query - bhakut dosha

[Guest guest]

Krishna ji,

 

Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

 

The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and

follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use

to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

 

Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

 

When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same

basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one

goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though

calculators are very common. why?

 

Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them

correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

     

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

Sirs,

Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing

blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an

astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help

him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall

only confuse them further.

 

Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

Marriage compatabilty

============ ========= =

Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was

used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for

system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about

why they are formed.

 

Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together

through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart.

This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time  when

sorrow strikes.

 

These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

This is very clear from the following:

" yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

There a few factors to be well understood here.

A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

 

The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

  

Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

 

Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

 

But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

dear shri krishnaji,

Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

cliks and they live a happy life.

 

 

regards,

k.gopu

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

 

 

Rohini Ji,

Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind

of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human

Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good

and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Aditi,

>

> Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

>

> Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

>

> Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

>

> Take care...!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Hello/ Namaste,

> >

> > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut

dosha?

> >

> > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Aditi Budhiraja

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

 

There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

 

Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

 

So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

 

It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

 

Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

 

But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a

confined and well-guarded area of belief!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

>

> The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and

follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use

to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

>

> Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

>

> When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same

basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one

goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though

calculators are very common. why?

>

> Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

>      

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> Sirs,

> Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may

help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements

shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need

for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea

about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time 

when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dada,

 

I know that my way of thinking perhaps irritates some people who are very

intelligent and have process-oriented minds or those whose training has been in

the black and white reality of numbers and math (without mincing words and

hopefully not sounding offensive: Engineers, businessmen, Doctors, Accountants,

Math teachers, and those from similar pursuits) who have beautifully embraced

astrology and are bringing much to light.

 

But, I would like to retain my sensitivity and accommodative position towards

those who seek astro-advice.

 

A few of these may be naughty and perhaps " disturbed " but most are perhaps

simply confused. Confused because they may have tried many jyotishis (or other

divinators! Jyotishis alone are not responsible for the confusion rampant in the

world!) and flummoxed and frustrated by the multiple solutions that they have

received! It is a fact and simply the reality and none of us really have the

time, or resources to take up that Torch and make it our life's project to

resolve!

 

It is a very big responsibility to try and CLEAN-UP the HUGE DOMAIN that Jyotish

has become with a lot of heavy politics and personal agendas and lot of

KOOTNEETI, as we see from time to time...

 

But as the hindustani saying goes: Nakkarkhaanay main Tutee ki kya awaaz. Kaun

suntaa hai the soothing sound of the mountain-brook -- Nagaadon kay dhamaakon

kay beech!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sirs,

> Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may

help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements

shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need

for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea

about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time 

when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra Kanth,

 

Well said, put in proper perspective. 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

________________________________

chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

Dear Gurujan,

 

Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both

the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not

allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are

mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for

the problems that crop up in life it will be a  smooth sailing ship  in a sea.

This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the

greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near

future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there

everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the

moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the

otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will

start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming

eachother for problems. Astrology

should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their

rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also

good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy

life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life.

 

Regards

Chanddrakanth D

 

--- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM

 

 

 

Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing

blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an

astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help

him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall

only confuse them further.

 

Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

Marriage compatabilty

 

============ ========= =

 

Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was

used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for

system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about

why they are formed.

 

Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together

through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart.

This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time  when

sorrow strikes.

 

These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

This is very clear from the following:

 

" yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

 

sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

There a few factors to be well understood here.

 

A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

 

The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

 

  

 

Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

 

Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

 

But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

 

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

dear shri krishnaji,

 

Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

 

factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

 

harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

 

cliks and they live a happy life.

 

 

 

 

 

regards,

 

k.gopu

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

 

 

Rohini Ji,

 

Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind

of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

 

Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

 

As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

 

Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

Vattem Krishnan

 

Cyber Jyotish Services

 

(For all counseling services)

 

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human

Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members,

 

> Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

 

> Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good

and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

 

> V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

 

> The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

 

> This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

 

>

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan

 

> Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> (For all counseling services)

 

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

>  

 

>

 

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Dear Aditi,

 

>

 

> Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

 

>

 

> Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

 

>

 

> Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

 

>

 

> Take care...!

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Hello/ Namaste,

 

> >

 

> > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut

dosha?

 

> >

 

> > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

 

> >

 

> > Best Regards,

 

> > Aditi Budhiraja

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Infact this thread of bhakoot dosha has for long time gone into circles deviated

from the main issue and all other sundry issues r included to reply in a manner

as if this significance made out was totally different from what has been

told/written/made out in classiclas.

