Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Dear Neelamji, Thank you for posting the much awaited results. I had not spent so much time on deciding the pofession as I did for these two charts. Yes, the strong influence of ketu and moon gives doctor, I thought of a dentist first but saturn, jupiter and mars influencing each other and jupiter's amsa in virgo made me go for a lawyer instead. The marriage part is ok. I am happy that my learning is going on the right track. I am open for any further discussions on these charts. Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear Neelam ji,Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need more tools to distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when Jupiter and Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs?Dear Sreeram ji,I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with a person with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will start believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that my theory fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has.Regards,Krishna--- On Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Subject: Re: venus once again... Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:01 AM Dear All, I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to read the two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun and learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please continue such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach us a lot. This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the results. No one could judge the profession and about marriage there were mixed results. I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the readings. The file is uploaded in the files section for reference. Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved in the two nativities: 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi………………….1 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi…………………2 Both these gentlemen are Doctors. 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed with a top hospital 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK. Marriage (not happy for both): 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from wife's side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage continues despite many problems. 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love marriage to a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems. The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and mars on 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd chart spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in marriage and the second one makes his wife suffer. Common traits: Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders, loving but carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors. If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and discussion of these issues.RegardsNeelam From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, Thank you very much for the interesting exercise and the results. Hope you will keep us busy with more exercises very soon. This is indeed a fine way of learning... blessings Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for your notes on profession. I need to study that area more deeper to get it right most of the times. Regarding my UL theory, it is not necessary that an individual marries with big age difference every time. It happens only when he is undergoing appropriate dasha-bhukti. Otherwise it could be a normal relationship. It will help further if you could share the timing of marriages of both these individuals, if you know. I had shared my UL theory for big-age-difference with this group earlier. I am not sure if you were active in this list at that time are not. For details, please visit my blog at: http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007/12/when-big-age-difference-with-partner.ht\ ml Also, I had covered the case of French President and his wife Carla Bruni earlier. Please refer to message no. 7517. Regards, Krishna --- On Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: venus once again... Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 10:52 AM Dear Bhagavatiji, Krishna ji, You've done very well and got many points right. I didn't want to be judgmental so I didn't make comparative statements. Also, there are scattered correct points in most of the readings. I congratulate everyone. Krishna ji, I don't know what your theory about UL is. The reading about the age difference, though in the second marriage is correct. I would appreciate if you can share this theory with the group. Regarding the profession, there are different combinations that make a doctor. As always, it is easy to do a postmortem study, but one of the most important role is of 6/12 axis, in making a doctor as well as a patient... 6 and 12 being diseases and hospitalisation. For a doctor it is the strong planets and benefic influences and for a patient it is weak planets, malefic influences, etc. Another point is that moon has to be afflicted (drugged moon) along with Jupiter's influence (for benefic & humane work). May be we could study some charts and draw our own conclusions. Sometimes back I had given two very similar charts where one is a doctor and the other is a life-long patient. Regards Neelam 2008/7/9 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need more tools to distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when Jupiter and Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs? Dear Sreeram ji, I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with a person with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will start believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that my theory fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has. Regards, Krishna --- On Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] venus once again... ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 1 Dear All, I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to read the two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun and learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please continue such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach us a lot. This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the results. No one could judge the profession and about marriage there were mixed results. I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the readings. The file is uploaded in the files section for reference. Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved in the two nativities: 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi Both these gentlemen are Doctors. 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed with a top hospital 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK. Marriage (not happy for both): 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from wife's side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage continues despite many problems. 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love marriage to a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems. The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and mars on 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd chart spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in marriage and the second one makes his wife suffer. Common traits: Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders, loving but carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors. If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and discussion of these issues.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Namaste Neelam ji, Few info questions on those two charts.... 1) Any details of the parent's profession ?? 2) Did both do well in their primary studies and get into medical line on their own merits, for there are combinations of money spending - could be a study abroad with high expenses..etc.. 3) Difficult to accept that 1/7 axis in both the charts are afflicted. Sun + Mercury in Lagna, in other chart same planets in 7H. Any other reasoning ? 4) Did both of them study in Delhi itself ? 5) Any info on the respective wife's property status ? With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear bhagavathi ji,I know what you mean. There are always overlaps, but we can check from other angles like lagna, moon, navamsh etc. The following differences may also be seen:For lawyers 2H of speech is always involved and for judges 9H of judiciary is involved also. As I said earlier, an afflicted moon is generally seen for the doctors. rather luminaries are important in case of doctors. There are jailors also who get into a similar mould. Come to think of it, a doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement. RegardsNeelam2008/7/9 bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan: Dear Neelamji, Thank you very much. Regarding the profession, the charts of lawyers and doctors do appear similar in most cases. I may have a bunch of charts with me. 6/12 axis for diseases and hospitals, 6/12 axis also rules courts and prisons. I have often been succesful to tell between the two professions. These charts made me think a lot. I think the position of lagna lord could help as well. Regards, bhagavathi , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhagavatiji, Krishna ji, > > You've done very well and got many points right. I didn't want to be > judgmental so I didn't make comparative statements. Also, there are > scattered correct points in most of the readings. I congratulate everyone. > > Krishna ji, I don't know what your theory about UL is. The reading about the > age difference, though in the second marriage is correct. I would appreciate > if you can share this theory with the group. > > Regarding the profession, there are different combinations that make a > doctor. As always, it is easy to do a postmortem study, but one of the most > important role is of 6/12 axis, in making a doctor as well as a patient... 6 > and 12 being diseases and hospitalisation. For a doctor it is the strong > planets and benefic influences and for a patient it is weak planets, malefic > influences, etc. Another point is that moon has to be afflicted (drugged > moon) along with Jupiter's influence (for benefic & humane work). May be we > could study some charts and draw our own conclusions. Sometimes back I had > given two very similar charts where one is a doctor and the other is a > life-long patient. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2008/7/9 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998: > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the > > profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need more tools to > > distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when Jupiter and > > Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs? > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with a person > > with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will start > > believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that my theory > > fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- On *Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07* wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Re: venus once again... > > > > Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:01 AM > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to read the > > two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun and > > learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please continue > > such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach us a lot. > > > > This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the results. No > > one could judge the profession and about marriage there were mixed results. > > I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the readings. The > > file is uploaded in the files section for reference. > > > > Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved in the > > two nativities: > > > > 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi………………….1 > > 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi…………………2 > > > > Both these gentlemen are Doctors. > > 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed with a > > top hospital > > 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK. > > > > Marriage (not happy for both): > > 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from wife's > > side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage continues > > despite many problems. > > 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love marriage to > > a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems. > > > > The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is > > afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and mars on > > 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd chart > > spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in marriage > > and the second one makes his wife suffer. > > > > Common traits: > > Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders, loving but > > carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors. > > > > If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and > > discussion of these issues. > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click here.