Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshiTuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PMTo: Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji,the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over whenjupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector ofsaturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriageoccured.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u> told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means thestatus> of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 innavamsa.> But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are> seeing these things, but take your time to study each thingcarefully and> then come to a conclusion.> > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6thlord is> with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Jubeing> 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lordso then> in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so> again here the status is being affected and so is the status ofblessing.> Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should givethat. That> way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindlythen how> would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on achart> and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but itwill be> well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give> timing.> > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but ofSeperation).> Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it> might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in> this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve andMa. Its> MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chartthat u gave> the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind thecharts> that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u> will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> bakshi> Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > Re: Second Marriage> > > > Dear Satish,> there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa> 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> thanks/regards> harjeet> astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> SPK> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > Satish> > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > but its a strong> > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > antra which is> > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > points... and in 12th> > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > planet.> > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > second partner.> > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > a partner whose> > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > connect to A, B , C,> > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > chart have> > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > finding such a partner..> > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > your chart.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > "venusgaal2003"> > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > survive.> > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > in the relationship.> > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > archives.> > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Anup, Though you have asked your query to Ash, I am knocking my nose in between .If I am wrong Ash may correct me. Ju as 6th lord is mischievious and by all means its effect will be bad for 7th house matter. Secondly Ju is also in the sign of Sa so it can not reduce the delay caused by Sa even after its aspect on Sa. Its aspect on Ve also will not reduce the quality and status of Ve.But here in this chart Ju does not aspect Ve. That is what I am thinking. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra"Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshiTuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji,the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over whenjupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector ofsaturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriageoccured.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u> told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means thestatus> of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 innavamsa.> But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are> seeing these things, but take your time to study each thingcarefully and> then come to a conclusion.> > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6thlord is> with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Jubeing> 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lordso then> in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so> again here the status is being affected and so is the status ofblessing.> Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should givethat. That> way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindlythen how> would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on achart> and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but itwill be> well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give> timing.> > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but ofSeperation).> Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it> might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in> this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve andMa. Its> MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chartthat u gave> the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind thecharts> that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u> will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> bakshi> Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > Re: Second Marriage> > > > Dear Satish,> there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa> 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> thanks/regards> harjeet> astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> SPK> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > Satish> > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > but its a strong> > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > antra which is> > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > points... and in 12th> > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > planet.> > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > second partner.> > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > a partner whose> > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > connect to A, B , C,> > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > chart have> > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > finding such a partner..> > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > your chart.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > "venusgaal2003"> > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > survive.> > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > in the relationship.> > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > archives.> > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Hello Shreeya, Your functional karak Ma for marriage is in the grip of 6th lord Ju thus the karak Ma is spoiled. The fuctional karak Ve is in the sign of Ma and in the nakshtra ruled by Su. Ve is also on the border line of rasi sandhi. Ve is in the navamsa of your 6thlord Ju .The rasi is a dwiswabhawa rasi. So all by means Ve is heavily afflicted in the 7th of rasi and navamsa.Thus the status of Ve is spoiled. Your Mo who controls Mind and 9th house of dharma and father is in the grip of Ra/Ke and Sa. The Mo is in the 4th place from Ju in rasi and navamsa both.Thus Ju is helpless to help Mo. Mo is thus also heavily afflicted. Do you go against the advice of your father or just ignore the advice of your father ? As per my concept Saturnine people may be suitable as your partner subject to the other factors. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishravenusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 wrote: Dear Ashji,Harjeet ji and Rameshji,Could I request you to please analyse whether for the second time the married life would be ok or not?As pointed out by you Harjeet ji meeting a person with all these points is very difficult...but I request to look in to the aspect whether happy married life is promised in the future or not.Also what could be the husbands profession and other traits.Also now second part of the antara is running and whether marriage can take place in this one or the third one.Thanks and RegardsShreeya-- In , "harjeet bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi wrote:>> Got it sir> thanks> harjeet> > , "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Harjeet,> > > > You should start to count Ju's delay after Sa's delay is over. So first> > time, it come over Mars who is 7th lord and next time he will come> to 11th> > house so 2nd hit to 7th house.> > > > So first time Ju will rectify its own delay i.e when it comes over> 7th lord> > and then next, when it comes to 11th house it will aspect 7th house> so it> > will rectify Ve in Krittika making way clear for marriage.> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> > bakshi> > Tuesday September 11, 2007 7:51 PM> > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > got it. i think you mean 2 hits of Ju instead of Sa here ?> > so Jupiter in transit has to hit mars situated in NATAL chart.. is> > that point correct. next hit when it reaches 11th house and aspects > > 7th house.. so thats the 3rd hit right ?> > this 3rd hit would rectify the venus in krittika ?> > thanks/regards> > harjeet> > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ,> > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju> > to come> > > over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in> > transit. So> > > a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the> > > effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there> by it> > > will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will> > > enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over> after> > > that. > > > > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will> > give in> > > 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is> > LoD. So> > > here Me can give the result in 1st sector.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> http://www.ashtro.> > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ]> > On Behalf Of harjeet> > > bakshi> > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM> > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji,> > > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.> > > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when> > > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of> > > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage> > > occured.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct,> > next u> > > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the> > > status> > > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > > > > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in> > > navamsa.> > > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So> u are> > > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing> > > carefully and> > > > then come to a conclusion.> > > > > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th> > > lord is> > > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju> > > being> > > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord> > > so then> > > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or> lessons. > > > > > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as> > well so> > > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of> > > blessing.> > > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give> > > that. That> > > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly> > > then how> > > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a> > > chart> > > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it> > > will be> > > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to> give> > > > timing.> > > > > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of> > > Seperation).> > > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet> > then it> > > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. > > > Again in> > > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and> > > Ma. Its> > > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart> > > that u gave> > > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the> > > charts> > > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u> get, u> > > > will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro.ca>> > ca> ca>> > http://www.ashtro.> > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com]> > > On Behalf Of harjeet> > > > bakshi> > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> > > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the> navamsa> > > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> > > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> > > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> > > > thanks/regards> > > > harjeet> > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > SPK> > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > > > > but its a strong> > > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > > > > antra which is> > > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > > > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > > > > points... and in 12th> > > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > > > > planet.> > > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > > > > second partner.> > > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > > > > a partner whose> > > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > > > > connect to A, B , C,> > > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > > > > chart have> > > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > > > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > > > > finding such a partner..> > > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > > > > your chart.> > > > > > thanks/regards> > > > > > harjeet> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > > "venusgaal2003"> > > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > > > > related to my > > > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > > > > survive.> > > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > > > > around would it be > > > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > > > > in the relationship.> > > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > > > > chart has been > > > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > > > > archives.> > > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > > > > and it may take > > > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > > > > sector running > > > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > > > > There may be conflict among you ..> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > > > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > > > > are any chances > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly like that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from fifth the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale in discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live in Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards to all members R.K.BaqayaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Srinivas ji, Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I have a fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, i.e. results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! Possibly since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note the importance of 9th house related to marriage. * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's huband! * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or son! * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's brother! [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the words - "Some text books like "Deva Keralam" attributes 9H to second marriage. The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of spouse) in the event of death of the wife."] Note that - * in male horoscopes it is read as "2 wives (2nd marriage)" * in female horoscopes it is read as "2 husbands (2nd marriage)" Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as that of a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of "ignoring females" Possibly many women favoring women liberation movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes but also for female horoscopes. Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! My head is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible limits? Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - "The state of affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead or not; what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered first, prior to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the danger of jumping into a water less pool"! [Jumping into a waterless pool! What an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point with the right hammer! ] Love, Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > Response: > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second Marriage and the > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In short, 2H, > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct and valid in > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second marriage. > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons for ending of > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure accident {with so > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { people migrating > and going places for employment resulting in illegal affairs..etc.