At this juncture I feel that as person taking the onus to guide/counsel is

always different from a person who makes a peer review or as an

examiner/reviewer who has a view onthe subject. 

Internet Astrology otherwise instant Astrology has it's own ways for the

professionals or for the members to understand and to provide solutions to the

needy one.I have nothing to opine in this regard.

For a question like " when will I get married " ?,the Astrologer has to clarify

based on certain parameters as enunuciated,understood learnt by the

professional.

For me this type of question carries little conviction.So to the extent of my

awreness,professional approach,knowledge,my answer will be:you r likely to get

marries in th year 2010 before june26th.

Others who are also interested in providing solutions in  a manner that can be

appreciated or understood or his confused state is cleared is dependent on his

style and way understood ,I have no comment nor I have interest to clarify.

My concern however for more than a decade in this media of Astrological

counselling/advice has been:

1.Addressing in a routine manner not much showing any keenness on his part to

resolve issue

2.In my own approach,if I suggest/make couple of advices,for the person has no

meaning/appreciation either as yes or no or his own comments

3.Certain issues of the topic on delay in marraige ,the issue of sade sati or

kuja dosha or nadi are raised.as if it is due to that particular issue every

thing looks to be held up or he was guided as such by some body else.

4.we have also friends and others trying to provide solutions about whom I do

not say any thing but keep silent.

5.Some strategic issues like free will or destiny or result of karmas or when I

can be free from these problems r also not un common.For such issues of general

interst and concern probably some 3-4 people may attend to the topic and convey

in their own manner.

Finally knowledge of Astrology,correct guidnace,removing the confusion etc

depned on review as it is a open forum and has a feed back on the responses and

also simultaneous peer review on the issue.

In fact there are rarely issues coming which r not in the nature of

jobs,marriages children etc,which certainly needs some time to prepare and

answer.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Friday, January 22, 2010, 12:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Chandra Kanth,

 

Well said, put in proper perspective. 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd@ .co. in>

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

Dear Gurujan,

 

Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both

the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not

allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are

mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for

the problems that crop up in life it will be a  smooth sailing ship  in a sea.

This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the

greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near

future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there

everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the

moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the

otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will

start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming

eachother for problems. Astrology

should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their

rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also

good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy

life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life.

 

Regards

Chanddrakanth D

 

--- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM

 

 

 

Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing

blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an

astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help

him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall

only confuse them further.

 

Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

Marriage compatabilty

 

============ ========= =

 

Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was

used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for

system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about

why they are formed.

 

Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together

through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart.

This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time  when

sorrow strikes.

 

These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

This is very clear from the following:

 

" yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

 

sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

There a few factors to be well understood here.

 

A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

 

The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

 

  

 

Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

 

Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

 

But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

 

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

dear shri krishnaji,

 

Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

 

factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

 

harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

 

cliks and they live a happy life.

 

 

 

 

 

regards,

 

k.gopu

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

 

 

Rohini Ji,

 

Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind

of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

 

Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

 

As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

 

Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

Vattem Krishnan

 

Cyber Jyotish Services

 

(For all counseling services)

 

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human

Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members,

 

> Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

 

> Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good

and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

 

> V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

 

> The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

 

> This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

 

>

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan

 

> Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> (For all counseling services)

 

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

>  

 

>

 

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Dear Aditi,

 

>

 

> Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

 

>

 

> Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

 

>

 

> Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

 

>

 

> Take care...!

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Hello/ Namaste,

 

> >

 

> > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut

dosha?

 

> >

 

> > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

 

> >

 

> > Best Regards,

 

> > Aditi Budhiraja

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear

blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up

The point however  beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum

or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

 

There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

 

Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

 

So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

 

It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

 

Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

 

But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a

confined and well-guarded area of belief!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

>

> The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and

follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use

to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

>

> Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

>

> When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the

same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as

one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables

though calculators are very common. why?

>

> Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

>      

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> Sirs,

> Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values

in their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

We need to be moderate to understand that if some body raises a question to

understand his own case,v can with our professional approach spell out.

if sombody raises a question but wants a fuller implication,it is better he

endeavours a class room approach to learn and seek clarification on such issues.

In any case sppon feeding in a forum like this is not a way to deal with matters

of utmost significance.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

 

There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

 

Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

 

So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

 

It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

 

Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

 

But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a

confined and well-guarded area of belief!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

>

> The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and

follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use

to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

>

> Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

>

> When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the

same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as

one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables

though calculators are very common. why?

>

> Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

>      

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> Sirs,

> Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values

in their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

it comes to family life.

Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.

 

thanks,

regards,

k.gopu

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing

blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an

astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help

him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall

only confuse them further.

