Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I reiterate, Chandrasekaran ji :-) You are thinking of the doctor and modern medicine as it is in current times! But let us say in 1700s. There were doctors then too and more patients understandably died back then. If they had given up continuing to learn from their failures and their dead, would you be able to post your message, with the same conviction, to which I am responding now? RR , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 wrote: > > There is a huge difference between a Doctor and and Astrologer. > > Doctor uses the knowledge already existing to predict what could > be the problem with the patient and cures him. It is not that the > doctor let him pass away and then on this cadaver apply the theory and > learn. His job is to save the patient. Not to learn the knowledge by > let him pass away. > > So astrology is also the same. astrologer's job is to predict the > event, not let the plane crash and then start applying the theories to > prove the world. Good astrologers predict the events well in advance. > At least a hint if not perfectly correct. > > --Chandrasekaran.B > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having > > learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through doing > > autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@> > > wrote: > >> > >> sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > >> who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > >> Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > >> can do. > >> > >> --shekar.B > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > To All : > >> > > >> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > >> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > >> > > >> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > >> > > >> > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > >> > > >> > 3) Ketu in 8th, > >> > > >> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > >> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > >> > > >> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > >> > with malefic Sun. > >> > > >> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > >> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > >> > > >> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > >> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > >> > > >> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > >> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > >> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > >> > > >> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > >> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > >> > > >> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > >> > > >> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > >> > > >> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > >> > > >> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > >> > > >> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > >> > > >> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > >> > > >> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > >> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > >> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > >> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > >> > > >> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > >> > > >> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > >> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > >> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > >> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > >> > airy naadi. > >> > > >> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > >> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > >> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > >> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > >> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > >> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > >> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > >> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > >> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > >> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > >> > to 27 for the whole year). > >> > > >> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > >> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > >> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > >> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > >> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > >> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > >> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > >> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > >> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > >> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > >> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > >> > as reports. > >> > > >> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > >> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > >> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > >> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > >> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > >> > Pravesha chart in those regions. > >> > > >> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > >> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > >> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > >> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > >> > took place. > >> > > >> > Here are some news items scanned through internet > >> > > >> > <http://duard.com.br/blog/af-447-voo-airfrance-lista-de-passageiros-todo\ > >> > s-mortos.html/_45852693_plane_crash2_466> : > >> > > >> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > >> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > >> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > >> > Brazil. > >> > > >> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > >> > > >> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > >> > > >> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > >> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > >> > > >> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > >> > fault from the aircraft. > >> > > >> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > >> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > >> > > >> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > >> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > >> > > >> > Here are some names who were onboard ; > >> > > >> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > >> > ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > >> > > >> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > >> > > >> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > >> > > >> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > >> > > >> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > >> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > >> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > >> > > >> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > >> > > >> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > >> > of OI Phone Company > >> > > >> > 8.) Deise Possamai > >> > > >> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > >> > > >> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > >> > > >> > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > >> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > >> > > >> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > >> > Association - Italy > >> > > >> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > >> > Italy > >> > > >> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > >> > > >> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > >> > > >> > -Vinay Jha > >> > ======================= ====== > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Dada, Not quite identical as analogies go, but didn't Hitler try that (not jyotishis but astrologers!) or something similar? Look where he ended up! ;-) Rohiniranjan , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji's point then it would be advisable for the Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the time-tables of departures. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > can do. > > > > --shekar.B > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > as reports. > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > > took place. > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > Brazil. > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > Italy > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Vinay ji, As far as I am concerned, Jyotish is being rediscovered and reconstituted in modern times. Hence a posteriori (I hate the term postmortem, although in the case of the recent AirFRance crash it is somberly appropriate) examinations must not be pooh-poohed upon by anyone, no matter how illustrious or respected on Internet or wherever! The only person who can criticise what you attempted to do, in your analysis should be one who has DEMONSTRATED their mettle by having predicted similar disasters in a documented manner. It does not have to be an airline disaster but disaster of similar magnitude. And if one is not forthcoming with documented citations (their own and not predictions by Prof. this or that or Mr. This or that!), then I do not see why anyone should criticise your postings where you discuss astrological cases, like you have done for the Airline disaster. One can discuss, and respectfully disagree with your delineations or astrological reasoning, but it would be hypocritical for anyone to question your posting just because it was done a posteriori, after the fact! Astrological magazines and books are full of such writings and truth be told, I see no reason why you should be attacked or criticised for posting your a posteriori findings! If I am mistaken and I am in a forum which is bristling with Jyotishis who have predicted such disasters, please step forward, provide your track record and citations and I shall stand corrected :-) Rohiniranjan , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good astrologer is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim " , stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional epithets like " actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis is the sign of unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an