MENTALLY DERANGED PERSON - A CASE STUDY

March 28, 2008

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear peter ji

>

> U know there is 4 maargas ,sama ,dhana ,bheda ,dhanda

>

> Last one yr ,irrespectiv of not paying me even promised fees ,i was

> doing this wat u said ,i was trying inject good confidence tht also

> daily 2 hr basis

>

> Now u tell me what to do ,do u want me to do seva i will do .

>

> He wvwn asked me many times why u gurus talk like this ,we cant respect

> u ,and i always try to reason him and tryied to giv him good direction

> in life

>

> if u can make him good i hav no problem ,its upt to u ,i giv up and the

> last chance also expired .

>

> I am blved that dronacharya asked gurdakshina and he got with full

> respect ,But u see what i get

>

> Sunil nair exposed --a gr8 cheat and fraud is it not

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to some

people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude toward

me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

But what can I do?

And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy to

chant mantras long time, and another things.

That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is above

anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

So, you know what I tray say to you.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@> wrote:

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hari Om.

> >

> > Dear Sunil, I try to post massage but I failed. I don't know what is

> > wrong with forum, but I can not posting my reply to you, so I write

> > second time, I hope this one will be good.

> >

> > We all have own theory in analyzing the someone chart. You right,

> > maybe I failed in such analyzing. But I try to help someone with

> > constructive suggestions, how to solve own problem on the best way.

> >

> > I know that I must to look whole chart, but if I will be focusing only

> > on the negative aspect of nature, and bad samskaras, what I will be

> > doing in that case?

> >

> > If someone is bad toward me, ok. If someone saying to me that I m

> > stupid, ok, I m stupid. When someone tel me that my mother is bad

> > person, ok, i wish my mother that will be more adarmic in the future,

> > that is her karma, what can I do, nothing.

> >

> > But if we indulge in fight wit someone, nothing constructive never

> > born from this situation, only thing will be that someone will be

> > crying, that all what will be happened.

> >

> > I not saying that Lalit is saint, of course is not. But why not we

> > focus on the brighter side and in debating try to uplift someone

> > brighter nature. Why in debate we must uplifting someone darker nature

> > on the surface?

> >

> > When someone will attacking me on forum, ok. Everybody have his own

> > reasoning to attacking someone. But depends of us how will be reacting

> > on that attack. It is not necessary that I must slap someone on the

> > face, haha.

> >

> > I don't have to engage in hard fight, why? That person will not kill

> > me, not someone in my family. If we don't have same opinion, ok. I

> > will have my opinion and he is have own opinion.

> >

> > When I tell Lalit that will be very good to him that he is engaged in

> > GuruBhakti and service to SataGuru, not Shiksha Guru. I must have to

> > tell him, if I see in his chart such thing. Depends on him karma of

> > course will be have Guru or not, but that is something in his chart

> > what is crucial in his life, on my opinion.

> >

> > Why he is born and past life, it is doesn't matter right now. But it

> > does matter how will be influence on someone karma with our actions.

> >

> > If we perceive that with someone don't have communication or normal

> > human interaction, ok.

> >

> > If a tell someone some negative aspect in his chart, than I must to

> > offer him something which will be of benefit in some particular

> situation.

> >

> > This things is not have anything with Jyotish, what I try to say to

> > you, but with other things.

> >

> > Why will be fight, silent is strong weapon, in some cases even

> > stronger than any other weapons.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > ashwini

> >

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji

> > >

> > > your observation is excellent ,

> > >

> > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in kendras

> ,Why

> > > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and 12th from

> > > them >is it is support??? a big block ???

> > >

> > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and

> > > panchanga effect

> > >

> > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the

> vimshottary

> > > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas .

> > >

> > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now foul

> > > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why dont his

> mind

> > > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained out of 30

> > > shekels he got by selling his guru ??

> > >

> > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other income

> > > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know if u want

> i

> > > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs in canada

> who

> > > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote abt him

> in

> > > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the cost of

> > > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life and

> others

> > > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he demands .

> > >

> > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart .

> > >

> > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get a sad

> guru

> > > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop services

> then

> > > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant pay for

> the

> > > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is going

> for

> > > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ?

> > >

> > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as mother

> died

> > > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole world as

> upay

> > > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or every one

> has

> > > to pay for the deeds ??

> > >

> > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he stumble

> upon

> > > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an asura

> who

> > > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who come out

> with

> > > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own

> personal

> > > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u r frauds

> ,is

> > > it not ??

> > >

> > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he

> demanded

> > > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ??

> > >

> > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole

> > >

> > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his

> > > explanation

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look

> at

> > > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava,

> > > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is

> not

> > > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have

> > > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons.

> > > >

> > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in

> > > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is

> > > > excellent it is not objective.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > ashwini

> > >

> > > Hari Om,

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must

> > > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course.

> > >

> > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have

> > > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house

> > > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru.

> > >

> > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes.

> > > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad

> > > karakatvas from him.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > ashwini

> > >

March 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear aswini ji

Oh sorry for hearing this ,How can they do like this .This is very

bad trend .

cant blv it after doing vaidik karmas some cant pay to the preist .

sorry pls ,forgiv me any way i hurt u

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote:

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to some

people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude toward

me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

But what can I do?

And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy to

chant mantras long time, and another things.

That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is above

anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

So, you know what I tray say to you.

Best regards,

ashwini

March 28, 2008

Dear Ashwiniji,

Forgive me, I am a bit confused about

your identity.

You are " Ashwinikumar " or " Peter " ?

A Catholic or a Hindu ?

Though ultimately I know you to be

a good man with good thoughts and

views,

but all the same, I am confused.

Will You please clarify,

and set this at rest.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Petar " <ashwinikumaras

wrote:

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear peter ji

> >

> > U know there is 4 maargas ,sama ,dhana ,bheda ,dhanda

> >

> > Last one yr ,irrespectiv of not paying me even promised fees ,i

was

> > doing this wat u said ,i was trying inject good confidence tht

also

> > daily 2 hr basis

> >

> > Now u tell me what to do ,do u want me to do seva i will do .

> >

> > He wvwn asked me many times why u gurus talk like this ,we cant

respect

> > u ,and i always try to reason him and tryied to giv him good

direction

> > in life

> >

> > if u can make him good i hav no problem ,its upt to u ,i giv up

and the

> > last chance also expired .

> >

> > I am blved that dronacharya asked gurdakshina and he got with

full

> > respect ,But u see what i get

> >

> > Sunil nair exposed --a gr8 cheat and fraud is it not

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> Hari Om.

>

> Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to

some

> people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

> yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude

toward

> me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

> seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

>

> But what can I do?

>

> And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

> expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy

to

> chant mantras long time, and another things.

>

> That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is

above

> anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

>

> So, you know what I tray say to you.

>

> Best regards,

> ashwini

> >

> > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hari Om.

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil, I try to post massage but I failed. I don't know

what is

> > > wrong with forum, but I can not posting my reply to you, so I

write

> > > second time, I hope this one will be good.

> > >

> > > We all have own theory in analyzing the someone chart. You

right,

> > > maybe I failed in such analyzing. But I try to help someone

with

> > > constructive suggestions, how to solve own problem on the best

way.

> > >

> > > I know that I must to look whole chart, but if I will be

focusing only

> > > on the negative aspect of nature, and bad samskaras, what I

will be

> > > doing in that case?

> > >

> > > If someone is bad toward me, ok. If someone saying to me that

I m

> > > stupid, ok, I m stupid. When someone tel me that my mother is

bad

> > > person, ok, i wish my mother that will be more adarmic in the

future,

> > > that is her karma, what can I do, nothing.

> > >

> > > But if we indulge in fight wit someone, nothing constructive

never

> > > born from this situation, only thing will be that someone will

be

> > > crying, that all what will be happened.

> > >

> > > I not saying that Lalit is saint, of course is not. But why

not we

> > > focus on the brighter side and in debating try to uplift

someone

> > > brighter nature. Why in debate we must uplifting someone

darker nature

> > > on the surface?

> > >

> > > When someone will attacking me on forum, ok. Everybody have

his own

> > > reasoning to attacking someone. But depends of us how will be

reacting

> > > on that attack. It is not necessary that I must slap someone

on the

> > > face, haha.

> > >

> > > I don't have to engage in hard fight, why? That person will

not kill

> > > me, not someone in my family. If we don't have same opinion,

ok. I

> > > will have my opinion and he is have own opinion.

> > >

> > > When I tell Lalit that will be very good to him that he is

engaged in

> > > GuruBhakti and service to SataGuru, not Shiksha Guru. I must

have to

> > > tell him, if I see in his chart such thing. Depends on him

karma of

> > > course will be have Guru or not, but that is something in his

chart

> > > what is crucial in his life, on my opinion.