 

Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

Marriage compatabilty

============ ========= =

Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was

used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for

system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about

why they are formed.

 

Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together

through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart.

This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time  when

sorrow strikes.

 

These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

This is very clear from the following:

" yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

There a few factors to be well understood here.

A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

 

The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

  

Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

 

Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

 

But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

dear shri krishnaji,

Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

cliks and they live a happy life.

 

 

regards,

k.gopu

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

 

 

Rohini Ji,

Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind

of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human

Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good

and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Aditi,

>

> Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

>

> Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

>

> Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

>

> Take care...!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Hello/ Namaste,

> >

> > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut

dosha?

> >

> > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Aditi Budhiraja

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sureshji

 

Regards

Chanddra

 

--- On Fri, 22/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Friday, 22 January, 2010, 10:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Chandra Kanth,

 

 

 

Well said, put in proper perspective. 

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd@ .co. in>

 

 

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gurujan,

 

 

 

Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both

the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not

allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are

mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for

the problems that crop up in life it will be a  smooth sailing ship  in a sea.

This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the

greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near

future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there

everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the

moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the

otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will

start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming

eachother for problems. Astrology

 

should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their

rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also

good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy

life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Chanddrakanth D

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

 

 

Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing

blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an

astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help

him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall

only confuse them further.

 

 

 

Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

 

 

Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

 

 

Marriage compatabilty

 

 

 

============ ========= =

 

 

 

Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

 

 

Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was

used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for

system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about

why they are formed.

 

 

 

Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

 

 

A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

 

 

These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

 

 

The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together

through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart.

This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time  when

sorrow strikes.

 

 

 

These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

 

 

This is very clear from the following:

 

 

 

" yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

 

 

 

sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

 

 

The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

 

 

There a few factors to be well understood here.

 

 

 

A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

 

 

It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

 

 

b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

 

 

C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

 

 

In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

 

 

 

The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

 

 

 

Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

 

 

Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

 

 

 

But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

 

 

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear shri krishnaji,

 

 

 

Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

 

 

 

factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

 

 

 

harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

 

 

 

cliks and they live a happy life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

regards,

 

 

 

k.gopu

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

 

 

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rohini Ji,

 

 

 

Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind

of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

 

 

 

Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

 

 

 

As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

 

 

 

Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

 

 

 

Cyber Jyotish Services

 

 

 

(For all counseling services)

 

 

 

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

 

 

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

 

 

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

 

 

Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human

Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

 

 

Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Dear Members,

 

 

 

> Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

 

 

 

> Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good

and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

 

 

 

> V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

 

 

 

> The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

 

 

 

> This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Vattem Krishnan

 

 

 

> Cyber Jyotish Services

 

 

 

> (For all counseling services)

 

 

 

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

 

 

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

 

>  

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

 

 

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>  

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Dear Aditi,

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Take care...!

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Hello/ Namaste,

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut

dosha?

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Best Regards,

 

 

 

> > Aditi Budhiraja

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas

in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account

certain unique demographic facts about India:

 

70% of Indians live in villages

Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume.

 

Does the 1-2% rate represent:

= Divorce rates in urban India?

= Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect

that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to

end up in divorces readily!).

= Other confounding factors ...!

 

Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and

best utilized intelligently!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

> a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> it comes to family life.

> Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.

>  

> thanks,

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may

help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements

shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need

for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea

about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time 

when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not

get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human

beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not

have strong legs to stand!

 

Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say

only 75 years old!

 

While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to

look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years

despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases

I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by

fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting

on...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear

blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up

> The point however  beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum

or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

>

> There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

>

> Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

>

> So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

>

> It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

>

> Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

>

> But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in

a confined and well-guarded area of belief!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

> >

> > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice

and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any

use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

> >

> > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

> >

> > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the

same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as

one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables

though calculators are very common. why?

> >

> > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

> >      

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > Sirs,

> > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

> >

> > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

> >

> > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> >

> > Marriage compatabilty

> > ============ ========= =

> > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> >

> > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

> >

> > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> >

> > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> >

> > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> >

> > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> >

> > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> >

> > This is very clear from the following:

> > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> >

> > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> >

> > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a

factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> >

> > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

> >

> > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> >

> > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

> >

> > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

> >

> > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

> >   

> > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those

values in their society.

> >

> > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

> >

> > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> >

> > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > dear shri krishnaji,

> > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > cliks and they live a happy life.

