Birth Time Rectification

May 25, 2007

Dear Ajay Soni,

1. I took up your question at 10:24:17 on 25 th May 2007 at 27N11 and

78E02 and casted chart of Native as per data supplied by You.

I am sorry to observe, Uday prasna Navamsa tells me something is wrong with

your Data and planets do not answer at the moment your question.

I can only say please examine facts and data before you.

Hope other experts in the group will help you.

2. From KP consideration RP at chart judgement are

The primary RPs are Su, Mo, Me, Ve. Ketu acts as an agent for: Su,

Mo.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ju, Ra.Planets in the star of

retrograde planets: Ve.

Effective Ruling Planets: Su, Mo, Me, Ju, Ra, Ke.

and At birth of Native RP were: The primary RPs are Su, Mo, Me, Ju.Rahu

acts as an agent for: Me.Ketu acts as an agent for: Ju. Planets aspected by

the primary RPs: Ma.Planets in the star of retrograde planets: Mo, Ma, Ju.

Planets in the sub of retrograde planets: Me. so

Effective Ruling Planets: Su, Ra, Ke.

It is not difficult to Judge what i say By KP also .Important RP does not

support Birth time.

Please do not forget to quote male/female while posting Data.

Thanks.

swami_rcs .

-

" ajay soni " <aslovens

<swami

Friday, May 25, 2007 10:02 AM

Re: Birth Time Rectification

> Can you Confirm the same ..... I made some prediction

>

> DOB & Time is correct

> --- swami wrote:

>

>> Dear Ajay Soni,

>> Nameste.

>> Here birth time rectification was under discussion

>> .Your posting does not

>> clarify,

>> 1. You are seeking Birth time correction of native

>> and verification of your

>> prediction. OR

>> 2. You have already predicted but wants

>> confirmation.

>> In either case ,Desire in seeker of Birth time

>> rectification and astrologer

>> undertaking so has to be specific and chart/RP has

>> to reflect the query.

>> But it is not a query about your future,it is about

>> your client so first

>> thing You should state do you doubt BT of Native?You

>> must know when case was

>> presented to you.

>> Please check RP at that time and at Natal timeof

>> native.

>> Ther correspondane will indicate time of Birth is

>> correct or incorrect.

>> Hope this hint is well known to you,If doubt please

>> post your working that

>> can be evaluated by others and their opinion could

>> be educative.By the way

>> Prof Andrew Datta is also a member of this group.

>> Hope this helps.

>> swami_rcs

>> -

>> " ajay soni " <aslovens

>> <swami

>> Friday, May 25, 2007 9:22 AM

>> Re: Birth Time Rectification

>>

>> > Sir

>> >

>> > can u check one horoscope and tell me

>> >

>> > DOB - 22/1/1978

>> > Place of birth - Ajmer , rajasthan ( india)

>> > Time - 22:45

>> >

>> > can you check and tell me when this guy will

>> become a

>> > film star. I was analysing the chart of this guy

>> and

>> > found June 2007 his journey starts as an Actor and

>> > sept 2007 A film Star

>> >

>> > Wht r ur suggestions

>> >

>> > --- swami wrote:

>> >

>> >> Dear Viswanath,

>> >> Please refer star teller.Prof.Andrew dutta

>> articles

>> >> in june 2007.It

>> >> describes with example. the theory part was

>> >> described by Sh M.P.Shanmugam also.

>> >> swami_rcs

>> >> -

>> >> Astrologer_vishy Nair

>> >>

>> >> Monday, May 21, 2007 12:28 PM

>> >> Birth Time Rectification

>> >>

>> >> Dear Sirs

>> >>

>> >> We were given to understand after the birth

>> time

>> >> rectification is done as per KP

>> >> connecting natal Asc and Moon with the Asc and

>> >> Moon at the time of judgement with reference to

>> sign

>> >> lord, star lord and sub lord, the astrologer

>> should

>> >> check that the Asc cusp sub lord and 9th cusp sub

>> >> lord should be connected.

>> >>

>> >> Can anyone throw some lights on these line of

>> >> rules.

>> >>

>> >> Regards

>> >> Mk Viswanath

>> >>

>> >

>>

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June 7, 2007

Dear Vishy Nair You have not included the Day Lord. This is also a ruling planet. You may be able to rectify the TOB on the analogy that RPs at time of enquiry are the RPs at Birth, of course the enquiry has to be a serious one. Try it Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: Dear Sujata Das madam This refers to the Birth time rectification based on ruling planets. Judgement Asc and Moon 27-May-2007 11-51 am Asc 05° Le 50' 21.7106" Makha Sun-Ket-Rah-Rah 27-May-2007 11-51 am Mon 18° Vi 58'

39.484" Hastha Mer-Moo-Mer-Rah Natal Asc and Moon 02-Sep-1961 09-08 am Asc 28° Vi 43' 11.526" Chitra Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 02-Sep-1961 09-08 am Mon 18° Ta 25' 50.0573" Rohini Ven-Moo-Mer-Ven Software used is www.astraura.org Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu. Now Please see the sub lord of Natal Asc, which is

Saturn. The connection between Saturn and Rahu in the natal chart is remote. Now please see the sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart. They are Venus and Rahu respectively. The connection between them is not established in the natal chart very closely. 02-Sep-1961 09-16 am Asc 00° Li 42' 45.2396" Chitra Ven-Mar-Mer-Sun 02-Sep-1961 09-16 am Mon 18° Ta 30' 3.7524" Rohini Ven-Moo-Mer-Sun Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu. Now Please see the sub lord of the natal Asc, which is Mer. The connection is more closer. Now please see the connection between sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart. They are Sun and Rahu. Both Sun and Rahu are closely associated. Assuming the situation from judgement Asc sub sub lord and natal moon sub sub lord at 9-16 am there is more close connection. Your esteemed views are appreciated. Regards Viswanath Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know how! Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609

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June 7, 2007

Sir The day lord was considered, but omitted to include in this particular message. The day lord on the date of judgement was Sun. The day lord on the date of birth was Saturn. In the natal chart Saturn was in the Sun star Uthara ashada. With Warm Regards ViswanathRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Vishy Nair You have not included the Day Lord. This is also a ruling

planet. You may be able to rectify the TOB on the analogy that RPs at time of enquiry are the RPs at Birth, of course the enquiry has to be a serious one. Try it Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sujata Das madam This refers to the Birth time rectification based on ruling planets. Judgement Asc and Moon 27-May-2007 11-51 am Asc 05° Le 50' 21.7106" Makha Sun-Ket-Rah-Rah 27-May-2007 11-51

am Mon 18° Vi 58' 39.484" Hastha Mer-Moo-Mer-Rah Natal Asc and Moon 02-Sep-1961 09-08 am Asc 28° Vi 43' 11.526" Chitra Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 02-Sep-1961 09-08 am Mon 18° Ta 25' 50.0573" Rohini Ven-Moo-Mer-Ven Software used is www.astraura.org Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu. Now Please see the sub lord of Natal Asc, which is Saturn. The connection between Saturn and Rahu in the natal chart is remote. Now please see the sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart.

They are Venus and Rahu respectively. The connection between them is not established in the natal chart very closely. 02-Sep-1961 09-16 am Asc 00° Li 42' 45.2396" Chitra Ven-Mar-Mer-Sun 02-Sep-1961 09-16 am Mon 18° Ta 30' 3.7524" Rohini Ven-Moo-Mer-Sun Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu. Now Please see the sub lord of the natal Asc, which is Mer. The connection is more closer. Now please see the connection between sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart. They are Sun and Rahu. Both Sun and Rahu are closely associated. Assuming the situation from judgement Asc sub sub lord and natal moon sub sub lord at 9-16 am there is more close connection. Your esteemed views are appreciated. Regards Viswanath Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know how! Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool.

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June 8, 2007

Dear Sarv shri Sri Lajmi ji & Kanakji,

Hari OM ,

I am not seeing postings of Kanak ji now a days.

Although this mail is addressed to Madam Sujata ji,

I would request you both :

1.How could you have proceeded?.Kindly demonstrate w.r.t.Rectification and verification in instant case.

2. Secondly I will request you to give your views about method employed

By Late shri M.P.Shanmugam inastro secrets vol 1 page 174 t0 179.

3.Do you recommend Method taught by Mr andrew datta as shown in star teller?

With regards.

All steps need not be shown, only your valued opinion & experience as you both are practising astrologer.

with regards ,

swami_rcs.

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Astrologer_vishy Nair

Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:17 PM

Re: Birth time rectification

Sir

The day lord was considered, but omitted to include in this particular message.

The day lord on the date of judgement was Sun. The day lord on the date of birth was Saturn. In the natal chart Saturn was in the Sun star Uthara ashada.

With Warm Regards

ViswanathRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Dear Vishy Nair

You have not included the Day Lord. This is also a ruling planet. You may be able to

rectify the TOB on the analogy that RPs at time of enquiry are the RPs at Birth, of course the enquiry has to be a serious one.

Try it

Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sujata Das madam

This refers to the Birth time rectification based on ruling planets.

Judgement Asc and Moon

27-May-2007

11-51 am

Asc

05° Le 50' 21.7106"

Makha

Sun-Ket-Rah-Rah

27-May-2007

11-51 am

Mon

18° Vi 58' 39.484"

Hastha

Mer-Moo-Mer-Rah

Natal Asc and Moon

02-Sep-1961

09-08 am

Asc

28° Vi 43' 11.526"

Chitra

Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven

02-Sep-1961

09-08 am

Mon

18° Ta 25' 50.0573"

Rohini

Ven-Moo-Mer-Ven

Software used is www.astraura.org

Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu.

Now Please see the sub lord of Natal Asc, which is Saturn.

The connection between Saturn and Rahu in the natal chart is remote.

Now please see the sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart. They are Venus and Rahu respectively. The connection between them is not established in the natal chart very closely.

02-Sep-1961

09-16 am

Asc

00° Li 42' 45.2396"

Chitra

Ven-Mar-Mer-Sun

02-Sep-1961

09-16 am

Mon

18° Ta 30' 3.7524"

Rohini

Ven-Moo-Mer-Sun

Please see the sub lord of Judgement Asc, which is Rahu.

Now Please see the sub lord of the natal Asc, which is Mer.

The connection is more closer.

Now please see the connection between sub sub of Moon of both natal and judgement chart. They are Sun and Rahu. Both Sun and Rahu are closely associated.

Assuming the situation from judgement Asc sub sub lord and natal moon sub sub lord at 9-16 am there is more close connection.

Your esteemed views are appreciated.

Regards

Viswanath

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June 30, 2007

Dear Ramdas ji,

Please read the file on " what is birth time? " uploaded by me in the

files section which provides the necessary quotes. You will find the

file at:

Sreenadh/What

is birth time.pdf

This is part-I of the article I am preparing on Birth time

Rectification.

By the way, Can you explain how PRANA is related to pranapada? As I

know it Prana as per sages the average human breath per day is 21600

and thus the time for a single inhale/exhale combination is 4 sec,

which is termed a PRANA (a measure of time). The prana pada - you said

changes every 40 sec. How they are related? Can you explain?

Love,

Sreenadh

, HosabettuRamadas Rao

<ramadasrao wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> Shri Sanjay Rath of SJC explained about Prana Pada method of birth

time rectification in the method I wrote to you.I was keeping his mail

till last few months but as I had some problems in my computer which

suddenly crashed, I could not save many of the mails,so I lost it.But

one thing is clear that when the child comes to this earth, it

immidiately cries as soon as it inhales the air ( Prana ).So we

consider this time as the birth time which can be calculated as Prana

Pada.

> With Regards,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> : sreesog: Fri, 29 Jun 2007

09:31:31 +0000 Re: Innocent person

or a dangerous psychopath? Please help analyze.

>

> Dear Ramdas ji,Thanks for clarification.==>> The 1st breath of the

child when it comes to this earth is the time of birth<==No sage

adivices the same; on the contrary we have many other approved

definitions for BT in horas like 'Sounaka Hora', 'Garga Hora' etc. No

neither BPHS suggest the same. What is BT as per definitions provided

by sages? - This is one of the questions we should clarify in the

first place. Yap, I will quote the reference and clarify the same, in

the article. ==>> But its use is to be reckoned from Navamsha chart

..Pranapada > Navamsha has to be in trine to Navamsha Lagna or Navamsha

Chandra > or atleast 7th to either of them in Navamsha.This is the

final > tuning in the birth time rectification.<==Please quote the

reference. Further, as I know it, reading D-charts independently is

not supported by the sages.==>> Just you can try this and reply

me.<==Just trying any of the various BT rectification methods can't

prove anything. The normal BT rectification methods will help us to

correct(?) only 2-3 minutes. Since after BT rectification what we do

is trying to match the events as per Desa with the rectified(?) chart.

In this situation, at least the support of the words and directions of

sages (the quotes from authentic texts that support those methods), is

necessary to have a confidence and belief in the rectified time at

least for the astrologer. That is why, the search for sage supported,

Rishi hora told, methods - and understanding of the logical foundation

(of those methods) for our guidance becomes important.

Love,Sreenadh ,

HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,>

Pranapada is changing every 40 seconds and this is the main clue in

rectifying the birth time rectification after both Kunda and Tattwa

and Antara Tattwa methods are employed.The 1st breath of the child

when it comes to this earth is the time of birth and this is nothing

but Prana entering to a human body.So the Prana Pada is used to

rectify the birth time effectively.But its use is to be reckoned from

Navamsha chart .Pranapada Navamsha has to be in trine to Navamsha

Lagna or Navamsha Chandra or atleast 7th to either of them in

Navamsha.This is the final tuning in the birth time rectification.Iam

using all these 3 methods and getting very good results in predicting

events. Pranapada in Rashi chart is used to predict the results which

falls in different houses.> Just you can try this and reply me.> With

Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > @: sreesog@:

Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:09:41 +0000 Re:

Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Please help analyze.> > > >

> Dear Ramdas ji,I will try to cover both Tatwa method and Pranapada

also in my article.But one question When Parasara gives the results

of Pranapada for all the 12 houses how we are supposed to use it for

birth time rectification? Further Parasara never advises us to use it

for Birth time rectification. Can you shed more light on

this?Love,Sreenadh ,

HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> Along

with Kunda rectification, if we use Tattwa and Antara Tattwa methods

and Pranapada methods,the birth times can be rectified further almost

accurately.In Tattwa and Antara Tattwa method,we have five Tattwas

ie., Agni,Jala,Vayu,Prithvi and Akasha Tattwas daily rising with Agni,

Akasha and Prithvi Tattwas are male while Jala and Vayu Tattwas are

female.These can be further tuned to Antara Tattwas accordingly and

for almost every 3 minutes we get the birth in 3 types of Lagnas

ie.,Chara,Sthira and Dwiswabhava with Janma Nakshatra lords.This time

can be further tuned by Kunda and Prana Pada methods to get almost

accurate birth times.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To:

@: sreesog@: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:25:56

+0000 Re: Innocent person or a

dangerous psychopath? Please help analyze.> > > > > Dear Pandit ji,The

real problem is that I usually get enough free time only on Saturday

and Sunday. This Saturday I will sit on that will prepare an article

on Birth time rectification methods and will upload it in the group.

