MENTALLY DERANGED PERSON - A CASE STUDY

March 26, 2008

Date of Birth

17th August 1972

Time - 8.20pm

Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

Dear Members,

This is a interesting case for study and matches much

of the parameters required

to get inside the configurations which make

one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

andother work to attend to.

Moon -

a) Debilitated.

b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

What does it mean ? -

1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

Would be depraved mentality.

2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

people., given to drinking,eating and all types

of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

due to.....

5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

depressed nerves, licentious habits,

perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

entaglements with low company.self undoing.

All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

hallucinations would persist most of the time

and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

The 5th and 9th house

a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

in close conjunction.

f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

6th Lord.

The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

This manwould be a selfish natured and self

centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

for he would disrespct his gurus after a

certain period of association with them,

he would insult them and cause grief to them

thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

with his own Gurus wife.

So he has done in the past births as

the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

his perverted demand of Lusts.

he will have a problem with his own

father as seen from the 9th house.

Will come with more inputs later......

This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

and mercury combined with neptune

with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

BHASKAR.

www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

March 27, 2008

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji

Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study????

Regards

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Date of Birth

17th August 1972

Time - 8.20pm

Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

Dear Members,

This is a interesting case for study and matches much

of the parameters required

to get inside the configurations which make

one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

andother work to attend to.

Moon -

a) Debilitated.

b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

What does it mean ? -

1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

Would be depraved mentality.

2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

people., given to drinking,eating and all types

of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

due to.....

5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

depressed nerves, licentious habits,

perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

entaglements with low company.self undoing.

All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

hallucinations would persist most of the time

and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

The 5th and 9th house

a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

in close conjunction.

f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

6th Lord.

The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

This manwould be a selfish natured and self

centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

for he would disrespct his gurus after a

certain period of association with them,

he would insult them and cause grief to them

thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

with his own Gurus wife.

So he has done in the past births as

the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

his perverted demand of Lusts.

he will have a problem with his own

father as seen from the 9th house.

Will come with more inputs later......

This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

and mercury combined with neptune

with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

BHASKAR.

www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

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March 27, 2008

Dear Bhaskar,

I would also pass on the details of one person. Subject has similar

combination.

25 June 1978

Time 21:30 Hrs

Place Burnpur, Asansol (WB)

Also I would like to understand if the moon aspect (7th) by Saturn and mars

makes person suicidal as well?

Regards

Sandeep

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, sandeep khare <sandeep_khare2000

wrote:

> Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji

>

> Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study????

>

> Regards

>

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises <rajiventerprises%40hathway.com>>

> wrote:

> Date of Birth

> 17th August 1972

> Time - 8.20pm

> Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

>

> Dear Members,

> This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> of the parameters required

> to get inside the configurations which make

> one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

>

> Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> andother work to attend to.

>

> Moon -

>

> a) Debilitated.

> b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

>

> What does it mean ? -

> 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> Would be depraved mentality.

> 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> due to.....

> 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> hallucinations would persist most of the time

> and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

>

> The 5th and 9th house

>

> a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> in close conjunction.

> f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> 6th Lord.

>

> The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

>

> h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> certain period of association with them,

> he would insult them and cause grief to them

> thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> with his own Gurus wife.

> So he has done in the past births as

> the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

>

> Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> his perverted demand of Lusts.

>

> he will have a problem with his own

> father as seen from the 9th house.

>

> Will come with more inputs later......

>

> This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> and mercury combined with neptune

> with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

>

> BHASKAR.

> www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it

> now.

>

March 27, 2008

Dear Shri Sandeepji,

I know you to be a intelligent person

from the past exchanges.

This one you will have to figure

out for yourself,

I do not wish to open any controversies

on this Forum.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, sandeep khare

<sandeep_khare2000 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji

>

> Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study????

>

> Regards

>

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

> Date of Birth

> 17th August 1972

> Time - 8.20pm

> Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

>

> Dear Members,

> This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> of the parameters required

> to get inside the configurations which make

> one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

>

> Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> andother work to attend to.

