Let us blind chart :)

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Dear Chandra Hari ji,

"I think this is a running controversy in Jaimini - whether to read Karakamsaresult in Navamsa-Kundali or Rasi-Kundali?"

I would rather get this clarified by learned astrologers in this forum, including you.

As per blind chart....I too cannot understand how Thula became KKL since AK is Mercury. I wonder whether it was a typo by Pradeep ji????

blessings

Renu , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Renuji,> > Yes. But how Venus is aspecting Karakamsa and how Karakamsa can be> Tula? Moon aspects Vrshabha in Rasi. Vrsha is not aspectd by Budha in> Rasi if we are to place Karakamsa in Rasi for interpretation. I think> this is a running controversy in Jaimini - whether to read Karakamsa> result in Navamsa-Kundali or Rasi-Kundali?> > chandra hari> > > > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandr Hari ji and Pradeep ji,> >> > 'As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it> > cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa"> >> > Please correct me if I am wrong...but doesn't Budha aspect Venus , and> > vice-versa in rasi, i.e. Jaimini aspects?> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Pradeep,> > >> > > Happy to see the comments on navamsa and 5th house. But I could not> > > understand the statement like> > >> > > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus and also the statement> > that> > > Karakamsa Lagna is Tula.> > >> > > As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it> > > cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa.> > >> > > Taking Mesha as Navamsa Lagna and focussing on Navamsa, her marriage> > > must be during 14 December 1987 to 20 December 1987. I am giving the> > > shortest span that can be pinpointed.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji> > > >> > > > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or> 26> > > > hours day.> > > >> > > > 1.Looks & physical features> > > >> > > > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives> > energetic> > > > and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from> chandra> > > > lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine> > > > qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any> > > problems> > > > related to speech or some limb?> > > >> > > > 2. Personality traits and nature> > > > Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having> navamsha> > in> > > > the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.> > > >> > > > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in> the> > > > house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge> in> > > many> > > > Shasthras.> > > > 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and> > > > intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.> > > >> > > > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However> > > > through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the> > > canvas> > > > for hard work.> > > >> > > > 3. Family, parents, etc> > > >> > > > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having> > > > navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th> > lord> > > > etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th> lord> > > > debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.> > > >> > > > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through> > > > mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health> difficulties> > > can> > > > also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there> > are> > > > possibilities.> > > >> > > >> > > > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.> > > >> > > > 4. Siblings> > > >> > > > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or> 1981> > -> > > > Problem for a sibling.> > > >> > > > 5. Education> > > >> > > > Post> graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business.> > > Many> > > > degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.> > > >> > > > 6. Profession> > > >> > > > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter> > aspecting> > > > 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and> is> > > > placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th> > from> > > > moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive> towards> > > > profession and will rise very high.> > > > I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious> > > metals> > > > etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic> > > > interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great> > > > research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.> > > >> > > > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or> > > chemist> > > > as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an> > artist> > > > perfecting and oozing rasa:-).> > > >> > > > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained> > powerful> > > > dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance> > the> > > > professional potential .> > > >> > > > 7. Marriage> > > >> > > > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or> > > some> > > > difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.> > > >> > > > 8. Children> > > >> > > > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th> > > > lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and> > > > karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited> > > > progeny,if any.> > > >> > > > 9. Assets like properties etc.> > > >> > > > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional> > > > houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through> > > > inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.> > > >> > > > 10. Financial Status> > > > Problems to save.> > > >> > > > 11. Social Status> > > > High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has> attained> > > the> > > > same rashi in multiple vargas.> > > >> > > > 12. Any other peculiarity> > > > Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple> > > relationships.> > > >> > > > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning> > > > experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ,> "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will> give> > > my> > > > > understanding by tommorrow evening.> > > > >> > > > > Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the> > > > > blind chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the> > best> > > > > tools to> > > > > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and> > give> > > > > it a> > > > > > shot.> > > > > >> > > > > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji> > also> > > > > said,> > > > > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we> know> > a> > > > > person, we> > > > > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting> techniques.> > > > > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners.> Any> > > > > one person> > > > > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us> > together> > > > > can bring> > > > > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be> > the> > > > > triumph> > > > > > of astrology, the study.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra ji and Renu ji

 

Thanks a lot for pointing out this blunder.

I check karakamsha from rashi and it should be vrishabha as you have

said.

Thula was a typo.Thus my reading done w.r to karakamsha should be

ignored -

house Burning house,Rasavadi etc etc.

 

Renuji thanks for sharing the Guru related point.