astrologer can keep track of so many flights and make predictions about them single-handedly ? And even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, which airliner would have heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when there was no muhurta > for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it > is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ? > > The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements of aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists possess. As a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by astrologers in a concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict such mishaps with certainty because the method is too complicated to allow predictions by indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an individual to monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research cannot be carried out without post-event analysis. > > Chandrasekharanji's repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting that it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all research in the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some members at my attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 lives. These fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put forth any alternative approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts by someone to explain the tragedy. > > Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ?? > > These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. It is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and divert the issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear methodology which anyone could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree of reliability. Instead of throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these fellows are burying this topic. If my approach is faulty, which they laugh at without pointing at the lapses, if any, why they do not come up with alternative approaches ? Are they not interested in finding out the means to predict crashes ? If they do not know how to predict, why others cannot carry out the research ? > > -Vinay Jha > ============================= === > > > ________________________________ > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > > > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the time-tables of departures. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > can do. > > > > --shekar.B > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > as reports. > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > > took place. > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > according to the Brazilian air force.. The jet had just passed the > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > Brazil. > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital..(Porto > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > Italy > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Mr. Vinay, I was not laughing at your methods. I was not laughing at your research. I was not laughing at you. One should first understand the " known " and then try to understand the unknown. There is no doubt at all. All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should accept the failures. That is all. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good > astrologer is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution > the victim " , stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional > epithets like " actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis > is the sign of unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an > astrologer can keep track of so many flights and make predictions about them > single-handedly ? And even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, > which airliner would have heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in > Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when there was no muhurta > for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it > is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the > crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ? > > The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements > of aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists > possess. As a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by > astrologers in a concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict > such mishaps with certainty because the method is too complicated to allow > predictions by indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an > individual to monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research > cannot be carried out without post-event analysis. > > Chandrasekharanji's repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting > that it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all > research in the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some > members at my attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 > lives. These fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put > forth any alternative approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts > by someone to explain the tragedy. > > Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about > forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ?? > > These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to > support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. > It is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and > divert the issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear > methodology which anyone could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree > of reliability. Instead of throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these > fellows are burying this topic. If my approach is faulty, which they laugh > at without pointing at the lapses, if any, why they do not come up with > alternative approaches ? Are they not interested in finding out the means to > predict crashes ? If they do not know how to predict, why others cannot > carry out the research ? > > -Vinay Jha > ============================= === > > ________________________________ > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya<sunil_bhattacharjya%40> > > > <%40> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, > 2009 > > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the > Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the > time-tables of departures. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without > having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through > doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 wrote: > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > can do. > > > > --shekar.B > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th > house > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer > Moon) > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining > areas > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, > 3rd > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is > from > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which > contained > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on > northern > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, > esp > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > as reports. > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which > crash > > > took place. > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- > passageiros- todo\ > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > according to the Brazilian air force.. The jet had just passed the > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > Brazil. > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital..(Porto > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don > Pedro > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > Italy > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmagazine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard.com.br/blog/af-447-voo-airfrance-lista-de-passageiros-todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/_45852693_plane_crash2_466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======================= ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear vinay jha ji, I express my apologies to you. But many of them have lot of bitter experiences with astrologers, the reason being, they first ask what is your problem? then they will justify why that problem has occurred. But the astrologers can as well look into his chart, he knows what the planetic position is, he can atleast come close to the problem. But it doesn't happen in most of the cases. So people have lost faith in astrology. I just wanted to bring this point, that just by looking into the chart, atleast you can predict something which can be close to the actual problem. But i apologise for my comments. sorry about that. Regds, Chandrasekaran.B On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Those who lack " Divya Dhrushti " expect it from others. Without Post Mortem, > causes cannot be identified and applied for future predictions. > > ________________________________ > pkssk <pkssk > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:25:30 PM > > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > There are couple of things we need to understand.. > > 1. Had the Air France come to a Jyotish and asked him, I have a plan taking > off from Rio at So and So Time on So and So Day.. Should it? Then the > jyotish would have said.. NO HELL NO. > 2. But a jyotish sitting in Hyderbad doesn't even know that the plane is > taking off from Rio at xx.xx on xx-xx-xxxx. So how does he predict. > > Probably the mistake is to do Post Mortem.. Is that the mistake here. > Otherwise we should expect a person with " Divya Dhrushti " . > > Thanks > C > , Ravindramani CS <ravindramani@ ...