>

> Moon -

>

> a) Debilitated.

> b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

>

> What does it mean ? -

> 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> Would be depraved mentality.

> 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> due to.....

> 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> hallucinations would persist most of the time

> and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

>

> The 5th and 9th house

>

> a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> in close conjunction.

> f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> 6th Lord.

>

> The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

>

> h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> certain period of association with them,

> he would insult them and cause grief to them

> thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> with his own Gurus wife.

> So he has done in the past births as

> the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

>

> Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> his perverted demand of Lusts.

>

> he will have a problem with his own

> father as seen from the 9th house.

>

> Will come with more inputs later......

>

> This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> and mercury combined with neptune

> with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

>

> BHASKAR.

> www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile. Try it now.

>

March 27, 2008

Dear Sandeepji,

Have to rush for work.

Will reply probably in the evening.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " s g " <sg.1000 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> I would also pass on the details of one person. Subject has similar

> combination.

>

> 25 June 1978

> Time 21:30 Hrs

> Place Burnpur, Asansol (WB)

>

> Also I would like to understand if the moon aspect (7th) by Saturn

and mars

> makes person suicidal as well?

>

> Regards

> Sandeep

>

> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, sandeep khare

<sandeep_khare2000

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study????

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises <rajiventerprises%40hathway.com>>

> > wrote:

> > Date of Birth

> > 17th August 1972

> > Time - 8.20pm

> > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > of the parameters required

> > to get inside the configurations which make

> > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> >

> > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > andother work to attend to.

> >

> > Moon -

> >

> > a) Debilitated.

> > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> >

> > What does it mean ? -

> > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > Would be depraved mentality.

> > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > due to.....

> > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> >

> > The 5th and 9th house

> >

> > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > in close conjunction.

> > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > 6th Lord.

> >

> > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> >

> > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > certain period of association with them,

> > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > with his own Gurus wife.

> > So he has done in the past births as

> > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> >

> > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> >

> > he will have a problem with his own

> > father as seen from the 9th house.

> >

> > Will come with more inputs later......

> >

> > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > and mercury combined with neptune

> > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

> > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

> >

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile. Try it

> > now.

> >

March 28, 2008

Namaste friends,

I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This

topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize

that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and

there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an

astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please

forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery

and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and

hallucinations as mentioned below.

Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects

respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such

Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and

haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart

that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light

on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It

shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns

lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as

3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is

exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is

actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is

debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th

lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9)

and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is

a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas

(houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings

are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show

intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to

them. Arudha padas are very important.

Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual

progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord

Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana

(9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of

mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis

given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally

deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress,

mystical experiences and visions.

Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible

that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel

after looking at this chart.

* * *

Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of

comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some

honest advice. Please bear with me.

You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus,

Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana

karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to

Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is

recommended for relief.

You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of

learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer

in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you

will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to

master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in

the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics

within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than

what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it

for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be

less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become

a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility.

Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet

keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual

progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around

touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is

much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where

you are now.

Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her

forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are

both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full

glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love

for Her and all of Her different forms.

Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha

Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down

this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please

live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you

overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

* * *

I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge.

These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I

observed here.

If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the

person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of

singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and

it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of

the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of

some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a

complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego,

take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing

things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before

becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one

belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is

Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less.

If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical

experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those

experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is

somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of

maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some

aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they

come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other

so-called achievements.

Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have

zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence

they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and

talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality

and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect

to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot

of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have

imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Spirituality:

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, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Date of Birth

> 17th August 1972

> Time - 8.20pm

> Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

>

> Dear Members,

> This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> of the parameters required

> to get inside the configurations which make

> one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

>

> Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> andother work to attend to.

>

> Moon -

>

> a) Debilitated.

> b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

>

> What does it mean ? -

> 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> Would be depraved mentality.

> 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> due to.....