 

Pradeep

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

>

> Dear Chandra Hari ji,

>

> " I think this is a running controversy in Jaimini - whether to read

> Karakamsa

> result in Navamsa-Kundali or Rasi-Kundali? "

>

> I would rather get this clarified by learned astrologers in this

forum,

> including you.

>

> As per blind chart....I too cannot understand how Thula became KKL

since

> AK is Mercury. I wonder whether it was a typo by Pradeep ji????

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > Yes. But how Venus is aspecting Karakamsa and how Karakamsa can be

> > Tula? Moon aspects Vrshabha in Rasi. Vrsha is not aspectd by

Budha in

> > Rasi if we are to place Karakamsa in Rasi for interpretation. I

think

> > this is a running controversy in Jaimini - whether to read

Karakamsa

> > result in Navamsa-Kundali or Rasi-Kundali?

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw " renunw@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chandr Hari ji and Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > 'As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha.

And

> it

> > > cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa "

> > >

> > > Please correct me if I am wrong...but doesn't Budha aspect

Venus ,

> and

> > > vice-versa in rasi, i.e. Jaimini aspects?

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Happy to see the comments on navamsa and 5th house. But I

could

> not

> > > > understand the statement like

> > > >

> > > > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus and also the

statement

> > > that

> > > > Karakamsa Lagna is Tula.

> > > >

> > > > As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha.

And

> it

> > > > cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Taking Mesha as Navamsa Lagna and focussing on Navamsa, her

> marriage

> > > > must be during 14 December 1987 to 20 December 1987. I am

giving

> the

> > > > shortest span that can be pinpointed.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a

25

> or

> > 26

> > > > > hours day.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.Looks & physical features

> > > > >

> > > > > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives

> > > energetic

> > > > > and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from

> > chandra

> > > > > lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and

> feminine

> > > > > qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach

problems,diseases.Any

> > > > problems

> > > > > related to speech or some limb?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Personality traits and nature

> > > > > Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having

> > navamsha

> > > in

> > > > > the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.

> > > > >

> > > > > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama

Venus in

> > the

> > > > > house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents &

knowledge

> > in

> > > > many

> > > > > Shasthras.

> > > > > 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and

> > > > > intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that

> easy.However

> > > > > through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha

provided

> the

> > > > canvas

> > > > > for hard work.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Family, parents, etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having

> > > > > navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars

on 4th

> > > lord

> > > > > etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in

4th,6th

> > lord

> > > > > debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but

rogesh.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains

through

> > > > > mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health

> > difficulties

> > > > can

> > > > > also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth

> there

> > > are

> > > > > possibilities.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Siblings

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother.

1978 or

> > 1981

> > > -

> > > > > Problem for a sibling.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Education

> > > > >

> > > > > Post

> > graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business.

> > > > Many

> > > > > degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. Profession

> > > > >

> > > > > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter

> > > aspecting

> > > > > 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is

chandra and

> > is

> > > > > placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect

10th

> > > from

> > > > > moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive

> > towards

> > > > > profession and will rise very high.

> > > > > I cannot pin point but Archeological

interests,antiques,precious

> > > > metals

> > > > > etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic

> > > > > interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great

> > > > > research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a

rasavadi or

> > > > chemist

> > > > > as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or

even an

> > > artist

> > > > > perfecting and oozing rasa:-).

> > > > >

> > > > > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained

> > > powerful

> > > > > dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will

> enhance

> > > the

> > > > > professional potential .

> > > > >

> > > > > 7. Marriage

> > > > >

> > > > > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a

breakage

> or

> > > > some

> > > > > difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in

1997?.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8. Children

> > > > >

> > > > > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra

with 6th

> > > > > lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from

chandra and

> > > > > karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in

> 12th.Limited

> > > > > progeny,if any.

> > > > >

> > > > > 9. Assets like properties etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal

> vehicles.Traditional

> > > > > houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through

> > > > > inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -

house.

> > > > >

> > > > > 10. Financial Status

> > > > > Problems to save.

> > > > >

> > > > > 11. Social Status

> > > > > High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has

> > attained

> > > > the

> > > > > same rashi in multiple vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > > 12. Any other peculiarity

> > > > > Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple

> > > > relationships.

> > > > >

> > > > > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this

learning

> > > > > experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I

will

> > give

> > > > my

> > > > > > understanding by tommorrow evening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " neelam

> gupta "

> > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to

attempt

> the

> > > > > > blind chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these

are the

> > > best

> > > > > > tools to

> > > > > > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come

forward

> and

> > > give

> > > > > > it a

> > > > > > > shot.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As

Sunil

> ji

> > > also

> > > > > > said,

> > > > > > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When

we

> > know

> > > a

> > > > > > person, we

> > > > > > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting

> > techniques.

> > > > > > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all

learners.

> > Any

> > > > > > one person

> > > > > > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of

us

> > > together

> > > > > > can bring

> > > > > > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it

will

> be

> > > the

> > > > > > triumph

> > > > > > > of astrology, the study.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

some more arrows shot in the wild....(aim has to come with greater

knowledge)

 

regarding profession, is there a connection with fine arts? music? a

structured gharana? saturn exalted in D-10 with mercury...Mercury is

AMK too in an exchange (charakaraka) with moon....again

voice...public communication....singing????? Vargottama Venus in 5th

house of higher education in D-1....Mercury in the house of

communication and Moon in the house of gains....again associated

with learning of fine arts/music....and earning money, public

recognition thru that? Sun and moon together in d-10 in 5th...a

royal gharana?...Venus in 4th and Saturn and MErcry in 10th....and

1st house being Capricorn with exalted Mars...so is there litigation

associated with profession?

 

Confused thinking about profession? that's exactly what this

is....groping....groping for the tail of the cat in a dark

room....and the cat too is black...till u throw light on it when u

let it out of the bag.

 

on a wild, wild guess is this the chart of Shobha Mudgal?

 

 

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> i think that is the secret wish we all have....to land among the

> stars. but shooting arrows is something which may not get us

there,

> don't u think so? i find astrology fascinating because it makes us

> concious of the stars within and without and all around...

>

> but i will watch for the results when u let the cat out.....

>

> love,

> vinita

>

> PS

> shooting some wild arrows, what fascinated me abt. the chart was

its

> retro, vargottama Venus which is in the 12th House of Navamsa.

There

> are certainly marriage issues / separation....

>

>

>

> , " anirudh_us "

> <anirudh_us@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ms Neelam,

> > Read urs post.

> > " Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

> stars….

> > good quotation "

> > Good line.

> >

> > Anirudh

> >

> > , " neelam gupta "

> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear group,

> > >

> > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more

responses

> > coming up?

> > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they

> coming

> > out of

> > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.

> > >

> > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I

> thought

> > your

> > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and

> principles.

> > We're

> > > waiting….

> > >

> > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not

complete

> yet…

> > Pradeep

> > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot

> her

> > arrows….

> > >

> > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we

have

> our

> > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see

> whether

> > they

> > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come

> forward

> > and

> > > reveal your hidden tenets.

> > >

> > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh

> ji,

> > will you

> > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…

> > >

> > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

> stars….

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,Namaste,....groping for the tail of the cat in a dark room....I am reminded of a party game.... blindfolded we're supposed to draw the tail for the tail-less cat. Remember the tail used to stick out from everywhere except where it should be....

But I am sure some learned members must be having the 'chakshus' of jyotish gyan through which they'll catch the cat! There is a lot of knowledge and wisdom flowing in with all the fun and excitement...