> > wrote: >> >> Dear Krishna, >> >> I started smiling when read this and laughed heartfully afterwards. LOL >> >> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 <<< " All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should acceptthe failures. That is all. " >>> The issue must not be diverted : the issue is not a failure of any particular prediction made by me or anyone else, the issue is whether we should try to analyze post-event scenes or not. Can you point out any specific " failure " on my part ? I am not God and i may err, but where is that particular " failure " which you want to discuss, instead of the main issue which is the title of this thread in which you have nothing to add. Please do not feel offended, my aim is not to hurt you, but to emphasize that Case Studies are indespensable for understanding complicated events which are hard to predict and we should desist from diverting the issue. If you want to discuss the success or failures of astrologers, you should start a new topic for it, but this tragedy taking 228 lives should not be buried under irrelavant talks. If we have nothing to contribute to this thread, we can at least mourn for the killed passengers. Do not misunderstand me. Many good topics in fora get diverted to irrelevant discussions. It is better to stop this thread than to divert the talk. -VJ ======================== ==== ________________________________ Ravindramani CS <ravindramani Thursday, June 4, 2009 10:17:20 AM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Mr. Vinay, I was not laughing at your methods. I was not laughing at your research. I was not laughing at you. One should first understand the " known " and then try to understand the unknown. There is no doubt at all. All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should accept the failures. That is all. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good > astrologer is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution > the victim " , stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional > epithets like " actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis > is the sign of unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an > astrologer can keep track of so many flights and make predictions about them > single-handedly ? And even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, > which airliner would have heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in > Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when there was no muhurta > for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it > is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the > crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ? > > The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements > of aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists > possess. As a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by > astrologers in a concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict > such mishaps with certainty because the method is too complicated to allow > predictions by indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an > individual to monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research > cannot be carried out without post-event analysis. > > Chandrasekharanji' s repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting > that it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all > research in the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some > members at my attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 > lives. These fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put > forth any alternative approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts > by someone to explain the tragedy. > > Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about > forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ?? > > These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to > support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. > It is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and > divert the issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear > methodology which anyone could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree > of reliability. Instead of throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these > fellows are burying this topic. If my approach is faulty, which they laugh > at without pointing at the lapses, if any, why they do not come up with > alternative approaches ? Are they not interested in finding out the means to > predict crashes ? If they do not know how to predict, why others cannot > carry out the research ? > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ========= ======== === > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @<sunil_bhattacharjy a%40. com> > > > <% 40. com> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, > 2009 > > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the > Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the > time-tables of departures. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without > having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through > doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > can do. > > > > --shekar.B > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th > house > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer > Moon) > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining > areas > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, > 3rd > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is > from > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which > contained > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on > northern > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, > esp > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > as reports. > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which > crash > > > took place. > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- > passageiros- todo\ > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > according to the Brazilian air force.. The jet had just passed the > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > Brazil. > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital..(Porto > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don > Pedro > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > Italy > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I clearly expressed that my message was not at all aimed at you. I wrote clearly one can proceed from the known to unkonwn. C.S. Ravindramani. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > <<< " All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should acceptthe failures. That is all. " >>> > > The issue must not be diverted : the issue is not a failure of any particular prediction made by me or anyone else, the issue is whether we should try to analyze post-event scenes or not. Can you point out any specific " failure " on my part ? I am not God and i may err, but where is that particular " failure " which you want to discuss, instead of the main issue which is the title of this thread in which you have nothing to add. > > Please do not feel offended, my aim is not to hurt you, but to emphasize that Case Studies are indespensable for understanding complicated events which are hard to predict and we should desist from diverting the issue. If you want to discuss the success or failures of astrologers, you should start a new topic for it, but this tragedy taking 228 lives should not be buried under irrelavant talks. If we have nothing to contribute to this thread, we can at least mourn for the killed passengers. Do not misunderstand me. Many good topics in fora get diverted to irrelevant discussions. It is better to stop this thread than to divert the talk. > > > -VJ > ======================== ==== > > > ________________________________ > Ravindramani CS <ravindramani > > Thursday, June 4, 2009 10:17:20 AM > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > > > > Mr. Vinay, > > I was not laughing at your methods. I was not laughing at your research. I > was not laughing at you. One should first understand the " known " and then > try to understand the unknown. There is no doubt at all. > > All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should accept > the failures. That is all. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good > > astrologer is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution > > the victim " , stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional > > epithets like " actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis > > is the sign of unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an > > astrologer can keep track of so many flights and make predictions about them > > single-handedly ? And even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, > > which airliner would have heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in > > Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when there was no muhurta > > for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it > > is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the > > crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ? > > > > The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements > > of aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists > > possess. As a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by > > astrologers in a concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict > > such mishaps with certainty because the method is too complicated to allow > > predictions by indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an > > individual to monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research > > cannot be carried out without post-event analysis. > > > > Chandrasekharanji' s repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting > > that it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all > > research in the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some > > members at my attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 > > lives. These fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put > > forth any alternative approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts > > by someone to explain the tragedy. > > > > Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about > > forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ?? > > > > These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to > > support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. > > It is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and > > divert the issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear > > methodology which anyone