> 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> hallucinations would persist most of the time

> and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

>

> The 5th and 9th house

>

> a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> in close conjunction.

> f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> 6th Lord.

>

> The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

>

> h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> certain period of association with them,

> he would insult them and cause grief to them

> thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> with his own Gurus wife.

> So he has done in the past births as

> the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

>

> Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> his perverted demand of Lusts.

>

> he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> house.

>

> Will just say this much today.....

> A,m busy in other important work....

> Will come with more inputs later......

>

> By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> asytrological Forums.

>

> This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> and mercury combined with neptune

> with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

>

> BHASKAR.

March 28, 2008

Shree Narsimha Rao ji,

You should enter any thread only when necessary,

to provide justice, but one sided justice does

not seem humane or ethical, on the

contrary senseless and smacks

of Upmanship. Did I ever try to show any superiority

over Your system in Your groups or anywhere else,

when i know I can predict well,through gods Grace,

then most of your shishyas.

No never.

By your post you have given more impetus to

the negative traits prevalent in this

person, and these will now surface more with

the misguided support you have given him.

Without knowing the matter one should not jump

in any thread. Do You think I cannot see any

positives in this persons chart ?

If there was not any positive then

how could he have born a human ?

Your defending a evil person at this

juncture does not show any richness in

your pyschologocal set-up.

Why not did you come in the thread to show the

positives when this person who chart is

discussed about by you,

spoke negatively on another chart ?

Where was your justice then ?

I do now wish to speak like this with you, but

unfortunately you people

sitting on elevated thrones given to

you by the foreigners, who have been your

students, has made you, unbearable of any other

person having the cake anywhere.

The Big Fish must eat the small fish,

this dictum,

is to be continued in Astrolgy too.

I can discuss very well on this chart on

many points which you have expressed,

and prove them not to be true, without

using Jamini system of copurse,

BUT it does not behove well,

to do so, infront

of a spiritually known

Master like Your goodself.

I have told you before too,

that an ounce of spiritual action,

is better than an Quintal of pravachans.

There are many points on which I disagree

with you, both

spiritually, astrologically,

and can debate,

but do not wish to be disrespectful to

a person who has given us " Jagannath Hora "

But You have spoiled this person further

with this mail of Yours.You have done harm

to spirituality,astrology

and other good humans with this

action on your part..

Let us see more of the predictive

side of your system

through your mails, by

helping few natives coming here

on the Forums,

rather than a character anaylsis

made by a VIP entering the assembly

once in a Blue Moon.

You have also commented on My Mars and Rahu

aspecting Lagna., and you have given advice

to the gentleman, not to have such type of

influence on himself . I am sorry

Shri narsimharaoji, You

should not have done so, you should not

have put your hand behind the back of a person

claiming to have Darshan of Ma and being a

spiritual Master,and also claiming to be a

know all in astrology,and treating elders with

disresopect.

You have behaved like Indra, who got scared

of his seat bing unsurped. Sir, I am small

fry anf no threat to you, Yes but I can predict

with Gods grace and do not live on character

analysis, I am and was never interested to

be a King ever,and always enjoy tobe among

the praja, and never to be a Raja.

Just for your assurance.

You have disappointed me with

this untruthful and wrong astrological

analsysis full of defects.

A re-run of the Jamini system ,

after removal of the additions made by you,

and the interpolations d

inardevntly, would make You

a better astrologer.

with respect and humble good wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

data.

>

> Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

some people on this list and there may be some background to this

that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I

want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do

not welcome my comments.

>

> In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

>

> Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes

him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in

trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that

operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

>

> This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on

lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in

9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

>

> I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada

(A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a

great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are

to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

(bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express

them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

padas are very important.

>

> Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good

for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation.

The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the

8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

>

> With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

>

> Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it

is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

>

> * * *

>

> Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer

a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

>

> You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end

of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

>

> You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in

D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility

is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this

subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I

learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the

last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I

know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

>

> Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace,

after you develop true humility.

>

> Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion

and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise

in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more

to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not

stagnate where you are now.