<http://in.rd./tagline_groups_10/*http://in.promos. ..com/groups/citygroups/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Respected members, Case 1: 22th june 1958,delhi : Rahu in 5th, moon and ketu in kaama trikone and venus in 12th gives a strong libido and tendency for secret relationship. (I have observed in karka lagna, venus in 12th gave sexual relationship outside marriage) But here lagna lord in lagna (can give two marriage but respectable nature), strong sun, and strong moon in leo and vargottam jupiter in 4th house aspecting venus indicates that his marriage life will be very happy and satisfactorily. He will not be loose in nature. From children point of view their could be problem. case 2 : 27th june 1958, delhi : This chart shows all the combination required for love marriage (5,7,9,pac). But quality of marriage life is very poor compare to case 1, since moon is with rahu in 11th house and lagna lord in 10th house he could be loose in nature. Since venus is in 6th house aspected by saturn, opportunities for any external relationship will be also less in his life. The difference in both chart is that in case 1, external relationship opportunity will be there but he will refrain from them and in case 2, very less opportunities but will not mind to avail it. The main factors for opportunities is venus placement in 12th in case 1 and 6th in case 2. I dont see any possibility of divorce in both cases as 7th lord is well placed. I cannot calculate the longevity so cannot say about second marriage. Learned astrologer may correct my understanding. Thanks With warm regards Vijay Goel Jaipur. --- On Mon, 30/6/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > [ancient_indian_ astrology] venus once again... "" Monday, 30 June, 2008, 11:33 PM Dear Group, We have seen with Renuji's example that an exchange of 5L and 7L does not necessarily give love marriage. What are the factors that contribute to love marriage? With the changing scenario, even in Indian context...and love marriages becoming more of a norm than an exception, do we stick to the same parameters, or is their a need to relax them/modify them? We say venus is the planet of attraction, marriage and virility, especially in a male chart. Do you think then, venus might have a bigger role to play in relationships, than any other factor? As per classics, an affliction to venus may result in denial/delay/ unhappy marriage, multiple marriages, impotence, etc. Venus is the zodiac lord of 2H for addition to family, 7L of marriage and relationships and exaltation lord of 12H of pleasures. Venus emerges as the most important factor for marriage as well as marital happiness. How does venus behave in a chart, and in its own signs? What is its role as karaka of marriage, especially in a male chart? Does it make a qualitative difference? a quantitative difference? or both. Let us try to answer these questions and get some further insights into the venusian behaviour... These are birth details of two gentlemen: 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi Both these charts have Venus in Taurus and many other planets in same signs. What are the similarities and differences in the manifestation of results of venus in the two charts. More specifically, let us try to delineate: What could be the specific traits given by venus in these two charts ?What is the kind of marriage...love/ arranged?Other factors related to marriage...timing, quality, single/double/ multiple, etc. What is the profession of the two natives? (both are into same profession) I hope you all will enjoy doing this little exercise. I assure you, a good learning also... Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, 'Come to think of it, a doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement." Theoretically, the above is acceptable. But today most jailors are involved in passing illegal stuff underhand to the prisoners, in order to fill their own wallets, thereby doing exactly what they are not supposed to do. Hence how can you consider these two professions on similar planetary placements? blessings Renu , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear bhagavathi ji,> > I know what you mean. There are always overlaps, but we can check from other> angles like lagna, moon, navamsh etc. The following differences may also be> seen:> For lawyers 2H of speech is always involved and for judges 9H of judiciary> is involved also.> As I said earlier, an afflicted moon is generally seen for the doctors.> rather luminaries are important in case of doctors.> There are jailors also who get into a similar mould. Come to think of it, a> doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness> (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement.> > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/7/9 bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan:> > > Dear Neelamji,> >> > Thank you very much. Regarding the profession, the charts of lawyers> > and doctors do appear similar in most cases. I may have a bunch of> > charts with me. 6/12 axis for diseases and hospitals, 6/12 axis also> > rules courts and prisons. I have often been succesful to tell between> > the two professions. These charts made me think a lot. I think the> > position of lagna lord could help as well.