Let us blind chart :)

May 1, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear chandu ji

we never declare it as a female chart or nor try to find out which gender, which is time consuming ,Its the neelam ji who told us that this chart belongs to a lady .other wise it would hav been more difficult and then the blind chart discussions will be total firy in nautre .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> > Dear All,> > D-1 Lagna Sagittarius D-9 Lagna Taurus> > I have a strong feeling that, the chart belongs to MALE native but > wondering how all Gurus here DECLARED it as a female chart i may be > wrong in my 1st attempt itself:-( hence i am holding back my own > analysis and waiting for Results from Neelam Ji to correct myslef. > > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > , "chandra_hari18" > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear friends,> > > > Essence of Jyotisha is timing. Everyone is mix of good and bad, > pleasant> > and arrogant, cool and angry... Most people get married and have 1-2> > siblings and produce 1-2 kids. Like Linda Goodman, angrezi can be> > written across pages. Jyotisha means judging to 100% and making a> > forecast.> > > > Here many people said - siblings will be there. When a younger > brother> > was born to her? 3rd house is male with eunuch Mercury and so I am > to> > conclude a younger brother. When he might have taken birth? If I say> > that the native has one younger brother, I must be able to spell > out the> > period of his birth. Otherwise, how did I judge that she will have a> > brother?> > > > July 1965 + 10 months or 1 year, if a younger brother is born to > her,> > then my analysis of a younger brother is fine. Otherwise i.e. > without> > the time, I will be throwing stones onto the mango tree like a > bind...> > may hit or miss...> > > > If someone says that parents have negative impact because of the > chart,> > how the same has been identified? If someone has identified a > planetary> > factor as cause of evil to parents, then speak as to when that evil > will> > manifest.> > > > No wonder if she is married in 1984 during Sani_Venus when Guru> > transited Dhanu and Budha joined that Guru in December 1983/look for> > Guru-Budha conjn in Dhanu /or mutually aspected in June-July 1984.> > > > Why we don't use such principles to predict marriage?> > > > Why this girl cannot get married at the age of 24?> > > > Unless she had some academic pursuits that delayed the marriage, she> > would have got married quite early and to me even 13 July 1982 + few> > months is a likely period of marriage if she is not into academic> > pursuits/professional courses.> > > > What about her career? All are silent. When she may have joined a > job?> > Can't we decide from a chart? No speculations on such important > point.> > At 26 by simple transit, Jupiter will move over Sun and will aspect > her> > 10th. No body is seeing her entry into a job with Sani_Sun bhukti> > (21.10.1986 beginning for the ayanamsa I use).> > > > None has predicted a child in Sani_Mars? What prevents her from > having a> > child in Mars bhukti of 5th lord? 4 May 1989 + 10 months or 1 year?> > > > I hope for some discussion as to what makes people withdraw from a > dare> > devil discussion... Why the plain facts are not being told? Fear of> > going wrong? Who cares - one is right or wrong? 1000 times > astrologers> > fail and others too.> > > > Without dates and specific events, any horoscope discussion on Linda> > Goodman style is meaningless.> > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the > blind> > chart.> > >> > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best> > tools to> > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and > give it> > a> > > shot.> > >> > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also> > said,> > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a> > person, we> > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.> > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any > one> > person> > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us > together can> > bring> > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the> > triumph> > > of astrology, the study.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> >>

May 1, 2008

Dear ,

We have to wait and watch.

I saw your webpage and happy to see that a 23 year old young boy into a

serious study of astrology in the name of Lord Vishnu and also blessings

of Lakshmi.

23rd August, 1985 at 20:01 hours at Kolkata. Great chart with Meena

Lagna, Moon_Mars exchange that showers the blessings of Lakshmi by the

grace of Guru and a sound Viparita Rajayoga.

Meena Lagna gives lot of imagination which when handled properly leads

to grace. With neecha Guru there are equal chances to rise as well as

fall from grace. Sun in the 6th is good but along with Sani and Ketu in

the 8th, I am doubtful of the efficacy of worshipping Vishnu in the long

run.

Times to come shall take you along the Sakta tradition and success

formula for you is worship of Chandika. Career prospects are decided by

Mars who is debiliated in Rasi but in exchange. Try to be " Siddha

mantrah " instead of keeping focus on Lakshmi at the age of 23.

Remember the Great Mother at Kalighat. Otherwise, we have to wait and

watch as to how the planets react to commercialization of Jyotisha

without being respectful to them.

chandra hari

, " "

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Shree Chandra Hari,

> Lets wait & watch the results frm Shree Neelamji.

> Thank you,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Can she look younger than her age?

> >

> > Lagna_pati is joining Sani, the old man in old man's house. She

> cannot

> > be that young looking even though she may be graceful. Saturnian

> shadow

> > must be there in her eyes and face. Hair turned gray - may be

> doing some

> > make up now.

> >

> > She had a phase in her life when she neglected herself and disliked

> > artificial things like dyeing etc.

> >

> > Of course, Dhanu can give athletic frame. Slim owing to Sani,

> gaining

> > fat and weight only in later years.

> >

> > She may be having curly hair, attractive eye brows and beautiful

> > cheeks...

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > ,

> > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam,

> > > Pls find my readings below & lemme know my faults. I will wait

> for

> > your feedback

> > >

> > > Looks & physical features

> > >

> > > She looks pretty younger than her age---mars in 7th house,

> aspects

> > Lagna.

> > >

> > > She is beautiful – born in Tauras amsa

> > >

> > > She has good structure, like a male – Lagna & Moon signs are

odd

> > >

> > > Her complexion is fair/whitish – Moon is in Mars' Amsa

> > >

> > > Personality traits and nature

> > >

> > > She is rash attimes with her speech & behaviour – Lagna

aspected

> > by Mars, also aspects the 2nd house from Lagna, Saturn is also

> there in

> > 2nd house.

> > >

> > > She is intelligent – Mercury AK, Mercury in Navamsha Lagna.

> > >

> > > She is authoritative – Jupiter in Sun's Nakshatra

> > >

> > > She is a good speaker – Jupiter in 2nd house from Lagna. She

can

> > be interested in Astrology.

> > >

> > > Family, parents, etc

> > >

> > > Father's health condition is not good--- Sun is in 4th house,

> > which happens to be 8th house from 9th house. 9th House falls in

> > Rahu-Ketu axis. Again if we take 10th house as house for Father,

> > Mercury, 10th lord is in 6th from 10th house & falls in Rahu-Ketu

> axis-

> > which is not auspicious. Also Sun loses digbala. (I guess native's

> > father has passed away during the Major period of Mercury &

> subperiod of

> > Venus/ Sun).

> > >

> > > Mother's health is somewhat stable with some health complaints of

> > windy diseases like Arthritis, gastric etc. The period between

> 2003-2004

> > was not good for mother --- 4th lord Jupiter is with Saturn in 11th

> > house. Debility of Jupiter is cancelled. 2003-2004 was the period

> of

> > Mercury(7th lord) & Mars (2nd lord).

> > >

> > > Siblings

> > >

> > > The native has got sister's before her & there is also a brother

> > after her ----Moon & Venus aspects each other. Mercury is there in

> 3rd

> > from Lagna.

> > >

> > > Education

> > >

> > > Education has been good, with Good achievements—5th lord in

7th

> > house, 5th lord in Jupiter's Nakshatra. There were some disruptions

> > as Moon aspects the retro Venus in 5th. 5th lord frm Lagna is in

> own

> > Navamsha, with venus & moon---seems that she must have been a

> student of

> > Chemistry.

> > >

> > > Profession

> > >

> > > She is a professor of some govt college or in good position as a

> > manager in govt. firm & is related to chemicals – 10th lord frm

> moon

> > is in Mars's amsa with Moon( dealing with liquids) & positon of

> > Venus(college), aspect of Saturn (service). Mars happens to be

> > Amatyakarak, so good position.

> > >

> > > Career has been going good in Saturn Dasa – Saturn is exalted

in

> > 10th frm Dasamsa Lagna, again Saturn happens to be the D-10 Lagna

> lord.

> > >

> > > The present situation regarding career is not going good – Its

> now

> > Me-Jup. Jupiter is in 12th frm Dasamsa Lagna & in 3rd frm Mercury-

> > Dasapati.

> > >

> > > Marriage

> > >

> > > The house of marriage is not – 7th lord in 3rd house in

Rahu-Ketu

> > axis, possibility of separation.

> > >

> > > Significator & Darakarak Venus aspected by Moon, 8th lord ---

> > Disruptions in alliance. May not have been supported by family.

> > >

> > > 7th lord frm Navamsha Lagna in 12th house --- Not good &

> inauspicious.

> > >

> > > Loss of Husband – Venus in 8th frm D-8 Lagna.

> > >

> > > Marriage 1988-1989 – It was Saturn Dasa (2nd lord) & Mars (5th

> > lord & house dispositor of venus).

> > >

> > > It was a love marriage – 5th lord in 7th, Venus & Moon aspect

> each

> > other

> > >

> > > Children

> > >

> > > There had been few miscarriages – 5th house has 6th lord Venus

&

> > Rahu in 9th house.

> > >

> > > 1st child was a miscarriage – 9th lord frm Saptamsha Lagna in

8th

> > house frm Saptamsha Lagna

> > >

> > > She has a male child – lord of 5th & 9th Cuspal star is a male

> > star.

> > >

> > > No. of issues - 1

> > >

> > > Assets like properties etc.

> > >

> > > She was born in an affluent family – D-4 Lagna lord in 5th

house

> &

> > exchanges lordship with Mars, 5th lord.

> > >

> > > She has inherited good property frm her paternal relations –

9th

> > lord in 4th house, 11th house has 8th lord.

> > >

> > > Financial Status

> > >

> > > Good financial status – Jupiter with 2nd lord in 2nd house

> > >

> > > 11th lord & 8th house lord aspect each other --- Interested in

> > speculation

> > >

> > > Social Status

> > >

> > > Born in a rigid family – Lagna lord with Saturn.

> > >

> > > Family Is devoted to culture & arts – Jupiter joins Venus in

D-

> 12.

> > >

> > > Native may not follow family traditions – Mars afflicts

Jup-Sat

> > conjunction.

> > >

> > > Any other peculiarity

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> >

>

May 1, 2008

Friends,

This is a very interesting chart .

I have attempted to read this chart and under mentioned are my

primary findings.

I know that I am putting my head on the chopping block but I think

most of us are in the same state.

So here I go.

This chart belongs to a lady of substance.

Appearance: This lady belonging to Dhanur lagna and Vrishbha Navamsha

cannot be called a very beautiful person

in worldly terms .But at heart where her Sun resides, she is noble

and caring in her own way. A wheatish complexion

possibly a gift from her father's side of genes and an eccentricity

(intelligence wise)also inherited from Rahu's side which means

paternal gift of going deep into any subject on hand

She has the looks of an explorer of continents with slightly rugged

features.(Lagna in Moola)

A mannish looking face of a hunter intent on his target with

searching looks.

On the whole, a simple featured woman.She would be between 5.4 to 5.7

inches in height with medium stocky build body.

Possibly she has other three siblings a brother elder and younger

sister.

A lady with a very high IQ and a very high intelligence.

Since Sani, Guru, Sukra the important planets are in movable signs,

this lady may have settled in a foreign country far away from her

birth place.

Education: With graceful Sani in 2nd along with neecha Guru in 2nd,

Fate decider Rahu in 9th in Simha,

and Ketu aspecting Rahu and placed in Kumbha, and last but not the

least Moon in Vishakha in Tula rasi,

this lady would be nothing less than a doctor.

