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Hare rama krishna

respected Bhaskar ji

 

Thanks for those notes on how name of the rasis originated .

I hav a take on only the aries ,first rasi in zodiac .aries is known as Goat ,or mesha in sanskrit or in many local Languages .

We Hindus assume the zodiac is the symbol of Kala purusha the time personanified .

so aries the Mesha sign was also known as aja ,(ajam means mesham or goat .) And over yrs we strted using the name as mesha than aja .

But the real meaning of aja is those who un born ,other name for Lord himself .Ppl may call him as Narayana or Mahakala ( we can take as ruler of time,that is why he is also Known as destroyer as time is the beginer ,sustainer and destroyer of every thing ) Lord siva ji ,depending on their blf or choices .

 

So since its first sign in zodiac we take it as head of Kaala purusha too .

 

Other rasi sign name we need to probe more .

 

good attempt bhaskar ji ,pls keep it up

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ? The year> was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and Winter and names> alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation. Aries (Ram)> March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their young.> Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land. Gemini (> Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of May.> Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun> turns backwards towards the equator. Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its> zenith. Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the> ears of corn. Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are> equal. Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases > in this month. Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.> Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex> (Goat) Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water> carrier ). Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ). The above may be> all nonsense for what we know. I would try to search for inputs, as> per our Indian system. rgds/Bhaskar. P.S. ( Please note that this> is not my invention and do not know who is the Source, so do not ask me> any queries, as when does rain fall in january etc? Probably the place> where these names were kept ( Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those> ages/places the rainfall may have been at different times, then what we> see now.>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,I think Bepin Behari's " Esoteric Principles of Vedic Astrology " gives beautiful explanations of signs, symbols and their meanings.RegardsNeelam

2008/7/17 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises:

 

 

 

 

Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?

 

The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and Winter and names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.

 

Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their young.

Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.

Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of May.

Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun turns backwards towards the equator.

Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.

Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears of corn.

Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.

Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases in this month.

Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.

Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex (Goat)

Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water carrier ).

Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).

 

The above may be all nonsense for what we know.

 

I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.

 

rgds/Bhaskar.

 

P.S.

( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is

the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in january etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at different times, then what we see now.

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Hare rama krishna

dear Neelam ji

Thanks for the information .

But can u help me and grp by reproducing it if u find its helpful ,pls take ur own time ,and do only if ur valuable time permits u .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I think Bepin Behari's "Esoteric Principles of Vedic Astrology" gives> beautiful explanations of signs, symbols and their meanings.> > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/7/17 Bhaskar rajiventerprises:> > > *Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?*> >> > The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and Winter and> > names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.> >> > Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their> > young.> > Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.> > Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of> > May.> > Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun turns> > backwards towards the equator.> > Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.> > Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears of corn.> > Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.> > Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases in this> > month.> > Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.> > Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex> > (Goat)> > Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water carrier ).> > Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).> >> > The above may be all nonsense for what we know.> >> > I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.> >> > rgds/Bhaskar.> >> > P.S.> > ( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is> > the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in january> > etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ?? and India> > mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at different> > times, then what we see now.> > > >>

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Namaste,

 

Thank you for your valuable thoughts. It gives a new insight. So far I have been

thinking that  when the stars in a Rashi are joined together then we see a shape

emerging and that decides the name of that rashi.. In the ancient times the

astronomers observed the position of the a graha in a particular nakshatra and

rashi  with the naked eye and for this the shapes are handy to recognise the

nakshatra and rashi. That is how the sidereal positions of the grahas can be

determined. Of course the ayanas and the vishuvas are to be determined by the

nakshatra and rashi in which the Sun rises in the morning. Please correct me if

I am wrong.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:56

 

Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?

 

The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer, Autumn and Winter and

names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.

 

Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their young.

Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.

Gemini ( Twins )  the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of May.

Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun turns

backwards towards the equator.

Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.

Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears of corn.

Libra ( Scales ) August  when the day and nights are equal.

Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases  in this month.

Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.

Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex (Goat)

Aquarius  In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water carrier ).

Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).

 

The above may be all nonsense for what we know.

 

I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.

 

rgds/Bhaskar.

 

P.S.

 

( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is

the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in january etc?

Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ??  and India mix ???)

and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at different times, then

what we see now.

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Please replace the last but one line in the last mail by the following:

 

" The nakshatra and the rashi positions are determined during the Uttarayana, Dakshinayana and Vishuva by making the observations during the sunrise when the days are shortest, longest or equal as the case may be. Ordinarily the nakshatra and the rashi positions of the Sun can be determined in the Sunrise on any day." Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

Regards

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ? Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 6:00 PM

 

 

Dear Bhaskarji,Namaste,Thank you for your valuable thoughts. It gives a new insight. So far I have been thinking that when the stars in a Rashi are joined together then we see a shape emerging and that decides the name of that rashi.. In the ancient times the astronomers observed the position of the a graha in a particular nakshatra and rashi with the naked eye and for this the shapes are handy to recognise the nakshatra and rashi. That is how the sidereal positions of the grahas can be determined. Of course the ayanas and the vishuvas are to be determined by the nakshatra and rashi in which the Sun rises in the morning. Please correct me if I am wrong.Regards,Sunil Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> wrote:Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Zodiac signs - Why named so ?ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 17, 2008, 10:56 Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ? The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer, Autumn and Winter and names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation. Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their young.Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of May.Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun turns backwards towards the equator.Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.Virgo ( Virgin )

at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears of corn.Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases in this month.Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex (Goat)Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water carrier ).Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ). The above may be all nonsense for what we know. I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system. rgds/Bhaskar. P.S. ( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who isthe Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in january etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at

different times, then what we see now.

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Dear all,

 

Great thinking , whoever thought of it originally

 

(Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is the

Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in

january etc? Probably the place where these names were kept

(Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall

may have been at different times, then what we see now.

 

From Greece, I have the following- so probably, what Bhaskarji wrote

has roots in India

 

Rgds,

bhagavathi

 

 

The Zodiac: Roots to Greek Mythology (written by Romeollo)

 

Where did the Zodiac come from? Why are the astrological signs what

they are? These are a couple questions I asked myself quite a while

back and found that it's all rooted to Greek Mythology (imagine my

glee). Anyway, I finally found my notes to this, so here's my brief

explanations.

 

First of all, the word itself, zodiac, comes from a greek word

meaning, " The circle of animals " . The animals representing the signs

were placed among the stars usually for great acts of heroism.

 

 

Aries - The origin of Aries stems from the tale of the Golden Ram. In

a plot to trap the centaur Ixion, Hera created a woman looking nearly

identical to herself out of a cloud and named her Nephele. She then

forced King Athamus to marry this woman. This relationship didn't

work out at all as Athamus became bored with Nephele fairly quickly

and left her. Athamus almost immediately after this, married Ino.

This of course angered Nephele, so she asked Hera for vengeance. Hera

had no problem in doing this as she was already angry at Athamus and

Ino already as a cause of them taking care of Dionysus for Zeus. Hera

then proceeded to poison their minds and make them crazy. Athamus

attempted to sacrifice his son by Nephele, Phrixius. This plot was

thwarted when Heracles sent a Golden Ram to save him. When the ram

brought Phrixius to his destination, he sacrificed the Golden Ram to

Zeus and in turn, Zeus placed the mighty ram among the stars for his

heroic deed. It is also from this ram that the Golden Fleece from the

tale of Jason & the Argonauts came from.