> > >

> > > Why he is born and past life, it is doesn't matter right now.

But it

> > > does matter how will be influence on someone karma with our

actions.

> > >

> > > If we perceive that with someone don't have communication or

normal

> > > human interaction, ok.

> > >

> > > If a tell someone some negative aspect in his chart, than I

must to

> > > offer him something which will be of benefit in some particular

> > situation.

> > >

> > > This things is not have anything with Jyotish, what I try to

say to

> > > you, but with other things.

> > >

> > > Why will be fight, silent is strong weapon, in some cases even

> > > stronger than any other weapons.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > ashwini

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > >

> > > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji

> > > >

> > > > your observation is excellent ,

> > > >

> > > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in

kendras

> > ,Why

> > > > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and

12th from

> > > > them >is it is support??? a big block ???

> > > >

> > > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and

> > > > panchanga effect

> > > >

> > > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the

> > vimshottary

> > > > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas .

> > > >

> > > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now

foul

> > > > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why

dont his

> > mind

> > > > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained

out of 30

> > > > shekels he got by selling his guru ??

> > > >

> > > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other

income

> > > > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know

if u want

> > i

> > > > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs

in canada

> > who

> > > > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote

abt him

> > in

> > > > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the

cost of

> > > > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life

and

> > others

> > > > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he

demands .

> > > >

> > > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart .

> > > >

> > > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get

a sad

> > guru

> > > > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop

services

> > then

> > > > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant

pay for

> > the

> > > > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is

going

> > for

> > > > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ?

> > > >

> > > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as

mother

> > died

> > > > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole

world as

> > upay

> > > > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or

every one

> > has

> > > > to pay for the deeds ??

> > > >

> > > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he

stumble

> > upon

> > > > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an

asura

> > who

> > > > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who

come out

> > with

> > > > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own

> > personal

> > > > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u

r frauds

> > ,is

> > > > it not ??

> > > >

> > > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he

> > demanded

> > > > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ??

> > > >

> > > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole

> > > >

> > > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his

> > > > explanation

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > >

> > > > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own

chart. Look

> > at

> > > > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in

nine bhava,

> > > > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence,

it is

> > not

> > > > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil.

Nobody have

> > > > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not

only in

> > > > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart

which is

> > > > > excellent it is not objective.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > ashwini

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive

must

> > > > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course.

> > > >

> > > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you

have

> > > > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the

six house

> > > > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of

SataGuru.

> > > >

> > > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be

neutralizes.

> > > > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and

some bad

> > > > karakatvas from him.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > ashwini

> > > >

March 28, 2008

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear aswini ji

>

> Oh sorry for hearing this ,How can they do like this .This is very

> bad trend .

>

> cant blv it after doing vaidik karmas some cant pay to the preist .

>

> sorry pls ,forgiv me any way i hurt u

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil, I m not a priest. I learn yagyas, but I m not a priest,

but I like to help people with that Vedic sciences, but sometimes

dakshina is necessary.

But I don't need to tell you what is happening with that persons. So

everybody pay for own actions especially in such things.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@> wrote:

> Hari Om.

>

> Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to some

> people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

> yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude toward

> me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

> seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

>

> But what can I do?

>

> And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

> expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy to

> chant mantras long time, and another things.

>

> That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is above

> anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

>

> So, you know what I tray say to you.

>

> Best regards,

> ashwini

>

March 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear ashwini ji

Yes all sastras says we must pay dakshina ,and make the the person

happy after u used his services .

whether its astro ,or chants and yagya or even treatemnt for disease

and also tradition demands respect and contribute to them on special

ocaccsions like deepa vali and other festiv days .

Now new generation treating dakshina means as if they r giving us some

thing like a charity

yes no doubt those persons will suffer .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote:

>

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear aswini ji

> >

> > Oh sorry for hearing this ,How can they do like this .This is very

> > bad trend .

> >

> > cant blv it after doing vaidik karmas some cant pay to the preist .

> >

> > sorry pls ,forgiv me any way i hurt u

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> Hari Om.

>

> Dear Sunil, I m not a priest. I learn yagyas, but I m not a priest,

> but I like to help people with that Vedic sciences, but sometimes

> dakshina is necessary.

>

> But I don't need to tell you what is happening with that persons. So

> everybody pay for own actions especially in such things.

>

> Best regards,

> ashwini

> >

> > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

wrote:

> > Hari Om.

> >

> > Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to

some

> > people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

> > yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude

toward

> > me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

> > seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

> >

> > But what can I do?

> >

> > And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

> > expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy to

> > chant mantras long time, and another things.

> >

> > That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is

above

> > anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

> >

> > So, you know what I tray say to you.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > ashwini

> >

March 28, 2008

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ashwiniji,

>

> Forgive me, I am a bit confused about

> your identity.

> You are " Ashwinikumar " or " Peter " ?

> A Catholic or a Hindu ?

>

> Though ultimately I know you to be

> a good man with good thoughts and

> views,

> but all the same, I am confused.

>

> Will You please clarify,

> and set this at rest.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

Hari om.

Dear Bhaskar. I m not a Hindu. I m European, I live in Croatia, in

country of former country Yugoslavia.

I m Peter, but my nick is ashwinikumaras, because I love that

nakshatra, haha. When you click on my nick you will see my data.

But I m not catholic, I try to live to principles of Sanathana Dharma,

and I trying to promotes that universal religion in my country thru

media of internet because I believe that for humans this is only way

to live.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear peter ji

> > >

> > > U know there is 4 maargas ,sama ,dhana ,bheda ,dhanda

> > >

> > > Last one yr ,irrespectiv of not paying me even promised fees ,i

> was

> > > doing this wat u said ,i was trying inject good confidence tht

> also

> > > daily 2 hr basis

> > >

> > > Now u tell me what to do ,do u want me to do seva i will do .

> > >

> > > He wvwn asked me many times why u gurus talk like this ,we cant

> respect

> > > u ,and i always try to reason him and tryied to giv him good

> direction

> > > in life

> > >

> > > if u can make him good i hav no problem ,its upt to u ,i giv up

> and the

> > > last chance also expired .

> > >

> > > I am blved that dronacharya asked gurdakshina and he got with

> full

> > > respect ,But u see what i get

> > >

> > > Sunil nair exposed --a gr8 cheat and fraud is it not

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > Hari Om.

> >

> > Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to

> some

> > people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

> > yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude

> toward

> > me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

> > seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

> >

> > But what can I do?

> >

> > And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

> > expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy

> to

> > chant mantras long time, and another things.

> >

> > That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is

> above

> > anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

> >

> > So, you know what I tray say to you.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > ashwini

> > >

> > > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil, I try to post massage but I failed. I don't know

> what is

> > > > wrong with forum, but I can not posting my reply to you, so I

> write

> > > > second time, I hope this one will be good.

> > > >

> > > > We all have own theory in analyzing the someone chart. You

> right,

> > > > maybe I failed in such analyzing. But I try to help someone

> with

> > > > constructive suggestions, how to solve own problem on the best

> way.

> > > >

> > > > I know that I must to look whole chart, but if I will be

> focusing only

> > > > on the negative aspect of nature, and bad samskaras, what I

> will be

> > > > doing in that case?

> > > >

> > > > If someone is bad toward me, ok. If someone saying to me that

> I m

> > > > stupid, ok, I m stupid. When someone tel me that my mother is

> bad

> > > > person, ok, i wish my mother that will be more adarmic in the

> future,

> > > > that is her karma, what can I do, nothing.

> > > >

> > > > But if we indulge in fight wit someone, nothing constructive

> never

> > > > born from this situation, only thing will be that someone will

> be

> > > > crying, that all what will be happened.

> > > >

> > > > I not saying that Lalit is saint, of course is not. But why

> not we

> > > > focus on the brighter side and in debating try to uplift

> someone

> > > > brighter nature. Why in debate we must uplifting someone

> darker nature

> > > > on the surface?

> > > >

> > > > When someone will attacking me on forum, ok. Everybody have

> his own

> > > > reasoning to attacking someone. But depends of us how will be

> reacting

> > > > on that attack. It is not necessary that I must slap someone

> on the

> > > > face, haha.

> > > >

> > > > I don't have to engage in hard fight, why? That person will

> not kill

> > > > me, not someone in my family. If we don't have same opinion,

> ok. I

> > > > will have my opinion and he is have own opinion.

> > > >

> > > > When I tell Lalit that will be very good to him that he is

> engaged in

> > > > GuruBhakti and service to SataGuru, not Shiksha Guru. I must

> have to

> > > > tell him, if I see in his chart such thing. Depends on him

> karma of

> > > > course will be have Guru or not, but that is something in his

> chart

> > > > what is crucial in his life, on my opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Why he is born and past life, it is doesn't matter right now.