I do not see any medicine connection hence, a doctorate in Sookshma

Vidya meaning subject like Computer science

is possible as Rahu is her fate decider and computers are Rahu's

domain.

Artificial Intelligence or some higher physics or electronics may be

her subjects.

It is possible that this lady may be holding many degrees already and

she may be continuing her quest for further achievements.

At a relatively young age, these combinations can give her a position

of power.A measured talker, she would talk and write what

is of substance She would not spend time in idle gossip.

She might have migrated/visited foreign countries during her sani

dasa chandra bhukti.

Since moon is in 11th,in chara rasi, this trip may be for

employment/teaching.

Why I say teaching is because, I have seen people with Jupiter in

2nd, Lagna and 7th make very good teachers.

Mercury and ketu in 3rd , parakrama, makes her employ her intellect

in earning , meaning she lives by her sheer brain power.

She may have flair for writing scientific or sci-fi things.

I won't be surprised if for her writings of books thesis etc have

been awarded or might have been honoured in Mercury dasa.

She might have now settled in a foreign country. A country where

yavanas reside.

Did she get married in Sani Rahu? Chances are a pleanty.But marriage

might not have been one of the top three items of importance on her

agenda.

, This may be a reason for events which might have happened during

end sani dasa

and beginning Budha Budha period.

Whatever , she has a sort of platonic life in terms of her marital

status.Might have married to a person of her ckoice.

During the end of Sani dasa and beginning of Budha dasa, a 180 degree

turn might have happened in her life.

This is between 1992 to 1997.This is due to Dasa chidra and Swabhukti.

Financially, this lady is very secure.She might be extremes in her

financial affair. Tightwad at some and impulsive spender at other

times.

Rahu in 9th may make her attracted to Lord sadashiva.A woman with

simple living and high thinking.

Rahu in 9th and Guru in 2nd with Moon in Guru's nakshatra will make

her interested in occult sciences, ESP,Pyramids, Life after death

and such subjects too.

She will have Alpa Praja , a son or and a daughter only.

Some interesting things,

Mother of dominant nature, father intelligent and possibly a teacher

or a govt official.Marital lives of siblings may be under some strain.

More can be discussed at a later stage if some details are held back

by moderators so this can give a chance to people to explore further.

Tatvam-Asi

May 1, 2008

>

> Dear Neelamji,

Pranam,

> In my last attampt i have considered this chart of a male.

Now again I am giving my reading treating as female chart there is

some changes:

> 1) From the lagna this person seems to be a smart and good looking,

>

> 2)having good confidence and egoestic nature. Very good memory, and

> grasping power.

>

> 5)Education: She must have completed her degree. education up to

max 1981. after that might have discontinued. A close friendship is

indicated in the period 1974 onwards. Might have broken after aug

1981. In case if she had her marriage in 1980 after July to Aug 1981,

might have faced some problem because from aug 81 to oct 1984 is not

favarable for marital happiness.

If married in the period Aug 1981 to Oct 1984, might have broken

in next period.

>

> 7) If Marriage happened after NOv 1984, it should be good

happiness, and probable marriage dates may be 15th nov to 30th nov

1984, Jan 12 to 25 1985. 8th to 15th feb 1985, 5th march to 15th

march 1985.

> 8) might have first issue a daughter immidiately after marriage.

One Son indicated in 1991.

She can have her own bussiness, or consultancy services or can

handle a good authoritive position. The Mars is ruling for bussiness

field. So may be land or similar line. If in service might have left

her job in period nov 2005 to feb 2008. Might have got a good job in

recent future, or likely to have good job.

>

> 9) She might have made loss in the period may 1987 to jun 1988, nov

1993 to march 1996, may 2002 to may 2003.

>

> 10) From 2003 till today She must have earned a good income.

Current period till 2010 She is having Midas touch period. Will get

good success.

> 11) Social status: She is having very good name in Socity. But a

blot might have been in the period JaN 2006 to dEC 2007.

12) She cant go abroad because there is no malefic planet in the

12th house from lagna lord.

Regarding mother, father, FILaw and MIlaw some thing is seen but i

dont want to give such reading for a blind chart.

>

> This all from my limited knowledge of astrology. Please

> correct me. THE TIME PERIOD GIVEN HERE MAY DIFFER FOUR TO FIVE DAYS

WITH A DIFFERENCE OF ONE MIN IN BIRTH TIME. if my reading comes

nearer to the fact, I will give the reasoning i have used.

> Thanks and regards for all Gurujan

> Aditya

1st may 2008

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Let's start then, here's the native:

> >

> > Female: 4 April 1961/ 00.17 hrs /Baroda

> >

> > Lets make it a freestyle exercise….use any technique, any method…

> but you

> > should be able to explain your observations logically.

> >

> > Just repeating again, in case anyone has missed it:

> >

> > - The chart may or may not be of a famous person, it is

genuine

> and

> > identifiable.

> > - The time and details of birth are absolutely correct.

> > - It is somebody whose life details are known to me and I can

> vouch

> > for the correctness of events and their dates.

> > - I'll be able to answer all queries about the findings in the

> chart.

> >

> > We are trying to delineate the following points:

> >

> > 1. Looks & physical features

> > 2. Personality traits and nature

> > 3. Family, parents, etc

> > 4. Siblings

> > 5. Education

> > 6. Profession

> > 7. Marriage

> > 8. Children

> > 9. Assets like properties etc.

> > 10. Financial Status

> > 11. Social Status

> > 12. Any other peculiarity

> >

> > All the best and have fun!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

May 1, 2008

Dear Neelam ji

Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will give my

understanding by tommorrow evening.

Regds

Pradeep

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the

blind chart.

>

> I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best

tools to

> hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and give

it a

> shot.

>

> The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also

said,

> here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a

person, we

> forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.

> Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any

one person

> cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us together

can bring

> out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the

triumph

> of astrology, the study.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

May 2, 2008

Dear Neelam ji, Here goes my reading for the blind chart given.

Blind Chart Reading

4th April 1961; 0:17:00 AM

Place: 73 E 12' 00", 22 N 18' 00"; Baroda, Gujarat, India

Nakshatra: Visakha (Ju)

Tithi: Krishna Tritiya

Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (74.75% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (89.37% left)

Ayanamsa: 24-04-49.80 (Chandra hari Ayanamsa; 46 min more than Lahari)

Year Length: 360 days Savana Year

Balance Dasa at Birth: 15 yrs 04 months 14 days Jupiter Dasa

Sign Navamsa

Sagittarius As Su-Gk

Capricorn Ju-Sa Ke

Aquarius Ke-Me Sa

Pisces Su Ju

Aries (Ve) (Ve)-As-Ma-Mo

Taurus - Me

Gemini Ma -

Cancer - Ra

Leo Ra -

Virgo - -

Libra Mo-Gk -

Scorpio - -

Neelam Gupta ji has provided some guidelines for reading the chart. But I would like to follow the normal logic and flow â€" I feel like using, instead of following the rigid guidelines.

Let us first answer the question â€" from where the chart should be read; from Lagna or from Moon?

The Lagna lord Ju is in debilitation and not in Upachaya from Lagna (even though the Ju Navamsa falls in its own sign Pisces). Moon Sign lord Ve is in Retrograde (i.e. more strength) and is also in Vargottama (again more strength). Neither Lagna nor Moon is aspected by Ju or Me â€" indicating that the nativeâ€™s horoscope lacks proper strength and

The native took birth and will lead and eventful, hard life. If the strength of Lagna and Moon is compared, Moon sign seems to be more strong indicating a god fearing, good natured individual, undergoing much suffering and eventful life as indicated by the week Ju and Gk along with Moon.

The 4th house from Moon is owned by Saturn and Saturn is placed there itself, indicating that the native is born in an old, traditional family with enough land property. But still the same was undergoing deterioration of the old pride when the native took birth in the house as indicated by the Mars aspect and the debilitated Jupiter (6th lord) placed in 4th from Moon. The very same result can be derived also from Lagna, as indicated by 4th lord Jupiter giving its Navamsa in 4th house from Lagna itself in its own house, but still placing itself in debilitation in Capricorn. Further Sun is placed in 4th indicating the same result The native being proud of his familyâ€™s old legacy, but still suffering economic and other hardships in the family. Even though an able individual, it will take much time in the beginning for things to materialize and worldly success to emerge. This is well indicated by Sun in 4th; Mars in the Kendra of 4th house. (How many siblings the native had? I donâ€™t know â€" possibly 3, and one lost child; making it a total of 4; a wild guess)

This prompts us to have a look at the first Dasa experienced by the native â€" i.e. Jupiter dasa, which she experienced till 15 years of age. Starting from Moon sign Libra, it cannot be expected that the 3rd and 6th lord will give good results; especially when placed in 4th. Also note that 4th house from Moon sign is aspected by Mars. Ke navamsa is present in 4th house Capricorn and Saturn is placed there in own house. All these points to the following possibilities â€"

- The native is born in a combined family (A family where natives parents and relatives live together)

- Mother may suffer some health problems

- The native and to an extend his family will not have much right over the family property; the native will loss some land property, which as per birth right should have come to her.

- In the later period of life she will go abroad (applies to later period of life)

- She may not complete her education (applies to later period of life)

- There could be mental patients or people lacking the peace of mind (people with very agitated mind) in her family.

- Quarrels and financial problems in house (maternal family)

This indicates that during the childhood the native lived in her native land (possibly in a village) and experienced a life with a verity of child hood experiences, which she remembers even today; experience that formed the base for molding her personality. She was a god fearing, good child, possibly with multiple names (one school name and one used at home), intelligent, with moderate physique. Not a genius, but as a hard working student, she must have completed here school education with moderate marks.

From 15 years to 34 years it is Saturn Dasa for her. Saturn is in own house, and thus could give marriage - possibly between 1983 and 1986 at the age of 22 â€" 25 years during Saturn dasa Venus Antara. As indicated by the benefic planet (significator of knowledge) Ju in 4th and the placement of Saturn in its own house the education must have continued during this period â€" even though not with excellent results; but certainly with enough success. The marriage (could be a half arranged half love marriage, or a love marriage as indicated by 5th and 7th connection) may or may not have caused the break of the education. But certainly there seems to have occurred some clear gaps or breaks in education after this. The Saturn-Sun period during 1986-1987 might have caused an abortion. 1988-1990 might have caused some quarrels within the family (between husband and wife). With the Sun, Mars, Rahu Antara falling in the 2nd half of Saturnâ€™s dasa this period does not seems to be much favorable. Life goes through hardships and just enough income â€" even though the Saturnâ€™s dasa (as indicated by Saturnâ€™s placement in 2nd house from Lagna) provides some job to her, a limited source of income.

From 34 years to 51 years (from 1995 to 2012) it is Mercury dasa. The Me dasa changes everything â€" Me dasa would be the excellent period the native experiences; whether about job, intellectual excellence, children, adoption, family life or what ever it be. She may have children (2 girls?), adopted children (kids of relatives?), abortions (again abortion?), raise in job and position, research mindedness and intellectual excellence and so on. This seems to be the golden period of the nativeâ€™s life. This good looking, companionate, a bit loving but quarrelsome lady â€" is an excellent company for many, with good reading habits and intellectual abilities. All this prompts us to ask the question â€" what is her profession? I donâ€™t know! But still here is a try -

There is no planet in 10th house from Lagna, Moon or Sun. The 10th navamsa lord from Lagna is Venus (discard it since Venus dasa is yet to come); the 10th navamsa lord from Moon is Mars (Saturn/Mars seems to be important); the 10th navamsa lord from Sun is Jupiter (but Jupiter das as in childhood, but still this seems to be important since Ju is Lagna lord). It seems that the native is doing some intellectual job, in some technical field â€" may be it was a minor job till 34 years, but by now might have risen to some good position.