>

> Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are

both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and

short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of

Her different forms.

>

> Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality

and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality

for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart

(or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome

your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

>

> * * *

>

> I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

comments on some sentiments I observed here.

>

> If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean

that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also

known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If

She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other

people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason.

Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge

and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has

to play. No more and no less.

>

> If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has

a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It

absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever

he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be

clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over

some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

>

> A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

>

> Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it

works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds

of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects

of maayaa.

>

> Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Date of Birth

> > 17th August 1972

> > Time - 8.20pm

> > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > of the parameters required

> > to get inside the configurations which make

> > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> >

> > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > andother work to attend to.

> >

> > Moon -

> >

> > a) Debilitated.

> > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> >

> > What does it mean ? -

> > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > Would be depraved mentality.

> > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > due to.....

> > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> >

> > The 5th and 9th house

> >

> > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > in close conjunction.

> > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > 6th Lord.

> >

> > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> >

> > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > certain period of association with them,

> > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > with his own Gurus wife.

> > So he has done in the past births as

> > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> >

> > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> >

> > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> > house.

> >

> > Will just say this much today.....

> > A,m busy in other important work....

> > Will come with more inputs later......

> >

> > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > asytrological Forums.

> >

> > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > and mercury combined with neptune

> > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

>

March 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear narasimha ji

i request u to not mix the systems ,neither u and me knows this

mixing b4 the sjc schools came into being ,even u will agree ur

respected parampara ( i mean family ) was not doing it .

so i cant take this exchenge of lord s and thing like that .

also he has serious flaws in his chart and even last one yr i requested

him many times to consider it and correct it .The vision no body is sure

,if its hallucination or real unless one himself try himself to work on

it

other wise i hav all the respect to u and my wishes for u .

he suffer frm serious past life problems and also this life sins

intoxicated by some mediocre success and those problems reflected in his

behavoir too .cant u see why keep on fighting with only astro gurus who

helped him .Now if u come out to help him its ur turn next .

if u wanna i can sent u mails to prove it ,how he invites ppls and uses

and then order them to teach ,is it is the sign of spiritual progress or

is it is spiritual fall .Do we ever behav such a way if some one teach u

even one axiom .U search iin this grp itslef u can find he come with

doubts and orders others to explain .do u think its not behavoural

defeciency some phychic problem .

i congratulate u for providing us the gr8 astro SW j hora .

but u should hav the courage to say what is right and what is wrong .Its

not the students job to carry the load of sins of gurus

hope u understands ,if any way i hurt u sorry .

I hav all my respect and wishes for u and ur gr8 mission

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages.

This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

>

> Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data.

I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people

on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware

of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words

on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments.

>

> In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very

very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

>

> Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery

sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite

short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa

(D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at

the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha

(personified sin) that lives within one.

>

> This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the

top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However,

Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has

rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the

savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These

factors give basic strength to the chart.

>

> I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in

debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5)

in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great

blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas

(houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While

feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible.

The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show

tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important.

>

> Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for

spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The

lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna.

That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra

Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult

experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical

experiences and visions.

>

> With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

>

> Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is

possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what

I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

>

> * * *

>

> Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a

couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from

me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

>

> You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord

is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on

Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day

before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

>

> You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24

(chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become

a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great

virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast

and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25

years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and

researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish

reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is

still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it

for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer

things.

>

> Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less

arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you

develop true humility.

>

> Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and

yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your

spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do

not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please

realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come

only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger

things and please do not stagnate where you are now.

>

> Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are

both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people

and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her

forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper

and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different

forms.

>

> Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and

not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on

natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much

is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my

judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot

nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to

many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

>

> * * *

>

> I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments

on some sentiments I observed here.

>

> If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that

the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field

of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is

infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access

to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to,

She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to

play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings

play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and

leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and

" achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make

more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which

type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and

experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to

play. No more and no less.

