Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2001 Dear Paoloa, At 11:46 PM 12/11/01 -0000, girliepooxxx wrote: >i have a question for the vedic astrologers out there: what house >system is typically used? i keep coming across vehlow. is >this the general preference? I've been studying vedic astrology for 5 years now and I've never heard of the term " vehlow " . Looks like some fairly basic spelling errors there, possibly from a faulty transliteration from another language. i assume i'd cast a regular sidereal >natal, for example, but with the changed house system? Right, vedic astrology follows any number of sidereal zodiacs, with the most popular ayanamsha being lahiri which is about 23 and a half degrees behind the tropical zodiac. Most vedic astrologers use the whole sign house system. So if you get an Asc of 25*Aries, then all planets in Aries are in the first house. Some will also use sripati (porphyry) unequal houses. But the overwhelming majority will assign house rulerships and planetary yogas based on whole sign houses. i have also >recently read that the draconic zodiac is used in hindu astrology - >this seems to be in contradiction with the sidereal zodiac which i >thought jyotish was based on. any clarification would be most >welcome. :-) > I'm not sure what this is, sorry. regards, Chris >vedically confused, >paola > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: >/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2001 A Draconic Zodiac is one centred around the Moon's Nodes . IIRC there is a system based specifically around these rather than simply using one as simply another point from which to start the houses as in the Uranian System . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2001 Dear Paoloa, I know what you mean by Vehlow. He wrote " Die Konstellationen lehre " . So you have this book in your library. It is quite fun to read it. He is playing with numbers in combination with astrology. It surprises me greatly that the Sidereal zodiac is so closely connected/attached with vedic astrology. My opinion is that astrology is practiced every where in the world. The sidereal zodiac is the base of all systems and cultures. For years I studied astrology and later I discovered the magnificence of the sidereal astrology and improved my way of studying. The sidereal astrology is no property of the Indian Astrology; they made indeed the most progress, since it is rejected in Europe and the Western world. but it is cultural definable;sometimes I have the impression they are thinking the Vedic astrology is the best of all. A few weeks ago I read " The Story of Jesus " from Jeffrey Furst (USA). It is about Edgar Cayce's selected and edited readings for people who visited him in all the years from 1923. He told them about their former lives in Palestina/Israel in connection with Jesus and His family, His birth, the youth until His death. Astrology is practiced long before Adam even existed,in Africa, in Azie (Perzie)India. Edgar Cayce (in subconscious state of mind) told that. In Perzie astrology is as much practiced as in India! Every culture had it's determination in own language. Jesus Himself studied for years astrology in Egypte from teachers. He visited India, Perzie, India, Tibet.Studied all religions in the East before he started Ministery in Israel/Palestina. His study of astrology elcidates His loving understanding for all people; He forgave His ennemies who put Him on trial. This book is very interesting for every human being to understand one's existence in the world and how to keep one's self happy and healthy and avert war. I've been studying vedic astrology for 5 years now and I've never heard of the term " vehlow " . Looks like some fairly basic spelling errors there, possibly from a faulty transliteration from another language. i assume i'd cast a regular sidereal >natal, for example, but with the changed house system? Right, vedic astrology follows any number of sidereal zodiacs, with the most popular ayanamsha being lahiri which is about 23 and a half degrees behind the tropical zodiac. Most vedic astrologers use the whole sign house system. So if you get an Asc of 25*Aries, then all planets in Aries are in the first house. Some will also use sripati (porphyry) unequal houses. But the overwhelming majority will assign house rulerships and planetary yogas based on whole sign houses. i have also >recently read that the draconic zodiac is used in hindu astrology - >this seems to be in contradiction with the sidereal zodiac which i >thought jyotish was based on. any clarification would be most >welcome. :-) > I'm not sure what this is, sorry. regards, Chris >vedically confused, >paola > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: >/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2001 Hello. Yes, I do think that Vedic has alot to offer, its just that its so difficult to understand.I figure that next lifetime I will study it ! Anny van Berckel wrote: > > Dear Paoloa, > > I know what you mean by Vehlow. He wrote " Die Konstellationen > lehre " . So you have this book in your library. It is quite fun to read it. > He is playing with numbers in combination with astrology. > It surprises me greatly that the Sidereal zodiac is so closely > connected/attached with vedic astrology. My opinion is that astrology is > practiced every where in the world. > The sidereal zodiac is the base of all systems and cultures. > For years I studied astrology and later I discovered the magnificence > of the sidereal astrology and improved my way of studying. The sidereal > astrology is no property of the Indian Astrology; they made indeed the > most progress, since it is rejected in Europe and the Western world. > but it is cultural definable;sometimes I have the impression they are > thinking the Vedic astrology is the best of all. A few weeks ago I read > " The Story of Jesus " from Jeffrey Furst (USA). It is about Edgar Cayce's > selected and edited readings for people who visited him in all the years > from 1923. He told them about their former lives in Palestina/Israel in > connection with Jesus and His family, His birth, the youth until His death. > Astrology is practiced long before Adam even existed,in Africa, in Azie > (Perzie)India. Edgar Cayce (in subconscious state of mind) told that. In > Perzie astrology is as much practiced as in India! Every culture had it's > determination in own language. Jesus Himself studied for years astrology > in Egypte from teachers. He visited India, Perzie, India, Tibet.Studied > all religions in the East before he started Ministery in Israel/Palestina. > His study of astrology elcidates His loving understanding for all people; > He forgave His ennemies who put Him on trial. > This book is very interesting for every human being to understand one's > existence in the world and how to keep one's self happy and healthy and > avert war. > > > I've been studying vedic astrology for 5 years now and I've never heard of > the term " vehlow " . Looks like some fairly basic spelling errors there, > possibly from a faulty transliteration from another language. > > i assume i'd cast a regular sidereal > >natal, for example, but with the changed house system? > > Right, vedic astrology follows any number of sidereal zodiacs, with the > most popular ayanamsha being lahiri which is about 23 and a half degrees > behind the tropical zodiac. Most vedic astrologers use the whole sign > house system. So if you get an Asc of 25*Aries, then all planets in Aries > are in the first house. Some will also use sripati (porphyry) unequal > houses. But the overwhelming majority will assign house rulerships and > planetary yogas based on whole sign houses. > > i have also > >recently read that the draconic zodiac is used in hindu astrology - > >this seems to be in contradiction with the sidereal zodiac which i > >thought jyotish was based on. any clarification would be most > >welcome. :-) > > > > I'm not sure what this is, sorry. > > regards, > Chris > > >vedically confused, > >paola > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > >/ > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2005 Hello all, I am new to this group and I do not know anything about Vedic astrology. I wonder if someone could make my map according with the Vedic astrology? Erica Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear ramakrishnan ji During vedic periods there is no caste brahminism ,may b traces of it can b seen ,Other wise there is only rishis those days .if u can check it u will understand .The word arya is used for NOble man or as salutation ,there is no aryan invasion happnd in india . again if u see astrology mainly a contribution frm agama sects like tantric or saivites or devi cults . but its pure indian concept which has continuity of atma and re birth can only ( in short Karma sidhantha) produce such sastra ,this cults were spread all over world ( known civilised world ) and the exchange was happening . That is the reason even if adopted by many communitties all over world they cant keep it up in their culture . except few moments in their history . Now the varahamihira shloka says yavanas r respected when they do astrology ,so wat will b position of brahmins who also learned in this sastra ,not other way around . Mlecha means out of vedic culture the ppl frm the place of meluha culture which was originated in harappan and mohenja daro cities which has gr8 sea faring traditions .And they influenced every part of world . In india there was 2 systems of life ,one was vedic nature what they call it and other was tantric and saivite nature which was known as meluha culture ,So u can very well understand that htis aryans concept is not a forigner or mlecha ( tho now a days we use it for out siders ) also not those who come frm out side ,but meluha empire was there till arab countries ,even during advent of islam u can see many many indian devatas they were worshipping . ( can u tel me why iyyer and ayankars both r brahmins ( south india) but iyyenkars never worship Lord siva or visit even one siva temple even as a tourist ) hope this helps regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peekayar wrote:>> Vedic Astrology.> > During vedic times arya brahmins were only astronomers (jyothishis) and were not daivajnas or astrologers.> > Here is a verse attributed to Varahamihira -> > mlechchaa hi yavanaasteshu> samyag shaastramidam sthitham //> rishivat tepi poojyanthe> kimpunar daivavit dwijah // > > The greeks are uncivilised.> In them this science (astrology) is> well established.> They also are worshipped like rishis,> then what about if a brahmin studies astrology.> > More in next.