This individual considers herself as unlucky in most of the situations; dedicated to anything that interests me, or she loves. A true believer of god. But a look back at her family history, her own life events, diseases and problems faced by father, mother and relatives might make us ask â€" Is she lucky? But definitely she is an excellent individual with a good social status â€" which she deserves.

Education: Must be a graduate or a post graduate.

Marriage: Yes

Children: Yes â€" either own or adopted; if own then 1 or 2 girls.

Profession: Some intellectual job in some technical or medical domain.

Assets: Good properties including 4 wheeler by now (as indicated by Sa in 4th from Moon, and Sun in 4th from Lagna). Only minimum land assets.

Financial status: OK â€" not bad.

Social Status: Very good/Excellent

Please confirm or negate.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh , "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > Friends,> > This is a very interesting chart .> I have attempted to read this chart and under mentioned are my > primary findings.> I know that I am putting my head on the chopping block but I think > most of us are in the same state.> So here I go.> > > > This chart belongs to a lady of substance.> > Appearance: This lady belonging to Dhanur lagna and Vrishbha Navamsha > cannot be called a very beautiful person> in worldly terms .But at heart where her Sun resides, she is noble > and caring in her own way. A wheatish complexion > possibly a gift from her father's side of genes and an eccentricity > (intelligence wise)also inherited from Rahu's side which means > paternal gift of going deep into any subject on hand> She has the looks of an explorer of continents with slightly rugged > features.(Lagna in Moola)> A mannish looking face of a hunter intent on his target with > searching looks.> On the whole, a simple featured woman.She would be between 5.4 to 5.7 > inches in height with medium stocky build body.> Possibly she has other three siblings a brother elder and younger > sister.> > A lady with a very high IQ and a very high intelligence.> Since Sani, Guru, Sukra the important planets are in movable signs, > this lady may have settled in a foreign country far away from her > birth place.> > Education: With graceful Sani in 2nd along with neecha Guru in 2nd, > Fate decider Rahu in 9th in Simha,> and Ketu aspecting Rahu and placed in Kumbha, and last but not the > least Moon in Vishakha in Tula rasi, > this lady would be nothing less than a doctor.> I do not see any medicine connection hence, a doctorate in Sookshma > Vidya meaning subject like Computer science > is possible as Rahu is her fate decider and computers are Rahu's > domain. > Artificial Intelligence or some higher physics or electronics may be > her subjects.> It is possible that this lady may be holding many degrees already and > she may be continuing her quest for further achievements.> > At a relatively young age, these combinations can give her a position > of power.A measured talker, she would talk and write what> is of substance She would not spend time in idle gossip.> > She might have migrated/visited foreign countries during her sani > dasa chandra bhukti.> Since moon is in 11th,in chara rasi, this trip may be for > employment/teaching.> Why I say teaching is because, I have seen people with Jupiter in > 2nd, Lagna and 7th make very good teachers.> Mercury and ketu in 3rd , parakrama, makes her employ her intellect > in earning , meaning she lives by her sheer brain power.> She may have flair for writing scientific or sci-fi things.> I won't be surprised if for her writings of books thesis etc have > been awarded or might have been honoured in Mercury dasa.> > She might have now settled in a foreign country. A country where > yavanas reside.> Did she get married in Sani Rahu? Chances are a pleanty.But marriage > might not have been one of the top three items of importance on her > agenda.> , This may be a reason for events which might have happened during > end sani dasa > and beginning Budha Budha period.> Whatever , she has a sort of platonic life in terms of her marital > status.Might have married to a person of her ckoice.> > During the end of Sani dasa and beginning of Budha dasa, a 180 degree > turn might have happened in her life.> This is between 1992 to 1997.This is due to Dasa chidra and Swabhukti.> > Financially, this lady is very secure.She might be extremes in her > financial affair. Tightwad at some and impulsive spender at other > times.> Rahu in 9th may make her attracted to Lord sadashiva.A woman with > simple living and high thinking.> > Rahu in 9th and Guru in 2nd with Moon in Guru's nakshatra will make > her interested in occult sciences, ESP,Pyramids, Life after death > and such subjects too.> She will have Alpa Praja , a son or and a daughter only.> > Some interesting things,> > Mother of dominant nature, father intelligent and possibly a teacher > or a govt official.Marital lives of siblings may be under some strain.> > More can be discussed at a later stage if some details are held back > by moderators so this can give a chance to people to explore further.> > Tatvam-Asi>

May 2, 2008

Dear Sreenath ji,

I read your readings. Really it helps a student like me

to know as to how to read horoscope and attempt to predict. Thank you for the

same

Sivaraman

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

Here goes my reading for the blind chart given.

Blind Chart Reading

4th April 1961; 0:17:00 AM

Place: 73 E 12' 00 " , 22 N 18' 00 " ; Baroda, Gujarat, India

Nakshatra: Visakha (Ju)

Tithi: Krishna Tritiya

Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (74.75% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (89.37% left)

Ayanamsa: 24-04-49.80 (Chandra hari Ayanamsa; 46 min more than Lahari)

Year Length: 360 days Savana Year

Balance Dasa at Birth: 15 yrs 04 months 14 days Jupiter Dasa

Sign Navamsa

Sagittarius As Su-Gk

Capricorn Ju-Sa Ke

Aquarius Ke-Me Sa

Pisces Su Ju

Aries (Ve) (Ve)-As-Ma-Mo

Taurus - Me

Gemini Ma -

Cancer - Ra

Leo Ra -

Virgo - -

Libra Mo-Gk -

Scorpio - -

Neelam Gupta ji has provided some guidelines for reading the

chart. But I would like to follow the normal logic and flow â€ " I feel like

using, instead of following the rigid guidelines.

Let us first answer the question â€ " from where the chart should

be read; from Lagna or from Moon?

The Lagna lord Ju is in debilitation and not in Upachaya from

Lagna (even though the Ju Navamsa falls in its own sign Pisces). Moon Sign lord

Ve is in Retrograde (i.e. more strength) and is also in Vargottama (again more

strength). Neither Lagna nor Moon is aspected by Ju or Me â€ " indicating that

the nativeâ€™s horoscope lacks proper strength and

The native took birth and will lead and eventful, hard life. If the strength

of Lagna and Moon is compared, Moon sign seems to be more strong indicating a

god fearing, good natured individual, undergoing much suffering and eventful

life as indicated by the week Ju and Gk along with Moon.

The 4th house from Moon is owned by Saturn and Saturn is placed

there itself, indicating that the native is born in an old, traditional family

with enough land property. But still the same was undergoing deterioration of

the old pride when the native took birth in the house as indicated by the Mars

aspect and the debilitated Jupiter (6th lord) placed in 4th from Moon. The very

same result can be derived also from Lagna, as indicated by 4th lord Jupiter

giving its Navamsa in 4th house from Lagna itself in its own house, but still

placing itself in debilitation in Capricorn. Further Sun is placed in 4th

indicating the same result The native being proud of his familyâ€™s old legacy,

but still suffering economic and other hardships in the family. Even though an

able individual, it will take much time in the beginning for things to

materialize and worldly success to emerge. This is well indicated by Sun in 4th;

Mars in the Kendra of 4th house. (How many siblings

the native had? I donâ€™t know â€ " possibly 3, and one lost child; making it a

total of 4; a wild guess)

This prompts us to have a look at the first Dasa experienced by

the native â€ " i.e. Jupiter dasa, which she experienced till 15 years of age.

Starting from Moon sign Libra, it cannot be expected that the 3rd and 6th lord

will give good results; especially when placed in 4th. Also note that 4th house

from Moon sign is aspected by Mars. Ke navamsa is present in 4th house Capricorn

and Saturn is placed there in own house. All these points to the following

possibilities â€ "

- The native is born in a combined family (A family where natives

parents and relatives live together)

- Mother may suffer some health problems

- The native and to an extend his family will not have much right over

the family property; the native will loss some land property, which as per birth

right should have come to her.

- In the later period of life she will go abroad (applies to later

period of life)

- She may not complete her education (applies to later period of life)

- There could be mental patients or people lacking the peace of mind

(people with very agitated mind) in her family.

- Quarrels and financial problems in house (maternal family)

This indicates that during the childhood the native lived in her native land

(possibly in a village) and experienced a life with a verity of child hood

experiences, which she remembers even today; experience that formed the base for

molding her personality. She was a god fearing, good child, possibly with

multiple names (one school name and one used at home), intelligent, with

moderate physique. Not a genius, but as a hard working student, she must have

completed here school education with moderate marks.

From 15 years to 34 years it is Saturn Dasa for her. Saturn is in own house,

and thus could give marriage - possibly between 1983 and 1986 at the age of 22

â€ " 25 years during Saturn dasa Venus Antara. As indicated by the benefic planet

(significator of knowledge) Ju in 4th and the placement of Saturn in its own

house the education must have continued during this period â€ " even though not

with excellent results; but certainly with enough success. The marriage (could

be a half arranged half love marriage, or a love marriage as indicated by 5th

and 7th connection) may or may not have caused the break of the education. But

certainly there seems to have occurred some clear gaps or breaks in education

after this. The Saturn-Sun period during 1986-1987 might have caused an

abortion. 1988-1990 might have caused some quarrels within the family (between

husband and wife). With the Sun, Mars, Rahu Antara falling in the 2nd half of

Saturnâ€™s dasa this period does not seems to be

much favorable. Life goes through hardships and just enough income â€ " even

though the Saturnâ€™s dasa (as indicated by Saturnâ€™s placement in 2nd house

from Lagna) provides some job to her, a limited source of income.

From 34 years to 51 years (from 1995 to 2012) it is Mercury dasa. The Me dasa

changes everything â€ " Me dasa would be the excellent period the native

experiences; whether about job, intellectual excellence, children, adoption,

family life or what ever it be. She may have children (2 girls?), adopted

children (kids of relatives?), abortions (again abortion?), raise in job and

position, research mindedness and intellectual excellence and so on. This seems

to be the golden period of the nativeâ€™s life. This good looking, companionate,

a bit loving but quarrelsome lady â€ " is an excellent company for many, with

good reading habits and intellectual abilities. All this prompts us to ask the

question â€ " what is her profession? I donâ€™t know! But still here is a try -

There is no planet in 10th house from Lagna, Moon or Sun. The 10th navamsa

lord from Lagna is Venus (discard it since Venus dasa is yet to come); the 10th

navamsa lord from Moon is Mars (Saturn/Mars seems to be important); the 10th

navamsa lord from Sun is Jupiter (but Jupiter das as in childhood, but still

this seems to be important since Ju is Lagna lord). It seems that the native is

doing some intellectual job, in some technical field â€ " may be it was a minor

job till 34 years, but by now might have risen to some good position.

This individual considers herself as unlucky in most of the situations;

dedicated to anything that interests me, or she loves. A true believer of god.

But a look back at her family history, her own life events, diseases and

problems faced by father, mother and relatives might make us ask â€ " Is she

lucky? But definitely she is an excellent individual with a good social status

â€ " which she deserves.

Education: Must be a graduate or a post graduate.

Marriage: Yes

Children: Yes â€ " either own or adopted; if own then 1 or 2 girls.

Profession: Some intellectual job in some technical or medical domain.

Assets: Good properties including 4 wheeler by now (as indicated by Sa in 4th

from Moon, and Sun in 4th from Lagna). Only minimum land assets.

Financial status: OK â€ " not bad.