Note: As of Kunda rectification method is concerned, to be brief,Kunda

Longitude = Lagna longitude X 81 This should fall in the star or trine

star of the native – here by star we mean the star in which Moon is

placed, i.e Janma Nakshatra. If this is not happening, proper

adjustment is done in time by adding or decreasing 30 sec each so that

the Kunda Longitude falls on the Janma Nakshatra trines. This method

helps only for a maximum correction of 3 minutes.I will elaborate on

the same with examples in on Saturday along with the discussion of

other methods.Love,Sreenadh--- In

, Panditji <navagraha@>

wrote:>> Namaste Sreenadh,> > I was reading you article on birth time

rectification. Good info. Are you> planning to elaborate on that

article.> Kunda method is one of the methods described there. Aslo the

method using> Yamas and tatwas needs elaboration. The particular chart

is discussed but> what happens for other scenarios is not discussed. I

am sure that was not> the intent of the article, but it wouls be great

if it is formalized into a> writeup.> > Thanks> ...> > > On 6/24/07,

Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit ji,> > Yes, it is time

that we should go back to normal astrological> > discussions. Today I

was engaged in completing one article [yes, in> > sequence with the

current unending story of replying to Kaul ],> > and will post it

today (a pdf doc).> > From tomorrow onwards we will start with this

chart itself. Of> > course in the next post I will clarify the Kunda

rectification> > method as well.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- In

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> Panditji> > <navagraha@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Any

comments on this chart. Also could you please elaborate the> > kunda

method> > > of rectification.> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > ...> > >> >

>> > > On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > BT: 7th May

1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.> > > > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982,

10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.> > > > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39> > > >

Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)> > >

> Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year> > > >>

> > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > >> > > > Lagna

25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3

Ar Li> > > > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp> > > > Mars ® -

DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq> > > > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 "

Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg> >

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi> > > > Saturn ® - AK 22

Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn> > > > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge

Ar> > > > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li> > > > Gulika 19 Ta 29'

37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > >>

> > > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu>

> (Lagma> > > > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that

the given> > birth> > > > time is correct.> > > > Primary Analysis> >

> > ================> > > > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but

both Ve and Su> > debilitated in> > > > Navamsa.> > > > * Ju

retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful> > unmade yoga>

> > > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own> >

house.> > > > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in

Navamsa)> > > > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is

12th from> > the> > > > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e.

Lagnadhipa navamsa> > falls on> > > > 11th from lagna)> > > > * 4th

house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa,> > indicating a> >

> > fallen (immoral) individual.> > > > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in

5th and Ve in 10th and Su in> > 11th, he> > > > would be a successful

individual in his early years of life,> > like an> > > > over voltage

bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)> > > > * As indicated by

Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen,> > immoral> > > > poor

family, the native attained life success because of his> > unique> > >

> abilities and successful profession.> > > > * Ve in 10th from Lagna

indicates that the native will have> > income> > > > from women and

job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also> > indicate the> > > > same.

Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from> > > >

Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession> >

related> > > > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business

related to> > > > similar things. The native should have attained all

kinds of life> > > > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and

every other possible> > > > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due

his success in> > profession> > > > during his 20-25 years of age.

(Remember that the native is only> > 25> > > > years of age now)> > >

> * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th> >

aspected> > > > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa

also> > indicate the> > > > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple

combinations that> > indicate> > > > madness or a psychic patient. The

results will actualize (psychic> > > > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa

Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara> > (). No> > > > doubt the horoscope

is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari> > dasa> > > > from Moon

Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari> > dasa> > > >

from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness> > >

> should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The> >

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly> >

visible to> > > > the world in this period.> > > > * 8th lord Sa

aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th> > indicate> > > > a

combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison> > sentence

for> > > > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.> >

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can>

> not> > > > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in

prison for> > long.> > > > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the

activities of the native would> > be> > > > destructive for the

society but beneficial to the worldly> > success of> > > > the native

(till the tide changes). He will not repent and the> > trend> > > >

will be followed throughout his life.> > > > * The Me desa would be no

better than the Sa dasa going through> > tides,> > > > turbulences and

occasional madness.> > > > * The native will again become famous, well

known and successful> > only> > > > at the end of his life in Ve dasa.

He will follow the same> > profession> > > > and will become well

known in the same after the age of 65 years.> > > > Remark:> > > >

=======> > > > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with

exceptional> > intelligence> > > > and professional success. He will

for sure suffer the long prison> > > > sentence for 19 years for sure.

His would be a unique life, and> > he> > > > will come back to

popularity and professional success again in> > the> > > > late years

of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is> > > > futile,

remedies will not work, this being a strong result.> > > >> > > >

Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique> > > >

combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the> >

same.> > > > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the

same.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In> >

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> <%> > 40>,> > > > Panditji> >

> > <navagraha@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > >

The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu> > and>

> > > shani.> > > > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is

exalted and is> > > > aspected by> > > > > shani, with no controling

aspect of guru, this can give strong> > sex> > > > drive. 4> > > > >

malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru> > and

ravi are> > > > > debilited in navansha.> > > > >> > > > > The dasha

running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on> > chadra to> > > >

suggest> > > > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats

the only> > > > negative I can> > > > > say about chandra in rashi.

Birth is on poornima so chadra is> > strong.> > > > >> > > > > So, yes

there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.> > Mangal and> >

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.> > > > >> > > >

> ...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@>

wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello Learned astrologers:> > > > > >> >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws> >

are very> > > > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some

cases the legal> > > > processes has> > > > > > resulted in a clear

miscarriage of justice.> > > > > >> > > > > > The native was accused

of molesting several women,> > assaulting a> > > > couple of> > > > >

> women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were> > > >

supposedly> > > > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial

molester.> > > > > >> > > > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence.

He was sentenced to 18> > years> > > > > > imprisonment. This happened

in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa> > > > (started from> > > > > >

lagna).> > > > > >> > > > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and

during all my> > > > interactions, he> > > > > > comes across as a

very intelligent and a sensible person,> > claiming> > > > > >

innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his> > > >

communication and> > > > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin

it down to his> > inherent> > > > nature, as> > > > > > someone who

can be falsely accused and has to spend his time> > in> > > > prison

can> > > > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also> > finds him> > > > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in

charge of the case> > has> > > > reported> > > > > > (based on his

tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it> > > > would be a> > >

> > > danger to society if he was released.> > > > > >> > > > > > The

native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest> > court,> > > >

though the> > > > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not

be> > successful in> > > > view of> > > > > > the psychiatrist

opinion.> > > > > >> > > > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the

details available> > with the> > > > > > authorities, the chart

(D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a> > Gaja> > > > kesari> > > > > >

yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows> > a good>

> > > chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time:

10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *> > > > > >> > > > > > *Here are the

questions from a practical standpoint:*> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Is it

possible that he could have committed such serious> > crimes?> > > > >

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his> >

defence> > > > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job.

Was> > miscarriage> > > > of justice> > > > > > possible?> > > > > >

3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the> > > >

appeal> > > > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the

psychiatrist> > opinion.> > > > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures

possible to improve the> > state of> > > > > > affairs?> > > > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*> > >

> > >> > > > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such

deviant> > sexual> > > > > > behavior?> > > > > > 2. What aspects in

the chart could indicate such a long> > prison> > > > term?> > > > > >

3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a> > victim>

> > > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?> > > > > >

4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused> > himself when>

> > > > > he was a child? How does one see that?> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it

is> > a very> > > > > > interesting case, may I request the learned

astrologers give> > a> > > > more detailed> > > > > > comprehensive

response.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >

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November 4, 2007

Same problem here

Birth time rectification needed

some one has told me

4th jan 1976 born

some says its 3:02 am

and some 3:30 am

wanna know correct time of birth

iam also not married and no stablitiy and no good things in life

Kindly say what to do

Yours sincerely

Jaideep Mukherji

vedic astrology , " k_mayag " <k_mayag wrote:

>

> All -

> Can anyone tell me how to rectify the birth time for this chart:

>

> July 11, 1968, 3:17 PM, Hyderabad, India. I was told that the time

> could not be right as this person is still not married (female). She

> very much wants to get married. Could the birth time be 3:10 or 3:30

> pm?

> I can give more information about the individual or certain events if

> that will help.

>

> Thank you.

> Maya

>

December 22, 2007

II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu,

I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my individual ID also on this thread.

I am working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail.

After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group.

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Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM

Birth time Rectification

Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on "Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology".The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms "Linkage" and "Connectivity" are same. If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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December 22, 2007

Dear Mr.Naidu I think you forgot to attach the analysis. Regards Subhash Ektare

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December 23, 2007

Dear Mr.Subhashji,Thank you for your kind response. I am sorry I forgot to attach. Now I attach the analysis.Kindly let me know your views on it.Thanking you,KP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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December 23, 2007

MEMBERS MAY PLEASE NOTE:NO ATTACHEMNT IS ACCEPED BY THE GROUP-PER SE.IF YOU WANT TO ATTACH ANY DATA-PLEASE ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER AT HIS PERSONAL ID, AND SEND ITswami wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu, I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my

individual ID also on this thread. I am working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail. After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group. with regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs http://www.kaalvastu.com------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - K. P. Naidu Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM Birth time Rectification Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on "Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology".The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms "Linkage" and "Connectivity" are same.

If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

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December 23, 2007

II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear friends,

As indicated,those who has d for individual mails from group also receive attachments.

Attachments are permitted but does not allow thier storage.

I got the attachment and have latest Office.Some may not be able to open the attached document as it is saved in Office 2007 version.That has extension DOCX.

For mails having attachment in DOC It is fine if DOC to be attached is saved in compatible mode if one has office 2007.

Sorry for non astrological stuff but I thought it will be useful to share.

I will repond to thread ,as soon as i get time.

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Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:55 PM

Re: Birth time Rectification

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II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu,

I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my individual ID also on this thread.

I am working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail.

After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group.

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K. P. Naidu

Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM

Birth time Rectification

Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on "Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology".The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms "Linkage" and "Connectivity" are same. If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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Thanks and noted

Raichur-a-r <raichurar Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:55:12 PMRe: Birth time Rectification

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II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu,

I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my individual ID also on this thread.

I am working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail.

After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group.

with regards. OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------swami_rcs http://www.kaalvast u.com------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

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Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM

Birth time Rectification

Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on "Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology".The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms "Linkage" and "Connectivity" are same. If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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December 23, 2007

Respected Swamiji,Since the attachment is not accepted in the KP system , I have given below the analysis for your kind perusal and advice. Name: K.Rajasekhar. Birth 17-01-1974. Birth time: 05.30 AM. Birth Place: Anakapalle, Long. 83.00 E, Lat.17.41 N. Birth chart prepared from Raichur KP s/w. Birth Time Rectification. Judgement 19-12-2007, Time:12.42pm. Place:Wilmington, Lat.39.40 N, Long.75.36 E. Time chart: House SGL STL SBL SSBL Planet SGL STL SBL SSBL Asc. Sa ra mo ve Sun ju ke su ke 2 ma ke mo ra Moon ma ke su ke 3 ve su sa ve Mars me ra sa sa 4 ve ma ju me Merc ju ke mo ve 5 me ra su ve Jupi ju ke ra sa 6 mo sa ma su Ven ve ju sa ve 7 su ve ra me Sat su ve ve ju 8 ve ma ve ju Rahu sa ra ra ju 9

ma sa sa me Ketu su ke ra ve 10

ma me ju me 11 ju ve ma mo 12 sa mo ra me PLANET SGL STL SBL Asc. Of Birth chart Jup V en Moon Moon of Time chart Mars Ketu Sun !st Level check: Birth chart Asc sign lord Jupiter is in Rahu sub. Time chart Moon sign lord Mars is in Rahu star. Birth sign is correct. 2nd Level check: Birth chart Asc star lord Ven is in Jup star. Time chart Moon starlord Ketu is star lord of Jup. Birth Asc stl is correct 3rd Level check: Birth chart Asc sub lord Moon is in Sun sub. Time chart Moon sub lord is in Sun sub. Birth Asc sbl is correct. Rule of Origin test as suggested by Dr.andrew Dutta. In natal chart, Asc star lord is Venus and

9th cusp star lord also is Venus. Other life events yet to be checked. From the above analysis, original birth chart found to be correct and hence no rectification is made to birth time. With Regards.KP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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December 25, 2007

Dear Friends,Just a quick addition. Attachments are supported by this forum and will be distributed to the members who have opted for 'individual emails'. The attachment can not be found on the web interface.

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swami wrote:

II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu, I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please

check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my

individual ID also on this thread. I am working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail.

After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group. with regards. OM TATSAT------------------------

swami_rcs http://www.kaalvastu.com------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

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Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM

Birth time Rectification

Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on " Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology " .

The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms " Linkage " and " Connectivity " are same.