>

> If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other

mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to

play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does

not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other

aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of

this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa

are masters of astrology.

>

> A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her

siddhis or other so-called achievements.

>

> Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety.

They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully

killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time,

even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as

the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all

subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's

world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who

experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect

knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

>

> Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

March 28, 2008

Dear P.V.R. Rao ji,

Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora.

Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend himself, is

using your good name . Those who know this person closely, would NOT

agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to your

carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the

general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can make so

many " incorrect predictions " !!

It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to anything

else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ??

Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected

horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is

all gives good results ??

Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings,

PVR Raoji ??

Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default hororscopes

in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one

day realization may dawn upon you.

If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his expletives

is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen in

every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you

against this man with all my other friends and ammunition.

Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending this

" fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of your

nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you

should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason.

Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities, use

them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul. Probably you

do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all out to

make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the nearest future

!!

Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution to the

software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through various

debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking, makes me

to re-think of the image that I have long carried.

It is never too late for anything....I would personally request you to

seriously rethink on above.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> pvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

> messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful

> data.

> >

> > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

> data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

> some people on this list and there may be some background to this

> that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I

> want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do

> not welcome my comments.

> >

> > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

> very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

> derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

> >

> > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

> aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

> fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes

> him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in

> trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that

> operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

> purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

> >

> > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over

> the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

> However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

> moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on

> lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in

> 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

> >

> > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

> terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if

> in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

> exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

> spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada

> (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a

> great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are

> to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings

> (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express

> them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while

> their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha

> padas are very important.

> >

> > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good

> for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

> evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation.

> The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in

> lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with

> nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the

> 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is

> conducive to mystical experiences and visions.

> >

> > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

> mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

> spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

> >

> > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it

> is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am

> stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer

> a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism

> from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

> >

> > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

> Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

> lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

> Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end

> of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

> >

> > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in

> D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You

> will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility

> is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this

> subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I

> learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the

> last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know

> several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I

> know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not

> saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the

> mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things.

> >

> > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

> humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and

> less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace,

> after you develop true humility.

> >

> > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of

> mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more

> progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion

> and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise

> in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the

> impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more

> to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more

> discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not

> stagnate where you are now.

> >

> > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness

> are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned

> people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are

> both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and

> short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of

> Her different forms.

> >

> > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality

> and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu

> transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality

> for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart

> (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome

> your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and

> also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

> knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic

> comments on some sentiments I observed here.

> >

> > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean

> that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While

> Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also

> known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If

> She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other

> people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason.

> Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources

> needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without

> ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage

> calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements "

> seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more

> noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming

> liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even

> give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of

> which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge

> and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has

> to play. No more and no less.

> >

> > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or

> other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has

> a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It

> absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever

> he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be

> clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas

> are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over

> some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology.

> >

> > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

> when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from

> his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements.

> >

> > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its

> entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their

> egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja

> samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they

> understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it

> works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not

> expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course,

> expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds

> of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects

> of maayaa.

> >

> > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

March 28, 2008

Shree Narsimharaoji.

This gentleman invited me to his forum,

which i joined most hesitatingly, as

knew his nature , and as I

had feared and imagined he rightly

humiliated me a couple of times during

my short stay there. Any normally any

good person too, after inviting any one

would behave gentlemanly with the

invitee and not show disrespect or

try to be overbearing, but would

allow him to breathe on the alloted seat.

But this man is not even normally good,

as was envisged by me before joining

the Forum, and i fell prey to his

scheme of things.

Just read his first post to me

when I entered his Forum -

// Sri Bhaskar Ji,

Namaskaar, This is a different place to be

and we all want to get ur frank views, here

is nobody fake to do any mischeivious things.

You are an experienced elderly person and

after Narsimha if i liked anybody

other than the Gurus of the group, it's you.