> > PKRa> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Dear Learned Members, Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology “ in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. Naidu KP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear Naidu ji pls see that astrology was used by vedic brahmins ( tho need not a caste in the sense of present day brahminism ) for poojas ,yagnas,havans and muhurthas than for predictiv purpose and even has a calender which is known as saptarishi calender which is much older than present day any calender in world .but i think the parallell culture of meluha ppl more devlped into a predictiv science ( the indus valley ) . even Varahmihira shloka says Mlechas r respected like rishis-those who know astrology ( pls see note this --not as brahmins means more higher calibre ) ,so he is requesting brahmins to learn it to get more respect .( also pls note that in Yavana jataka and even Tajik texts only indian god s or remedial measures are only mentioned ,even what ever words mostly used are even some localised sanskrit words like tribagha or drekkan ( means tri division ) etc . again if u see in Mahabharath story of making of some wax house for pandavas they r using Maya ( i think that is his name ) and it clearly says he is Mlecha and u can see the ppl of mahabharath and Maya r talking each other ,means they know each other and even can understand dailects mutualy .even yudhistira was talking in their language . now i am re producing an early mail posted in our grp ======================================================= Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250;These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, whofollowed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther ofYavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOESNOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ampleproof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Furtherthese texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individualwith malicious intention will try to propagate that these textswere written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works. > * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates backto BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrologytexts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, VisvamitraHora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvatiperiod then it will date back even to BC 5000+ > * Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/ Greece: The Mesopotamian/ Babylonianastrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology datesback to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - theastrology whose the origin and development is associated to the cityof Sun god, Heliopolis. > * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authenticsage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jatakaand many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerianor American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts suchas the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with thename Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu calledMayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, ormay be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recentday scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theoriesput forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or aroundBC 300 - AD 300. > Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha(The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally differentstream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They arenot Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practiceand preach today. Please note that "no astrology texts mention thename of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha". Lagatha was simplyirrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology. > This is what I would like to add to your valuable andsincere thoughts.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh================================================ hope this helps regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote:>> > Dear Learned Members,> > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal.> > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?> > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas.> > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term "Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05)> > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl.> > Naidu KP> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2008 , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned Members, Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. Naidu KP --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2008 , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned Members, Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. Naidu KP --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2008 Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Chandrashekharji, Namaskar! <Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree with KNR that it has no connection with Vedas> You are right! Jyotish has been described as eye of the Vedas but jyotish in this context does not mean predictive gimmicks by any stretch of imagination! Jhyotish means astronomy as per the Vedanga Jyotisha which gives just the methodology of calculating the mean tithi, nakshatra and the months Madhu, Madhava etc. It does not refer to any Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis or Budha, Mangal, Shani etc. planets even by mistake! As explained by me in a different post, all the twelve Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc. are conspicuous by their absence from the Vedas, Upanishadas, Brahmanas etc. etc. so much so that all the indigenous astronomical works like Rik Jyotisham, Yajur Jyotisham and even Atharva Jyotisham does nto talk about Mesha etc. Rashis! Though we find references to planets in the Atharva Jyotisham of about 400 BCE, even that work is silent about Mesha etc. Rashis! As such, if KNR has said taht predictive gimmicks cannot be called Vedic astrology, he has rightly said so! Personally, I feel to call any predictive gimmicks even Pauranic is an insult to the Puranas, since no purana or itihasa or smriti etc., in short no dharmashastra, has advised us to consult any soothsayer about anything whatsoever! It is thus a fraud being played on us ever since the advent of Greeks into India! And because of this fraud, the Hindus are celebrating all theirs fasts, festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! As such, Vedic astrology is really the greatest fraud not only on the Vedas but a blot on the entire Hndu culture since it goes against teh very grain of our scriptures! With regards, A K Kaul Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > Dear K P Naidu, > > Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree with KNR that > it has no connection with Vedas, though I have deep respect for KNR's > astrological knowledge. H.H. Jayendra Saraswati, Shankaracharya of > Kanchi Kamkoti Muth, says that it is called the eyes of Vedas as it > looks at what can not be seen by the eyes and without it the rituals of > Vedas can not be performed. So religious authorities do accept > connection of Jyotish with Vedas. That again is the reason it is called > Vedanga ( part of Vedas). So KNR's argument might not be tenable. > > The only inconsistency with using the word Vedic is that literally it > means that which is in or on a gallery. The correct term should be > " Vaidic " . However, as KNR says, now that Vedic astrology has come to be > equated with Jyotish, that word has acquired a special meaning in > English and there is no harm in using it to denote Jyotish. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > jyotishi2001 wrote: > > > > > > <%40>, " K. P. Naidu " > > <konathalan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. > > Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. > > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps > > important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to > > refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as > > far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as > > Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas > > directly? > > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be > > called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas > > are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis [21]. > > But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the > > entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of > > the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt > > about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine > > Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). > > Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or > > Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is > > in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known > > from the Puranas. > > > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu > > astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never > > verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I > > stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. > > Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term > > âEURoeVedicâEUR? is a great marketing tool especially in the new age > > movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology > > will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology > > especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop > > using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. > > Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. > > > > Naidu KP > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2008 Dear shri Sunil Ji, thank you for your information on the subject. Indian or Hindu astrology seems to be more appropriate. Just a feeling. Regards, Naidu KP --- On Sat, 19/7/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: vedic astrology Saturday, 19 July, 2008, 8:46 PM Hare rama krishna dear Naidu ji pls see that astrology was used by vedic brahmins ( tho need not a caste in the sense of present day brahminism ) for poojas ,yagnas,havans and muhurthas than for predictiv purpose and even has a calender which is known as saptarishi calender which is much older than present day any calender in world .but i think the parallell culture of meluha ppl more devlped into a predictiv science ( the indus valley ) . even Varahmihira shloka says Mlechas r respected like rishis-those who know astrology ( pls see note this --not as brahmins means more higher calibre ) ,so he is requesting brahmins to learn it to get more respect .