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu Chill ji, I second the wishes of Sunil ji. Keep it up - and the rewarding satisfaction will be there for you, whether the prediction goes right or wrong.Love and Regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > hare rama krishna> > dear chandu ji> > > > I apreciate ur trial and answering of the blind chart .Even though the> real results madam neelamjis answer will be showing us the reality ,i> must congraturlate u and ur attitude ,where as many 100s of gr8> astrologers in this forum are sleeping or pretent to be sleeping > novices like u are our guiding lites .Only this grp has maximum number> of real astrologers as memebrs .But students like u are showing us the> way .As u answered in true spirit of a seeker of this devine knowledge> .our faults can be corrected always .> > > > keep it up and all the best ,now i can see the lite ie jyothish in u .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , "Chandu2chill"> nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam Ji and All,> >> > Pranam,> >> > This is my first attempt to read the blind chart and put forth my> > understanding and analysis beofre the all respected and learned> > Gurujan here.> >> > Kindly provide me all your insights and do let me know my short falls> > and flaws in my reading. I am open for correction and for any> > constructive feedback from you all!> >> > Here it goes> >> > D-1 Lagna: Sagg, Moola Nakshatra> > D-9 Lagna Taurus> > D-10 Lagna Capricorn> > And I also looked into other Varga charts in line with D1 and D9> >> > The native born on 4th April 1961 with Sagg rising Moon in Vishaka> > Nak 1st pada lorded by Jupiter and on the Tithi of Krishna Tritiya> > Mars) A Lucky birth for the parents. Major Positive changes and even> > a change of residence for the entire family is indicated. But the> > native feels herself as an ill luck lady> >> > About the Native:> >> > 1. Looks & physical features> >> > Average Height may be exactly 5Ft (without Heels:-)above average look> > but definatly not like Aishwarya Rai! Boyish and little bulky body> > with wheatish complexion> >> > Though LL Jup is debilitated, is in 2nd (earthy sign) in Uttarashada> > indicates my above observation and Sat's association with LL shall> > make the native to take care of the look and she may be doing> > physical exercises as well?along with Yoga/Meditation. Not much> > inclined towards spending money on maintaining her look. Good dress> > sense. Not spendthrift though she can> >> > 2.Personality traits and nature> >> > A very sweet and firm in talking, but sometimes aggressiveness in> > speech. Mars aspect on Sat and LL. Mars in constellation of Ve> > Nakshatra and VeR positioned in Aries can give very aggressive speech> > some time shoot straight even if it hurts others; like when you talk> > on any subject expressing your views freely, uttering only the truth.> >> > Note: Mercury natural karaka for speech who is also her AK positioned> > in Jupiter's Nakshatra, Probably in my view this is the single most> > reason she might have turned to a public service/speaker or in mass> > media.> >> > 3.Family, parents, etc> >> > Born in well to do family father might have worked in Govt or public> > sector domain during India's Pre-independence era> >> > 4.Siblings> >> > Possibility of ONLY ONE younger brother and he shall be in> > Communication or Power related industry. Well settled> >> > 5. Education> >> > Chart shows the possibilities of becoming a Doctor (Medical) and the> > native started studying medical science, but i doubt she's has ever> > been able to complete and practice same. Break in education is> > indicated possibly on account of early love?marriage.(Age 21/22 Yrs)> > In my opinion native is in completely in different field then what> > she's accomplished academically.> >> > 6. Profession> >> > Singer> >> > 7. Marriage> >> > Love marriage but not free from troubles and difference of opinion on> > a mental plane with the partner. And 2nd most important factor> > influencing her CHANGE in profession> >> > 8. Children> >> > Only one male progeny, Twins are also not ruled-out> >> > I am just providing with my above observations without much> > Astrological pointers (though I made but being a student waiting for> > the results and not posting just bit of hesitant to mention at this> > point of time here. like to see i am anywhere near to the Facts of> > the native in my analysis) I shall be able to provide any further> > reasoning of my above analysis if it is found to be correct or nearer> > to the facts.> >> > Thanks and Regards> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> > P.S: Presence of UL and AL in same house (3H Aquarius) shows Not much> > Karmic debts and may be an indication of the soul is on final journey> > i.e. MOKSHA again VeR in Ketu's Nakshatra, Vargottama and is in 12H> > in Navamsa confirming this.> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Dear group,> > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses> > coming up? Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't> > they coming out of their hidings to share their knowledge with all of> > us.And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I> > thought your analysis will bring forth some special techniques and> > principles. We're waiting?. Even Sreenadhji's list of expected> > participants is not complete yet?Pradeep ji please send your> > analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her arrows?. I know many> of> > us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our time-tested> > theories and dictums?why not apply them and see whether they pass> one> > more test?we must dare! So all of you please come forward and> reveal> > your hidden tenets.> > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji,> > will you please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat> > out?> >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> stars?.> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

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Dear Neelam ji,==>> Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji?<== I don't know - but still hope that some more detailed predictions will come up. Srinivas ji (even though not a real astrologer, but a hobbyist) is busy with his trip to India and back and that is why we are missing him now. Sunil ji already participated; Madhu ji, Arjun ji and Vijaya Narasimha ji is yet to participate i think; Goel too is yet to present his reading. May be some of them are very busy with their day to day work - and may come up with the reading if time permits, I believe. Let us keep 10th Saturday as the dead line. Just my suggestion, but as you are the man in charge, the guiding moderator, for this exercise - publish the details any time you feel as right, Today, tomorrow, day after tomorrow, Saturday, or after. I will try to give a modified and a bit more detailed reading as the time permits in another mail tomorrow. Let us hope that others may also come up with more readings in the mean time.==>> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars?.<== A good quote. Shoot for the Moon - but if we miss, the bullets always land on earth, making us more humble; informing us about our limitations and ignorance. "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars" - Are we the bullets or separate from them? The quote assumes that we ourselves and bullets are the same; we and our opinions are the same. It is our aim/opinion is that points to the Moon, and not us. It is well and good if we can imagine ourselves as arrows; ourselves as bullets, traveling towards the Moon - with an urge to fulfill/achieve the aim. Then certainly whether we miss or not we will land among the stars - because the self that flies with the power/fuel of a dream - will never get affected by gravitation; it is weightless; and is guided by the divine; Where ever it lands a star takes birth. But if in Moon - the aim realized and moon light results for all; and then you are the teacher, the guide, the bodhisattva! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear group,> > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses coming up?> Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming out of> their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought your> analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles. We're> waiting?.> > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete yet?Pradeep> ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her arrows?.> > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our> time-tested theories and dictums?why not apply them and see whether they> pass one more test?we must dare! So all of you please come forward and> reveal your hidden tenets.> > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji, will you> please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out?> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars?.> > Regards> > Neelam>

