Parivartan_Yogas

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Dear Members,

 

Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those

endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.

 

The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan

Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called

Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

 

Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}

& special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

 

If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives

in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards

positive in this discussion.

 

Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of

the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

value.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to be good too. For

eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad

health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native

suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would

recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana

gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what

could be the planets like. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in

exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a

bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both

are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the

ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more,

their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things

better

Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729On Jan 13, 2008 11:40 AM, sreeram srinivas <

sreeram64 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those

endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.

 

The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan

Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called

Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

 

Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}

& special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

 

If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives

in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards

positive in this discussion.

 

Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of

the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

value.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Sreeram-ji,

 

Khala Yoga (combination of wickedness):

If any lord of the first, second, fourth, fifth, seventh, ninth,

tenth or the eleventh house changes place with the lord of the third,

it is called Khala Yoga. For example, the lord of the tenth is in the

third and the lord of the third in the tenth; or the lord of the

third in the fourth and lord of the fourth in the third. This is a

bad Yoga called Khala.

 

Here's a native with Khala Yoga:

Gibson, Mel

 

Natal Chart

 

January 3, 1956

Time: 16:45:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 73 W 55' 00 " , 41 N 17' 00 "

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

His life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson

 

I wouldn't call him a wicked man!

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave

those

> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

>

> The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

>

> Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha

Yogas}

> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

>

> If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> positive in this discussion.

>

> Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa

of

> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

> value.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit......I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.....but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures & experience......"like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities...." { humor}

Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.....He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present.....

Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their selection of postings to be read....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729

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Dear Srinivasji,here's an example of parivartan yoga, also a khal yog at the same time.native is male DOB 28.11.62/TOB 1.45 AM/POB Rohtak, HaryanaHe has an exchange of 3rd lord Mars who happens to be the 8L also with 11th lord Moon.

Both the planets in parivartan are debilitated.The native has seen a lot of miseries in life.he hasn't yet experienced the MD of moon or mars, yet all the concerned ADs had been troublesome.To cite some examples:

When he was about 5 years during Mer-moon he lost his brother (see the presence of 12L with LL mer in 3rd house with the parivartan yoga). According to BPHS, a person loses his co-born if 3L is in debilitation and mars is conjunct Rahu)

 

In Mer-mars he almost lost his arm which got burnt with boiling milk!!! (again the afflicted 3L mars who's also 8L with 12L sun)In the beginning of Sun-Moon at the start of 2005, his mother was detected with terminal stage of cancer.

She underwent surgery and treatments during his Sun-moon and sun-mars periods and finally died in sun-jupas for his life in general, he is not doing well financially despite having good professional education. All his ventures as a rule result into losses.

So much for the negativity. There is also no support from the kendras.For the positive side, the person is valorous like a lion (LL in 3H as per BPHS). Bears all with a grin, has a lot of friends and is ever ready to help others. (3-11 exchange) I would appreciate if other views on such a coombinationRegardsNeelam GuptaOn 13/01/2008, sreeram srinivas <

sreeram64 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those

endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.

 

The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan

Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called

Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

 

Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}

& special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

 

If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives

in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards

positive in this discussion.

 

Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of

the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

value.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dr. Neelam Guptaji....namaste

 

Thanks for that good feedback....the presentation & highlighting key

points in brief is excellent....hope others also provide on the similar

focussed postings

 

with regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivasji,

> here's an example of parivartan yoga, also a khal yog at the same

time.

> native is male DOB 28.11.62/TOB 1.45 AM/POB Rohtak, Haryana

> He has an exchange of 3rd lord Mars who happens to be the 8L also with

11th

> lord Moon.

> Both the planets in parivartan are debilitated.

> The native has seen a lot of miseries in life.

> he hasn't yet experienced the MD of moon or mars, yet all the

concerned ADs

> had been troublesome.

> To cite some examples:

> When he was about 5 years during Mer-moon he lost his brother (see the

> presence of 12L with LL mer in 3rd house with the parivartan yoga).