Social Status: Very good/Excellent

Please confirm or negate.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

May 2, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,

That was so methodical and wonderfully done, though to congratulate

you I got to wait till Neelam ji reveals the facts. Irrespecitive of

the correctiness/incorrectness ...let me thank you for the guidance

given.

blessings

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

> Here goes my reading for the blind chart given.

>

> Blind Chart Reading

>

> 4th April 1961; 0:17:00 AM

>

> Place: 73 E 12' 00 " , 22 N 18' 00 " ; Baroda, Gujarat, India

>

> Nakshatra: Visakha (Ju)

>

> Tithi: Krishna Tritiya

>

> Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

>

> Yoga: Vajra (Mo) (74.75% left)

>

> Karana: Vishti (Sa) (89.37% left)

>

> Ayanamsa: 24-04-49.80 (Chandra hari Ayanamsa; 46 min more than

> Lahari)

>

> Year Length: 360 days Savana Year

>

> Balance Dasa at Birth: 15 yrs 04 months 14 days Jupiter Dasa

>

> Sign Navamsa

>

> Sagittarius As Su-Gk

>

> Capricorn Ju-Sa Ke

>

> Aquarius Ke-Me Sa

>

> Pisces Su Ju

>

> Aries (Ve) (Ve)-As-Ma-Mo

>

> Taurus - Me

>

> Gemini Ma -

>

> Cancer - Ra

>

> Leo Ra -

>

> Virgo - -

>

> Libra Mo-Gk -

>

> Scorpio - -

>

> Neelam Gupta ji has provided some guidelines for

reading the

> chart. But I would like to follow the normal logic and flow â€ " I

> feel like using, instead of following the rigid guidelines.

>

> Let us first answer the question â€ " from where the

> chart should be read; from Lagna or from Moon?

>

> The Lagna lord Ju is in debilitation and not in

Upachaya

> from Lagna (even though the Ju Navamsa falls in its own sign

Pisces).

> Moon Sign lord Ve is in Retrograde (i.e. more strength) and is

also in

> Vargottama (again more strength). Neither Lagna nor Moon is

aspected by

> Ju or Me â€ " indicating that the nativeâ€™s horoscope lacks

> proper strength and

>

> The native took birth and will lead and eventful, hard life. If the

> strength of Lagna and Moon is compared, Moon sign seems to be more

> strong indicating a god fearing, good natured individual,

undergoing

> much suffering and eventful life as indicated by the week Ju and Gk

> along with Moon.

>

> The 4th house from Moon is owned by Saturn and Saturn

is

> placed there itself, indicating that the native is born in an old,

> traditional family with enough land property. But still the same

was

> undergoing deterioration of the old pride when the native took

birth in

> the house as indicated by the Mars aspect and the debilitated

Jupiter

> (6th lord) placed in 4th from Moon. The very same result can be

derived

> also from Lagna, as indicated by 4th lord Jupiter giving its

Navamsa in

> 4th house from Lagna itself in its own house, but still placing

itself

> in debilitation in Capricorn. Further Sun is placed in 4th

indicating

> the same result The native being proud of his familyâ€™s old

> legacy, but still suffering economic and other hardships in the

family.

> Even though an able individual, it will take much time in the

beginning

> for things to materialize and worldly success to emerge. This is

well

> indicated by Sun in 4th; Mars in the Kendra of 4th house. (How many

> siblings the native had? I donâ€™t know â€ " possibly 3, and

> one lost child; making it a total of 4; a wild guess)

>

> This prompts us to have a look at the first Dasa

experienced

> by the native â€ " i.e. Jupiter dasa, which she experienced till 15

> years of age. Starting from Moon sign Libra, it cannot be

expected that

> the 3rd and 6th lord will give good results; especially when

placed in

> 4th. Also note that 4th house from Moon sign is aspected by Mars.

Ke

> navamsa is present in 4th house Capricorn and Saturn is placed

there in

> own house. All these points to the following possibilities â€ "

>

> - The native is born in a combined family (A family where

> natives parents and relatives live together)

>

> - Mother may suffer some health problems

>

> - The native and to an extend his family will not have much

> right over the family property; the native will loss some land

property,

> which as per birth right should have come to her.

>

> - In the later period of life she will go abroad (applies

to

> later period of life)

>

> - She may not complete her education (applies to later

period of

> life)

>

> - There could be mental patients or people lacking the

peace of

> mind (people with very agitated mind) in her family.

>

> - Quarrels and financial problems in house (maternal

family)

>

> This indicates that during the childhood the native lived in her

native

> land (possibly in a village) and experienced a life with a verity

of

> child hood experiences, which she remembers even today; experience

that

> formed the base for molding her personality. She was a god

fearing, good

> child, possibly with multiple names (one school name and one used

at

> home), intelligent, with moderate physique. Not a genius, but as a

hard

> working student, she must have completed here school education with

> moderate marks.

>

> From 15 years to 34 years it is Saturn Dasa for her. Saturn is in

own

> house, and thus could give marriage - possibly between 1983 and

1986 at

> the age of 22 â€ " 25 years during Saturn dasa Venus Antara. As

> indicated by the benefic planet (significator of knowledge) Ju in

4th

> and the placement of Saturn in its own house the education must

have

> continued during this period â€ " even though not with excellent

> results; but certainly with enough success. The marriage (could be

a

> half arranged half love marriage, or a love marriage as indicated

by 5th

> and 7th connection) may or may not have caused the break of the

> education. But certainly there seems to have occurred some clear

gaps

> or breaks in education after this. The Saturn-Sun period during

> 1986-1987 might have caused an abortion. 1988-1990 might have

caused

> some quarrels within the family (between husband and wife). With

the

> Sun, Mars, Rahu Antara falling in the 2nd half of Saturnâ€™s dasa

> this period does not seems to be much favorable. Life goes through

> hardships and just enough income â€ " even though the

> Saturnâ€™s dasa (as indicated by Saturnâ€™s placement in 2nd

> house from Lagna) provides some job to her, a limited source of

income.

>

> From 34 years to 51 years (from 1995 to 2012) it is Mercury dasa.

The Me

> dasa changes everything â€ " Me dasa would be the excellent period

> the native experiences; whether about job, intellectual excellence,

> children, adoption, family life or what ever it be. She may have

> children (2 girls?), adopted children (kids of relatives?),

abortions

> (again abortion?), raise in job and position, research mindedness

and

> intellectual excellence and so on. This seems to be the golden

period of

> the nativeâ€™s life. This good looking, companionate, a bit loving

> but quarrelsome lady â€ " is an excellent company for many, with

> good reading habits and intellectual abilities. All this prompts

us to

> ask the question â€ " what is her profession? I donâ€™t know!

> But still here is a try -

>

> There is no planet in 10th house from Lagna, Moon or Sun. The

10th

> navamsa lord from Lagna is Venus (discard it since Venus dasa is

yet to

> come); the 10th navamsa lord from Moon is Mars (Saturn/Mars seems

to be

> important); the 10th navamsa lord from Sun is Jupiter (but Jupiter

das

> as in childhood, but still this seems to be important since Ju is

Lagna

> lord). It seems that the native is doing some intellectual job, in

some

> technical field â€ " may be it was a minor job till 34 years, but by

> now might have risen to some good position.

>

> This individual considers herself as unlucky in most of the

situations;

> dedicated to anything that interests me, or she loves. A true

believer

> of god. But a look back at her family history, her own life events,

> diseases and problems faced by father, mother and relatives might

make

> us ask â€ " Is she lucky? But definitely she is an excellent

> individual with a good social status â€ " which she deserves.

>

> Education: Must be a graduate or a post graduate.

>

> Marriage: Yes

>

> Children: Yes â€ " either own or adopted; if own then 1 or 2 girls.

>

> Profession: Some intellectual job in some technical or medical

domain.

>

> Assets: Good properties including 4 wheeler by now (as indicated

by Sa

> in 4th from Moon, and Sun in 4th from Lagna). Only minimum land

assets.

>

> Financial status: OK â€ " not bad.

>

> Social Status: Very good/Excellent

>

> Please confirm or negate.

>

> Love and regards,

>

> Sreenadh

>

May 3, 2008

Dear group,

The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses coming up? Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming out of their hidings to share their knowledge

with all of us.

And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought your

analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles. We're waiting….

Even Sreenadhji's list of expected

participants is not complete yet…Pradeep ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her arrows….

I know many of us form our own thumb rules

and opinions, we have our time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them

and see whether they pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward and

reveal your hidden tenets.

I think we can wait for 2-3 days for

more responses. Sreenadh ji, will you please fix the dead lines and tell me when

to let the cat out…Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss,

you'll land among the stars…. RegardsNeelam

May 3, 2008

Dear group,

I am also curious to read a Jaimini interpretation and use of multiple

dasas etc. Looking forward to techniques from researchers and their

disciples to add something specific about the individuals. Researches in

astrology must be based on future predictions or blind reading like this

instead of stuffed with 'dead cases' making Jyotishsastra a mortuary. I

saw a mortuary book of researches in the morning " Advanced Techniques of

Astrological Predcns " forwarded by the doyen (Pub: Bharatiya Prachya

evam sanatan Vigyan Sansthan). All research is based on past. Even Kiran

Bedi's chart painstakingly obtained from her father is given

highlighting all the good combinations but no indication that she will

miss out the top Delhi post.

It looks as if none has mastered researches like self employment or

service and so unable to speak as to what is the profession of the

native under discussion. In science if a new research is published,

especially " replicable " then the same is adopted by students and used

for diff application. Here I am not finding any specific application of

researches?

Even the famous replicable Cara_dasa cum Vimsottari cum Varga is not

found applied by anyone to this chart. None is applying the double

transit theory to predict the year in which she got married, joined a

job (if she is not house wife) and the time at which she had few kids

etc. No DT application?

According to a Jaimini research I had, Atmakaraka Budha joined by Ketu

in Rasi suggests the native to be a Medical professional i.e, doctor.

What the Jaimini experts have to say?

chandra hari

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear group,

>

> The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses coming

up?

> Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming out

of

> their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.

>

> And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought

your

> analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.

We're

> waiting….

>

> Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete

yet…Pradeep

> ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her

arrows….

>

> I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our

> time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see

whether they

> pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward

and

> reveal your hidden tenets.

>

> I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji, will

you

> please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…

>

> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

stars….

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

May 3, 2008

Dear Ms Neelam,

Read urs post.

" Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars….

good quotation "

Good line.

Anirudh

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear group,

>

> The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses

coming up?

> Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming

out of

> their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.

>

> And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought

your

> analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.

We're

> waiting….

>

> Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete yet…

Pradeep

> ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her

arrows….

>

> I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our

> time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see whether

they

> pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward

and

> reveal your hidden tenets.

>

> I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji,

will you

> please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…

>

> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars….

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

May 3, 2008

Dear Chandra Hari ji,

'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in which she got married"

I think you missed the following in an earlier post.

'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiterand Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage."

I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage. ........

blessings

Renu> >> > Dear group,> >> > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses coming> up?> > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming out> of> > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> >> > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I thought> your> > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.> We're> > waiting….> >> > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete> yet…Pradeep> > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her> arrows….> >> > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our> > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see> whether they> > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward> and> > reveal your hidden tenets.> >> > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji, will> you> > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…> >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> stars….> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

May 3, 2008

Dear Renuji,

Thank you for pointing out the matter. We ordinary mortals can only

crawl in astrology. I am against some researchers because they have

made pits for the crawling students to fall. So there is urgent need to

caution them.

DT is a Rao_pit dug to perpetuate his name as a researcher in astrology

and so I want to see that it is dumped to hell. In the mortuary book I

quoted, all the BVB teachers under Rao have published their papers. Is

there any such researcher who can put down a single line on any chart

correctly with their researches?