could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree > > of reliability. Instead of throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these > > fellows are burying this topic. If my approach is faulty, which they laugh > > at without pointing at the lapses, if any, why they do not come up with > > alternative approaches ? Are they not interested in finding out the means to > > predict crashes ? If they do not know how to predict, why others cannot > > carry out the research ? > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= ======== === > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @<sunil_bhattacharjy a%40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com> > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM > > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, > > 2009 > > > > > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the > > Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the > > time-tables of departures. > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without > > having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through > > doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > > can do. > > > > > > --shekar.B > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th > > house > > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer > > Moon) > > > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining > > areas > > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, > > 3rd > > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is > > from > > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which > > contained > > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on > > northern > > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, > > esp > > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > > as reports. > > > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which > > crash > > > > took place. > > > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- > > passageiros- todo\ > > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > > according to the Brazilian air force.. The jet had just passed the > > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > > Brazil. > > > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital..(Porto > > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don > > Pedro > > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > > Italy > > > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Sunil Da, When I posted my original analysis of this crash, I searched for all possible spots of crash from Rio to Paris, because there was no clear news about the actual crash site. My analysis showed 30W 10N as the most dangerous spot, while current news show most of the debris spread over a huge area from the equator to about 4N (mostly around 1:20'N), but recent news say the plane was returning to land due to greater turbulence ahead. Hence, my original analysis of greatest turbulence at 10N (+/- few degrees crudeness because my software uses world map on which 2-3 degree errors are possible while making manual obervations). I examined crash site charts too, but it is not possible to present 18 charts which are indespensable for analyzing this tragedy here , they need a special webpage. If astrologers want to learn my technique in detail, I will create such a webpage specially dedicated to this incident. I have already created such a webpage (yesterday), but only copied and pasted the material from this forum. -VJ ================ === ________________________________ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Cc: ; vedic astrology Thursday, June 4, 2009 6:20:40 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay, I think in addition to your analysis one has to take into account the path of the plane as a dangerous spot developed at that particular place (ie. at that particular latitude and longitude) and that time when the plane passed through it. So an analysis of the kundali of that place at that particular time will be equally relevant, if not more. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:46 PM The method I used here is so difficult that that only a few supermen will be able to predict anything using it on their own, but a team work may yield good results. Most of the scientists work with team spirit, while astrologers laugh at each other, even when 228 innocent persons get killed. A member asked what was the chance of any survival in this crash, which prompted me to carry out the analysis. I said : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . <<< " Once the event is known, astrologers will be able to show it using their own methods, be it Vedic, KP, Western, Uranian or any other homegrown techniques. " >>> Why not show one's own technique in explaining the event? Failure to predict is a result of failure to learn from and respect each other, failure to compare various methods impartially, and failure to admit one's mistakes and rectify them. To err is human, but to stick to methods which fail to explain events is not good. Post-event analyses are indespensable for learning , comparing and rectifying our methods, as Rohiniranjan ji rightly feels. -VJ ============ ==== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Ravindramani CS <ravindramani@ gmail.com> Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:36:41 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Krishna, I started smiling when read this and laughed heartfully afterwards. LOL Regards, C.S. Ravindramani On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama < krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > Agreed Sir! Once the event is known, astrologers will be able to show it > using their own methods, be it Vedic, KP, Western, Uranian or any other > homegrown techniques. When it comes to prediction most of us falter. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ gmail. com <shekar1975% 40gmail.com> > > <% 40. com> > Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 2:52:00 PM > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > > wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- > passageiros- todo\ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Thanks. -VJ ________________________________ ravindramani <ravindramani Thursday, June 4, 2009 11:38:21 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 I clearly expressed that my message was not at all aimed at you. I wrote clearly one can proceed from the known to unkonwn. C.S. Ravindramani. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > <<< " All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should acceptthe failures. That is all. " >>> > > The issue must not be diverted : the issue is not a failure of any particular prediction made by me or anyone else, the issue is whether we should try to analyze post-event scenes or not. Can you point out any specific " failure " on my part ? I am not God and i may err, but where is that particular " failure " which you want to discuss, instead of the main issue which is the title of this thread in which you have nothing to add. > > Please do not feel offended, my aim is not to hurt you, but to emphasize that Case Studies are indespensable for understanding complicated events which are hard to predict and we should desist from diverting the issue. If you want to discuss the success or failures of astrologers, you should start a new topic for it, but this tragedy taking 228 lives should not be buried under irrelavant talks. If we have nothing to contribute to this thread, we can at least mourn for the killed passengers. Do not misunderstand me. Many good topics in fora get diverted to irrelevant discussions. It is better to stop this thread than to divert the talk. > > > -VJ > ============ ========= === ==== > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Ravindramani CS <ravindramani@ ...> > > Thursday, June 4, 2009 10:17:20 AM > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > > > > Mr. Vinay, > > I was not laughing at your methods. I was not laughing at your research. I > was not laughing at you. One should first understand the " known " and then > try to understand the unknown. There is no doubt at all. > > All astrologers fail in their predictions. The issue is one should accept > the failures. That is all. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Chandrasekharanji is repeatedly saying that " the actual real good > > astrologer is one who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution > > the victim " , stressing the goodness of a " good " astrologer with additional > > epithets like " actual " and " real " , suggesting that any post-event analysis > > is the sign of unreal bad astrologer. Can Chandrasekharanji show us how an > > astrologer can keep track of so many flights and make predictions about them > > single-handedly ? And even if someone accomplishes this Herculean task, > > which airliner would have heeded his/her predictions ? AF447 took off in > > Uttara Phalguni Nakshatra when there was no muhurta > > for any long distance travel. If airliners do not respect Jyotisha, it > > is not the fault of Jyotishis. Had Chandrasekharanji himself predicted the > > crash of AF447, would Air France heeded his advice ? > > > > The fact is that astrologers cannot monitor and predict so many movements > > of aircrafts, trains and ships. They lack the infrastructure scientists > > possess. As a result, this field has not been thoroughly investigated by > > astrologers in a concerted manner. To be frank, no astrologer can predict > > such mishaps with certainty because the method is too complicated to allow > > predictions by indivuduals. We need some simple method which could allow an > > individual to monitor and predict crashes. This calls for research. Research > > cannot be carried out without post-event analysis. > > > > Chandrasekharanji' s repeated assaults on post-event analysis suggesting > > that it is unreal and bad astrology is nothing but a call for ban on all > > research in the field of astrology. I was apalled ay " laughing " of some > > members at my attempts to understand and explain a tragedy which claimed 228 > > lives. These fellows cannot find fault with my approach, and cannot put > > forth any alternative approach, they can only deride and belittle attempts > > by someone to explain the