> >> > Regards,> >> > bhagavathi> >> > <%40>,> > "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhagavatiji, Krishna ji,> > >> > > You've done very well and got many points right. I didn't want to be> > > judgmental so I didn't make comparative statements. Also, there are> > > scattered correct points in most of the readings. I congratulate> > everyone.> > >> > > Krishna ji, I don't know what your theory about UL is. The reading> > about the> > > age difference, though in the second marriage is correct. I would> > appreciate> > > if you can share this theory with the group.> > >> > > Regarding the profession, there are different combinations that> > make a> > > doctor. As always, it is easy to do a postmortem study, but one of> > the most> > > important role is of 6/12 axis, in making a doctor as well as a> > patient... 6> > > and 12 being diseases and hospitalisation. For a doctor it is the> > strong> > > planets and benefic influences and for a patient it is weak> > planets, malefic> > > influences, etc. Another point is that moon has to be afflicted> > (drugged> > > moon) along with Jupiter's influence (for benefic & humane work).> > May be we> > > could study some charts and draw our own conclusions. Sometimes> > back I had> > > given two very similar charts where one is a doctor and the other> > is a> > > life-long patient.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2008/7/9 Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@:> > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the> > > > profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need> > more tools to> > > > distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when> > Jupiter and> > > > Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs?> > > >> > > > Dear Sreeram ji,> > > >> > > > I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with> > a person> > > > with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will> > start> > > > believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that> > my theory> > > > fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > --- On *Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote:> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > > > Re: venus once again...> > > > <%40>> > > > Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:01 AM> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to> > read the> > > > two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun> > and> > > > learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please> > continue> > > > such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach> > us a lot.> > > >> > > > This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the> > results. No> > > > one could judge the profession and about marriage there were> > mixed results.> > > > I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the> > readings. The> > > > file is uploaded in the files section for reference.> > > >> > > > Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved> > in the> > > > two nativities:> > > >> > > > 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi………………….1> > > > 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi…………………2> > > >> > > > Both these gentlemen are Doctors.> > > > 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed> > with a> > > > top hospital> > > > 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK.> > > >> > > > Marriage (not happy for both):> > > > 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from> > wife's> > > > side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage> > continues> > > > despite many problems.> > > > 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love> > marriage to> > > > a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems.> > > >> > > > The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is> > > > afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and> > mars on> > > > 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd> > chart> > > > spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in> > marriage> > > > and the second one makes his wife suffer.> > > >> > > > Common traits:> > > > Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders,> > loving but> > > > carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors.> > > >> > > > If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and> > > > discussion of these issues.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click> > here.<http://in.rd./tagline_groups_10/*http://in.promos.> > .com/groups/citygroups/>> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Renu ji,This was only a passing thought... just comparing the professions as such, and what they're supposed to do. Wrong elements get into all professions and distort things. We may have many doctors also doing immoral and unethical acts. RegardsNeelam2008/7/10 renunw <renunw: Dear Neelam ji, 'Come to think of it, a doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement. " Theoretically, the above is acceptable. But today most jailors are involved in passing illegal stuff underhand to the prisoners, in order to fill their own wallets, thereby doing exactly what they are not supposed to do. Hence how can you consider these two professions on similar planetary placements? blessings Renu , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear bhagavathi ji,> > I know what you mean. There are always overlaps, but we can check from other> angles like lagna, moon, navamsh etc. The following differences may also be > seen:> For lawyers 2H of speech is always involved and for judges 9H of judiciary> is involved also.> As I said earlier, an afflicted moon is generally seen for the doctors.> rather luminaries are important in case of doctors. > There are jailors also who get into a similar mould. Come to think of it, a> doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness> (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement. > > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/7/9 bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan:> > > Dear Neelamji,> >> > Thank you very much. Regarding the profession, the charts of lawyers > > and doctors do appear similar in most cases. I may have a bunch of> > charts with me. 6/12 axis for diseases and hospitals, 6/12 axis also> > rules courts and prisons. I have often been succesful to tell between > > the two professions. These charts made me think a lot. I think the> > position of lagna lord could help as well.