You are required for the sake of astrology's

relevance.

regards,

Lalit. //

After I left the Forum as he was trying to

downplay me all the time, he commented on

my chart behind my back. And You call

this person spiritual.

He has also given unasked for negative

predictions on my chart, which you have

conveniently seem to ignore, but when I

put his chart with analysis of only

one planet, you make a hue and cry over

his spirituality which is'non-existent ?

(If i start commenting on the

other planets in his chart

then the heavens will come

down and the sky would fall).

Have you seen my chart and studied it ?

Or have you studied and ignored it ?

Did you not see the

MahaBhagya Yoga in my chart,or the

Kaivalya as per the Jamini system you

project to have mastery in ?

Did You check my Vimsamsa (Chart) ?

Where were your comments then,

if you had checked just these 3,you

would not have commented positive

on his spirtuality. But instead you chose

to comment negative on me just

like him, that Mars influences Simha

Lagna.....

Is this the right behaviour from a

respected Guru ?

And his spirituality would be seen very

well by You, if you spend some time

reading his posts on

the various Forums, and also when

you happen to stop being

affectiomnate to him, he will

kick You as he did to me

and so many others, who kept their

hands on his back.

What type of astrology you are doing I

am unable to understand, You call

this ,man spiritual, when he is just a

trickster, pompous brat who does

not know how to talk, behave,

and remain a proper human being,

forget becoming good. he is just

interested in hoodwinking

the members of his group, especially

the female foreigners by showing himself

a very spiritual person of india, and

a very knowledgable astrologer.

We read about such persons daily in the

newspapers.

And You call him spiritual ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

March 28, 2008

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest

messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data.

>

> Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this

data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between

some people on this list and there may be some background to this that

I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to

say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome

my comments.

>

> In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be

very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental

derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below.

>

> Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th

aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a

fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him

quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in

trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that

operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa

purusha (personified sin) that lives within one.

>

> This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the

top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome.

However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his

moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on

lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th

in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart.

>

> I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so

terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in

debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The

exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for

spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada

(A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a

great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to

bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas).

While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are

tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha

padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very

important.

>

> Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good

for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual

evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The

lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna.

That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes.

Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord

of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to

mystical experiences and visions.

>

> With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a

mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some

spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions.

>

> Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is

possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating

what I honestly feel after looking at this chart.

>

> * * *

>

> Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a

couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from

me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me.

>

> You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in

Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th

lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married.

Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of

the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief.

>

> You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in

D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will

become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a

great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is

vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish

about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years

learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within

Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller

than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound

humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I

discover newer things.

>

> Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some

humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less

arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you

develop true humility.

>

> Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical

experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress

and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep

your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the

public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of

touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced

and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are

destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now.

>

> Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are

both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people

and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her

forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short

temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her

different forms.

>

> Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality

and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting

on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So

much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my

judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and

hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give

direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you.

>

> * * *

>

> I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and

knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments

on some sentiments I observed here.

>

> If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean

that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman

(field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as

Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives

someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not

have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a

specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that

role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete

sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego,

take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are

doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance

to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too

and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type.

Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all

the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the

role one has to play. No more and no less.

>

> If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other

mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role

to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely

does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is

correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other

aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of

this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of

maayaa are masters of astrology.

>

> A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them

when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her

siddhis or other so-called achievements.

>

> Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety.

They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully

killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time,

even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well

as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters

of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in

today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced

yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have

imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa.

>

> Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

Hari Om, Narasimha.

I m very glad to see that finally one person see in that chart and

positive things. I look in chart just now few and I see good chart,

except that moon, but Mangal have drishti on the own house, little

problem with ego. Retrograde Jupiter aspect that mooon in nine bhava,

and form Sunapha yoga. Shani its another story, but consist good dhana

yoga. Fifth bhava excellent for Jyotishvidya , with Ketu and Mercury.

Fifth bhava receive drishti from retrograde Jupiter from Ninth bhava.