> >  

> >  

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> >

> > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aditi,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > >

> > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > >

> > > Take care...!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > >

> > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dada,

 

I can sense that something is really bothering you, but unless you come out and

say it directly, none of us may ever get it! We are collectively -- hardly

prognosticators, let alone mind-readers!

 

Am I sensing rightly or just imagining ;-)

 

C'mon blurt it out, I will not hurl abuses in gutter language at you, I

promise... :-)

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> We need to be moderate to understand that if some body raises a question to

understand his own case,v can with our professional approach spell out.

> if sombody raises a question but wants a fuller implication,it is better he

endeavours a class room approach to learn and seek clarification on such issues.

> In any case sppon feeding in a forum like this is not a way to deal with

matters of utmost significance.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

>

> There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

>

> Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

>

> So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

>

> It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

>

> Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

>

> But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in

a confined and well-guarded area of belief!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

> >

> > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice

and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any

use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

> >

> > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

> >

> > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the

same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as

one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables

though calculators are very common. why?

> >

> > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

> >      

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > Sirs,

> > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

> >

> > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

> >

> > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> >

> > Marriage compatabilty

> > ============ ========= =

> > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> >

> > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

> >

> > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> >

> > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> >

> > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> >

> > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> >

> > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> >

> > This is very clear from the following:

> > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> >

> > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> >

> > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a

factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> >

> > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

> >

> > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> >

> > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

> >

> > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

> >

> > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

> >   

> > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those

values in their society.

> >

> > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

> >

> > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> >

> > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > dear shri krishnaji,

> > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > cliks and they live a happy life.

> >  

> >  

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> >

> > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aditi,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > >

> > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > >

> > > Take care...!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > >

> > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty.other wise a the palmyra leaves got

effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary

process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the

religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care

and and do dressing for those slighted human beings.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not

get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human

beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not

have strong legs to stand!

 

Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say

only 75 years old!

 

While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to

look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years

despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases

I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by

fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting

on...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear

blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up

> The point however  beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group

/forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological

purposes.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

>

> There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a

nail! "

>

> Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

>

> So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

>

> It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion

and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students

must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but

forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn

astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

>

> Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

>

> But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in

a confined and well-guarded area of belief!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

> >

> > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice

and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any

use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

> >

> > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that

" Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for

the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

> >

> > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is

the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more

as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication

tables though calculators are very common. why?

> >

> > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply

them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.

> >      

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > Sirs,

> > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear

direction that may help him in his already confused state.

riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further.

> >

> > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person

need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos

who are realy serious will find out themselves.   

> >

> > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> >

> > Marriage compatabilty

> > ============ ========= =

> > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> >

> > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we

understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not

have a real idea about why they are formed.

> >

> > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> >

> > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> >

> > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> >

> > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> >

> > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side

dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> >

> > This is very clear from the following:

> > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> >

> > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most

relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> >

> > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a

factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> >

> > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

> >

> > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> >

> > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most

loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off

the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to

avoid.

> >

> > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction

for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out

of the bondage  sooner than expected.

> >

> > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or

criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core

concept remains the same.

> >   

> > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those

values in their society.

> >

> > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents..

> >

> > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> >

> > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > dear shri krishnaji,

> > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > cliks and they live a happy life.

> >  

> >  

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of 

sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling

desires.

> > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> >

> > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent "

some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool

courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their

revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aditi,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > >

> > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > >

> > > Take care...!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > >

> > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Members.

Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture.They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in

harmony r slightly different.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas

in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account

certain unique demographic facts about India:

 

70% of Indians live in villages

Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume.

 

Does the 1-2% rate represent:

= Divorce rates in urban India?

= Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect

that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to

end up in divorces readily!).

= Other confounding factors ...!

 

Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and

best utilized intelligently!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

> a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> it comes to family life.

> Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life..

>  

> thanks,

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values

in their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hoping is not the same as Wishing, Dada!

 

You have stopped trusting in God, it seems :-)

 

Even if all leaves and the fungus that had been growing on them vanishes,

Jyotish will live because it has entered the soul of humanity and is here to

stay!

 

Why do I say so?

 

Well -- that should be simple to figure out ;-)

 

If attention was being paid ...!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty.other wise a the palmyra leaves got

effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary

process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the

religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care

and and do dressing for those slighted human beings.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and

not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human

beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not

have strong legs to stand!

>

> Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh

say only 75 years old!