All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru. Be attached

to her than carrying the nonsense baggage of so called researchers.

Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them sincerely

under the grace of Great Mother.

chandra hari

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandra Hari ji,

>

> 'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in

> which she got married "

>

> I think you missed the following in an earlier post.

>

> 'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,

> i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiter

> and Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage. "

>

> I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in

> astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage. ........

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> > >

> > > Dear group,

> > >

> > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses

> coming

> > up?

> > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming

> out

> > of

> > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.

> > >

> > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I

thought

> > your

> > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.

> > We're

> > > waiting….

> > >

> > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete

> > yet…Pradeep

> > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her

> > arrows….

> > >

> > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have

our

> > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see

> > whether they

> > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come

> forward

> > and

> > > reveal your hidden tenets.

> > >

> > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji,

> will

> > you

> > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…

> > >

> > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

> > stars….

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

May 3, 2008

Dear Neelamji,

i think that is the secret wish we all have....to land among the

stars. but shooting arrows is something which may not get us there,

don't u think so? i find astrology fascinating because it makes us

concious of the stars within and without and all around...

but i will watch for the results when u let the cat out.....

love,

vinita

PS

shooting some wild arrows, what fascinated me abt. the chart was its

retro, vargottama Venus which is in the 12th House of Navamsa. There

are certainly marriage issues / separation....

, " anirudh_us "

<anirudh_us wrote:

>

> Dear Ms Neelam,

> Read urs post.

> " Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

stars….

> good quotation "

> Good line.

>

> Anirudh

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear group,

> >

> > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses

> coming up?

> > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they

coming

> out of

> > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.

> >

> > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I

thought

> your

> > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and

principles.

> We're

> > waiting….

> >

> > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete

yet…

> Pradeep

> > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot

her

> arrows….

> >

> > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have

our

> > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see

whether

> they

> > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come

forward

> and

> > reveal your hidden tenets.

> >

> > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh

ji,

> will you

> > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…

> >

> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the

stars….

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Neelam

> >

>

May 3, 2008

Dear Neelam Ji and All,

Pranam,

This is my first attempt to read the blind chart and put forth my

understanding and analysis beofre the all respected and learned

Gurujan here.

Kindly provide me all your insights and do let me know my short falls

and flaws in my reading. I am open for correction and for any

constructive feedback from you all!

Here it goes

D-1 Lagna: Sagg, Moola Nakshatra

D-9 Lagna Taurus

D-10 Lagna Capricorn

And I also looked into other Varga charts in line with D1 and D9

The native born on 4th April 1961 with Sagg rising Moon in Vishaka

Nak 1st pada lorded by Jupiter and on the Tithi of Krishna Tritiya

Mars) A Lucky birth for the parents. Major Positive changes and even

a change of residence for the entire family is indicated. But the

native feels herself as an ill luck lady

About the Native:

1. Looks & physical features

Average Height may be exactly 5Ft (without Heels:-)above average look

but definatly not like Aishwarya Rai! Boyish and little bulky body

with wheatish complexion

Though LL Jup is debilitated, is in 2nd (earthy sign) in Uttarashada

indicates my above observation and Sat's association with LL shall

make the native to take care of the look and she may be doing

physical exercises as well…along with Yoga/Meditation. Not much

inclined towards spending money on maintaining her look. Good dress

sense. Not spendthrift though she can

2.Personality traits and nature

A very sweet and firm in talking, but sometimes aggressiveness in

speech. Mars aspect on Sat and LL. Mars in constellation of Ve

Nakshatra and VeR positioned in Aries can give very aggressive speech

some time shoot straight even if it hurts others; like when you talk

on any subject expressing your views freely, uttering only the truth.

Note: Mercury natural karaka for speech who is also her AK positioned

in Jupiter's Nakshatra, Probably in my view this is the single most

reason she might have turned to a public service/speaker or in mass

media.

3.Family, parents, etc

Born in well to do family father might have worked in Govt or public

sector domain during India's Pre-independence era

4.Siblings

Possibility of ONLY ONE younger brother and he shall be in

Communication or Power related industry. Well settled

5. Education

Chart shows the possibilities of becoming a Doctor (Medical) and the

native started studying medical science, but i doubt she's has ever

been able to complete and practice same. Break in education is

indicated possibly on account of early love?marriage.(Age 21/22 Yrs)

In my opinion native is in completely in different field then what

she's accomplished academically.

6. Profession

Singer

7. Marriage

Love marriage but not free from troubles and difference of opinion on

a mental plane with the partner. And 2nd most important factor

influencing her CHANGE in profession

8. Children

Only one male progeny, Twins are also not ruled-out

I am just providing with my above observations without much

Astrological pointers (though I made but being a student waiting for

the results and not posting just bit of hesitant to mention at this

point of time here. like to see i am anywhere near to the Facts of

the native in my analysis) I shall be able to provide any further

reasoning of my above analysis if it is found to be correct or nearer

to the facts.

Thanks and Regards

Chandu2Chill

P.S: Presence of UL and AL in same house (3H Aquarius) shows Not much

Karmic debts and may be an indication of the soul is on final journey

i.e. MOKSHA again VeR in Ketu's Nakshatra, Vargottama and is in 12H

in Navamsa confirming this.

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

Dear group,

The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses

coming up? Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't

they coming out of their hidings to share their knowledge with all of

us.And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I

thought your analysis will bring forth some special techniques and

principles. We're waiting…. Even Sreenadhji's list of expected

participants is not complete yet…Pradeep ji please send your

analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her arrows…. I know many of

us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our time-tested

theories and dictums…why not apply them and see whether they pass one

more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward and reveal

your hidden tenets.

I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji,

will you please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat

out…

Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars….

Regards

Neelam

May 3, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear chandu ji

I apreciate ur trial and answering of the blind chart .Even though the real results madam neelamjis answer will be showing us the reality ,i must congraturlate u and ur attitude ,where as many 100s of gr8 astrologers in this forum are sleeping or pretent to be sleeping novices like u are our guiding lites .Only this grp has maximum number of real astrologers as memebrs .But students like u are showing us the way .As u answered in true spirit of a seeker of this devine knowledge .our faults can be corrected always .

keep it up and all the best ,now i can see the lite ie jyothish in u .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Neelam Ji and All, > > Pranam,> > This is my first attempt to read the blind chart and put forth my > understanding and analysis beofre the all respected and learned > Gurujan here.> > Kindly provide me all your insights and do let me know my short falls > and flaws in my reading. I am open for correction and for any > constructive feedback from you all!> > Here it goes> > D-1 Lagna: Sagg, Moola Nakshatra> D-9 Lagna Taurus > D-10 Lagna Capricorn> And I also looked into other Varga charts in line with D1 and D9> > The native born on 4th April 1961 with Sagg rising Moon in Vishaka > Nak 1st pada lorded by Jupiter and on the Tithi of Krishna Tritiya > Mars) A Lucky birth for the parents. Major Positive changes and even > a change of residence for the entire family is indicated. But the > native feels herself as an ill luck lady> > About the Native:> > 1. Looks & physical features> > Average Height may be exactly 5Ft (without Heels:-)above average look > but definatly not like Aishwarya Rai! Boyish and little bulky body > with wheatish complexion > > Though LL Jup is debilitated, is in 2nd (earthy sign) in Uttarashada > indicates my above observation and Sat's association with LL shall > make the native to take care of the look and she may be doing > physical exercises as well…along with Yoga/Meditation. Not much > inclined towards spending money on maintaining her look. Good dress > sense. Not spendthrift though she can > > 2.Personality traits and nature> > A very sweet and firm in talking, but sometimes aggressiveness in > speech. Mars aspect on Sat and LL. Mars in constellation of Ve > Nakshatra and VeR positioned in Aries can give very aggressive speech > some time shoot straight even if it hurts others; like when you talk > on any subject expressing your views freely, uttering only the truth.> > Note: Mercury natural karaka for speech who is also her AK positioned > in Jupiter's Nakshatra, Probably in my view this is the single most > reason she might have turned to a public service/speaker or in mass > media.> > 3.Family, parents, etc> > Born in well to do family father might have worked in Govt or public > sector domain during India's Pre-independence era > > 4.Siblings> > Possibility of ONLY ONE younger brother and he shall be in > Communication or Power related industry. Well settled> > 5. Education> > Chart shows the possibilities of becoming a Doctor (Medical) and the > native started studying medical science, but i doubt she's has ever > been able to complete and practice same. Break in education is > indicated possibly on account of early love?marriage.(Age 21/22 Yrs) > In my opinion native is in completely in different field then what > she's accomplished academically. > > 6. Profession> > Singer > > 7. Marriage> > Love marriage but not free from troubles and difference of opinion on > a mental plane with the partner. And 2nd most important factor > influencing her CHANGE in profession > > 8. Children> > Only one male progeny, Twins are also not ruled-out> > I am just providing with my above observations without much > Astrological pointers (though I made but being a student waiting for > the results and not posting just bit of hesitant to mention at this > point of time here. like to see i am anywhere near to the Facts of > the native in my analysis) I shall be able to provide any further > reasoning of my above analysis if it is found to be correct or nearer > to the facts. > > Thanks and Regards> > Chandu2Chill > > P.S: Presence of UL and AL in same house (3H Aquarius) shows Not much > Karmic debts and may be an indication of the soul is on final journey > i.e. MOKSHA again VeR in Ketu's Nakshatra, Vargottama and is in 12H > in Navamsa confirming this.> > , "neelam gupta" > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> Dear group,> The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses > coming up? Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't > they coming out of their hidings to share their knowledge with all of > us.And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I > thought your analysis will bring forth some special techniques and > principles. We're waiting…. Even Sreenadhji's list of expected > participants is not complete yet…Pradeep ji please send your > analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her arrows…. I know many of > us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have our time-tested > theories and dictums…why not apply them and see whether they pass one > more test…we must dare! So all of you please come forward and reveal > your hidden tenets.> I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji, > will you please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat > out…> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars….> Regards> > Neelam>

May 3, 2008

Dear Neelam ji

Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or 26

hours day.

1.Looks & physical features

Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives energetic

and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from chandra

lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine

qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any problems

related to speech or some limb?

2. Personality traits and nature

Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having navamsha in

the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.

Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in the

house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge in many

Shasthras.

8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and

intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.

Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However

through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the canvas

for hard work.

3. Family, parents, etc

Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having

navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th lord

etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th lord

debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.

Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through

mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health difficulties can

also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there are

possibilities.

Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.

4. Siblings

Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or 1981 -

Problem for a sibling.

5. Education

Post graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business. Many

degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.

6. Profession

Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter aspecting

10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and is

placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th from

moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive towards

profession and will rise very high.

I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious metals

etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic

interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great

research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.

Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or chemist

as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an artist

perfecting and oozing rasa:-).

5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained powerful

dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance the

professional potential .

7. Marriage

Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or some

difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.

8. Children

This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th

lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and

karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited

progeny,if any.

9. Assets like properties etc.

Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional

houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through

inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.

10. Financial Status

Problems to save.

11. Social Status

High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has attained the

same rashi in multiple vargas.

12. Any other peculiarity

Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple relationships.

These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning

experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.

Regards

Pradeep

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji

>

> Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will give my

> understanding by tommorrow evening.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the

> blind chart.

> >

> > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best

> tools to

> > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and give

> it a

> > shot.

> >

> > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also

> said,

> > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a

> person, we

> > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.

> > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any

> one person

> > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us together

> can bring

> > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the

> triumph

> > of astrology, the study.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

May 4, 2008

Dear Pradeep,

Happy to see the comments on navamsa and 5th house. But I could not understand the statement like

Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus and also the statement that Karakamsa Lagna is Tula.

As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa.

Taking Mesha as Navamsa Lagna and focussing on Navamsa, her marriage must be during 14 December 1987 to 20 December 1987. I am giving the shortest span that can be pinpointed.

chandra hari

, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or 26> hours day.> > 1.Looks & physical features> > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives energetic> and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from chandra> lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine> qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any problems> related to speech or some limb?> > 2. Personality traits and nature> Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having navamsha in> the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.> > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in the> house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge in many> Shasthras.> 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and> intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.> > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However> through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the canvas> for hard work.> > 3. Family, parents, etc> > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having> navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th lord> etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th lord> debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.> > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through> mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health difficulties can> also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there are> possibilities.> > > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.> > 4. Siblings> > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or 1981 -> Problem for a sibling.> > 5. Education> > Post graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business. Many> degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.> > 6. Profession> > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter aspecting> 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and is> placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th from> moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive towards> profession and will rise very high.> I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious metals> etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic> interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great> research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.> > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or chemist> as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an artist> perfecting and oozing rasa:-).> > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained powerful> dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance the> professional potential .> > 7. Marriage> > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or some> difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.> > 8. Children> > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th> lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and> karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited> progeny,if any.> > 9. Assets like properties etc.> > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional> houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through> inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.> > 10. Financial Status> Problems to save.> > 11. Social Status> High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has attained the> same rashi in multiple vargas.> > 12. Any other peculiarity> Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple relationships.> > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning> experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.> > Regards> > Pradeep> > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam ji> >> > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will give my> > understanding by tommorrow evening.> >> > Regds> > Pradeep> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the> > blind chart.> > >> > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best> > tools to> > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and give> > it a> > > shot.> > >> > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also> > said,> > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a> > person, we> > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.> > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any> > one person> > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us together> > can bring> > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the> > triumph> > > of astrology, the study.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> >>

May 4, 2008

Dear Chandra Hari ji,

"All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru"

I agree. I may add that all human teachers have limitations.

Anyway for those who are not versed in Sanskrit, the only source of learning is books written in English, and one must admit when the style of writing is appealing, the readers are naturally attracted. I don't know about pitfalls...but I would surely keep a ladder to climb up in case I fall down.........I am open to learn the 'most correct' version irrespective of the writer..

I read each and every post with lot of enthusiams and try to grasp the basics and let me take this opportunity to thank you and all others for step by step analyses on the 'Blind Chart'. They are indeed lessons for learners like me.

If any astrologer could forsee the future 100% and also could depict the past like a piecture book...he would be equivalent to a Buddha......and to find Buddhas in this era will be more difficut than finding a needle in a hay-stack. As a Buddhist that is how I feel....and I don't discard the validity of your statement too...

"Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them sincerely under the grace of Great Mother."

blessings

Renu

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Renuji,> > Thank you for pointing out the matter. We ordinary mortals can only> crawl in astrology. I am against some researchers because they have> made pits for the crawling students to fall. So there is urgent need to> caution them.> > DT is a Rao_pit dug to perpetuate his name as a researcher in astrology> and so I want to see that it is dumped to hell. In the mortuary book I> quoted, all the BVB teachers under Rao have published their papers. Is> there any such researcher who can put down a single line on any chart> correctly with their researches?> > All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru. Be attached> to her than carrying the nonsense baggage of so called researchers. > Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them sincerely> under the grace of Great Mother.> > chandra hari> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> >> > 'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in> > which she got married"> >> > I think you missed the following in an earlier post.> >> > 'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,> > i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiter> > and Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage."> >> > I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in> > astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage. ........> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> > > >> > > > Dear group,> > > >> > > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses> > coming> > > up?> > > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they coming> > out> > > of> > > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> > > >> > > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I> thought> > > your> > > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and principles.> > > We're> > > > waiting….> > > >> > > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete> > > yet…Pradeep> > > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her> > > arrows….> > > >> > > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have> our> > > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see> > > whether they> > > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come> > forward> > > and> > > > reveal your hidden tenets.> > > >> > > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh ji,> > will> > > you> > > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat out…> > > >> > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> > > stars….> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >>

May 4, 2008

Dear Pradeep ji,

"Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.Howeverthrough own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the canvasfor hard work."

I have noticed this characteristic any many 1985 borns, with Neecha Guru aspected by Saturn and exalted in Navamsa:)

blessings

Renu , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or 26> hours day.> > 1.Looks & physical features> > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives energetic> and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from chandra> lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine> qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any problems> related to speech or some limb?> > 2. Personality traits and nature> Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having navamsha in> the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.> > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in the> house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge in many> Shasthras.> 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and> intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.> > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However> through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the canvas> for hard work.> > 3. Family, parents, etc> > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having> navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th lord> etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th lord> debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.> > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through> mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health difficulties can> also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there are> possibilities.> > > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.> > 4. Siblings> > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or 1981 -> Problem for a sibling.> > 5. Education> > Post graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business. Many> degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.> > 6. Profession> > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter aspecting> 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and is> placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th from> moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive towards> profession and will rise very high.> I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious metals> etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic> interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great> research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.> > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or chemist> as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an artist> perfecting and oozing rasa:-).> > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained powerful> dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance the> professional potential .> > 7. Marriage> > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or some> difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.> > 8. Children> > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th> lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and> karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited> progeny,if any.> > 9. Assets like properties etc.> > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional> houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through> inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.> > 10. Financial Status> Problems to save.> > 11. Social Status> High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has attained the> same rashi in multiple vargas.> > 12. Any other peculiarity> Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple relationships.> > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning> experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.> > Regards> > Pradeep> > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam ji> >> > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will give my> > understanding by tommorrow evening.> >> > Regds> > Pradeep> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the> > blind chart.> > >> > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best> > tools to> > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and give> > it a> > > shot.> > >> > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also> > said,> > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a> > person, we> > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.> > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any> > one person> > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us together> > can bring> > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the> > triumph> > > of astrology, the study.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> >>

May 4, 2008

Dear Chandr Hari ji and Pradeep ji,

'As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa"

Please correct me if I am wrong...but doesn't Budha aspect Venus , and vice-versa in rasi, i.e. Jaimini aspects?

blessings

Renu , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Pradeep,> > Happy to see the comments on navamsa and 5th house. But I could not> understand the statement like> > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus and also the statement that> Karakamsa Lagna is Tula.> > As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it> cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa.> > Taking Mesha as Navamsa Lagna and focussing on Navamsa, her marriage> must be during 14 December 1987 to 20 December 1987. I am giving the> shortest span that can be pinpointed.> > chandra hari> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Neelam ji> >> > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or 26> > hours day.> >> > 1.Looks & physical features> >> > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives energetic> > and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from chandra> > lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine> > qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any> problems> > related to speech or some limb?> >> > 2. Personality traits and nature> > Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having navamsha in> > the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.> >> > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in the> > house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge in> many> > Shasthras.> > 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and> > intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.> >> > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However> > through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the> canvas> > for hard work.> >> > 3. Family, parents, etc> >> > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having> > navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th lord> > etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th lord> > debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.> >> > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through> > mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health difficulties> can> > also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there are> > possibilities.> >> >> > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.> >> > 4. Siblings> >> > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or 1981 -> > Problem for a sibling.> >> > 5. Education> >> > Post graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business.> Many> > degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.> >> > 6. Profession> >> > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter aspecting> > 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and is> > placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th from> > moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive towards> > profession and will rise very high.> > I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious> metals> > etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic> > interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great> > research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.> >> > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or> chemist> > as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an artist> > perfecting and oozing rasa:-).> >> > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained powerful> > dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance the> > professional potential .> >> > 7. Marriage> >> > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or> some> > difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.> >> > 8. Children> >> > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th> > lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and> > karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited> > progeny,if any.> >> > 9. Assets like properties etc.> >> > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional> > houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through> > inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.> >> > 10. Financial Status> > Problems to save.> >> > 11. Social Status> > High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has attained> the> > same rashi in multiple vargas.> >> > 12. Any other peculiarity> > Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple> relationships.> >> > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning> > experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.> >> > Regards> >> > Pradeep> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji> > >> > > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will give> my> > > understanding by tommorrow evening.> > >> > > Regds> > > Pradeep> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the> > > blind chart.> > > >> > > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the best> > > tools to> > > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and give> > > it a> > > > shot.> > > >> > > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji also> > > said,> > > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we know a> > > person, we> > > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting techniques.> > > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners. Any> > > one person> > > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us together> > > can bring> > > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be the> > > triumph> > > > of astrology, the study.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >>

May 4, 2008

Dear Renuji,

Happy to know that you are a Buddhist. Buddha is one of the first revolutionaries historically remembered for crossing swords with orthodoxy and priestly frauds. I have read about his life and it touched me to the core when I read that after Rahul's initiation, he did not reverse it even on the request of his old father Suddhodana. He stuck to what he did and so fierce was his spirit.

He was not a Vedic Kshatriya, security guards for Aryan priestly class, by birth. He belonged to a martial race in which marriage to cousin was allowed. Suddhodana and Siddharth had married cousins, paternal aunt's daughters. We must place Buddha against the right social background to understand the revolution he initiated.

Today the times are as bad as of Buddha's times. Priestly class is back to frauds to exploit the society. Jyotisha is commercialized beyond all limits by people having limitations. And some foolish guys have taken on the mantle of Head Priests to befool the public with claims of researches...

We Indians irrespective of being Hindu, Buddhists or Jains or Muslims, have a tradition of being surrendered to our Kuladevi - she is our Guru and only Guru. We must bank on Her grace and strive for true wisdom instead of 'bottled' nonsense labeled as wisdom.

Kulapati KM Munshi had founded Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and would have earnestly hoped that the institution should not become prey in the hands of men of vested interests. But see today, BVB and its name is being misused to develop the personal clout of a man who has declared himself the Head Priest of astrology. I am critical here of such people to see that young students are not misled into such pockets of bias and misinformation under the labels of the great Institution began by Sri KM Munshi.

For your information I would like to add that despite the intervention of the high officials of BVB, I was not allowed to have an interaction with the students of Jyotisha at BVB on the topic of ayanamsa, Jyotisha and Yoga, experience of the Cosmos and spirituality etc which have been topics of my research. Since early 1990s I had rubbished the researches of this Head Priest in Delhi and so he had prevented me to stop the truths from entering the minds of BVB students.

I owe no personal allegiance to anyone. I am a disciple of Bhavani, Great Mother and not just Mother as the Head Priest claims. I am a disciple of Sambhu who makes Cobra his garland and not of a few saffron clad guys scared of Cobra whose grace the Head Priest claims. We need people who are open up... every research has to be dissected and critically examined and sincere efforts must be to coordinate all intelligent people to understand and apply the classical principles. Random and chaotic research cannot do any good to Jyotisha. We must understand the limitations of Jyotisha and the fact that remarkable predictions do not add to the glory of Jyotisha. Predictive stories only add to personal prestige. Anybody seriously into astrology for few decades can cull out some 50 instances of remarkable hits - yes, even I can write the way the Head Priest is doing, to impress the public. But I did not take such path as I had more serious studies at hand and had to publish my works in standard journals to enhance the credibility of Indian heritage. But the Head Priest is not impressed as he need only output from sycophants to feed the poor students who have fallen victims to his nonsense...