 

Taurus - The sign of Taurus stems from the Tale of Europa and the

Bull. This is a tale of one of Zeus' many affairs. Zeus was extremely

attracted to Europa and yearned for her affection. Zeus then appeared

before Europa in the form of a magnificent white bull. Europa

couldn't resist petting the bull, so she walked over to it and did

just that. She then climbed upon the bull's back at which point the

bull carried Europa across the sea to Crete where he then took the

form of an eagle and, for a lack of better terms, raped her. In

rememberance of this affair, Zeus placed the image of the bull

amongst the stars.

 

Gemini - This sign stems from the Tale of Castor and Pollux. Castor

and Pollux were half-brothers. Castor was born of Tyndareus and Leda,

Pollux was born of the affair between Zeus and Leda (also known as

the Tale of Leda and the Swan). The twins grew inseperable as time

went on. One day, Castor was killed in a battle. Pollux was so grief

stricken that he took his own life to join his brother at death. In

honor of the brothers' great love, Zeus placed them among the stars.

 

Cancer - The sign of Cancer stems from one of the 12 Trials of

Heracles. While battling the Hydra, Hera sent down a giant crab to

thwart his efforts. The crab was only a nuisance at most as Heracles

simply crushed the crab under his foot just before he defeated the

Hydra. Hera honored the crab's attempt at stopping her most hated of

Zeus' children by placing it amongst the stars.

 

Leo - The sign of Leo stems from yet another of Heracles 12 trials.

Leo of course represents the Lion of Nemea which was Heracles' first

trial. The lion couldn't be defeated by any weapon. Heracles

eventually battled the lion hand to hand (or maybe paw) and strangled

the lion to death. In rememberance of the grand battle, Zeus placed

the Lion of Nemea amongst the stars.

 

Virgo - One of the few signs not represented by an animal, Virgo's

origin stems from the Tale of Pandora. Virgo of course is the

representation of the goddess of purity and innocence, Astraea. After

Pandora opened the jar and let loose all the evil's unto the world,

the gods who lived on the earth fled back to the heavens and away

from the evil's of the earth. Astraea was the last to return to the

heavens. As a rememberance of innocence lost, Astraea was placed

amongst the stars in the form of Virgo.

 

Libra - Libra are the scales that balance justice. They are held by

the goddess of devine justice, Themis. Why exactly she is placed

among the stars I haven't yet found out, but it is interesting that

Libra shines right beside Virgo which represents Astraea, daughter of

Themis.

 

Scorpio - The sign of Scorpio stems from the Tale of Orion. Orion was

the son of Poseidon and Euryale. Orion was also a favored hunting

partner by Artemis which made her brother Apollo very envious. Apollo

pleaded to Gaea to create a giant scorpion to kill Orion. Gaea

obliged, and the scorpion stung and killed great Orion. In

rememberance of this struggle, Zeus placed Orion and the scorpion

amongst the stars.

 

Sagittarius - This sign is representative of the centaur, Cheiron.

Cheiron was a friend of many great hero's in Greek mythology such as

Achilles and Heracles. Speaking of Heracles, some friend he turned

out to be. While hunting, Heracles accidently shot Cheiron in the leg

with a poison arrow. Cheiron was immortal so he couldn't die, he just

had to take the unending pain. Heracles promised to help him somehow.

Upon his ventures, Heracles came upon Prometheus who was trapped with

no way of escape. The only way Prometheus could be set free was for

someone else to take his place. Cheiron wanted only to be relieved of

his insufferable pain, so he took Prometheus' place and died. In

honor of the noble act, Zeus placed Cheiron amongst the stars.

 

Capricorn - The sign of Capricorn represents the goat Amalthea who

fed the infant Zeus. It's said that Zeus placed her among the stars

in gratitude. Other accounts say that Capricorn represents Pan, the

god of the forest, woodlands, and nature.

 

Aquarius - The sign of Aquarius stems from the Tale of the Deucalion

Flood. In this tale, Zeus pours all the waters of the heavens onto

earth to wash away all the evil beings. Deucalion and Pyrrha then

threw stones over their shoulders and created a new race of mankind.

 

Pisces - Pisces represents the goddess of love & beauty, Aphrodite

and the god of love, Eros. While taking a stroll down the Euphrates

River, they had an encounter with the vicious Typhon. They pleaded to

Zeus to help them escape, so Zeus changed the two into fish and they

swam away to safety. In rememberance of this, Athena placed the twin

fishes amongst the stars.

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Dear Bhaskar ji, That was an interesting and informative mail. :) Thanks.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:

Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?

 

The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and Winter and names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.

 

Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep produce their young.

Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.

Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the end of May.

Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21 The Sun turns backwards towards the equator.

Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.

Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears of corn.

Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.

Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases in this month.

Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.

Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the ibex (Goat)

Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water carrier ).

Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).

 

The above may be all nonsense for what we know.

 

I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.

 

rgds/Bhaskar.

 

P.S.

 

( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is

the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in january etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at different times, then what we see now.

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Dear Suni ji,I'll try to do that. The zodiac signs and their symbols (both animal and geometric) have been described by the author in the esoteric sense and their meanings derived thus. It makes a good reading. I find Bepin Behari as one of the very few good and original writers in astrology. One can read and re-read his works which are thought provoking and add new dimensions to your thinking process...

Is it not strange that all ancient civilizations across the globe describe the same zodiac and the same twelve signs but with their own indigenous tales and thoughts, which might've evolved independently. Surely there must have been a common principle that governed this phenomenon...

RegardsNeelam

 

 

 

 

 

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dear Neelam ji

Thanks for the information .

But can u help me and grp by reproducing it if u find its helpful ,pls take ur own time ,and do only if ur valuable time permits u .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