If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,

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Good News. I stand corrected. good luckPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Friends,Just a quick addition. Attachments are supported by this forum and will be distributed to the members who have opted for 'individual emails'. The attachment can not be found on the web interface. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Dec 23, 2007 1:25 AM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: MEMBERS MAY PLEASE NOTE:NO ATTACHEMNT IS ACCEPED BY THE GROUP-PER SE.IF YOU WANT TO ATTACH ANY DATA-PLEASE ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER AT HIS PERSONAL ID, AND SEND IT swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear KP Naidu, I did not find analysis attached.I get individual mails from group.Please check Was your attachment left out?Your valued attachments is welcome on my individual ID also on this thread. I am

working out on this aspect for sometime.And am aware of Methods taught by Both astrologers quoted in your mail. After i get your analysis ,i will share my understanding on group. with regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs http://www.kaalvastu.com------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - K. P. Naidu Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 AM Birth time Rectification Dear learned KP astrologers,I have checked birth time on the KP system as suggested by sri Raghundharao and Dr.andrew Dutta in their articles on "Rectification of Birth Time thru KP Astrology". The analysis nis attached.I request the learned KP astrologers to kindly let me know whether my analysis is correct, if not where and how went wrong may kindly be suggested.Also kindly let me know whether the the terms "Linkage" and "Connectivity" are same. If same conjunction within 3deg 33 min, aspect and agency rule to be taken into consideration or not for linkage.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar

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Hello,

This article from Sreenadh ji is very informative.

I am looking for some help, I have one question. I appreciate if any

one of you can answer this.

>>>

If a child is born in Odd Yama [M]-Earth Tatwa [M]-Air Antara [F] it

would be a Boy.

Similarly,

Even Yama [F]-Water Tatwa [F]-Air Antara [F] = Girl.

Odd Yama[F]- Air Tatwa [F]-Water Antara[F] = Girl

Odd Yama[F]- Fire Tatwa [M]-Air Antara[F] = Boy

Sky Yama[M]- Air Tatwa [F]-Earth Antara[F] = Boy

>>>

In the above note you have, what is the general principle for

determining boy or girl ?

Odd Yama[F]- Air Tatwa [F]-Water Antara[F] = Girl

Odd Yama[F]- Fire Tatwa [M]-Air Antara[F] = Boy

Here you are saying Odd Yama is Female, but Odd Yama is supposed to be

considered male as per your theory given below.

>> Sky Yama[M]- Air Tatwa [F]-Earth Antara[F] = Boy

What is sky Yama ? If I take it as odd yama, for example, how does

this indicate Boy? Trying to get the basic principle, because I am

trying to figure out all the combinations.

Thank you very much,

venkat

vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid wrote:

>

> I am posting a short article on pancha tatwa method. Hope atleat some

> will bebefit from it.

> Pancha Tatwa method

> ===================

> Earth, Water, Air, Fire, Sky are the 5 Tatwas (Pancha Bhoothas). 1/8

> th part of the day/night is called Yama.

> Therefore 1 Yama = 12 hrs/8 = 1 hrs 30 min. = 90 min.

> The Yamas are classified as Oja/Yuga (Odd/Even).

> Odd Yamas : 1, 3, 5, 7

> Even Yamas : 2, 4, 6, 8

> In every Yama the 5 Tatwas are supposed to rise in succession. In Odd

> Yama it starts with Earth and in Even Yama it starts with Sky (i.e. In

> reverse order).

> Odd Yama : Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Sky

> Even Yama : Sky, Air, Fire, Water, Earth

> The time period allotted for each Tatwa is:

> Earth : 30 min

> Water : 24 min

> Fire : 18 min

> Air : 12 min

> Sky : 6 min

> It is true only when the length of day is 12 hrs. When the day/night

> length changes necessary changes should be made in the time span

> allotted to each Tatwa as well. Each Tatwa period (period allotted to

> each Tatwa) can be again subdivided into 5, and Antara Tatwas

> (Antharas) can be calculated. The order of calculating antharas in

> each Tatwa period is given below:

> Earth : Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Sky

> Water : Water, Fire, Air, Sky, Earth

> Fire : Fire, Air, Sky, Earth, Water

> Air : Air, Sky, Earth, Water, Fire

> Sky : Sky, Earth, Water, Fire, Air

>

> Why all this mathematical exercise? The theory is that:

>

> -----------------------------

> | Birth will happen only in the Tatwa period allotted to Air |

> | (Vayu boothodaya) or its anthara tatwa period in any other |

> | Tatwa period. |

> -----------------------------

>

> An analysis of the system reveals the following facts:

> 1) Pancha Tatwa theory coupled with Yama concept as applied here

> shows the rhythm of the day.

> 2) Another primary assumption that seems to be considered is that

> 'the rise of Air Tatwa (Vayu bhoothodaya) is necessary for the birth

> to take place'.

>

> What could the reasons for the second assumption? In Yanjnchavalkya

> smrithi we can see the following statement.

> Navame desame vapi prebalaiH soothi maruthaiH

> NiHsaryathe Bana Iva Yenthra Chidrena saJwaraH

> Meaning, in the 9th or 10th month, prompted by Soothi Vayu (Air

> Tatwa), the child is thrown out (through the vagina) like an arrow

> that comes out through a hole.

>

> It is possible that, it is this ancient reference in the smrithi that

> caused the concept of Vayu boothodaya to get associated with birth.

> (It is only a historical possibility, I am not sure)

> But what ever that be, the Kerala and Tamil astrologers stick to the

> concept that the rise of Air Tatwa is a must for the birth to take

> place. If the given birth time is not in Air Tatwa or Air Anthara

> necessary adjustment is done so as to move it to the air Tatwa or air

> anthara.

> (An example may clarify the calculations, but as it will take much

> time and effort I had restricted myself only to presenting the theory

> of Pancha Tatwa method)

>

> Whether boy or girl? (Analysis by Pancha Tatwa method)

> -------------------

> As I said earlier the Yamas are classified as Odd and Even.

> Odd - Male

> Even - Female

> Now each Tatwa also comes under the same classification of Odd and

> Even.

> Earth - Odd - Male

> Water - Even - Female

> Fire - Odd - Male

> Air - Even - Female

> Sky - Odd - Male

> [Let us use the notation M for Male and F for Female]

>

> If a child is born in Odd Yama [M]-Earth Tatwa [M]-Air Antara [F] it

> would be a Boy.

>

> Similarly,

> Even Yama [F]-Water Tatwa [F]-Air Antara [F] = Girl.

> Odd Yama[F]- Air Tatwa [F]-Water Antara[F] = Girl

> Odd Yama[F]- Fire Tatwa [M]-Air Antara[F] = Boy

> Sky Yama[M]- Air Tatwa [F]-Earth Antara[F] = Boy

> Remember birth can take place either in Air Tatwa period or in Air

> Antara.

>

> One sloka in Uthara kalamritha gives the above concept (followed in

> Kerala and Tamilnadu) without considering the Odd/Even variation of

> Yama. For the sake of scholers who are interested in old quotes I

> will supply the same.

> Yedvabheeshta ghatisthada vikhatikasthaschasvi hrith seshatho

> BanelaH kha gunascha bana nigama shashtischa banadrayaH

> Sudha sta vikhateeH kremannaravadhoo pum stryadi bhedaH smritho

> (Uthara kalamritham)

> Ps: At times birth time is altered even up to 10 or more min just to

> move it to the Air Tatwa or Antara period. To what extend this could

> be accepted? It is a qn the scholars should answer. The absence of

> classical references concerning this system raises questions on the

> acceptability of this system. If included in s/w like JHora we could

> do research on the acceptability of this method.

>

> With warm regards,

> Sreenadh

> vedic astrology , Bharat Hindu Astrology

> <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh

> >

> > I missed that out in your original post. They are the same.

> >

> > thanks and regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 10/3/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharah,

> > > Do you mean that Pancha tatwa method and Pancha Boothodaya methods

> > > are different? I thought they are the same! Did I make a mistake?

> > > Please clarify.

> > > With love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > Do you

> > > vedic astrology , Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > There is a method of tatwa - antartattwa for birth time

> > > rectification too.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 10/1/05, Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I have seen many asking and arguing on the birth time

> > > rectification

> > > > > methods. One shouldn't run away from such vital questions. Let

> me

> > > > > share my humble understanding on the subject. I have searched

> the

> > > > > classics and other books and this is what I could find.

> > > > > What is birth time?

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > 1) If Seerishodaya sign - head, if Prishtodaya sign - feet, if

> > > > > Ubhayodaya sign - hand. i.e. The coming out of head, feet or

> hand

> > > > > could be considered as the time of birth accordingly

> considering

> > > the

> > > > > Asc sign at birth time. (One sloka in Saravali supports this

> view)

> > > > > 2) Time of Garbhodhodaka Sruthi - breaking time of placenta.

> > > (Brihat

> > > > > sounaka hora)

> > > > > 3) The coming out of head, feet or hand could be considered as

> the

> > > > > time of birth irrespective of the Asc sign at birth time.

> (Garga

> > > > > jathakam)

> > > > > 4) The time of cutting of Umbilical cord (No classics supports

> > > this

> > > > > view)

> > > > > 5) The time of first breath (No classics supports this view)

> > > > > 6) The time of first cry (No classics supports this view)

> > > > > 7) Adhana time (Saravali and Lakhujathakam supports this view)

> > > > > 8) Laladodayam - The time at which forehead of the child is

> seen

> > > > > (Saravali)

> > > > > 9) Bhoosparsa - The time at which the child touches the earth

> > > > > (Saravali)

> > > > > 10) Any time that is tightly related to the person can be

> taken to

> > > > > predict his future - conclusion drawn by considering all the

> above

> > > > > views. (There are systems for predicting future by considering

> the

> > > > > first menses period and the time of marriage. This also

> supports

> > > this

> > > > > view)

> > > > > Mathematical methods to correct birth time

> > > > > ---------

> > > > > 1) Kunda Multiplication method - Asc x 81 (Presnamarga,

> > > > > Presnareethi, Varaha hora, Sounaka hora)

> > > > > 2) Navamsa Dwadesamsa method - Asc x 108 (Varaha hora, Brihath

> > > > > prajapathyam)

> > > > > 3) Navamsa - Asc x 9 (Sounaka hora)

> > > > > 4) Dwadesamsa - Asc x 12 (Brihath prajapathyam)

> > > > > 5) Varga Chathushtaya - Joined use of methods 1-2-3-4.

> > > (Presnamarga,

> > > > > Presnarathna, Skanda hora)

> > > > > 6) Pancha Boothodaya - Pancha tatwa method (Yanjcha valkya

> > > smrithi,

> > > > > Regular use of this theory by ancient astrologers, Some slokas

> in

> > > > > Uthara kalamritha also initiates thoughts in these lines)

> > > > > 7) Use of nirayana longitude of Sun - It is long calculation

> > > method

> > > > > (Presnamarga)

> > > > > 8) Ghati-vighati at birth time - It is also another

> calculation

> > > > > method (Uthara kalamritha)

> > > > > 9) Sookshma hora - Asc x 972 (Presnasara, One sloka of

> Saravali is

> > > > > also at times quoted as supportive of this)

> > > > > 10) Nadi system - Method not clearly stated (Chandrakala nadi,

> > > > > Sphujidhwaja hora also initiates thoughts in these lines)

> > > > > Methods to verify whether Asc is correct

> > > > > -------

> > > > > 1) Using Gulika (Presnarathna, Presna samgraha, Jathaka

> parijatha,

> > > > > Presnasara, Phaladeepika)

> > > > > 2) Using Pranapada (Jyothisha Rathnakaram)

> > > > > 3) Using Mandi (Jathaka parijatha, Brihath jathaka padhathi,

> > > > > Phaladeepika, Uthara kalamritham)

> > > > > 4) Using Trisputa (Presnamarga)

> > > > > This is the essence of what I could find. i.e. Totally there

> are

> > > 10

> > > > > arguments as to what is birth time, of which the 10th is the

> most

> > > > > acceptable one. 10 methods for birth time rectification and 4

> > > methods

> > > > > for cross checking and verifying whether Asc sign is correct.

> Of

> > > the

> > > > > birth time rectification methods Varga chathushtaya method is

> the

> > > most

> > > > > supported one by classics. Even though there is not slokas

> that

> > > > > supports Pancha tatwa method it some how gets special

> reputation

> > > by

> > > > > the learned scholars (for example both PVR and Chandrahari are

> > > > > supportive of this method)

> > > > > As an elaborate discussion of all these methods will take much

> > > time,

> > > > > space and effort, I humbly request the learned scholars who

> are

> > > well

> > > > > versed in any of these methods to explain each in detail, for

> the

> > > > > benefit of others. Concerning Kunda calculation I have

> explained

> > > my

> > > > > views earlier, and certainly ready to share my thoughts on

> other

> > > > > methods as time permits, if many are ready to share this

> effort of

> > > > > explaining all these methods to the benefit of learners and

> > > seekers.

> > > > >

> > > > > With warm regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

>

August 12, 2008

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrologyRe: BTR by a KP Student"Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:58 AM

Dear Rao Ji,

Thank you for the response. I expected something from

Mr.Dhanapalan - the purpose of his collection and study of text

material on The Rahu/Kethu's signification. (Or was it all yours?) It's

alright. To the point, now.

Your formula, as said, Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord

seems to be very precise and "Congrats to you on the success rate you

get out of it". Just go along with it. Don't be disturbed by my

intervention.

May I put a question: 'Do you put it in the order as it shows above,

or do they - the Moon's (more stable) Starlord + Sublord - get

interchanged in Asc's position as Asc. Sublord + SS lord. i.e. whether

Asc. Sublord can be Moon's Starlord OR Moon's

Sublord, or do you want it to be the same as Moon's Starlord.. I

suppose the latter is your choice. That's good if I have understood

you correctly. Well, anyway, go ahead.

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by

way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our

Guruji. Yes, I do accept. But WHY? I had this question in the year

2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

"HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."

"In any manner" - not very precisely as you mean it should be, Rao Ji. I don't mean any harm by my words. Don't mistake me. Bye now! will be back soon!

MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Fw: BTR by a KP Student"Mohan Kumar" <kpmk_astrologyWednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Mohan Kumar,

Am keenly looking forward to your formula which you have promised to post to the group...

Best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrologyThursday, 31 July, 2008 12:15:00 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student

Dear Mohan Kumar,

I have been working with the theory

that if the Ascendant sub-lord appears as the Moon's star-lord,the TOB

is correct...and have slightly modified it to say..."If the

sublord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Moon's

St.lord and sub-lord,respectively,such a TOB is the exact one upto the

fraction of a minute..."

This has given me remarkable

success...in atleast 90 - 95 % of cases,provided the TOB given for

correction is within + or - 30 minutes from the actual TOB...