> >> > Regards,> >> > bhagavathi> > > > <%40>, > > " neelam gupta " > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhagavatiji, Krishna ji,> > >> > > You've done very well and got many points right. I didn't want to be > > > judgmental so I didn't make comparative statements. Also, there are> > > scattered correct points in most of the readings. I congratulate> > everyone.> > >> > > Krishna ji, I don't know what your theory about UL is. The reading > > about the> > > age difference, though in the second marriage is correct. I would> > appreciate> > > if you can share this theory with the group.> > >> > > Regarding the profession, there are different combinations that > > make a> > > doctor. As always, it is easy to do a postmortem study, but one of> > the most> > > important role is of 6/12 axis, in making a doctor as well as a> > patient... 6 > > > and 12 being diseases and hospitalisation. For a doctor it is the> > strong> > > planets and benefic influences and for a patient it is weak> > planets, malefic> > > influences, etc. Another point is that moon has to be afflicted > > (drugged> > > moon) along with Jupiter's influence (for benefic & humane work).> > May be we> > > could study some charts and draw our own conclusions. Sometimes> > back I had > > > given two very similar charts where one is a doctor and the other> > is a> > > life-long patient.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > > > > >> > >> > > 2008/7/9 Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@:> > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the > > > > profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need> > more tools to> > > > distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when> > Jupiter and > > > > Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs?> > > >> > > > Dear Sreeram ji,> > > >> > > > I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with > > a person> > > > with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will> > start> > > > believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that> > my theory > > > > fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > --- On *Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote: > > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > > > Re: venus once again...> > > > <%40> > > > > Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:01 AM> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to > > read the> > > > two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun> > and> > > > learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please> > continue > > > > such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach> > us a lot.> > > >> > > > This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the> > results. No > > > > one could judge the profession and about marriage there were> > mixed results.> > > > I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the> > readings. The > > > > file is uploaded in the files section for reference.> > > >> > > > Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved> > in the> > > > two nativities: > > > >> > > > 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi………………….1> > > > 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi…………………2> > > >> > > > Both these gentlemen are Doctors. > > > > 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed> > with a> > > > top hospital> > > > 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK.> > > > > > > > Marriage (not happy for both):> > > > 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from> > wife's> > > > side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage > > continues> > > > despite many problems.> > > > 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love> > marriage to> > > > a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems. > > > >> > > > The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is> > > > afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and> > mars on > > > > 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd> > chart> > > > spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in> > marriage> > > > and the second one makes his wife suffer. > > > >> > > > Common traits:> > > > Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders,> > loving but> > > > carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors. > > > >> > > > If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and> > > > discussion of these issues.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click> > here.<http://in.rd./tagline_groups_10/*http://in.promos. > > .com/groups/citygroups/>> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Members, Now getting on to the next chart Chart-2: Male, 27-June-1958, 20:00 hrs, New Delhi, India. 1) Balance of Dasha = Jupiter 10 yrs 7m 16 days, followed by Saturn dasha of 19 yrs. So the native has completed his education in Saturn-Mars dasha {taking age of 24 yrs as limiting point of discussion, for by then the die or mould-is-cast}. Saturn is 2HL & 3HL in 12H. Question-1: Going by the previous case { Chart-1}, if the Venus a Shukracharya the master of Sanjivini technique can give native medical science, going by the same logic, here Saturn should be giving a different profession ?? Question-2: Should we conclude that the House has given more dominance than the planet when we compare both chart ?? Question-3: Then as dasha Lord Saturn what is his effect ?? Question-4: Does the Venus aspect from 6H is so strong that the native went into medical studies ? Then applying this principle in previous Chart-1, they Why Saturn did not do the same ? Question-5: Saturn sharing navamsa with Venus in Pisces sign is telling some thing ?? The Pisces a Jupiter sign, indicate any links to medical profession ? Question-6: In both cases, Venus is aspected by Jupiter. In this case it is LL & 4HL placed in 10H. In Chart-1, it is 7HL & 10HL placed in 4H. Does it not have any influence ?? Question -7: Saturn as 3HL aspected by 6HL Venus - can it give good academic record to get admission in medical line considering Indian situation, where only 90+% can only dream off ?? Question -8: Saturn as 2HL, aspected by 11HL Venus, Saturn in 12H, does it not show any financial expense ?? My request to members is analysing 100 charts would NOT lead to anything, but try to understand where the logics went wrong, under what situation - Planet or House or Sign is playing its dominant role & know the reasons -why it so ? Now that we know the answers, let us use the fixing astrology, come out with some observations, which if others agree, then we can apply it on other blind charts that may follow.....appears - Ms. Renu from Sri Lanka & Ms. Bhagavathi Hariharan....all fair lady's have tons of questions & astro_databases to put in the group.