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Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, I agree with you completly. Please note the following facts - * Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250; These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, who followed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther of Yavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOES NOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ample proof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Further these texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individual with malicious intention will try to propagate that these texts were written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works. * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates back to BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrology texts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, Visvamitra Hora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvati period then it will date back even to BC 5000+ * Mesopotamia/Babylonia/Greece: The Mesopotamian/Babylonian astrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology dates back to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - the astrology whose the origin and development is associated to the city of Sun god, Heliopolis. * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authentic sage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jataka and many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerian or American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts such as the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with the name Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu called Mayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, or may be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recent day scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theories put forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or around BC 300 - AD 300. Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha (The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally different stream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They are not Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400 these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practice and preach today. Please note that "no astrology texts mention the name of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha". Lagatha was simply irrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology. This is what I would like to add to your valuable and sincere thoughts.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Bhagavatiji,> ?> Namaste,> ?> I wish to differ somewhat as I find it difficult to agree with David Pingree, who was the first to say that Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks. In fact to my knowledge that is what?Pingree?worked on for his?PhD. In the Vaiican library he found a manuscript in the Greek language. He said that it came from India? to? Babylon and?from there?to Greece and then he?said that India must have got it from Greece in the first place. In fact nobody has ever found any Greek astrology book prior to the Yavanajataka.? Yavanajataka?must have been?based on Mayasura's Suryasiddhanta.? The original Suryasiddhanta is said to be?much bigger than what is available today. Bhatotpala quoted some verses of the original ?Suryasiddhanta which?are not available in the presently available Suryasiddhanta.? Mayasura?was the Yavaneshwara, based on whose book Sphuridhvaja and Minaraja wrote their Yavanajataka.and Brihatyavanajataka respectively, in the versified> form in Sanskrit. Mayasura belonged to the time of the Pandavas and Mahabharata?tells us?that he resided in the Khandava area. Astrology was known to the Indians in the very ancient times much before astrology was taught to the Greeks by the Chaldeans in the 2nd century BCE. The ancient djarmashastra, Manu Smrirt says that the Vanaprasthis should not give astrological advice to the people from whom they beg their food. .Atharvana Jyotisha was as old as the Rig Jotisha and Yajus Jyotisha of the Vedanga jyotisha.but those influenced by the thinking of Pingree tries to lower the antiquity of Atharva Jyotisha by giving it a date of 500 BCE yet maintaining that Vedanga jJotisha was composed in the 14th century BCE. In fact Vedanga Jyotisha was also composed much earlier than 14th century BCE as?the Vedanga jytisha mentions that uttarayana??occurred in Dhanistha nakshatra.> ?> Regards,> ?> sunil Bhattacharjya> ?> ?> ?> ?> > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:> > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 8:55 PM> > > > > > > Dear all,> > Great thinking , whoever thought of it originally> > (Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is the> Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall in> january etc? Probably the place where these names were kept> (Greece ?? and India mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall> may have been at different times, then what we see now.> > From Greece, I have the following- so probably, what Bhaskarji wrote> has roots in India> > Rgds,> bhagavathi> > The Zodiac: Roots to Greek Mythology (written by Romeollo)> > Where did the Zodiac come from? Why are the astrological signs what> they are? These are a couple questions I asked myself quite a while> back and found that it's all rooted to Greek Mythology (imagine my> glee). Anyway, I finally found my notes to this, so here's my brief> explanations.> > First of all, the word itself, zodiac, comes from a greek word> meaning, "The circle of animals". The animals representing the signs> were placed among the stars usually for great acts of heroism.> > Aries - The origin of Aries stems from the tale of the Golden Ram. In> a plot to trap the centaur Ixion, Hera created a woman looking nearly> identical to herself out of a cloud and named her Nephele. She then> forced King Athamus to marry this woman. This relationship didn't> work out at all as Athamus became bored with Nephele fairly quickly> and left her. Athamus almost immediately after this, married Ino.> This of course angered Nephele, so she asked Hera for vengeance. Hera> had no problem in doing this as she was already angry at Athamus and> Ino already as a cause of them taking care of Dionysus for Zeus. Hera> then proceeded to poison their minds and make them crazy. Athamus> attempted to sacrifice his son by Nephele, Phrixius. This plot was> thwarted when Heracles sent a Golden Ram to save him. When the ram> brought Phrixius to his destination, he sacrificed the Golden Ram to> Zeus and in turn, Zeus placed the mighty ram among the stars for his> heroic deed. It is also from this ram that the Golden Fleece from the> tale of Jason & the Argonauts came from.> > Taurus - The sign of Taurus stems from the Tale of Europa and the> Bull. This is a tale of one of Zeus' many affairs. Zeus was extremely> attracted to Europa and yearned for her affection. Zeus then appeared> before Europa in the form of a magnificent white bull. Europa> couldn't resist petting the bull, so she walked over to it and did> just that. She then climbed upon the bull's back at which point the> bull carried Europa across the sea to Crete where he then took the> form of an eagle and, for a lack of better terms, raped her. In> rememberance of this affair, Zeus placed the image of the bull> amongst the stars.> > Gemini - This sign stems from the Tale of Castor and Pollux. Castor> and Pollux were half-brothers. Castor was born of Tyndareus and Leda,> Pollux was born of the affair between Zeus and Leda (also known as> the Tale of Leda and the Swan). The twins grew inseperable as time> went on. One day, Castor was killed in a battle. Pollux was so grief> stricken that he took his own life to join his brother at death. In> honor of the brothers' great love, Zeus placed them among the stars.> > Cancer - The sign of Cancer stems from one of the 12 Trials of> Heracles. While battling the Hydra, Hera sent down a giant crab to> thwart his efforts. The crab was only a nuisance at most as Heracles> simply crushed the crab under his foot just before he defeated the> Hydra. Hera honored the crab's attempt at stopping her most hated of> Zeus' children by placing it amongst the stars.> > Leo - The sign of Leo stems from yet another of Heracles 12 trials.> Leo of course represents the Lion of Nemea which was Heracles' first> trial. The lion couldn't be defeated by any weapon. Heracles> eventually battled the lion hand to hand (or maybe paw) and strangled> the lion to death. In rememberance of the grand battle, Zeus placed> the Lion of Nemea amongst the stars.> > Virgo - One of the few signs not represented by an animal, Virgo's> origin stems from the Tale of Pandora. Virgo of course is the> representation of the goddess of purity and innocence, Astraea. After> Pandora opened the jar and let loose all the evil's unto the world,> the gods who lived on the earth fled back to the heavens and away> from the evil's of the earth. Astraea was the last to return to the> heavens. As a rememberance of innocence lost, Astraea was placed> amongst the stars in the form of Virgo.> > Libra - Libra are the scales that balance justice. They are held by> the goddess of devine justice, Themis. Why exactly she is placed> among the stars I haven't yet found out, but it is interesting that> Libra shines right beside Virgo which represents Astraea, daughter of> Themis.> > Scorpio - The sign of Scorpio stems from the Tale of Orion. Orion was> the son of Poseidon and Euryale. Orion was also a favored hunting> partner by Artemis which made her brother Apollo very envious. Apollo> pleaded to Gaea to create a giant scorpion to kill Orion. Gaea> obliged, and the scorpion stung and killed great Orion. In> rememberance of this struggle, Zeus placed Orion and the scorpion> amongst the stars.> > Sagittarius - This sign is representative of the centaur, Cheiron.> Cheiron was a friend of many great hero's in Greek mythology such as> Achilles and Heracles. Speaking of Heracles, some friend he turned> out to be. While hunting, Heracles accidently shot Cheiron in the leg> with a poison arrow. Cheiron was immortal so he couldn't die, he just> had to take the unending pain. Heracles promised to help him somehow.> Upon his ventures, Heracles came upon Prometheus who was trapped with> no way of escape. The only way Prometheus could be set free was for> someone else to take his place. Cheiron wanted only to be relieved of> his insufferable pain, so he took Prometheus' place and died. In> honor of the noble act, Zeus placed Cheiron amongst the stars.> > Capricorn - The sign of Capricorn represents the goat Amalthea who> fed the infant Zeus. It's said that Zeus placed her among the stars> in gratitude. Other accounts say that Capricorn represents Pan, the> god of the forest, woodlands, and nature.> > Aquarius - The sign of Aquarius stems from the Tale of the Deucalion> Flood. In this tale, Zeus pours all the waters of the heavens onto> earth to wash away all the evil beings. Deucalion and Pyrrha then> threw stones over their shoulders and created a new race of mankind.> > Pisces - Pisces represents the goddess of love & beauty, Aphrodite> and the god of love, Eros. While taking a stroll down the Euphrates> River, they had an encounter with the vicious Typhon. They pleaded to> Zeus to help them escape, so Zeus changed the two into fish and they> swam away to safety. In rememberance of this, Athena placed the twin> fishes amongst the stars.>

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Does anybody know here the origin of Sarvanand Laghav ? If yes, then please enlighten.

rgrds/Bhaskar.

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Dear Bhattacharya ji,

// So far I have been thinking that when the stars in a Rashi are joined together then we see a shape emerging and that decides the name of that rashi //

Of course. this is absolutely right. What i presented last evening was maybe a corruption by the elstwhen writers of the modern era. The actual signs are based on the symbols of the animals created in the sky due to the arrays of the various constelattions in the background..