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Dear Sreenadh ji and others,Thank you Sreenadh ji for the beautiful explanation of a simple statement. .....good

if we can imagine ourselves as arrows; ourselves as bullets, traveling

towards the Moon - with an urge to fulfill/achieve the aim. Then

certainly whether we miss or not we will land among the stars - because

the self that flies with the power/fuel of a dream - will never get

affected by gravitation; it is weightless; and is guided by the

divine...Genius is not the one who creates something, it is one who beholds and sees the beauty in the creation... seems true for every creation on this earth...

Regarding the blind chart reading, so far we've got 15 readings. These are given below in the alphabetic order. If I have missed out on any post, please let me know.

1. Aditya 2. Bob (caz2r92)

3. Chandra Hari 4. Chandu Chill

5. 6. Krishnamurthy Seetharama

7. Madhu Nair 8. nameisego

9. Renu 10. Souvik Dutta

11. Sreenadh 12. Sreeram Srinivas

13. Sunil Nair 14. Vijaydas Pradeep

15. Vinita

As suggested by Sreenadh ji, let's keep Saturday, 10th May as the day for results. In the meantime we can have more specific readings by the learned members. When we come to issues like ayanamsha, it is the accuracy and precision regarding the event and its timing which become most important. For now we can try to be accurate and specific and once the happening is confirmed, we may probe for precise timing...

All the bestRegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelam ji, Sorry for the wrong statement given by me - Madhu ji and Vinita ji has already participated in the exersise. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Neelam ji,==>> Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji?<== I don't know - but still hope that some more detailed predictions will come up. Srinivas ji (even though not a real astrologer, but a hobbyist) is busy with his trip to India and back and that is why we are missing him now. Sunil ji already participated; Madhu ji, Arjun ji and Vijaya Narasimha ji is yet to participate i think; Goel too is yet to present his reading. May be some of them are very busy with their day to day work - and may come up with the reading if time permits, I believe. Let us keep 10th Saturday as the dead line. Just my suggestion, but as you are the man in charge, the guiding moderator, for this exercise - publish the details any time you feel as right, Today, tomorrow, day after tomorrow, Saturday, or after. I will try to give a modified and a bit more detailed reading as the time permits in another mail tomorrow. Let us hope that others may also come up with more readings in the mean time.==>> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars?.<== A good quote. Shoot for the Moon - but if we miss, the bullets always land on earth, making us more humble; informing us about our limitations and ignorance. "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars" - Are we the bullets or separate from them? The quote assumes that we ourselves and bullets are the same; we and our opinions are the same. It is our aim/opinion is that points to the Moon, and not us. It is well and good if we can imagine ourselves as arrows; ourselves as bullets, traveling towards the Moon - with an urge to fulfill/achieve the aim. Then certainly whether we miss or not we will land among the stars - because the self that flies with the power/fuel of a dream - will never get affected by gravitation; it is weightless; and is guided by the divine; Where ever it lands a star takes birth. But if in Moon - the aim realized and moon light results for all; and then you are the teacher, the guide, the bodhisattva! Love and regards,Sreenadh> , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear group,> >> > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses coming> up?> > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming out> of> > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> >> > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought> your> > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.> We're> > waiting?.> >> > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete> yet?Pradeep> > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her> arrows?.> >> > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our> > time-tested theories and dictums?why not apply them and see whether> they> > pass one more test?we must dare! So all of you please come forward and> > reveal your hidden tenets.> >> > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji, will> you> > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out?> >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars?.> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

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Dear All,I am sorry I missed out K Gopu ji. Pls. let me know if anyone is still missed out. So there are 16 participants. Now the new list is:

1. aditya7272

2. caz2r92 — Bob 3. Chandra Hari

4. Chandu2Chill 5.

6. K. Gopu 7. Krishnamurthy Seetharama

8. Madhu Nair 9. nameisego

10. Renu 11. Souvik Dutta

12. Sreenadh 13. Sreeram Srinivas

14. Sunil Nair

15. Vijaydas Pradeep 16. VinitaNeelam

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Dear Neelam ji,==>Genius is not the one who creates something, it is one who beholds and sees the beauty in the creation... <== What a beautiful quote! True! Well said! It is the reason why I love Osho - or any enlightened soul. They beholds and sees the beauty in creation, in small things, but new light! Then we feel... We are one with the rhythm! May be it is the time when we start dancing....swinging....like a bamboo in mild wind..... Let us meditate...... subject irrelevant...any thing come in hand is a tool to evolve you.... every path is of spirituality.... life divine.... astrology is the path of spirituality... wisdom creates satisfaction, fulfillment.... astrology is the path of wisdom....may be not of knowledge...... it is the path that asks us to behold the truth.....not to dissect it...may be it is the tool that asks us to feel the chart as a whole using the simple techniques...and not the details with absolute accuracy..... Let us try to feel the chart..... but are good enough? If not why worry? Let us dedicate ourselves....One day we all would be enough evolved..... to see the unknown....whether the past or future - but then may be we may not need it...... Love,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji and others,> > Thank you Sreenadh ji for the beautiful explanation of a simple statement.> > .....good if we can imagine ourselves as arrows; ourselves as bullets,> traveling towards the Moon - with an urge to fulfill/achieve the aim. Then> certainly whether we miss or not we will land among the stars - because the> self that flies with the power/fuel of a dream - will never get affected by> gravitation; it is weightless; and is guided by the divine...> > Genius is not the one who creates something, it is one who beholds and sees> the beauty in the creation... seems true for every creation on this> earth...> > Regarding the blind chart reading, so far we've got 15 readings. These are> given below in the alphabetic order. If I have missed out on any post,> please let me know.> > 1. Aditya> > 2. Bob (caz2r92)> > 3. Chandra Hari> > 4. Chandu Chill> > 5. > > 6. Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > 7. Madhu Nair> > 8. nameisego> > 9. Renu> > 10. Souvik Dutta> > 11. Sreenadh> > 12. Sreeram Srinivas> > 13. Sunil Nair> > 14. Vijaydas Pradeep> > 15. Vinita> > As suggested by Sreenadh ji, let's keep Saturday, 10th May as the day for> results. In the meantime we can have more specific readings by the learned> members. When we come to issues like ayanamsha, it is the accuracy and> precision regarding the event and its timing which become most important.> For now we can try to be accurate and specific and once the happening is> confirmed, we may probe for precise timing...> > All the best> > Regards> > Neelam>

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dear Neelamji,

thank u. even if u had missed i will not take it

otherwise. I will be happy to note if my analysis is

nearer to the results u will be announcing. It is a

great opportunity to learn.

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends,

 

I have very limited knowledge about astrology. However I am trying to

decipher the chart with my own understanding in this blind chart analysis.

 

The attempt is not backed by any systematic analysis or

Classics and, if felt so by Moderator, this piece may be

rejected at once.

 

In the worst case, this may even provide some comic relief to everybody.

 

 

The chart is tried using C Hari ayanamsha

 

The Natal Chart :

 

The lagna is Sagittarius .. a dual sign. All the Kendra-s are obviously

a dual sign … indicating indecisive-ness and duality in approach

in those areas. The duality should be more evident in 4H and 7H.

The 7H has Mars may lead to prompt action and regret in leisure …

 

Lagna lord (LL) has gone to 2H .. indicating stronger 2H.

Also Saturn here in his own house may give agricultural property

... old dilapidated ancestral houses. Saturn is also 3rd lord,

sitting in 2H .. may mean cousins . joint properties etc.

 

Among lagna and Moon, as pointed out by Sreenadh-ji,

Moon is stronger. However, I am taking this (2H , where lagna

lord resides) is an alternate lagna. (This is something which

I was told by a Jyotishi…can not comment further).

 

 

Looks & physical features

Then, appearance will be .. (as Jup .. short, plumb and fair,

Saturn.. lean, angular, airy and 8th aspect of Mars ..

thin waist, medium height,, lean muscle)….

 

A lean, thin physique, with small waist, coarse hair (plenty of it),

not very beautiful .. but attractive in someways.. may look matured

/ adult look from some angle. The jaw line is farm and angular.

 

 

Personality traits and nature

For this, I am looking into lagna, rashi (moon sign),

5H, Al and trying to synthesize.

