Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

June 29, 2007

Dear Kolachina ji,

It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

important.

- Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

strength of a planet?

- Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

aspects in a Rasi chart?

- Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

- Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

halves representing the native.

I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

charts!

Regards,

Krishna

--- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

>

> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> your

> contributions.

>

> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> inputs

> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> to

> share my opinion (through my own experience).

>

> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> most

> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> approaches

> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> at the

> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> chart (of

> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> any of

> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> chart

> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> in

> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> confirming

> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> chart,

> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> some

> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> navamsa

> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

>

> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> rasi

> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> condiered

> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> this

> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> the

> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> positioning

> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> means,

> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> point for

> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> strength

> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> the

> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> position

> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> rasi.

> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> Rasi and

> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> them

> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> same

> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> be

> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> by the

> rasi chart).

>

> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> chart

> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> observed

> this phenomenon in several charts.

>

> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> 12th

> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> chart

> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> lagna). I am

> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> and

> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> brought

> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> my life

> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> in

> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> here; I am

> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> chart,

> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

>

> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> chart

> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> the 4th

> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> education).

>

> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> that

> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> isolation of

> the other.

>

> Thanks for all your contribution.

>

> Best regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> First

> there is

> > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> is

> perhaps

> > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> astrological

> > translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> context that

> > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> Swamsha

> in

> > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> occupation of

> > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> adhyaaya.

> > This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> parameters.

> I

> > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> interpretation

> > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> if he

> is

> > watching this discussion.

> >

> > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> indicated on

> > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> promised by

> > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> rasi

> chart,

> > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> hope

> this

> > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> discussion on

> the

> > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> worth.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > >

> > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> Rashi

> in

> > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> one

> > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> Rashi

> in

> > > which a graha is having amsha.

> > >

> > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> shlokas

> which

> > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> point.

> > >

> > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

>

> answer and

> > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

>

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Dear Krishna,

If I am add my thoughts, in KAS also we give equal importance to Rasi

and Navamsa, but there is some difference.

We get samdharmi's from Navamsa, we also find the procession using

10th lords from lagna sun mo and see where they are placed in navamsa.

We also check say if Ve and Sa or Ma and Mo or Su and Mo are in 1:7

in navamsa then they cease to become Samdharmis.

Also in addition we check blessings so if navamsa lagna and 9th lords

are in 5:9 or if lagna lord and lagna 9th lord are in 5:9 in navamsa

we say that there is blessing so here navamsa has its importance.

However for timing of events, the power of planets are from Rasi.

When navamsa is used then in that we do not check the ashtakavarga

power using 4:10 or aspects, so that is for finding the power in any

of the varga but we only take the basic power i.e. the addition of

power of the house that u are seeing the 5th from that and 8th from

that and add that as the Basic power of the house.

So equal importance is given in that sense, but for timing of events

we check the power, 4:10, power gained or lost due to aspects on house

and lords etc only from Rasi.

For samdharmis calculations we use navamsa for example if 2 planets

are in 5:9 in rasi in exact they will come together in navamsa so they

will become samdharmi.

Planets become Samdharmi to their navamsa lords they are placed in.

Planets when they conjoin in navamsa they become samdharmi however of

a weaker grade as compared to navamsa depositer so things like that.

In short we find the samdharmi's from rasi and navamsa.

That is not done using any other d-chart. So we say that Navamsa has

equal importance to Rasi.

So in summary

1) For total power for timing of event is Rasi (there 4:10, aspects

are used)

2) For finding samdharmi (Rasi and Navamsa are both used)

3) For finding blessing both rasi and navamsa are used

4) For finding power in Navamsa then only basic strength is used i.e.

A+B+C points but no power gained due to aspects or 4:10 and that is

the same we use for all D-charts.

5) For timing of events also navamsa place a role, say Sa in 5th house

would delay marriage so here we are only using House in navamsa but

not the lords of house in navamsa. So this is a special case as

Saturn will aspect the house A, B and C of the 3rd house from where

its placed. So here there is a difference where the lords of the

house in navamsa are not used.

6) No other d chart is used to find Samdharmi so in that way Navamsa

has equal importance as Rasi.

7) Another differnce is that panets do not become SD to the rasi lord

where they are placed, but they do become SD to the navamsa lord they

are placed in so again Navamsa is having its importance.

This is as per the view point of KAS System and hope that it helps in

the discussion.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Kolachina ji,

>

> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> important.

>

> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> strength of a planet?

> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

>

> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> halves representing the native.

>

> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> charts!

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >

> > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > your

> > contributions.

> >

> > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > inputs

> > you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> > to

> > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >

> > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> > most

> > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > approaches

> > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> > at the

> > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > chart (of

> > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> > any of

> > the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> > chart

> > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> > in

> > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > confirming

> > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> > chart,

> > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> > some

> > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > navamsa

> > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> >

> > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> > rasi

> > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > condiered

> > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> > this

> > considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> > the

> > planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > positioning

> > within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> > means,

> > within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > point for

> > the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > strength

> > considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> > the

> > planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > position

> > of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> > rasi.

> > In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > Rasi and

> > Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> > them

> > that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > same

> > level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> > Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> > be

> > viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> > by the

> > rasi chart).