Our Job is just to pick the logic available anywhere.

I will try to write short notes on the relations of the signs to the constellations in few days time. It would be revealing.

Always something or the other is revealed from any meaningful discussion.

regards,

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Dear Goelji,

 

What I meant was that even the ayanamsa could be found out through the physical

observation.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Thursday, July 17, 2008, 11:32 PM

 

 

Dear Bhattacharjya,

Tropical signs are linked with Uttaraya and Dakshinayana, i.e the signs linked

with

movements of Ayana,

Nakshatra's appear to be fixed in sky and are not linked with the movement of

Ayans.

Sidereal signs are linked with Nakshatras and that is why they are called

Nir-Ayana signs.

Regards,

 G.K.GOEL

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Hare rama krishna .

dear Neelam ji

 

Thanks ,take ur time .

 

regrds sunil nair

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Suni ji,> > I'll try to do that. The zodiac signs and their symbols (both animal and> geometric) have been described by the author in the esoteric sense and their> meanings derived thus. It makes a good reading. I find Bepin Behari as one> of the very few good and original writers in astrology. One can read and> re-read his works which are thought provoking and add new dimensions to your> thinking process...> > Is it not strange that all ancient civilizations across the globe describe> the same zodiac and the same twelve signs but with their own indigenous> tales and thoughts, which might've evolved independently. Surely there must> have been a common principle that governed this phenomenon...> > Regards> Neelam> > > **> >> > *Hare rama krishna *> >> > *dear Neelam ji *> >> > * Thanks for the information .*> >> > *But can u help me and grp by reproducing it if u find its helpful ,pls> > take ur own time ,and do only if ur valuable time permits u .*> >> > *regrds sunil nair *> >> > *om shreem mahalaxmai namah*> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Bhattacharjya ji,

The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational

problem.

Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately  once

method of its determination is agreed to.

We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.

Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely

1. V.E.POINT  , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical  ZODIAC. This

point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars

at a  mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by

most of savants in India.

2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti

and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be

the

reference Star ,based on which initial point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed.

As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.

  As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra

should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.

If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical

definition of Ayanamsa

  Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.

 Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis) for any era can be calculated from

the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN

CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0 " .04.

Regards,

 

 

 G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

 

Friday, 18 July, 2008 8:56:02 PM

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

 

Dear Goelji,

 

What I meant was that even the ayanamsa could be found out through the physical

observation.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

ancient_indian_ astrology

Thursday, July 17, 2008, 11:32 PM

 

Dear Bhattacharjya,

Tropical signs are linked with Uttaraya and Dakshinayana, i.e the signs linked

with

movements of Ayana,

Nakshatra's appear to be fixed in sky and are not linked with the movement of

Ayans.

Sidereal signs are linked with Nakshatras and that is why they are called

Nir-Ayana signs.

Regards,

 

 

 G.K.GOEL

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Dear Goelji,

 

Namaste,

 

You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly

through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days?

Yes the  Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its

previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that

beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the

best reference point. But I go by how the big  authorities  decide the issue.

 

we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars

in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the

rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the

Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac

were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through

physical observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though

born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly

visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ,

vedic astrology , " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " <pvr108,

" sohamsa " <sohamsa >, " Rao K N " <k_n_rao, " Rao K

N " <knrastro

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM

 

 

 

Dear Bhattacharjya ji,

 

The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational

problem.

 

Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once

method of its determination is agreed to.

 

We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.

 

Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely

 

1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This

point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars

 

at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by

most of savants in India.

 

2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti

and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be

the

 

reference Star ,based on which initial point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed.

As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.

 

As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra

should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.

 

If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical

definition of Ayanamsa

 

Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.

 

Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from

the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN

CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0 " .04.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

G.K.GOEL

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Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris reserch .and pls understand that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.

 

If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt it )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Goelji,> > Namaste,> > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days? Yes the Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best reference point. But I go by how the big authorities decide the issue.> > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.> > Regards,> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote:> Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" pvr108, "sohamsa" sohamsa , "Rao K N" k_n_rao, "Rao K N" knrastro Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM> > > > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,> > The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational problem.> > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.> > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.> > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely> > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars> > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by most of savants in India.> > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be the> > reference Star ,based on which initial point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.> > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.> > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical definition of Ayanamsa> > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.> > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0".04.> > Regards,> > > > G.K.GOEL>

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Namaste,

 

I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on a

middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know

Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.

 

Regads,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM

 

Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

  aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris

reserch .and pls understand that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but

bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other

places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I

think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to

search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were

published in science society mags.

 

 If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy

was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or

who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives

i hav already posted abt it )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Goelji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly

through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days?

Yes the  Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its

previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that

beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the

best reference point. But I go by how the big  authorities  decide the issue.

>

> we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the

stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to

the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the

Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac

were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through

physical observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though

born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly

visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@. .. wrote:

> Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@. ..

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology@

. com, " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " pvr108, " sohamsa "

sohamsa@ .com, " Rao K N " k_n_rao, " Rao K N " knrastro

> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM

>

>

>

> Dear Bhattacharjya ji,

>

> The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational

problem.

>

> Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once

method of its determination is agreed to.

>

> We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical

centres.

>

> Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely

>

> 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This

point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars

>

> at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by

most of savants in India.

>

> 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of

Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which

should be the

>

> reference Star ,based on which initial point of sidereal zodiac should be

fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers

themselves.

>

> As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra

should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.

>

> If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical

definition of Ayanamsa

>

> Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.

>

> Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated

from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE

IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0 " .04.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

 

we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the facts and vice versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and mythology too .

But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a place to start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u r frm culcutta or bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation unless there is some specific reason ,

Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa ( zero degree ) for calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical calculation ( other wise what was the need for it ) ,where as in modern parlance u can find GMT ( greenwitch mean time ) ,so this GMT new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or some shift in world history happened .

 

can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as Niraksha desa and why it so ??

Now what is the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones asmari in urine bladder stone disease in ayurveda ) ?? why it so called ,or is it kodumkallur ( a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now known as kondungallur and u can search it ) It was HQ of kerala kings calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city which has reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is musiris )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.> > Regads,> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM> > Hare rama krishna> dear sunil bhattacharya ji> aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris reserch .and pls understand that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.> > If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt it )> > regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Goelji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days? Yes the Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best reference point. But I go by how the big authorities decide the issue.> >> > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.> >> > Regards,> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:> > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology, "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" pvr108@, "sohamsa" sohamsa@ .com, "Rao K N" k_n_rao@, "Rao K N" knrastro@> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM> >> >> >> > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,> >> > The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational problem.> >> > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.> >> > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.> >> > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely> >> > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars> >> > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by most of savants in India.> >> > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be the> >> > reference Star ,based on which initial point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.> >> > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.> >> > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical definition of Ayanamsa> >> > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.> >> > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0".04.> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > G.K.GOEL> >>

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Namaste,

 

Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji  of 15th

century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to

my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen

Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh

(ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of  present-day

Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.

 

I am more concerned  about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam

Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23

years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era.  Therefore his date should be 3102

- 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.

 

I think Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the

equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen

arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many

stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the  original Aryasiddhanta considered

the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich.

This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude,

in the modern times. However I am open to correction.

 

Regards,

 

sunil Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:24 AM

 

 

Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

 

  we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the facts and vice

versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and mythology too .