> But it

> > > > does matter how will be influence on someone karma with our

> actions.

> > > >

> > > > If we perceive that with someone don't have communication or

> normal

> > > > human interaction, ok.

> > > >

> > > > If a tell someone some negative aspect in his chart, than I

> must to

> > > > offer him something which will be of benefit in some particular

> > > situation.

> > > >

> > > > This things is not have anything with Jyotish, what I try to

> say to

> > > > you, but with other things.

> > > >

> > > > Why will be fight, silent is strong weapon, in some cases even

> > > > stronger than any other weapons.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > ashwini

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji

> > > > >

> > > > > your observation is excellent ,

> > > > >

> > > > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in

> kendras

> > > ,Why

> > > > > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and

> 12th from

> > > > > them >is it is support??? a big block ???

> > > > >

> > > > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and

> > > > > panchanga effect

> > > > >

> > > > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the

> > > vimshottary

> > > > > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas .

> > > > >

> > > > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now

> foul

> > > > > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why

> dont his

> > > mind

> > > > > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained

> out of 30

> > > > > shekels he got by selling his guru ??

> > > > >

> > > > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other

> income

> > > > > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know

> if u want

> > > i

> > > > > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs

> in canada

> > > who

> > > > > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote

> abt him

> > > in

> > > > > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the

> cost of

> > > > > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life

> and

> > > others

> > > > > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he

> demands .

> > > > >

> > > > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get

> a sad

> > > guru

> > > > > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop

> services

> > > then

> > > > > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant

> pay for

> > > the

> > > > > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is

> going

> > > for

> > > > > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as

> mother

> > > died

> > > > > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole

> world as

> > > upay

> > > > > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or

> every one

> > > has

> > > > > to pay for the deeds ??

> > > > >

> > > > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he

> stumble

> > > upon

> > > > > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an

> asura

> > > who

> > > > > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who

> come out

> > > with

> > > > > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own

> > > personal

> > > > > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u

> r frauds

> > > ,is

> > > > > it not ??

> > > > >

> > > > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he

> > > demanded

> > > > > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ??

> > > > >

> > > > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole

> > > > >

> > > > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his

> > > > > explanation

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own

> chart. Look

> > > at

> > > > > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in

> nine bhava,

> > > > > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence,

> it is

> > > not

> > > > > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil.

> Nobody have

> > > > > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not

> only in

> > > > > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart

> which is

> > > > > > excellent it is not objective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > ashwini

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive

> must

> > > > > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course.

> > > > >

> > > > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you

> have

> > > > > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the

> six house

> > > > > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of

> SataGuru.

> > > > >

> > > > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be

> neutralizes.

> > > > > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and

> some bad

> > > > > karakatvas from him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > ashwini

> > > > >

March 28, 2008

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear ashwini ji

>

> Yes all sastras says we must pay dakshina ,and make the the person

> happy after u used his services .

>

> whether its astro ,or chants and yagya or even treatemnt for disease

> and also tradition demands respect and contribute to them on special

> ocaccsions like deepa vali and other festiv days .

>

> Now new generation treating dakshina means as if they r giving us some

> thing like a charity

>

> yes no doubt those persons will suffer .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil, only problem is that we live in Kali yuga, so almost every

principle of Sanathana Dharma is degraded. In my case I have not such

good karma to be born in Bharata, but principles is the same for every

human.

My lord of fifth and eight bhava is in nine bhava, so you know that I

try to live to principles not from my country and tradition.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@> wrote:

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear aswini ji

> > >

> > > Oh sorry for hearing this ,How can they do like this .This is very

> > > bad trend .

> > >

> > > cant blv it after doing vaidik karmas some cant pay to the preist .

> > >

> > > sorry pls ,forgiv me any way i hurt u

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > Hari Om.

> >

> > Dear Sunil, I m not a priest. I learn yagyas, but I m not a priest,

> > but I like to help people with that Vedic sciences, but sometimes

> > dakshina is necessary.

> >

> > But I don't need to tell you what is happening with that persons. So

> > everybody pay for own actions especially in such things.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > ashwini

> > >

> > > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> wrote:

> > > Hari Om.

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil That what you tell is bad, of course. Trust me, me to

> some

> > > people have cheated me. And I was not doing jyotish, I was doing

> > > yagyas for health mater's, etc. But person is have no gratitude

> toward

> > > me. He don't pay me anything. When yo do yagyas this not just you

> > > seating. This is sometimes very hard to doing.

> > >

> > > But what can I do?

> > >

> > > And I have right to be angry to that person, because I was have

> > > expenses for that yagyas, my time, my effort, etc. It is not easy to

> > > chant mantras long time, and another things.

> > >

> > > That person will pay for that, I m sure in that. Low of karma is

> above

> > > anybody. Even Lord Krisna is not being immune for that low.

> > >

> > > So, you know what I tray say to you.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > ashwini

> > >

March 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear aswini ji

yes kali yuga is showing it colors in full ,and ppl will lil success

thinks there is nothing can stop them ,but when it realy hit them no one

in world can cure it

connection between 5thand 8th in 9th is good ,its also good for uplift

ment of soul ,But u may hav to suffer during the dasa antara of 8th Lord

,rest depnds on chart and status of the lord s .

ur mail abt jup in gandantha and aries ,the advantage is its vargottam

and may be vargottam in differnt varga charts too ,but we hav to see

what its indicating ,because its power ful to do good .if its in beging

degrees its worst may be ,as alsmost near the gandanta zone and also

atibalaya vasta (meaning exteme child )

u try to see ketu and also in the chart as its nakshtra dispositor of

jup

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote:

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil, only problem is that we live in Kali yuga, so almost every

principle of Sanathana Dharma is degraded. In my case I have not such

good karma to be born in Bharata, but principles is the same for every

human.

My lord of fifth and eight bhava is in nine bhava, so you know that I

try to live to principles not from my country and tradition.

Best regards,

ashwini

March 29, 2008

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear aswini ji

>

> yes kali yuga is showing it colors in full ,and ppl will lil success

> thinks there is nothing can stop them ,but when it realy hit them no one

> in world can cure it

>

> connection between 5thand 8th in 9th is good ,its also good for uplift

> ment of soul ,But u may hav to suffer during the dasa antara of 8th Lord

> ,rest depnds on chart and status of the lord s .

>

> ur mail abt jup in gandantha and aries ,the advantage is its vargottam

> and may be vargottam in differnt varga charts too ,but we hav to see

> what its indicating ,because its power ful to do good .if its in beging

> degrees its worst may be ,as alsmost near the gandanta zone and also

> atibalaya vasta (meaning exteme child )

>

> u try to see ketu and also in the chart as its nakshtra dispositor of

> jup

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is nowhere,

most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama principles. In my

country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for most

people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha. That is

real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan or work

of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all that is

writing.

My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17 degree

in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on 20.33 degree.

But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in lagna, in

dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in trimshamsa

in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times more is

vargotama.

I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in gandhata

and vargotama. I know some basically things.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@> wrote:

> Hari Om.

>

> Dear Sunil, only problem is that we live in Kali yuga, so almost every

> principle of Sanathana Dharma is degraded. In my case I have not such

> good karma to be born in Bharata, but principles is the same for every

> human.

>

> My lord of fifth and eight bhava is in nine bhava, so you know that I

> try to live to principles not from my country and tradition.

>

> Best regards,

> ashwini

>

March 29, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear ashwini ji

yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity within ,luck ,destiny

so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro 0 degree

but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results during

vimshottary dasa

again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need not

deeply influencing also .

jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm the darma u

r born but again dharmik

the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as whole ,other

influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s unfolding

etc etc

hope i answered some what ur question

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote:

Hari Om.

Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is nowhere,

most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama principles. In my

country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for most

people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha. That is

real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan or work

of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all that is

writing.

My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17 degree

in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on 20.33

degree.

But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in lagna, in

dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in trimshamsa

in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times more is

vargotama.

I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in gandhata

and vargotama. I know some basically things.

Best regards,

ashwini

March 29, 2008

Dear Sri Sunil, how can u co-relate gandanta with vargottam lagna,

seems u have temptations to post suggestinos anything without

pondering over what u r suggesting, will u give any reference from

any classics, from any jyotish shashtra that relates vargottam with

gandanta.

May God bless u,

Pt. Kedarnath.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear ashwini ji

>

> yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

>

> Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

>

> I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity

within ,luck ,destiny

>

> so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro 0

degree

>

> but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results

during

> vimshottary dasa

>

> again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need not

> deeply influencing also .