>

> While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings

to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years

despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases

I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by

fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting

on...!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear

blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up

> > The point however  beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group

/forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological

purposes.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

> >

> > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like

a nail! "

> >

> > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

> >

> > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

> >

> > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a

religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that

students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc

but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to

learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

> >

> > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

> >

> > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable

in a confined and well-guarded area of belief!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

> > >

> > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice

and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any

use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

> > >

> > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit

that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better

for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

> > >

> > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it

is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them &

more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the

multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why?

> > >

> > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to

apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for

judgement.

> > >      

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > >  

> > > Sirs,

> > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and

the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> > >

> > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear

direction that may help him in his already confused state.

riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further.

> > >

> > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person

need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos

who are realy serious will find out themselves.   

> > >

> > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> > >

> > > Marriage compatabilty

> > > ============ ========= =

> > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> > >

> > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we

understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not

have a real idea about why they are formed.

> > >

> > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> > >

> > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> > >

> > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness

but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> > >

> > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> > >

> > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side

dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> > >

> > > This is very clear from the following:

> > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> > >

> > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most

relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> > >

> > > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is

a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> > >

> > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try

to take over and push you on the side.

> > >

> > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> > >

> > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most

loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off

the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to

avoid.

> > >

> > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional

attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their

mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner than expected.

> > >

> > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or

criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core

concept remains the same.

> > >   

> > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to

those values in their society.

> > >

> > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents..

> > >

> > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> > >

> > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have,

then there is not use of such system or astrology.

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > >  

> > > dear shri krishnaji,

> > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > > cliks and they live a happy life.

> > >  

> > >  

> > > regards,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji,

> > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of 

sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling

desires.

> > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> > >

> > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and

realistically ponder about!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to

the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the

old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps toÃÆ'‚ 

" prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our

texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also

quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Aditi,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > > >

> > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > > >

> > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one

locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > > >

> > > > Take care...!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point

of view?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..

http://in.. com/

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dada,

Certainly " If attention was being paid ...! " " this condition is most essentail.

to make issues more simplified

 Let us " Jyotish will live " a wish that has to be promoted by all those who

devoted their time and tried to pass on the baton so that no body would attempt

to negate Thought(hope)

//(hoping that) people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get

enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings!

//

Iam sure this is not a writing on the wall.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:50 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hoping is not the same as Wishing, Dada!

 

You have stopped trusting in God, it seems :-)

 

Even if all leaves and the fungus that had been growing on them vanishes,

Jyotish will live because it has entered the soul of humanity and is here to

stay!

 

Why do I say so?

 

Well -- that should be simple to figure out ;-)

 

If attention was being paid ...!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty. other wise a the palmyra leaves got

effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary

process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the

religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care

and and do dressing for those slighted human beings.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and

not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human

beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not

have strong legs to stand!

>

> Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh

say only 75 years old!

>

> While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings

to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years

despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases

I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by

fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting

on...!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear

blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up

> > The point however  beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the

group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological

purposes.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees!

> >

> > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like

a nail! "

> >

> > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can

learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require

more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and

consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet

fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not

a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and

have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn.

> >

> > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible

minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use

other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course.

> >

> > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a

religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that

students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc

but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to

learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and

philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be

ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on

modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more

modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of

course and others may disagree, understandably! :-)

> >

> > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of

styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some

cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and

then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully

understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage

to astrology than being more accommodating!

> >

> > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable

in a confined and well-guarded area of belief!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it.

> > >

> > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice

and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any

use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can

imagine what shall be outcome.

> > >

> > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit

that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better

for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around.

> > >

> > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd

level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using

them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the

kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why?

> > >

> > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to

apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for

judgement.

> > >

    \

 

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > >  

> > > Sirs,

> > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and

the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> > >

> > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear

direction that may help him in his already

confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them

further.

> > >

> > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No

one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every

one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.

  

> > >

> > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> > >

> > > Marriage compatabilty

> > > ============ ========= =

> > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> > >

> > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as

well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage

concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed.

> > >

> > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> > >

> > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> > >

> > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness

but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> > >

> > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> > >

> > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a

cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures /

suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> > >

> > > This is very clear from the following:

> > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> > >

> > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the

most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not

there..

> > >

> > > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent :

intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions.

this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other

mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a

chara griha - ever changing & less controlable.

> > >

> > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try

to take over and push you on the side.

> > >

> > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> > >

> > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is

were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is

full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this

exactly what any society tries to avoid.

> > >

> > > In normal world scenarios, most

mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and

soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

> > >

> > > The adherence level to the values in life /

marriage or criterias may differ from

society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

> > >   

> > > Indian society still lays more importance to the

adherance to those values in their society.