But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a place to

start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u r frm culcutta or

bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation unless there is some specific

reason ,

Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa  ( zero degree ) for

calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical calculation ( other wise what was

the need for it )  ,where as in modern parlance  u can find GMT ( greenwitch

mean time ) ,so this GMT new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or

some shift in world history happened .

 

can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as Niraksha

desa and why it so ??

Now what is the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones asmari in urine

bladder stone disease in ayurveda )  ?? why it so called ,or is it kodumkallur (

a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now known as kondungallur and u can search it

) It was HQ of kerala kings calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city

which has reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is

musiris )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Nairji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on

a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know

Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.

>

> Regads,

>

> Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM

>  

> Hare rama krishna

> dear sunil bhattacharya ji

>   aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris

reserch .and pls understand

that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the

chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations

were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it

,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and

sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.

>  

>  If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri

pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north

or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in

archives i hav already posted abt it )

>  

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>  

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goelji,

>

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly

through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days?

Yes the  Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its

previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that

beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the

best reference point. But I go by how the big  authorities  decide the issue.

> >

> > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the

stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to

the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the

Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac

were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through

physical

observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in

Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited

Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:

> > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology@

. com, " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " pvr108@, " sohamsa " sohamsa@

..com, " Rao K N " k_n_rao@, " Rao K N " knrastro@

> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,

> >

> >

The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational

problem.

> >

> > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once

method of its determination is agreed to.

> >

> > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical

centres.

> >

> > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely

> >

> > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This

point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars

> >

> > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by

most of savants in India.

> >

> > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of

Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which

should be the

> >

> > reference Star ,based on which initial

point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the

problem created by astrologers themselves.

> >

> > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra

should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.

> >

> > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical

definition of Ayanamsa

> >

> > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.

> >

> > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated

from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE

IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0 " .04.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji ,

 

Now atleast i am happy that u hav come upto karnataka or AP ,Now the question comes without a sea faring tradition how he can go to lanka ??if it is original lanka as 0 degree he used .where u can get proximity for day to day reserch ??

also pls remembr it that kerala was one of the famous place of budhist janapada .till the rise of jagat guru adi sankara .Even the mural painting of a teacher teaching martial arts to shaolin budhist monks in china has proved beyond doubt that he is frm kerala and how they travelled ?? why his pic depicted unless he is frm some important place came with important mission.( pls refer any Links on martial arts history ) And many cities in kerala which is mentioned in all travollogues which ever u can produce .even the black pepper was known as yavana priya in sanskrit .

 

Now only problem for me i need to go to other calculations which is sri chandrahari has already explained with all his finding even its available in net ,even the eclipses he used ,the period and the circumference ,how can he arrive if he use diffrnt places etc,even the possiblity of meeting forign traders ,and other astronomers frm every part of world etc etc .

I hav aryabhattiya but i dont want to re invent the wheel .and i am nt asking abt his period ( do u think kerala was not there that time where even in Mahabharath it was mentioned the kerala king participated in war or do u blv that even that is wrong .)

now i dont want to go further in details .Another thing is that the aryabhatta calculations and almost all bhasya ( translations and commentaries all u can find in kerala tradition only ) Only chance is that the jains and budhist scholars they used to teach in even Nalanda and takshshila or other universities and gurukulas and they may include teachers frm any part of india .still his calculations were used in vague in other part of country .

 

yes other wise his yuga calculation he was using as jain calculation and even some says it matches with his birthday ,their i also agree with u ,but it doesnot mean that he born in even BC ( also possible and i dont argue now but our main proof the book of him the calculations he arrives at and which geometrical area its possible to see eclipses and its calculation in such way mentioned by him ) ,he may be using a back calculation too in some part as i am not familiar much with astronomy .

The main arguement is if some one in alexandria uses to measure earth or other planets etc he will use alexandria as a place of 0 and then will go for the calculations ,

GMT calculation is a political one than its 0 degree ,any where in world u can do it as assuming centre of earth but u hav to modify the calculations accordingly as earth is assumed as a GOLA .

Again mathematical astromical calculations is not my area .But think how a non vedic yuga kalagaana accepted and which area was has more influence and what is the reason ??

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji of 15th century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh (ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of present-day Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.> > I am more concerned about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23 years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era. Therefore his date should be 3102 - 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.> > I think Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the original Aryasiddhanta considered the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich. This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude, in the modern times. However I am open to correction.> > Regards,> > sunil Bhattacharjya> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:24 AM> > > Hare rama krishna> dear sunil bhattacharya ji> > we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the facts and vice versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and mythology too .> But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a place to start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u r frm culcutta or bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation unless there is some specific reason ,> Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa ( zero degree ) for calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical calculation ( other wise what was the need for it ) ,where as in modern parlance u can find GMT ( greenwitch mean time ) ,so this GMT new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or some shift in world history happened .> > can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as Niraksha desa and why it so ??> Now what is the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones asmari in urine bladder stone disease in ayurveda ) ?? why it so called ,or is it kodumkallur ( a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now known as kondungallur and u can search it ) It was HQ of kerala kings calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city which has reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is musiris )> > regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.> >> > Regads,> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> >> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear sunil bhattacharya ji> > aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris reserch .and pls understand> that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.> > > > If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt it )> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > >> > > Dear Goelji,> >> >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days? Yes the Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best reference point. But I go by how the big authorities decide the issue.> > >> > > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical> observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:> > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology, "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" pvr108@, "sohamsa" sohamsa@ .com, "Rao K N" k_n_rao@, "Rao K N" knrastro@> > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,> > >> > >> The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational problem.> > >> > > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.> > >> > > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.> > >> > > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely> > >> > > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars> > >> > > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by most of savants in India.> > >> > > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be the> > >> > > reference Star ,based on which initial> point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.> > >> > > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.> > >> > > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical definition of Ayanamsa> > >> > > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.> > >> > > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0".04.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > G.K.GOEL> > >> >>

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The Book Indian Astrology An appraisal by VS Kalyanraman, released in 2007 by cbh Publishers, gives a cogent answer to the questions relating to the geographical anamolies, and relations to Indian astrology and astronomy to a great extent.

Also a section of articles on Kerala Astrologers, availability of texts relating to kerala astrology, development of Kerala astrology, and its history is well brought out in these articles.

This is an essential book for every one interested in the astronomy literature relating to Indian astronomy and Kerala astrology.

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sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ? Date: Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 4:39 AM

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji ,

 

Now atleast i am happy that u hav come upto karnataka or AP ,Now the question comes without a sea faring tradition how he can go to lanka ??if it is original lanka as 0 degree he used .where u can get proximity for day to day reserch ??

also pls remembr it that kerala was one of the famous place of budhist janapada .till the rise of jagat guru adi sankara .Even the mural painting of a teacher teaching martial arts to shaolin budhist monks in china has proved beyond doubt that he is frm kerala and how they travelled ?? why his pic depicted unless he is frm some important place came with important mission.( pls refer any Links on martial arts history ) And many cities in kerala which is mentioned in all travollogues which ever u can produce .even the black pepper was known as yavana priya in sanskrit .

 

Now only problem for me i need to go to other calculations which is sri chandrahari has already explained with all his finding even its available in net ,even the eclipses he used ,the period and the circumference ,how can he arrive if he use diffrnt places etc,even the possiblity of meeting forign traders ,and other astronomers frm every part of world etc etc .