> According to BPHS, a person loses his co-born if 3L is in debilitation

and

> mars is conjunct Rahu)

> In Mer-mars he almost lost his arm which got burnt with boiling

milk!!!

> (again the afflicted 3L mars who's also 8L with 12L sun)

> In the beginning of Sun-Moon at the start of 2005, his mother was

detected

> with terminal stage of cancer.

> She underwent surgery and treatments during his Sun-moon and sun-mars

> periods and finally died in sun-jup

> as for his life in general, he is not doing well financially despite

having

> good professional education. All his ventures as a rule result into

losses.

> So much for the negativity. There is also no support from the kendras.

> For the positive side, the person is valorous like a lion (LL in 3H as

per

> BPHS). Bears all with a grin, has a lot of friends and is ever ready

to help

> others. (3-11 exchange)

> I would appreciate if other views on such a coombination

> Regards

> Neelam Gupta

>

> On 13/01/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave

those

> > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

> >

> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> > Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called

> > Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

> >

> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha

Yogas}

> > & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

> >

> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> > in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> > positive in this discussion.

> >

> > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa

of

> > the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

> > value.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Mr. Patnaik,

I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH.

In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY , WILL GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children.

8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross currents in the nativity

and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in totality. As an example, I mention two cases,

1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are in debility in navamsa chart.

This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children.

2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca charts,

this has eclipsed all other good yogas,

Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life.

I do not contradict any persons view , but no doubt each yoga has his implications.

Best regards,

 

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Sent: Sunday, 13 January, 2008 4:22:23 PM Re: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

Dear Members,

Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit...... I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.... .but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures & experience.. ...."like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities. ..." { humor}

Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.... .He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present.....

Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their selection of postings to be read....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by

her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like.. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729

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Thanks Srinivasji,As suggested by you I am giving here the details of the native:DOB 28.11.62/ TOB 1.45 AM/ POB Rohtak, HaryanaLagan Virgo, 2H VeR3H Su, Me, Moon

5H Sat, Ke6H Ju11H Mars, RahuI know the native quite closely and this chart serves as an appropriate toolto study parivartan yog and neech planets. You will notice how the 3L/8L mars (the parivartan star!!) has in his grip all the planets in this chart -- aspecting VeR by 4th aspect, Sa/ke by 7th aspect, Ju by 8th and LL and luminaries in martian/exchange sign. Practically the chart is governed by Mars who is the most malefic

planet for virgo lagan.The native has, on several occasions, suffered for the lack of good planetary positions.I can provide more instances of inauspicious ADs & PDs in this chart.warm regardsNeelam

On 13/01/2008, sreeram srinivas

<sreeram64 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dr. Neelam Guptaji....namaste

 

Thanks for that good feedback....the presentation & highlighting key

points in brief is excellent....hope others also provide on the similar

focussed postings

 

with regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, " neelam gupta "

 

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivasji,

> here's an example of parivartan yoga, also a khal yog at the same

time.

> native is male DOB 28.11.62/TOB 1.45 AM/POB Rohtak, Haryana

> He has an exchange of 3rd lord Mars who happens to be the 8L also with

11th

> lord Moon.

> Both the planets in parivartan are debilitated.

> The native has seen a lot of miseries in life.

> he hasn't yet experienced the MD of moon or mars, yet all the

concerned ADs

> had been troublesome.

> To cite some examples:

> When he was about 5 years during Mer-moon he lost his brother (see the

> presence of 12L with LL mer in 3rd house with the parivartan yoga).

> According to BPHS, a person loses his co-born if 3L is in debilitation

and

> mars is conjunct Rahu)

> In Mer-mars he almost lost his arm which got burnt with boiling

milk!!!

> (again the afflicted 3L mars who's also 8L with 12L sun)

> In the beginning of Sun-Moon at the start of 2005, his mother was

detected

> with terminal stage of cancer.