} or a > natural death or is it "great Indian QUEST" for SON(s) !!. Unless one sees > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision on promise of > second marriage & which houses to look can be resolved "peacefully" !!! > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than houses } > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the horsocope and > then the dasha} > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see combinations in > the horoscope and then dasha} > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & houses...then > dasha } > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope patterns } > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha pattern in > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the horoscope for > "signature patterns", see the dasha for probability to happen and then > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic horoscope, make a > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into other > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may hit "waterLESS > swimming pool" !!! > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation with wife or > differencs..... > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination for "wife beating > "!!! { reasons withheld here } > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring out the "human" > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a strong 12H and > simply say that the person enjoys "pleasures of bed" forgetting, it is 11H > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H would creat > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications a MUST for a > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come across is > generally 25% qualified astros....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Thankyou Ramesh, but the basic question irrespect of this chart is ... Can Jup be able to correct/rectify errors of all types in any chart like Venus in krittka,delay, Venus-Mars placemment in one constellation etc while hitting 7th house or its lord, If ... 1] it is 6th lord 2] has more points 3] causes itself a "Jupitor" delay Can this 6th lord change its inherent property and will act like "favourable planet". This is because 6th lord presence and it's sign even treated as spoiling nature. I think, here, Jup has to rectify its own error also by giving extra hit to 7th house/lord . Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Anup, Though you have asked your query to Ash, I am knocking my nose in between .If I am wrong Ash may correct me. Ju as 6th lord is mischievious and by all means its effect will be bad for 7th house matter. Secondly Ju is also in the sign of Sa so it can not reduce the delay caused by Sa even after its aspect on Sa. Its aspect on Ve also will not reduce the quality and status of Ve.But here in this chart Ju does not aspect Ve. That is what I am thinking. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra"Anup. M" <dalh_1 > wrote: Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshiTuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji,the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over whenjupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector ofsaturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriageoccured.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u> told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means thestatus> of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 innavamsa.> But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are> seeing these things, but take your time to study each thingcarefully and> then come to a conclusion.> > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6thlord is> with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Jubeing> 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lordso then> in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so> again here the status is being affected and so is the status ofblessing.> Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should givethat. That> way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindlythen how> would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on achart> and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but itwill be> well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give> timing.> > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but ofSeperation).> Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it> might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in> this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve andMa. Its> MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chartthat u gave> the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind thecharts> that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u> will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> bakshi> Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > Re: Second Marriage> > > > Dear Satish,> there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa> 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> thanks/regards> harjeet> astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> SPK> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > Satish> > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > but its a strong> > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > antra which is> > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > points... and in 12th> > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > planet.> > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > second partner.> > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > a partner whose> > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > connect to A, B , C,> > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > chart have> > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > finding such a partner..> > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > your chart.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > "venusgaal2003"> > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > survive.> > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > in the relationship.> > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > archives.> > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Anup, Good question. This phenomenon is based on Jupiter’s natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. So one is functional property and the other is natural property. In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. Just think over this. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji, the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage occured. thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the status > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in navamsa. > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing carefully and > then come to a conclusion. > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th lord is > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju being > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord so then > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of blessing. > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give that. That > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly then how > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a chart > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it will be > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > timing. > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of Seperation). > Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and Ma. Its > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart that u gave > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the charts > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > thanks/regards > harjeet > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > Satish > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > but its a strong > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > antra which is > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > points... and in 12th > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > planet. > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > second partner. > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > a partner whose > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > chart have > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > finding such a partner.. > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > your chart. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > survive. > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > in the relationship. > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > archives. > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Hello Ramesh Yes you are right that myself and my father have had disagreements on some points but as I have grown up these have decreased.By all means Venus is afflicted no doubt about that but will I get the same results for second marriage also or these were confined to the first one. Thanks and Regards Shreeya , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Hello Shreeya, > Your functional karak Ma for marriage is in the grip of 6th lord Ju thus the karak Ma is spoiled. > The fuctional karak Ve is in the sign of Ma and in the nakshtra ruled by Su. > Ve is also on the border line of rasi sandhi. > Ve is in the navamsa of your 6thlord Ju .The rasi is a dwiswabhawa rasi. > So all by means Ve is heavily afflicted in the 7th of rasi and navamsa.Thus the status of Ve is spoiled. > Your Mo who controls Mind and 9th house of dharma and father is in the grip of Ra/Ke and Sa. > The Mo is in the 4th place from Ju in rasi and navamsa both.Thus Ju is helpless to help Mo. Mo is thus also heavily afflicted. > Do you go against the advice of your father or just ignore the advice of your father ? > As per my concept Saturnine people may be suitable as your partner subject to the other factors. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 wrote: > Dear Ashji,Harjeet ji and Rameshji, > > Could I request you to please analyse whether for the second time > the married life would be ok or not?As pointed out by you Harjeet ji > meeting a person with all these points is very difficult...but I > request to look in to the aspect whether happy married life is > promised in the future or not.Also what could be the husbands > profession and other traits. > > Also now second part of the antara is running and whether marriage > can take place in this one or the third one. > > Thanks and Regards > Shreeya > > -- In , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Got it sir > > thanks > > harjeet > > > > , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > You should start to count Ju's delay after Sa's delay is over. > So first > > > time, it come over Mars who is 7th lord and next time he will > come > > to 11th > > > house so 2nd hit to 7th house. > > > > > > So first time Ju will rectify its own delay i.e when it comes > over > > 7th lord > > > and then next, when it comes to 11th house it will aspect 7th > house > > so it > > > will rectify Ve in Krittika making way clear for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > harjeet > > > bakshi > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 7:51 PM > > > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > got it. i think you mean 2 hits of Ju instead of Sa here ? > > > so Jupiter in transit has to hit mars situated in NATAL chart.. > is > > > that point correct. next hit when it reaches 11th house and > aspects > > > 7th house.. so thats the 3rd hit right ? > > > this 3rd hit would rectify the venus in krittika ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents , > > > " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are > taking Ju > > > to come > > > > over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in > > > transit. So > > > > a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to > remove the > > > > effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, > there > > by it > > > > will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, > Ju will > > > > enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get > over > > after > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It > will > > > give in > > > > 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa > is > > > LoD. So > > > > here Me can give the result in 1st sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents > > > > [astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents ] > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > > > bakshi > > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji, > > > > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th > may 2000. > > > > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets > over when > > > > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector > of > > > > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the > marriage > > > > occured. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > > <%40> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com, > > > > " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > > > > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is > correct, > > > next u > > > > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it > means the > > > > status > > > > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in > 5:9 in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? > So > > u are > > > > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing > > > > carefully and > > > > > then come to a conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. > Here 6th > > > > lord is > > > > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer > lagna Ju > > > > being > > > > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and > 7th lord > > > > so then > > > > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or > > lessons. > > > > > > > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord > as > > > well so > > > > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status > of > > > > blessing. > > > > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should > give > > > > that. That > > > > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you > blindly > > > > then how > > > > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper > calculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality > time on a > > > > chart > > > > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, > but it > > > > will be > > > > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should > try to > > give > > > > > timing. > > > > > > > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of > > > > Seperation). > > > > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing > planet > > > then it > > > > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given > somewhere. > > > > Again in > > > > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to > Ve and > > > > Ma. Its > > > > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends > chart > > > > that u gave > > > > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in > mind the > > > > charts > > > > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next > chart u > > get, u > > > > > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > ca> ca> > > > http://www.ashtro. > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > > <%40> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge > > > > <%40> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > > > > bakshi > > > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > > <%40> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com > > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > > > > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the > > navamsa > > > > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > > > > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > > > > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > > > <%40> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com, > > > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > > > > > but its a strong > > > > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > > > > > antra which is > > > > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > > > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > > > > > points... and in 12th > > > > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > > > > > second partner. > > > > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > > > > > a partner whose > > > > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > > > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > > > > > chart have > > > > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > > > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > > > > > finding such a partner.. > > > > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > > > <%40> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com, > > > > > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > > > > > related to my > > > > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > > > > > survive. > > > > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > > > > > around would it be > > > > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > > > > > in the relationship. > > > > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > > > > > <%40> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com, > > > > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > > > > > chart has been > > > > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > > > > > archives. > > > > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > > > > > and it may take > > > > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > > > > > sector running > > > > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > > > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > > > > > are any chances > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ash, Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. Thank you once again:) Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, Good question. This phenomenon is based on Jupiter’s natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. So one is functional property and the other is natural property. In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. Just think over this. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. MWednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshiTuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji,the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over whenjupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector ofsaturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriageoccured.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u> told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means thestatus> of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 innavamsa.> But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are> seeing these things, but take your time to study each thingcarefully and> then come to a conclusion.> > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6thlord is> with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Jubeing> 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lordso then> in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so> again here the status is being affected and so is the status ofblessing.> Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should givethat. That> way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindlythen how> would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on achart> and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but itwill be> well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give> timing.> > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but ofSeperation).> Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it> might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in> this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve andMa. Its> MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chartthat u gave> the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind thecharts> that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u> will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> bakshi> Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > Subject: Re: Second Marriage> > > > Dear Satish,> there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa> 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> thanks/regards> harjeet> astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> SPK> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > Satish> > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > but its a strong> > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > antra which is> > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > points... and in 12th> > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > planet.> > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > second partner.> > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > a partner whose> > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > connect to A, B , C,> > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > chart have> > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > finding such a partner..> > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > your chart.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > "venusgaal2003"> > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > survive.> > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > in the relationship.> > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > archives.> > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Anup, No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. Say if someone’s venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property and it’s the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage and 12th house and that is pleasures. Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus and that says a lot. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. Thank you once again:) Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, Good question. This phenomenon is based on Jupiter’s natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. So one is functional property and the other is natural property. In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. Just think over this. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji, the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage occured. thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the status > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in navamsa. > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing carefully and > then come to a conclusion. > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th lord is > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju being > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord so then > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of blessing. > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give that. That > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly then how > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a chart > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it will be > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > timing. > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of Seperation). > Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and Ma. Its > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart that u gave > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the charts > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > thanks/regards > harjeet > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > Satish > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > but its a strong > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > antra which is > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > points... and in 12th > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > planet. > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > second partner. > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > a partner whose > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > chart have > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > finding such a partner.. > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > your chart. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > survive. > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > in the relationship. > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > archives. > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it > > > now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the > hottest shows on TV. > > http://tv.. <http://tv./> com/ > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Natural properties are fixed. Ju will always be natural 9th and 12th lord. That will not change. When Ju is in Libra then that is different matter. So here such a Ju might cause delay in marriage or disturb marital life, so we take Ju to delay to about 2 rounds. All these things have been covered. Just take a few moments to think and digest what I am saying. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ashji, so for a person with their jupiter in libra.. in such a chart also jupiter can rectify the 7th house by its hits on 7th house or its lord ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. > As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can > rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given > maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their > benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. > > Thank you once again:) > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Anup, > Good question. > This phenomenon is based on Jupiter's natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. > So one is functional property and the other is natural property. > In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. > That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. > So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. > Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. > Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. > Just think over this. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Sorry for this question Ash > > Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? > > As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. > > Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Satish/Ashji, > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage > occured. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the > status > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in > navamsa. > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing > carefully and > > then come to a conclusion. > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th > lord is > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju > being > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord > so then > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of > blessing. > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give > that. That > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly > then how > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a > chart > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it > will be > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > > timing. > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of > Seperation). > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. > Again in > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and > Ma. Its > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart > that u gave > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the > charts > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > bakshi > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > > but its a strong > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > > antra which is > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > > points... and in 12th > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > > planet. > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > > second partner. > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > > a partner whose > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > > chart have > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > > finding such a partner.. > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > > your chart. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > > related to my > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > > survive. > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > > around would it be > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > > in the relationship. > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > > chart has been > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > > archives. > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > > and it may take > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > > sector running > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > > are any chances > > > > > in > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Baqaya ji, ==> > was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th. > Probably some typing mistake. <== You are absolutely right, that was a typo. It happens at times... As you have mentioned it is, 10th house that should represent " maternal uncle's daugher or son " . ==> > Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include > the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart. <== I doubt whether to agree with it or not. Son/Daughter of Mother's brother (maternal uncle's daughter or son) is considered as Jamata (Husband/wife of son/daughter) in many parts of Kerala, especially south india. This system is weakening now for good(yes, it is not good to marry from blood relation). But in a discussion on marriage or marriage from relations, definitely the mention of " " maternal uncle's daughter or son " becomes unavoidable in Indian scenario. But of course the point you mentioned in valid to an extend, since we have to go 3 steps to achieve this relation, such as - 1) 4th house = mother 2) 6th house (3rd from 4th) = mother's brother/sister 3) 10th house (5th from 6th) = son/daughter of mother's brother/sister 1st steps acceptable; possibly 2nd step too (Bhavat Bhavam is acceptable); Then 3rd step (should we accept it?). All together the process takes us 3 steps away from the native's chart. Because of this, I may agree to you to certain extend. But still the doubt holds " I doubt whether to agree with it or not " . Hope you will agree with me. Welcome to this group and feel free to share you knowledge and awareness - we would love to be in the receptive end. Love, Sreenadh , Rup Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: > > My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly like that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from fifth the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. > I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale in discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live in Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards to all members R.K.Baqaya > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Srinivas ji, > Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I have a > fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, i.e. > results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? > By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! Possibly > since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note the > importance of 9th house related to marriage. > * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's huband! > * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or son! > * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's brother! > > [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the words - > " Some text books like " Deva Keralam " attributes 9H to second marriage. > The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of > marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of > spouse) in the event of death of the wife. " ] > Note that - > * in male horoscopes it is read as " 2 wives (2nd marriage) " > * in female horoscopes it is read as " 2 husbands (2nd marriage) " > Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as that of > a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of > " ignoring females " Possibly many women favoring women liberation > movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - > astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes but > also for female horoscopes. > Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for > female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. > > Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! My head > is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible limits? > > Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - " The state of > affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead or not; > what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered first, prior > to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the danger of > jumping into a water less pool " ! [Jumping into a waterless pool! What > an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point with the > right hammer! ] > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " sreeram srinivas " > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > > > Response: > > > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second Marriage > and the > > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In > short, 2H, > > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct and valid in > > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second marriage. > > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons for > ending of > > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure accident > {with so > > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { people > migrating > > and going places for employment resulting in illegal affairs..etc.} > or a > > natural death or is it " great Indian QUEST " for SON(s) !!. Unless > one sees > > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision on > promise of > > second marriage & which houses to look can be resolved " peacefully " !!! > > > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than houses } > > > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the horsocope and > > then the dasha} > > > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see > combinations in > > the horoscope and then dasha} > > > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & > houses...then > > dasha } > > > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope patterns } > > > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha pattern in > > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the horoscope for > > " signature patterns " , see the dasha for probability to happen and then > > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic > horoscope, make a > > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into other > > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may hit " waterLESS > > swimming pool " !!! > > > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation with wife or > > differencs..... > > > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination for " wife > beating > > " !!! { reasons withheld here } > > > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring out the > " human " > > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a strong 12H and > > simply say that the person enjoys " pleasures of bed " forgetting, it > is 11H > > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H would creat > > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications a MUST > for a > > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come across is > > generally 25% qualified astros....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Hello Sreenadh, Thanks for the welcome.Yes,typing mistakes are common and given my age may be i make more of them at times.As regards the other point,i agree that destinies are linked.However i think astrology itself tells us to view all matters with in the overall purview of Kala,patra and desha.So may be in olden times of joint families stretching astrology to such an extent would have been justified.But in modern times when people hardly have the time to even meet relatives such stretching may not work,for linked destinies would certainly have a relationship with the amount of interaction between the concerned ppl.Regards RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Baqaya ji, ==> > was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th. > Probably some typing mistake. <== You are absolutely right, that was a typo. It happens at times... As you have mentioned it is, 10th house that should represent "maternal uncle's daugher or son". ==> > Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include > the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart. <== I doubt whether to agree with it or not. Son/Daughter of Mother's brother (maternal uncle's daughter or son) is considered as Jamata (Husband/wife of son/daughter) in many parts of Kerala, especially south india. This system is weakening now for good(yes, it is not good to marry from blood relation). But in a discussion on marriage or marriage from relations, definitely the mention of ""maternal uncle's daughter or son" becomes unavoidable in Indian scenario. But of course the point you mentioned in valid to an extend, since we have to go 3 steps to achieve this relation, such as - 1) 4th house = mother 2) 6th house (3rd from 4th) = mother's brother/sister 3) 10th house (5th from 6th) = son/daughter of