> >

> > Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > chart

> > alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > observed

> > this phenomenon in several charts.

> >

> > My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > 12th

> > house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > chart

> > with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > lagna). I am

> > a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> > and

> > Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> > brought

> > to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> > my life

> > events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> > in

> > the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > here; I am

> > just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> > chart,

> > and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> >

> > On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> > chart

> > that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> > the 4th

> > house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> > education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > education).

> >

> > I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> > that

> > both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > isolation of

> > the other.

> >

> > Thanks for all your contribution.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > First

> > there is

> > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> > is

> > perhaps

> > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > astrological

> > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> > context that

> > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > Swamsha

> > in

> > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > occupation of

> > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> > adhyaaya.

> > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > parameters.

> > I

> > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > interpretation

> > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> > if he

> > is

> > > watching this discussion.

> > >

> > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > indicated on

> > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> > promised by

> > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > rasi

> > chart,

> > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> > hope

> > this

> > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > discussion on

> > the

> > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > worth.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >

> > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> > Rashi

> > in

> > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> > one

> > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> > Rashi

> > in

> > > > which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >

> > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > shlokas

> > which

> > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > point.

> > > >

> > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> >

> > answer and

> > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> >

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June 30, 2007

Dear Ash,

Thanks for your inputs from KAS angle. We both have given 'what'

part of the subject. However, I am looking for 'why' part. Hope

I will get wome answers.

Regards,

Krishna

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> If I am add my thoughts, in KAS also we give equal importance

> to Rasi

> and Navamsa, but there is some difference.

>

> We get samdharmi's from Navamsa, we also find the procession

> using

> 10th lords from lagna sun mo and see where they are placed in

> navamsa.

> We also check say if Ve and Sa or Ma and Mo or Su and Mo are

> in 1:7

> in navamsa then they cease to become Samdharmis.

> Also in addition we check blessings so if navamsa lagna and

> 9th lords

> are in 5:9 or if lagna lord and lagna 9th lord are in 5:9 in

> navamsa

> we say that there is blessing so here navamsa has its

> importance.

>

> However for timing of events, the power of planets are from

> Rasi.

> When navamsa is used then in that we do not check the

> ashtakavarga

> power using 4:10 or aspects, so that is for finding the power

> in any

> of the varga but we only take the basic power i.e. the

> addition of

> power of the house that u are seeing the 5th from that and 8th

> from

> that and add that as the Basic power of the house.

>

> So equal importance is given in that sense, but for timing of

> events

> we check the power, 4:10, power gained or lost due to aspects

> on house

> and lords etc only from Rasi.

>

> For samdharmis calculations we use navamsa for example if 2

> planets

> are in 5:9 in rasi in exact they will come together in navamsa

> so they

> will become samdharmi.

>

> Planets become Samdharmi to their navamsa lords they are

> placed in.

>

> Planets when they conjoin in navamsa they become samdharmi

> however of

> a weaker grade as compared to navamsa depositer so things like

> that.

> In short we find the samdharmi's from rasi and navamsa.

>

> That is not done using any other d-chart. So we say that

> Navamsa has

> equal importance to Rasi.

>

> So in summary

>

> 1) For total power for timing of event is Rasi (there 4:10,

> aspects

> are used)

> 2) For finding samdharmi (Rasi and Navamsa are both used)

> 3) For finding blessing both rasi and navamsa are used

> 4) For finding power in Navamsa then only basic strength is

> used i.e.

> A+B+C points but no power gained due to aspects or 4:10 and

> that is

> the same we use for all D-charts.

> 5) For timing of events also navamsa place a role, say Sa in

> 5th house

> would delay marriage so here we are only using House in

> navamsa but

> not the lords of house in navamsa. So this is a special case

> as

> Saturn will aspect the house A, B and C of the 3rd house from

> where

> its placed. So here there is a difference where the lords of

> the

> house in navamsa are not used.

> 6) No other d chart is used to find Samdharmi so in that way

> Navamsa

> has equal importance as Rasi.

> 7) Another differnce is that panets do not become SD to the

> rasi lord

> where they are placed, but they do become SD to the navamsa

> lord they

> are placed in so again Navamsa is having its importance.

>

> This is as per the view point of KAS System and hope that it

> helps in

> the discussion.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kolachina ji,

> >

> > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> the

> > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart is

> > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> so

> > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> what

> > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > important.

> >

> > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > strength of a planet?

> > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> as if

> > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >

> > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart,

> it

> > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> equal

> > halves representing the native.

> >

> > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What

> I

> > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> What

> > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> varga

> > charts!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >

> > > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > your

> > > contributions.

> > >

> > > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > inputs

> > > you are providing to the astrological community. I would

> like

> > > to

> > > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > >

> > > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> alone

> > > most

> > > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > approaches

> > > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> valuable;

> > > at the

> > > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > chart (of

> > > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> since

> > > any of

> > > the varga charts will not give independent results if the

> Rasi

> > > chart

> > > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> chart

> > > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> several

> > > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> viewed

> > > in

> > > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > confirming

> > > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> separate

> > > chart,

> > > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> checking

> > > some

> > > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > navamsa

> > > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

>

> > > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at

> the

> > > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

> Rasi.