> She underwent surgery and treatments during his Sun-moon and sun-mars

> periods and finally died in sun-jup

> as for his life in general, he is not doing well financially despite

having

> good professional education. All his ventures as a rule result into

losses.

> So much for the negativity. There is also no support from the kendras.

> For the positive side, the person is valorous like a lion (LL in 3H as

per

> BPHS). Bears all with a grin, has a lot of friends and is ever ready

to help

> others. (3-11 exchange)

> I would appreciate if other views on such a coombination

> Regards

> Neelam Gupta

>

> On 13/01/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave

those

> > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

> >

> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> > Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called

> > Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

> >

> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha

Yogas}

> > & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

> >

> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> > in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> > positive in this discussion.

> >

> > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa

of

> > the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much

> > value.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Goel Saab,

 

Can you provide birth details of the native your referred where TRIK

Lords were in exalted in their amsa positions.....should the data be

confidential provide us the Natal+Amsa positions with dasha atleast

Balance of Dasha or running dasha with start or end dates...so that

people can work forward or backwards....!!

 

Can you tell us the source of Mr. N.D. Tiwari....??.....if it is from

Sri K.N. Rao's database or website then ok....clarification helps us...

 

Well Goel saab, feel free to contradict....at will.....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

Dear Mr. Patnaik,

I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the

exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE

FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH.

In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY ,

WILL GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children.

8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in

life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross

currents in the nativity

and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in

totality. As an example, I mention two cases,

1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has

Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are

in debility in navamsa chart.

This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children.

2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong

nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca

charts,

this has eclipsed all other good yogas,

Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life.

I do not contradict any persons view , but no doubt each yoga has his

implications.

Best regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

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Dear members,

 

An elementary question on Parivartana Yoga..

 

Scorpio (Mars & Ketu) and Aquarius (Saturn & Rahu) have

two lords. In that case, partial parivartana may happen

in few cases.. Will that be considered Parivartana Yoga ?

 

In one chart I saw, the placement was like this ..

 

Mars in Gemini

Mercury + Sun in Scorpio

Ketu (+some planets) in Leo.

 

Can it be considered that.....

 

Mars in Gemini is in Parivartana Yoga with Mer in Scorpio &

Ketu in Leo is in Parivartana Yoga with Sun in Scorpio ?

 

'Looking forward to replies.

 

With best regards

 

Chakraborty

Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937]Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:37 PM Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit Re: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Patnaik,

I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH.

In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY , WILL GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children.

8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross currents in the nativity

and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in totality. As an example, I mention two cases,

1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are in debility in navamsa chart.

This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children.

2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca charts,

this has eclipsed all other good yogas,

Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life.

I do not contradict any persons view , but no doubt each yoga has his implications.

Best regards,

 

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> Sent: Sunday, 13 January, 2008 4:22:23 PM Re: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

Dear Members,

Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit...... I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.... .but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures & experience.. ...."like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities. ..." { humor}

Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.... .He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present.....

Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their selection of postings to be read....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like.. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729

 

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Dear Chakraborty, In case of joint ownership, one should look at the stronger of the two planets to decide the lordship and accordingly see if there is a parivartana or not. Regards, Krishna"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear members, An elementary question on Parivartana Yoga.. Scorpio (Mars & Ketu) and Aquarius (Saturn & Rahu) have two lords. In that case, partial parivartana may happen in few cases.. Will that be considered Parivartana Yoga ? In one chart I saw, the placement was like this .. Mars in Gemini Mercury + Sun in Scorpio Ketu (+some planets) in Leo. Can it be considered that..... Mars in Gemini is in Parivartana Yoga with Mer in Scorpio & Ketu in Leo is in Parivartana Yoga with Sun in Scorpio ? 'Looking forward to replies. With best regards Chakraborty Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:37 PM Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit Re: Parivartan_Yogas Dear Mr. Patnaik, I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH. In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY , WILL

GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children. 8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross currents in the nativity and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in totality. As an example, I mention two cases, 1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are in debility in navamsa chart. This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children. 2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca charts, this has eclipsed all other good yogas, Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life. I do not contradict any persons view

, but no doubt each yoga has his implications. Best regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> Sent: Sunday, 13 January, 2008 4:22:23 PM Re: Parivartan_Yogas Dear Members, Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit...... I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been

practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.... .but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures & experience.. ...."like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities. ..." { humor} Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.... .He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present..... Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their

selection of postings to be read.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person

could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like.. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Dear Krishna-ji,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

So, at first, the strength of planet/lords to be checked.

