Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

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Dear Mr. Jyotishi 2001,

 

I do not know your name, request you to kindly mention your name i.e.

sign your mail with your original name...it gives value to your message.

 

Sayana or Nirayana rasi's ...basic attributes remain same....no

difference......differences araises in the mathematical

calculations......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " jyotishi2001 "

<jyotishi2001 wrote:

 

Dear Madam,

It is so confusing! Beping Behari is talking of Sayana Rashis and

this groups insists on nirayanas!

Regards,

Jyotishi2001

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Dear Mr. Jyotishi,Sreeramji is right. We are only talking about the descriptions and nature of rashis. Here the point is not of their beginning and end.But how do you say that Bepin Behari's works are on Sayana Longitudes. He has used all the Vedic astrology principles in his works. Please give reference to what you've said.

RegardsNeelam2008/7/20 sreeram srinivas <sreeram64:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Jyotishi 2001,

 

I do not know your name, request you to kindly mention your name i.e.

sign your mail with your original name...it gives value to your message.

 

Sayana or Nirayana rasi's ...basic attributes remain same....no

difference......differences araises in the mathematical

calculations......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, " jyotishi2001 "

<jyotishi2001 wrote:

 

Dear Madam,

It is so confusing! Beping Behari is talking of Sayana Rashis and

this groups insists on nirayanas!

Regards,

Jyotishi2001

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Dear Bhattacharya ji,

Please note that the Kali Yuga and era Aryabhata mentions is part

of Sushama-Dushama Yuga divisions (as evident from Aryabhatiya), and

also that this Sushama-Dushama Yuga system was used by and popular in

Jain tradition only. The Yuga system Aryabhata is mentioning is NOT

part of the popular brahmanical Yuga system.

Note: Please go though the research done by chandrahari, and the

discussion of the same happend in this groupv (available in the

archieves).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Nairji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji?

of 15th century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central

India also because to my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions

Asmaka as one of the sixteen Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably

either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh (ie.in the ancient Vakataka

kingdom) or around the border area of? present-day Andhrapradesh and

Karnataka.

>

> I am more concerned? about the date of Aryabhatta. To me

Shastyabdanam Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X

60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23 years old in the 1800 years of the Kali

era.? Therefore his date should be 3102 - 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and

not what the present-day scholars say.

>

> I think Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is

nearest to the equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini)

it could have been chosen arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably

because at one time there many stalwarts in astronomy. To my

knowledge the? original Aryasiddhanta considered the midnight start

of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich. This

may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero

longitude, in the modern times. However I am open to correction.

>

> Regards,

>

> sunil Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

> Re: Zodiac signs - Why named

so ?

>

> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:24 AM

>

> ?

> Hare rama krishna

> dear sunil bhattacharya ji

> ?

> ? we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the

facts and vice versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and

mythology too .

> But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a

place to start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u

r frm culcutta or bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation

unless there is some specific reason ,

> Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa? ( zero

degree ) for calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical

calculation ( other wise what was the need for it ) ?,where as in

modern?parlance ?u can find GMT ( greenwitch mean time ) ,so this GMT

new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or some shift in

world history happened .

> ?

> can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as

Niraksha desa and why it so ??

> Now what is the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones

asmari in urine bladder stone disease in ayurveda ) ??? why it so

called ,or is it kodumkallur ( a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now

known as kondungallur and u can search it ) It was HQ of kerala kings

calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city which has

reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is

musiris )

> ?

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nairji,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue.

I depended on a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was

from Asmaka. Yes I know Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.

> >

> > Regads,

> >

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named

so ?

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM

> > ?

> > Hare rama krishna

> > dear sunil bhattacharya ji

> > ? aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri

chandra haris reserch .and pls understand

> that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also

there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other

places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in

kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct

chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt

mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.

> > ?

> > ?If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and

even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not

that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b

truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt

it )

> > ?

> > regrds sunil nair

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > ?