I hav aryabhattiya but i dont want to re invent the wheel .and i am nt asking abt his period ( do u think kerala was not there that time where even in Mahabharath it was mentioned the kerala king participated in war or do u blv that even that is wrong .)

now i dont want to go further in details .Another thing is that the aryabhatta calculations and almost all bhasya ( translations and commentaries all u can find in kerala tradition only ) Only chance is that the jains and budhist scholars they used to teach in even Nalanda and takshshila or other universities and gurukulas and they may include teachers frm any part of india .still his calculations were used in vague in other part of country .

 

yes other wise his yuga calculation he was using as jain calculation and even some says it matches with his birthday ,their i also agree with u ,but it doesnot mean that he born in even BC ( also possible and i dont argue now but our main proof the book of him the calculations he arrives at and which geometrical area its possible to see eclipses and its calculation in such way mentioned by him ) ,he may be using a back calculation too in some part as i am not familiar much with astronomy .

The main arguement is if some one in alexandria uses to measure earth or other planets etc he will use alexandria as a place of 0 and then will go for the calculations ,

GMT calculation is a political one than its 0 degree ,any where in world u can do it as assuming centre of earth but u hav to modify the calculations accordingly as earth is assumed as a GOLA .

Again mathematical astromical calculations is not my area .But think how a non vedic yuga kalagaana accepted and which area was has more influence and what is the reason ??

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji of 15th century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh (ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of present-day Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.> > I am more concerned about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23 years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era. Therefore his date should be 3102 - 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.> > I think

Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the original Aryasiddhanta considered the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich. This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude, in the modern times. However I am open to correction.> > Regards,> > sunil Bhattacharjya> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:24 AM> > > Hare rama krishna> dear sunil

bhattacharya ji> > we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the facts and vice versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and mythology too .> But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a place to start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u r frm culcutta or bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation unless there is some specific reason ,> Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa ( zero degree ) for calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical calculation ( other wise what was the need for it ) ,where as in modern parlance u can find GMT ( greenwitch mean time ) ,so this GMT new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or some shift in world history happened .> > can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as Niraksha desa and why it so ??> Now what is

the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones asmari in urine bladder stone disease in ayurveda ) ?? why it so called ,or is it kodumkallur ( a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now known as kondungallur and u can search it ) It was HQ of kerala kings calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city which has reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is musiris )> > regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.> >> > Regads,>

>> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> >> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear sunil bhattacharya ji> > aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris reserch .and pls understand> that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were

published in science society mags.> > > > If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt it )> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > >> > > Dear Goelji,> >> >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days? Yes the Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back

to its previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best reference point. But I go by how the big authorities decide the issue.> > >> > > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical> observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> >

> Sunil Bhattacharjya> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:> > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology, "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" pvr108@, "sohamsa" sohamsa@ .com, "Rao K N" k_n_rao@, "Rao K N" knrastro@> > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,> > >> > >> The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational problem.> > >> > > Modern astronomy is now far advanced

and can measure any arc accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.> > >> > > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.> > >> > > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely> > >> > > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars> > >> > > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by most of savants in India..> > >> > > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be the> > >> > > reference Star ,based on which initial> point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem

created by astrologers themselves.> > >> > > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it.> > >> > > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical definition of Ayanamsa> > >> > > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.> > >> > > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0".04.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > G.K..GOEL> > >> >>

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Namaste,

 

Aryabhatta was a great person. Thanks to Dr. Bhau Daji, who discovered the

Dasagitika and Aryabhatiya in 1864.  I have read a copy of Aryabhatiya, which

was published by INSA. My regret is that the original Arya siddhanta is still

not available. It is a pity that such a great work has been lost. I shall be

truly happy if Kerala has been indisputably established to be his birth place. I

read that Bodhidharma, who took the martial arts to China, was from the South

India. Who in India does not know the contribution of the great Adi

Sankaracharya, who was born in Kaladi in 509 BCE . I visited Kerala as early as

in 1961and at that time I visited Kanyakumari, Trivandrum (now

Thiruvananthapuram), Kottayam, Kovalam (it was being developed at that time),

Cochin / Alwaye and some other places. My regret is that I could not visit

Guruvayur and Kaladi.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?

 

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:09 PM

Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji ,

 

Now atleast i am happy that u hav come upto karnataka or AP ,Now the question

comes without a sea faring tradition how he can go to lanka ??if it is original

lanka as 0 degree he used .where u can get proximity for day to day reserch ??

also pls remembr  it that kerala was one of the famous place of  budhist

janapada .till the rise of jagat guru adi sankara .Even the mural painting of a

teacher teaching martial arts to shaolin budhist monks in china has proved

beyond doubt that he is frm kerala and how they travelled ?? why his pic

depicted unless he is frm some important place came with important mission.( pls

refer any Links on martial arts history ) And many cities in kerala which is

mentioned in all travollogues which ever u can produce .even the black pepper

was known as yavana priya in sanskrit .

 

Now only problem for me i need to go to other calculations which is sri

chandrahari has already explained with all his finding even its available in net

 ,even the eclipses he used ,the period and the circumference ,how can he arrive

if he use diffrnt places etc,even the possiblity of meeting forign traders ,and

other astronomers frm every part of world etc etc .

I hav aryabhattiya but i dont want to re invent the wheel .and i am nt asking

abt his period ( do u think kerala was not there that time where even in

Mahabharath it was mentioned the kerala king participated in war or do u blv

that even that is wrong .)

now i dont want to go further in details .Another thing is that the aryabhatta

calculations and almost all bhasya ( translations and commentaries all u can

find in kerala tradition only ) Only chance is that the jains and budhist

scholars they used to teach in even Nalanda and takshshila or other

 universities and gurukulas and they may include teachers frm any part of india

..still his calculations were used in vague in other part of country .

 

yes other wise his yuga calculation he was using as jain calculation and even

some says it matches with his birthday ,their i also agree with u ,but it

doesnot mean that he born in even BC ( also possible and i dont argue now but

our main proof the book of him the calculations he arrives at and which

geometrical area its possible to see eclipses and its calculation in such way

mentioned by him ) ,he may be using a back calculation too in some part as i am

not familiar much with astronomy .

  The main arguement is if some one in alexandria uses to measure earth or other

planets etc he will use alexandria as a place of 0 and then will go for the

calculations ,

GMT calculation is a political one than its 0 degree ,any where in world u can

do it as assuming centre of earth but u hav to modify the calculations

accordingly as earth is assumed as a GOLA .

Again mathematical astromical calculations is not my area .But think how a non

vedic yuga kalagaana accepted and which area was has more influence and what is

the reason ??

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Nairji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji  of 15th

century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to

my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen

Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh

(ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of  present-day

Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.

>

> I am more concerned  about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam

Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23

years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era.  Therefore his date should be 3102

- 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.

>

> I think

Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the equator

that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen

arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many

stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the  original Aryasiddhanta considered

the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich.

This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude,

in the modern times. However I am open to correction.