 

In the cited example, there is another complicacy.

 

The planets in scorpio (Mer+Sun) is getting Parivartana with two

different houses - Gemini (Mars) and Leo (Ketu).

 

So, based on the planetary strengths, one of the parivartana yoga

will prevail. Am I right so far ?

 

'Looking forward to replies.

 

With best regards

 

Chakraborty

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama [krishna_1998]Monday, January 14, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

Dear Chakraborty,

 

In case of joint ownership, one should look at the stronger of the two planets to decide the lordship and accordingly see if there is a parivartana or not.

 

Regards,

Krishna"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear members,

 

An elementary question on Parivartana Yoga..

 

Scorpio (Mars & Ketu) and Aquarius (Saturn & Rahu) have

two lords. In that case, partial parivartana may happen

in few cases.. Will that be considered Parivartana Yoga ?

 

In one chart I saw, the placement was like this ..

 

Mars in Gemini

Mercury + Sun in Scorpio

Ketu (+some planets) in Leo.

 

Can it be considered that.....

 

Mars in Gemini is in Parivartana Yoga with Mer in Scorpio &

Ketu in Leo is in Parivartana Yoga with Sun in Scorpio ?

 

'Looking forward to replies.

 

With best regards

 

Chakraborty

Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:37 PM Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit Re: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Patnaik,

I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH.

In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY , WILL GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children.

8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross currents in the nativity

and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in totality. As an example, I mention two cases,

1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are in debility in navamsa chart.

This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children.

2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca charts,

this has eclipsed all other good yogas,

Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life.

I do not contradict any persons view , but no doubt each yoga has his implications.

Best regards,

 

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> Sent: Sunday, 13 January, 2008 4:22:23 PM Re: Parivartan_Yogas

 

 

Dear Members,

Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit...... I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.... .but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures & experience.. ...."like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities. ..." { humor}

Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.... .He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present.....

Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their selection of postings to be read....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like.. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729

 

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Dear Sreeram ji,

"Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave thoseendless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology."

Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun & 7HL Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by step raising her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a very young age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a huge headache to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in their old age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

blessings

Renu

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards> positive in this discussion.> > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much> value.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Dear Renuji, It will be interesting if you kindly post the birth details. Remember that Saturn and Sun are enemies- both being very strong planets. The particular position of Moon in which house, rasi and lunar asterism will help in this case. regards, Kishore patnaik On Jan 14, 2008 3:28 PM, renunw <renunw wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreeram ji,

" Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave thoseendless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology. "

 

Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun & 7HL Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by step raising her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a very young age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a huge headache to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in their old age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

 

blessings

Renu

, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,

> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan

> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards> positive in this discussion.> > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of

> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much> value.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Dear Chakraborty, So, based on the planetary strengths, one of the parivartana yoga will prevail. Am I right so far ? [krishna]Yes, you are correct. Regards, Krishna"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear Krishna-ji, Thanks for the reply. So, at first, the strength of planet/lords to be checked. In the cited example, there is another complicacy. The planets in scorpio (Mer+Sun) is getting Parivartana with two different houses - Gemini (Mars) and Leo (Ketu). So, based on the planetary strengths, one of the parivartana yoga will prevail. Am I right so far ? 'Looking forward to replies. With best regards Chakraborty Krishnamurthy Seetharama [krishna_1998 ]Monday, January 14, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: RE: Parivartan_Yogas Dear Chakraborty, In case of joint ownership, one should look at the

stronger of the two planets to decide the lordship and accordingly see if there is a parivartana or not. Regards, Krishna"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear members, An elementary question on Parivartana Yoga.. Scorpio (Mars & Ketu) and Aquarius (Saturn & Rahu) have two lords. In that case, partial parivartana may happen in few cases.. Will that be considered Parivartana Yoga ? In one chart I saw, the placement was like this .. Mars in Gemini Mercury +

