision.Abraham Lincoln was curious about psychics and mediums, starting with a visit to a fortune teller in New Orleans, and continuing through his years as president, when after the death of Lincoln's son Willie, his wife brought mediums to the White House. We can have more illustrative examples of this combination showing how its has performed in real life. I think Sardar Patel also had this combination in 10H with sun and mercury, which made him a great statesman. Regards Neelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Dushyant Trivedi ji,Thanks for the chart. This is a very strong combination in 11H. As I wrote in one of my mails, that Jup-ven can cause diseases of liver, kidney etc., the same planets when strong and connected with 6/11/12 houses will produce doctors to cure these diseases. Here venus, jup, aspect of rahu represent urologist and dasha of venus from 1995 gave venus a hand to shape the destiny. Venus is strong 6L/11L in 11th which is its own sign libra with lagna lord jupiter. Strong sun in own house with mars and ketu in leo in 9H is again good placement for being a doctor. 10L mer is strong in own house. From moon also, Jup-ven conjunction is strong in 12H of hospitals, aspecting saturn in 6H. What about his general disposition? What is the impact of a neecha saturn from 5H and a neecha moon in 12H?RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Sri Bhaskar Ji, Good to see your reply!! Sir Aap jobi likah hai, bilkul sahi kaha hai:-) I mentioned specifically 48+ age males read as Fathers don't know or perhaps not much aware of his Son or Daughter's Extra Carricular Activities! We did a small study and research on that.. STRIKINGLY MOTHER knew what exactly her Son or Daughter is doing apart from young age career achievements, and financial independant.. In a nutshell, if any house/family has a Good Mother, i am sure these kind of issues will never crop-up i believe I shall write sometime later about my this little research/findings Regards Chandu2Chill , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: Dear Chandu 2 chill. Hello . You mentioned about 48+ men not knowing about women etc. Kya baat karte ho bhai. aise hi jawaan ho gaye kya hum ? Aur abhi bhi jawaani ke 4 dinon mein ek din baaki hai bhai. Jara raham karo. My dear, after 40 man bcomes naughty. before that they are children. Hamne toh apne jamaane mein hare bhare vraksha dekhe hain bhai. Tum toh abhi haddi dancha dekhte ho jyaadatar jinke paas kapde bhi kam hote hain pahanne ko. But I appreciate your experience at a young age. I know this much and agree to you you that a women or a girl can harass any boy above 18 years easily with her tactics and antics. A wife can harass a husband and the poor man may have no recourse to confide in, or repair his hurt. A teenager can lash out at a 50 year old man and put him on his knees. And a young beautiful lady can take out the spice and discipline of any man and make him servile like a rubber band, with her beautful bewitching smile. You also mentioned something that you are a Lover to women. Even after knowing all the above problems which a women can create for a man, I will confess that I too am a lover of women ( HaHa). I enjoyed your post very much for this once. Your views seem to be updated and fresh. And you are right. I have already started feeling the pain of replying to the idiots involved in live in relationships and get a real headache in trying to fix the period of their temporary loves. best wishes, Bhaskar. P. S. Dear Moderator. This post is just for humour. So please do not mind. , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006@> wrote: Dear Chakraborty Ji, If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree with Sreeram Ji's comments //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used in lighter vein.// All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days..So AGE does not matter. Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! recent case: now NCW wants " Live-in-Relationship " legalized. Another Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-) What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to scratch their heads more!!!:-):-) because now onwards most queries from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in- relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton causes for this live-in-relationships? instead of How would be my Marriage/Married life?:-):-) Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment without going into the other factors, details of all planetary positions WHY? All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combination (Good = general wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their language? in a given chart? Regards Chandu2Chill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Chandu 2 chill, What you write is perfectly true. Mostly the mothers know better about their son and daughters. But it also depends on many factors, like strata of society one does research on. In My case, due to having lived a very much dominated Life and overprotected in childhood and teens, and also in youth, from elders of my family, i decided not to let my own children suffer so. Today my son will tell us at home if he has gone to a party and what brand whisky he had and how many drinks, same with my daughter we knew about who her freinds were and the question of physical proximities tolerable were discussed very freely between us. You may not believe, but before marriage I had already sat with my son in law with their charts, to dicuss and decide the proper time when they must have a child. I enjoyed being free with my children, because they could bloom very well , and were never hesitatnt in offering any critical remarks to any of my behaviours, temperament or speech which was not proper. Thats how I became better too in Life. I believe that the present generation of parents is inculcating right behaviour of patterns in their Life, with regards to relations with their children. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear Sri Bhaskar Ji, > > Good to see your reply!! Sir Aap jobi likah hai, bilkul sahi kaha > hai:-) > > I mentioned specifically 48+ age males read as Fathers don't know or > perhaps not much aware of his Son or Daughter's Extra Carricular > Activities! We did a small study and research on that.. STRIKINGLY > MOTHER knew what exactly her Son or Daughter is doing apart from > young age career achievements, and financial independant.. > > In a nutshell, if any house/family has a Good Mother, i am sure these > kind of issues will never crop-up i believe > > I shall write sometime later about my this little research/findings > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > , " Bhaskar " > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > Dear Chandu 2 chill. > > Hello . > > You mentioned about 48+ men not knowing about women etc. Kya baat > karte ho bhai. aise hi jawaan ho gaye kya hum ? Aur abhi bhi jawaani > ke 4 dinon mein ek din baaki hai bhai. Jara raham karo. > > My dear, after 40 man bcomes naughty. before that they are children. > Hamne toh apne jamaane mein hare bhare vraksha dekhe hain bhai. Tum > toh abhi haddi dancha dekhte ho jyaadatar jinke paas kapde bhi kam > hote hain pahanne ko. But I appreciate your experience at a young age. > > I know this much and agree to you you that a women or a girl can > harass any boy above 18 years easily with her tactics and antics. A > wife can harass a husband and the poor man may have no recourse to > confide in, or repair his hurt. A teenager can lash out at a 50 year > old man and put him on his knees. And a young beautiful lady can > take out the spice and discipline of any man and make him servile > like a rubber band, with her beautful bewitching smile. > > You also mentioned something that you are a Lover to women. Even > after knowing all the above problems which a women can create for a > man, I will confess that I too am a lover of women ( HaHa). > > I enjoyed your post very much for this once. Your views seem to be > updated and fresh. And you are right. I have already started feeling > the pain of replying to the idiots involved in live in relationships > and get a real headache in trying to fix the period of their temporary > loves. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > P. S. Dear Moderator. This post is just for humour. So please > do not mind. > > , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > Dear Chakraborty Ji, > > > If i share my practical observations and happenings, I don't agree > with Sreeram Ji's comments > > //It is difficult to say that a 20 yrs old boy is being harrassed by > women!! It may be his imagination i.e. the word " harassed " may be used > in lighter vein.// > > All these 48+ Age (i donno about Sreeram ji's age, i am making > general and my own observations) people here or elsewhere in India > (male especially) don't know exactly what's happening and how our > Modern Women are behaving with Men in general and colleagues in > perticular in most of the cases, in our Metro Cities 60% (rough > estimation) of so called young modern women *harrass* MEN be it > Sexual harrassment, sexual related disagreements, Money, and/or Ego > clashes/conflicts among peers, relatioships now-a-days..So AGE does > not matter. > > Thanks to our Call Center Culture, easy Money and MOST importantly > thanks to our NCW (National Commission of Women) thier GENDER biased > women favoring single sided laws which are adding fuel to the > agressivness of so called Modern Women!!! > > recent case: now NCW wants " Live-in-Relationship " legalized. Another > Weapon of Family Distruction in our modren Women's hand:-) > > What i was worried while writing this was- Our Astrologers needs to > scratch their heads more!!!:-):-) because now onwards most queries > from the Astro solution seekers will be like-- How many Live-in- > relationship will i have? which one will last? what combinaiton > causes for this live-in-relationships? instead of How would be my > Marriage/Married life?:-):-) > > Now coming to Astrology, i have seen practically Jup+Ven Combination > persons i have few charts and the natives are my good friends. even i > have Jup+Venus combo. All these people including me are lovers, > admirers and respct giving persons to Women in general be it Sisters, > teachers, Wife not wieves:-) and Mother.YET these Jup+Venus > Combination people are harrassed by WOMEN!! in one way or other. i am > not talking about quantum of harrassment or type of harrassment > without going into the other factors, details of all planetary > positions WHY? > > All our classics and basics of Astrology says and As Dr. Neelam Ji > has put it in her reply to my query, at least 70% good things/results > are indicated for this (Jup+Venus)combination (Good = general > wellness, lucky, good spouse, material or even spiritual gains i > agree) as they are natural benefics be it any lagna > > So how these TWO planets are speaking? how do we decode their > language? in a given chart? > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Chakraborty Ji, Thanks for the link. It's sort of Refresing for me!! because i read the same article on same website long before i would say when i first started *googling* for Astro info for my married life issue.. really beautiful interpretation and presentation. This is what i like most Western Astrologer's write-ups... Honestly...whatever is written about Venus conjucts Jupiter in the article is 90% true to my heart and approach in my practical life i am not boasting myself, without knowing all this i was/is following all my life especially with relationship/love/spouse.. some of my favorite lines from the article which i personally relate to myself are: //Whether these natives are shy or outgoing, law-abiding or reckless, quiet or loud...they possess a very grand idea of love, and they have an indulgent side to them that is unmistakable, and possibly hard to control.// //One of their weak spots is their love of pleasure. Some have a definite lazy streak. They are very affectionate people who are generous with their emotions and, usually, their pocketbook too. When they care about you, they are quite loyal and faithful. Their opinions about love and friendship are strong--they generally have lofty ideals in these areas. Their hearts are open and they have a tendency to want to give a lot to the people they love.// //The pursuit of wisdom parallels the pursuit of love in your life. Any conflict in love relationships causes you to consider your spiritual values all over again.// And the last one is 100% true. That's why i am questioning Gurus!!!:-) seriously Regards Chandu2Chill , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear friends, This what the western astrology tells about Ju-Ven conjunction. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusjupiteraspects.html <http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusjupiteraspects.html> The traits described by Vreality-ji matches with the description provided there. 'Hope you enjoy the above Regards chakraborty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear all, The Westerners are the Masters in character analysis, English decsriptions, and the content. We can never beat them to that. They are experts in telling us the results about character, what will one behave , when one planet is placed in so n so house. But beyoind this, there is no research done uptil now to better Alan Leo, Lily or the other dozens. But we must not carried away. For them every square aspect is evil, and every trine aspect is good. But not so for us. We have been given better equipment by our Rishi Munis to decpiher the codes. We must see the planet squaring the other planet. Are they benefics, and friends ? Are they benefic to the ascendant Lord? Or the native ? One must check their Panch-taitkalik maitry inorder to judge whether the square aspect or the conjunction, or the Trine aspect, or the opposition is good or bad. Bhaskar. , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > > Dear Chakraborty Ji, > > Thanks for the link. It's sort of Refresing for me!! because i read > the same article on same website long before i would say when i first > started *googling* for Astro info for my married life issue.. really > beautiful interpretation and presentation. This is what i like most > Western Astrologer's write-ups... > > Honestly...whatever is written about Venus conjucts Jupiter in the > article is 90% true to my heart and approach in my practical life i > am not boasting myself, without knowing all this i was/is following > all my life especially with relationship/love/spouse.. > > some of my favorite lines from the article which i personally relate > to myself are: > > //Whether these natives are shy or outgoing, law-abiding or reckless, > quiet or loud...they possess a very grand idea of love, and they have > an indulgent side to them that is unmistakable, and possibly hard to > control.// > > //One of their weak spots is their love of pleasure. Some have a > definite lazy streak. They are very affectionate people who are > generous with their emotions and, usually, their pocketbook too. When > they care about you, they are quite loyal and faithful. Their > opinions about love and friendship are strong--they generally have > lofty ideals in these areas. Their hearts are open and they have a > tendency to want to give a lot to the people they love.// > > //The pursuit of wisdom parallels the pursuit of love in your life. > Any conflict in love relationships causes you to consider your > spiritual values all over again.// > > And the last one is 100% true. That's why i am questioning Gurus!!!:-) > seriously > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > > , " Chakraborty, PL " > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > Dear friends, > > This what the western astrology tells about Ju-Ven conjunction. > > http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusjupiteraspects.html > <http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusjupiteraspects.html> > > The traits described by Vreality-ji matches with the description > provided there. > > 'Hope you enjoy the above > > Regards > > > chakraborty > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Friend, Jupiter +Venus in 11H for Aries Lagna may give results as under; 1. 