>

> Regards,

>

> sunil Bhattacharjya

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

 

Thanks ,

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > Aryabhatta was a great person. Thanks to Dr. Bhau Daji, who discovered the Dasagitika and Aryabhatiya in 1864. I have read a copy of Aryabhatiya, which was published by INSA. My regret is that the original Arya siddhanta is still not available. It is a pity that such a great work has been lost. I shall be truly happy if Kerala has been indisputably established to be his birth place. I read that Bodhidharma, who took the martial arts to China, was from the South India. Who in India does not know the contribution of the great Adi Sankaracharya, who was born in Kaladi in 509 BCE . I visited Kerala as early as in 1961and at that time I visited Kanyakumari, Trivandrum (now Thiruvananthapuram), Kottayam, Kovalam (it was being developed at that time), Cochin / Alwaye and some other places. My regret is that I could not visit Guruvayur and Kaladi.> > Regards,> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:09 PM> Hare rama krishna> dear sunil bhattacharya ji ,> > Now atleast i am happy that u hav come upto karnataka or AP ,Now the question comes without a sea faring tradition how he can go to lanka ??if it is original lanka as 0 degree he used .where u can get proximity for day to day reserch ??> also pls remembr it that kerala was one of the famous place of budhist janapada .till the rise of jagat guru adi sankara .Even the mural painting of a teacher teaching martial arts to shaolin budhist monks in china has proved beyond doubt that he is frm kerala and how they travelled ?? why his pic depicted unless he is frm some important place came with important mission.( pls refer any Links on martial arts history ) And many cities in kerala which is mentioned in all travollogues which ever u can produce .even the black pepper was known as yavana priya in sanskrit .> > Now only problem for me i need to go to other calculations which is sri chandrahari has already explained with all his finding even its available in net ,even the eclipses he used ,the period and the circumference ,how can he arrive if he use diffrnt places etc,even the possiblity of meeting forign traders ,and other astronomers frm every part of world etc etc .> I hav aryabhattiya but i dont want to re invent the wheel .and i am nt asking abt his period ( do u think kerala was not there that time where even in Mahabharath it was mentioned the kerala king participated in war or do u blv that even that is wrong .)> now i dont want to go further in details .Another thing is that the aryabhatta calculations and almost all bhasya ( translations and commentaries all u can find in kerala tradition only ) Only chance is that the jains and budhist scholars they used to teach in even Nalanda and takshshila or other universities and gurukulas and they may include teachers frm any part of india .still his calculations were used in vague in other part of country .> > yes other wise his yuga calculation he was using as jain calculation and even some says it matches with his birthday ,their i also agree with u ,but it doesnot mean that he born in even BC ( also possible and i dont argue now but our main proof the book of him the calculations he arrives at and which geometrical area its possible to see eclipses and its calculation in such way mentioned by him ) ,he may be using a back calculation too in some part as i am not familiar much with astronomy .> The main arguement is if some one in alexandria uses to measure earth or other planets etc he will use alexandria as a place of 0 and then will go for the calculations ,> GMT calculation is a political one than its 0 degree ,any where in world u can do it as assuming centre of earth but u hav to modify the calculations accordingly as earth is assumed as a GOLA .> Again mathematical astromical calculations is not my area .But think how a non vedic yuga kalagaana accepted and which area was has more influence and what is the reason ??> > regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji of 15th century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh (ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of present-day Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.> >> > I am more concerned about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23 years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era. Therefore his date should be 3102 - 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.> >> > I think> Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the original Aryasiddhanta considered the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich. This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude, in the modern times. However I am open to correction.> >> > Regards,> >> > sunil Bhattacharjya> >>

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Hare rama krishna

dear easwaran ji

 

Thanks for the link and all those info and interested ppl will conct u .

 