Sun in Scorpio Ketu (+some planets) in Leo. Can it be considered that..... Mars in Gemini is in Parivartana Yoga with Mer in Scorpio & Ketu in Leo is in Parivartana Yoga with Sun in Scorpio ? 'Looking forward to replies. With best regards Chakraborty Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:37 PM Cc: sohamsa;

Dikshit Re: Parivartan_Yogas Dear Mr. Patnaik, I absolutely agree with you , but if a question is raised about the exchange of 5HL and 8HL with out giving any other information , THE FIRST REACTION IA THAT THIS IS A KHAL YOGA TO BEGIN WITH. In your example , Saturn is in ARIES , being 6HL in 8H IN DEBILITY , WILL GENERATE vipreet raj yoga but will be bad for health and children. 8HL in 5H in exaltation may bring the downfall of native some time in life. However as you have mentioned , Exchange generate powerful cross currents in the nativity and need to be evaluated on the basis of analysis of nativity in totality. As an example, I mention two cases, 1. Shri N. D. Tiwari -presently

Governor of Andhara Pradesh - He has Virgo Lagna - lords of 6H Saturn , 8H Mars and 12H Sun , all three are in debility in navamsa chart. This has generated Raj Yoga par-excellent, but he had no children. 2. Few days back some one came to consult me and was having a strong nativity, but all the three TKIK lords were in exaltation in Navamca charts, this has eclipsed all other good yogas, Khal Yogas do have their implications in native's life. I do not contradict any persons view , but no doubt each yoga has his implications. Best regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> Sent: Sunday, 13 January, 2008 4:22:23 PM Re: Parivartan_Yogas Dear Members, Just a few words on Mr. Kishore Patnaik, who is a Hyderabad based professional astrologer, with some delicate predictions to his credit...... I know him personally and is well read subject of Sanskrit. He has been practising for many years now..... He has good educational background and currently works in Hyderabad holding a responsible position and a respectable figure in his office domain. Astrology is a hobby for him, he was in VA forums for long & was also involved in free readings.... .but now stopped it for obvious "email box" issues. He speaks from scriptures

& experience.. ...."like our own Mr. Sunil Nair.....both have similar traits.....heavy weight personalities. ..." { humor} Mr. Kishore Patnaik is long married to astrology for many years now......i.e He is a still a bachelor.... .He has many ideas of starting some astrology teaching sessions there in his region....for currently there are NONE at present..... Just sharing few things that I know about him......so that may help members in their selection of postings to be read.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: Dear srinivas, We have discussed sometime ago on the exchange of 5th and 8th Lords. My views are reproduced here: Dear

Goel, It is very easy to dismiss the exchange as khal yoga and hence, conclude that it is very bad. However, there are certainly few cases where these exchanges can prove to begood too. For eg., in cases of charts where the native is subject to continuous bad health, this is a very yoga to take place. Even though the native suffers from bad health, we can with certain say that he would recover, if not to total normalcy at least he would be out of danger. Secondly, often we can predict that the person could be having legacy from mother's side- mostly money earned by her. Finally, any parivartana gives strength to the planets and we can talk only in the light of what could be the planets like.. For eg., for virgo lagna, mars in 5th is in exaltation and Saturn in 8th attains debilitation- ie to say, per se a bad planet is strong (8L) and

a good planet (5L) is very weak and both are under each other's influence. However, because of parivartna, the ultimate result is 5l is in 5th and 8th lord is in 8th and whatz more, their mutual influence is also heavily minimized, thus doing things better Hope you will agree with me, regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If

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Dear Sreeram ji,

 

Do Rahu & Ketu get involved in Parivartana yoga by exchanging places

with other house owners and if so how?