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goelji,

> >

> >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined

more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers

do that in the olden days? Yes the? Vernal equinox (VE) point moves

due to precession and comes back to its previous position only after

25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini

nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best

reference point. But I go by how the big? authorities? decide the

issue.

> > >

> > > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the

rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a

corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there

is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the

ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the

ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical

> observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta,

though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura

(Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:

> > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why

named so ?

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

vedic astrology, " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao "

pvr108@, " sohamsa " sohamsa@ .com, " Rao K N " k_n_rao@, " Rao

K N " knrastro@

> > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,

> > >

> > >

> The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a

observational problem.

> > >

> > > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc

accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.

> > >

> > > We are all presently depending on data given by positional

astronomical centres.

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely

> > >

> > > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical

ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars

> > >

> > > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted

and adopted by most of savants in India.

> > >

> > > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the

nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian

Astrologers as to which should be the

> > >

> > > reference Star ,based on which initial

> point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes

partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.

> > >

> > > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view

that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be

opposite to it.

> > >

> > > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the

mathematical definition of Ayanamsa

> > >

> > > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.

> > >

> > > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis) for any era can be

calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS

CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE

LESS THAN 0 " .04.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Jyotishi ji, Sayana System is important; But Sayana Rashis can NEVER BE Aries, Taurus etc. Vedic Indians and Greeks AFTER Ptolemy used this system. This system is relevent especially related to Agricultural Calendar system. Nirayana System is important; ONLY in this system the Rashis can be Aries, Taurus etc; is Tantric (Agama) Indians and Greeks BEFORE Ptolemy used this system. This system is important especially related to the rhythm of the solar system and its influence on human destynty. This Big cycles and the Yoga system are all related to this. So what ever Beping Behari say (I don't know who it is), as as group interested in ANCIENT INDIAN ASTROLOGY we are more interested in Nirayana system. Because - * There is not much astrology present in Vedas texts, very to less to mention about a systematic approach to astrology. It vaguely mentions Nirayana system and extensively uses Sayana system of Agricultural and ritualistic calendar calculations. * Root texts of Indian Nirayana astrology are little known texts like Skanda hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Kausika hora, Garga Hora, Parasara Samhita etc which dates back to BC 1400 or more. A glimpse of this ancient knowledge can be viewed in some ancient Tantric texts as well. It is in this fragmented ancient Agama information and system is the one in which we are more interested in. Astrology is an AGAMA SASTRA (Tantric Discipline). Even if we consider Mesopotamian/Babylonian/Greek astrology Nirayana system seems to be more ancient and authentic than the Sayana system. These statements are NOT TO NEGATE the scientific validity of Cardinal points as far as the generation of Seasons and thus an Agricultural Calendar is concerned; But to add an extra layer of broad view and framework which may help us view at the universe using a bigger picture. (FIXED Nakshatras and Rashis are the Graph like framework based on which movements can be described. Please know it as a fact, and a better scientific approach.)Love and regards,Sreenadh --In , "jyotishi2001" <jyotishi2001 wrote:>> Dear Madam,> It is so confusing! Beping Behari is talking of Sayana Rashis and > this groups insists on nirayanas!> Regards,> Jyotishi2001> , "neelam gupta" > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > I think Bepin Behari's "Esoteric Principles of Vedic Astrology" > gives> > beautiful explanations of signs, symbols and their meanings.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > 2008/7/17 Bhaskar rajiventerprises@:> > > > > *Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?*> > >> > > The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and > Winter and> > > names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.> > >> > > Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep > produce their> > > young.> > > Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.> > > Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the > end of> > > May.> > > Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 > The Sun turns> > > backwards towards the equator.> > > Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.> > > Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears > of corn.> > > Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.> > > Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases > in this> > > month.> > > Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.> > > Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the > ibex> > > (Goat)> > > Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water > carrier ).> > > Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).> > >> > > The above may be all nonsense for what we know.> > >> > > I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.> > >> > > rgds/Bhaskar.> > >> > > P.S.> > > ( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is> > > the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall > in january> > > etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ?? > and India> > > mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at > different> > > times, then what we see now.> > > > > >> >>