Am looking forward to your formula which you say is more accurate...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrologyYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 8:34:36 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Friends,Pranams to GURUJI KSK AND ALL STALWARTS OF KP ASTRLOGY. My respects toall KP seniors and my best wishes to all junior aspirants.Let me join your group and share my points. I am MOHAN KUMAR.R.Pleasecall me just 'MK'. At Salem, the secrets of KP has been lying under sofar. Now it is goona come out. get ready to cherish the fruits of thesecrets.I have researched and developed a "KP-MK Formula for Birth TimeVerification" and predictions thereof, based on KP principles. My NewTheory (Modified Theory, rather) by name "KP-MK FORMULA"with "CUSPALPOINT SIGNIFICATIONS" extended upto

Sub-Sub-Sub (SSS) level is doingreal wonders in practice. This is with me for the last FOUR YEARS. Nowis the time to bring it out for the betterment of the science of KPAstrology.I'll do it slowly in due course. Can any one explain "WHY DO WE RELATETHE LAGNA SUBLORD WITH THE MOON SIGNLORD OR STARLORD, SO TO SAY?" HOWMANY OF YOU ARE CONFIDENT OR AT LEAST CLEAR ENOUGH WITH A LOGIC TO DOSO? PL COME OUT WITH A OPEN HEART AND BE BROAD-MINDED TO ACCEPT ANYTHINGTHAT HAS SOME MEANING- A REAL MEANING.Shri.M.P.Shanmugam's Birth Time Verification formula is the eye openerin this regard.Shri.KSK's Sublord, Dr.KAR's MST Formulas, Shri. Khullar's (or is itShri.K.Bhaskaran's really) Cuspal Interlinks are all wonders in theirown dimensions. But, how far have we all understood each one. Whateach of it lacks? How to fill in the blanks in those theories?

Let'sgive a try.GOD BE WITH US.In anticipation, I remain a humble man of KP Astrology.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear members In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr.KSK says like this, “It is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parent’s charts.” Though it is Mr.KSK’s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line. Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forum’s group discussion for easy reference. Dhanabalan ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other.. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.) ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------- Accuracy of Birth time (Jun 25, 2005 10:19am) The KP system requires that the birth time be indicated very accurately to get correct predictions. This requirement stems from the fact the Bhava cusp lord would decide whether the native would get desirable results from that Bhava. As a result of this if the birth time is not accurate the predicted result may be 100% wrong. There has been very intense discussion at this forum regarding birth time rectification. Two methods were discussed and conclusion was that the moon connection to Lagna was totally unreliable. The other method discussed was based on Ruling Planets. I am personally not for this method as this is likely to give different results if the same method is repeated at different points of time. The greatest handicap in astrological predictions is the difficulty in reproduction of results for experiments conducted under identical conditions. One suggestion was to check the birth time with respect to mothers chart. This would require that mothers chart would have to be rectified. Then we will have to look at mother's mother's chart…..! This is obviously not practicable. The other suggestion that came in the forum from many a member is to check the birth time with respect to life events. Though this appears to be the best method, it has its fare share of difficulties. First is the difficulty in choosing an event that would take place in majority of people, which would take place at as early age as possible. The second difficulty is that this method cannot be chosen for babies that are just born. In any case, the last method appears to be most practicable and accurate, provided we are able standardize some events and method to verify the same. What is the accuracy required? The fastest moving point in the zodiac is the Lagna. Sun as Lagna sub lord will prevail for the shortest time. All Lagnas are not of equal duration. Meena Lagna is just about 90 minutes in duration. That is, for the Lagna to advance by one degree of longitude it would take only 3 minutes. That is, the shortest cusp duration (that of Sun, the cusp longitudinal distance of 40') will be only 2 minutes. Two minutes of difference can change the cusp from Sun either to Venus or Moon. Hence, when Moon or Venus is cusp lord of any Bhava, KP astrologer should become alert towards the birth time even more. Considering that the accuracy required is very crucial to correct predictions, I think that we should continue the discussions and arrive at a list of events and an agreed method to verify these events. Otherwise, there is always the danger of we misleading our clients. The events may have to be chosen which have relevance to different Bhavas, and check with the cusp lords for their correctness. This may be easier said than done, but since there are many experienced members in the forum, finding correct birth time might still be a good possibility. I request the enlightened members to give their views. Regards, Udupa T he following were also noted by some members: 1) Since birth time is crucial to prediction based on natal charts, horary is generally preferred in a majority of the cases. 2) In addition to life events, one can also use personality traits and physical characteristics to rectify birth time. I feel that even if we are not able to apply event-based rectification to babies, to the extent the technique is applicable, we should perfect it and apply it in those cases where it is applicable. I feel sad that even after so many years we have not found a reliable technique (other than RP). Regards, Rangarajan ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- On the issue of Birth time rectification , Mr.Gondhalekar mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP methodology. The success rate has been around 80%, and was happy with this level. He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- @gro ups.com, GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN Dear members, My purpose in putting up this case of rectifiction on the board is ,as I have already stated, because different timings ranging from 8-12 A.M to 8-30 A.M have been given as corrected birthtime by astrologers to whom the case was referred for clarification. So I was in a fix and sought refuge in this forum for eliciting the correct reply. I heartily thank the senior astrologers for having spared their valuable time in analysing this birth rectification question,and giving their views and observations. It may be observed that the replies are as under: My problem remains unsolved. Anant Raichur..... 8-14.A.M Kanak Bosmia...8-20. A.M (also given 8-15 and 8-17 as correct) Ron Gaunt .......8-12- 28 A.M. Unfortunately, here also there is no general agreement on the correct time of birth, which makes the position still confusing. Does it mean that our rules for birth rectification are not fully reliable?. I request someone in the forum to crack this hard nut by giving me onlyone answer for this porblem. G.Subramanian ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- For best Result of Birth Rectification as per our Guruji Mr krishnamoorthy, the lagna sublord should be coincided with the Moon Transiting Star or Sub , that is when u are urging to find out these Thinks in the Ruling planet ie is at present moment . ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer Book " SECRETS OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road , Chhennai 600 002 " according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.( ksk himself wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i dont remember no: and Page No.) frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet asc for that time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case. i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal view . ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- dear sri nemani raghunath rao garu, i am very happy to see your research paper on birth time rectification (btr). hitherto i have come across the following methods for birth time rectification on different forums/books. 1 rp method: (sri kanakji n sri rangarajan krishnamurthy has submitted their research papers with 300 aa rated birth charts) rp moon should tally with birth ascendant and rp ascendent should tally with birth moon. 2 sri shnmugam’s method (sri. rangarajan has made research reg.connection from aa rated charts) birth asc. star lord/ sub lord should have a connection with birth moon star/sub. apart from this blood relations (relatives) birth stars should be tallied with the relavent cusps eg. mother, father, spouse, elder brother, younger brother, first child, second child, etc, 3. gender method (sri c.kadirivelu) wherein lagna gender of the baby, 4th cusp mother, 9th cusp father plus any other relatives who's genders would tally with relavent cusp str.lord or sub lord or the preceding planets in whose star lords/sublords there are tenated. 4. sri andrew’s btr - apart from rp method the rule of origin that is 9th cusp star lord/sub lord should have a connection with first cusp. 5. sri kundanthai nathan btr - wherein 9th csl have connection with either sun/jupiter/ venus who are karekas for human births. 6 sri nemani's method of btr: now brought up for verification. in your method rp moon sign/star/sub lords should have a connecton with birth asc. sign/star/sub lords. no natal chart should be taken for connection. third party connection that is asc sign/star/sub lords in a star or sub of another planet who is tenated in the star/sub of rp moon. i request the forum members should enlighten the other members with their experiences and practical experiences. regards ovn murthy hyderabad www.saibhavishyavan i.com ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- NEW APPROACH TO BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION By Subhash Ektare 4090 Crandall Cir. Santa Clara , California USA In recent past two papers were published on this subject. They are: 1. Birth_Time_Rectific ation_Article By Dr. Andrew Dutta published in June 2007 issue of Express Star Teller 2. Rectification of Birth Time using Ruling Planets (Krishnamurthy Padhdhati) Ver. 2.0 by Mr.. Raghunath Rao Nemani which is available in file section of @ . Both of the authors have done commendable work. Presentation is Excellent. Step by step explanation makes it self explanatory and can be easily understood even by newcomer. Methods are similar in approach except that Dr. Dutta uses Natal Chart for establishing the linkage between planets while Mr. Nemani uses Chart at the time of Judgment. However Dr.Andrew Dutta had introduced an innovative Rule of Origin to test the accuracy of the corrected birth time. Hats off to him. On detailed study of these methods I would like to share my observations with everybody. These are my personal opinions, which may be wrong. And I hope that these observations may not be mistaken as criticism. a) Rectification up to sub level gives a variation of around 3 to 20 minutes. This variation can be reduced by taking sub-sub level into consideration. b) Only RP Moon is considered while correcting Natal Ascendant. Other stronger RPs i.e. Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord could have been put to effective use for rectification. c) There is no doubt that the Moon is the fastest moving Planet. But movement of Lagna (Ascendant) is 25 to 28 times faster than that of Moon. In this process of rectification, the longitude of the Natal Ascendant (fast moving body) is being corrected with the help of longitude of the RP Moon (comparatively much slow moving body). In my opinion the process should be reverse. After giving due weightage to all these points, I would like to present a simple and reliable technique for birth time rectification. It is explained in following paragraphs. Step 1. Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RP Ascendant and RP Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whom Rahu/Ketu represent. Step 2 Calculate the position of Natal Moon at unrectified birth time up to sub-sub level. Then with the help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitude of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RP Ascendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon (comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling Planets – ascendant sign lord and ascendant star lord- are used in correcting the birth time. Step 3 Corresponding to this corrected Natal moon position find out the Natal Ascendant(s) . Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Here we are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets- Moon sign lord and the star lord- to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when this ascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Birth time correction These are very important but generally we neglect these points. The moment you sit for to do the rectifications of a person, pl check the time chart of that moment. If Moon signifies 6th, 8th & 12th houses then don’t do the rectification on that time, stop your calculation, do it any other time or any other day.. Because that calculation, what you have started, does not give you the right answer. So wait for the right moment. Clarify: Will you pl elaborate on " Moon signifies 6th, 8 & 12 " ? whehter all the three houses, or any two out of three or any one of the three to be signified by Moon ? Signification upto what level ? sign, star, sub sub sub ? whether conjunction and aspect also to be considered for signification ? What should be orbit range 3.33deg or hindu aspect and conjunction ? Yes you are right , when Moon will Signifying any two of the 6th,8th & 12th, and it's upto the Sign and Star level. If any planet, basically the outer planets, aspect( hindu aspect) on Moon and that (outer) planet signifying any two of these houses then also the time will be negetive. Orbit range is 3.33degree. If any way Moon signifying any two of these three abd aspect or conjunct with any planets who is signifying any two of these three then the time is negetive, so , don't continue the calculation on that time. Pl do it some other time when your time will be positive. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Dear Tranquas, That is precisely why I personally match the Lagna sub and sub-sub to appear as Moon's st.lord,and sub-lord respectively. ..which ensures correction upto the level of seconds,further accuracy upto can be obtained by extending upto the level of sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant.... .and so on... L.Y.Rao. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

August 12, 2008

Dear sri Dhanabalan Ji,

Lot of discussion on this subject took place in this group, but there is no unity on BTR theory. Becaue every theory claims by the its practioners giving successful results upto 80 to 85%. God only knows the Truth. Becaue many KP astrologers are safely and conveniently resorting to Horary method for predictions. The fact is that Vedic Astrologers mostly follow Natal charts for reading as well as for predictions, accuracy of birth time is not that much important as in KP.

I also raised this question but no satisfactory / convincing response.

Regards.

N aidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 12/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 12:19 PM

Dear members

In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr.KSK says like this,

â€œIt is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parentâ€™s charts.â€

Though it is Mr.KSKâ€™s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line.

Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forumâ€™s group discussion for easy reference.

Dhanabalan

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

"The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------

Accuracy of Birth time (Jun 25, 2005 10:19am)

The KP system requires that the birth time be indicated very accurately to get correct predictions. This requirement stems from the fact the Bhava cusp lord would decide whether the native would get desirable results from that Bhava. As a result of this if the birth time is not accurate the predicted result may be 100% wrong.

There has been very intense discussion at this forum regarding birth time rectification. Two methods were discussed and conclusion was that the moon connection to Lagna was totally unreliable. The other method discussed was based on Ruling Planets. I am personally not for this method as this is likely to give different results if the same method is repeated at different points of time. The greatest handicap in astrological predictions is the difficulty in reproduction of results for experiments conducted under identical conditions.

One suggestion was to check the birth time with respect to mothers chart. This would require that mothers chart would have to be rectified. Then we will have to look at mother's mother's chartâ€¦..! This is obviously not practicable.

The other suggestion that came in the forum from many a member is to check the birth time with respect to life events. Though this appears to be the best method, it has its fare share of difficulties. First is the difficulty in choosing an event that would take place in majority of people, which would take place at as early age as possible. The second difficulty is that this method cannot be chosen for babies that are just born.

In any case, the last method appears to be most practicable and accurate, provided we are able standardize some events and method to verify the same.

What is the accuracy required? The fastest moving point in the zodiac is the Lagna. Sun as Lagna sub lord will prevail for the shortest time. All Lagnas are not of equal duration. Meena Lagna is just about 90 minutes in duration. That is, for the Lagna to advance by one degree of longitude it would take only 3 minutes. That is, the shortest cusp duration (that of Sun, the cusp longitudinal distance of 40') will be only 2 minutes. Two minutes of difference can change the cusp from Sun either to Venus or Moon. Hence, when Moon or Venus is cusp lord of any Bhava, KP astrologer should become alert towards the birth time even more.

Considering that the accuracy required is very crucial to correct predictions, I think that we should continue the discussions and arrive at a list of events and an agreed method to verify these events. Otherwise, there is always the danger of we misleading our clients.

The events may have to be chosen which have relevance to different Bhavas, and check with the cusp lords for their correctness. This may be easier said than done, but since there are many experienced members in the forum, finding correct birth time might still be a good possibility.

I request the enlightened members to give their views. Regards, Udupa

T he following were also noted by some members:

1) Since birth time is crucial to prediction based on natal charts, horary is generally preferred in a majority of the cases.