So don't think that my criticism is unfounded. No Head Priest other than Sambhu should not be tolerated in Jyotisha. And I want to convey this message to all. No shadow boxing - I have an open challenge to the self styled Head Priest, Sri KN Rao for an open discussion on his researches and pseudo spiritual claims.

chandra hari

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > "All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru"> > I agree. I may add that all human teachers have limitations.> > Anyway for those who are not versed in Sanskrit, the only source of> learning is books written in English, and one must admit when the style> of writing is appealing, the readers are naturally attracted. I don't> know about pitfalls...but I would surely keep a ladder to climb up in> case I fall down.........I am open to learn the 'most correct' version> irrespective of the writer..> > I read each and every post with lot of enthusiams and try to grasp the> basics and let me take this opportunity to thank you and all others for> step by step analyses on the 'Blind Chart'. They are indeed lessons > for learners like me.> > If any astrologer could forsee the future 100% and also could depict the> past like a piecture book...he would be equivalent to a Buddha......and> to find Buddhas in this era will be more difficut than finding a needle> in a hay-stack. As a Buddhist that is how I feel....and I don't discard> the validity of your statement too...> > "Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them> sincerely under the grace of Great Mother."> > blessings> > Renu> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Renuji,> >> > Thank you for pointing out the matter. We ordinary mortals can only> > crawl in astrology. I am against some researchers because they have> > made pits for the crawling students to fall. So there is urgent need> to> > caution them.> >> > DT is a Rao_pit dug to perpetuate his name as a researcher in> astrology> > and so I want to see that it is dumped to hell. In the mortuary book I> > quoted, all the BVB teachers under Rao have published their papers. Is> > there any such researcher who can put down a single line on any chart> > correctly with their researches?> >> > All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru. Be> attached> > to her than carrying the nonsense baggage of so called researchers.> > Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them> sincerely> > under the grace of Great Mother.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > >> > > 'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in> > > which she got married"> > >> > > I think you missed the following in an earlier post.> > >> > > 'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,> > > i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiter> > > and Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage."> > >> > > I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in> > > astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage. ........> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear group,> > > > >> > > > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses> > > coming> > > > up?> > > > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they> coming> > > out> > > > of> > > > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> > > > >> > > > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I> > thought> > > > your> > > > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and> principles.> > > > We're> > > > > waiting….> > > > >> > > > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete> > > > yet…Pradeep> > > > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her> > > > arrows….> > > > >> > > > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have> > our> > > > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see> > > > whether they> > > > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come> > > forward> > > > and> > > > > reveal your hidden tenets.> > > > >> > > > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh> ji,> > > will> > > > you> > > > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat> out…> > > > >> > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> > > > stars….> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 4, 2008

Dear Renuji,

Yes. But how Venus is aspecting Karakamsa and how Karakamsa can be

Tula? Moon aspects Vrshabha in Rasi. Vrsha is not aspectd by Budha in

Rasi if we are to place Karakamsa in Rasi for interpretation. I think

this is a running controversy in Jaimini - whether to read Karakamsa

result in Navamsa-Kundali or Rasi-Kundali?

chandra hari

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandr Hari ji and Pradeep ji,

>

> 'As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it

> cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa "

>

> Please correct me if I am wrong...but doesn't Budha aspect Venus , and

> vice-versa in rasi, i.e. Jaimini aspects?

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Happy to see the comments on navamsa and 5th house. But I could not

> > understand the statement like

> >

> > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus and also the statement

> that

> > Karakamsa Lagna is Tula.

> >

> > As I could see Atmakaraka is Budha and Karakamsa is Vrshabha. And it

> > cannot be aspected by Venus in rasi or navamsa.

> >

> > Taking Mesha as Navamsa Lagna and focussing on Navamsa, her marriage

> > must be during 14 December 1987 to 20 December 1987. I am giving the

> > shortest span that can be pinpointed.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji

> > >

> > > Sorry for the delayed reply.I would seriously propose for a 25 or

26

> > > hours day.

> > >

> > > 1.Looks & physical features

> > >

> > > Aspect of Mars as mentioned earlier by other members, gives

> energetic

> > > and young outlook.Thula is also Karakamsha Lagna apart from

chandra

> > > lagna having moon aspected by lord Venus.Soft skills and feminine

> > > qualities,beauty.6th lord in 5th.Stomach problems,diseases.Any

> > problems

> > > related to speech or some limb?

> > >

> > > 2. Personality traits and nature

> > > Vakra 6th lord in 5th,in kuja khsethra.Mars & Venus having

navamsha

> in

> > > the 5th - Multiple affairs.Passion towards work.

> > >

> > > Karakamsha is having moon aspected by Venus.Vargottama Venus in

the

> > > house of Pratibha aspected by moon -Artistic talents & knowledge

in

> > many

> > > Shasthras.

> > > 8th lord and 6th lord in mutual aspect.Eccentric and

> > > intelligent.Interest in occult ,and other research.

> > >

> > > Guru attaining neecha bhanga.Luck will not come that easy.However

> > > through own efforts will rise very high.Saturn dasha provided the

> > canvas

> > > for hard work.

> > >

> > > 3. Family, parents, etc

> > >

> > > Mother(4th house influences) - 9th lord,surya,guru having

> > > navamsha,debilitated lord,aspect of saturn,aspect of mars on 4th

> lord

> > > etc are the major influences.From chandra, 4th lord in 4th,6th

lord

> > > debilitated in 4th.Karaka Moon aspected by shubha but rogesh.

> > >

> > > Mother can be famous or from a traditional family.Gains through

> > > mother/mothers side is foreseen.However serious health

difficulties

> > can

> > > also be seen.Immediately after birth or at the time of birth there

> are

> > > possibilities.

> > >

> > > Father(9th house influences) - Cannot say.

> > >

> > > 4. Siblings

> > >

> > > Yes.One elder and one younger.One sibling woul brother. 1978 or

1981

> -

> > > Problem for a sibling.

> > >

> > > 5. Education

> > >

> > > Post

graduation.Political,arecheological,antique,research,Business.

> > Many

> > > degrees or mastery over multiple subjects.

> > >

> > > 6. Profession

> > >

> > > Many planets aspecting Karma related bhavas.Sun,Mars,Jupiter

> aspecting

> > > 10th from Lagna.10th lord from chandra/karakamsha is chandra and

is

> > > placed in lagna.Saturn and Jupiter(exaltation place) aspect 10th

> from

> > > moon.Thus the lady will have tremendous enthusiasm and drive

towards

> > > profession and will rise very high.

> > > I cannot pin point but Archeological interests,antiques,precious

> > metals

> > > etc etc. A research scientist with business and aesthetic

> > > interests.Another possibility is an artist doing great

> > > research.Aesthetic touch is the common factor.

> > >

> > > Moon in karakamsha aspected by shukra can make one a rasavadi or

> > chemist

> > > as per jaimini.Chemical treatment of aesthetic items or even an

> artist

> > > perfecting and oozing rasa:-).

> > >

> > > 5th lord mars ,lagna lord guru,moon and saturn have attained

> powerful

> > > dashamshas.Guru has ttained navamsha in 4th.All these will enhance

> the

> > > professional potential .

> > >

> > > 7. Marriage

> > >

> > > Between 86 and 88,possibility of a marriage and also a breakage or

> > some

> > > difficulty or harm.Another relationship or marriage in 1997?.

> > >

> > > 8. Children

> > >

> > > This chart has potentials of miscarriages.Kuja kshethra with 6th

> > > lord.Ashtamesh and Kuja having amsha in 5th.5th from chandra and

> > > karakamsha has ketu and mercury.Dispositor placed in 12th.Limited

> > > progeny,if any.

> > >

> > > 9. Assets like properties etc.

> > >

> > > Possibilities of enjoying government or royal vehicles.Traditional

> > > houses.8th lord in 11th - good chance for gains through

> > > inheritance.Between 1998 to 1991 chance for fire/burning -house.

> > >

> > > 10. Financial Status

> > > Problems to save.

> > >

> > > 11. Social Status

> > > High due to hard work and some family inheritence.Venus has

attained

> > the

> > > same rashi in multiple vargas.

> > >

> > > 12. Any other peculiarity

> > > Multiple interests/Language skills/Poetic skills/Multiple

> > relationships.

> > >

> > > These are my attempts and thank you for providing this learning

> > > experience.Deciding Profession etc is never an easy task.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > ,

" vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the exercise.Please give me one more day.I will

give

> > my

> > > > understanding by tommorrow evening.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " neelam gupta "

> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am happy that many learned members are trying to attempt the

> > > > blind chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sure such exercises make us learn more and these are the

> best

> > > > tools to

> > > > > hone our skills. So I'll request everyone to come forward and

> give

> > > > it a

> > > > > shot.

> > > > >

> > > > > The beauty of the exercise lies in its blindness. As Sunil ji

> also

> > > > said,

> > > > > here we can apply the principles without any bias. When we

know

> a

> > > > person, we

> > > > > forget the principles and resort to our arm-twisting

techniques.

> > > > > Lets us not be afraid of going wrong as we are all learners.

Any

> > > > one person

> > > > > cannot draw 100 per cent correct inferences. If all of us

> together

> > > > can bring

> > > > > out a person in flesh and blood from the horoscope, it will be

> the

> > > > triumph

> > > > > of astrology, the study.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 4, 2008

Dear Chandra Ji, I have been following your posts quite closely and some of them are really good. Is there a way to speak to you over phone? Regards Lokeshchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: Dear Renuji, Happy to know that you are a Buddhist. Buddha is one of the first revolutionaries historically remembered for crossing swords with orthodoxy and priestly

frauds. I have read about his life and it touched me to the core when I read that after Rahul's initiation, he did not reverse it even on the request of his old father Suddhodana. He stuck to what he did and so fierce was his spirit. He was not a Vedic Kshatriya, security guards for Aryan priestly class, by birth. He belonged to a martial race in which marriage to cousin was allowed. Suddhodana and Siddharth had married cousins, paternal aunt's daughters. We must place Buddha against the right social background to understand the revolution he initiated. Today the times are as bad as of Buddha's times. Priestly class is back to frauds to exploit the society. Jyotisha is commercialized beyond all limits by people having limitations. And some foolish guys have taken on the mantle of Head Priests to befool the public with claims of researches... We Indians irrespective of being Hindu, Buddhists or Jains or Muslims, have a tradition of being surrendered to our Kuladevi - she is our Guru and only Guru. We must bank on Her grace and strive for true wisdom instead of 'bottled' nonsense labeled as wisdom. Kulapati KM Munshi had founded Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and would have earnestly hoped that the institution should not become prey in the hands of men of vested interests. But see today, BVB and its name is being misused to develop the personal clout of a man who has declared himself the Head Priest of astrology. I am critical here of such people to see that young students are not misled into such pockets of bias and misinformation under the labels of the great Institution began by Sri KM Munshi. For your information I would like to add that despite the intervention of the high officials of BVB, I

was not allowed to have an interaction with the students of Jyotisha at BVB on the topic of ayanamsa, Jyotisha and Yoga, experience of the Cosmos and spirituality etc which have been topics of my research. Since early 1990s I had rubbished the researches of this Head Priest in Delhi and so he had prevented me to stop the truths from entering the minds of BVB students. I owe no personal allegiance to anyone. I am a disciple of Bhavani, Great Mother and not just Mother as the Head Priest claims. I am a disciple of Sambhu who makes Cobra his garland and not of a few saffron clad guys scared of Cobra whose grace the Head Priest claims. We need people who are open up... every research has to be dissected and critically examined and sincere efforts must be to coordinate all intelligent people to understand and apply the classical principles. Random and chaotic research cannot do any good to Jyotisha. We must understand the

limitations of Jyotisha and the fact that remarkable predictions do not add to the glory of Jyotisha. Predictive stories only add to personal prestige. Anybody seriously into astrology for few decades can cull out some 50 instances of remarkable hits - yes, even I can write the way the Head Priest is doing, to impress the public. But I did not take such path as I had more serious studies at hand and had to publish my works in standard journals to enhance the credibility of Indian heritage. But the Head Priest is not impressed as he need only output from sycophants to feed the poor students who have fallen victims to his nonsense... So don't think that my criticism is unfounded. No Head Priest other than Sambhu should not be tolerated in Jyotisha. And I want to convey this message to all. No shadow boxing - I have an open challenge to the self styled Head Priest, Sri KN