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave

those

> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

>

> The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

>

> Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha

Yogas}

> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

>

> If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> positive in this discussion.

>

> Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the

dasa of

> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of

much

> value.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

rightly so as marriage will cause deep animosity with the partner as both are powerful (although some consider Sun to be more powerful, but in my opinion Saturn even if weakly placed will not fail to strike at sun- ie whatever Sun represents in this case Lagna. )--- On Mon, 14/1/08, renunw <renunw wrote:

renunw <renunw Re: Parivartan_Yogas Date: Monday, 14 January, 2008, 3:28 PM

 

 

 

Dear Sreeram ji,

"Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave thoseendless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology."

Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun & 7HL Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by step raising her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a very young age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a huge headache to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in their old age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

blessings

Renu

ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards> positive in this discussion.> > Members who have seen or observed such combination +

where the dasa of> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much> value.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Dear Sreeram ji, Sreenadh ji and other learned members...

 

What about exchange of nakshastras of planets? What will be the

effect then? For example if in an Aries lagna native, Venus is in

Saturn's nakshastra in Cancer and Saturn is in Venus's nakshastra

in ...say...Aries, how would the interpretations be, if there is any

effect at all as per exchange of nakshastras?

 

Here Venus owns the 2nd & 7th houses and Saturn owns the 10th & 11th

houses. So between which houses are we to consider the exchange of

Venus & Saturn to attribute relevant results as per exchange of

nakshastras?

 

Hope ..I am clear..If so kindly explain with an analogy...Thanks.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave

those

> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

>

> The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

>

> Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha

Yogas}

> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala Yoga}.

>

> If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> positive in this discussion.

>

> Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the

dasa of

> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of

much

> value.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore ji,

 

Sure...no problem.

 

18th February 1978 @ 6.00 PM in Colombo Sri Lanka.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> It will be interesting if you kindly post the birth details.

>

> Remember that Saturn and Sun are enemies- both being very strong

planets.

>

> The particular position of Moon in which house, rasi and lunar

asterism will

> help in this case.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Jan 14, 2008 3:28 PM, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> > Dear Sreeram ji,

> >

> > " Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology. "

> >

> > Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

> >

> > A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun &

7HL

> > Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by

step raising

> > her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a

very young

> > age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a

huge headache

> > to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in

their old

> > age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

> > >

> > > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> > > Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> > > Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

> > >

> > > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side {

Maha Yogas}

> > > & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala

Yoga}.

> > >

> > > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> > > in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> > > positive in this discussion.

> > >

> > > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the

dasa of

> > > the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be

of much

> > > value.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > >

> >

> >

>

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Although the ownership of houses by Rahu & Ketu is arguable its exalation and debilitation is not.

So when Ketu is siting in a house and its depositor is in its house of exalation then a parivartan yoga takes place. eg. Ketu in Leo and its depositor Sun is in its house of exalation - Pisces, then a parvartanyoga has happened....

Please ignore spelling mistakes and everybody post their comments.--- On Mon, 14/1/08, renunw <renunw wrote:

renunw <renunw Re: Parivartan_Yogas Date: Monday, 14 January, 2008, 3:45 PM

 

 

Dear Sreeram ji,Do Rahu & Ketu get involved in Parivartana yoga by exchanging places with other house owners and if so how?blessingsRenuancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@. ..> wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us leave those> endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of astrology.> > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is Parivartan> Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally called> Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....> > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side { Maha Yogas}> & special importance given to exchange involving 3H {

Khala Yoga}.> > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more negatives> in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more towards> positive in this discussion.> > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the dasa of> the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be of much> value.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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the lagna seems to be cancerian. Please confirm.

kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore Ji,

Namaskar.