11H is badhaka place , Venus is functional malefic and marka planet . Aquarius is friendly sign for Venus. 2. Jupiter is a trine lord will make Venus to give auspicious results. 3. Jupiter will not able to confer full auspicious results. 4. 7H represent sex partner ,12H represent bed pleasure. 11H represent friends and associates at work place. And if such native will indulge in self-abuse and debauchery , may loose both money and may lead him to impotency.3H PROVIDE VIPREET ARGALA TO 11H ,AND IF PLANETS ARE PLACED IN 3H , SUCH TENDENCIES WILL BE CURBED. Regards, G.K.GOEL Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006 Sent: Friday, 17 October, 2008 4:57:17 PM Re: Planets speak... Respected Neelm Ji,Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!!//One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by theplacement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging. //I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i just have to keep on learning.Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malificcoming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could you please throw some light on practical indications of this conjunction? Thank you once again for your educative post..RegardsChandu2Chillancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:Dear Chanduchill ji,Let us see what Jup+Venus may give?The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali)But the way we could judge the combination is thus:Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native.Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In conjunction they become inimical.Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12LVenus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperityWe get 4 combinations:2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras,traditional and good speech,etc2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong byplacement of planets, as both are neutral houses7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both MTsigns, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and perception, etc.7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner wisdom and become indifferent to husband.The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter in the chart and other placements.//What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e.11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect//For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn.This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, goodfortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple relationships/ marriage, etc.As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna.Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature.11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which native should overcome.The challenges could be:Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhakhouse, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak andJupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like philanthropy later in life not liked by children.Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L.One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by theplacement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging.Hope it would help.RegardsNeelamSend free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Neelamji, Neech Moon in the 12th house probably is responsible for him settling in Hyderabad inspite of his father's wish to settle in Mumbai. His father is also a well known surgeon and runs one of the most reputed hospital in mumbai. However the relationship is excellent. The Saturn which is Neech in the 5th house has got Neech Bhang yoga. This probably resulted in delay in his becoming father. However he has one son and one daughter. He is really blessed as I had stated earlier. Hope this information throws some light on the planetary positions in his chart. D D Trivedi--- On Sat, 10/18/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Planets speak... Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 6:45 PM Dear Dushyant Trivedi ji,Thanks for the chart. This is a very strong combination in 11H. As I wrote in one of my mails, that Jup-ven can cause diseases of liver, kidney etc., the same planets when strong and connected with 6/11/12 houses will produce doctors to cure these diseases. Here venus, jup, aspect of rahu represent urologist and dasha of venus from 1995 gave venus a hand to shape the destiny. Venus is strong 6L/11L in 11th which is its own sign libra with lagna lord jupiter. Strong sun in own house with mars and ketu in leo in 9H is again good placement for being a doctor. 