Six bhava is excellent with drishti from Jupiter again from tenth bhava.

And many more things.

But dear Lalit, you have very hard transit now, try to run from that

six bhava, and run to your tenth bhava with Jupiter, only darmic deed,

with appropriate attitude for Brahmin, not fight with saturn and Mars

karakatvas, haha. . You will see that is the best solution for you.

I don t know you or another person in that debate but your chart it is

not just evil and bad, you remember that.

Bad transit and nothing more.

And very soon you have run Venus mahadasha and will be many thing better.

Best regards,

ashwini

>

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>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Date of Birth

> > 17th August 1972

> > Time - 8.20pm

> > Place - Rewa. (M.P.)

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > This is a interesting case for study and matches much

> > of the parameters required

> > to get inside the configurations which make

> > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated,

> > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely.

> >

> > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations-

> > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time

> > andother work to attend to.

> >

> > Moon -

> >

> > a) Debilitated.

> > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb.

> > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect.

> > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect.

> > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn.

> >

> > What does it mean ? -

> > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able.

> > Would be depraved mentality.

> > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage.

> > He would not be able to marry early in the first case.

> > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type

> > people., given to drinking,eating and all types

> > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot

> > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too

> > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which

> > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated.

> > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there.

> > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would

> > be the biggest badha in this mans Life.

> > due to.....

> > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind,

> > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits,

> > depressed nerves, licentious habits,

> > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise

> > entaglements with low company.self undoing.

> > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system

> > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent.

> > hallucinations would persist most of the time

> > and he would be in a state of Utiopia.

> >

> > The 5th and 9th house

> >

> > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house.

> > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above.

> > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect.

> > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House

> > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune

> > in close conjunction.

> > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the

> > 6th Lord.

> >

> > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva

> > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good.

> > This manwould be a selfish natured and self

> > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all,

> > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises.

> >

> > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru,

> > for he would disrespct his gurus after a

> > certain period of association with them,

> > he would insult them and cause grief to them

> > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them.

> > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse

> > with his own Gurus wife.

> > So he has done in the past births as

> > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm.,

> > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother.

> > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him.

> >

> > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too,

> > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him,

> > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy

> > his perverted demand of Lusts.

> >

> > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th

> > house.

> >

> > Will just say this much today.....

> > A,m busy in other important work....

> > Will come with more inputs later......

> >

> > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli

> > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester

> > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins

> > and a outcaste by Actions, on the

> > asytrological Forums.

> >

> > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon,

> > and mercury combined with neptune

> > with a aspect of saturn and Mars,

> > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house.

> >

> > BHASKAR.

>

March 28, 2008

Namaste Narasimha ji,

Let me give a small glimpse of the person you are vouching or putting

your own credentials at risk.

When he started a group, he had about TEN Gurus to guide him. About

FIVE of them left for various reasons. News Ones Added. Do not know

about them for never heard or seen them writing in other groups, so

cannot judge them, neither want to do that activity, for it is left to

members to judge.

He learnt basics of Astrology from his greatest guru - Rup Krishen

Baqaya, whose name he deleted from the Guru's list for some strong

differences between them. Similarly, he took advantage of Sunil Nair,

now he is removed from the group. Then he took services of Bhaskar,

who had a scare of his life { if I am permitted to exaggerate it for

humor reasons}, he left his group. Later, the group owner started to

slander him in his own group - i.e. at the backstabbing.

It is the same Rup Krishen Baqaya sought services of Bhaskar, for a

personal reading, may be he is going through a bad patch of his life.

There are still 4-5 vacancies in the Guru's list. Possibly, he would

add your name in his list of Gurus, tomorrow, delete it later should you

not respond or go against him.

Let him honestly admit this, should he be really spiritual.

Should you still wanting to support him, which you are free to do.

But, then be prepared to repent that the habitual nature of this

person's slander, would one day, effect you - it is a question of time

for someone who has done this more than 5-6 times, that you also join

this bandwagon.