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am re-posting the same previously posted message, for the thread used earlier was a different one, can result in search problems later. with regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Dear members,Let us continue to debate the charts posted by Ms. Neelam ji firstbefore moving to other blind charts. Let me give it a direction withfew pointers....Case -1 : Male - 22-June-1958, 05:40 hrs, Delhi1) Balance of Dasha = Ketu 4yrs 1 m 23 days, followed by Venus - 20 yrs.The native has done his major part of education before his completion ofVenus dasha i.e. 24 yrs.Question -1: Venus as 5HL & 12HL in 12H, indicates continuation ofstudy. This Venus is aspected by 8HL & 9HL Saturn from 6H. When aDasha planet is strongly aspected by a malefic planet like Saturn,placed in 6H & has strong 8H connection, can we say that the native didin his studies ?? The Saturn's dual ownership of 9H has ensured thathis continuation of studies.Question-2: Venus ownership of 5H & 12H, in kendra to 2HL Moon,indicates financial expense, for Venus is in 12H.Question-3: 11HL & 6HL Mars is aspecting the Lagna Lord & 3HL Sun.Venus is in Capricon navamsa i.e. 8H of the birth chart. showing againBoth indicate strugglesLimiting upto Dasha of Venus, which one played major factor - Sign orHouse or Planet(s) ??Would invite other members to comment on the above.......With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas , "renunw" <renunwwrote:>> Dear learned members,>> Since none of us could name the right profession in the exercise given> by Neelam ji, I feel that we should try more charts to learn to find> out the profession of a native. Hence let me give you a chart and if> anyone is ineterested ...you may try it to find out the profession of> this female native.>> August 1st 1953 @ 2.42 AM in Galle, Sri Lanka.>> blessings>> Renu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, I don't have any reason to disagree with you...wrong elements do infiltrate all professions. blessings Renu , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > > This was only a passing thought... just comparing the professions as such, > and what they're supposed to do. Wrong elements get into all professions and > distort things. We may have many doctors also doing immoral and unethical > acts. > > Regards > Neelam > > 2008/7/10 renunw <renunw: > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > 'Come to think of it, a doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and > > reform sickness (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement. " > > > > Theoretically, the above is acceptable. But today most jailors are involved > > in passing illegal stuff underhand to the prisoners, in order to fill their > > own wallets, thereby doing exactly what they are not supposed to do. Hence > > how can you consider these two professions on similar planetary placements? > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear bhagavathi ji, > > > > > > I know what you mean. There are always overlaps, but we can check from > > other > > > angles like lagna, moon, navamsh etc. The following differences may also > > be > > > seen: > > > For lawyers 2H of speech is always involved and for judges 9H of > > judiciary > > > is involved also. > > > As I said earlier, an afflicted moon is generally seen for the doctors. > > > rather luminaries are important in case of doctors. > > > There are jailors also who get into a similar mould. Come to think of it, > > a > > > doctor is very similar to a jailor. Both treat and reform sickness > > > (mental/physical) by keeping their wards in confinement. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2008/7/9 bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan@: > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much. Regarding the profession, the charts of lawyers > > > > and doctors do appear similar in most cases. I may have a bunch of > > > > charts with me. 6/12 axis for diseases and hospitals, 6/12 axis also > > > > rules courts and prisons. I have often been succesful to tell between > > > > the two professions. These charts made me think a lot. I think the > > > > position of lagna lord could help as well. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " neelam gupta " > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhagavatiji, Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > You've done very well and got many points right. I didn't want to be > > > > > judgmental so I didn't make comparative statements. Also, there are > > > > > scattered correct points in most of the readings. I congratulate > > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, I don't know what your theory about UL is. The reading > > > > about the > > > > > age difference, though in the second marriage is correct. I would > > > > appreciate > > > > > if you can share this theory with the group. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the profession, there are different combinations that > > > > make a > > > > > doctor. As always, it is easy to do a postmortem study, but one of > > > > the most > > > > > important role is of 6/12 axis, in making a doctor as well as a > > > > patient... 6 > > > > > and 12 being diseases and hospitalisation. For a doctor it is the > > > > strong > > > > > planets and benefic influences and for a patient it is weak > > > > planets, malefic > > > > > influences, etc. Another point is that moon has to be afflicted > > > > (drugged > > > > > moon) along with Jupiter's influence (for benefic & humane work). > > > > May be we > > > > > could study some charts and draw our own conclusions. Sometimes > > > > back I had > > > > > given two very similar charts where one is a doctor and the other > > > > is a > > > > > life-long patient. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/7/9 Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for revealing the details. I completely went wrong on the > > > > > > profession. But, did OK on the marriage area. I guess we need > > > > more tools to > > > > > > distinguish between legal profession and medical profession when > > > > Jupiter and > > > > > > Mars both are involved. Do you have any inputs? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was able to spot that the second person had a relationship with > > > > a person > > > > > > with high age difference using my UL concept. Hope that you will > > > > start > > > > > > believing in my theory :-) One more astrologer has confirmed that > > > > my theory > > > > > > fits all such horoscopes that astrologer has. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Wed, 9/7/08, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: venus once again... > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank and congratulate all the participants for attempting to > > > > read the > > > > > > two charts. I wish to tell everyone that as always these are fun > > > > and > > > > > > learning exercises where right or wrong is immaterial. So please > > > > continue > > > > > > such efforts without bothering about the results, as they teach > > > > us a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was not supposed to be a quiz so I am not comparing the > > > > results. No > > > > > > one could judge the profession and about marriage there were > > > > mixed results. > > > > > > I have marked the correct and incorrect points for all the > > > > readings. The > > > > > > file is uploaded in the files section for reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the results, this is how the planets seem to have behaved > > > > in the > > > > > > two nativities: > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 June 1958/5.40 hrs/Delhi………………….1 > > > > > > 27 June 1958/20.00 hrs/Delhi…………………2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Both these gentlemen are Doctors. > > > > > > 1) Better qualified, MBBS, MS, Orthopeadic Surgeon highly placed > > > > with a > > > > > > top hospital > > > > > > 2) MBBS, well settled, at present working in UK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage (not happy for both): > > > > > > 1) Arranged marriage in 1985, to a doctor. Marital discords from > > > > wife's > > > > > > side from day one. She stays off and on with him, but marriage > > > > continues > > > > > > despite many problems. > > > > > > 2) Married twice. First arranged in 1985, divorced. Second love > > > > marriage to > > > > > > a much younger girl in 1995. Marital life full of problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > The two charts are almost mirror images of each other. 1/7 axis is > > > > > > afflicted in both. There is influence of 3 separative planets and > > > > mars on > > > > > > 1/7 axis. In the first chart lagna is pidit whereas in the 2nd > > > > chart > > > > > > spouse or 7H is pidit. So the first man is suffering silently in > > > > marriage > > > > > > and the second one makes his wife suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Common traits: > > > > > > Both are good looking, generous, care for parents and elders, > > > > loving but > > > > > > carefree nature, devoted to their profession, good doctors. > > > > > > > > > > > > If required and desired, we could get into a detailed analysis and > > > > > > discussion of these issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click > > > > here.<http://in.rd./tagline_groups_10/*http://in.promos.yaho o > > > > .com/groups/citygroups/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, Let me quote from Sreeram ji's mail...before I put my question to you. 'Venus as 5HL & 12HL in 12H, indicates continuation ofstudy. " Does this indicate education abroad? If my memory serves me right, I think Sreeram ji asked this question from you earlier. Also in D-24 chart ..Venus is placed in 5H and aspected by 12HL Saturn ...[provided aspects in divisional charts are allowed]. Anyway indication of Venus in continuation of studies is supported here too...I think. blessings, Renu , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > I am re-posting the same previously posted message, for the thread used> earlier was a different one, can result in search problems later.> > with regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > Dear members,> > Let us continue to debate the charts posted by Ms. Neelam ji first> before moving to other blind charts. Let me give it a direction with> few pointers....> > Case -1 : Male - 22-June-1958, 05:40 hrs, Delhi> > 1) Balance of Dasha = Ketu 4yrs 1 m 23 days, followed by Venus - 20 yrs.> The native has done his major part of education before his completion of> Venus dasha i.e. 24 yrs.> > Question -1: Venus as 5HL & 12HL in 12H, indicates continuation of> study. This Venus is aspected by 8HL & 9HL Saturn from 6H. When a> Dasha planet is strongly aspected by a malefic planet like Saturn,> placed in 6H & has strong 8H connection, can we say that the native did> in his studies ?? The Saturn's dual ownership of 9H has ensured that> his continuation of studies.> > Question-2: Venus ownership of 5H & 12H, in kendra to 2HL Moon,> indicates financial expense, for Venus is in 12H.> > Question-3: 11HL & 6HL Mars is aspecting the Lagna Lord & 3HL Sun.> Venus is in Capricon navamsa i.e. 8H of the birth chart. showing again> Both indicate struggles> > Limiting upto Dasha of Venus, which one played major factor - Sign or> House or Planet(s) ??> > Would invite other members to comment on the above.......> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > </post?postID=sToy\> NUg8N1HkpMgSg-DMoSChdQy-CSinYLDCwzgvhSTS1Ek49dnb33fZ8iyLT3NB7GqNsRxZp2zV\> 6AuD__ELxi8LIcOfJjsFtFb2rpjv> , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear learned members,> >> > Since none of us could name the right profession in the exercise given> > by Neelam ji, I feel that we should try more charts to learn to find> > out the profession of a native. Hence let me give you a chart and if> > anyone is ineterested ...you may try it to find out the profession of> > this female native.