tragedy. > > > > Why Chandrasekharanji does not publish a list of his predictions about > > forthcoming crashes, if he is a " actual " and " real " and " good " astrologer ?? > > > > These complex fields need cooperative efforts and good infrastructure to > > support, which scientists possess, while astrologers " laugh " at each other. > > It is saddening to not that these fellows are merely trying to bury and > > divert the issue : the main issue is that astrologers need a clear > > methodology which anyone could use for predicting crashes with a fair degree > > of reliability. Instead of throwing light upon this cardinal problem, these > > fellows are burying this topic. If my approach is faulty, which they laugh > > at without pointing at the lapses, if any, why they do not come up with > > alternative approaches ? Are they not interested in finding out the means to > > predict crashes ? If they do not know how to predict, why others cannot > > carry out the research ? > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= ======== === > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @<sunil_ bhattacharjy a%40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com> > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:31:13 PM > > Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, > > 2009 > > > > > > If we extend Chandrasekharanji' s point then it would be advisable for the > > Airlines and all the Transport authorities to employ Jyotishis to fix the > > time-tables of departures. > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > Then again, can one become a doctor and eventually save lives without > > having learned anatomy on cadavers and without learning pathology through > > doing autopsies (post mortems) on dead patients? > > > > That is, if astrology is a science as most claim...? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > > can do. > > > > > > --shekar.B > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th > > house > > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer > > Moon) > > > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining > > areas > > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, > > 3rd > > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is > > from > > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which > > contained > > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on > > northern > > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, > > esp > > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > > > as reports. > > > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which > > crash > > > > took place. > > > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- > > passageiros- todo\ > > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > > according to the Brazilian air force.. The jet had just passed the > > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > > > Brazil. > > > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital..(Porto > > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > > > 7..) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don > > Pedro > > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > > Italy > > > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ========================== ======= ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Krishna Ji, Even today, it is only a guess that lightning was a cause. Debris was found much after my analysis was posted. When some members were told that my rain predictions were verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, and CAOS, IISc (Bangalore) accepted my scientific paper on rain forecaatng, I was declared a " fraud " in many forums by a small team without any proof against me ! NASA and IISc are well known institutions and anyone could check whether I was a liar or not. But mutual jealousy often blinds some " astrologers " . They were only a handful, but determined to " finish " me (their leader even used the word " kill " ). There must be something special either in me or in these special types of astrologers, who have least interest in reading my case studies and predictions, and are always trying to prove me wrong, without reading me. You are not a part of this team. But I fail to understand why you are determined to post irrellevant messages in this thread if you do not want to read or discuss the case study posted by me. If you want only predictions and no case studies, first prove your own mettle before testing mine (please take it as a friendly proposition). If you succeeed in making one good prediction, I will do ten. Let us compete. OK ? Let us start with impending Indian monsoos. Predict the areas and timings of hazards related to monsoons. It is a useful excercize which will benefit not only astrologers but everyone. I have started posting my forecasts. Let us bury this thread and forget the 228 dead, because you are determined not to allow any discussion on a post-event analysis, and let us show our mettle in prediction as you want. I was told that if I do not send case studies, I should not remain a member of astrological fora. And you are saying the opposite. Hence, I am forced to be more outspoken now, because I can never please everyone in these fora where members make contrary demands. -VJ ================= ====== ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:30:00 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub.. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > @ .. com Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr.. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr.. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Again 1 point missed out here.. is.. The doctor predicts/diagonises what is the problem with the patient when **the patient visits the doctor and ask him what is my problem**. Just because my neighbour passed away, I cannot blame the doctor communitity because he has not seen a doctor about his problem. And then when a doctor does postmortem.. I won't tell him he is bad doctor, because he is doing postmortem. I hope my anolagy is a result of good comprehension of your message. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Raman ji, Coming from an illustrious family, and having been surrounded by magnificient astrologers you would perhaps be able to answer this question better than most, having experienced such great prognosticators such as Prof. BV Raman, Smt. Gayatri Devi and others perhaps directly as you grew up and perhaps learned from them. Even if someone could predict this disaster right down to the day, flight number and so on, what would have been the consequences of such a prediction even if it were given say a month or two months before the ghastly accident? Would the airline have not launched the flight on that day or time? Would the passengers have not booked the flight on that plane? How would such a prediction changed the course of the tragedy? Given the current reality, attitude and acceptance of people, governments, flight industry of astrology? The same can be said of the mass shootings in schools such as in Montreal, Columbine, Mumbai blast and many of the terrorist attacks. Even when remarkable predictions have been given in the past about individuals, no astrologer has been able to get down to specifics, name, date and time. In those cases, in most cases, people marvel after the prediction comes true and are in awe of astrology and astrologer, but I am not sure if the prediction really changed the course of anything or avoided what was to happen. Perplexing but pragmatic reality, I hope you would agree and that my questions are serious and not aimed at minimalizing some of the uncanny prognosticators and prognostications. Others may comment to if they know the answers. Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Raman Suprajarama " <cru115 wrote: > > If I can add my 2 cents. > > I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict > the events in advance... > However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent > learning. > > One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say > a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial > combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it > regularly - midst our busy schedules. > > Best wishes, > > Raman Suprajarama > Visit www.astrologicalmagazine.com > > , chandrasekaran iyer > <shekar1975@> wrote: > > > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim. > > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > > can do. > > > > --shekar.B > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. > 1) > > > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect > relation > > > with malefic Sun. > > > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in > 69% > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th > house > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly > malefic > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons > whose > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer > Moon) > > > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and > ketu > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points > : > > > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha > (sidereal > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining > areas > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and > in > > > airy naadi. > > > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, > 3rd > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of > moolatrikona. > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in > 12th, > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is > from > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from > 5 > > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which > contained > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery > naadis, > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having > close > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on > northern > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being > lord > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, > esp > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as > well > > > as reports. > > > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th > Nakshatra : > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, > in > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet > news. > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which > crash > > > took place. > > > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > > > <http://duard.com.br/blog/af-447-voo-airfrance-lista-de-passageiros-todo\ > \ > > > s-mortos.html/_45852693_plane_crash2_466> : > > > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast > of > > > Brazil. > > > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an > electrical > > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been > caused > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of > finding > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > > ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin > Bank > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem) > > > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming > manager > > > of OI Phone Company > > > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don > Pedro > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > > Association - Italy > > > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > > Italy > > > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======================= ====== > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Since you did not quote, we are not sure who you really wished to respond to, but since in the message tree, your response appears next in hierarchy to mine, I am presuming you were responding to me :-) Using the modern medical model (or what I understand it as!). There was a time when the doctors worked without pressure and accountability and many worked well, some got greedy and we all suffered! In a modern country (USA), people started suing doctors for missing this and that, and some allegations were serious, others were mostly mischief. The lawyers had moved in! So doctors started to cover their *assets* and began ordering all kinds of tests, the latest I have heard of is a pan-scan or something like that. Result: Cost of delivering medicine went up crazily! Too many unnecessary tests! In countries where health care is not provided by government, the poor suffered! In countries where it was covered by society, the trend was more controlled but still the costs mounted! Either way, we all suffered! Those who are in the alternative medicine field were benefitted because now people gravitated to cheaper modalities, many of which are unregulated and some questionable! Who goes there and what is the outcome is variably charted and so the gray cloud accumulates thicker. Hard to separate the good from the bad and the ugly! Again, I think, we all suffered!! Rohiniranjan , " pkssk " <pkssk wrote: > > Again 1 point missed out here.. is.. > The doctor predicts/diagonises what is the problem with the patient when **the patient visits the doctor and ask him what is my problem**. > > Just because my neighbour passed away, I cannot blame the doctor communitity because he has not seen a doctor about his problem. > And then when a doctor does postmortem.. I won't tell him he is bad doctor, because he is doing postmortem. > > I hope my anolagy is a result of good comprehension of your message. > C > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. Hope I am clear this time. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Thursday, 4 June, 2009 4:10:54 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, Even today, it is only a guess that lightning was a cause. Debris was found much after my analysis was posted. When some members were told that my rain predictions were verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, and CAOS, IISc (Bangalore) accepted my scientific paper on rain forecaatng, I was declared a " fraud " in many forums by a small team without any proof against me ! NASA and IISc are well known institutions and anyone could check whether I was a liar or not. But mutual jealousy often blinds some " astrologers " . They were only a handful, but determined to " finish " me (their leader even used the word " kill " ). There must be something special either in me or in these special types of astrologers, who have least interest in reading my case studies and predictions, and are always trying to prove me wrong, without reading me. You are not a part of this team. But I fail to understand why you are determined to post irrellevant messages in this thread if you do not want to read or discuss the case study posted by me. If you want only predictions and no case studies, first prove your own mettle before testing mine (please take it as a friendly proposition) . If you succeeed in making one good prediction, I will do ten. Let us compete. OK ? Let us start with impending Indian monsoos. Predict the areas and timings of hazards related to monsoons. It is a useful excercize which will benefit not only astrologers but everyone. I have started posting my forecasts. Let us bury this thread and forget the 228 dead, because you are determined not to allow any discussion on a post-event analysis, and let us show our mettle in prediction as you want. I was told that if I do not send case studies, I should not remain a member of astrological fora. And you are saying the opposite. Hence, I am forced to be more outspoken now, because I can never please everyone in these fora where members make contrary demands. -VJ ============ ===== ====== ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:30:00 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub.. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > @ . . com Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr.. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr.. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I fail to understand what you mean by saying " I hope my anolagy is a result of good comprehension of your message " . You have not shown any evidence of having even read my original message : analysis of AF447 crash. I fear you are drifting away from the main topic. If you are interested in discussing the usefulness or lack of usefulness of postmortems, you should start a new topic titled " efficacy of postmortems " . Please do not bury the main topic under your new issue " efficacy of postmortems " , it is tantamount to diversion of the issue. It took me hours to write this analysis. Let those interested in understanding this tragedy discuss it. If you find my analysis wrong, give your own analysis, if you have any. Why divert a topic ? Most of my time in fora is wasted due to similar problems, which often makes me think whether I should remain in these fora or not. Please try to understand me. I am not accusing you, I seek cooperation in streamlining these fora as far as relevance of postings to topics are concerned. -VJ ________________________________ pkssk <pkssk Friday, June 5, 2009 1:45:50 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Again 1 point missed out here.. is.. The doctor predicts/diagonises what is the problem with the patient when **the patient visits the doctor and ask him what is my problem**. Just because my neighbour passed away, I cannot blame the doctor communitity because he has not seen a doctor about his problem. And then when a doctor does postmortem.. I won't tell him he is bad doctor, because he is doing postmortem. I hope my anolagy is a result of good comprehension of your message. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Krishna ji, I am not going on a tangent. What you miss is that this topic is about AF447 tragedy, and if my analysis is wrong, put forth your own analysis. But please do not kill the topic, which you are unintentionally doing. Without post-event analysis, no branch of knowledge can progress. I also publish my forecasts on internet. You will find my 3 year old forecasts at my weatherindia website, which you can check with reference to official data. On another website, you will find my rain forecasts verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters at GSFC (http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s_Report%3B_%26_my_Paper_accepted_b\ y_CAOS%2C_IISc). Why you target me for NOT publishing any predictions ? You will understand my dismay if you count the number of responses to this analysis of AF447 : you will find that only one resonse was about my article, and all others discussed another issue : " efficacy of post-mortems " , which ought to have been discussed under a new thread, and even that solo relevant response was from a novice who did not know the basics of chart reading. This is how hours of painstaking works are wasted by careless responses by some members, who do not know that one should respond according to the topic, and only whem there is something worth mentioning. Many astrologers have already left open fora, and I am also thinking what I should do, because those who do not want to discuss the issue raised in a topic charge me to be on the tangent. I am not accusing anyone, I am merely reporting the Crash of My Article about AF447 in the vast ocean of an open forum. -Vinay Jha ================= ===== You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability.. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:48 AM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability.. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. Hope I am clear this time. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 4:10:54 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, Even today, it is only a guess that lightning was a cause. Debris was found much after my analysis was posted. When some members were told that my rain predictions were verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, and CAOS, IISc (Bangalore) accepted my scientific paper on rain forecaatng, I was declared a " fraud " in many forums by a small team without any proof against me ! NASA and IISc are well known institutions and anyone could check whether I was a liar or not. But mutual jealousy often blinds some " astrologers " . They were only a handful, but determined to " finish " me (their leader even used the word " kill " ). There must be something special either in me or in these special types of astrologers, who have least interest in reading my case studies and predictions, and are always trying to prove me wrong, without reading me. You are not a part of this team. But I fail to understand why you are determined to post irrellevant messages in this thread if you do not want to read or discuss the case study posted by me. If you want only predictions and no case studies, first prove your own mettle before testing mine (please take it as a friendly proposition) . If you succeeed in making one good prediction, I will do ten. Let us compete. OK ? Let us start with impending Indian monsoos. Predict the areas and timings of hazards related to monsoons. It is a useful excercize which will benefit not only astrologers but everyone. I have started posting my forecasts. Let us bury this thread and forget the 228 dead, because you are determined not to allow any discussion on a post-event analysis, and let us show our mettle in prediction as you want. I was told that if I do not send case studies, I should not remain a member of astrological fora. And you are saying the opposite. Hence, I am forced to be more outspoken now, because I can never please everyone in these fora where members make contrary demands. -VJ ============ ===== ====== ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:30:00 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub.. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > @ . . com Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr.. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr.. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You are correct when you say that I should have changed the topic when I wanted to discuss the PROCESS and not the POSTMORTEM. I agree, that was a mistake. But, going by the same token, I wonder why you did not change the topic when you threw a challenge at me about competing with me to make predictions. That was nothing to do with the original thread either. That was the tangent I was talking about, though you deny going off on a tangent. I guess it is easy to preach. Thanks for giving the address of your website where you have posted your predictions. If you have got them right, it is good for you. I congratulate you on your success. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Friday, 5 June, 2009 12:40:22 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna ji, I am not going on a tangent. What you miss is that this topic is about AF447 tragedy, and if my analysis is wrong, put forth your own analysis. But please do not kill the topic, which you are unintentionally doing. Without post-event analysis, no branch of knowledge can progress. I also publish my forecasts on internet. You will find my 3 year old forecasts at my weatherindia website, which you can check with reference to official data. On another website, you will find my rain forecasts verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters at GSFC (http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc). Why you target me for NOT publishing any predictions ? You will understand my dismay if you count the number of responses to this analysis of AF447 : you will find that only one resonse was about my article, and all others discussed another issue : " efficacy of post-mortems " , which ought to have been discussed under a new thread, and even that solo relevant response was from a novice who did not know the basics of chart reading. This is how hours of painstaking works are wasted by careless responses by some members, who do not know that one should respond according to the topic, and only whem there is something worth mentioning. Many astrologers have already left open fora, and I am also thinking what I should do, because those who do not want to discuss the issue raised in a topic charge me to be on the tangent. I am not accusing anyone, I am merely reporting the Crash of My Article about AF447 in the vast ocean of an open forum. -Vinay Jha ============ ===== ===== You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability.. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:48 AM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability.. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. Hope I am clear this time. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 4:10:54 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, Even today, it is only a guess that lightning was a cause. Debris was found much after my analysis was posted. When some members were told that my rain predictions were verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, and CAOS, IISc (Bangalore) accepted my scientific paper on rain forecaatng, I was declared a " fraud " in many forums by a small team without any proof against me ! NASA and IISc are well known institutions and anyone could check whether I was a liar or not. But mutual jealousy often blinds some " astrologers " . They were only a handful, but determined to " finish " me (their leader even used the word " kill " ). There must be something special either in me or in these special types of astrologers, who have least interest in reading my case studies and predictions, and are always trying to prove me wrong, without reading me. You are not a part of this team. But I fail to understand why you are determined to post irrellevant messages in this thread if you do not want to read or discuss the case study posted by me. If you want only predictions and no case studies, first prove your own mettle before testing mine (please take it as a friendly proposition) . If you succeeed in making one good prediction, I will do ten. Let us compete. OK ? Let us start with impending Indian monsoos. Predict the areas and timings of hazards related to monsoons. It is a useful excercize which will benefit not only astrologers but everyone. I have started posting my forecasts. Let us bury this thread and forget the 228 dead, because you are determined not to allow any discussion on a post-event analysis, and let us show our mettle in prediction as you want. I was told that if I do not send case studies, I should not remain a member of astrological fora. And you are saying the opposite. Hence, I am forced to be more outspoken now, because I can never please everyone in these fora where members make contrary demands. -VJ ============ ===== ====== ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:30:00 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub.. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > @ . . com Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr.. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr.. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Now you see the point that a topic should be discussed according to its issue, I have no complaint. I retract my words because " challenge " is not a good word. I believe perhaps no one will discuss this thread, in spite of 228 deaths. It is better to close this whole thread. VJ ==================== ========= ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Friday, June 5, 2009 1:42:04 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You are correct when you say that I should have changed the topic when I wanted to discuss the PROCESS and not the POSTMORTEM. I agree, that was a mistake. But, going by the same token, I wonder why you did not change the topic when you threw a challenge at me about competing with me to make predictions. That was nothing to do with the original thread either. That was the tangent I was talking about, though you deny going off on a tangent. I guess it is easy to preach. Thanks for giving the address of your website where you have posted your predictions. If you have got them right, it is good for you. I congratulate you on your success. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Friday, 5 June, 2009 12:40:22 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna ji, I am not going on a tangent. What you miss is that this topic is about AF447 tragedy, and if my analysis is wrong, put forth your own analysis. But please do not kill the topic, which you are unintentionally doing. Without post-event analysis, no branch of knowledge can progress. I also publish my forecasts on internet. You will find my 3 year old forecasts at my weatherindia website, which you can check with reference to official data. On another website, you will find my rain forecasts verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters at GSFC (http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc). Why you target me for NOT publishing any predictions ? You will understand my dismay if you count the number of responses to this analysis of AF447 : you will find that only one resonse was about my article, and all others discussed another issue : " efficacy of post-mortems " , which ought to have been discussed under a new thread, and even that solo relevant response was from a novice who did not know the basics of chart reading. This is how hours of painstaking works are wasted by careless responses by some members, who do not know that one should respond according to the topic, and only whem there is something worth mentioning. Many astrologers have already left open fora, and I am also thinking what I should do, because those who do not want to discuss the issue raised in a topic charge me to be on the tangent. I am not accusing anyone, I am merely reporting the Crash of My Article about AF447 in the vast ocean of an open forum. -Vinay Jha ============ ===== ===== You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability.. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:48 AM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You have still not understood what I am trying to say! You seem to be going on a tangent. While I am talking about the PROCESS of learning in astrology you are talking about INDIVIDUALS capability. Both are different issues. I am not interested in what you are talking. I clearly know that I am very junior in this field as compared to most of you here.. Hence, I don't have any intention of challenging anyone's capability.. I am not interested to assess how good YOU are or any other individual is in astrology. I mentioned that the better way to learn (for all those who are still learning like me) is to first try and make a prediction and do a post mortem when the prediction fails. If what I am saying is not applicable to you please ignore. Please don't go on a tangent again picking up some other irrelevant issue. Hope I am clear this time. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 4:10:54 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, Even today, it is only a guess that lightning was a cause. Debris was found much after my analysis was posted. When some members were told that my rain predictions were verified by Climate branch of NASA headquarters, and CAOS, IISc (Bangalore) accepted my scientific paper on rain forecaatng, I was declared a " fraud " in many forums by a small team without any proof against me ! NASA and IISc are well known institutions and anyone could check whether I was a liar or not. But mutual jealousy often blinds some " astrologers " . They were only a handful, but determined to " finish " me (their leader even used the word " kill " ). There must be something special either in me or in these special types of astrologers, who have least interest in reading my case studies and predictions, and are always trying to prove me wrong, without reading me. You are not a part of this team. But I fail to understand why you are determined to post irrellevant messages in this thread if you do not want to read or discuss the case study posted by me. If you want only predictions and no case studies, first prove your own mettle before testing mine (please take it as a friendly proposition) . If you succeeed in making one good prediction, I will do ten. Let us compete. OK ? Let us start with impending Indian monsoos. Predict the areas and timings of hazards related to monsoons. It is a useful excercize which will benefit not only astrologers but everyone. I have started posting my forecasts. Let us bury this thread and forget the 228 dead, because you are determined not to allow any discussion on a post-event analysis, and let us show our mettle in prediction as you want. I was told that if I do not send case studies, I should not remain a member of astrological fora. And you are saying the opposite. Hence, I am forced to be more outspoken now, because I can never please everyone in these fora where members make contrary demands. -VJ ============ ===== ====== ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:30:00 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, You seem to have ignored the spirit of my statement. Please read it again. I am not throwing the baby with the bath tub.. On the contrary, I am saying that be more careful with the baby. Now, coming to your specific case of prediction (though until now I was not talking about your analysis or prediction): Within a few hours of the disaster it was strongly believed that the plane might have been hit by lightening and this would have happened over sea and in such a case it was very apparent that the chances of any survivors was very very bleak. Hence, any prediction about that will not be seen as an important prediction as common sense was enough to come to that conclusion, though you might have got it right using astrology. That is the reason people have not commented on your prediction. But, you as an astrologer who have made a prediction feel that people have turned a blind eye to your prediction. Please try to understand. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 3:04:43 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Krishna Ji, I have also seen examples of " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in many past case studies by many astrologers who are " able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today " . But we must not throw the baby with bathtub. Any experienced astrologer knows that no one can guarantee foolproof predictions of crashes due to two problems : confusion about methods, and too much of data to process. Scientists work in teams, astrologers are alone and do not even possess reliable data to work on. Krishna ji should have frankly discussed the " wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion " in my analysis, which I welcome, if such reactions are sincere and pertinent to the point. There are too many case studies in many fora and magazines. Has Krishna ji ever objected to them ever ? I am a software developer, having little time for wring case studies. I was compelled by many senior members to present case studies. And after wasting my time on case studies, I am told that case studies should not be posted. No software developer was ever treated in this way. It is unfair, to put it mildly. I have to add new modules in my astrological softwares. Case studies should be done by others, not by software developers. Software developers should not be dragged into useless controversies, endless discussions about history, mathematics, case studies, etc. I will fulfill the damand of Krishna Ji too, by posting predictions. When I posted this thread, nothing was known about casualties. I predicted : " There is hardly any chance of a single survival " . Now, has not this prediction come true ? But it was ignored. My future predictions will also be ignored. -VJ ============ ========= ===== ======= ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > @ . . com Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:25:37 PM Re: Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 Dear Raman Sir, I agree with you that postmortems are excellent tools for learning astrology. But, we tend to get lost in post-mortems and many times use wrong logic to arrive at a right conclusion because the event is known. That is the reason why an astrologer is able to justify any event using any system that is being practiced today. My reaction was more generic and not specific to the origin of this thread. In my opinion, we should try to come up with more and more predictions and when we fail sit and do a postmortem to see what went wrong. I feel this would be a better approach to learn. Again, this is a general statement and I am not commenting on any individual. I am only sharing my thoughts on the way we as a community work. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Raman Suprajarama <cru115 > Thursday, 4 June, 2009 10:32:09 AM Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 If I can add my 2 cents. I agree with your first line... That it is important for us to predict the events in advance... However, for students of Astrology, Post Morten analysis is an excellent learning. One practice that we have is to time and again peep into the future, say a period of 12-18 months and see if there are any major celestial combination. But I must admit that it becomes difficult to do it regularly - midst our busy schedules.. Best wishes, Raman Suprajarama Visit www.astrologicalmag azine.com , chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975@ ...> wrote: > > sorry to comment on this. But the actual real good astrologer is one > who predicts the event well in advance and try to caution the victim.. > Doing post mortem of the event is not that gr8 astrology that anybody > can do. > > --shekar.B > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software : > > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house, > > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd, > > > > 3) Ketu in 8th, > > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1) > > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation > > with malefic Sun. > > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too. > > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69% > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too > > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses. > > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival : > > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus) > > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon) > > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu) > > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu) > > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun) > > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury) > > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope. > > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points : > > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in > > airy naadi. > > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona. > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th, > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5 > > to 27 for the whole year). > > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis, > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well > > as reports. > > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra : > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha > > Pravesha chart in those regions. > > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news. > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash > > took place. > > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todo\ \ > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466> : > > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of > > Brazil. > > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone. > > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received. > > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. > > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical > > fault from the aircraft. > > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike. > > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " . > > > > Here are some names who were onboard ; > > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA) > > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America > > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin > > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin > > > > 5.) Dr.. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil) > > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr.. Chem) > > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager > > of OI Phone Company > > > > 8.) Deise Possamai > > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor. > > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer > > > > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831 > > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus > > Association - Italy > > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige - > > Italy > > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy > > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ========= == ====== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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