> > >

> > > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in

> the

> > > rasi

> > > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > condiered

> > > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why

> is

>

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June 30, 2007

Dear Krishna,

I thought thats what I tried to do, in any case, let me try to answer

with my little knowledge on what I have learnt so far.

Reply below your questions in CAPS.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Kolachina ji,

>

> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> important.

>

> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> strength of a planet?

ASH : DETERMINATION OF STRENGTH IS FROM RASI FOR TIMING OF EVENT USING

ASHTAKAVARGA, BUT IF U ARE USING SIGN PLACEMENT AS DETERMINANT OF

PLANETARY STRENGTH THEN FOR THAT I CANNOT COMMENT AS I PERSONALLY GET

THE POWER OF PLANETS I.E. COMBINED POWER USING ASHTAKAVARGA BUT USE

THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO SEE THE QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING.

NOW, NAVAMSA IS IMPORTANT AS IT GIVES THE SAMDHARMI SO SAY IF A PLANET

IS UNABLE TO GIVE RESULT, THEN THE NAVAMSA DEPOSITER OR WHAT WE CALL

ONE OF THE SAMDHARMI CAN STEP IN AND PROXY FOR THE MAIN SIGNIFICATOR.

SO NAVAMSA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO FIND THE PLANETARY SAMDHARMI.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY JUPITER IS FROM 6DEG40 TO 10 DEG IN ARIES THEN

IT WOULD BECOME SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AS IT WOULD BE IN GEMINI IN

NAVAMSA. SO FOR SOME CASES, DEPENDING ON STRENGTH OF JUPITER IN RASI

IF ITS UNABLE TO GIVE THE TIMING DUE TO SAY ITS ANTRA BEING FAR AWAY,

THEN IF MERCURY ANTA COMES BEFORE JUPITER AND IF MERCURY HAS ENOUGH

POWER THEN IT CAN STEP IN FOR JUPITER AND FURNISH THE TIMING OF EVENT.

SO THAT WAY THERE IS A LINK FORMED AND THAT IS VERY SPCIAL AND THAT U

CAN GET ONLY FROM NAVAMSA AND NO OTHER D CHART.

> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> aspects in a Rasi chart?

ASH : HERE FROM WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT ASPECTS ARE TO BE SEEN

IN NAVAMSA BUT THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

SAY SA AND VE ARE NATURAL SAMDHARMIS BUT IF THEY ARE GOING IN 1:7 THEN

THEY HAVE ENIMITY AND THEY CEASE TO ACT AS NATURAL SAMDHARMIS. SO

HERE ASPECT OF 1:7 IS TAKEN AS ENMITY.

ALSO ASPECTS WHEN SEEN IN NAVAMSA IS ON HOUSE ONLY. LET ME TRY TO

NARRATE THIS WITH AN EXAMPLE.

TAKE CANCER LAGNA AND SATURN IN 2ND HOUSE. SO IN RASI IF THIS IS THE

COMBINATION THEN THERE WILL BE FULL DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE OR SAY

MARRIAGE. AS SATURN WILL BE IN 2ND WILL ASPECT 11TH AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE.

NOW TAKE THE SAME CASE FOR IF CANCER NAVAMSA WAS RISING AND SA IS IN

2ND HOUSE THEN IN THAT CASE, SA IS IN 2ND HOUSE, ASPECTS 11TH HOUSE

AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE BUT HERE THERE CAN'T BE DELAY AS SATURN IS NOT

ASPECTING ALL 3 HOUSES. IT OWNS 7TH HOUSE IN NAVAMSA BUT THAT CAN'T

BE TAKEN AS IT MUST ASPECT 3 HOUSES.

SO LORD OF HOUSE OF NAVAMSA CAN'T BE TAKEN, BUT THAT IS TO BE TAKEN

FROM RASI.

SO SAY IF SATURN WERE TO ASPECT 2ND LORD, 11TH LORD AND 7TH LORD OF

RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN THERE WOULD BE FULL DELAY.

I THINK THIS IS VERY KEY PART AND THIS IS SEEN AND STUDIED IN MANY

CHARTS AND CAN BE EASILY VERIFIED.

SO ONLY WAY SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAY IS IF SATURN WERE IN 5TH HOUSE IN

NAVAMSA ONLY. AS IT WOULD THEN ASPECT 2ND 11TH AND 7TH HOUSE.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT ASPECTS, THE POWER IF U ARE FINING IN

NAVAMSA, IS BASED THEN ONLY BASIC POWER MEANS WE WILL NOT CONSIDER

4:10 OR ASPECTS POWER TRANSFER IN NAVAMSA THAT IS ONLY DONE IN RASI

BUT NOT IN NAVAMSA.

SO WE DO NOT TAKE ASPECTS FOR POWER IN NAVAMSA BUT ONLY THE BASIC

STRENGTH.

SO ASPECTS ARE TO BE TAKEN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN KAS WE DO SEPARATE OR SAY

DISTINGUISH FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

NAVAMSA AS IN INDIVIDUAL CHART IF STUDIED AND THE POWER FOR ALL 12

HOUSES AND OF 7TH PLANETS IN NAVAMSA - MEANS STUDYING NAVAMSA AS A

D-CHART THEN IN THAT CASE WE TAKE ONLY BASIC STRENGTH FROM SAV OF

NAVAMSA ONLY.

> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

ASH : YOGAS, OR SAY SARVASHTAKAVARGA IS CASTED IN ALL D CHARTS SO IT

MEANS THAT PLANETS RELATION W.R.T EACH OTHER OR YOGAS ARE CONSIDERED

AND THAT POWER I.E. WHEN WE FIND THE BASIC STRENGTH THEN THAT GIVES

THE POWER OF 7 PLANETS IN 12 HOUSES IN NAVAMSA ONLY, SO HERE IT

NAVAMSA IS A D-CHART AND LIKE ALL D-CHART WHEN FINDING POWER U ONLY

CHECK THE BASIC STRENGTH AND NO ASPECTS OR 4:10 ARE CONSIDERED FOR

D-CHART AND NAVAMSA AS WELL WHICH IS ALSO A D-CHART.

>

> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> halves representing the native.

ASH : WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U CAN'T FIND THE SAMDHARMI'S IN A WAY, AND IT

WOULD ALSO BECOME INCOMPLETE TO FIND THE TIMING OF EVENT AS U ALSO

CHECK THE ASPECTS OF THE LORDS OF RASI IN NAVAMSA AS WELL.

SAY JUPITER IS ASPECTING 2ND HOUSE IN RASI AND THE LORD OF 7TH HOUSE

OF RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN ALSO IT CAN GIVE DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS.

SO WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U WILL ONLY HAVE TO DO ALL THIS MATH BASED ON

DEGREE'S OF RASI, BUT NAVAMSA GIVES US A GOOD CHART TO SEE ALL THIS

CLEARLY AS A CHART AS WELL.

>

> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> charts!

ASH : YES, I TRIED TO GIVE THE REASONS AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING OF KAS.

NAVAMSA IS A VARGA, BUT AN IMPORTANT VARGA AS WITHOUT THAT TIMING OF

EVENTS, SAMDHARMIS, BLESSINGS ETC CAN BE FOUND.

I DONT KNOW IF I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS BUT I HAVE TRIED.

THANKS.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

>

> > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >

> > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > your

> > contributions.

> >

> > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > inputs

> > you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> > to

> > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >

> > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> > most

> > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > approaches

> > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> > at the

> > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > chart (of

> > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> > any of

> > the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> > chart

> > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> > in

> > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > confirming

> > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> > chart,

> > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> > some

> > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > navamsa

> > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> >

> > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> > rasi

> > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > condiered

> > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> > this

> > considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> > the

> > planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > positioning

> > within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> > means,

> > within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > point for

> > the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > strength

> > considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> > the

> > planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > position

> > of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> > rasi.

> > In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > Rasi and

> > Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> > them

> > that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > same

> > level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> > Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> > be

> > viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> > by the

> > rasi chart).

> >

> > Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > chart

> > alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > observed

> > this phenomenon in several charts.

> >

> > My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > 12th

> > house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > chart

> > with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > lagna). I am

> > a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> > and

> > Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> > brought

> > to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> > my life

> > events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> > in

> > the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > here; I am

> > just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> > chart,

> > and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> >

> > On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> > chart

> > that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> > the 4th

> > house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> > education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > education).

> >

> > I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> > that

> > both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > isolation of

> > the other.

> >

> > Thanks for all your contribution.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > First

> > there is

> > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> > is

> > perhaps

> > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > astrological

> > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> > context that

> > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > Swamsha

> > in

> > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > occupation of

> > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> > adhyaaya.

> > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > parameters.

> > I

> > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > interpretation

> > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> > if he

> > is

> > > watching this discussion.

> > >

> > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > indicated on

> > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> > promised by

> > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > rasi

> > chart,

> > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> > hope

> > this

> > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > discussion on

> > the

> > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > worth.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >

> > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> > Rashi

> > in

> > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> > one

> > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> > Rashi

> > in

> > > > which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >

> > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > shlokas

> > which

> > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > point.

> > > >

> > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> >

> > answer and

> > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> >

> === message truncated ===

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July 1, 2007

Dear Ash,

Thanks for taking pain to explain it to me again. I definitely

see your point as to Navamsha is very important as we can read

so many things from it, specially the strength and relationships

of planets.

Probably, I am not conveying my question correctly. Because the

'why' I am asking is at a different level. You are saying that

we read vital a,b,c... from Navamsa and hence it is very

important. My question is 'how come we get these vital a,b,c...

only from Navamsha and not from other divisional charts?'

Let us pick up one thread and try to analyse:

Let us say that the Sun is exalted in Rasi chart and debilitated

in Navamsha chart. In this case, we say that Sun is weak (though

exalted in Rasi chart). Let us take another case. Sun is exalted

in Rasi, in own house in Navamsha and debilited in another varga

chart, say D-10. Here, we consider the Sun to be strong in

general and the debilitation of Sun is looked at only within the

context of D-10 and weakness to Sun is not attributed at Rasi

level. WHY this distinction between D-9 and D-10, both being

varga charts?

There should be a special significance of dividing a Rasi into 9

equal parts called amshas. One thing that immediately comes to

my mind is that each navamsha is equal to one Nakshatra pada.