2) In addition to life events, one can also use personality traits and physical characteristics to rectify birth time.

I feel that even if we are not able to apply event-based rectification to babies, to the extent the technique is applicable, we should perfect it and apply it in those cases where it is applicable. I feel sad that even after so many years we have not found a reliable technique (other than RP). Regards, Rangarajan

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

On the issue of Birth time rectification , Mr.Gondhalekar mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP methodology. The success rate has been around 80%, and was happy with this level. He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

@gro ups.com, GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN

Dear members,

My purpose in putting up this case of rectifiction on the board is ,as I have already stated, because different timings ranging from 8-12 A.M to 8-30 A.M have been given as corrected birthtime by astrologers to whom the case was referred for clarification. So I was in a fix and sought refuge in this forum for eliciting the correct reply.

I heartily thank the senior astrologers for having spared their valuable time in analysing this birth rectification question,and giving their views and observations. It may be observed that the replies are as under: My problem remains unsolved.

Anant Raichur..... 8-14.A.M

Kanak Bosmia...8-20. A.M (also given 8-15 and 8-17 as correct)

Ron Gaunt .......8-12- 28 A.M.

Unfortunately, here also there is no general agreement on the correct time of birth, which makes the position still confusing. Does it mean that our rules for birth rectification are not fully reliable?. I request someone in the forum to crack this hard nut by giving me onlyone answer for this porblem.

G.Subramanian

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---

For best Result of Birth Rectification as per our Guruji Mr krishnamoorthy, the lagna sublord should be coincided with the Moon Transiting Star or Sub , that is when u are urging to find out these Thinks in the Ruling planet ie is at present moment .

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---

i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer Book " SECRETS

OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road ,

Chhennai 600 002 "

according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.( ksk himself

wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i dont remember no: and

Page No.)

frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet asc for that

time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal view .

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dear sri nemani raghunath rao garu,

i am very happy to see your research paper on birth time rectification (btr). hitherto i have come across the following methods for birth time rectification on different forums/books.

1 rp method: (sri kanakji n sri rangarajan krishnamurthy has submitted their research papers with 300 aa rated birth charts)

rp moon should tally with birth ascendant and rp ascendent should tally with birth moon.

2 sri shnmugamâ€™s method (sri. rangarajan has made research reg.connection from aa rated charts)

birth asc. star lord/ sub lord should have a connection with birth moon star/sub. apart from this blood relations (relatives) birth stars should be tallied with the relavent cusps eg. mother, father, spouse, elder brother, younger brother, first child, second child, etc,

3. gender method (sri c.kadirivelu)

wherein lagna gender of the baby, 4th cusp mother, 9th cusp father plus any other relatives who's genders would tally with relavent cusp str.lord or sub lord or the preceding planets in whose star lords/sublords there are tenated.

4. sri andrewâ€™s btr - apart from rp method the rule of origin that is 9th cusp star lord/sub lord should have a connection with first cusp.

5. sri kundanthai nathan btr - wherein 9th csl have connection with either sun/jupiter/ venus who are karekas for human births.

6 sri nemani's method of btr: now brought up for verification.

in your method rp moon sign/star/sub lords should have a connecton with birth asc. sign/star/sub lords. no natal chart should be taken for connection. third party connection that is asc sign/star/sub lords in a star or sub of another planet who is tenated in the star/sub of rp moon.

i request the forum members should enlighten the other members with their experiences and practical experiences.

regards

ovn murthy hyderabad www.saibhavishyavan i.com

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NEW APPROACH TO BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION

By Subhash Ektare 4090 Crandall Cir. Santa Clara , California USA

In recent past two papers were published on this subject. They are:

1. Birth_Time_Rectific ation_Article By Dr. Andrew Dutta published in June 2007 issue of Express Star Teller

2. Rectification of Birth Time using Ruling Planets (Krishnamurthy Padhdhati) Ver. 2.0 by Mr. Raghunath Rao Nemani which is available in file section of @ . Both of the authors have done commendable work. Presentation is Excellent. Step by step explanation makes it self explanatory and can be easily understood even by newcomer. Methods are similar in approach except that Dr. Dutta uses Natal Chart for establishing the linkage between planets while Mr. Nemani uses Chart at the time of Judgment. However Dr.Andrew Dutta had introduced an innovative Rule of Origin to test the accuracy of the corrected birth time. Hats off to him. On detailed study of these methods I would like to share my observations with everybody. These are my personal opinions, which may be wrong. And I hope that these observations may not be mistaken as criticism.

a) Rectification up to sub level gives a variation of around 3 to 20 minutes. This variation

can be reduced by taking sub-sub level into consideration.

b) Only RP Moon is considered while correcting Natal Ascendant. Other stronger RPs i.e.

Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord could have been put to effective use for

rectification.

c) There is no doubt that the Moon is the fastest moving Planet. But movement of Lagna

(Ascendant) is 25 to 28 times faster than that of Moon. In this process of rectification, the

longitude of the Natal Ascendant (fast moving body) is being corrected with the help of

longitude of the RP Moon (comparatively much slow moving body). In my opinion the

process should be reverse.

After giving due weightage to all these points, I would like to present a simple and reliable technique for birth time rectification. It is explained in following paragraphs.

Step 1.

Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RP Ascendant and RP

Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whom Rahu/Ketu represent.

Step 2

Calculate the position of Natal Moon at unrectified birth time up to sub-sub level. Then with the help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitude of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RP Ascendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon (comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling Planets â€“ ascendant sign lord and ascendant star lord- are used in correcting the birth time.

Step 3

Corresponding to this corrected Natal moon position find out the Natal Ascendant(s) . Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Here we are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets- Moon sign lord and the star lord- to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when this ascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time.

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Birth time correction

These are very important but generally we neglect these points.

The moment you sit for to do the rectifications of a person, pl check the time chart of that moment. If Moon signifies 6th, 8th & 12th houses then donâ€™t do the rectification on that time, stop your calculation, do it any other time or any other day. Because that calculation, what you have started, does not give you the right answer. So wait for the right moment.

Clarify: Will you pl elaborate on " Moon signifies 6th, 8 & 12 " ? whehter all the three houses, or any two out of three or any one of the three to be signified by Moon ? Signification upto what level ? sign, star, sub sub sub ? whether conjunction and aspect also to be considered for signification ? What should be orbit range 3.33deg or hindu aspect and conjunction ?

Yes you are right , when Moon will Signifying any two of the 6th,8th & 12th, and it's upto the Sign and Star level. If any planet, basically the outer planets, aspect( hindu aspect) on Moon and that (outer) planet signifying any two of these houses then also the time will be negetive. Orbit range is 3.33degree. If any way Moon signifying any two of these three abd aspect or conjunct with any planets who is signifying any two of these three then the time is negetive, so , don't continue the calculation on that time. Pl do it some other time when your time will be positive.

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Dear Tranquas,

That is precisely why I personally match the Lagna sub and sub-sub to appear as Moon's st.lord,and sub-lord respectively. ..which ensures correction upto the level of seconds,further accuracy upto can be obtained by extending upto the level of sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant... .and so on...

L.Y.Rao.

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Dear Sir,

I am member of this group since last@ four month.basically I am civil engineer working in Dubai as factory manager.

I have some confusion regarding my birth time.

As per the information it is in between 20:15 to 20:45.

when I checked it through the method 1) Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord it comes 20:18:30.when I checked it through 2) RP it gives me 20:43:03.

I checked three time by RP. it gives me VIRGO LAGNA. while by method one it gives me LEO LAGNA. I am studying Kp since last 4 years before that I was practisizing only on vedic.

please flash some light on my correct birth time.

events say that I am virgo.

According to data given by hospital and my grand mother(late) it is @ 20:30.

My detail is as follows.

DATE OF BIRTH- 11-02-1971

DOB- Between 20:15 TO 20:45

PLACE- BURHANPUR MP 21N18; 76E08.

Some of event details

Marrage- 27/01/2005

baby(girl) birth-19/09/2006

FIRST Dubai arrival- 14/01/2006

gone back to India-02/03/2006

Second dubai job-07/02/2007 tiil now

So many hurddles in education ( B.E. civil) done in 1997 ,failed two time.

Eldest in family, No sister , two brothers.

please confirm it.I would be very thanksfull to all my senior members of group.

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrologyRe: Birth time rectification Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:00 AM

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student"Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:58 AM

Dear Rao Ji,

Thank you for the response. I expected something from Mr.Dhanapalan - the purpose of his collection and study of text material on The Rahu/Kethu's signification. (Or was it all yours?) It's alright. To the point, now.

Your formula, as said, Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord seems to be very precise and "Congrats to you on the success rate you get out of it". Just go along with it.. Don't be disturbed by my intervention.

May I put a question: 'Do you put it in the order as it shows above, or do they - the Moon's (more stable) Starlord + Sublord - get interchanged in Asc's position as Asc. Sublord + SS lord.. i.e. whether Asc. Sublord can be Moon's Starlord OR Moon's Sublord, or do you want it to be the same as Moon's Starlord.. I suppose the latter is your choice. That's good if I have understood you correctly. Well, anyway, go ahead.

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our Guruji. Yes, I do accept. But WHY? I had this question in the year 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

"HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."

"In any manner" - not very precisely as you mean it should be, Rao Ji. I don't mean any harm by my words. Don't mistake me. Bye now! will be back soon!

MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Fw: BTR by a KP Student"Mohan Kumar" <kpmk_astrology@ >Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Mohan Kumar,

Am keenly looking forward to your formula which you have promised to post to the group...

Best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ >Thursday, 31 July, 2008 12:15:00 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student

Dear Mohan Kumar,

I have been working with the theory that if the Ascendant sub-lord appears as the Moon's star-lord,the TOB is correct...and have slightly modified it to say..."If the sublord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Moon's St.lord and sub-lord,respective ly,such a TOB is the exact one upto the fraction of a minute...."

This has given me remarkable success...in atleast 90 - 95 % of cases,provided the TOB given for correction is within + or - 30 minutes from the actual TOB...

Am looking forward to your formula which you say is more accurate...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 8:34:36 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Friends,Pranams to GURUJI KSK AND ALL STALWARTS OF KP ASTRLOGY. My respects toall KP seniors and my best wishes to all junior aspirants.Let me join your group and share my points. I am MOHAN KUMAR.R.Pleasecall me just 'MK'. At Salem, the secrets of KP has been lying under sofar. Now it is goona come out. get ready to cherish the fruits of thesecrets.I have researched and developed a "KP-MK Formula for Birth TimeVerification" and predictions thereof, based on KP principles. My NewTheory (Modified Theory, rather) by name "KP-MK FORMULA"with "CUSPALPOINT SIGNIFICATIONS" extended upto

Sub-Sub-Sub (SSS) level is doingreal wonders in practice. This is with me for the last FOUR YEARS. Nowis the time to bring it out for the betterment of the science of KPAstrology.I'll do it slowly in due course. Can any one explain "WHY DO WE RELATETHE LAGNA SUBLORD WITH THE MOON SIGNLORD OR STARLORD, SO TO SAY?" HOWMANY OF YOU ARE CONFIDENT OR AT LEAST CLEAR ENOUGH WITH A LOGIC TO DOSO? PL COME OUT WITH A OPEN HEART AND BE BROAD-MINDED TO ACCEPT ANYTHINGTHAT HAS SOME MEANING- A REAL MEANING.Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s Birth Time Verification formula is the eye openerin this regard.Shri.KSK's Sublord, Dr.KAR's MST Formulas, Shri. Khullar's (or is itShri.K.Bhaskaran' s really) Cuspal Interlinks are all wonders in theirown dimensions. But, how far have we all understood each one. Whateach of it lacks? How to fill in the blanks in those theories?

Let'sgive a try.GOD BE WITH US.In anticipation, I remain a humble man of KP Astrology.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear members

In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr.KSK says like this,

“It is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parent’s charts.”

Though it is Mr.KSK’s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line.

Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forum’s group discussion for easy reference.

Dhanabalan

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"The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other.. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

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Accuracy of Birth time (Jun 25, 2005 10:19am)

The KP system requires that the birth time be indicated very accurately to get correct predictions. This requirement stems from the fact the Bhava cusp lord would decide whether the native would get desirable results from that Bhava. As a result of this if the birth time is not accurate the predicted result may be 100% wrong.

There has been very intense discussion at this forum regarding birth time rectification. Two methods were discussed and conclusion was that the moon connection to Lagna was totally unreliable. The other method discussed was based on Ruling Planets. I am personally not for this method as this is likely to give different results if the same method is repeated at different points of time.. The greatest handicap in astrological predictions is the difficulty in reproduction of results for experiments conducted under identical conditions.

One suggestion was to check the birth time with respect to mothers chart. This would require that mothers chart would have to be rectified. Then we will have to look at mother's mother's chart…..! This is obviously not practicable.

The other suggestion that came in the forum from many a member is to check the birth time with respect to life events. Though this appears to be the best method, it has its fare share of difficulties. First is the difficulty in choosing an event that would take place in majority of people, which would take place at as early age as possible. The second difficulty is that this method cannot be chosen for babies that are just born.

In any case, the last method appears to be most practicable and accurate, provided we are able standardize some events and method to verify the same.

What is the accuracy required? The fastest moving point in the zodiac is the Lagna. Sun as Lagna sub lord will prevail for the shortest time. All Lagnas are not of equal duration. Meena Lagna is just about 90 minutes in duration. That is, for the Lagna to advance by one degree of longitude it would take only 3 minutes. That is, the shortest cusp duration (that of Sun, the cusp longitudinal distance of 40') will be only 2 minutes. Two minutes of difference can change the cusp from Sun either to Venus or Moon. Hence, when Moon or Venus is cusp lord of any Bhava, KP astrologer should become alert towards the birth time even more.

Considering that the accuracy required is very crucial to correct predictions, I think that we should continue the discussions and arrive at a list of events and an agreed method to verify these events. Otherwise, there is always the danger of we misleading our clients.

The events may have to be chosen which have relevance to different Bhavas, and check with the cusp lords for their correctness. This may be easier said than done, but since there are many experienced members in the forum, finding correct birth time might still be a good possibility.

I request the enlightened members to give their views. Regards, Udupa

T he following were also noted by some members:

1) Since birth time is crucial to prediction based on natal charts, horary is generally preferred in a majority of the cases.