( also pls note that in Yavana jataka and even Tajik texts only indian god s or remedial measures are only mentioned ,even what ever words mostly  used are even some localised sanskrit words like tribagha or drekkan ( means tri division ) etc . again if u see in Mahabharath story of making of some wax house for pandavas they r using Maya ( i think that is his name ) and it clearly says he is Mlecha and u can see the ppl of mahabharath and Maya r talking each other ,means they know each other and even can understand dailects mutualy .even yudhistira was talking in their language . now i am re producing an early mail posted in our grp ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======= Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250; These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, who followed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther of Yavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOES NOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ample proof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Further these texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individual with malicious intention will try to propagate that these texts were written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works. > * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates back to BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrology texts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, Visvamitra Hora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvati period then it will date back even to BC 5000+ > * Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/ Greece: The Mesopotamian/ Babylonian astrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology dates back to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - the astrology whose the origin and development is associated to the city of Sun god, Heliopolis. > * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authentic sage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jataka and many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerian or American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts such as the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with the name Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu called Mayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, or may be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recent day scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theories put forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or around BC 300 - AD 300. > Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha (The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally different stream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They are not Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400 these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practice and preach today. Please note that " no astrology texts mention the name of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha " . Lagatha was simply irrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology. > This is what I would like to add to your valuable and sincere thoughts. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= hope this helps regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . ancient_indian_ astrology, " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@. ...> wrote: > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25] , or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. > > Naidu KP > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2008 Dear Sunil Nairji, Namaste, 1) I have been trying to find the book " Atharvan Jyotisam " containing the Sanskrit verses and a detailed introduction by Pandit Bhagavad Datta but I have not been able to get it so far. Have you come across this book or any members of our forum has read the views of Pandit Bhagavad Datta? 2) Secondly I also feel that the term Indian astrology is more appropriate than vedic astrology even though the Veda mentioned " Rashi " and the most ancient Dharmashastra Manusmriti mentioned the practice of astrology. Of course it is another thing that the critics of astrology generally lie when they claim that there in no mention of rashi and astrology in Veda and Dharmashastra. Regards, Sunil Kumar Bhattacharjya --- On Sun, 7/20/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan Re: vedic astrology Sunday, July 20, 2008, 7:23 PM Dear shri Sunil Ji, thank you for your information on the subject. Indian or Hindu astrology seems to be more appropriate. Just a feeling. Regards, Naidu KP --- On Sat, 19/7/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vedic astrology ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, 19 July, 2008, 8:46 PM Hare rama krishna dear Naidu ji pls see that astrology was used by vedic brahmins ( tho need not a caste in the sense of present day brahminism ) for poojas ,yagnas,havans and muhurthas than for predictiv purpose and even has a calender which is known as saptarishi calender which is much older than present day any calender in world .but i think the parallell culture of meluha ppl more devlped into a predictiv science ( the indus valley ) . even Varahmihira shloka says Mlechas r respected like rishis-those who know astrology ( pls see note this --not as brahmins means more higher calibre ) ,so he is requesting brahmins to learn it to get more respect .( also pls note that in Yavana jataka and even Tajik texts only indian god s or remedial measures are only mentioned ,even what ever words mostly  used are even some localised sanskrit words like tribagha or drekkan ( means tri division ) etc . again if u see in Mahabharath story of making of some wax house for pandavas they r using Maya ( i think that is his name ) and it clearly says he is Mlecha and u can see the ppl of mahabharath and Maya r talking each other ,means they know each other and even can understand dailects mutualy .even yudhistira was talking in their language . now i am re producing an early mail posted in our grp ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======= Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250; These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, who followed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther of Yavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOES NOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ample proof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Further these texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individual with malicious intention will try to propagate that these texts were written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works. > * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates back to BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrology texts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, Visvamitra Hora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvati period then it will date back even to BC 5000+ > * Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/ Greece: The Mesopotamian/ Babylonian astrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology dates back to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - the astrology whose the origin and development is associated to the city of Sun god, Heliopolis. > * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authentic sage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jataka and many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerian or American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts such as the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with the name Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu called Mayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, or may be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recent day scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theories put forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or around BC 300 - AD 300. > Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha (The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally different stream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They are not Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400 these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practice and preach today. Please note that " no astrology texts mention the name of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha " . Lagatha was simply irrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology. > This is what I would like to add to your valuable and sincere thoughts. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= hope this helps regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . ancient_indian_ astrology, " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@ . ...> wrote: > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25] , or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedicâ€� is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. > > Naidu KP > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2008 Dear Bhattacharjya ji, You could find the text "Atharva Vedeeya Jyothisham" which deals with the system of astrology as dealt within Atharva branch of vedic knowledge. The book is available from Chaukhamba Bookstall, Kamala Nagar, Delhi. I have this book with me, and I liked the book (but now forgot the author name). Possibly today evening I will check this book and will let you know whether it is the book you are searching - i.e. Pandit Bhagavad Datta. If so I will write more about it, if not please ignore this mail. I agree to the second point you mentioned as well.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > 1)> I have been trying to find the book "Atharvan Jyotisam" containing the Sanskrit verses and a detailed introduction by Pandit Bhagavad Datta but I have not been able to get it so far. Have you come across this book or any members of our forum has read the views of Pandit Bhagavad Datta?> > 2)> Secondly I also feel that the term Indian astrology is more appropriate than vedic astrology even though the Veda? mentioned "Rashi" and the most ancient Dharmashastra Manusmriti? mentioned the? practice of astrology. Of course it is another thing that the critics of astrology generally lie when they claim that there in no mention of rashi and astrology in Veda and Dharmashastra.> > Regards,> > Sunil Kumar Bhattacharjya> > --- On Sun, 7/20/08, K. P. Naidu konathalan wrote:> K. P. Naidu konathalan Re: vedic astrology> > Sunday, July 20, 2008, 7:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Sunil Ji,> > > > thank you for your information on the subject. Indian or Hindu astrology seems to be more appropriate. Just a feeling.> > > > Regards,> > Naidu KP> > > > --- On Sat, 19/7/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vedic astrology> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, 19 July, 2008, 8:46 PM> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear Naidu ji> > > > pls see that astrology was used by vedic brahmins ( tho need not a caste in the sense of present day brahminism ) for poojas ,yagnas,havans and muhurthas than for predictiv purpose and even has a calender which is known as saptarishi calender which is much older than present day any calender in world .but i think the parallell culture of meluha ppl more devlped into a predictiv science ( the indus valley ) .> > > > even Varahmihira shloka says Mlechas r respected like rishis-those who know astrology ( pls see note this --not as brahmins means more higher calibre ) ,so he is requesting brahmins to learn it to get more respect .