Lagna is vacant .. weak .. may indicate lack of inherent strength ..

being carried away by influences and trends. As LL is with Saturn,

may vacillate between Jup (wisdom, hopefull), Saturn (analytical mood,

gloom), and mars aspect may give sudden impetus for action.

The moon is in Libra .. (11H).. may give liking for staying in cities etc

... The 5H has retro Ve … Venusian qualities .. ‘Thoda hatke’

a bit different outlook about likings / dresses.

The Arudha lagna is in 3H … having Mercury and Ketu in Aqua …

she will appear as sharp, mysterious and quick witted and quick retort too.

 

Family, parents, etc

Family – Probably a joint family as outlined earlier. Father in 4H …

strong influence in studies. 9H affected by Rahu… may show

early demise of Father. Mother is friendly .. and some income from

maternal properties (11H Moon) … may be from shares etc (in Libra).

Siblings

A mixed bag. Mercury in 3H . younger brothers. Ketu ..

someone adopted / being considered as younger brother ?

Education + Profession

Very difficult for me to tell. Sun in 4H will give enough knowledge.

So will Jup in 2nd house. But in which direction .. I don’t know.

My guess is something related to either finance (3H merc+ketu and Mo .

.. foreign finance in 11H from lagna and 10H from alternate lagna)

or may be something related to fashion designing.

Marriage

I will try it from navamsha and UL as well. The rashi chart shows

Mars in 7H .. a celebate planet. May lead to problems due to

hot temper / aggressions etc. The UL and AL falls together …

indicating Karmic bondage is less. Ketu is supposed to be

good for marriage angle, after 43 years of age. May show

some separation too. The 2H to UL is Sun … may create trouble (kroor)

... but will try to maintain it as Sun is satvik. The 7H from UL is Rahu…

some outsider influence opposing the marriage.

Whether second marriage … don’t know.

Children

Don’t know

Assets like properties etc.

Few agricultural income … Saturn in 2H will not give ample income.

Some maternal properties too. Conveyance . yes..

probably govt ones (Sun)… or may be self acquired ones

Financial Status..

Don’t know. Appears to be okay.

Social Status / Any other peculiarity

Have not tried

Comments : may have shifted residence between 1995 –1998

(Merc –Merc period).

 

'Hope this is okay.

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Neelamji,

I am eagerly waiting for the results. When will you let the cat out of the bag????

Thank you,

.

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > I am sorry I missed out K Gopu ji. Pls. let me know if anyone is still> missed out. So there are 16 participants. Now the new list is:> > 1. aditya7272> > 2. caz2r92 — Bob> > 3. Chandra Hari> > 4. Chandu2Chill> > 5. > > 6. K. Gopu> > 7. Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > 8. Madhu Nair> > 9. nameisego> > 10. Renu> > 11. Souvik Dutta> > 12. Sreenadh> > 13. Sreeram Srinivas> > 14. Sunil Nair> > 15. Vijaydas Pradeep> > 16. Vinita> Neelam>

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Neelam ji,

My take on blind chart (Female: 4 April 1961/ 00.17 hrs /Baroda)

1. Dhanu lagna means native is god fearing and religious and

spritual. Having some interest in occult

2. Native should be energetic, irrepressible(meaning it is

difficult to suppress her through force). She should have wheatish

or redish complexion. She should be courageous also. All due to Ma

aspect on lagna.

3. She should be in habit of finishing her work quickly due to

effect of Ma on 10H.

4. Ma is in maran karaka stahana, which is 5HL. 5H is having Ve

and aspect of moon. This means she should be having only daughters,

no son. Beside her children both or one of them might have some

disease.

5. 2HL is with LL in 2H, which is house of resource, which means

ample resources in terms of money. She should have ancestral

property. She should be conventional in her approach.

6. Her lagna lord i debilitated but debility is cancelled due

its being in its own sign in navamsa. But during Ju MD, she should

have suffered from disease.

7. At present, she is passing through adhakesha MD(which is Me)

This period which started from 1994 is bad period.

8. She might be teacher in Government institution or associated

with government in any way. Either teaching science or engineering or

doing R & D.

9. Her husband sould be intelligent and satwik person. He should

be very capable and known in his field of work.

10. Her father might have been in field of medicine.

11. She might have average primary education but she should have

done well in graduation.

I am sorry above is not very logically sequenced, but whatever i

could understand, I wrote.

 

Regards,

Anirudh

 

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Let's start then, here's the native:

>

> Female: 4 April 1961/ 00.17 hrs /Baroda

>

> Lets make it a freestyle exercise….use any technique, any method…

but you should be able to explain your observations logically.

>

> Just repeating again, in case anyone has missed it:

>

> The chart may or may not be of a famous person, it is genuine

and identifiable.