Navamsha positions of planets reflect the nakshatra padas that

they occupy in Rasi. This is specific to D-9 only and not true

for other varga charts. Is this giving the special significance

to D-9? If so, how do we explain it? If not, what else gives the

significance to Navamsha chart?

Hope you got my point.

Regards,

Krishna

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> I thought thats what I tried to do, in any case, let me try to

> answer

> with my little knowledge on what I have learnt so far.

>

> Reply below your questions in CAPS.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kolachina ji,

> >

> > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> the

> > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart is

> > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> so

> > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> what

> > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > important.

> >

> > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > strength of a planet?

>

> ASH : DETERMINATION OF STRENGTH IS FROM RASI FOR TIMING OF

> EVENT USING

> ASHTAKAVARGA, BUT IF U ARE USING SIGN PLACEMENT AS DETERMINANT

> OF

> PLANETARY STRENGTH THEN FOR THAT I CANNOT COMMENT AS I

> PERSONALLY GET

> THE POWER OF PLANETS I.E. COMBINED POWER USING ASHTAKAVARGA

> BUT USE

> THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO SEE THE QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING.

>

> NOW, NAVAMSA IS IMPORTANT AS IT GIVES THE SAMDHARMI SO SAY IF

> A PLANET

> IS UNABLE TO GIVE RESULT, THEN THE NAVAMSA DEPOSITER OR WHAT

> WE CALL

> ONE OF THE SAMDHARMI CAN STEP IN AND PROXY FOR THE MAIN

> SIGNIFICATOR.

> SO NAVAMSA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO FIND THE PLANETARY

> SAMDHARMI.

>

> JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY JUPITER IS FROM 6DEG40 TO 10 DEG IN

> ARIES THEN

> IT WOULD BECOME SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AS IT WOULD BE IN GEMINI

> IN

> NAVAMSA. SO FOR SOME CASES, DEPENDING ON STRENGTH OF JUPITER

> IN RASI

> IF ITS UNABLE TO GIVE THE TIMING DUE TO SAY ITS ANTRA BEING

> FAR AWAY,

> THEN IF MERCURY ANTA COMES BEFORE JUPITER AND IF MERCURY HAS

> ENOUGH

> POWER THEN IT CAN STEP IN FOR JUPITER AND FURNISH THE TIMING

> OF EVENT.

>

> SO THAT WAY THERE IS A LINK FORMED AND THAT IS VERY SPCIAL AND

> THAT U

> CAN GET ONLY FROM NAVAMSA AND NO OTHER D CHART.

>

> > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > aspects in a Rasi chart?

>

> ASH : HERE FROM WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT ASPECTS ARE TO

> BE SEEN

> IN NAVAMSA BUT THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

>

> SAY SA AND VE ARE NATURAL SAMDHARMIS BUT IF THEY ARE GOING IN

> 1:7 THEN

> THEY HAVE ENIMITY AND THEY CEASE TO ACT AS NATURAL SAMDHARMIS.

> SO

> HERE ASPECT OF 1:7 IS TAKEN AS ENMITY.

>

> ALSO ASPECTS WHEN SEEN IN NAVAMSA IS ON HOUSE ONLY. LET ME

> TRY TO

> NARRATE THIS WITH AN EXAMPLE.

>

> TAKE CANCER LAGNA AND SATURN IN 2ND HOUSE. SO IN RASI IF THIS

> IS THE

> COMBINATION THEN THERE WILL BE FULL DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE OR SAY

> MARRIAGE. AS SATURN WILL BE IN 2ND WILL ASPECT 11TH AND OWNS

> 7TH HOUSE.

>

> NOW TAKE THE SAME CASE FOR IF CANCER NAVAMSA WAS RISING AND SA

> IS IN

> 2ND HOUSE THEN IN THAT CASE, SA IS IN 2ND HOUSE, ASPECTS 11TH

> HOUSE

> AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE BUT HERE THERE CAN'T BE DELAY AS SATURN IS

> NOT

> ASPECTING ALL 3 HOUSES. IT OWNS 7TH HOUSE IN NAVAMSA BUT THAT

> CAN'T

> BE TAKEN AS IT MUST ASPECT 3 HOUSES.

>

> SO LORD OF HOUSE OF NAVAMSA CAN'T BE TAKEN, BUT THAT IS TO BE

> TAKEN

> FROM RASI.

>

> SO SAY IF SATURN WERE TO ASPECT 2ND LORD, 11TH LORD AND 7TH

> LORD OF

> RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN THERE WOULD BE FULL DELAY.

>

> I THINK THIS IS VERY KEY PART AND THIS IS SEEN AND STUDIED IN

> MANY

> CHARTS AND CAN BE EASILY VERIFIED.

>

> SO ONLY WAY SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAY IS IF SATURN WERE IN 5TH

> HOUSE IN

> NAVAMSA ONLY. AS IT WOULD THEN ASPECT 2ND 11TH AND 7TH HOUSE.

>

> ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT ASPECTS, THE POWER IF U ARE

> FINING IN

> NAVAMSA, IS BASED THEN ONLY BASIC POWER MEANS WE WILL NOT

> CONSIDER

> 4:10 OR ASPECTS POWER TRANSFER IN NAVAMSA THAT IS ONLY DONE IN

> RASI

> BUT NOT IN NAVAMSA.

