Jupiter

January 28, 2008

Dear Krishna ji, I would have to check the degrees to ensure whether Mars can get combust in retrograde or not. You can check yourself using JHora. > Is it possible that Venus and Mercury get combust when they are direct? Yes.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Ok, you are saying that astronomically Jupiter and Saturn will never be close to Sun when they are in retrograde mode. Hence, there is no question of them getting combust. I guess if that is the case there is no debate. What about Mars. Mars is also an outer planet. Does the same apply in the case of Mars as well?> > Second question - Is it possible that Venus and Mercury get combust when they are direct? > > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> Retrograde Jupiter cannot be combust, because when the retrogression starts it would be always at least 120 degrees (approx) away from Sun. The simple reason. Similarly Saturn too cannot be combust in retrograde, because it would be much away from sun then. Several planets such as Mercury, Venus etc can be combust when retrograde. Hope this helps.> Note: Kiran ji's initial statement regarding Jupiter was right, but the later reasoning wrong. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > Yes, one section of the astrologers tend to believe that the retrograde planets are not combust. Some believe that Venus and Mercury are combust only when retrograde.> > > > However, I have read that according to Surya Siddhanta even the retrograde planets are also combust and only the distance from the Sun for combustion is lower.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > "kiran.rama" kiran.rama@ wrote:> > Krishnaji,> > > > It is said that a retrograde planet goes behind the sun and hence> > cannot be combust> > > > regards> > kiran> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Krian ji,> > > > > > I don't understand why can't a retrograde planet get combust. Can> > you elaborate a bit please?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > "kiran.rama" kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > Retrograde Jupiter maybe better than normal Jupiter and> > more benefic because retrograde planet can never be combust > > > > > > Regards> > > kiran> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > I feel that the dictums of Jupiter in Lagna can not be directly> > > > applied to charts where Jupiter> > > > > is retrograde. Because, Jupiter here does not behave like the normal> > > > Jupiter.> > > > <==> > > > This is not supported by the ancient texts. Any way 2 points I can> > > > point to is - almost ALL texts agrees that benefic in retrograde> > becomes> > > > STRONG and mainly gives good results. The only text i know that tells> > > > that "a retrograde planet becomes WEAK" is Trilokya Prakasa. Any way -> > > > some may have a point; and may be some thing new we should learn about> > > > retrograde benefics as well.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

January 28, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks for your clarifications. Neelam ji has clarified that Mars also will not be in the vicinity of the Sun while retrograde. Thanks Neelam ji for your inputs. Regards, KrishnaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji, I would have to check the degrees to ensure whether Mars can get combust in retrograde or not. You can check yourself using

JHora. > Is it possible that Venus and Mercury get combust when they are direct? Yes.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Ok, you are saying that astronomically Jupiter and Saturn will never be close to Sun when they are in retrograde mode. Hence, there is no question of them getting combust. I guess if that is the case there is no debate. What about Mars. Mars is also an outer planet. Does the same apply in the case of Mars as well?> > Second question - Is it possible that Venus and Mercury get combust when they are direct? > > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> Retrograde Jupiter cannot be combust, because when the retrogression starts it would be always at

least 120 degrees (approx) away from Sun. The simple reason. Similarly Saturn too cannot be combust in retrograde, because it would be much away from sun then. Several planets such as Mercury, Venus etc can be combust when retrograde. Hope this helps.> Note: Kiran ji's initial statement regarding Jupiter was right, but the later reasoning wrong. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > Yes, one section of the astrologers tend to believe that the retrograde planets are not combust. Some believe that Venus and Mercury are combust only when retrograde.> > > > However, I have read that according to Surya Siddhanta even the retrograde planets are also combust and only the distance from the Sun for combustion is lower.> > > >

Regards,> > Krishna> > > > "kiran.rama" kiran.rama@ wrote:> > Krishnaji,> > > > It is said that a retrograde planet goes behind the sun and hence> > cannot be combust> > > > regards> > kiran> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Krian ji,> > > > > > I don't understand why can't a retrograde planet get combust. Can> > you elaborate a bit please?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > "kiran.rama" kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > Retrograde Jupiter maybe better than normal Jupiter and> > more benefic because retrograde planet can never be combust > > > > > > Regards> >

> kiran> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > I feel that the dictums of Jupiter in Lagna can not be directly> > > > applied to charts where Jupiter> > > > > is retrograde. Because, Jupiter here does not behave like the normal> > > > Jupiter.> > > > <==> > > > This is not supported by the ancient texts. Any way 2 points I can> > > > point to is - almost ALL texts agrees that benefic in retrograde> > becomes> > > > STRONG and mainly gives good results. The only text i know that tells> > > > that "a retrograde planet becomes WEAK" is Trilokya Prakasa. Any way -> > > > some may have

a point; and may be some thing new we should learn about> > > > retrograde benefics as well.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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February 8, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear su .