( also pls note that in Yavana jataka and even Tajik texts only indian god s or remedial measures are only mentioned ,even what ever words mostly  used are even some localised sanskrit words like tribagha or drekkan ( means tri division ) etc .> > > > again if u see in Mahabharath story of making of some wax house for pandavas they r using Maya ( i think that is his name ) and it clearly says he is Mlecha and u can see the ppl of mahabharath and Maya r talking each other ,means they know each other and even can understand dailects mutualy .even yudhistira was talking in their language .> > > > now i am re producing an early mail posted in our grp> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =======> > Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250;> > These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, who> > followed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther of> > Yavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOES> > NOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ample> > proof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Further> > these texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individual> > with malicious intention will try to propagate that these texts> > were written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works.> > > > > * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates back> > to BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrology> > texts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, Visvamitra> > Hora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvati> > period then it will date back even to BC 5000+> > > > > * Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/ Greece: The Mesopotamian/ Babylonian> > astrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology dates> > back to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - the> > astrology whose the origin and development is associated to the city> > of Sun god, Heliopolis.> > > > > * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authentic> > sage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jataka> > and many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerian> > or American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts such> > as the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with the> > name Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu called> > Mayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, or> > may be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recent> > day scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theories> > put forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or around> > BC 300 - AD 300.> > > > > Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha> > (The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally different> > stream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They are> > not Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400> > these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practice> > and preach today. Please note that "no astrology texts mention the> > name of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha". Lagatha was simply> > irrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology.> > > > > > > This is what I would like to add to your valuable and> > sincere thoughts.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =========> > > > hope this helps> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@ . ..> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Learned Members,> > >> > >> > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal.> > >> > >> > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?> > >> > >> > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25] , or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas.> > >> > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term â€Å"Vedic� is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term "Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05)> > >> > >> > >> > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl.> > >> > > Naidu KP> > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear sunil Bhattacharya ji ur first part of query already answered by sri sreenadh ji and i am sure u will get more information on this in later time . i will answer ur 2nd query . Vedas r not the text book of what ever called and known as indian sciences ,so even one word of reference as a part of expression or proof of indian life those days its more than enough .If veda s says we were using swords then some asking full proof of mettullurgy in vedas then what can we tel them ,or even a good scientist has to consider as a proof that ,there were swords in use and hence army and similar build up s in society and then it shows centralised rule or command in society etc ,or we want real proof of kingdom and its constitutions etc ?? in vedas . so may b wheter its ayurveda or dhnurveda or even the magik or other black majik or mantha vada ( i am not getting appropriate word for it ,actulay in mantra vada -there is 2 branches ,mean salmantravada ( good or white ) and durmantravada streams ) we also can see various part of country and ppl has contributed or retained or owned those systems we call ayurveda etc so veda means Knowledge of old indian ppl ,wheter its rigvedi or sama vedi or non -vedic ( in todays sense ) its immaterial .For indian tradition all our knowledge came frm rishis .Even we dont see he is frm vanga desa or malva desa or chera desa .if so we might hav excluded budhist and jain contribution in many sastras and Knowledge which never happened . so we use vedic astrology or indian astrology for astrology of indians ,i dont think there is any problem in using the term vedic astrology so long as we use ayurveda as veda .But like u say a grp of ppl who calling themselves atheists and they know only to ask questions they r behind this agenda ( but secretly working as tool for divisive elements ). In that sense why dont they demand total ban for bible or quran which says earth is flat hence misleading ( may some loose translation or original word has lost its original meaning in later days ) Hope u may agree regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > 1)> I have been trying to find the book "Atharvan Jyotisam" containing the Sanskrit verses and a detailed introduction by Pandit Bhagavad Datta but I have not been able to get it so far. Have you come across this book or any members of our forum has read the views of Pandit Bhagavad Datta?> > 2)> Secondly I also feel that the term Indian astrology is more appropriate than vedic astrology even though the Veda mentioned "Rashi" and the most ancient Dharmashastra Manusmriti mentioned the practice of astrology. Of course it is another thing that the critics of astrology generally lie when they claim that there in no mention of rashi and astrology in Veda and Dharmashastra.> > Regards,> > Sunil Kumar Bhattacharjya> > --- On Sun, 7/20/08, K. P. Naidu konathalan wrote:> K. P. Naidu konathalan Re: vedic astrology> > Sunday, July 20, 2008, 7:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Sunil Ji,> > > > thank you for your information on the subject. Indian or Hindu astrology seems to be more appropriate. Just a feeling.> > > > Regards,> > Naidu KP> > > > --- On Sat, 19/7/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vedic astrology> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, 19 July, 2008, 8:46 PM> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear Naidu ji> > > > pls see that astrology was used by vedic brahmins ( tho need not a caste in the sense of present day brahminism ) for poojas ,yagnas,havans and muhurthas than for predictiv purpose and even has a calender which is known as saptarishi calender which is much older than present day any calender in world .but i think the parallell culture of meluha ppl more devlped into a predictiv science ( the indus valley ) .> > > > even Varahmihira shloka says Mlechas r respected like rishis-those who know astrology ( pls see note this --not as brahmins means more higher calibre ) ,so he is requesting brahmins to learn it to get more respect .( also pls note that in Yavana jataka and even Tajik texts only indian god s or remedial measures are only mentioned ,even what ever words mostly  used are even some localised sanskrit words like tribagha or drekkan ( means tri division ) etc .> > > > again if u see in Mahabharath story of making of some wax house for pandavas they r using Maya ( i think that is his name ) and it clearly says he is Mlecha and u can see the ppl of mahabharath and Maya r talking each other ,means they know each other and even can understand dailects mutualy .even yudhistira was talking in their language .> > > > now i am re producing an early mail posted in our grp> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =======> > Spudidhvaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora were written around AD 250;> > These books were written by scholars who lived in Gujarat, who> > followed the system of astrology taught by Yavaneswara (The auther of> > Yavaneswara Hora). They (Spujidhaja and Yavaneswara) DOES> > NOT mention any Greek god in their texts, but the texts gives ample> > proof that they were well aware of Upanishads and Vedic texts. Further> > these texts starts by praising PRAJAPATI (BRAHMA)! Only an individual> > with malicious intention will try to propagate that these texts> > were written by the Greeks or that they are translations of Greek works.> > > > > * India: Ancient Astrology that was prevalent in India dates back> > to BC 1400 Parasara and 1400 Garga; and the sage written astrology> > texts prior to them such as Skanda Hora, Vasishta Hora, Visvamitra> > Hora, Surya Jataka etc. If astrology was prevalent in Sindhu-Sarasvati> > period then it will date back even to BC 5000+> > > > > * Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/ Greece: The Mesopotamian/ Babylonian> > astrology dates back to BC 3000+ or more. The Greek astrology dates> > back to BC 800+. Together let us call them Hellenistic astrology - the> > astrology whose the origin and development is associated to the city> > of Sun god, Heliopolis.> > > > > * Mayasura: Maya is the student of Sage Surya, the authentic> > sage specialized in astrology, who wrote Surya siddhanta, Surya Jataka> > and many other texts. Maya is an asura, may be due to some Assyerian> > or American connection. Maya is supposed have written many texts such> > as the putting in paper of the theories taught by Sage Surya with the> > name Surya siddhanta, The text of archetectrure and vastu called> > Mayamata and many more. May be there is a modern day Maya as well, or> > may be that Maya was not that ancient a scholar (i.e. he was a recent> > day scholar), as evident from the fact that he copies many theories> > put forward by some greek scholers. He might have lived in or around> > BC 300 - AD 300.