Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

June 4, 2009

I reiterate, Chandrasekaran ji :-)

You are thinking of the doctor and modern medicine as it is in current times!

But let us say in 1700s. There were doctors then too and more patients

understandably died back then. If they had given up continuing to learn from

their failures and their dead, would you be able to post your message, with the

same conviction, to which I am responding now?

RR

, chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 wrote:

>

> There is a huge difference between a Doctor and and Astrologer.

>

> Doctor uses the knowledge already existing to predict what could

> be the problem with the patient and cures him. It is not that the

> doctor let him pass away and then on this cadaver apply the theory and

> learn. His job is to save the patient. Not to learn the knowledge by

> let him pass away.

>

> So astrology is also the same. astrologer's job is to predict the

> event, not let the plane crash and then start applying the theories to

> prove the world. Good astrologers predict the events well in advance.

> At least a hint if not perfectly correct.

>

> --Chandrasekaran.B

>

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having

> > learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through doing

> > autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients?

> >

> > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one

> >> who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.

> >> Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody

> >> can do.

> >>

> >> --shekar.B

> >>

> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > To All :

> >> >

> >> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> >> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >> >

> >> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >> >

> >> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >> >

> >> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >> >

> >> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> >> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >> >

> >> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> >> > with malefic Sun.

> >> >

> >> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> >> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >> >

> >> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> >> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >> >

> >> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> >> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> >> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >> >

> >> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> >> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >> >

> >> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >> >

> >> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >> >

> >> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >> >

> >> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >> >

> >> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >> >

> >> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >> >

> >> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> >> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> >> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> >> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >> >

> >> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >> >

> >> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> >> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> >> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> >> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> >> > airy naadi.

> >> >

> >> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> >> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> >> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> >> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> >> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> >> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> >> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> >> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> >> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> >> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> >> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >> >

> >> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> >> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> >> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> >> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> >> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> >> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> >> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> >> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> >> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> >> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> >> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> >> > as reports.

> >> >

> >> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> >> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> >> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> >> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> >> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> >> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >> >

> >> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> >> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> >> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> >> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> >> > took place.

> >> >

> >> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> >> >

> >> > <http://duard.com.br/blog/af-447-voo-airfrance-lista-de-passageiros-todo\

> >> > s-mortos.html/_45852693_plane_crash2_466> :

> >> >

> >> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> >> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> >> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> >> > Brazil.

> >> >

> >> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >> >

> >> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >> >

> >> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> >> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >> >

> >> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> >> > fault from the aircraft.

> >> >

> >> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> >> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike.

> >> >

> >> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> >> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >> >

> >> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >> >

> >> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> >> > ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >> >

> >> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >> >

> >> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >> >

> >> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >> >

> >> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> >> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> >> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >> >

> >> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >> >

> >> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> >> > of OI Phone Company

> >> >

> >> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >> >

> >> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >> >

> >> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >> >

> >> > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> >> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >> >

> >> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> >> > Association - Italy

> >> >

> >> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> >> > Italy

> >> >

> >> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >> >

> >> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >> >

> >> > -Vinay Jha

> >> > ======================= ======

> >> >

June 4, 2009

Dear Dada,

Not quite identical as analogies go, but didn't Hitler try that (not jyotishis

but astrologers!) or something similar? Look where he ended up! ;-)

Rohiniranjan

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> If we extend Chandrasekharanji's point then it would be advisable for the

Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the

time-tables of departures.

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM

>

Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having

learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through doing

autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients?

>

> That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one

> > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.

> > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody

> > can do.

> >

> > --shekar.B

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> > >

> > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> > >

> > > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> > >

> > > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> > >

> > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> > >

> > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > > with malefic Sun.

> > >

> > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> > >

> > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> > >

> > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> > >

> > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> > >

> > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> > >

> > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> > >

> > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> > >

> > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> > >

> > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> > >

> > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> > >

> > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> > >

> > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> > >

> > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > > airy naadi.

> > >

> > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > > to 27 for the whole year).

> > >

> > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > > as reports.

> > >

> > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> > >

> > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > > took place.

> > >

> > > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros-

todo\

> > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> :

> > >

> > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > > Brazil.

> > >

> > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> > >

> > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> > >

> > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> > >

> > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > > fault from the aircraft.

> > >

> > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike.

> > >

> > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> > >

> > > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> > >

> > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> > >

> > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> > >

> > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> > >

> > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> > >

> > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> > >

> > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> > >

> > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > > of OI Phone Company

> > >

> > > 8.) Deise Possamai

> > >

> > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> > >

> > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> > >

> > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> > >

> > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > > Association - Italy

> > >

> > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > > Italy

> > >

> > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> > >

> > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ========= == ======

> > >

June 4, 2009

Vinay ji,

As far as I am concerned, Jyotish is being rediscovered and reconstituted in

modern times. Hence a posteriori (I hate the term postmortem, although in the

case of the recent AirFRance crash it is somberly appropriate) examinations must

not be pooh-poohed upon by anyone, no matter how illustrious or respected on

Internet or wherever!

The only person who can criticise what you attempted to do, in your analysis

should be one who has DEMONSTRATED their mettle by having predicted similar

disasters in a documented manner. It does not have to be an airline disaster but

disaster of similar magnitude.

And if one is not forthcoming with documented citations (their own and not

predictions by Prof. this or that or Mr. This or that!), then I do not see why

anyone should criticise your postings where you discuss astrological cases, like

you have done for the Airline disaster.

One can discuss, and respectfully disagree with your delineations or

astrological reasoning, but it would be hypocritical for anyone to question your

posting just because it was done a posteriori, after the fact! Astrological

magazines and books are full of such writings and truth be told, I see no reason

why you should be attacked or criticised for posting your a posteriori findings!

If I am mistaken and I am in a forum which is bristling with Jyotishis who have

predicted such disasters, please step forward, provide your track record and

citations and I shall stand corrected :-)

Rohiniranjan

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good astrologer

is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim " ,

stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional epithets like

" actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis is the sign of

unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an astrologer can keep

track of so many flights and make predictions about them single-handedly ? And

even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, which airliner would have

heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when

there was no muhurta

> for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it

> is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the

crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ?

>

> The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements of

aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists possess. As

a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by astrologers in a

concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict such mishaps with

certainty because the method is too complicated to allow predictions by

indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an individual to

monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research cannot be carried

out without post-event analysis.

>

> Chandrasekharanji's repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting that

it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all research in

the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some members at my

attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 lives. These

fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put forth any alternative

approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts by someone to explain the

tragedy.

>

> Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about

forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ??

>

> These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to

support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. It

is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and divert the

issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear methodology which anyone

could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree of reliability. Instead of

throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these fellows are burying this topic.

If my approach is faulty, which they laugh at without pointing at the lapses, if

any, why they do not come up with alternative approaches ? Are they not

interested in finding out the means to predict crashes ? If they do not know how

to predict, why others cannot carry out the research ?

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============================= ===

>

> ________________________________

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

>

> Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM

> Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the

Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the

time-tables of departures.

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM

>

> Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having