> >> > August 1st 1953 @ 2.42 AM in Galle, Sri Lanka.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Renu ji, Sreeramji and group,The native (22.6.58) did not have link between education and abroad. In fact, the first time he went abroad was only in 2007 for a conference. He is a Delhite and got admission to Maulana Azad college and continued there till he finished his MS. Studies were at nominal expenses obviously and he was a bright student. The other doctor (27.6.58) also is a Delhite and did his MBBS from UCMS Delhi. But he did not do any PG.A little busy today... i'll also try to see why the first one didn't go abroad...as Sreeram ji rightly points out. Sreeramji's points are very thought provoking and we must try to learn how to judge the playing strategies of planets. RegardsNeelam2008/7/10 renunw <renunw: Dear Neelam ji, Let me quote from Sreeram ji's mail...before I put my question to you. 'Venus as 5HL & 12HL in 12H, indicates continuation ofstudy. " Does this indicate education abroad? If my memory serves me right, I think Sreeram ji asked this question from you earlier. Also in D-24 chart ..Venus is placed in 5H and aspected by 12HL Saturn ...[provided aspects in divisional charts are allowed]. Anyway indication of Venus in continuation of studies is supported here too...I think. blessings, Renu , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: >> > I am re-posting the same previously posted message, for the thread used> earlier was a different one, can result in search problems later.> > with regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas > > Dear members,> > Let us continue to debate the charts posted by Ms. Neelam ji first> before moving to other blind charts. Let me give it a direction with> few pointers....> > Case -1 : Male - 22-June-1958, 05:40 hrs, Delhi> > 1) Balance of Dasha = Ketu 4yrs 1 m 23 days, followed by Venus - 20 yrs.> The native has done his major part of education before his completion of > Venus dasha i.e. 24 yrs.> > Question -1: Venus as 5HL & 12HL in 12H, indicates continuation of> study. This Venus is aspected by 8HL & 9HL Saturn from 6H. When a> Dasha planet is strongly aspected by a malefic planet like Saturn, > placed in 6H & has strong 8H connection, can we say that the native did> in his studies ?? The Saturn's dual ownership of 9H has ensured that> his continuation of studies.> > Question-2: Venus ownership of 5H & 12H, in kendra to 2HL Moon, > indicates financial expense, for Venus is in 12H.> > Question-3: 11HL & 6HL Mars is aspecting the Lagna Lord & 3HL Sun.> Venus is in Capricon navamsa i.e. 8H of the birth chart. showing again > Both indicate struggles> > Limiting upto Dasha of Venus, which one played major factor - Sign or> House or Planet(s) ??> > Would invite other members to comment on the above....... > > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > </post?postID=sToy\ > NUg8N1HkpMgSg-DMoSChdQy-CSinYLDCwzgvhSTS1Ek49dnb33fZ8iyLT3NB7GqNsRxZp2zV\> 6AuD__ELxi8LIcOfJjsFtFb2rpjv> , " renunw " renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear learned members, > >> > Since none of us could name the right profession in the exercise given> > by Neelam ji, I feel that we should try more charts to learn to find> > out the profession of a native. Hence let me give you a chart and if > > anyone is ineterested ...you may try it to find out the profession of> > this female native.> >> > August 1st 1953 @ 2.42 AM in Galle, Sri Lanka.> >> > blessings > >> > Renu> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Sreeramji,I am sorry I missed this mail. These are the details: 1) Any details of the parent's profession ??22.6.58: Father Journalist in a Govt organisation, now retired. Mother uneducated housewife 27.6.58: Father civil engineer in a govt organisation, now retired. Mother educated housewife 2) Did both do well in their primary studies and get into medical line on their own merits, for there are combinations of money spending - could be a study abroad with high expenses..etc..Both were bright, got on their merit and spent negligible amounts on studies. For the first one (22.6.58), he cleared the competition in the second attempt. 3) Difficult to accept that 1/7 axis in both the charts are afflicted. Sun + Mercury in Lagna, in other chart same planets in 7H. Any other reasoning ?Yes, I thought affliction by Rahu and mars on gemini which is lagna of one and 7H of another. That is why I called them Pidit houses, or Dukhi houses was something I meant. I was not referring to a literal pidit avastha as given in classics. (madhu ji may please see this). For gemini lagna, the LL mer and house are simultaneously afflicted by separative sun and rahu (in chitra), and mars a natural, functional and here in inimical panchadha with mercury, also aspects gemini. In the other case, a similar situation prevails for the 7H/L. When we have 3 or more afflictions, the house suffers. In the second case, moon is also afflicted in R/K axis and aspected by mars from 4H. The major problem in this person's life comes from his addiction to drugs and alcohol. 4) Did both of them study in Delhi itself ?Yes 5) Any info on the respective wife's property status ?None had any property before marriage. 22.6.58: wife is greedy and one of the disputed that crops up is boys paternal property. Boy has not made any property. Wife is a doctor with delhi govt. 27.6.58: first wife left him soon after. Second one comes from an intercaste background. Might have made some property now in her hometown in Kerala. No one knows. 2008/7/9 sreeram srinivas <sreeram64: Namaste Neelam ji, Few info questions on those two charts.... 1) Any details of the parent's profession ?? 2) Did both do well in their primary studies and get into medical line on their own merits, for there are combinations of money spending - could be a study abroad with high expenses..etc.. 3) Difficult to accept that 1/7 axis in both the charts are afflicted. Sun + Mercury in Lagna, in other chart same planets in 7H. Any other reasoning ? 4) Did both of them study in Delhi itself ? 5) Any info on the respective wife's property status ? With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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