> > > > > Vedic Astrology: Rig Jyotisha, Yajir Jyotisha, Atharva Jyotisha> > (The Vedanga Jyotisha texts) by Sage Lagadha is a totally different> > stream; it is NOT Nirayana astrology, but Sayana astrology. They are> > not Tantric in nature but Vedic. Even though dates back to BC 1400> > these texts are NOT part of the stream of astrology that we practice> > and preach today. Please note that "no astrology texts mention the> > name of sage Lagatha or Vedanga Jyotisha". Lagatha was simply> > irrelevant to the Nirayana stream of astrology.> > > > > > > This is what I would like to add to your valuable and> > sincere thoughts.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =========> > > > hope this helps> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@ . ..> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Learned Members,> > >> > >> > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal.> > >> > >> > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?> > >> > >> > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25] , or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas.> > >> > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term â€Å"Vedic� is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term "Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05)> > >> > >> > >> > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl.> > >> > > Naidu KP> > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Chandrashekharji, Namaskar! <I do not know whether you are aware of the fact that there are lunar months too that are considered by the astronomers and there are as much as 9 different years that are accepted and five of them are used in regular day to day functions of Hindus. So your contention that only Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy is incorrect, factually.> Pl. quote my actual statement and the context where I have said that only (solar) Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy. <Your argument that only because rashis or grahas are not mentioned in Vedas lacks logic.> Rashis and Grahas are the Alpha and Omega of predictive gimmicks which are knonw as astrology---Vedic or Hindu or Tropical etc. notwithstanding. If we do not find any mention of Mesha etc. Rashis prior to the advent of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mleccha in any of our astronomical works like the Pitamaha Sidhanta, Vasishtha Sidhanta etc. besides the Vedanga Jyotisha etc., obviously we cannot call any Rashi-based predictive gimicks as Vedic astrology! On the other hand, as is evident from cuneiform/clay tablets of Babylonia, Aries etc. constellations/signs have been used in Babylonian astrology from around at least 5000 BCE. It is therefore clear that such predictive gimmicks have emanated from there! < However since you are so well versed in Vedas I give you the verse of Rigveda that does talk about Brihaspati that you say has to be mentioned in the Vedas for the Jyotish to be considered Vedic. yastastambha sahasra- vi jmo anta-nbr,haspatistris,hadhastho raven,a. tam pratna-sa r,s,hayo di-dhya-na-h^ puro vipra- dadhire mandrajihvam . Meaning: He who established in his might the extremities of the earth, Brihaspati, in the triple world of our fulfilment, by his cry, on him the pristine sages meditated and illumined, set him in their front with his tongue of ecstasy.> There are several mantras in the Vedas referring to the Sun, Moon, Brihaspati, " Manthi " etc. the most interesting one being " Brihaspatih Tishyam Ajayatai " -- i.e. Brhaspati was born in Tishya! Besides, Brihaspati has been referred to in the Shanti-patha " svasti na indro vridhha shrvah svasti nah poosha vishva-vedhah svastinastarkshyo arishta nemih, svasti no brihaspatir dadhatu " As such, I fail to understand why you are talking of Brhaspati as a planet here! In the Gita also, Bhagwan Krishna has said (in tenth adhyaya) " I am Brihaspati among all the purohitas....I am Shukracharya among all the poets " . In any case, wherever I have talked about the non-existence of planets in the Vedas, I have always said something like " We do not find any mention of the most dreaded planets like Mangal, Shani etc in the Vedas even by mistake! They are also conspicuous by their absence from all the indigenous astronomical literature " . As such, unless you prove the existence of Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas or the indigenous astronomical works, you are just beating about the bush and misquoting me! <I hope you will not again say that there is no mention of grahas in Vedas and mislead others.> The ball is in your court again to prove the existence of Mangal, Shani, Budha and Kethu in the Vedas or even any pre-Surya-sidhanta astronomical work! < I have seen your many posts in which you used to claim to be President/ Chairman of national calendar reform committee though the committee is long ago disbanded and is working under a different name and style.> This has already been replied in a different post. <I do not like to become personal but your witch hunting on the astrological sites is going on for many days and you use names of different scholars selectively to make it appear to be a very sound view.> Now that even Shri K N Rao has admitted that " Vedic astrology " is not Vedic at all, naturally, if someone still calls himself/herself as a " Vedic astrologer " it must be the duty of every Hindu to expose such fakes, especially when they claim to be re- incarnations " vamadevas " and " Parasharas " etc. <You also try to mislead others that the days on which they observe rituals are wrong and ask them to observe the rituals on different days.> I am posting " BVB6.doc " spearately. Pl. give your views about the same! I sahll post later " PAC3.doc " etc. All the members can see for themselve from those docuemnts as to how we are being misled by " almighty " Lahiriwalas about or fasts and fairs and muhurtas! <Your statement that no Purana etc. having advised people to go to soothsayers is one of the best examples of how you tend to mislead others.> If the puranas advise us to " go to gurus " , to " self-realized souls " etc. etc. and even to temples and other holy places to redeem our sins, why would they hesitate in advising us to go to some " jyotishi " to see as to what is going to befall us, if the puranas had really believed in such fads? <I know you will like to claim to be an authority on Vedas and begin an argument on this. However for me there is no greater authority on interpretation of Vedas and other scriptures of Hindus than the Shankaracharys of Shankar muths and their acceptance of Jyotish as a Vedic science is enough for me.> The general public is a bit confused by the different stands of yogis and tantriks and babs and jagdurus! Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Dwarka had more than a hundred years back passed a " bull " that nirayana festivals and muhurtas are not as per our dharmashastras and as such, the Hindus must observe all such activities only as per the Sayana Rashichakra! However, the present Jagadguru of Kanchi-kmakoti wants us to do exactly contrary to the same---to follow " almighty " Lahiri Rashichakra for festivals and muhurtas, when the so called nirayana rashichakra---whether Lahiri or Raman or Fagan etc.--does not exist all astronomically since they are all " creations " of their different " parents---(single parents instead of coupes, of course) " ! Then again, I cannot undertand the stand of jagadgurus etc. vis-a-vis the date of birth of Bhagwan Rama and Rama Setu! On the one hand, they want us to believe that Shri Rama Setu was made by the Vanara- sena of Shri Rama hundreds of thousands years back, but on the other hand they have put of a " stamp of approval " on the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram as January 14, 5114 BC, which emanated from an Income-Tax Commissioner! If the same Valmiki Ramayana says that Bhagwan Ram ruled for 11000 years, how could He have incarnated only about 7000 years back? Such contradictory stands of jagadurus and babas and tantriks and yogis leaves a layman more confused than enlightened! In any case, in a democracy like India, it is your " preropgative " to believe in any baba or tantrik or jagadguru etc. you want to! and celebrate any festival on any date that suits your fancy! Dhanyavad. AKK Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > Dear Avtar Krishen Saheb, > > I do not know whether you are aware of the fact that there are lunar > months too that are considered by the astronomers and there are as much > as 9 different years that are accepted and five of them are used in > regular day to day functions of Hindus. So your contention that only > Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy is incorrect, factually. > > Your argument that only because rasis or grahas are not mentioned in > Vedas lacks logic. If Vyakarana rules are not given in Vedas do you mean > it is not Vedanga? Your arguments are frivolous to say the least. > However since you are so well versed in Vedas I give you the verse of > Rigveda that does talk about Brihaspati that you say has to be mentioned > in the Vedas for the Jyotish to be considered Vedic. > > yastastambha sahasra- vi jmo anta-nbr,haspatistris,hadhastho raven,a. > > tam pratna-sa r,s,hayo di-dhya-na-h^ puro vipra- dadhire mandrajihvam . > > Meaning: He who established in his might the extremities of the earth, > Brihaspati, in the triple world of our fulfilment, by his cry, on him > the pristine sages meditated and illumined, set him in their front with > his tongue of ecstasy. > > I hope you will not again say that there is no mention of grahas in > Vedas and mislead others. > > I have seen your many posts in which you used to claim to be President/ > Chairman of national calendar reform committee though the committee is > long ago disbanded and is working under a different name and style. I > have also seen that you were never even a member of the said committee. > So It is difficult to agree to something that happens to be said by you. > I do not like to become personal but your witch hunting on the > astrological sites is going on for many days and you use names of > different scholars selectively to make it appear to be a very sound > view. You also try to mislead others that the days on which they observe > rituals are wrong and ask them to observe the rituals on different days. > > Your statement that no Purana etc. having advised people to go to > soothsayers is one of the best examples of how you tend to mislead > others. Why would Purana tell anyone to go to a soothsayer? They give > the principles of astrology and also tell that it is for use of human > being to reduce their sufferings. So they are certainly the repository > of astrology knowledge for students of the shastra itself. Why advise > one who has learnt the shastra to go to somebody else? Do not mislead > others through insinuations and half truths presented out of context. > > I know you will like to claim to be an authority on Vedas and begin an > argument on this. However for me there is no greater authority on > interpretation of Vedas and other scriptures of Hindus than the > Shankaracharys of Shankar muths and their acceptance of Jyotish as a > Vedic science is enough for me. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote: > > > > Shri Chandrashekharji, > > Namaskar! > > <Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree with KNR > > that it has no connection with Vedas> > > > > You are right! Jyotish has been described as eye of the Vedas but > > jyotish in this context does not mean predictive gimmicks by any > > stretch of imagination! Jhyotish means astronomy as per the Vedanga > > Jyotisha which gives just the methodology of calculating the mean > > tithi, nakshatra and the months Madhu, Madhava etc. It does not > > refer to any Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis or Budha, Mangal, Shani etc. > > planets even by mistake! > > > > As explained by me in a different post, all the twelve Rashis like > > Mesha, Vrisha etc. are conspicuous by their absence from the Vedas, > > Upanishadas, Brahmanas etc. etc. so much so that all the indigenous > > astronomical works like Rik Jyotisham, Yajur Jyotisham and even > > Atharva Jyotisham does nto talk about Mesha etc. Rashis! Though we > > find references to planets in the Atharva Jyotisham of about 400 BCE, > > even that work is silent about Mesha etc. Rashis! As such, if KNR > > has said taht predictive gimmicks cannot be called Vedic astrology, > > he has rightly said so! > > > > Personally, I feel to call any predictive gimmicks even Pauranic is > > an insult to the Puranas, since no purana or itihasa or smriti etc., > > in short no dharmashastra, has advised us to consult any soothsayer > > about anything whatsoever! It is thus a fraud being played on us > > ever since the advent of Greeks into India! And because of this > > fraud, the Hindus are celebrating all theirs fasts, festivals and > > muhurtas on wrong days! > > As such, Vedic astrology is really the greatest fraud not only on the > > Vedas but a blot on the entire Hndu culture since it goes against teh > > very grain of our scriptures! > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad > > <Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear K P Naidu, > > > > > > Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree with KNR > > that > > > it has no connection with Vedas, though I have deep respect for > > KNR's > > > astrological knowledge. H.H. Jayendra Saraswati, Shankaracharya of > > > Kanchi Kamkoti Muth, says that it is called the eyes of Vedas as it > > > looks at what can not be seen by the eyes and without it the > > rituals of > > > Vedas can not be performed. So religious authorities do accept > > > connection of Jyotish with Vedas. That again is the reason it is > > called > > > Vedanga ( part of Vedas). So KNR's argument might not be tenable. > > > > > > The only inconsistency with using the word Vedic is that literally > > it > > > means that which is in or on a gallery. The correct term should be > > > " Vaidic " . However, as KNR says, now that Vedic astrology has come > > to be > > > equated with Jyotish, that word has acquired a special meaning in > > > English and there is no harm in using it to denote Jyotish. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > jyotishi2001 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, " K. P. Naidu " > > > > <konathalan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri > > K.N. > > > > Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. > > > > > > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps > > > > important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to > > > > refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before > > as > > > > far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as > > > > Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas > > > > directly? > > > > > > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be > > > > called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the > > Vedas > > > > are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis > > [21]. > > > > But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the > > > > entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire > > literature of > > > > the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt > > > > about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to > > determine > > > > Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara > > (transits). > > > > Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas > > (festivals), or > > > > Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas > > is > > > > in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be > > known > > > > from the Puranas. > > > > > > > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu > > > > astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I > > never > > > > verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But > > now I > > > > stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. > > > > Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term > > > > âEURoeVedicâEUR? is a great marketing tool especially in the new > > age > > > > movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology > > > > will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology > > > > especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop > > > > using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in > > USA. > > > > Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) > > > > > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. > > > > > > > > Naidu KP > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2008 , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned Members, Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic†is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. Naidu KP --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 Dear Mahima Pls reply in ur educational qualification as ur horoscope supports both commerce & technical education. R u by any chance an MBA aspirant  With Warm Regards Haresh(Harry)Nathani Vedic Astologer, Vaastu Consultant Insurance Advisor Cell +91 98672 14103 Mumbai,India) Mahima Tiwary <mahimatiwary vedic astrology Monday, 8 September, 2008 10:00:05 AM [vedic astrology] vedic astrology Good morning ,        I wanted to know about my career ,  dob-25.08.1991 time-9:30 pm place - siliguri  I wanted to know which line would suit me .                            Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2008 Dear Venkata Ji, or TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Hi! all I'm Soumya Das I want to know about my career, love life & marriage. My DOB is 10.12.1986 Sun Sign : Saggitarius Moon Sign : Pisces pLS hELP Soumya Das sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008 11:04:05 PM Vedic astrology Dear Venkata ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for proper discussion with different views on astrology.You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight.To start our discussion I am just picking your views :>>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong predictions. I am not a professional astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronom y is a science and Vedic astrology is based on Astronomy.<< <<<<<<<<So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology has been referred. You may be right in your statement that astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or money.Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also changing the subject.ThanksYours truly,Sanat, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:>> Dear All,> I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong predictions. I am not a professional astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronom y is a science and Vedic astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar. Hence, I joined this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly> mutually and avoid quarrelling. After all one must exchange knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member of this group.> Yours faithfully,> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website: www.vedascience. com> > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma@ ...>> Re: Message to all> > Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM> > > > > > > > dear sanat ji and group .> poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth deliberately ,they r putting one science in shoes of other science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) .> > because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even on futility of sri kaul's reserch and so called claims ,he also asked him to show his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as useless countering questions will also strt which happened in many others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any conditions other than this ) ,so first see results and then let us go to basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know what is> astrology than going round the world with mutable/twistable answers .Then simply asking questions to prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too .> > he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in actual way .> then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will do .> > even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds exprnces how can we act cooly ..Fist of all where was quality discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or twisting the points and giving answers for the queries he raised ,> > asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is adamance ,unscientific and i think we can call those ppl with having some secret missions /agenda.> now if some one wants why this days it has happend (i mean why they faced this carpet bombing in this grp ) i will explain to u all in the lite of astro .> but write to me personaly .> > maheswara varma .> ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by queriests .> also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal links which is self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) .> > , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_ jain@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Ghopal Ji and members,> > Namaskar,> > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member, > > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all we > > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there are > > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they will > > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing and > > must maintain a mutual regard. > > > > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have > > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street dogs. > > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand with > > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only discussing > > about various points, which is being raised or supported by > > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their point > > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive language. I > > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith supported > > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has > > answered my basic question narrated in my blog "astrology a science > > or myth". They used to divert the matter and even then they are not > > able to substantiate their own points.> > > > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are following > > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main point is > > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand, which is > > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they may > > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic.> > > > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was > > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may > > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each > > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will say > > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every one > > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe > > elephant. > > > > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is created > > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it is > > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed by > > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, > > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion, > > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our > > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names with > > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious > > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any principle > > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on. > > > > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith, is > > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by > > astrologer for their livelihood.> > > > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version after > > receiving some reaction of the members.> > > > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most of > > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum. They > > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job, > > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams but > > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every thing > > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him in > > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation have > > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the challenges, > > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of > > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams > > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted for > > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind him > > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some > > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will be > > good, and he looses his struggling capacity. > > > > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face odd > > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic, must > > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience, > > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve etc. > > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe in > > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our > > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back to > > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will like > > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of > > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on astrology), > > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal. No > > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try to > > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding important > > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or > > psychological game.> > > > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their > > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or supportive > > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the gateway of > > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic hence > > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader take > > active part in discussion. > > > > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to follow > > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we may > > continue our interaction.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Sanat> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2008 , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: >ok..you are thro. in astrology. Can you tell me sir,the accurecy in prediction generally holds good. for example, see my birth chart below and tell something which is going to happen NOW or over the period of time.Will you take this challenge? DOB-27/11/1965,TIME-01:00 AM,PLACE-BURDWAN(WEST BENGAL) > thanks > > Dear Venkata ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your msg. > I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am > continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for > proper discussion with different views on astrology. > > You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight. > > To start our discussion I am just picking your views : > > >>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They > are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong > predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a > Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on > Astronomy.<<<<<<<<<< > > So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I > am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which > is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously > learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar > too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology > has been referred. You may be right in your statement that > astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such > they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive > principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some > correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or > money. > > Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also > changing the subject. > > Thanks > Yours truly, > Sanat > > , venkata krishnan > <bcvk71@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer > and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the > Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m > inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional > astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic > astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on > terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on > the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of > ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens > to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of > various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I > was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar.Hence, I joined > this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause > of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly > > mutually and avoid quarrelling.After all one must exchange > knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member > of this group. > > Yours faithfully, > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. > > website: www.vedascience.com > > > > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma@> > > Re: Message to all > > > > Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sanat ji and group . > > poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he > mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth > deliberately ,they r putting one science in shoes of other > science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or > fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) . > > > > because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised > is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also > told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r > simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even on futility of > sri kaul's reserch and so called claims ,he also asked him to show > his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything > later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as > useless countering questions will also strt which happened in many > others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is > it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he > made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's > dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any > conditions other than this ) ,so first see results and then let us > go to basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know > what is > > astrology than going round the world with > mutable/twistable answers .Then simply asking questions to > prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r > easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too . > > > > he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in > actual way . > > then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will > do . > > > > even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud > which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds > exprnces how can we act cooly .Fist of all where was > quality discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than > repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or > twisting the points and giving answers for the queries he raised , > > > > asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or > scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami > vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is > adamance ,unscientific and i think we can call those ppl with having > some secret missions /agenda. > > now if some one wants why this days it has happend (i mean why > they faced this carpet bombing in this grp ) i will explain to u > all in the lite of astro . > > but write to me personaly . > > > > maheswara varma . > > ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i > may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by > queriests . > > also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a > support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash > his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal > links which is self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r > serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) . > > > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ghopal Ji and members, > > > Namaskar, > > > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member, > > > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all > we > > > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there > are > > > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they > will > > > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing > and > > > must maintain a mutual regard. > > > > > > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have > > > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street > dogs. > > > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand > with > > > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only > discussing > > > about various points, which is being raised or supported by > > > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their > point > > > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive > language. I > > > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith > supported > > > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has > > > answered my basic question narrated in my blog " astrology a > science > > > or myth " . They used to divert the matter and even then they are > not > > > able to substantiate their own points. > > > > > > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are > following > > > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main > point is > > > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand, > which is > > > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they > may > > > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic. > > > > > > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was > > > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may > > > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each > > > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will > say > > > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every > one > > > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe > > > elephant. > > > > > > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is > created > > > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it > is > > > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed > by > > > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, > > > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion, > > > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our > > > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names > with > > > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious > > > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any > principle > > > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on. > > > > > > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith, > is > > > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by > > > astrologer for their livelihood. > > > > > > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version > after > > > receiving some reaction of the members. > > > > > > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most > of > > > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum. > They > > > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job, > > > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams > but > > > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every > thing > > > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him > in > > > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation > have > > > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the > challenges, > > > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of > > > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams > > > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted > for > > > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind > him > > > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some > > > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will > be > > > good, and he looses his struggling capacity. > > > > > > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face > odd > > > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic, > must > > > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience, > > > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve > etc. > > > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe > in > > > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our > > > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back > to > > > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will > like > > > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of > > > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on > astrology), > > > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal. > No > > > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try > to > > > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding > important > > > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or > > > psychological game. > > > > > > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their > > > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or > supportive > > > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the > gateway of > > > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic > hence > > > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader > take > > > active part in discussion. > > > > > > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to > follow > > > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we > may > > > continue our interaction. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2008 , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned Members, Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known from the Puranas. Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term “Vedic” is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. Naidu KP --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2008 , "K. P. Naidu"<konathalan wrote:Dear Learned Members,Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N.Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal.Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhapsimportant clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used torefer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before asfar as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology asVedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not becalled Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedasare the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21].But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as theentire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature ofthe world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubtabout it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determineTithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits).Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), orEclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is inthe Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be knownfrom the Puranas.Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hinduastrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I neververified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now Istand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology.Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term“Vedic” is a great marketing tool especially in the new agemovement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology willcontinue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially inthe west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term"Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as youhavebeen doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05)Members' opinion / comments are invited pl.Naidu KP--- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2008 dear jyothishi ji ( fake id of Ak kaul ) where is ur translations of sri maha bhagavatham as promised .why u run away frm discussions ,now i heard u being grilled again and again u run for cover .where u will hide u calender fraud ?? where is ur other cronies ?? If u respect sri K N raoji or pundit sanjay rathji or sri PVR ji tell us openly than taking out of context references and post it . regrds M Varma . vedic astrology , Jyotishi Jyotishi <jyotishi2001 wrote: > > > > > > , " K. P. Naidu " > konathalan@ wrote: > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of shri K.N. > Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind perusal. > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but perhaps > important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often used to > refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before as > far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology as > Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly? > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should not be > called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedas > are the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21]. > But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as the > entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature of > the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of doubt > about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to determine > Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara (transits). > Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas (festivals), or > Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the Vedas is in > the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to be known > from the Puranas. > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call Hindu > astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and I never > verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar. But now I > stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. > Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the term > " Vedic " is a great marketing tool especially in the new age > movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will > continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology especially in > the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term > " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right in USA. Do as you > have > been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05) > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl. > > Naidu KP > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Mr. Pankaj Dhar, I am reading your mail for the first time, so very confused about your message. Kindly take time to write and post message, such confusing mails like the one you posted are any indication, they reflect the confusion in your mind than anything else. This is an honest feedback on your message quality. Kindly take it seriously. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 23, 2009 ||OM NAMAH SHIVAYA|| My Namaskar to all Learned Members, I have started to learn Vedic Astrology on my own through net and books. It will be nice and helpful for students of Vedic astrology like me if you start Astrology classes in your groups which will teach Astrology from base. Learning with help of books makes it difficult when you come across a query where no one is there to explain it. So its my humble request to all Learned members if possible please start astrology classes. In this way the ancient knowledge will spread and will remain alive. Please forgive me if there is any mistake in the mail. Pranam, Sanjay Narayan Naik. 9923052663 ||OM NAMAH SHIVAYA|| Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