> > >

> > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents..

> > >

> > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> > >

> > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have,

then there is not use of such system or astrology.

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > >  

> > > dear shri krishnaji,

> > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > > cliks and they live a happy life.

> > >  

> > >  

> > > regards,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji,

> > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim

of  sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote

progeny by fulfilling desires.

> > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> > >

> > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and

realistically ponder about!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to

the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the

old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion..

> > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps

toÃÆ'‚  " prevent " some thing may happen.In

fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and

r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras

or what ever.

> > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\

 Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Aditi,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > > >

> > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > > >

> > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one

locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > > >

> > > > Take care...!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point

of view?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..

http://in.. com/

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living

in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio

is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their

practices and marriages etc and values in general.

 

However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away

from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on

their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Members.

> Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture.They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

> Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce

whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into

account certain unique demographic facts about India:

>

> 70% of Indians live in villages

> Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume.

>

> Does the 1-2% rate represent:

> = Divorce rates in urban India?

> = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect

that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to

end up in divorces readily!).

> = Other confounding factors ...!

>

> Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and

best utilized intelligently!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

> > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> > it comes to family life.

> > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life..

> >  

> > thanks,

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

> >

> > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

> >

> > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> >

> > Marriage compatabilty

> > ============ ========= =

> > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> >

> > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

> >

> > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> >

> > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> >

> > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> >

> > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> >

> > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> >

> > This is very clear from the following:

> > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> >

> > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> >

> > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a

factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> >

> > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

> >

> > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> >

> > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

> >

> > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

> >

> > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

> >   

> > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those

values in their society.

> >

> > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

> >

> > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> >

> > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > dear shri krishnaji,

> > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > cliks and they live a happy life.

> >  

> >  

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> >

> > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aditi,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > >

> > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > >

> > > Take care...!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > >

> > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Undoubted ly.Certain issues relating to dosha that too bhakut r

misconception.good v leave things

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:44 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living

in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio

is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their

practices and marriages etc and values in general.

 

However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away

from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on

their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members.

> Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

> Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce

whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into

account certain unique demographic facts about India:

>

> 70% of Indians live in villages

> Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume.

>

> Does the 1-2% rate represent:

> = Divorce rates in urban India?

> = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect

that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to

end up in divorces readily!).

> = Other confounding factors ...!

>

> Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and

best utilized intelligently!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed

with

> > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> > it comes to family life.

> > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life..

> >  

> > thanks,

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear

direction that may help him in his already confused state.

riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further.

> >

> > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person

need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos

who are realy serious will find out themselves.   

> >

> > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> >

> > Marriage compatabilty

> > ============ ========= =

> > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> >

> > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we

understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not

have a real idea about why they are formed.

> >

> > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> >

> > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> >

> > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> >

> > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> >

> > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side

dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> >

> > This is very clear from the following:

> > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> >

> > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most

relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> >

> > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a

factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> >

> > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

> >

> > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> >

> > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most

loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off

the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to

avoid.

> >

> > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction

for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out

of the bondage  sooner than expected.

> >

> > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or

criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core

concept remains the same.

> >   

> > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those

values in their society.

> >

> > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents..

> >

> > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> >

> > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> >  

> > dear shri krishnaji,

> > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > cliks and they live a happy life.

> >  

> >  

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of 

sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling

desires.

> > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> >

> > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent "

some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool

courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their

revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aditi,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > >

> > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > >

> > > Take care...!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > >

> > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

NO NO DADA! You misunderstand ;-)

 

We do not leave BHAKUT and Melapak and other jyotish diggings!

We just leave the discussion regarding stats on Divorces and National statistics

and culture of India etc!

 

Best regards!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Undoubted ly.Certain issues relating to dosha that too bhakut r

misconception.good v leave things

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:44 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people

living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and

radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and

their practices and marriages etc and values in general.

>

> However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move

away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or

carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members.

> > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

> > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce

whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into

account certain unique demographic facts about India:

> >

> > 70% of Indians live in villages

> > Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume.

> >

> > Does the 1-2% rate represent:

> > = Divorce rates in urban India?

> > = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting

effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend

not to end up in divorces readily!).

> > = Other confounding factors ...!

> >

> > Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and

best utilized intelligently!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> > > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> > > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed

with

> > > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> > > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> > > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> > > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> > > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> > > it comes to family life.

> > > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital

life..

> > >  

> > > thanks,

> > > regards,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gopu ji & others,

> > >

> > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear

direction that may help him in his already confused state.

riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further.

