Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 There is a very wise person -- J. Dheendsa jee. He is into Lal-Qitab and has a scanned version on Lulu.com if I recall correctly. You may wish to contact him -- possibly on Lal Kitab forum. He can tell you more about the versions etc. Not sure which version he had. Regards RR , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Gurudev, > The original publications are not flawless. > The first edition printed in 1939 had many errors; the errata for 1939 was published in the 1940 edition. > Other editions also have some misprints. >  Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 11:01:55 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Is the original flawless or is it like the birthtimes that cross the desks of jyotishis ;-) > > RR > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only. > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring. > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ....> > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may.... > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > <> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta.. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > <> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there... > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years " sandhyamshayorantareNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupitam " . here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for 1555200 billion years.'' '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas of 43,20,000 years'' . Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM  But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) RR , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > Jee Baba, > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Santosh Ji > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Sir, > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > cases. > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Dear Shri Suresh Ji, ...Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM  Dear Krishna ji, I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for 1555200 billion years.'' '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas of 43,20,000 years'' . Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM  But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) RR , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ....> wrote: > > Jee Baba, > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Santosh Ji > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Sir, > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > cases. > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Krishna ji, that is great. the created wants to become creator. is it something like " aham brahmasmi " which could itself be an illusion created by the maya. No wonder the planets are retrograde now. or is it reality ? " vikaaraiH sahito yuktairvisheShadibhiraavritaH aaNDakosho bahirayaM panchaashatkoTi vistritaH dashottaraadhikairyatra praviShTaH paramaaNuvat lakshyate antargataashchaanye koTisho hyaNDaraashayaH tadaahurakshraM brahma sarvakaaraNakaaraNam vishnordhaama paraM saakshaatpurushasya mahaatmanaH " The universe which is egg shaped and constituted of 8 principles and 16 tatwas is 5 million yojanas wide and is covered by 7 sheaths each of which is ten times larger than the one it is surrounding. That which is the cause of what looks like a " Paramanu " (atom?) with all its sheaths and which consists of thousands of other universe is called brahma and is the reality of the supreme spirit (paramathma) Lord Vishnu. Note: one can see that ancients had knowledge of other universes and equates this unverse to a " paramanu " atom?. If this universe is only a atom what is the complete form? comprende? " naahaM na yuuyaM gatim vidurna vaamadevah kimutaapare suraah tanmaayayaa mohitabudvayastividam vinirmitam chaatmasamam vichakshmae " Neither myself (brahma) nor you (sons of bramaha - narada etc) nor even vamadeva (lord shiva) knows his true nature. Then how could the other gods know it?. our mind is so confounded that we fail to comprehend the reality of this universe, but merely speculate about it according to our own understanding doesn't the last line tell it all?   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Suresh Ji, ...Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM  Dear Krishna ji, I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for 1555200 billion years.'' '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas of 43,20,000 years'' . Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM  But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) RR , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ....> wrote: > > Jee Baba, > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Santosh Ji > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Sir, > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > cases. > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same? # yes it is same. Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names # this is based on jupiter  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Suresh Ji, ...Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM  Dear Krishna ji, I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for 1555200 billion years.'' '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas of 43,20,000 years'' . Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM  But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) RR , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ....> wrote: > > Jee Baba, > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Santosh Ji > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Sir, > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > cases. > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Sureshji, kindly let me have yr phone/mobile in order to talk to you - regards pdk --- On Tue, 26/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 14:12 > > > > > > > > >  > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in > Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same? > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such > yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as > Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 (AT) (DOT) > com> > > @ > . com > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the > length of the yuga. > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad > Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years > as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year > names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 > names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > calculations of yugas. > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty > of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral > Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. > Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay > jha also. > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have > re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human > years > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human > years > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa > that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 > celestial years > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH > shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human > years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of > Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human > life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) > due to other standards of measurement of time. > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 > (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - > 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. > These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- > bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into > " time " ). However the mute point is the span of > human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the > Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more > pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma > sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base > is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to > differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One > day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the > age of Sun which may turn into > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in > existence for > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in > the 51st > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 > mahayugas > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral > Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > >  > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > <bursar_99@. ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all > counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the > gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem > Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to > Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This > apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it > has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with > Nature was always tied with his explorations and development > of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many > folds to understand many things which has a serious impact > on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through > Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even > more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due > to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where > Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si > he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature > by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun > rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced > without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts > available in litterature are far from verification and r > subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to > Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years > referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The > cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is > beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for > many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with > views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi > rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting > thought. it is not a grand discovery but > nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by > moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth > day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to > increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power > of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some > period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) > years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the > present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun > also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national > geographic and theoritical science, during this period there > was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man > existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of > man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the > current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for > hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance > future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete > one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on > our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 (AT) (DOT) > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi > rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only > after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of > years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta > Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through > Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these > is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga > is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of > SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for > answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from > collective as the question was sharp and has something else > to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ > . com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi > rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running > in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get > back to you after i know the above answer either from you or > anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just > like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana > when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 (AT) (DOT) > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi > rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through > ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born > is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and > compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for > sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that > total protection from the Super Power is believed and > trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach > that " Aham " promotes " brih " In > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand > " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be > necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise > Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that > postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him > are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to > make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past > karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things > around him have only to be grateful to the God as an > opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets > While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri > <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ > .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi > rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning > 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the > final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between > free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the > two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous > karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the > thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral > level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to > operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through > Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the > ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance > and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to > deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical > sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a > meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While > Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans > Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri > <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. > co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ > .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. > co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se > shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. > com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, > with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire > will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on > the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather > energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical > reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that > BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the > beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis > who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also > created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the > universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his > mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. > .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the > female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information > is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called > " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation > theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his > mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own > destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, > I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's > in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that > you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, > are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make > mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that > you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that > you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Gurudev, We have collected and all the 5 editions in original and put it on net for free download. We have transliterated / transcripted 1941 edition from urdu to hindi with utmost care that even page number, line number, word number remains same as in the original. It too is available for free download at  an international Open Library website  http://www.archive. org/details/ LalKitab1941  Regards Kulbir Bains     Regards Kulbir Bains -------------. ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Mon, 25 January, 2010 3:18:52 PM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  There is a very wise person -- J.. Dheendsa jee. He is into Lal-Qitab and has a scanned version on Lulu.com if I recall correctly. You may wish to contact him -- possibly on Lal Kitab forum. He can tell you more about the versions etc. Not sure which version he had. Regards RR , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > Gurudev, > The original publications are not flawless. > The first edition printed in 1939 had many errors; the errata for 1939 was published in the 1940 edition. > Other editions also have some misprints. >  Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 11:01:55 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Is the original flawless or is it like the birthtimes that cross the desks of jyotishis ;-) > > RR > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only. > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring. > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ....> > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may.... > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically.. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > <> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta.. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > <> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there... > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 (AT) (DOT) . com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'.. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Shenoy jee, It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel's back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. RR , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > " sandhyamshayorantareNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupitam " . > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > 1555200 billion years.'' > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > of 43,20,000 years'' . > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > >  > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > RR > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Shenoy jee, It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. RR , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > 1555200 billion years.'' > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > of 43,20,000 years'' . > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > >  > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > RR > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Did the group of discussants lost focus, Shenoy ji, or you did not *move* with the rest of your 'Group/Team' " And now you are complaining to the bystanders in the STADIUM that none of your *team* is throwing you a ball! Play with the team and remain flexible and alert for the balls that were sent your way... ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? > > For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. > > My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Shenoy jee, > > It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. > > RR > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya .. So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > >  > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. .. need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 what " group/team " are you talking about? very sorry to say that you have grossly misunderstood me or should I say " Grouply " Like I said tounge & pen could be twisted anyway and you do it well - overdo it I should say. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, January 28, 2010 6:12:09 AM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Did the group of discussants lost focus, Shenoy ji, or you did not *move* with the rest of your 'Group/Team' " And now you are complaining to the bystanders in the STADIUM that none of your *team* is throwing you a ball! Play with the team and remain flexible and alert for the balls that were sent your way... ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? > > For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. > > My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Shenoy jee, > > It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. > > RR > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya .. So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > >  > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. .. need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I could not understand your message Suresh Babu Shenoy through your TYPOs! I hope you are feeling alright and your computer is too? Internet sometimes introduces so many 'distractions' and speedbumps! Please take care! We adore you Suresh Shenoy jee!! RR__, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > what " group/team " are you talking about? > > very sorry to say that you have grossly misunderstood me or should I say " Grouply " > > Like I said tounge & pen could be twisted anyway and you do it well - overdo it I should say. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, January 28, 2010 6:12:09 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Did the group of discussants lost focus, Shenoy ji, or you did not *move* with the rest of your 'Group/Team' " > > And now you are complaining to the bystanders in the STADIUM that none of your *team* is throwing you a ball! > > Play with the team and remain flexible and alert for the balls that were sent your way... ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? > > > > For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. > > > > My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > Shenoy jee, > > > > It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) > > > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. > > > > RR > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Santosh, If Rama and Krishna lived in Treta yuga and Dwapara yuga respectively,their birth data should be between 12.96 lakh years and 8.64 lakh years for Rama and 8.64 lakh years and 4.32 lakhs  for Krishna But Some astrologers have been discussing charts of Lord Rama and Lord Krishna having birth data of some 3000 BC and 5000 BC approx .How come? Anybody can explain if they know the answer. Thanks and best wishes vishnu --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:31 AM  what " group/team " are you talking about? very sorry to say that you have grossly misunderstood me or should I say " Grouply " Like I said tounge & pen could be twisted anyway and you do it well - overdo it I should say. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, January 28, 2010 6:12:09 AM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi  Did the group of discussants lost focus, Shenoy ji, or you did not *move* with the rest of your 'Group/Team' " And now you are complaining to the bystanders in the STADIUM that none of your *team* is throwing you a ball! Play with the team and remain flexible and alert for the balls that were sent your way... ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? > > For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. > > My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Shenoy jee, > > It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. > > RR > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya .. So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > >  > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. .. need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Lord Rama : end of Tretayuga. Lord Krishna : end of Dvaaparayuga. Dvaaparayuga ended on 17-18 Feb midnight 3101 BC Julian (mean date), or over 2 days ago in true date. -VJ ====================== == , Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj wrote: > > Dear Santosh, > If Rama and Krishna lived in Treta yuga and Dwapara yuga respectively,their birth data should be between 12.96 lakh years and 8.64 lakh years for Rama and 8.64 lakh years and 4.32 lakhs  for Krishna > But Some astrologers have been discussing charts of Lord Rama and Lord Krishna having birth data of some 3000 BC and 5000 BC approx .How come? > Anybody can explain if they know the answer. > > Thanks and best wishes > vishnu > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:31 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > what " group/team " are you talking about? > > > > very sorry to say that you have grossly misunderstood me or should I say " Grouply " > > > > Like I said tounge & pen could be twisted anyway and you do it well - overdo it I should say. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 6:12:09 AM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > Did the group of discussants lost focus, Shenoy ji, or you did not *move* with the rest of your 'Group/Team' " > > > > And now you are complaining to the bystanders in the STADIUM that none of your *team* is throwing you a ball! > > > > Play with the team and remain flexible and alert for the balls that were sent your way... ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > I would not dab it as wild, rather lost focus. The original message posted by santhosh surely is worth exploring given the many dimensions that " time " has. However the question is are these computaions very linear and depended on contants throughtout these very huge timeperiods? How reliable are such contants? > > > > > > For ex: last week I was testing with some computaions on sunrise / set & other factors and for trial sake change the value of Pi from 3.1415926559 to 3.14159265359 with the difference between these values being only -0.00000000231. However the difference in the longitude of lagna under certain conditions was about 5deg - a huge change. Note that both these values are correct and used with other constants. > > > > > > My point is : are these changes in the rotation of moon linear on a straight line or does it work the needle of clock with imbalance in weight? Do we have enough knowledge / information on these and other factors? > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 4:48:06 AM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Shenoy jee, > > > > > > It is another thread gone wild and this time we cannot lay the blame on stationary saturn retrogressing or mercury going retrograde or other similar excuses some of the astro-philes love to load on to the Jyotish-Camel' s back (that is why I have moved my books and notes and thoughts from the fragile and sensitive back of the Camel to the Elephant's ... :-) > > > > > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri provided an alternative time-scale as elaborated in The Holy Science. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dear Members, Please address this request, Vishnu ji has raised a really important querry. Regards Kulbir Bains ________________________________ Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj Thu, 28 January, 2010 11:45:39 AM Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi Dear Santosh, If Rama and Krishna lived in Treta yuga and Dwapara yuga respectively, their birth data should be between 12.96 lakh years and 8.64 lakh years for Rama and 8.64 lakh years and 4.32 lakhs for Krishna But Some astrologers have been discussing charts of Lord Rama and Lord Krishna having birth data of some 3000 BC and 5000 BC approx .How come? Anybody can explain if they know the answer. Thanks and best wishes vishnu Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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