>

> jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

> significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm the

darma u

> r born but again dharmik

>

> the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as

whole ,other

> influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s

unfolding

> etc etc

>

> hope i answered some what ur question

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

wrote:

> Hari Om.

>

> Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is nowhere,

> most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama principles.

In my

> country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for

most

> people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha. That

is

> real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan or

work

> of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all that is

> writing.

>

> My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17

degree

> in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on 20.33

> degree.

>

> But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in lagna,

in

> dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in

trimshamsa

> in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times more

is

> vargotama.

>

> I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in

gandhata

> and vargotama. I know some basically things.

>

> Best regards,

> ashwini

March 29, 2008

new id business again ,read what i typed

, " pt.kedarnath " <pt.kedarnath

wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Sunil, how can u co-relate gandanta with vargottam lagna,

> seems u have temptations to post suggestinos anything without

> pondering over what u r suggesting, will u give any reference from

> any classics, from any jyotish shashtra that relates vargottam with

> gandanta.

>

> May God bless u,

> Pt. Kedarnath.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear ashwini ji

> >

> > yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

> >

> > Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

> >

> > I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity

> within ,luck ,destiny

> >

> > so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro 0

> degree

> >

> > but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results

> during

> > vimshottary dasa

> >

> > again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need not

> > deeply influencing also .

> >

> > jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

> > significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm the

> darma u

> > r born but again dharmik

> >

> > the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as

> whole ,other

> > influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s

> unfolding

> > etc etc

> >

> > hope i answered some what ur question

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> wrote:

> > Hari Om.

> >

> > Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is nowhere,

> > most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama principles.

> In my

> > country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for

> most

> > people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha. That

> is

> > real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan or

> work

> > of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all that is

> > writing.

> >

> > My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17

> degree

> > in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on 20.33

> > degree.

> >

> > But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in lagna,

> in

> > dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in

> trimshamsa

> > in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times more

> is

> > vargotama.

> >

> > I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in

> gandhata

> > and vargotama. I know some basically things.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > ashwini

> >

March 29, 2008

Dear Sri Sunil, dont cook up astrology in ur kitchen, refer to

classics and jot down diferrences between these two concepts, will

be good for u and for the rest.

for ur information, i do astrology for free, i dont do business of

id cards or business of astrology, ur irritation shows u lack

something.

may god bless u,

pt kedarnath.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> new id business again ,read what i typed

>

> , " pt.kedarnath " <pt.kedarnath@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Sunil, how can u co-relate gandanta with vargottam

lagna,

> > seems u have temptations to post suggestinos anything without

> > pondering over what u r suggesting, will u give any reference

from

> > any classics, from any jyotish shashtra that relates vargottam

with

> > gandanta.

> >

> > May God bless u,

> > Pt. Kedarnath.

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear ashwini ji

> > >

> > > yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

> > >

> > > Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

> > >

> > > I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity

> > within ,luck ,destiny

> > >

> > > so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro 0

> > degree

> > >

> > > but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results

> > during

> > > vimshottary dasa

> > >

> > > again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need

not

> > > deeply influencing also .

> > >

> > > jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

> > > significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm the

> > darma u

> > > r born but again dharmik

> > >

> > > the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as

> > whole ,other

> > > influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s

> > unfolding

> > > etc etc

> > >

> > > hope i answered some what ur question

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> > wrote:

> > > Hari Om.

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is

nowhere,

> > > most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama

principles.

> > In my

> > > country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for

> > most

> > > people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha.

That

> > is

> > > real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan

or

> > work

> > > of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all

that is

> > > writing.

> > >

> > > My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17

> > degree

> > > in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on

20.33

> > > degree.

> > >

> > > But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in

lagna,

> > in

> > > dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in

> > trimshamsa

> > > in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times

more

> > is

> > > vargotama.

> > >

> > > I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in

> > gandhata

> > > and vargotama. I know some basically things.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > ashwini

> > >

March 29, 2008

Thank u lait mishra

, " pt.kedarnath " <pt.kedarnath

wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Sunil, dont cook up astrology in ur kitchen, refer to

> classics and jot down diferrences between these two concepts, will

> be good for u and for the rest.

>

> for ur information, i do astrology for free, i dont do business of

> id cards or business of astrology, ur irritation shows u lack

> something.

>

> may god bless u,

> pt kedarnath.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > new id business again ,read what i typed

> >

> > , " pt.kedarnath " <pt.kedarnath@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Sunil, how can u co-relate gandanta with vargottam

> lagna,

> > > seems u have temptations to post suggestinos anything without

> > > pondering over what u r suggesting, will u give any reference

> from

> > > any classics, from any jyotish shashtra that relates vargottam

> with

> > > gandanta.

> > >

> > > May God bless u,

> > > Pt. Kedarnath.

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > >

> > > > dear ashwini ji

> > > >

> > > > yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

> > > >

> > > > Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

> > > >

> > > > I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity

> > > within ,luck ,destiny

> > > >

> > > > so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro 0

> > > degree

> > > >

> > > > but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results

> > > during

> > > > vimshottary dasa

> > > >

> > > > again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need

> not

> > > > deeply influencing also .

> > > >

> > > > jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

> > > > significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm the

> > > darma u

> > > > r born but again dharmik

> > > >

> > > > the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as

> > > whole ,other

> > > > influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s

> > > unfolding

> > > > etc etc

> > > >

> > > > hope i answered some what ur question

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hari Om.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is

> nowhere,

> > > > most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama

> principles.

> > > In my

> > > > country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma, for

> > > most

> > > > people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha.

> That

> > > is

> > > > real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan

> or

> > > work

> > > > of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all

> that is

> > > > writing.

> > > >

> > > > My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17

> > > degree

> > > > in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on

> 20.33

> > > > degree.

> > > >

> > > > But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in

> lagna,

> > > in

> > > > dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in

> > > trimshamsa

> > > > in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times

> more

> > > is

> > > > vargotama.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in

> > > gandhata

> > > > and vargotama. I know some basically things.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > ashwini

> > > >

March 29, 2008

Its happy to find a new avatar in free astrology

who dont know the diffrnce between what i said abt gandantha of planets

and rasis

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Thank u lait mishra

>

> , " pt.kedarnath " pt.kedarnath@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Sunil, dont cook up astrology in ur kitchen, refer to

> > classics and jot down diferrences between these two concepts, will

> > be good for u and for the rest.

> >

> > for ur information, i do astrology for free, i dont do business of

> > id cards or business of astrology, ur irritation shows u lack

> > something.

> >

> > may god bless u,

> > pt kedarnath.

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > new id business again ,read what i typed

> > >

> > > , " pt.kedarnath "

<pt.kedarnath@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Sunil, how can u co-relate gandanta with vargottam

> > lagna,

> > > > seems u have temptations to post suggestinos anything without

> > > > pondering over what u r suggesting, will u give any reference

> > from

> > > > any classics, from any jyotish shashtra that relates vargottam

> > with

> > > > gandanta.

> > > >

> > > > May God bless u,

> > > > Pt. Kedarnath.

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear ashwini ji

> > > > >

> > > > > yes let us hope the principle god ie truth prevail

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming to planet in vargottam and gandanth

> > > > >

> > > > > I think vargottam prevails as navmsa is devinity

> > > > within ,luck ,destiny

> > > > >

> > > > > so avasta ,infancy etc can b over looked as its safe away fro

0

> > > > degree

> > > > >

> > > > > but when planets with nodes ,u know node will giv the results

> > > > during

> > > > > vimshottary dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > again here there is a distance of so many navamsa s so it need

> > not

> > > > > deeply influencing also .

> > > > >

> > > > > jup with ketu its self is good for spirituality unless other

> > > > > significations also support ,like in ur case ur diffrnt frm

the

> > > > darma u

> > > > > r born but again dharmik

> > > > >

> > > > > the rest of the factors depends on so many things ,Chart as

> > > > whole ,other

> > > > > influences ,moon strnght ,lagna strength ,sun ,ASV ,the dasa s

> > > > unfolding

> > > > > etc etc

> > > > >

> > > > > hope i answered some what ur question

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hari Om.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil, try imagine Kali yuga in Europe. Principles is

> > nowhere,

> > > > > most of the people is never heard of yama and niyama

> > principles.

> > > > In my

> > > > > country we who try to live on the path of Sanathaha Dharma,

for

> > > > most

> > > > > people catholic we are doing devils thing, satan thing,haha.

> > That

> > > > is

> > > > > real Kali yuga, when principles of Lord is proclaim, of satan

> > or

> > > > work

> > > > > of devil,haha. But, this is reality and in the shastras all

> > that is

> > > > > writing.