> > >

> > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person

need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos

who are realy serious will find out themselves.   

> > >

> > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

> > >

> > > Marriage compatabilty

> > > ============ ========= =

> > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

> > >

> > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we

understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not

have a real idea about why they are formed.

> > >

> > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated

in order to safe guard this institution.

> > >

> > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a

state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

> > >

> > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness

but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

> > >

> > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

> > >

> > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side

dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

> > >

> > > This is very clear from the following:

> > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

> > >

> > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to

him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most

relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

> > >

> > > There a few factors to be well understood here.

> > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is

a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person

of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly.

As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever

changing & less controlable.

> > >

> > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try

to take over and push you on the side.

> > >

> > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

> > >

> > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most

loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off

the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to

avoid.

> > >

> > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional

attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their

mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner than expected.

> > >

> > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or

criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core

concept remains the same.

> > >   

> > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to

those values in their society.

> > >

> > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents..

> > >

> > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on

path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

> > >

> > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have,

then there is not use of such system or astrology.

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > >  

> > > dear shri krishnaji,

> > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> > > cliks and they live a happy life.

> > >  

> > >  

> > > regards,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji,

> > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of 

sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling

desires.

> > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the

two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

> > >

> > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and

realistically ponder about!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to

the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the

old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps toÃÆ'‚ 

" prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our

texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also

quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Aditi,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY

didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you

will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one

or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora --

BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...

) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with

examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in

Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy

from what I hear!).

> > > >

> > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> > > >

> > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one

locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> > > >

> > > > Take care...!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , aditi budhiraja

<aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point

of view?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..

http://in.. com/

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir,

TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from

Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural

life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system.

Infact whole village is like an extended family.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living

in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio

is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their

practices and marriages etc and values in general.

 

However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away

from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on

their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members.

> Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

> Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Marketing technica have 2 change,as it is question of Do Roti,3 decades of

evolution from Ramanand Sagar's serials now to jataras.All folk lores have

money.D2H replaced by wire techologies some where .This helped all others to

work and relax with all kinds of media 2 eductae them.of course not to that

littracy missions succeeded.This is ofcourse,a bhakut dosh.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sir,

 

TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from

Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural

life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system.

Infact whole village is like an extended family.

 

 Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

 

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM

 

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

 

 

 

 

Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living

in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio

is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their

practices and marriages etc and values in general.

 

 

 

However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away

from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on

their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members.

 

> Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

 

> Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

 

>

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan

 

> Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> (For all counseling services)

 

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

>  

 

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yes Krishnan Dada!

 

Marketing techniques MUST CHANGE!

 

As also tired commercial signatures! By the HIGH and the LOW!!

 

How and When did COMMERCE enter the TEMPLE? ONE WONDERS!! ;-)

 

MAYBE that is what INTRODUCED or ATTRACTED all this KUFFUFFLE and CRAP here? And

made more work for our Prashant jee??

 

RR_.

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Marketing technica have 2 change,as it is question of Do Roti,3 decades of

evolution from Ramanand Sagar's serials now to jataras.All folk lores have

money.D2H replaced by wire techologies some where .This helped all others to

work and relax with all kinds of media 2 eductae them.of course not to that

littracy missions succeeded.This is ofcourse,a bhakut dosh.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:57 AM

>

 

>

>

>

Sir,

>

> TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from

Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural

life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system.

Infact whole village is like an extended family.

>

>  Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

>

>

> Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM

>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>

>

>  

>

> Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people

living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and

radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and

their practices and marriages etc and values in general.

>

>

>

> However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move

away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or

carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings!

>

>

>

> RR_,

>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Members.

>

> > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the

'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today

a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some

concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands

from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other

enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators.

>

> > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall

in harmony r slightly different.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Vattem Krishnan

>

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

>

> > (For all counseling services)

>

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

>

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> >  

>

> >

>

>

>

> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopi Ji & Members,

 

The 2nd house of Kutumbh carries the seed of our family lineage/roots, and this

is also the natural house of Taurus, where the moon(karaka 4th house) gets

exalted..Home(4th house), is where the heart is, right? And definitely the heart

carries the seed of all our emotions and happiness..

While it's true that joint families are almost going extinct, but you can still

find a few joint families in some rural parts in India..There are still such

families where a few generations of people including- father, mother, sons,

bahu, betiya, jehtania, grandchildren all live together UNITED under ONE roof,

and eat meals together cooked under ONE chullah/stove for everyone..These family

operate on tradition, order, and love..These joint families have certainly

carried the traditions, and values that are quickly disappearing from our modern

India..Fortunately, these families have also carried our rich heritage, and the

foundation of our Sanathan Dharma.