2) In addition to life events, one can also use personality traits and physical characteristics to rectify birth time.

I feel that even if we are not able to apply event-based rectification to babies, to the extent the technique is applicable, we should perfect it and apply it in those cases where it is applicable. I feel sad that even after so many years we have not found a reliable technique (other than RP). Regards, Rangarajan

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On the issue of Birth time rectification , Mr.Gondhalekar mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP methodology. The success rate has been around 80%, and was happy with this level. He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

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@gro ups.com, GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN

Dear members,

My purpose in putting up this case of rectifiction on the board is ,as I have already stated, because different timings ranging from 8-12 A.M to 8-30 A.M have been given as corrected birthtime by astrologers to whom the case was referred for clarification. So I was in a fix and sought refuge in this forum for eliciting the correct reply.

I heartily thank the senior astrologers for having spared their valuable time in analysing this birth rectification question,and giving their views and observations. It may be observed that the replies are as under: My problem remains unsolved..

Anant Raichur..... 8-14.A.M

Kanak Bosmia...8-20. A.M (also given 8-15 and 8-17 as correct)

Ron Gaunt .......8-12- 28 A.M.

Unfortunately, here also there is no general agreement on the correct time of birth, which makes the position still confusing. Does it mean that our rules for birth rectification are not fully reliable?. I request someone in the forum to crack this hard nut by giving me onlyone answer for this porblem.

G.Subramanian

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For best Result of Birth Rectification as per our Guruji Mr krishnamoorthy, the lagna sublord should be coincided with the Moon Transiting Star or Sub , that is when u are urging to find out these Thinks in the Ruling planet ie is at present moment .

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i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer Book " SECRETS

OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road ,

Chhennai 600 002 "

according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.( ksk himself

wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i dont remember no: and

Page No.)

frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet asc for that

time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal view .

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

dear sri nemani raghunath rao garu,

i am very happy to see your research paper on birth time rectification (btr). hitherto i have come across the following methods for birth time rectification on different forums/books.

1 rp method: (sri kanakji n sri rangarajan krishnamurthy has submitted their research papers with 300 aa rated birth charts)

rp moon should tally with birth ascendant and rp ascendent should tally with birth moon.

2 sri shnmugam’s method (sri. rangarajan has made research reg.connection from aa rated charts)

birth asc. star lord/ sub lord should have a connection with birth moon star/sub. apart from this blood relations (relatives) birth stars should be tallied with the relavent cusps eg. mother, father, spouse, elder brother, younger brother, first child, second child, etc,

3. gender method (sri c.kadirivelu)

wherein lagna gender of the baby, 4th cusp mother, 9th cusp father plus any other relatives who's genders would tally with relavent cusp str.lord or sub lord or the preceding planets in whose star lords/sublords there are tenated.

4. sri andrew’s btr - apart from rp method the rule of origin that is 9th cusp star lord/sub lord should have a connection with first cusp.

5. sri kundanthai nathan btr - wherein 9th csl have connection with either sun/jupiter/ venus who are karekas for human births.

6 sri nemani's method of btr: now brought up for verification.

in your method rp moon sign/star/sub lords should have a connecton with birth asc. sign/star/sub lords. no natal chart should be taken for connection. third party connection that is asc sign/star/sub lords in a star or sub of another planet who is tenated in the star/sub of rp moon.

i request the forum members should enlighten the other members with their experiences and practical experiences.

regards

ovn murthy hyderabad www.saibhavishyavan i.com

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NEW APPROACH TO BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION

By Subhash Ektare 4090 Crandall Cir. Santa Clara , California USA

In recent past two papers were published on this subject. They are:

1. Birth_Time_Rectific ation_Article By Dr. Andrew Dutta published in June 2007 issue of Express Star Teller

2. Rectification of Birth Time using Ruling Planets (Krishnamurthy Padhdhati) Ver. 2.0 by Mr... Raghunath Rao Nemani which is available in file section of @ . Both of the authors have done commendable work. Presentation is Excellent. Step by step explanation makes it self explanatory and can be easily understood even by newcomer. Methods are similar in approach except that Dr. Dutta uses Natal Chart for establishing the linkage between planets while Mr. Nemani uses Chart at the time of Judgment. However Dr.Andrew Dutta had introduced an innovative Rule of Origin to test the accuracy of the corrected birth time. Hats off to him. On detailed study of these methods I would like to share my observations with everybody. These are my personal opinions, which may be wrong. And I hope that these observations may not be mistaken as criticism.

a) Rectification up to sub level gives a variation of around 3 to 20 minutes. This variation

can be reduced by taking sub-sub level into consideration.

b) Only RP Moon is considered while correcting Natal Ascendant. Other stronger RPs i.e.

Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord could have been put to effective use for

rectification.

c) There is no doubt that the Moon is the fastest moving Planet. But movement of Lagna

(Ascendant) is 25 to 28 times faster than that of Moon. In this process of rectification, the

longitude of the Natal Ascendant (fast moving body) is being corrected with the help of

longitude of the RP Moon (comparatively much slow moving body). In my opinion the

process should be reverse.

After giving due weightage to all these points, I would like to present a simple and reliable technique for birth time rectification. It is explained in following paragraphs.

Step 1.

Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RP Ascendant and RP

Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whom Rahu/Ketu represent.

Step 2

Calculate the position of Natal Moon at unrectified birth time up to sub-sub level. Then with the help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitude of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RP Ascendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon (comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling Planets – ascendant sign lord and ascendant star lord- are used in correcting the birth time.

Step 3

Corresponding to this corrected Natal moon position find out the Natal Ascendant(s) . Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Here we are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets- Moon sign lord and the star lord- to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when this ascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Birth time correction

These are very important but generally we neglect these points.

The moment you sit for to do the rectifications of a person, pl check the time chart of that moment. If Moon signifies 6th, 8th & 12th houses then don’t do the rectification on that time, stop your calculation, do it any other time or any other day.. Because that calculation, what you have started, does not give you the right answer. So wait for the right moment.

Clarify: Will you pl elaborate on " Moon signifies 6th, 8 & 12 " ? whehter all the three houses, or any two out of three or any one of the three to be signified by Moon ? Signification upto what level ? sign, star, sub sub sub ? whether conjunction and aspect also to be considered for signification ? What should be orbit range 3.33deg or hindu aspect and conjunction ?

Yes you are right , when Moon will Signifying any two of the 6th,8th & 12th, and it's upto the Sign and Star level. If any planet, basically the outer planets, aspect( hindu aspect) on Moon and that (outer) planet signifying any two of these houses then also the time will be negetive. Orbit range is 3.33degree. If any way Moon signifying any two of these three abd aspect or conjunct with any planets who is signifying any two of these three then the time is negetive, so , don't continue the calculation on that time. Pl do it some other time when your time will be positive.

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Dear Tranquas,

That is precisely why I personally match the Lagna sub and sub-sub to appear as Moon's st.lord,and sub-lord respectively. ..which ensures correction upto the level of seconds,further accuracy upto can be obtained by extending upto the level of sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant... . .and so on...

L.Y.Rao.

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August 20, 2008

Dear Neeraj,

According to me your Ascendant should be in Virgo 24-07-41.While I was judging Sun and Moon did not appear in the ruling planets. Sun had no connection in any maner with any of the significators.

Dr. Luther--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj wrote:

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneerajRe: Birth time rectification Cc: kpmk_astrologyDate: Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:51 AM

Dear Sir,

I am member of this group since last@ four month.basically I am civil engineer working in Dubai as factory manager.

I have some confusion regarding my birth time.

As per the information it is in between 20:15 to 20:45.

when I checked it through the method 1) Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord it comes 20:18:30.when I checked it through 2) RP it gives me 20:43:03.

I checked three time by RP. it gives me VIRGO LAGNA. while by method one it gives me LEO LAGNA. I am studying Kp since last 4 years before that I was practisizing only on vedic.

please flash some light on my correct birth time.

events say that I am virgo.

According to data given by hospital and my grand mother(late) it is @ 20:30.

My detail is as follows.

DATE OF BIRTH- 11-02-1971

DOB- Between 20:15 TO 20:45

PLACE- BURHANPUR MP 21N18; 76E08.

Some of event details

Marrage- 27/01/2005

baby(girl) birth-19/09/ 2006

FIRST Dubai arrival- 14/01/2006

gone back to India-02/03/ 2006

Second dubai job-07/02/2007 tiil now

So many hurddles in education ( B.E. civil) done in 1997 ,failed two time.

Eldest in family, No sister , two brothers.

please confirm it.I would be very thanksfull to all my senior members of group.

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:00 AM

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student"Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:58 AM

Dear Rao Ji,

Thank you for the response. I expected something from Mr.Dhanapalan - the purpose of his collection and study of text material on The Rahu/Kethu's signification. (Or was it all yours?) It's alright. To the point, now.

Your formula, as said, Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord seems to be very precise and "Congrats to you on the success rate you get out of it". Just go along with it... Don't be disturbed by my intervention.

May I put a question: 'Do you put it in the order as it shows above, or do they - the Moon's (more stable) Starlord + Sublord - get interchanged in Asc's position as Asc. Sublord + SS lord... i.e. whether Asc. Sublord can be Moon's Starlord OR Moon's Sublord, or do you want it to be the same as Moon's Starlord.. I suppose the latter is your choice. That's good if I have understood you correctly. Well, anyway, go ahead.

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our Guruji. Yes, I do accept. But WHY? I had this question in the year 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

"HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."

"In any manner" - not very precisely as you mean it should be, Rao Ji. I don't mean any harm by my words. Don't mistake me. Bye now! will be back soon!

MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Fw: BTR by a KP Student"Mohan Kumar" <kpmk_astrology@ >Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Mohan Kumar,

Am keenly looking forward to your formula which you have promised to post to the group...

Best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ >Thursday, 31 July, 2008 12:15:00 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student

Dear Mohan Kumar,

I have been working with the theory that if the Ascendant sub-lord appears as the Moon's star-lord,the TOB is correct...and have slightly modified it to say..."If the sublord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Moon's St.lord and sub-lord,respective ly,such a TOB is the exact one upto the fraction of a minute....."

This has given me remarkable success...in atleast 90 - 95 % of cases,provided the TOB given for correction is within + or - 30 minutes from the actual TOB...

Am looking forward to your formula which you say is more accurate...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 8:34:36 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Friends,Pranams to GURUJI KSK AND ALL STALWARTS OF KP ASTRLOGY. My respects toall KP seniors and my best wishes to all junior aspirants.Let me join your group and share my points. I am MOHAN KUMAR.R.Pleasecall me just 'MK'. At Salem, the secrets of KP has been lying under sofar. Now it is goona come out. get ready to cherish the fruits of thesecrets.I have researched and developed a "KP-MK Formula for Birth TimeVerification" and predictions thereof, based on KP principles. My NewTheory (Modified Theory, rather) by name "KP-MK FORMULA"with "CUSPALPOINT SIGNIFICATIONS" extended upto

Sub-Sub-Sub (SSS) level is doingreal wonders in practice. This is with me for the last FOUR YEARS. Nowis the time to bring it out for the betterment of the science of KPAstrology.I'll do it slowly in due course. Can any one explain "WHY DO WE RELATETHE LAGNA SUBLORD WITH THE MOON SIGNLORD OR STARLORD, SO TO SAY?" HOWMANY OF YOU ARE CONFIDENT OR AT LEAST CLEAR ENOUGH WITH A LOGIC TO DOSO? PL COME OUT WITH A OPEN HEART AND BE BROAD-MINDED TO ACCEPT ANYTHINGTHAT HAS SOME MEANING- A REAL MEANING.Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s Birth Time Verification formula is the eye openerin this regard.Shri.KSK's Sublord, Dr.KAR's MST Formulas, Shri. Khullar's (or is itShri.K.Bhaskaran' s really) Cuspal Interlinks are all wonders in theirown dimensions. But, how far have we all understood each one. Whateach of it lacks? How to fill in the blanks in those theories?

Let'sgive a try.GOD BE WITH US.In anticipation, I remain a humble man of KP Astrology.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear members

In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr.KSK says like this,

“It is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parent’s charts.”

Though it is Mr.KSK’s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line.

Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forum’s group discussion for easy reference.

Dhanabalan

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"The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other.. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

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Accuracy of Birth time (Jun 25, 2005 10:19am)

The KP system requires that the birth time be indicated very accurately to get correct predictions. This requirement stems from the fact the Bhava cusp lord would decide whether the native would get desirable results from that Bhava. As a result of this if the birth time is not accurate the predicted result may be 100% wrong.

There has been very intense discussion at this forum regarding birth time rectification. Two methods were discussed and conclusion was that the moon connection to Lagna was totally unreliable. The other method discussed was based on Ruling Planets. I am personally not for this method as this is likely to give different results if the same method is repeated at different points of time... The greatest handicap in astrological predictions is the difficulty in reproduction of results for experiments conducted under identical conditions.

One suggestion was to check the birth time with respect to mothers chart. This would require that mothers chart would have to be rectified. Then we will have to look at mother's mother's chart…..! This is obviously not practicable.

The other suggestion that came in the forum from many a member is to check the birth time with respect to life events. Though this appears to be the best method, it has its fare share of difficulties. First is the difficulty in choosing an event that would take place in majority of people, which would take place at as early age as possible. The second difficulty is that this method cannot be chosen for babies that are just born.

In any case, the last method appears to be most practicable and accurate, provided we are able standardize some events and method to verify the same.

What is the accuracy required? The fastest moving point in the zodiac is the Lagna. Sun as Lagna sub lord will prevail for the shortest time. All Lagnas are not of equal duration. Meena Lagna is just about 90 minutes in duration. That is, for the Lagna to advance by one degree of longitude it would take only 3 minutes. That is, the shortest cusp duration (that of Sun, the cusp longitudinal distance of 40') will be only 2 minutes. Two minutes of difference can change the cusp from Sun either to Venus or Moon. Hence, when Moon or Venus is cusp lord of any Bhava, KP astrologer should become alert towards the birth time even more.

Considering that the accuracy required is very crucial to correct predictions, I think that we should continue the discussions and arrive at a list of events and an agreed method to verify these events. Otherwise, there is always the danger of we misleading our clients.