>

> SO WE DO NOT TAKE ASPECTS FOR POWER IN NAVAMSA BUT ONLY THE

> BASIC

> STRENGTH.

>

> SO ASPECTS ARE TO BE TAKEN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN KAS WE DO

> SEPARATE OR SAY

> DISTINGUISH FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

>

> NAVAMSA AS IN INDIVIDUAL CHART IF STUDIED AND THE POWER FOR

> ALL 12

> HOUSES AND OF 7TH PLANETS IN NAVAMSA - MEANS STUDYING NAVAMSA

> AS A

> D-CHART THEN IN THAT CASE WE TAKE ONLY BASIC STRENGTH FROM SAV

> OF

> NAVAMSA ONLY.

>

> > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> as if

> > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

>

> ASH : YOGAS, OR SAY SARVASHTAKAVARGA IS CASTED IN ALL D CHARTS

> SO IT

> MEANS THAT PLANETS RELATION W.R.T EACH OTHER OR YOGAS ARE

> CONSIDERED

> AND THAT POWER I.E. WHEN WE FIND THE BASIC STRENGTH THEN THAT

> GIVES

> THE POWER OF 7 PLANETS IN 12 HOUSES IN NAVAMSA ONLY, SO HERE

> IT

> NAVAMSA IS A D-CHART AND LIKE ALL D-CHART WHEN FINDING POWER U

> ONLY

> CHECK THE BASIC STRENGTH AND NO ASPECTS OR 4:10 ARE CONSIDERED

> FOR

> D-CHART AND NAVAMSA AS WELL WHICH IS ALSO A D-CHART.

>

> >

> > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart,

> it

> > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> equal

> > halves representing the native.

>

> ASH : WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U CAN'T FIND THE SAMDHARMI'S IN A WAY,

> AND IT

> WOULD ALSO BECOME INCOMPLETE TO FIND THE TIMING OF EVENT AS U

> ALSO

> CHECK THE ASPECTS OF THE LORDS OF RASI IN NAVAMSA AS WELL.

>

> SAY JUPITER IS ASPECTING 2ND HOUSE IN RASI AND THE LORD OF 7TH

> HOUSE

> OF RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN ALSO IT CAN GIVE DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE

> MATTERS.

>

> SO WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U WILL ONLY HAVE TO DO ALL THIS MATH BASED

> ON

> DEGREE'S OF RASI, BUT NAVAMSA GIVES US A GOOD CHART TO SEE ALL

> THIS

> CLEARLY AS A CHART AS WELL.

>

> >

> > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What

> I

> > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> What

> > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> varga

> > charts!

>

> ASH : YES, I TRIED TO GIVE THE REASONS AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING

> OF KAS.

> NAVAMSA IS A VARGA, BUT AN IMPORTANT VARGA AS WITHOUT THAT

> TIMING OF

> EVENTS, SAMDHARMIS, BLESSINGS ETC CAN BE FOUND.

>

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July 1, 2007

Dear Sri Krishnamurthy,

My opinion on this question is like this:

The 9th division is defined as Dharmaamsa and the Navamsa chart

represents the fruits of the dharma held by the individual in the

previous birth. One's dharma is defined as that particular course of

action one should take (or actually takes) or how one should react

(or actually reacts) to circustances. If one follwed his/her dharma

appropriately in the previous birth, it would reflect in the navamsa

of the present birth. Scripturally, there are different dharmas

defined for different categories of people. For example, the dharma

of a Brahmin is different from that of a Kshathriya, or the dharma of

a Man is different from that of a woman; or the dharma of a Grihastha

is different from that of a Sanyasi etc. Manusmrithi is the Code of

Conduct/Ethics that is Praamana for people. Once I had an opportunity

to read a few of these dharmas from Manusmrithi and I realized how

far we deviate practically from this code of conduct. Of course, I am

talking ideal situation which is almost impossible for any of us in

the modern Scientific era of today.

Let me not deviate from the point. Therefore, one's past reaction (or

action for that matter) to the events is represented as the Dharma

chart of this birth. Even though the Rasi chart grants possibilities,

the Dharma chart (or navamsa chart) may disqualify one in the

particular situation, thus posing limitations. This is the very

fundamental reason that many times we strongly feel the inner urge to

do something, but cannot do for whatever limitations that arise in

this lifetime.

Just my thoughts. I am not intending here to hurt others' opinions,

nor I am interested for the same. Others may possess their own

opinions at their freedom.

There may also other strong reasons (which we are not aware of) for

the Navamsa chart to be most important of all varga charts; one such

reason is for sure, the coincidence of navamsas with Nakshathra padas.

Best regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thanks for taking pain to explain it to me again. I definitely

> see your point as to Navamsha is very important as we can read

> so many things from it, specially the strength and relationships

> of planets.

>

> Probably, I am not conveying my question correctly. Because the

> 'why' I am asking is at a different level. You are saying that

> we read vital a,b,c... from Navamsa and hence it is very

> important. My question is 'how come we get these vital a,b,c...

> only from Navamsha and not from other divisional charts?'