> > > > >

> > > > > My lord of fifth and eight bhava is Guru in nine bhava on 2.17

> > > > degree

> > > > > in Ashwini, in conjunction with Ketu in Bharani nakshatra on

> > 20.33

> > > > > degree.

> > > > >

> > > > > But it is vargotama if count from navamsha: in navamsha in

> > lagna,

> > > > in

> > > > > dashamsa in nine bhava, in dwadashamasa in eight bhava,in

> > > > trimshamsa

> > > > > in lagna. If we count all vargas then in that case tree times

> > more

> > > > is

> > > > > vargotama.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know much about planet in gandhata and specially in

> > > > gandhata

> > > > > and vargotama. I know some basically things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > ashwini

> > > > >

March 29, 2008

Kedarnathji, good to know you practise astrology for free...kindly give

me your contact details so that those who want free consultancy can be

re-directed to you, so that you can improve your karma score.

My irritation is due to the foul smell emanating from your perspiration

As regrds to gandantha u read this post frm the memebr itself ,and

correct ur basics and understanding,dont think every thing is in

canaught place books ,some is in parampara and also experience and

tapasya of a person ,see truth is coming out

but the time u joined now and calimed who serv ppl free

/message/20620

</message/20620>

Regards,

Sunil Nair

, " pt.kedarnath " <pt.kedarnath

wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Sunil, dont cook up astrology in ur kitchen, refer to

> classics and jot down diferrences between these two concepts, will

> be good for u and for the rest.

>

> for ur information, i do astrology for free, i dont do business of

> id cards or business of astrology, ur irritation shows u lack

> something.

>

> may god bless u,

> pt kedarnath.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > new id business again ,read what i typed

> >

March 29, 2008

Dear Narshima Rao ji,

well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a good guide to

most of us in our life.

But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of him being

re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana etc.

WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this side as well,

from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge, experience.

and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take time and reply

now or later

but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious attack on Pt

R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for just asking

him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more of hate

loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like members as I have

not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be worth the risk,

we need some peace after all.

Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2 greats one who

was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself great that

was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it went beyond

the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the possible potential of

a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and forgive is

divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have cracked the

code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur readings.

BEst wishes

On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages.

> This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

>

> Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I

> realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on

> this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of.

> However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this

> chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

>

> In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very

> fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and

> hallucinations as mentioned below.

>

> Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects

> respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo).

> Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered

> and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is

> the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and

> throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

>

> This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top.

> It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter

> owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti

> as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa

> lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

> to the chart.

>

> I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible.

> It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility).

> Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th

> lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The

> placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by

> Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual

> pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are

> to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used

> to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are

> very important.

>

> Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for

> spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution,

> lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of

> devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is

> excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala

> yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences

> and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and

> visions.

>

> With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally

> deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual

> progress, mystical experiences and visions.

>

> Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is

> possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I

> honestly feel after looking at this chart.

>

> * * *

>

> Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple

> of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will

> give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

>

> You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus,

> Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in

> marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and

> praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the

> fast is recommended for relief.

>

> You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24

> (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a

> good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As

> you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime

> is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent

> a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish.

> Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that

> what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery

> of Parasara as I discover newer things.

>

> Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility

> and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You

> will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true

> humility.

>

> Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

> experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet

> keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual

> progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around

> touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that

> there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you

> develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do

> not stagnate where you are now.

>

> Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both

> Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots

> are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in

> Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart

> with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

>

> Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not

> Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars

> shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from

> you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I

> sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star

> in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You

> have it in you.

>

> * * *

>

> I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on

> some sentiments I observed here.

>

> If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the

> person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of

> singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite

> and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some

> aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it

> because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the

> resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some

> beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that

> *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more

> distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too

> and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type.

> Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the

> knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one

> has to play. No more and no less.

>

> If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other

> mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play

> and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean

> that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may

> master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa.

> Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone

> with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

>

> A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if

> they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or

> other so-called achievements.

>

> Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They

> have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and

> hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking

> and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of

> duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we

> should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of

> mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

>

> Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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> <%40>,

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Date of Birth

> > 17th August 1972

> > Time - 8.20pm

> > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > of the parameters required

> > to get inside the configurations which make

> > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> >

> > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > andother work to attend to.

> >

> > Moon -

> >

> > a) Debilitated.

> > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> >

> > What does it mean ? -

> > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > Would be depraved mentality.

> > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > due to.....

> > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> >

> > The 5th and 9th house

> >

> > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > in close conjunction.

> > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > 6th Lord.

> >

> > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> >

> > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > certain period of association with them,

> > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > with his own Gurus wife.

> > So he has done in the past births as

> > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> >

> > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> >

> > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> > house.

> >

> > Will just say this much today.....

> > A,m busy in other important work....

> > Will come with more inputs later......

> >

> > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > asytrological Forums.

> >

> > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > and mercury combined with neptune

> > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

>

April 3, 2008

Namaste Sir,

In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is misjudged by most

people. When he talks about his visions etc, I don't think it's all lies. He is

running the Chaturaseeti sama dasa of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord

in rasi chart. In vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects

lagna. He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More importantly, he

occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from Moon!). Stopping of

the mind is very important for effective sadhana and Chandropada is important.

Venus also occupies the arudha pada of the 8th house from Ketu (counted in

reverse), which is important for mystical experiences.

In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to many people you

may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his rash, childish and

headstrong public behavior on various lists on several occasions with what I am

saying and I expect many people to disagree with me. That's fine.

If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon, he can make

even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he is. His accumulated anger

works as an energy sink. But, until Venus dasa is over in 2016, the rajasik

image is likely to persist (rajasik Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of

Leo runs till 2018 and the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and

Mars in Leo. But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor,

rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue, especially after 2012

(Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208, drigdasa of Gemini is likely to

see him engaged in good spiritual karma in the society.

It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of Jyotish to settle

scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject. Misusing it to put down a rival

is a very bad karma. We should resist such temptations. I urge all astrologers

to look at Jyotish as a divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with

care, love and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Narshima Rao ji,

>

> well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a good guide to

> most of us in our life.

>

> But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of him being

> re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana etc.

> WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this side as well,

> from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge, experience.

>

> and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take time and reply

> now or later

>

> but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

>

> but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious attack on Pt

> R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for just asking

> him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more of hate

> loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

>

> I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like members as I have

> not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be worth the risk,

> we need some peace after all.

> Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2 greats one who

> was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself great that

> was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it went beyond

> the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

>

> I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the possible potential of

> a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and forgive is

> divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have cracked the

> code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur readings.

>

> BEst wishes

>

> On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages.

> > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

> >

> > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I

> > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on

> > this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of.

> > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this

> > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

> >

> > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very

> > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and

> > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> >

> > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects

> > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo).

> > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered

> > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is

> > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and

> > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> >

> > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top.

> > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter

> > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti

> > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa

> > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength

> > to the chart.

> >

> > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible.

> > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility).

> > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th

> > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The

> > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by

> > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual

> > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are

> > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used

> > to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are

> > very important.

> >

> > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for

> > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution,

> > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of

> > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is

> > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala

> > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences

> > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and

> > visions.

> >

> > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally

> > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual

> > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> >

> > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is

> > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I

> > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple

> > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will

> > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> >

> > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus,

> > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in

> > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and

> > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the

> > fast is recommended for relief.

> >

> > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24

> > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a

> > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As

> > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime

> > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent

> > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish.

> > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that

> > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery

> > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> >

> > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility

> > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You

> > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true

> > humility.

> >

> > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

> > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet

> > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual

> > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around

> > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that

> > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you

> > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do

> > not stagnate where you are now.

> >

> > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both

> > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots

> > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in

> > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart

> > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> >

> > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not

> > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars

> > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from

> > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I

> > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star

> > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You

> > have it in you.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on

> > some sentiments I observed here.

> >

> > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the

> > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of

> > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite

> > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some

> > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it

> > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the

> > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some

> > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that

> > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more

> > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too

> > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type.

> > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the

> > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one

> > has to play. No more and no less.

> >

> > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other

> > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play

> > and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean

> > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may

> > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa.

> > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone

> > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> >

> > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if

> > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or

> > other so-called achievements.

> >

> > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They

> > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and

> > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking

> > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of

> > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we

> > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of

> > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

> >

> > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

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> > -------------------------

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Date of Birth

> > > 17th August 1972

> > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > of the parameters required

> > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > >

> > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > andother work to attend to.

> > >

> > > Moon -

> > >

> > > a) Debilitated.

> > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > >

> > > What does it mean ? -

> > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > due to.....

> > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > >

> > > The 5th and 9th house

> > >

> > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > in close conjunction.

> > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > 6th Lord.

> > >

> > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > >

> > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > certain period of association with them,

> > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> > >

> > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > >

> > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > >

> > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > asytrological Forums.

> > >

> > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > >

> > > BHASKAR.

April 4, 2008

I must thank u for once and for all dear narasimha ,as u done a gr8

analsysis and again u r proved correct as even u dont need to check if

the birth time is correct or not .

so depending on New analysis we r going to keep our mouth shut and we r

accepting all the claims by Lalit

1) all saints and rishis he said is assholes only and they need to take

100 births to reach lalits calibre

2) he stopped rapes in delhi

3) he predicted tibet will be free and china will be democratic and

based on it if it happens after 100 yrs also its because of his sadhana

4) ppl of iraq is very happy because Lalit prayed for them and they shud

take their starvation and sufferring as a means to their moksha than

sadham period were every thing was available plenty

5) pakkistan will hav a woman PM next time ,but not happened and will

happen one day as he predicted and prayed for it and if it happened

after 100 yrs also take as spiritual strenght of lalit

6) accept reading frm astrologers and fianly ditch them when they ask

money shows another mental calibre of a spiritualy higher level peron

7) using soft ware report for predicting and acting as a astrologer is

also good show of his respect for rishis

8) but all rishis are below him as PVR certified and no matter what ever

u do u can become enlightned and so meet u in GB road delhi where lalit

is doing his sadhana and get his blessing for every thing u r facing .

9) all ladies and girls should forgiv him as he is a sdak with higher

level of consciousness and what ever advances frm his side is for ur

betterments

10) also all astrologers are requested to giv free advice till he rant

and rage on u and expose u as he is trikal jnani and he was simply

testing u --dont expect any thing monetary frm him as he is using his

sidhis for the benefit of man kind where as u r using ur study for

matching his charts with proposed or unproposed girls .

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is misjudged

by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I don't think it's

all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama dasa of Venus for 3 years.

Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In vimsamsa, he is the lord of a

powerful 6th house and aspects lagna. He is in mantra pada (A5) and

rajya pada (A10). More importantly, he occupies Chandropapada (arudha

pada of the 12th house from Moon!). Stopping of the mind is very

important for effective sadhana and Chandropada is important. Venus also

occupies the arudha pada of the 8th house from Ketu (counted in

reverse), which is important for mystical experiences.

>

> In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to many

people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his rash,

childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists on several

occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people to disagree

with me. That's fine.

>

> If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon, he

can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he is. His

accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus dasa is over

in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik Venus is in

arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and the angry

demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in Leo. But, despite

the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor, rich inner

spiritual experiences are likely to continue, especially after 2012

(Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208, drigdasa of Gemini is

likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma in the society.

>

> It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of Jyotish

to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject. Misusing it

to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should resist such

temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a divine

subject and approach each horoscope reading with care, love and devotion

rather than anger and hatred.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

April 4, 2008

Dear Narshima,

thanks for a detailed write up and as expected u have provided the necessary

info that makes him what he can become [if he controls his mind set, anger]

and I am happy that someone we know is likely to achieve much more than

anyone of us in spiritual and mystic areas and am sure his overall approach

to do good will help him evolve with time what he had in mind may be good

but the way it was done needed refinement in some of the wars he was in

ANd I agreee with ur last line too on astrologes need to avoid personal

animosity and work for the depth of the subject

THIS POINT IS PROVEN IN RAMAYANA and Mahabharata

in ramayana wehn Rama sends Andaha a to ravana to fix the Muhurtha for the

war with him

which surprised everyone in his camp asking a Rival when to be attacked....!

for which Sri Rama did say that what is not known of ravana is his great

knowledge and impartial judgement a verstile artist etc

and Ravana did give Angadha the time to start the war and it did happen as

the Yoga then was Satya Yuga

later in Dwapara Yiga when Duryodhana sent one of his brothers to Nakula to

find out when to start the Mahabharatha war Nakula did give a impartial

information

but Sri krishna did see to it that the war did not start in then and made it

different but here the point is how the knowledgeable are supposed to behave

and what is devine scheme will still happen

thanks once again for a good post

Best wishes

On 4/2/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is misjudged by

> most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I don't think it's all

> lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama dasa of Venus for 3 years. Venus

> is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th

> house and aspects lagna. He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10).

> More importantly, he occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house

> from Moon!). Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana

> and Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of the 8th

> house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for mystical

> experiences.

>

> In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to many people

> you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his rash, childish

> and headstrong public behavior on various lists on several occasions with

> what I am saying and I expect many people to disagree with me. That's fine.

>

> If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon, he can

> make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he is. His accumulated

> anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus dasa is over in 2016, the

> rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik Venus is in arudha lagna).

> Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and the angry demeanor is unlikely to

> change with Sun and Mars in Leo. But, despite the short-tempered and

> aggressive physical demeanor, rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to

> continue, especially after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In

> 2019-20208, drigdasa of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good

> spiritual karma in the society.

>

> It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of Jyotish to

> settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject. Misusing it to put

> down a rival is a very bad karma. We should resist such temptations. I urge

> all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a divine subject and approach each

> horoscope reading with care, love and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam>

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> -------------------------

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> >

> > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a good guide

> to

> > most of us in our life.

> >

> > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of him being

> > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana etc.

> > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this side as

> well,

> > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge, experience.

> >

> > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take time and

> reply

> > now or later

> >

> > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> >

> > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious attack on

> Pt

> > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for just

> asking

> > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more of hate

> > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> >

> > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like members as I

> have

> > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be worth the

> risk,

> > we need some peace after all.

> > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2 greats one

> who

> > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself great that

> > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it went

> beyond

> > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> >

> > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the possible

> potential of

> > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and forgive is

> > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have cracked

> the

> > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur readings.

> >

> > BEst wishes

> >

> > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages.

> > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

> > >

> > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data.

> I

> > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people

> on

> > > this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware

> of.

> > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on

> this

> > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

> > >

> > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very

> very

> > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement

> and

> > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > >

> > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

> aspects

> > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign

> (Leo).

> > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

> short-tempered

> > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also.

> D-30 is

> > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious

> plane and

> > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within

> one.

> > >

> > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the

> top.

> > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However,

> Jupiter

> > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi

> drishti

> > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also,

> navamsa

> > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic

> strength

> > > to the chart.

> > >

> > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> terrible.

> > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility).

> > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between

> 9th

> > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The

> > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by

> > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's

> spiritual

> > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words

> (padas) are

> > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the

> words used

> > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters,

> while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

> padas are

> > > very important.

> > >

> > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for

> > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> evolution,

> > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of

> > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is

> > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra

> Mangala

> > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult

> experiences

> > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and

> > > visions.

> > >

> > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> mentally

> > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual

> > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > >

> > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is

> > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating

> what I

> > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a

> couple

> > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I

> will

> > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > >

> > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

> Taurus,

> > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in

> > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on

> Fridays and

> > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking

> the

> > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > >

> > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24

> > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will

> become a

> > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great

> virtue. As

> > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one

> lifetime

> > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and

> spent

> > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching

> Jyotish.

> > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know

> that

> > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am

> not

> > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

> mastery

> > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > >

> > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> humility

> > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less

> arrogant. You

> > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true

> > > humility.

> > >

> > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

> > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress

> and yet

> > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your

> spiritual

> > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go

> around

> > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize

> that

> > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when

> you

> > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please

> do

> > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > >

> > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are

> both

> > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and

> idiots

> > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love

> Her in

> > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your

> heart

> > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > >

> > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and

> not

> > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal

> Mars

> > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is

> expected from

> > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I

> > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a

> star

> > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual

> seekers. You

> > > have it in you.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments

> on

> > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > >

> > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that

> the

> > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field

> of

> > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is

> infinite

> > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some

> > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may

> do it

> > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and

> given the

> > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role

> without

> > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly.

> Some

> > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and

> think that

> > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more

> > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those

> types too

> > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type.

> > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all

> the

> > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role

> one

> > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > >

> > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other

> > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role

> to play

> > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not

> mean

> > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One

> may

> > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of

> maayaa.

> > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not

> everyone

> > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of

> astrology.

> > >

> > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

> when/if

> > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis

> or

> > > other so-called achievements.

> > >

> > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety.

> They

> > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully

> killed and

> > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when

> walking

> > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field

> of

> > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we

> > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of

> course,

> > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of

> > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of

> maayaa.

> > >

> > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------

> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam>

> <http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam>

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> <http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> <http://www..org/>

> > > -------------------------

> > >

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Date of Birth

> > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > of the parameters required

> > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > >

> > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > >

> > > > Moon -

> > > >

> > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > due to.....

> > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > >

> > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > >

> > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > 6th Lord.

> > > >

> > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > >

> > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> > > >

> > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > >

> > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > >

> > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > >

> > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > BHASKAR.

>

April 4, 2008

Dear All Namaste

It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to judge the

spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

(Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and other

varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can surely be

applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get, moreorless

same results.

But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity, may

be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no body

in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should ensure

this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

certificate from another divine person is difficult to understand.

Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to accept,

although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult to

understand.

In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama dasa

of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects lagna.

He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More importantly, he

occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from Moon!).

Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of the

8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

mystical experiences.

>

> In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to many

people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his

rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists on

several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people to

disagree with me. That's fine.

>

> If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon,

he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he is.

His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus dasa

is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and

the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in Leo.

But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor,

rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue, especially

after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208, drigdasa

of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma in the

society.

>

> It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject.

Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should resist

such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care, love

and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> , " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> >

> > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a

good guide to

> > most of us in our life.

> >

> > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of

him being

> > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana etc.

> > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this

side as well,

> > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge, experience.

> >

> > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take time

and reply

> > now or later

> >

> > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> >

> > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious

attack on Pt

> > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for

just asking

> > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more of

hate

> > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> >

> > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like

members as I have

> > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be worth

the risk,

> > we need some peace after all.

> > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2

greats one who

> > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself

great that

> > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it

went beyond

> > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> >

> > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the possible

potential of

> > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and

forgive is

> > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have

cracked the

> > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur

readings.

> >

> > BEst wishes

> >

> > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

messages.

> > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

> > >

> > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on

this data. I

> > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some

people on

> > > this list and there may be some background to this that I am

unaware of.

> > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few

words on this

> > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

> > >

> > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may

be very very

> > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

derangement and

> > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > >

> > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and

4th aspects

> > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery

sign (Leo).

> > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

short-tempered

> > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30)

also. D-30 is

> > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-

conscious plane and

> > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives

within one.

> > >

> > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

the top.

> > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

However, Jupiter

> > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has

rasi drishti

> > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior.

Also, navamsa

> > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give

basic strength

> > > to the chart.

> > >

> > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

terrible.

> > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in

debility).

> > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange

between 9th

> > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual

progress. The

> > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna

owned by

> > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in

one's spiritual

> > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words

(padas) are

> > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible,

the words used

> > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

matters, while

> > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

Arudha padas are

> > > very important.

> > >

> > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

good for

> > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

evolution,

> > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord

of

> > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna.

That is

> > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

Chandra Mangala

> > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of

occult experiences

> > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

experiences and

> > > visions.

> > >

> > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

mentally

> > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

spiritual

> > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > >

> > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and

it is

> > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

stating what I

> > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

offer a couple

> > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from

me, I will

> > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > >

> > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna

in Taurus,

> > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

lord is in

> > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting

on Fridays and

> > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before

breaking the

> > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > >

> > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna

in D-24

> > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

will become a

> > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a

great virtue. As

> > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and

one lifetime

> > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years

back and spent

> > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching

Jyotish.

> > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I

do know that

> > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn.

I am not

> > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at

the mastery

> > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > >

> > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

humility

> > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less

arrogant. You

> > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop

true

> > > humility.

> > >

> > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

mystical

> > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

progress and yet

> > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep

your spiritual

> > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do

not go around

> > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

realize that

> > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only

when you

> > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and

please do

> > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > >

> > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

are both

> > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

people and idiots

> > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms.

Love Her in

> > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill

your heart

> > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > >

> > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

personality and not

> > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting

on natal Mars

> > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is

expected from

> > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of

it!). I

> > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature,

shine as a star

> > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual

seekers. You

> > > have it in you.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

comments on

> > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > >

> > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not

mean that the

> > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman

(field of

> > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

Maayaa) is infinite

> > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access

to some

> > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to,

She may do it

> > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play

and given the

> > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their

role without

> > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

calmly. Some

> > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously

and think that

> > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type

have more

> > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs

those types too

> > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the

latter type.

> > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is

that all the

> > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of

the role one

> > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > >

> > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

other

> > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a

role to play

> > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely

does not mean

> > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

correct. One may

> > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of

maayaa.

> > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa.

Not everyone

> > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of

astrology.

> > >

> > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject

them when/if

> > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her

siddhis or

> > > other so-called achievements.

> > >

> > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

entirety. They

> > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are

fully killed and

> > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even

when walking

> > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the

entire field of

> > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects.

But, we

> > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We

can, of course,

> > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various

kinds of

> > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

aspects of maayaa.

> > >

> > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------

> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/ho

mam>

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> > > -------------------------

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Date of Birth

> > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > of the parameters required

> > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > >

> > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > >

> > > > Moon -

> > > >

> > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > due to.....

> > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > >

> > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > >

> > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > 6th Lord.

> > > >

> > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > >

> > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> > > >

> > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > >

> > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the

9th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > >

> > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > >

> > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > BHASKAR.

>

April 4, 2008

Dear members,

I honestly feel that Mr. P.V. R. N. Rao has " erred " in his assessment

and giving a Astro_Divinity_Certificate to a member, whose behavior is

of public knowledge now. I am surprised how Mr. P.V.R.N. Rao has NOT

given such a lenient consideration to his own jyotish guru Mr. Sanjay

Rath, who taught him about 100 dashas, Nadi secrets..etc.. in a short

span of time. Truly his jyotish guru is entitled to this, but we never

come across any such Accidental Message in any group, as he chanced upon

in case of the banned member.

Astrology by notable persons, require some serious introspection.

Sincerely hope strong realization would one day dawn upon and the emails

posted in this group by such enlightened people would come and haunt

them as UNERASABLE memories.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar

wrote:

>

> Dear All Namaste

>

> It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to judge the

> spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and other

> varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can surely be

> applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get, moreorless

> same results.

>

> But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity, may

> be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no body

> in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should ensure

> this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> certificate from another divine person is difficult to understand.

> Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to accept,

> although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult to

> understand.

>

> In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

April 4, 2008

Dear NEW ID, [for old banned]

i AM SURE THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH pvn'S Writing on Lalit, this must be

also a part of a councelling effort by givng him inof that he has the

potential but if not used /chanellised will go waste the words that if he

can curb his ....

If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon, he can

make even more progress./....

is already said so if he wants to move up or down the ladder is his choice

and to accuse PVNji of marketing Lalit is too much, we don't have PVN's

range, depth of the subject must be acknowledged

and as I know u r just a KP USER SO VARGAS CAN'T BE understood or applied in

it

THERE R V GOOD WOORKS ON vARGAS ITS SIGNIFICANCE, ITS natre etc and he has

just said what he knows it is up to us to agree or disagree and time will

tell if Lalit moves up or not

I am writing this on my own inspite of facing some heat from lalit, in his

case it is just once instance, but your ID or leaning has tormented many

more people in the past 2 yrs and peace is a disposable syringe

astrology must remain objective and seeing it thru a tinted glass or

personal bias is not good for the subject and its users.

Best wishes

On 4/3/08, Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote:

>

> Dear All Namaste

>

> It is interesting to read, use of Astrological principle to judge the

> spiritual strength of a person. Every body has some divinity

> (Parashara says that Every Atma has HIS Amsha) so D-20,D-9 and other

> varga charts of a person must reflect that divinity element. The

> arguments put forward to justify Shri Lalit 's divinity can surely be

> applied on Shri Bhaskar's or Shri Nair's chart to get, moreorless

> same results.

>

> But, when this is used as a tool to show who has more divinity, may

> be divinity gets defeated! If Shri Lalit has more divinity, no body

> in the world can reject this(The divinity of Shri Lalit should ensure

> this!). But why divinity inside Shri Lalit wants to have a

> certificate from another divine person is difficult to understand.

> Moreover, Why divinity of one divine person wants public to accept,

> although implicitly, divinity of other person is again difficult to

> understand.

>

> In nutshell one should answer Can Astrology be used as means to

> certify Divinity of a person? Put in other way, Does Divinity

> requires certification from Astrology(or any other Shastra)?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> <%40>,

> " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sir,

> >

> > In my astrological judgment, Lalit's spiritual progress is

> misjudged by most people. When he talks about his visions etc, I

> don't think it's all lies. He is running the Chaturaseeti sama dasa

> of Venus for 3 years. Venus is the 8th lord in rasi chart. In

> vimsamsa, he is the lord of a powerful 6th house and aspects lagna.

> He is in mantra pada (A5) and rajya pada (A10). More importantly, he

> occupies Chandropapada (arudha pada of the 12th house from Moon!).