10L mer is strong in own house. From moon also, Jup-ven conjunction is strong in 12H of hospitals, aspecting saturn in 6H. What about his general disposition? What is the impact of a neecha saturn from 5H and a neecha moon in 12H?RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Lal Kitab perspective : Sirs, Jupiter + Venus in the 11th house Asar guru ka pahale ginate, peechhe shukra ka hota ho Bhala shukra ho ishqa mein umda, rizak manda nahi karta jo, Kamdevi jab keeda banta, asar do no ka manda ho. Sona guru jo dooja banata, mitti zard ab hota ho In this combination both these planets will give a combined effect till the age of 33 years. The combined effect will be that of masnuyee [ artificial ] Saturn of ketu swabhav i.e. Saturn benefic in other words achcha madadgar [ a good helper ]. This will always protect the native from dukha and beemari. After that both will give their independent effects in the house they are placed. In the results the effect of Jupiter will precede that of the Venus. The effect of the Venus will be 3.75 times more than that of the Jupiter. Even if the effect of the Jupiter might be of medium quality, the effect of the Venus will be good. He will always get help from the ladies or the ladies would come forward to help him always. If the Jupiter is weak or turned malefic by the actions of the native then the kismet will turn to yellow mud in place of gold. This may not affect his earnings though. If the native turns his venus malefic by too much of lust , or by seeking ishqa all around then the native will suffer from sexual weakness, specially if the 3rd house is unoccupied [ shri GKGoel ji has already talked about them]. This weakness can lead to the problems in begetting a child or might even be childless. Sincerely, S P Khurana , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Friend,> Jupiter +Venus in 11H for Aries Lagna may give results > as under;> 1. 11H is badhaka place , Venus is functional malefic > and marka planet . Aquarius is friendly sign for Venus.> 2. Jupiter is a trine lord will make Venus to give auspicious > results.> 3. Jupiter will not able to confer full auspicious results.> 4. 7H represent sex partner ,12H represent bed pleasure.> 11H represent friends and associates at work place.> And if such native will indulge in self-abuse and debauchery ,> may loose both money and may lead him to impotency.3H > PROVIDE VIPREET ARGALA TO 11H ,AND IF PLANETS> ARE PLACED IN 3H , SUCH TENDENCIES WILL BE CURBED.> Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > > Chandu2chill nanna_id2006 > Friday, 17 October, 2008 4:57:17 PM> Re: Planets speak...> > > Respected Neelm Ji,> > Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is > very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!!> > //One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > challenging. //> > I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i > just have to keep on learning.> > Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna > combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't > say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets > etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malific> > coming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas > Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are > in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and > Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could > you please throw some light on practical indications of this > conjunction? > > Thank you once again for your educative post..> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > Dear Chanduchill ji,> > Let us see what Jup+Venus may give?> > The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a > virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of > learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at > birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly > virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) > and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali)> > But the way we could judge the combination is thus:> > Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native.> Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In > conjunction they become inimical.> > Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12L> Venus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperity> > We get 4 combinations:> 2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras,> traditional and good speech,etc> > 2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong by> placement of planets, as both are neutral houses> 7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both > MT> signs, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and > perception, etc.> 7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away > from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner > wisdom and become indifferent to husband.> > The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter > in the chart and other placements.> > //What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e.> 11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say > it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect//> > For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn.> This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, good> fortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple > relationships/ marriage, etc.> > As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna.> Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature.> 11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, > like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which > native should overcome.The challenges could be:> > Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhak> house, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak and> Jupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are > aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like > philanthropy later in life not liked by children.> > Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L.> > One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > challenging.> > Hope it would help.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Dear Su, It was a good example. Can u please tell how was her Venus dasa? This will help me understand effect of functional malefic dasa which is in Nakshatra of Ketu. Regards, sanjeev , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > > Neelamji below is chart of female native with Sag lagna, Ju/ve conj > in 9hse with Ju asp both lag and moon. Generous and forgiving to the > extreme. > > Natal Chart > > October 10, 1967 > Time: 12:20:00 pm > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plavanga - Aswayuja > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (81.77% left) > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > Nakshatra: Poorvashadha (Ve) (57.58% left) > > rgds, Su > > , " neelam gupta " > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I thank everyone for sharing their wisdom on Guru-Shukra > conjunction. Such > > discussions do help in understanding the planets, and hence, better > > predictive ability. Both are Gurus, both are great benefics and > great > > bestowers. I am sure the discussions would have clarified a lot of > doubts. > > > > What we are discussing is the basic nature of these planets and the > > combination. How exactly it'll manifest in a chart and what kind of > results > > will prevail will depend a lot also on the lagna, moon and sun and > the other > > planetary influences. > > > > I do not know how and when Venus came to represent dainyas, as I do > not find > > anything rakshas-like in venus. Adverse influences and afflictions > can make > > a guru also dainya. It seems in Rig Veda, original deity > Shukracharya is > > divine and represents Indra, Agni and Varuna, etc. In Taittirya > Brahmana, > > Asu is breadth of Prajapati and when it became alive, asuras were > created. > > So it remains a part of divine manifestation. > > > > They are two gurus with different ideologies. Different ideologies, > but > > leading to the same path and so they unite blissfully in pisces. > > > > In today's life, Venus can be a lover of beauty, women, finer > sensibilities, > > luxuries, easy life, etc. But venus is also knowing of self through > breath, > > through meditation. It is important to have a strong and energetic > venus to > > get into a process of knowing self. How the process starts and who > is > > instrumental in this awakening, will depend on the placement of > venus and > > Jupiter wrt lagna. The poetry, the creative impulses, paintings, > come under > > the domain of venus as it gives new insight and a different > perception to > > the life process. > > > > An exchange provides a better platform for working of the two gurus, > > specially the tau-pisces and sagi-libra exchange (why?). If anyone > has seen > > the working of an exchange of Jupiter and venus in fiery and airy > signs > > connected with lagna, will understand what I mean. A flash of divine > > manifestation, a vision concretised and put down for the mortal > world is the > > work of a poet or a painter. This is also the beauty of Jup and > venus > > working together. > > > > There is another very important result of this combination, if not > > afflicted. The life of a person changes through venus, the inner > > realisation. It could be through a work of art which illuminates the > > sensitivity, it could be a poetry that strikes the inner chord, or > it could > > be woman, wife or partner or friend. But somewhere venus becomes > > instrumental for inner change. > > > > I am reminded of a very beautiful and potent ven-jup combination of > Abraham > > Lincoln. I think he had venus-jup combination in Pisces. Some of the > > manifestations of this combination in his life are: > > > > - Abraham Lincoln's religious views were unorthodox. His law > partner > > reported that Lincoln wrote a tract arguing against church > doctrines as > > he heard them, and a friend threw it into a fire to save > Lincoln's > > reputation. Lincoln's objections were in alignment with the > deeper > > teachings of yoga. > > - Ever since he was a boy, Lincoln used to spontaneously > meditate. His > > wife once hit him with a piece of wood after he had gone so deep > within, he > > didn't hear her speaking! > > - He had control over his breath. As a young man Lincoln was > lifting and > > carrying a 600-pound chicken coop, tossing a heckler a dozen > feet, etc. He > > had tapped into pranayama, and energy control. > > - He was Yogi like in other ways also, perfecting the practice of > > self-study or introspection, he could receive divine signals. It > is probably > > this position and this made him for see his own death in a dream > or vision. > > - Abraham Lincoln was curious about psychics and mediums, > starting with a > > visit to a fortune teller in New Orleans, and continuing through > his > > years as president, when after the death of Lincoln's son > Willie, his > > wife brought mediums to the White House. > > > > We can have more illustrative examples of this combination showing > how its > > has performed in real life. I think Sardar Patel also had this > combination > > in 10H with sun and mercury, which made him a great statesman. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dushyant Trivedi ji, > > Thanks for the chart. This is a very strong combination in 11H. As I wrote > in one of my mails, that Jup-ven can cause diseases of liver, kidney etc., > the same planets when strong and connected with 6/11/12 houses will produce > doctors to cure these diseases. Here venus, jup, aspect of rahu represent > urologist and dasha of venus from 1995 gave venus a hand to shape the > destiny. Venus is strong 6L/11L in 11th which is its own sign libra with > lagna lord jupiter. Strong sun in own house with mars and ketu in leo in 9H > is again good placement for being a doctor. 10L mer is strong in own house. > From moon also, Jup-ven conjunction is strong in 12H of hospitals, aspecting > saturn in 6H. > > What about his general disposition? What is the impact of a neecha saturn > from 5H and a neecha moon in 12H? > > Regards > Neelam > Neelmji, What you think about Jup-Venus combination in 11th house along with 6/11/12 houses and aspect of Rahu (in 5th house).Venus is strong because in Nakshatra of Dhanisth(Mars),which is lord of 2nd and 9th house and exalted in 11th house.Venus is 9th and 4th from his house again a point for strong position in the chart.But natal is not a doctor and not having any business with Liver,Naphthrology.So as per my view you have to look other planets position.For your reference the said above Natal's details as below:-- DOB : 7.2.1962 BOT : 10:15 am BOP : Jodhpur (Rajasthan) As per my view you have to look about Two Neech planets,Moon as Neech represent for surgical Doctor and any Neech planet connected with 5th house is also refer for Surgical Doctor. Please let me know your view on my this post. Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 Dear Friend, Jupiter +Venus in 11H for Aries Lagna may give results as under; 1. 11H is badhaka place , Venus is functional malefic and marka planet . Aquarius is friendly sign for Venus. 2. Jupiter is a trine lord will make Venus to give auspicious results. 3. Jupiter will not able to confer full auspicious results. 4. 7H represent sex partner ,12H represent bed pleasure. 11H represent friends and associates at work place. And if such native will indulge in self-abuse and debauchery , may loose both money and may lead him to impotency.3H PROVIDE VIPREET ARGALA TO 11H ,AND IF PLANETS ARE PLACED IN 3H , SUCH TENDENCIES WILL BE CURBED. Regards, G.K.GOEL Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006 Sent: Friday, 17 October, 2008 4:57:17 PM Re: Planets speak... Respected Neelm Ji,Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!!//One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by theplacement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging. //I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i just have to keep on learning.Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malificcoming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could you please throw some light on practical indications of this conjunction? Thank you once again for your educative post..RegardsChandu2Chillancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:Dear Chanduchill ji,Let us see what Jup+Venus may give?The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali)But the way we could judge the combination is thus:Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native.Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In conjunction they become inimical.Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12LVenus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperityWe get 4 combinations:2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras,traditional and good speech,etc2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong byplacement of planets, as both are neutral houses7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both MTsigns, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and perception, etc.7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner wisdom and become indifferent to husband.The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter in the chart and other placements.//What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e.11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect//For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn.This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, goodfortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple relationships/ marriage, etc.As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna.Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature.11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which native should overcome.The challenges could be:Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhakhouse, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak andJupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like philanthropy later in life not liked by children.Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L.One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by theplacement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is challenging.Hope it would help.RegardsNeelamSend free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.phpSend free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 Dear Bohra ji, There is vast difference between the two charts. In the chart of the Urologist, given by Dushyant Trivedi ji, venus was also the 6/11 lord and was fully activated in dasha. So it gave the relation with diseases. Jupiter was the LL with this venus and so venus connected with self. Other planets were not influencing this combination in 11H but offering support. As I said earlier, Sun+mars+ketu in Leo in 9H from lagna and 10H (profession) from moon is mainly responsible for producing the doctor. Strong sun (in venus star) in own house, and mars (in ketu's naksh) in 9H (bhagya, higher learning and father) were largely responsible in boosting the possibilities as they are also in 11H from dashanath venus. Mars+sun+ketu in Leo is the perfect combination for surgeons. An afflicted Moon is responsible also for making a doctor, and here it is debilitated in 12H of hospitalisation, aspected by rasheesh mars from 9H. Mars is also the 5L of education and training. Moon is vargottam and 12H rises in lagna showing the importance of hospitals in life. Jup and venus conjunction is in 12H from moon. But this is secondary and add on to the above point. We were not looking at profession primarily, otherwise we would start with establishing that the native is a doctor, from 10H from moon (as it is stronger), and then linking the specialisation from 6/11/12 houses. I do not think a debilitated Saturn is responsible for being a doctor. In fact, it would bring in laziness in action, delay in children, etc. A deb 3L of efforts in 5H would hamper its results and could've delayed things for him. He might've cleared the entrance in 2nd attempt. Might be having other issues with family or family wealth, etc, as Saturn is 2L in 5H house. The example that you have mentioned has clustered planets in 11H which is a typical 1962 position and has to be read carefully and planetary indications studies through varga charts and dasha schemes. I hope I am clear.RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > There is vast difference between the two charts. > > In the chart of the Urologist, given by Dushyant Trivedi ji, venus was also > the 6/11 lord and was fully activated in dasha. So it gave the relation with > diseases. Jupiter was the LL with this venus and so venus connected with > self. Other planets were not influencing this combination in 11H but > offering support. > > As I said earlier, Sun+mars+ketu in Leo in 9H from lagna and 10H > (profession) from moon is mainly responsible for producing the doctor. > Strong sun (in venus star) in own house, and mars (in ketu's naksh) in 9H > (bhagya, higher learning and father) were largely responsible in boosting > the possibilities as they are also in 11H from dashanath venus. > Mars+sun+ketu in Leo is the perfect combination for surgeons. > An afflicted Moon is responsible also for making a doctor, and here it is > debilitated in 12H of hospitalisation, aspected by rasheesh mars from 9H. > Mars is also the 5L of education and training. Moon is vargottam and 12H > rises in lagna showing the importance of hospitals in life. Jup and venus > conjunction is in 12H from moon. But this is secondary and add on to the > above point. > > We were not looking at profession primarily, otherwise we would start with > establishing that the native is a doctor, from 10H from moon (as it is > stronger), and then linking the specialisation from 6/11/12 houses. > > I do not think a debilitated Saturn is responsible for being a doctor. In > fact, it would bring in laziness in action, delay in children, etc. A deb 3L > of efforts in 5H would hamper its results and could've delayed things for > him. He might've cleared the entrance in 2nd attempt. Might be having other > issues with family or family wealth, etc, as Saturn is 2L in 5H house. > > The example that you have mentioned has clustered planets in 11H which is a > typical 1962 position and has to be read carefully and planetary indications > studies through varga charts and dasha schemes. > > I hope I am clear. > > Regards > Neelam > Neelamji, you have mention that Sun+Mars+Ketu are occupy 10th house from Moon,which is strong point to become a Doctor,but these all of three planets are Agnikark and Leo is also Agnikark than natal should have a Karma for Agni or related to fire. Saturn is 3rd from 3rd house so nullify the effect of third house lord in fifth.secondly Saturn occupy Mars house which(Mars)occupy 9th house(Trikon lord in other Trikon).Saturn relation with Mars reflected for surgery.Againe Saturn also represent Iron equipment or surgery equipments. As per Moon lagna 2nd,5th house lord in 12th,it means 2nd & 5th house which represent education,have not use or can't use his education.Jupiter also Kark for money and as2nd,5th lord again for money,in 12th.That means Natal will be facing shortage of money.But now we know he is Doctor and rich enough.Than how you can judge by Moon Lagna this chart? From janam Lagna 7th house is effected by Saturn and Rahu which makes delay for marriage,From Moon lagna7th lord in12th and 5th house in Papkritnee Yoga between Rahu and Saturn.Again 5th lord in12th.As per my view these are some position to delay for marriage and child. But from janm Lagna 5th house is looking by Jupiter and Venus which give him wife and child. If my point of view are wrong than please correct me. Thanks, M.S.Bohra PS.you are right there are so many differences between my produced chart and this chart,but which combination you have mention these combination are similar so that I have written you about the chart.I am impress by you analysis,Tnax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