The events may have to be chosen which have relevance to different Bhavas, and check with the cusp lords for their correctness. This may be easier said than done, but since there are many experienced members in the forum, finding correct birth time might still be a good possibility.

I request the enlightened members to give their views. Regards, Udupa

T he following were also noted by some members:

1) Since birth time is crucial to prediction based on natal charts, horary is generally preferred in a majority of the cases.

2) In addition to life events, one can also use personality traits and physical characteristics to rectify birth time.

I feel that even if we are not able to apply event-based rectification to babies, to the extent the technique is applicable, we should perfect it and apply it in those cases where it is applicable. I feel sad that even after so many years we have not found a reliable technique (other than RP). Regards, Rangarajan

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On the issue of Birth time rectification , Mr.Gondhalekar mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP methodology. The success rate has been around 80%, and was happy with this level. He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

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@gro ups.com, GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN

Dear members,

My purpose in putting up this case of rectifiction on the board is ,as I have already stated, because different timings ranging from 8-12 A.M to 8-30 A.M have been given as corrected birthtime by astrologers to whom the case was referred for clarification. So I was in a fix and sought refuge in this forum for eliciting the correct reply.

I heartily thank the senior astrologers for having spared their valuable time in analysing this birth rectification question,and giving their views and observations. It may be observed that the replies are as under: My problem remains unsolved...

Anant Raichur..... 8-14.A.M

Kanak Bosmia...8-20. A.M (also given 8-15 and 8-17 as correct)

Ron Gaunt .......8-12- 28 A.M.

Unfortunately, here also there is no general agreement on the correct time of birth, which makes the position still confusing. Does it mean that our rules for birth rectification are not fully reliable?. I request someone in the forum to crack this hard nut by giving me onlyone answer for this porblem.

G.Subramanian

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For best Result of Birth Rectification as per our Guruji Mr krishnamoorthy, the lagna sublord should be coincided with the Moon Transiting Star or Sub , that is when u are urging to find out these Thinks in the Ruling planet ie is at present moment .

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i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer Book " SECRETS

OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road ,

Chhennai 600 002 "

according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.( ksk himself

wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i dont remember no: and

Page No.)

frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet asc for that

time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal view .

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dear sri nemani raghunath rao garu,

i am very happy to see your research paper on birth time rectification (btr). hitherto i have come across the following methods for birth time rectification on different forums/books.

1 rp method: (sri kanakji n sri rangarajan krishnamurthy has submitted their research papers with 300 aa rated birth charts)

rp moon should tally with birth ascendant and rp ascendent should tally with birth moon.

2 sri shnmugam’s method (sri. rangarajan has made research reg.connection from aa rated charts)

birth asc. star lord/ sub lord should have a connection with birth moon star/sub. apart from this blood relations (relatives) birth stars should be tallied with the relavent cusps eg. mother, father, spouse, elder brother, younger brother, first child, second child, etc,

3. gender method (sri c.kadirivelu)

wherein lagna gender of the baby, 4th cusp mother, 9th cusp father plus any other relatives who's genders would tally with relavent cusp str.lord or sub lord or the preceding planets in whose star lords/sublords there are tenated.

4. sri andrew’s btr - apart from rp method the rule of origin that is 9th cusp star lord/sub lord should have a connection with first cusp.

5. sri kundanthai nathan btr - wherein 9th csl have connection with either sun/jupiter/ venus who are karekas for human births.

6 sri nemani's method of btr: now brought up for verification.

in your method rp moon sign/star/sub lords should have a connecton with birth asc. sign/star/sub lords. no natal chart should be taken for connection. third party connection that is asc sign/star/sub lords in a star or sub of another planet who is tenated in the star/sub of rp moon.

i request the forum members should enlighten the other members with their experiences and practical experiences.

regards

ovn murthy hyderabad www.saibhavishyavan i.com

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NEW APPROACH TO BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION

By Subhash Ektare 4090 Crandall Cir. Santa Clara , California USA

In recent past two papers were published on this subject. They are:

1. Birth_Time_Rectific ation_Article By Dr. Andrew Dutta published in June 2007 issue of Express Star Teller

2. Rectification of Birth Time using Ruling Planets (Krishnamurthy Padhdhati) Ver. 2.0 by Mr.... Raghunath Rao Nemani which is available in file section of @ . Both of the authors have done commendable work. Presentation is Excellent. Step by step explanation makes it self explanatory and can be easily understood even by newcomer. Methods are similar in approach except that Dr. Dutta uses Natal Chart for establishing the linkage between planets while Mr. Nemani uses Chart at the time of Judgment. However Dr.Andrew Dutta had introduced an innovative Rule of Origin to test the accuracy of the corrected birth time. Hats off to him. On detailed study of these methods I would like to share my observations with everybody. These are my personal opinions, which may be wrong. And I hope that these observations may not be mistaken as criticism.

a) Rectification up to sub level gives a variation of around 3 to 20 minutes. This variation

can be reduced by taking sub-sub level into consideration.

b) Only RP Moon is considered while correcting Natal Ascendant. Other stronger RPs i.e.

Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord could have been put to effective use for

rectification.

c) There is no doubt that the Moon is the fastest moving Planet. But movement of Lagna

(Ascendant) is 25 to 28 times faster than that of Moon. In this process of rectification, the

longitude of the Natal Ascendant (fast moving body) is being corrected with the help of

longitude of the RP Moon (comparatively much slow moving body). In my opinion the

process should be reverse.

After giving due weightage to all these points, I would like to present a simple and reliable technique for birth time rectification. It is explained in following paragraphs.

Step 1.

Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RP Ascendant and RP

Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whom Rahu/Ketu represent.

Step 2

Calculate the position of Natal Moon at unrectified birth time up to sub-sub level. Then with the help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitude of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RP Ascendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon (comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling Planets – ascendant sign lord and ascendant star lord- are used in correcting the birth time.

Step 3

Corresponding to this corrected Natal moon position find out the Natal Ascendant(s) . Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Here we are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets- Moon sign lord and the star lord- to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when this ascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time.

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Birth time correction

These are very important but generally we neglect these points.

The moment you sit for to do the rectifications of a person, pl check the time chart of that moment. If Moon signifies 6th, 8th & 12th houses then don’t do the rectification on that time, stop your calculation, do it any other time or any other day.. Because that calculation, what you have started, does not give you the right answer. So wait for the right moment.

Clarify: Will you pl elaborate on " Moon signifies 6th, 8 & 12 " ? whehter all the three houses, or any two out of three or any one of the three to be signified by Moon ? Signification upto what level ? sign, star, sub sub sub ? whether conjunction and aspect also to be considered for signification ? What should be orbit range 3.33deg or hindu aspect and conjunction ?

Yes you are right , when Moon will Signifying any two of the 6th,8th & 12th, and it's upto the Sign and Star level. If any planet, basically the outer planets, aspect( hindu aspect) on Moon and that (outer) planet signifying any two of these houses then also the time will be negetive. Orbit range is 3.33degree. If any way Moon signifying any two of these three abd aspect or conjunct with any planets who is signifying any two of these three then the time is negetive, so , don't continue the calculation on that time. Pl do it some other time when your time will be positive.

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Dear Tranquas,

That is precisely why I personally match the Lagna sub and sub-sub to appear as Moon's st.lord,and sub-lord respectively. ..which ensures correction upto the level of seconds,further accuracy upto can be obtained by extending upto the level of sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant... . .and so on...

L.Y.Rao.

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August 20, 2008

Dear Sir,

charan sparsh.

Thanks for confirming my ascendant . according to my own check, also it comes VIRGO .

whenever I checked it through RP , and the method RP MOON= BIRTH ASCENDANT

RP ASCENDANT=BIRTH MOON , it gives me VIRGO. only by Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord gives me leo.

Any way now VIRGO is confirmed.

thanks ones again .

with regards,

Neeraj.

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Birth time rectification Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:15 AM

Dear Neeraj,

According to me your Ascendant should be in Virgo 24-07-41.While I was judging Sun and Moon did not appear in the ruling planets. Sun had no connection in any maner with any of the significators.

Dr. Luther--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote:

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ >Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comCc: kpmk_astrology@ Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:51 AM

Dear Sir,

I am member of this group since last@ four month.basically I am civil engineer working in Dubai as factory manager.

I have some confusion regarding my birth time.

As per the information it is in between 20:15 to 20:45.

when I checked it through the method 1) Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord it comes 20:18:30.when I checked it through 2) RP it gives me 20:43:03.

I checked three time by RP. it gives me VIRGO LAGNA. while by method one it gives me LEO LAGNA. I am studying Kp since last 4 years before that I was practisizing only on vedic.

please flash some light on my correct birth time.

events say that I am virgo.

According to data given by hospital and my grand mother(late) it is @ 20:30.

My detail is as follows.

DATE OF BIRTH- 11-02-1971

DOB- Between 20:15 TO 20:45

PLACE- BURHANPUR MP 21N18; 76E08.

Some of event details

Marrage- 27/01/2005

baby(girl) birth-19/09/ 2006

FIRST Dubai arrival- 14/01/2006

gone back to India-02/03/ 2006

Second dubai job-07/02/2007 tiil now

So many hurddles in education ( B.E. civil) done in 1997 ,failed two time.

Eldest in family, No sister , two brothers.

please confirm it.I would be very thanksfull to all my senior members of group.

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:00 AM

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student"Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:58 AM

Dear Rao Ji,

Thank you for the response. I expected something from Mr.Dhanapalan - the purpose of his collection and study of text material on The Rahu/Kethu's signification. (Or was it all yours?) It's alright. To the point, now.

Your formula, as said, Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord seems to be very precise and "Congrats to you on the success rate you get out of it". Just go along with it.... Don't be disturbed by my intervention.

May I put a question: 'Do you put it in the order as it shows above, or do they - the Moon's (more stable) Starlord + Sublord - get interchanged in Asc's position as Asc. Sublord + SS lord.... i.e. whether Asc. Sublord can be Moon's Starlord OR Moon's Sublord, or do you want it to be the same as Moon's Starlord.. I suppose the latter is your choice. That's good if I have understood you correctly. Well, anyway, go ahead.

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our Guruji. Yes, I do accept. But WHY? I had this question in the year 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

"HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."

"In any manner" - not very precisely as you mean it should be, Rao Ji. I don't mean any harm by my words. Don't mistake me. Bye now! will be back soon!

MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Fw: BTR by a KP Student"Mohan Kumar" <kpmk_astrology@ >Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Mohan Kumar,

Am keenly looking forward to your formula which you have promised to post to the group...

Best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ >Thursday, 31 July, 2008 12:15:00 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student

Dear Mohan Kumar,

I have been working with the theory that if the Ascendant sub-lord appears as the Moon's star-lord,the TOB is correct...and have slightly modified it to say..."If the sublord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Moon's St.lord and sub-lord,respective ly,such a TOB is the exact one upto the fraction of a minute......"

This has given me remarkable success...in atleast 90 - 95 % of cases,provided the TOB given for correction is within + or - 30 minutes from the actual TOB...

Am looking forward to your formula which you say is more accurate...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 8:34:36 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Friends,Pranams to GURUJI KSK AND ALL STALWARTS OF KP ASTRLOGY. My respects toall KP seniors and my best wishes to all junior aspirants.Let me join your group and share my points. I am MOHAN KUMAR.R.Pleasecall me just 'MK'. At Salem, the secrets of KP has been lying under sofar. Now it is goona come out. get ready to cherish the fruits of thesecrets.I have researched and developed a "KP-MK Formula for Birth TimeVerification" and predictions thereof, based on KP principles. My NewTheory (Modified Theory, rather) by name "KP-MK FORMULA"with "CUSPALPOINT SIGNIFICATIONS" extended upto

Sub-Sub-Sub (SSS) level is doingreal wonders in practice. This is with me for the last FOUR YEARS. Nowis the time to bring it out for the betterment of the science of KPAstrology.I'll do it slowly in due course. Can any one explain "WHY DO WE RELATETHE LAGNA SUBLORD WITH THE MOON SIGNLORD OR STARLORD, SO TO SAY?" HOWMANY OF YOU ARE CONFIDENT OR AT LEAST CLEAR ENOUGH WITH A LOGIC TO DOSO? PL COME OUT WITH A OPEN HEART AND BE BROAD-MINDED TO ACCEPT ANYTHINGTHAT HAS SOME MEANING- A REAL MEANING.Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s Birth Time Verification formula is the eye openerin this regard.Shri.KSK's Sublord, Dr.KAR's MST Formulas, Shri. Khullar's (or is itShri.K.Bhaskaran' s really) Cuspal Interlinks are all wonders in theirown dimensions. But, how far have we all understood each one. Whateach of it lacks? How to fill in the blanks in those theories?

Let'sgive a try.GOD BE WITH US.In anticipation, I remain a humble man of KP Astrology.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear members

In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr.KSK says like this,

“It is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parent’s charts.”

Though it is Mr.KSK’s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line.

Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forum’s group discussion for easy reference.

Dhanabalan

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"The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other.. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

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Accuracy of Birth time (Jun 25, 2005 10:19am)

The KP system requires that the birth time be indicated very accurately to get correct predictions. This requirement stems from the fact the Bhava cusp lord would decide whether the native would get desirable results from that Bhava. As a result of this if the birth time is not accurate the predicted result may be 100% wrong.

There has been very intense discussion at this forum regarding birth time rectification. Two methods were discussed and conclusion was that the moon connection to Lagna was totally unreliable. The other method discussed was based on Ruling Planets. I am personally not for this method as this is likely to give different results if the same method is repeated at different points of time.... The greatest handicap in astrological predictions is the difficulty in reproduction of results for experiments conducted under identical conditions.

One suggestion was to check the birth time with respect to mothers chart. This would require that mothers chart would have to be rectified. Then we will have to look at mother's mother's chart…..! This is obviously not practicable.

The other suggestion that came in the forum from many a member is to check the birth time with respect to life events. Though this appears to be the best method, it has its fare share of difficulties. First is the difficulty in choosing an event that would take place in majority of people, which would take place at as early age as possible. The second difficulty is that this method cannot be chosen for babies that are just born.

In any case, the last method appears to be most practicable and accurate, provided we are able standardize some events and method to verify the same.