>

> Let us pick up one thread and try to analyse:

>

> Let us say that the Sun is exalted in Rasi chart and debilitated

> in Navamsha chart. In this case, we say that Sun is weak (though

> exalted in Rasi chart). Let us take another case. Sun is exalted

> in Rasi, in own house in Navamsha and debilited in another varga

> chart, say D-10. Here, we consider the Sun to be strong in

> general and the debilitation of Sun is looked at only within the

> context of D-10 and weakness to Sun is not attributed at Rasi

> level. WHY this distinction between D-9 and D-10, both being

> varga charts?

>

> There should be a special significance of dividing a Rasi into 9

> equal parts called amshas. One thing that immediately comes to

> my mind is that each navamsha is equal to one Nakshatra pada.

> Navamsha positions of planets reflect the nakshatra padas that

> they occupy in Rasi. This is specific to D-9 only and not true

> for other varga charts. Is this giving the special significance

> to D-9? If so, how do we explain it? If not, what else gives the

> significance to Navamsha chart?

>

> Hope you got my point.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > I thought thats what I tried to do, in any case, let me try to

> > answer

> > with my little knowledge on what I have learnt so far.

> >

> > Reply below your questions in CAPS.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kolachina ji,

> > >

> > > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> > the

> > > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > chart is

> > > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> > so

> > > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > what

> > > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > important.

> > >

> > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > > strength of a planet?

> >

> > ASH : DETERMINATION OF STRENGTH IS FROM RASI FOR TIMING OF

> > EVENT USING

> > ASHTAKAVARGA, BUT IF U ARE USING SIGN PLACEMENT AS DETERMINANT

> > OF

> > PLANETARY STRENGTH THEN FOR THAT I CANNOT COMMENT AS I

> > PERSONALLY GET

> > THE POWER OF PLANETS I.E. COMBINED POWER USING ASHTAKAVARGA

> > BUT USE

> > THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO SEE THE QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING.

> >

> > NOW, NAVAMSA IS IMPORTANT AS IT GIVES THE SAMDHARMI SO SAY IF

> > A PLANET

> > IS UNABLE TO GIVE RESULT, THEN THE NAVAMSA DEPOSITER OR WHAT

> > WE CALL

> > ONE OF THE SAMDHARMI CAN STEP IN AND PROXY FOR THE MAIN

> > SIGNIFICATOR.

> > SO NAVAMSA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO FIND THE PLANETARY

> > SAMDHARMI.

> >

> > JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY JUPITER IS FROM 6DEG40 TO 10 DEG IN

> > ARIES THEN

> > IT WOULD BECOME SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AS IT WOULD BE IN GEMINI

> > IN

> > NAVAMSA. SO FOR SOME CASES, DEPENDING ON STRENGTH OF JUPITER

> > IN RASI

> > IF ITS UNABLE TO GIVE THE TIMING DUE TO SAY ITS ANTRA BEING

> > FAR AWAY,

> > THEN IF MERCURY ANTA COMES BEFORE JUPITER AND IF MERCURY HAS

> > ENOUGH

> > POWER THEN IT CAN STEP IN FOR JUPITER AND FURNISH THE TIMING

> > OF EVENT.

> >

> > SO THAT WAY THERE IS A LINK FORMED AND THAT IS VERY SPCIAL AND

> > THAT U

> > CAN GET ONLY FROM NAVAMSA AND NO OTHER D CHART.

> >

> > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > like

> > > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >

> > ASH : HERE FROM WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT ASPECTS ARE TO

> > BE SEEN

> > IN NAVAMSA BUT THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

> >

> > SAY SA AND VE ARE NATURAL SAMDHARMIS BUT IF THEY ARE GOING IN

> > 1:7 THEN

> > THEY HAVE ENIMITY AND THEY CEASE TO ACT AS NATURAL SAMDHARMIS.

> > SO

> > HERE ASPECT OF 1:7 IS TAKEN AS ENMITY.

> >

> > ALSO ASPECTS WHEN SEEN IN NAVAMSA IS ON HOUSE ONLY. LET ME

> > TRY TO

> > NARRATE THIS WITH AN EXAMPLE.

> >

> > TAKE CANCER LAGNA AND SATURN IN 2ND HOUSE. SO IN RASI IF THIS

> > IS THE

> > COMBINATION THEN THERE WILL BE FULL DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE OR SAY

> > MARRIAGE. AS SATURN WILL BE IN 2ND WILL ASPECT 11TH AND OWNS

> > 7TH HOUSE.

> >

> > NOW TAKE THE SAME CASE FOR IF CANCER NAVAMSA WAS RISING AND SA

> > IS IN

> > 2ND HOUSE THEN IN THAT CASE, SA IS IN 2ND HOUSE, ASPECTS 11TH

> > HOUSE

> > AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE BUT HERE THERE CAN'T BE DELAY AS SATURN IS

> > NOT

> > ASPECTING ALL 3 HOUSES. IT OWNS 7TH HOUSE IN NAVAMSA BUT THAT

> > CAN'T

> > BE TAKEN AS IT MUST ASPECT 3 HOUSES.

> >

> > SO LORD OF HOUSE OF NAVAMSA CAN'T BE TAKEN, BUT THAT IS TO BE

> > TAKEN

> > FROM RASI.