rgeds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, M Easwaran <cbhpub wrote:>> Dear Sri sunil Nair,> The Book Indian Astrology An appraisal by VS Kalyanraman, released in 2007 by cbh Publishers, gives a cogent answer to the questions relating to the geographical anamolies, and relations to Indian astrology and astronomy to a great extent. > Also a section of articles on Kerala Astrologers, availability of texts relating to kerala astrology, development of Kerala astrology, and its history is well brought out in these articles.> This is an essential book for every one interested in the astronomy literature relating to Indian astronomy and Kerala astrology.> M.Easwaran > > Publishers of books Audios, videos on Music, Astrolrogy in english, Malayalam and Tamil,Sanskrit> cbh Publications> http://www.geocities.com/cbhpub/index.html> CBH Publications> 51/4, Sriganesh, North Aman coil street> Kamaraj nagar, Nagercoil 629003> Phone: 91-4652-222813> > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 4:39 AM> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > dear sunil bhattacharya ji ,>  > Now atleast i am happy that u hav come upto karnataka or AP ,Now the question comes without a sea faring tradition how he can go to lanka ??if it is original lanka as 0 degree he used .where u can get proximity for day to day reserch ??> also pls remembr  it that kerala was one of the famous place of budhist janapada .till the rise of jagat guru adi sankara .Even the mural painting of a teacher teaching martial arts to shaolin budhist monks in china has proved beyond doubt that he is frm kerala and how they travelled ?? why his pic depicted unless he is frm some important place came with important mission.( pls refer any Links on martial arts history ) And many cities in kerala which is mentioned in all travollogues which ever u can produce .even the black pepper was known as yavana priya in sanskrit .>  > Now only problem for me i need to go to other calculations which is sri chandrahari has already explained with all his finding even its available in net  ,even the eclipses he used ,the period and the circumference ,how can he arrive if he use diffrnt places etc,even the possiblity of meeting forign traders ,and other astronomers frm every part of world etc etc .> I hav aryabhattiya but i dont want to re invent the wheel .and i am nt asking abt his period ( do u think kerala was not there that time where even in Mahabharath it was mentioned the kerala king participated in war or do u blv that even that is wrong .) > now i dont want to go further in details .Another thing is that the aryabhatta calculations and almost all bhasya ( translations and commentaries all u can find in kerala tradition only ) Only chance is that the jains and budhist scholars they used to teach in even Nalanda and takshshila or other  universities and gurukulas and they may include teachers frm any part of india .still his calculations were used in vague in other part of country .>  > yes other wise his yuga calculation he was using as jain calculation and even some says it matches with his birthday ,their i also agree with u ,but it doesnot mean that he born in even BC ( also possible and i dont argue now but our main proof the book of him the calculations he arrives at and which geometrical area its possible to see eclipses and its calculation in such way mentioned by him ) ,he may be using a back calculation too in some part as i am not familiar much with astronomy .>  The main arguement is if some one in alexandria uses to measure earth or other planets etc he will use alexandria as a place of 0 and then will go for the calculations ,> GMT calculation is a political one than its 0 degree ,any where in world u can do it as assuming centre of earth but u hav to modify the calculations accordingly as earth is assumed as a GOLA .> Again mathematical astromical calculations is not my area .But think how a non vedic yuga kalagaana accepted and which area was has more influence and what is the reason ??>  > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > Namaste,> > > > Yes, you have a point. Yes it is possible that Nilakanta Somayaji of 15th century CE was wrong. I leaned towards Asmaka in Central India also because to my knowledge the Buddhist literature mentions Asmaka as one of the sixteen Janapadas. This Asmaka was probably either in the preset-day Madhyapradesh (ie.in the ancient Vakataka kingdom) or around the border area of present-day Andhrapradesh and Karnataka.> > > > I am more concerned about the date of Aryabhatta. To me Shastyabdanam Shastyardha means half of sixty times sixty ie. 60 X 60 / 2 = 1800. He was 23 years old in the 1800 years of the Kali era. Therefore his date should be 3102 - 1800 + 25 = 1325 BCE and not what the present-day scholars say.> > > > I think Sri Lanka was selected as the zero-latitude as it is nearest to the equator that he could go. As regards Ujjain (Ujjaini) it could have been chosen arbitrarily as the zero Longitude probably because at one time there many stalwarts in astronomy. To my knowledge the original Aryasiddhanta considered the midnight start of the day and this corresponds to sunrise time at Greenwich. This may be the reason for selecting Greenwich as the place of zero longitude, in the modern times. However I am open to correction.> > > > Regards,> > > > sunil Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:24 AM> > > >  > > Hare rama krishna> > dear sunil bhattacharya ji> >  > >  we can make a issue difficult even without acknowledging the facts and vice versa too .That is the beuti of indian history and mythology too ..> > But facts are facts and the calculation in ancient astronomy need a place to start with ,so chandrahari has used that simple logic ,if u r frm culcutta or bengal will u take nepal as some imp calculation unless there is some specific reason ,> > Now in ancient time we use ujjain or lanka as Nirakhsa desa ( zero degree ) for calculating the planets and diffrnt astromical calculation ( other wise what was the need for it )  ,where as in modern parlance  u can find GMT ( greenwitch mean time ) ,so this GMT new devlpment, is it says they are best in world or some shift in world history happened ..> >  > > can u tell us or any astronomer tell us why they take lanka also as Niraksha desa and why it so ??> > Now what is the meaning of asmaka ( asma means rocks or stones asmari in urine bladder stone disease in ayurveda )  ?? why it so called ,or is it kodumkallur ( a place of big rocks ) in kerala ( now known as kondungallur and u can search it ) It was HQ of kerala kings calld perumals ,cheraman perumals .a sea side city which has reference in all travellogues who ever visited india ( other name is musiris )> >  > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I agree that the birth place of Aryabhatta is a difficult issue. I depended on a middle-age astronomer, who said that Aryabhatta was from Asmaka. Yes I know Chandrahariji. We had correspondence earlier.> > >> > > Regads,> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > >> > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM> > >  > > > Hare rama krishna> > > dear sunil bhattacharya ji> > >  aryabhatta is a keralite astronomer and it was proved by sri chandra haris reserch .and pls understand> > that he was jain and not bhatt a brahmin name but bhatta .Also there is all the chances that he might hav visited ujjain and other places .even his calculations were based on many eclipses happened in kerala ,I think this grp files has it ,other wise u can conct chandrahari .Only need to search for his id in grp and sent a prvt mail and all his reserches were published in science society mags.> > >  > > >  If my memory is correct the parameswara ,bhaskara ,sreedhara,and even sri pathy was kerala astronomers and mathematitions .It is not that who is frm north or who is frm south but the truth shud b truth . ( i think if u search in archives i hav already posted abt it )> > >  > > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >  > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Goelji,> > >> > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > You are right that theses days the ayanamsa can be determined more correctly through modern astronomy. But how did the astronomers do that in the olden days? Yes the Vernal equinox (VE) point moves due to precession and comes back to its previous position only after 25,800 years. My personal preference is that beginning of Ashwini nakshatra or the mid-point of Revati and Ashwini may be the best reference point. But I go by how the big authorities decide the issue.> > > >> > > > we were discussing about the genesis of the names of the rashis. When the stars in a rashi are joined we get a shape and a corresponding name was given to the rashi. Even in the Rig Veda there is mention that the Sun rose to meet the Vrishava (Taurus). In the ancient times both the Tropical and Sidereal zodiac were used and the ancient astronomers checked all their calculations through physical> > observations. It is believed that even the great Aryabhatta, though born in Asmaka (in central India) and trained in Kusumpura (Patna), reportedly visited Ujjayini and Lanka for his observations.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ .. wrote:> > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ ..> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Zodiac signs - Why named so ?> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, vedic astrology, "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" pvr108@, "sohamsa" sohamsa@ .com, "Rao K N" k_n_rao@, "Rao K N" knrastro@> > > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:17 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhattacharjya ji,> > > >> > > >> > The problem of ascertaining the value of Ayanamsa is now not a observational problem.> > > >> > > > Modern astronomy is now far advanced and can measure any arc accurately once method of its determination is agreed to.> > > >> > > > We are all presently depending on data given by positional astronomical centres.> > > >> > > > Ayanamsa is a angular distance between two points namely> > > >> > > > 1. V.E.POINT , which is called first point of Aries in Tropical ZODIAC. This point recedes in zodiac in the back ground of fixed stars> > > >> > > > at a mean rate of about 50.3 sec. per year. This is accepted and adopted by most of savants in India.> > > >> > > > 2 Initial point of sidereal zodiac which lies in between the nakshatra of Revti and ASVIN.There is no unanimity among Indian Astrologers as to which should be the> > > >> > > > reference Star ,based on which initial> > point of sidereal zodiac should be fixed. As such this becomes partially the problem created by astrologers themselves.> > > >> > > > As I know , most of the astrologers in India are of the view that Star Citra should be reference star and initial point should be opposite to it..> > > >> > > > If this view is accepted , then the following becomes the mathematical definition of Ayanamsa> > > >> > > > Value of Ayanamsa = Tropical longitude of Star Chitra - 180deg.> > > >> > > > Tropical longitude of star Citra (Virginis)Â for any era can be calculated from the Fifth Fundamental Catalogue(TK5) AND IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATED AND OBSERVED VALUES WILL BE LESS THAN 0".04.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > G.K.GOEL> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite group at http://in.promos./groups/>

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Dear Madam,

It is so confusing! Beping Behari is talking of Sayana Rashis and

this groups insists on nirayanas!

Regards,

Jyotishi2001

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I think Bepin Behari's " Esoteric Principles of Vedic Astrology "

gives

> beautiful explanations of signs, symbols and their meanings.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2008/7/17 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises:

>

> > *Why were the names given as they are, to the Zodiac signs ?*

> >

> > The year was divided into 4 Seasons as Spring,Summer,Autumn and

Winter and

> > names alloted as per the Suns passage into each constellation.

> >

> > Aries (Ram) March 21. because this was the time when sheep

produce their

> > young.

> > Taurus ( Bull ) April mid, because of Bull who tilled the land.

> > Gemini ( Twins ) the Goats usually produce two young ones at the

end of

> > May.

> > Cancer ( Crab ) is the animal than crawls backward. On June 21

The Sun turns

> > backwards towards the equator.

> > Leo ( Lion ) when the Sun is at its zenith.

> > Virgo ( Virgin ) at time of harvesting, when girls glean the ears

of corn.

> > Libra ( Scales ) August when the day and nights are equal.

> > Scorpio ( Scorpion ) The Suns retreat gives alltypes of diseases

in this

> > month.

> > Sagittarius ( Archer ) This is the hunting period.

> > Capricorn ( Goat ) - Sun starts rising high under the sign of the

ibex

> > (Goat)

> > Aquarius In Jan it rains heavily hence sign of the ( water

carrier ).

> > Pisces Best season for fishing ( Pisces ).

> >

> > The above may be all nonsense for what we know.

> >

> > I would try to search for inputs, as per our Indian system.

> >

> > rgds/Bhaskar.

> >

> > P.S.

> > ( Please note that this is not my invention and do not know who is

> > the Source, so do not ask me any queries, as when does rain fall

in january

> > etc? Probably the place where these names were kept ( Greece ??

and India

> > mix ???) and in those ages/places the rainfall may have been at

different

> > times, then what we see now.

> >

> >

>

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