Rao for an open discussion on his researches and pseudo spiritual claims. chandra hari , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > "All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru"> > I agree. I may add that all human teachers have limitations.> > Anyway for those who are not versed in Sanskrit, the only source of> learning is books written in English, and one must admit when the style> of writing is appealing, the readers are naturally attracted. I don't> know about pitfalls...but I would surely keep a ladder to climb up in> case I fall down.........I am open to learn the 'most correct' version> irrespective of the writer..> > I read each and every post with lot of

enthusiams and try to grasp the> basics and let me take this opportunity to thank you and all others for> step by step analyses on the 'Blind Chart'. They are indeed lessons > for learners like me.> > If any astrologer could forsee the future 100% and also could depict the> past like a piecture book...he would be equivalent to a Buddha......and> to find Buddhas in this era will be more difficut than finding a needle> in a hay-stack. As a Buddhist that is how I feel....and I don't discard> the validity of your statement too...> > "Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them> sincerely under the grace of Great Mother."> > blessings> > Renu> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear

Renuji,> >> > Thank you for pointing out the matter. We ordinary mortals can only> > crawl in astrology. I am against some researchers because they have> > made pits for the crawling students to fall. So there is urgent need> to> > caution them.> >> > DT is a Rao_pit dug to perpetuate his name as a researcher in> astrology> > and so I want to see that it is dumped to hell. In the mortuary book I> > quoted, all the BVB teachers under Rao have published their papers. Is> > there any such researcher who can put down a single line on any chart> > correctly with their researches?> >> > All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru. Be> attached> > to her than carrying the nonsense baggage of so called researchers.> > Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them>

sincerely> > under the grace of Great Mother.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > >> > > 'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in> > > which she got married"> > >> > > I think you missed the following in an earlier post.> > >> > > 'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,> > > i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiter> > > and Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage."> > >> > > I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in> > > astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage.

.........> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear group,> > > > >> > > > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more responses> > > coming> > > > up?> > > > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they> coming> > > out> > > > of> > > > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> > > > >> > > > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I> > thought> > > > your> > > > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and> principles.> > > > We're> > > > > waiting….> > > >

>> > > > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not complete> > > > yet…Pradeep> > > > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot her> > > > arrows….> > > > >> > > > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we have> > our> > > > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and see> > > > whether they> > > > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come> > > forward> > > > and> > > > > reveal your hidden tenets.> > > > >> > > > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh> ji,> > > will> > > > you> > > > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the

cat> out…> > > > >> > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> > > > stars….> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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May 4, 2008

Dear Chandra Hari ji,

"Buddha is one of the first revolutionaries historically remembered for crossing swords with orthodoxy and priestly frauds. I have read about his life and it touched me to the core when I read that after Rahul's initiation, he did not reverse it even on the request of his old father Suddhodana. He stuck to what he did and so fierce was his spirit. "

Exactly...and he always stuck to his theory. He could do so because it was the 'absolute truth'. He was the only non-violent true socialist + revolutionist that ever tread this earth. His first meeting after attaining Buddhahood, with his father King Suddhodhana, was indeed touching. The king could not bear to see his princely son, clad in an ordinary robe going house to house with a begging bowl. He felt so insulted and humiliated and said that it was not the custom of the Ksastriya race to do so. But Buddha simply answered that it was the custom of 'his' race, which was ......."Not of a mortal line, but of a descent invisible, The Buddhas who have been and who shall be: Of these am I , and what they did I do...".

"I was not allowed to have an interaction with the students of Jyotisha at BVB on the topic of ayanamsa, Jyotisha and Yoga, experience of the Cosmos and spirituality etc which have been topics of my research. Since early 1990s I had rubbished the researches of this Head Priest in Delhi and so he had prevented me to stop the truths from entering the minds of BVB students. "

I agree that an open debate would have solved many controvercies and helped every astro learner. One should not be worried about another's intevention, if one believes in one's theories ..yet open to accept the truth if one is proved wrong. Not self achievement but self liberation should be the right path to follow.

"So don't think that my criticism is unfounded"

Your sincerity is obvious...... I admire your spirit

blessings

Renu

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Renuji,> > Happy to know that you are a Buddhist. Buddha is one of the first> revolutionaries historically remembered for crossing swords with> orthodoxy and priestly frauds. I have read about his life and it touched> me to the core when I read that after Rahul's initiation, he did not> reverse it even on the request of his old father Suddhodana. He stuck to> what he did and so fierce was his spirit.> > He was not a Vedic Kshatriya, security guards for Aryan priestly class,> by birth. He belonged to a martial race in which marriage to cousin was> allowed. Suddhodana and Siddharth had married cousins, paternal aunt's> daughters. We must place Buddha against the right social background to> understand the revolution he initiated.> > Today the times are as bad as of Buddha's times. Priestly class is back> to frauds to exploit the society. Jyotisha is commercialized beyond all> limits by people having limitations. And some foolish guys have taken on> the mantle of Head Priests to befool the public with claims of> researches...> > We Indians irrespective of being Hindu, Buddhists or Jains or Muslims,> have a tradition of being surrendered to our Kuladevi - she is our Guru> and only Guru. We must bank on Her grace and strive for true wisdom> instead of 'bottled' nonsense labeled as wisdom.> > Kulapati KM Munshi had founded Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and would have> earnestly hoped that the institution should not become prey in the hands> of men of vested interests. But see today, BVB and its name is being> misused to develop the personal clout of a man who has declared himself> the Head Priest of astrology. I am critical here of such people to see> that young students are not misled into such pockets of bias and> misinformation under the labels of the great Institution began by Sri KM> Munshi.> > For your information I would like to add that despite the intervention> of the high officials of BVB, I was not allowed to have an interaction> with the students of Jyotisha at BVB on the topic of ayanamsa, Jyotisha> and Yoga, experience of the Cosmos and spirituality etc which have been> topics of my research. Since early 1990s I had rubbished the researches> of this Head Priest in Delhi and so he had prevented me to stop the> truths from entering the minds of BVB students.> > I owe no personal allegiance to anyone. I am a disciple of Bhavani,> Great Mother and not just Mother as the Head Priest claims. I am a> disciple of Sambhu who makes Cobra his garland and not of a few saffron> clad guys scared of Cobra whose grace the Head Priest claims. We need> people who are open up... every research has to be dissected and> critically examined and sincere efforts must be to coordinate all> intelligent people to understand and apply the classical principles.> Random and chaotic research cannot do any good to Jyotisha. We must> understand the limitations of Jyotisha and the fact that remarkable> predictions do not add to the glory of Jyotisha. Predictive stories only> add to personal prestige. Anybody seriously into astrology for few> decades can cull out some 50 instances of remarkable hits - yes, even I> can write the way the Head Priest is doing, to impress the public. But I> did not take such path as I had more serious studies at hand and had to> publish my works in standard journals to enhance the credibility of> Indian heritage. But the Head Priest is not impressed as he need only> output from sycophants to feed the poor students who have fallen victims> to his nonsense...> > So don't think that my criticism is unfounded. No Head Priest other than> Sambhu should not be tolerated in Jyotisha. And I want to convey this> message to all. No shadow boxing - I have an open challenge to the self> styled Head Priest, Sri KN Rao for an open discussion on his researches> and pseudo spiritual claims.> > chandra hari> > > > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> >> > "All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru"> >> > I agree. I may add that all human teachers have limitations.> >> > Anyway for those who are not versed in Sanskrit, the only source of> > learning is books written in English, and one must admit when the> style> > of writing is appealing, the readers are naturally attracted. I don't> > know about pitfalls...but I would surely keep a ladder to climb up in> > case I fall down.........I am open to learn the 'most correct' version> > irrespective of the writer..> >> > I read each and every post with lot of enthusiams and try to grasp the> > basics and let me take this opportunity to thank you and all others> for> > step by step analyses on the 'Blind Chart'. They are indeed lessons> > for learners like me.> >> > If any astrologer could forsee the future 100% and also could depict> the> > past like a piecture book...he would be equivalent to a> Buddha......and> > to find Buddhas in this era will be more difficut than finding a> needle> > in a hay-stack. As a Buddhist that is how I feel....and I don't> discard> > the validity of your statement too...> >> > "Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them> > sincerely under the grace of Great Mother."> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Renuji,> > >> > > Thank you for pointing out the matter. We ordinary mortals can only> > > crawl in astrology. I am against some researchers because they have> > > made pits for the crawling students to fall. So there is urgent need> > to> > > caution them.> > >> > > DT is a Rao_pit dug to perpetuate his name as a researcher in> > astrology> > > and so I want to see that it is dumped to hell. In the mortuary book> I> > > quoted, all the BVB teachers under Rao have published their papers.> Is> > > there any such researcher who can put down a single line on any> chart> > > correctly with their researches?> > >> > > All human teachers are imitations. Bhavani is the real Guru. Be> > attached> > > to her than carrying the nonsense baggage of so called researchers.> > > Everything is there in classics and we need only to learn them> > sincerely> > > under the grace of Great Mother.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > > , "renunw" renunw@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > > >> > > > 'None is applying the double transit theory to predict the year in> > > > which she got married"> > > >> > > > I think you missed the following in an earlier post.> > > >> > > > 'She would have got married during Me/Ve Vimsottari dasha period,> > > > i.e. somewhere in the 2nd half of 1998. Double transit of Jupiter> > > > and Saturn affects her 7H around this time...A love marriage."> > > >> > > > I don't know how far I am correct since I am at crawling stage in> > > > astrology. Yet....1998 denotes a very late marriage. ........> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear group,> > > > > >> > > > > > The blind chart exercise is still on. Why aren't more> responses> > > > coming> > > > > up?> > > > > > Where are the REAL ASTROLOGERS SREENADH ji? Why aren't they> > coming> > > > out> > > > > of> > > > > > their hidings to share their knowledge with all of us.> > > > > >> > > > > > And Leela Madhav ji, we have great expectations from you! I> > > thought> > > > > your> > > > > > analysis will bring forth some special techniques and> > principles.> > > > > We're> > > > > > waiting….> > > > > >> > > > > > Even Sreenadhji's list of expected participants is not> complete> > > > > yet…Pradeep> > > > > > ji please send your analysis....Vinita ji still has to shoot> her> > > > > arrows….> > > > > >> > > > > > I know many of us form our own thumb rules and opinions, we> have> > > our> > > > > > time-tested theories and dictums…why not apply them and> see> > > > > whether they> > > > > > pass one more test…we must dare! So all of you please come> > > > forward> > > > > and> > > > > > reveal your hidden tenets.> > > > > >> > > > > > I think we can wait for 2-3 days for more responses. Sreenadh> > ji,> > > > will> > > > > you> > > > > > please fix the dead lines and tell me when to let the cat> > out…> > > > > >> > > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the> > > > > stars….> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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