What is the accuracy required? The fastest moving point in the zodiac is the Lagna. Sun as Lagna sub lord will prevail for the shortest time. All Lagnas are not of equal duration. Meena Lagna is just about 90 minutes in duration. That is, for the Lagna to advance by one degree of longitude it would take only 3 minutes. That is, the shortest cusp duration (that of Sun, the cusp longitudinal distance of 40') will be only 2 minutes. Two minutes of difference can change the cusp from Sun either to Venus or Moon. Hence, when Moon or Venus is cusp lord of any Bhava, KP astrologer should become alert towards the birth time even more.

Considering that the accuracy required is very crucial to correct predictions, I think that we should continue the discussions and arrive at a list of events and an agreed method to verify these events. Otherwise, there is always the danger of we misleading our clients.

The events may have to be chosen which have relevance to different Bhavas, and check with the cusp lords for their correctness. This may be easier said than done, but since there are many experienced members in the forum, finding correct birth time might still be a good possibility.

I request the enlightened members to give their views. Regards, Udupa

T he following were also noted by some members:

1) Since birth time is crucial to prediction based on natal charts, horary is generally preferred in a majority of the cases.

2) In addition to life events, one can also use personality traits and physical characteristics to rectify birth time.

I feel that even if we are not able to apply event-based rectification to babies, to the extent the technique is applicable, we should perfect it and apply it in those cases where it is applicable. I feel sad that even after so many years we have not found a reliable technique (other than RP). Regards, Rangarajan

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On the issue of Birth time rectification , Mr.Gondhalekar mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP methodology. The success rate has been around 80%, and was happy with this level. He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

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@gro ups.com, GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN

Dear members,

My purpose in putting up this case of rectifiction on the board is ,as I have already stated, because different timings ranging from 8-12 A.M to 8-30 A.M have been given as corrected birthtime by astrologers to whom the case was referred for clarification. So I was in a fix and sought refuge in this forum for eliciting the correct reply.

I heartily thank the senior astrologers for having spared their valuable time in analysing this birth rectification question,and giving their views and observations. It may be observed that the replies are as under: My problem remains unsolved....

Anant Raichur..... 8-14.A.M

Kanak Bosmia...8-20. A.M (also given 8-15 and 8-17 as correct)

Ron Gaunt .......8-12- 28 A.M.

Unfortunately, here also there is no general agreement on the correct time of birth, which makes the position still confusing. Does it mean that our rules for birth rectification are not fully reliable?. I request someone in the forum to crack this hard nut by giving me onlyone answer for this porblem.

G.Subramanian

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For best Result of Birth Rectification as per our Guruji Mr krishnamoorthy, the lagna sublord should be coincided with the Moon Transiting Star or Sub , that is when u are urging to find out these Thinks in the Ruling planet ie is at present moment .

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i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer Book " SECRETS

OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road ,

Chhennai 600 002 "

according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.( ksk himself

wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i dont remember no: and

Page No.)

frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet asc for that

time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal view .

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dear sri nemani raghunath rao garu,

i am very happy to see your research paper on birth time rectification (btr). hitherto i have come across the following methods for birth time rectification on different forums/books.

1 rp method: (sri kanakji n sri rangarajan krishnamurthy has submitted their research papers with 300 aa rated birth charts)

rp moon should tally with birth ascendant and rp ascendent should tally with birth moon.

2 sri shnmugam’s method (sri. rangarajan has made research reg.connection from aa rated charts)

birth asc. star lord/ sub lord should have a connection with birth moon star/sub. apart from this blood relations (relatives) birth stars should be tallied with the relavent cusps eg. mother, father, spouse, elder brother, younger brother, first child, second child, etc,

3. gender method (sri c.kadirivelu)

wherein lagna gender of the baby, 4th cusp mother, 9th cusp father plus any other relatives who's genders would tally with relavent cusp str.lord or sub lord or the preceding planets in whose star lords/sublords there are tenated.

4. sri andrew’s btr - apart from rp method the rule of origin that is 9th cusp star lord/sub lord should have a connection with first cusp.

5. sri kundanthai nathan btr - wherein 9th csl have connection with either sun/jupiter/ venus who are karekas for human births.

6 sri nemani's method of btr: now brought up for verification.

in your method rp moon sign/star/sub lords should have a connecton with birth asc. sign/star/sub lords. no natal chart should be taken for connection. third party connection that is asc sign/star/sub lords in a star or sub of another planet who is tenated in the star/sub of rp moon.

i request the forum members should enlighten the other members with their experiences and practical experiences.

regards

ovn murthy hyderabad www.saibhavishyavan i.com

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NEW APPROACH TO BIRTH TIME RECTIFICATION

By Subhash Ektare 4090 Crandall Cir. Santa Clara , California USA

In recent past two papers were published on this subject. They are:

1. Birth_Time_Rectific ation_Article By Dr. Andrew Dutta published in June 2007 issue of Express Star Teller

2. Rectification of Birth Time using Ruling Planets (Krishnamurthy Padhdhati) Ver. 2.0 by Mr..... Raghunath Rao Nemani which is available in file section of @ . Both of the authors have done commendable work. Presentation is Excellent. Step by step explanation makes it self explanatory and can be easily understood even by newcomer. Methods are similar in approach except that Dr. Dutta uses Natal Chart for establishing the linkage between planets while Mr. Nemani uses Chart at the time of Judgment. However Dr.Andrew Dutta had introduced an innovative Rule of Origin to test the accuracy of the corrected birth time. Hats off to him. On detailed study of these methods I would like to share my observations with everybody. These are my personal opinions, which may be wrong. And I hope that these observations may not be mistaken as criticism.

a) Rectification up to sub level gives a variation of around 3 to 20 minutes. This variation

can be reduced by taking sub-sub level into consideration.

b) Only RP Moon is considered while correcting Natal Ascendant. Other stronger RPs i.e.

Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord could have been put to effective use for

rectification.

c) There is no doubt that the Moon is the fastest moving Planet. But movement of Lagna

(Ascendant) is 25 to 28 times faster than that of Moon. In this process of rectification, the

longitude of the Natal Ascendant (fast moving body) is being corrected with the help of

longitude of the RP Moon (comparatively much slow moving body). In my opinion the

process should be reverse.

After giving due weightage to all these points, I would like to present a simple and reliable technique for birth time rectification. It is explained in following paragraphs.

Step 1.

Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RP Ascendant and RP

Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whom Rahu/Ketu represent.

Step 2

Calculate the position of Natal Moon at unrectified birth time up to sub-sub level. Then with the help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitude of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RP Ascendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon (comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling Planets – ascendant sign lord and ascendant star lord- are used in correcting the birth time.

Step 3

Corresponding to this corrected Natal moon position find out the Natal Ascendant(s) . Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Here we are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets- Moon sign lord and the star lord- to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when this ascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time.

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Birth time correction

These are very important but generally we neglect these points.

The moment you sit for to do the rectifications of a person, pl check the time chart of that moment. If Moon signifies 6th, 8th & 12th houses then don’t do the rectification on that time, stop your calculation, do it any other time or any other day.. Because that calculation, what you have started, does not give you the right answer. So wait for the right moment.

Clarify: Will you pl elaborate on " Moon signifies 6th, 8 & 12 " ? whehter all the three houses, or any two out of three or any one of the three to be signified by Moon ? Signification upto what level ? sign, star, sub sub sub ? whether conjunction and aspect also to be considered for signification ? What should be orbit range 3.33deg or hindu aspect and conjunction ?

Yes you are right , when Moon will Signifying any two of the 6th,8th & 12th, and it's upto the Sign and Star level. If any planet, basically the outer planets, aspect( hindu aspect) on Moon and that (outer) planet signifying any two of these houses then also the time will be negetive. Orbit range is 3.33degree. If any way Moon signifying any two of these three abd aspect or conjunct with any planets who is signifying any two of these three then the time is negetive, so , don't continue the calculation on that time. Pl do it some other time when your time will be positive.

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Dear Tranquas,

That is precisely why I personally match the Lagna sub and sub-sub to appear as Moon's st.lord,and sub-lord respectively. ..which ensures correction upto the level of seconds,further accuracy upto can be obtained by extending upto the level of sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant... . .and so on...

L.Y.Rao.

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August 21, 2008

Thank you Neeraj for your mesage.

Dr. Luther

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj Cc: rathlutherSent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:55:14 PMRe: Birth time rectification

Dear Sir,

charan sparsh.

Thanks for confirming my ascendant . according to my own check, also it comes VIRGO .

whenever I checked it through RP , and the method RP MOON= BIRTH ASCENDANT

RP ASCENDANT=BIRTH MOON , it gives me VIRGO. only by Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord gives me leo.

Any way now VIRGO is confirmed.

thanks ones again .

with regards,

Neeraj.

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comWednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:15 AM

Dear Neeraj,

According to me your Ascendant should be in Virgo 24-07-41.While I was judging Sun and Moon did not appear in the ruling planets. Sun had no connection in any maner with any of the significators.

Dr. Luther--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote:

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ >Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comCc: kpmk_astrology@ Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:51 AM

Dear Sir,

I am member of this group since last@ four month.basically I am civil engineer working in Dubai as factory manager.

I have some confusion regarding my birth time.

As per the information it is in between 20:15 to 20:45.

when I checked it through the method 1) Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord it comes 20:18:30.when I checked it through 2) RP it gives me 20:43:03.

I checked three time by RP. it gives me VIRGO LAGNA. while by method one it gives me LEO LAGNA. I am studying Kp since last 4 years before that I was practisizing only on vedic.

please flash some light on my correct birth time.

events say that I am virgo.

According to data given by hospital and my grand mother(late) it is @ 20:30.

My detail is as follows.

DATE OF BIRTH- 11-02-1971

DOB- Between 20:15 TO 20:45

PLACE- BURHANPUR MP 21N18; 76E08.

Some of event details

Marrage- 27/01/2005

baby(girl) birth-19/09/ 2006

FIRST Dubai arrival- 14/01/2006

gone back to India-02/03/ 2006

Second dubai job-07/02/2007 tiil now

So many hurddles in education ( B.E. civil) done in 1997 ,failed two time.

Eldest in family, No sister , two brothers.

please confirm it.I would be very thanksfull to all my senior members of group.

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:00 AM

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student"Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:58 AM

Dear Rao Ji,

Thank you for the response. I expected something from Mr.Dhanapalan - the purpose of his collection and study of text material on The Rahu/Kethu's signification. (Or was it all yours?) It's alright. To the point, now.

Your formula, as said, Asc's Sublord + SS lord = Moon's Starlord +Sublord seems to be very precise and "Congrats to you on the success rate you get out of it". Just go along with it.... Don't be disturbed by my intervention.

May I put a question: 'Do you put it in the order as it shows above, or do they - the Moon's (more stable) Starlord + Sublord - get interchanged in Asc's position as Asc. Sublord + SS lord.... i.e. whether Asc. Sublord can be Moon's Starlord OR Moon's Sublord, or do you want it to be the same as Moon's Starlord.. I suppose the latter is your choice. That's good if I have understood you correctly. Well, anyway, go ahead.

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our Guruji. Yes, I do accept. But WHY? I had this question in the year 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

"HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."

"In any manner" - not very precisely as you mean it should be, Rao Ji. I don't mean any harm by my words. Don't mistake me. Bye now! will be back soon!

MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Fw: BTR by a KP Student"Mohan Kumar" <kpmk_astrology@ >Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Mohan Kumar,

Am keenly looking forward to your formula which you have promised to post to the group....

Best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ >Thursday, 31 July, 2008 12:15:00 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student

Dear Mohan Kumar,

I have been working with the theory that if the Ascendant sub-lord appears as the Moon's star-lord,the TOB is correct...and have slightly modified it to say..."If the sublord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Moon's St.lord and sub-lord,respective ly,such a TOB is the exact one upto the fraction of a minute...... "

This has given me remarkable success...in atleast 90 - 95 % of cases,provided the TOB given for correction is within + or - 30 minutes from the actual TOB...

Am looking forward to your formula which you say is more accurate...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 8:34:36 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Friends,Pranams to GURUJI KSK AND ALL STALWARTS OF KP ASTRLOGY. My respects toall KP seniors and my best wishes to all junior aspirants.Let me join your group and share my points. I am MOHAN KUMAR.R.Pleasecall me just 'MK'. At Salem, the secrets of KP has been lying under sofar. Now it is goona come out. get ready to cherish the fruits of thesecrets.I have researched and developed a "KP-MK Formula for Birth TimeVerification" and predictions thereof, based on KP principles. My NewTheory (Modified Theory, rather) by name "KP-MK FORMULA"with "CUSPALPOINT SIGNIFICATIONS" extended upto

Sub-Sub-Sub (SSS) level is doingreal wonders in practice. This is with me for the last FOUR YEARS. Nowis the time to bring it out for the betterment of the science of KPAstrology.I'll do it slowly in due course. Can any one explain "WHY DO WE RELATETHE LAGNA SUBLORD WITH THE MOON SIGNLORD OR STARLORD, SO TO SAY?" HOWMANY OF YOU ARE CONFIDENT OR AT LEAST CLEAR ENOUGH WITH A LOGIC TO DOSO? PL COME OUT WITH A OPEN HEART AND BE BROAD-MINDED TO ACCEPT ANYTHINGTHAT HAS SOME MEANING- A REAL MEANING.Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s Birth Time Verification formula is the eye openerin this regard.Shri.KSK's Sublord, Dr.KAR's MST Formulas, Shri. Khullar's (or is itShri.K.Bhaskaran' s really) Cuspal Interlinks are all wonders in theirown dimensions. But, how far have we all understood each one. Whateach of it lacks? How to fill in the blanks in those theories?

Let'sgive a try.GOD BE WITH US.In anticipation, I remain a humble man of KP Astrology.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Birth time rectification"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear members

In the Reader II page 32 and in page 31 of k.p.Original volume I (1966), Mr..KSK says like this,

“It is my finding that the sub and constellation in which moon will be transiting at the time of the birth of the child will be governed by the dasanatha and bhukthinatha or the lords of the constellation in which they were found in the parent’s charts.”

Though it is Mr.KSK’s findings, there is no sufficient study in this line.

Below given are my collection from the earlier messages in this forum’s group discussion for easy reference.

Dhanabalan

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"The lagna cusp sublord in the birth chart of a native should tell the birth star of the native correctly, in one way or the other.. Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birth star of the native, and the birth chart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birth time.".... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)