I have Dhanu lagna. In my chart there is a parivartana between retro

Sa and Sun. Sun is with Mars and Ju is in Lagna. The advent of Sa MD

give me a good job abroad. I was not interested in leaving India but

matters moved fast. Within 1 year of the start of Sa MD I was

settled in new job. After this initial lift balance part of the dasa

maintained status quo.

Hope you may find this info useful.

Regards,

Rajendra

 

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> It will be interesting if you kindly post the birth details.

>

> Remember that Saturn and Sun are enemies- both being very strong

planets.

>

> The particular position of Moon in which house, rasi and lunar

asterism will

> help in this case.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Jan 14, 2008 3:28 PM, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> > Dear Sreeram ji,

> >

> > " Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology. "

> >

> > Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

> >

> > A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun &

7HL

> > Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by

step raising

> > her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a

very young

> > age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a

huge headache

> > to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in

their old

> > age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

> > >

> > > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> > > Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> > > Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

> > >

> > > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side {

Maha Yogas}

> > > & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala

Yoga}.

> > >

> > > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> > > in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> > > positive in this discussion.

> > >

> > > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the

dasa of

> > > the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be

of much

> > > value.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore Ji,

Namaskar.

In my chart of Dhanu lagna there is a parivartana between retro Sa

and Sum. Ju is in lagna and Ma is conjunct Sun. The advent of Sa MD

gave me a job outside India with better pay. I was not interested in

leaving India but matters moved so fast that within a year of the

beginning of Sa MD I was abroad. After this initial lift balance

part of the Dasa maintained status quo.

Hope you may find this info useful.

Regards,

Rajendra

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> It will be interesting if you kindly post the birth details.

>

> Remember that Saturn and Sun are enemies- both being very strong

planets.

>

> The particular position of Moon in which house, rasi and lunar

asterism will

> help in this case.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Jan 14, 2008 3:28 PM, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> > Dear Sreeram ji,

> >

> > " Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology. "

> >

> > Thanks....was patiently awaiting for this

> >

> > A girl born in 1978, Leo Lagna has an exchange of her LL Sun &

7HL

> > Saturn. Her Saturn dasha commenced in the year 2000, step by

step raising

> > her to the position of a CEO of a well recognized company at a

very young

> > age. There is one problem. She is anti-marriage which is a

huge headache

> > to her mom. She thinks she should look after her parents in

their old

> > age...although the parents do not need such help right now.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Let us get back to our core subject i.e. astrology. Let us

leave those

> > > endless discussions & debates on relevance or authencity of

astrology.

> > >

> > > The one common which is often observed in the hororscopes is

Parivartan

> > > Yogas i.e. exchange of places.....between planets. Generally

called

> > > Dainya Yoga or Khala Yoga....

> > >

> > > Broadly exchange of planets between all houses on one side {

Maha Yogas}

> > > & special importance given to exchange involving 3H { Khala

Yoga}.

> > >

> > > If one were to closely look at our scriptures, there are more

negatives

> > > in that than positive predictions. My request is to look more

towards

> > > positive in this discussion.

> > >

> > > Members who have seen or observed such combination + where the

dasa of

> > > the Yoga forming planet is also experienced then it would be

of much

> > > value.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv ji,

 

So you mean since Saturn, in this case acting as LL due to exchange

with LL is more powerful than LL Sun placed in 7H....acting as 7HL and

thereby Saturn who is allergic to marriage is moulding this girl's

mind to remain unmarried?

 

blessings

 

Renu

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv ji,

 

" So when Ketu is siting in a house and its depositor is in its house

of exalation then a parivartan yoga takes place. "

 

OK. But why a special rule for Rahu & Ketu? Why aren't their ownership

not considered for parivarthana?

 

" Ketu in Leo and its depositor Sun is in its house of exalation -

Pisces, then a parvartanyoga has happened.... "

 

I thought Scorpio is the house of exaltation of Ketu.

 

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

 

blessings

 

Renu