Thanks for the post with detailed info abt her .

i think since jup is aspecting in 5th and 9th house and has influence over lagna ,if she try she can finish the education from 2009 end to 2011 ( its rough reading only tho its supporting very weakly now .But end of 2008 jup tho in weak rasi will be aspecting lagna and 5th house from 9th house .

so that period on wards we can assume a right period ,if she can put in efforts .

she gulik in 9th house ( higher education ) also 9th Lord sani is vakri and merc (lord 5th and karaka ) is unhelpful 3rd house ( house of initiatives ) but jup ( who is also another karaka and karak for brightness of brain ) with rahu is giving lot of confusion and lack of energy .

I will say moon is strong tho in vridha avasta and in dual signs always giving vascilatting thoughts .also see sun is dual rasi .

So her own effort and determination can giv her education as transits may favr in coming time from lagna .

As regrds to her superflous or new age blvs guru with rahu ( karaka for non orthodoxy ) reveals it ,even she may lack dept in spirituality but later in life she will become spiritual as rahu is seperating from jup .

is her husband looks good and seems to be intelligent also .i think born in normal family .

Ask her to be stinky on spending as this periods showing changes and shift in jobs .

also post the 2nd qstns ans wen ever u get it .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> dear Sunilji> > So sorry, I neglected to mention tht native is female.> > She has 2 uni-going children - a boy and a girl, both natural birth.> However she has had 2 miscarriages about '99 and 2000 [give or take a> yr, she cant recall].> > She's happily married to the same man since her early 20s. Husband is> very supportive of her. [ofcourse I'm sure they have the usual> healthy squabbles that most couples do]> > In sept 06 daughter was diagosed with PKD a kidney disease that has> no cure but is manageble. [there was a post in which u said moon in> 8th, child's health will be a 'sabah for doctors'].> > She's always had a low level clerical job and is not very ambitious> career wise. But this year decided to go back to uni and finish her> Bachelors. All thru Rahu dasa she has started numerous courses but> never seen any to completion. Always finds some excuse to give up -> what combo causes this trait? Rahu is lag? She is a very restless> sort as well. Wonder if Ju dasa will give completion to her current> undertaking.> > V spiritually inclined but in my opinion somewht in a wishy washy new-> agey way. However, is a moral person with high integrity.> > Properties - own thier current home, no investments. Husband has a> reasonable income.> > I will get back to you on your last 2 q's when I find out.> > rgds> Su>

February 8, 2008

hare ramakrishna

dear su .

thanks for the feed back ,but i am grate ful to u for pointing out the artistic tendency and 3rd house influence of venus and merc .

as i also blv 3rd rules bhava for arts esp as its right hand and also bhava for dance .