> Stopping of the mind is very important for effective sadhana and

> Chandropada is important. Venus also occupies the arudha pada of the

> 8th house from Ketu (counted in reverse), which is important for

> mystical experiences.

> >

> > In my judgment, Lalit is quite an advanced sadhaka compared to many

> people you may meet. Many people may not be able to reconcile his

> rash, childish and headstrong public behavior on various lists on

> several occasions with what I am saying and I expect many people to

> disagree with me. That's fine.

> >

> > If Lalit can control the powerful Martian aspect on lagna and Moon,

> he can make even more progress. Otherwise, he is stuck where he is.

> His accumulated anger works as an energy sink. But, until Venus dasa

> is over in 2016, the rajasik image is likely to persist (rajasik

> Venus is in arudha lagna). Narayana dasa of Leo runs till 2018 and

> the angry demeanor is unlikely to change with Sun and Mars in Leo.

> But, despite the short-tempered and aggressive physical demeanor,

> rich inner spiritual experiences are likely to continue, especially

> after 2012 (Vimsamsa Narayana dasa of Sag). In 2019-20208, drigdasa

> of Gemini is likely to see him engaged in good spiritual karma in the

> society.

> >

> > It was sad to see Lalit and others abusing their knowledge of

> Jyotish to settle scores with others. Jyotish is a divine subject.

> Misusing it to put down a rival is a very bad karma. We should resist

> such temptations. I urge all astrologers to look at Jyotish as a

> divine subject and approach each horoscope reading with care, love

> and devotion rather than anger and hatred.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam>

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/>

> > -------------------------

> >

> > <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narshima Rao ji,

> > >

> > > well I read your advice to Lalit it is very informative and a

> good guide to

> > > most of us in our life.

> > >

> > > But the readings on Lalit's We are not clear if u see signs of

> him being

> > > re-born like Valmiki, Pundalik, Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana etc.

> > > WE WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS/readings on this

> side as well,

> > > from you and sure respect your judgement, knowledge, experience.

> > >

> > > and this is not conditional that u r not as good if u take time

> and reply

> > > now or later

> > >

> > > but assuming it has such a potential we can welcome it

> > >

> > > but if this is not the case and what we saw him in his vicious

> attack on Pt

> > > R dakshinamurthy ji, Mohanram, Hariharan, Pt Arjun and me for

> just asking

> > > him to refrain from posting non astrological messages and more of

> hate

> > > loathed ones in VEDIC astrology ur own forum last yr

> > >

> > > I can't comment much on the exchanges now between two like

> members as I have

> > > not got in to the depth of their exchanges, may not not be worth

> the risk,

> > > we need some peace after all.

> > > Last yr members of Jyotosh remedies also saw a war between 2

> greats one who

> > > was always addressed great by a gang and other nameed himself

> great that

> > > was in such a low taste stopped reading them from the time it

> went beyond

> > > the 1st 2 mails one can tolerate.

> > >

> > > I hope to see ur post withe yogas and timing of on the possible

> potential of

> > > a turn around in Lalit's case as we know to err is human and

> forgive is

> > > divine, we r too small to judge almighty's game plan.if u have

> cracked the

> > > code in his case we surely will improve our skills through ur

> readings.

> > >

> > > BEst wishes

> > >

> > > On 3/27/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> messages.

> > > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

> > > >

> > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on

> this data. I

> > > > realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some

> people on

> > > > this list and there may be some background to this that I am

> unaware of.

> > > > However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few

> words on this

> > > > chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

> > > >

> > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may

> be very very

> > > > fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> derangement and

> > > > hallucinations as mentioned below.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and

> 4th aspects

> > > > respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery

> sign (Leo).

> > > > Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

> short-tempered

> > > > and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30)

> also. D-30 is

> > > > the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-

> conscious plane and

> > > > throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives

> within one.

> > > >

> > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

> the top.

> > > > It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> However, Jupiter

> > > > owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has

> rasi drishti

> > > > as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior.

> Also, navamsa

> > > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give

> basic strength

> > > > to the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> terrible.

> > > > It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in

> debility).

> > > > Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange

> between 9th

> > > > lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual

> progress. The

> > > > placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna

> owned by

> > > > Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in

> one's spiritual

> > > > pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words

> (padas) are

> > > > to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible,

> the words used

> > > > to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible

> matters, while

> > > > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them.

> Arudha padas are

> > > > very important.

> > > >

> > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is

> good for

> > > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> evolution,

> > > > lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord

> of

> > > > devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna.

> That is

> > > > excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

> Chandra Mangala

> > > > yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of

> occult experiences

> > > > and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

> experiences and

> > > > visions.

> > > >

> > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> mentally

> > > > deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> spiritual

> > > > progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and

> it is

> > > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> stating what I

> > > > honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to

> offer a couple

> > > > of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from

> me, I will

> > > > give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> > > >

> > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna

> in Taurus,

> > > > Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

> lord is in

> > > > marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting

> on Fridays and

> > > > praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before

> breaking the

> > > > fast is recommended for relief.

> > > >

> > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna

> in D-24

> > > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> will become a

> > > > good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a

> great virtue. As

> > > > you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and

> one lifetime

> > > > is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years

> back and spent

> > > > a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching

> Jyotish.

> > > > Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I

> do know that

> > > > what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn.

> I am not

> > > > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at

> the mastery

> > > > of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> > > >

> > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> humility

> > > > and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less

> arrogant. You

> > > > will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop

> true

> > > > humility.

> > > >

> > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> mystical

> > > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

> progress and yet

> > > > keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep

> your spiritual

> > > > progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do

> not go around

> > > > touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

> realize that

> > > > there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only

> when you

> > > > develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and

> please do

> > > > not stagnate where you are now.

> > > >

> > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

> are both

> > > > Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> people and idiots

> > > > are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms.

> Love Her in

> > > > Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill

> your heart

> > > > with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms.

> > > >

> > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your

> personality and not

> > > > Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting

> on natal Mars

> > > > shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is

> expected from

> > > > you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of

> it!). I

> > > > sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature,

> shine as a star

> > > > in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual

> seekers. You

> > > > have it in you.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> > > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> comments on

> > > > some sentiments I observed here.

> > > >

> > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not

> mean that the

> > > > person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman

> (field of

> > > > singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

> Maayaa) is infinite

> > > > and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access

> to some

> > > > aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to,

> She may do it

> > > > because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play

> and given the

> > > > resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their

> role without

> > > > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> calmly. Some

> > > > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously

> and think that

> > > > *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type

> have more

> > > > distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs

> those types too

> > > > and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the

> latter type.

> > > > Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is

> that all the

> > > > knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of

> the role one

> > > > has to play. No more and no less.

> > > >

> > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> other

> > > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a

> role to play

> > > > and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely

> does not mean

> > > > that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

> correct. One may

> > > > master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of

> maayaa.

> > > > Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa.

> Not everyone

> > > > with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of

> astrology.

> > > >

> > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject

> them when/if

> > > > they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her

> siddhis or

> > > > other so-called achievements.

> > > >

> > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> entirety. They

> > > > have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are

> fully killed and

> > > > hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even

> when walking

> > > > and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the

> entire field of

> > > > duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects.

> But, we

> > > > should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We

> can, of course,

> > > > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various

> kinds of

> > > > mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many

> aspects of maayaa.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

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> 40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Date of Birth

> > > > > 17th August 1972

> > > > > Time - 8.20pm

> > > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > > > > of the parameters required

> > > > > to get inside the configurations which make

> > > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > > > > andother work to attend to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Debilitated.

> > > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does it mean ? -

> > > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > > > > Would be depraved mentality.

> > > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > > > > due to.....

> > > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 5th and 9th house

> > > > >

> > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > > > > in close conjunction.

> > > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > > > > 6th Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> > > > >

> > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > > > > certain period of association with them,

> > > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > > > > with his own Gurus wife.

> > > > > So he has done in the past births as

> > > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > > > > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> > > > >

> > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the

> 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will just say this much today.....

> > > > > A,m busy in other important work....

> > > > > Will come with more inputs later......

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > > > > asytrological Forums.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > > > > and mercury combined with neptune

> > > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > BHASKAR.

> >

April 4, 2008

Dear Narasimhaji

Once again a most excellent, objective analysis. I admire your

ability to interpret a chart on the basis of the kundali alone, and

not be prompted by subjective parameters.

Every kundali has potential, good and bad. This notion of duality

must be kept in mind, particularly as Jyotishi, whose primary goal

should be that of upliftment through guidance relative to the

inherent strengths of a person.

I firmly believe that should there ever be established a professional

recognised body for Astrologers, the qualification for membership

should involve demonstrating soft skills such as counselling.

With best regards,

Maniv