> >

> > SO SAY IF SATURN WERE TO ASPECT 2ND LORD, 11TH LORD AND 7TH

> > LORD OF

> > RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN THERE WOULD BE FULL DELAY.

> >

> > I THINK THIS IS VERY KEY PART AND THIS IS SEEN AND STUDIED IN

> > MANY

> > CHARTS AND CAN BE EASILY VERIFIED.

> >

> > SO ONLY WAY SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAY IS IF SATURN WERE IN 5TH

> > HOUSE IN

> > NAVAMSA ONLY. AS IT WOULD THEN ASPECT 2ND 11TH AND 7TH HOUSE.

> >

> > ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT ASPECTS, THE POWER IF U ARE

> > FINING IN

> > NAVAMSA, IS BASED THEN ONLY BASIC POWER MEANS WE WILL NOT

> > CONSIDER

> > 4:10 OR ASPECTS POWER TRANSFER IN NAVAMSA THAT IS ONLY DONE IN

> > RASI

> > BUT NOT IN NAVAMSA.

> >

> > SO WE DO NOT TAKE ASPECTS FOR POWER IN NAVAMSA BUT ONLY THE

> > BASIC

> > STRENGTH.

> >

> > SO ASPECTS ARE TO BE TAKEN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN KAS WE DO

> > SEPARATE OR SAY

> > DISTINGUISH FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

> >

> > NAVAMSA AS IN INDIVIDUAL CHART IF STUDIED AND THE POWER FOR

> > ALL 12

> > HOUSES AND OF 7TH PLANETS IN NAVAMSA - MEANS STUDYING NAVAMSA

> > AS A

> > D-CHART THEN IN THAT CASE WE TAKE ONLY BASIC STRENGTH FROM SAV

> > OF

> > NAVAMSA ONLY.

> >

> > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> > as if

> > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >

> > ASH : YOGAS, OR SAY SARVASHTAKAVARGA IS CASTED IN ALL D CHARTS

> > SO IT

> > MEANS THAT PLANETS RELATION W.R.T EACH OTHER OR YOGAS ARE

> > CONSIDERED

> > AND THAT POWER I.E. WHEN WE FIND THE BASIC STRENGTH THEN THAT

> > GIVES

> > THE POWER OF 7 PLANETS IN 12 HOUSES IN NAVAMSA ONLY, SO HERE

> > IT

> > NAVAMSA IS A D-CHART AND LIKE ALL D-CHART WHEN FINDING POWER U

> > ONLY

> > CHECK THE BASIC STRENGTH AND NO ASPECTS OR 4:10 ARE CONSIDERED

> > FOR

> > D-CHART AND NAVAMSA AS WELL WHICH IS ALSO A D-CHART.

> >

> > >

> > > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart,

> > it

> > > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> > equal

> > > halves representing the native.

> >

> > ASH : WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U CAN'T FIND THE SAMDHARMI'S IN A WAY,

> > AND IT

> > WOULD ALSO BECOME INCOMPLETE TO FIND THE TIMING OF EVENT AS U

> > ALSO

> > CHECK THE ASPECTS OF THE LORDS OF RASI IN NAVAMSA AS WELL.

> >

> > SAY JUPITER IS ASPECTING 2ND HOUSE IN RASI AND THE LORD OF 7TH

> > HOUSE

> > OF RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN ALSO IT CAN GIVE DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE

> > MATTERS.

> >

> > SO WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U WILL ONLY HAVE TO DO ALL THIS MATH BASED

> > ON

> > DEGREE'S OF RASI, BUT NAVAMSA GIVES US A GOOD CHART TO SEE ALL

> > THIS

> > CLEARLY AS A CHART AS WELL.

> >

> > >

> > > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What

> > I

> > > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > varga

> > > charts!

> >

> > ASH : YES, I TRIED TO GIVE THE REASONS AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING

> > OF KAS.

> > NAVAMSA IS A VARGA, BUT AN IMPORTANT VARGA AS WITHOUT THAT

> > TIMING OF

> > EVENTS, SAMDHARMIS, BLESSINGS ETC CAN BE FOUND.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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July 1, 2007

Dear Krishna ji,

Why Navamsa is so important?

The answer is straight forward - because it is 1/9 th of a sign and

1/4 th of a Stellar division at the same time; i.e. It is a division

of both Rasi chakra and Nakhatra Chakara and thus gets double importance.

Further it is based on the 108 Navamsa divisions that the initial

division of zodiac into signs and stellar divisions done. It is the

Yugadi planetary position in which the Vernal Equinox at the middle of

Rohini star (Braha;Prajapati; 46 deg 40 min) and Autmn equinox at

Moola star (240 deg) that caused the division of zodiac in to 12 signs

and taking Moola as the fiducial star and Jyeshta as the first stellar

division.

There is 108 Navamsa divisions. As Subhash Kak ji states, 108 times

Moon's diameter is the distance from Moon to earth; 108 times earth's

diameter is the distance from Earth to Sun; and diameter of Sun is 108

times earth's diameter.

Can't you see why the 108 divisions of Navamsa is important, and

forms the base of the whole astrological system?

Love,

Sreenadh