Thank u for participating

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> dear Sunilji> > thank you for the feedback. Here's the reply I got from her re your > last 2 q's:> > "I'm not sure exactly what you mean about status, dad was an > engineer for PGH bricks for NSW and mum a housewife. Dad became the > NSW engineer in the years after I was born."> > So I guess there was some sort of improvement after her birth as her > dad seems to hve got a promotion.[NSW= New South Wales].> > You are right about change in jobs - she actually gave up her job to > go back to uni, or should I say went back to uni so she cud give up > her job! [she hated it]. You are also right about 'confusion, > vacillation and lack of enthusiasm'. She is always busy doing > something or other, but is somewhat unfocussed with her energies. > Seems to do things more for the sake of 'having something to do' > rather than with any real direction.> > She is more creative and intuitive than intellectual - loves painting.> [venus/merc in 3rd].> > > regds> Su> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear su .> > > > > > > > Thanks for the post with detailed info abt her .> > > > > > > > i think since jup is aspecting in 5th and 9th house and has> > influence over lagna ,if she try she can finish the education from > 2009> > end to 2011 ( its rough reading only tho its supporting very > weakly now> > .But end of 2008 jup tho in weak rasi will be aspecting lagna and > 5th> > house from 9th house .> > > > > > > > so that period on wards we can assume a right period ,if she can > put in> > efforts .> > > > > > > > she gulik in 9th house ( higher education ) also 9th Lord sani is > vakri> > and merc (lord 5th and karaka ) is unhelpful 3rd house ( house of> > initiatives ) but jup ( who is also another karaka and karak for> > brightness of brain ) with rahu is giving lot of confusion and > lack of> > energy .> > > > > > > > I will say moon is strong tho in vridha avasta and in dual signs > always> > giving vascilatting thoughts .also see sun is dual rasi .> > > > > > > > So her own effort and determination can giv her education as > transits> > may favr in coming time from lagna .> > > > > > > > As regrds to her superflous or new age blvs guru with rahu ( karaka > for> > non orthodoxy ) reveals it ,even she may lack dept in spirituality > but> > later in life she will become spiritual as rahu is seperating from > jup .> > > > > > > > is her husband looks good and seems to be intelligent also .i think > born> > in normal family .> > > > Ask her to be stinky on spending as this periods showing changes > and> > shift in jobs .> > > > > > > > also post the 2nd qstns ans wen ever u get it .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > , "vreality_au"> > <reality_v@> wrote:> > >> > > dear Sunilji> > >> > > So sorry, I neglected to mention tht native is female.> > >> > > She has 2 uni-going children - a boy and a girl, both natural > birth.> > > However she has had 2 miscarriages about '99 and 2000 [give or > take a> > > yr, she cant recall].> > >> > > She's happily married to the same man since her early 20s. > Husband is> > > very supportive of her. [ofcourse I'm sure they have the usual> > > healthy squabbles that most couples do]> > >> > > In sept 06 daughter was diagosed with PKD a kidney disease that > has> > > no cure but is manageble. [there was a post in which u said moon > in> > > 8th, child's health will be a 'sabah for doctors'].> > >> > > She's always had a low level clerical job and is not very > ambitious> > > career wise. But this year decided to go back to uni and finish > her> > > Bachelors. All thru Rahu dasa she has started numerous courses but> > > never seen any to completion. Always finds some excuse to give > up -> > > what combo causes this trait? Rahu is lag? She is a very restless> > > sort as well. Wonder if Ju dasa will give completion to her > current> > > undertaking.> > >> > > V spiritually inclined but in my opinion somewht in a wishy washy > new-> > > agey way. However, is a moral person with high integrity.> > >> > > Properties - own thier current home, no investments. Husband has a> > > reasonable income.> > >> > > I will get back to you on your last 2 q's when I find out.> > >> > > rgds> > > Su> > >> >>

March 17, 2008

Therese wrote:

But his

> chart shows a strong Jupiter influence, which Jyotish relates to prophecy,

> and Rick did have a good track record with political predictions.

Sari:

I'm not completely sure if Jupiter signifies prophecy or spirituality in the

sense we understand those things today. I think that Jupiter is mostly about

worldly success and well-being; the reason that it's traditionally connected

with priests and teachers is that those professions used to represent the

top layer of society.

Jupiter may even be quite a materialistic planet. Ibn Ezra wrote on the 12th

century about Jupiter: " ...He is the best of the planets, indicating life

and increase of beneficence and fruitfulness and multiplication and justice

and honesty. . . . He loves to talk a lot and desires praise from people.

Most of his thoughts is directed towards seeking wealth and accumulating it,

and winning in everything, in an honest way thought... " Sounds quite

materialistic, doesn't it? And people with Jupiter on their ascendants look

mostly like real winners IMO

http://koti.welho.com/jmetsovu/Kuvat/jupiter.htm .

Best, Sari

March 17, 2008

Hi Therese,

Would you consider Uranus to be spiritual at all since it seems to go beyond

the egotistical boundaries?

Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

At 03:13 PM 3/17/08 +0200, Sari wrote:

>I'm not completely sure if Jupiter signifies prophecy or spirituality in the

>sense we understand those things today. I think that Jupiter is mostly about

>worldly success and well-being;

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Hi Sari,

There's no doubt that Jupiter is the planet that bestows worldly success.

But all planets have many levels. Jupiter on the ascendant wouldn't give

the same results as the configuration in Richard Houck's chart: a

retrograde Jupiter partile trine Mercury in the 4th--that is Jupiter is

making a powerful aspect to its house of exaltation (Cancer) which

manifests in communication (Mercury). For questions about the planets I

often look to Edgar Cayce.

India gives Jupiter and Venus to the Brahmin (spiritual priestly) caste,

and Cayce says:

" In Venus and Jupiter we see those abilities to appreciate those things and

those experiences that are from the realm of the universal

consciousness... " (2869-1)

Cayce linked this ability to the skill of being able to understand and

relate to large groups or masses of people. So Jupiter may be the greedy

politician, the international businessman or the person 'in tune' with

forces greater than himself, which might be the channel of prophetic

statements that would affect many people throughout the world.

Of course in modern times astrologers especially associate spirituality

with Neptune, and Jupiter with formalized religion. And the Catholic Church

based in Rome especially is drowning in riches. But also some of the

fundmentalist groups have had their financial scandals.

I guess the question is: If Neptune did not exist, which planet or

combination of planets would we look to for spirituality?

Thanks for the Ibn Ezra quote!

Therese

March 17, 2008