> The time and details of birth are absolutely correct.

> It is somebody whose life details are known to me and I can

vouch for the correctness of events and their dates.

> I'll be able to answer all queries about the findings in the

chart.

> We are trying to delineate the following points:

>

> Looks & physical features

> Personality traits and nature

> Family, parents, etc

> Siblings

> Education

> Profession

> Marriage

> Children

> Assets like properties etc.

> Financial Status

> Social Status

> Any other peculiarity

> All the best and have fun!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Gaurav,Probably you've missed an earlier mail. Results will be declared on Saturday,10th of May.Till I let the lady out of the bag.... suspense prevails. RegardsNeelam

2008/5/6 <gaurav.ghosh:

 

 

 

 

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Dear Neelamji,

I am eagerly waiting for the results. When will you let the cat out of the bag????

Thank you,

.

 

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:>

> Dear All,> > I am sorry I missed out K Gopu ji. Pls. let me know if anyone is still> missed out. So there are 16 participants. Now the new list is:>

> 1. aditya7272> > 2. caz2r92 — Bob> > 3. Chandra Hari> > 4. Chandu2Chill> > 5. > > 6. K. Gopu> > 7. Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > 8. Madhu Nair> > 9. nameisego> > 10. Renu> > 11. Souvik Dutta> > 12. Sreenadh> > 13. Sreeram Srinivas> > 14. Sunil Nair

> > 15. Vijaydas Pradeep> > 16. Vinita> Neelam>

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Dear All,Now we have total 18 attempts at the blind chart reading. This is the list:

1. Aditya7272 2. Anirudh

3. caz2r92 — Bob 4. Chakravarty

5. Chandra Hari 6. Chandu2Chill

7. 8. K. Gopu

9. Krishnamurthy Seetharama 10. Madhu Nair

11. nameisego 12. Renu

13. Souvik Dutta 14. Sreenadh

15. Sreeram Srinivas 16. Sunil Nair

17. Vijaydas Pradeep 18. Vinita

RegardsNeelam

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Dear All, Here is my humble attempt at the blind chart. 1.The native is average in height with graceful looks but slightly plumpy. She is God fearing and strictler for truth. Reason: Sagittarius ascendant and Tula rashi. Nakshatra Vishakha ruled by Jupiter.2. She will have a long life. I would say Deergha Aayush. Reason:i. 8th house lord Moon placed in 11th house, the house of gains aspected by Venus, the lord of the 11th house. ii. 8th house is aspected by Saturn as well as Guru which is neechbhang and lagnesh. 3. She has a happy married life. Reason: i. She is Mangalik. Mangal is weak as it is in its enemy's house Gemini ruled by Mercury. Mangal is also in the nakshatra of Punarvasu ruled by Guru. ii. Venus is in the 7th house from Moon and in the 5th house of

love and affection. iii. In navamsa chart Mangal and Shukra are in the 12th house. 4. She is well educated and must be good in mathematics. Reason i. Her 5th house has Venus a natural benefic. ii. 5th house lord Mars is in an intellectual sign Gemini.iii. 5th house lord Mars is swagrahi in navamsa chartt and is along with Venus and Moon. Moon aspects the 5th house in lagna chart. iv. Vidya Karaka Guru is neech bhang in lagna chart and swagrahi in Navamsa chart. It is along with Shani which is the 5th lord from Moon and is swagrahi. The combination of Guru and Shani gives good mathematical brain an observation. 5. She has more sisters than brothers. Also she has more daughters than son. Reason. i.Third house having Mercury and Ketu and 3rd house lord being Saturn. ii. Venus in the 5th house aspected by Moon. iii. 5th house from Moon having Mercury and Ketu. 5th house lord from Moon being Saturn.

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Dear Neelam ji, I couldn't find time to elaborate on the intial reading I gave and post it here. (I was busy with the work and on weekend was on tour at Nainital and some other places). So pls don't wait anymore for my detailed reading - please proceed by posting the results. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Now we have total 18 attempts at the blind chart reading. This is the list:> > 1. Aditya7272> > 2. Anirudh> > 3. caz2r92 ? Bob> > 4. Chakravarty> > 5. Chandra Hari> > 6. Chandu2Chill> > 7. > > 8. K. Gopu> > 9. Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > 10. Madhu Nair> > 11. nameisego> > 12. Renu> > 13. Souvik Dutta> > 14. Sreenadh> > 15. Sreeram Srinivas> > 16. Sunil Nair> > 17. Vijaydas Pradeep> > 18. Vinita> > Regards> Neelam>