 

Lilly

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

> I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

> opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

> a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

> thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

> appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

> the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

> population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

> it comes to family life.

> Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.

>  

> thanks,

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may

help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements

shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need

for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea

about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time 

when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if

all the other compatabilities are not there.

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent

attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage  sooner

than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ

from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in

their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing may

happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

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Dear Members,

Astrological parameters undoubtedly good but not apply as a ritualistic manner

and deny the likes and dislikes of the younger genaration.

v have cases where at 17 yrs of promising age,people go in for sevral

exploration beyond their maturity.For this parents,who r preoccupied in thir own

way devote time to the off spring.

Some body was talking of 4th house as heart.It is beyond heart is something of

the mind to concentrate on middle stage studies.Infact several stages opine also

as house of emotions.These issues need a over all assessment to find how in

these days of technology orintation,jyotish can help people to work for their

own future.A

LL OF US HAVE KARMAS OF PAST.Is it not the end of story,

Then how v can over come this remorse singly,jointly and taking Almighty into

confidence.

So any dosha,Bhakuta ,grahan dosha ,kala sarpa doshaand other those v r scared

of like of to mention like papakrtari and kendradhipadhi dosha etc.In a way

these r strength provided v r sure of our mind or moon or sun or

lagna..certainly one of them is certainly is in favour for the native to

advance.it is here our belief jotish that it can help and deliver best is

assured,

let's take the free will and allow us to take chance and try with an intention

to achieve.Let all things find us alone and making attempts repeatedly to make

our mind/intention strong.v r certainly near toachievement eventhough stars at

birth are not kind.Gochara tansit in a moment might support.so v need to be

ready for ever to take chances not loosing or distrubing 4th house.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Saturday, January 30, 2010, 6:52 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Gopi Ji & Members,

 

 

 

The 2nd house of Kutumbh carries the seed of our family lineage/roots, and this

is also the natural house of Taurus, where the moon(karaka 4th house) gets

exalted..Home( 4th house), is where the heart is, right? And definitely the

heart carries the seed of all our emotions and happiness..

 

While it's true that joint families are almost going extinct, but you can still

find a few joint families in some rural parts in India..There are still such

families where a few generations of people including- father, mother, sons,

bahu, betiya, jehtania, grandchildren all live together UNITED under ONE roof,

and eat meals together cooked under ONE chullah/stove for everyone..These family

operate on tradition, order, and love..These joint families have certainly

carried the traditions, and values that are quickly disappearing from our modern

India..Fortunately, these families have also carried our rich heritage, and the

foundation of our Sanathan Dharma.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Shri Suresh babuji,

 

> I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm

 

> opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with

 

> a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners

 

> thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to

 

> appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate

 

> the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our

 

> population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma  when

 

> it comes to family life.

 

> Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.

 

>  

 

> thanks,

 

> regards,

 

> k.gopu

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

 

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

 

>

 

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

 

>

 

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

 

>

 

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

 

>

 

> Marriage compatabilty

 

> ============ ========= =

 

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

 

>

 

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

 

>

 

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

 

>

 

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

 

>

 

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

 

>

 

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

 

>

 

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

 

>

 

> This is very clear from the following:

 

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

 

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

 

>

 

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there.

 

>

 

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

 

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

 

>

 

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

 

>

 

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

 

>

 

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

 

>

 

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

 

>

 

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

 

>   

 

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values

in their society.

 

>

 

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

 

>

 

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals..

 

>

 

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

 

>

 

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

>

 

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

 

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

>  

 

> dear shri krishnaji,

 

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

 

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

 

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

 

> cliks and they live a happy life.

 

>  

 

>  

 

> regards,

 

> k.gopu

 

>

 

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Rohini Ji,

 

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

 

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

 

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets..

 

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan

 

> Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> (For all counseling services)

 

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

>  

 

>

 

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

>

 

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Krishnan ji,

 

>

 

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

 

>

 

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

 

>

 

> RR_,

 

>

 

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Members,

 

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

 

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

 

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

 

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

 

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > (For all counseling services)

 

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

 

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> >  

 

> >

 

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

> >

 

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Aditi,

 

> >

 

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

 

> >

 

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

 

> >

 

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

 

> >

 

> > Take care...!

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

 

> > >

 

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

 

> > >

 

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

 

> > >

 

> > > Best Regards,

 

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

> > >

 

> > >