mother's brother/sister 1st steps acceptable; possibly 2nd step too (Bhavat Bhavam is acceptable); Then 3rd step (should we accept it?). All together the process takes us 3 steps away from the native's chart. Because of this, I may agree to you to certain extend. But still the doubt holds "I doubt whether to agree with it or not". Hope you will agree with me. Welcome to this group and feel free to share you knowledge and awareness - we would love to be in the receptive end. Love, Sreenadh , Rup Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: > > My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly like that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from fifth the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. > I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale in discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live in Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards to all members R.K.Baqaya > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Srinivas ji, > Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I have a > fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, i.e. > results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? > By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! Possibly > since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note the > importance of 9th house related to marriage. > * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's huband! > * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or son! > * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's brother! > > [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the words - > "Some text books like "Deva Keralam" attributes 9H to second marriage. > The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of > marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of > spouse) in the event of death of the wife."] > Note that - > * in male horoscopes it is read as "2 wives (2nd marriage)" > * in female horoscopes it is read as "2 husbands (2nd marriage)" > Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as that of > a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of > "ignoring females" Possibly many women favoring women liberation > movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - > astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes but > also for female horoscopes. > Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for > female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. > > Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! My head > is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible limits? > > Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - "The state of > affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead or not; > what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered first, prior > to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the danger of > jumping into a water less pool"! [Jumping into a waterless pool! What > an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point with the > right hammer! ] > Love, > Sreenadh > > , "sreeram srinivas" > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > > > Response: > > > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second Marriage > and the > > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In > short, 2H, > > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct and valid in > > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second marriage. > > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons for > ending of > > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure accident > {with so > > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { people > migrating > > and going places for employment resulting in illegal affairs..etc.} > or a > > natural death or is it "great Indian QUEST" for SON(s) !!. Unless > one sees > > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision on > promise of > > second marriage & which houses to look can be resolved "peacefully" !!! > > > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than houses } > > > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the horsocope and > > then the dasha} > > > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see > combinations in > > the horoscope and then dasha} > > > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & > houses...then > > dasha } > > > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope patterns } > > > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha pattern in > > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the horoscope for > > "signature patterns", see the dasha for probability to happen and then > > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic > horoscope, make a > > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into other > > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may hit "waterLESS > > swimming pool" !!! > > > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation with wife or > > differencs..... > > > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination for "wife > beating > > "!!! { reasons withheld here } > > > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring out the > "human" > > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a strong 12H and > > simply say that the person enjoys "pleasures of bed" forgetting, it > is 11H > > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H would creat > > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications a MUST > for a > > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come across is > > generally 25% qualified astros....... I might have missed few things > here in > > my hurry to post this message, others can elaborate it further..... > > > > with regards, > > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Ash, Many thanxs for your response.I cld undersatand the time value. I am thankful to Guru Krushna ji,who inspired you and spread this light to everyone. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. Say if someone’s venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property and it’s the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage and 12th house and that is pleasures. Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus and that says a lot. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. MWednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. Thank you once again:) Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, Good question. This phenomenon is based on Jupiter’s natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. So one is functional property and the other is natural property. In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. Just think over this. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. MWednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshiTuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji,the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000.jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over whenjupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector ofsaturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriageoccured.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u> told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means thestatus> of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 innavamsa.> But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are> seeing these things, but take your time to study each thingcarefully and> then come to a conclusion.> > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6thlord is> with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Jubeing> 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lordso then> in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so> again here the status is being affected and so is the status ofblessing.> Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should givethat. That> way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindlythen how> would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation.> > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on achart> and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but itwill be> well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give> timing.> > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but ofSeperation).> Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it> might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in> this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve andMa. Its> MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chartthat u gave> the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind thecharts> that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u> will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> bakshi> Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > Re: Second Marriage> > > > Dear Satish,> there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa> 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> thanks/regards> harjeet> astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> SPK> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > Satish> > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > but its a strong> > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > antra which is> > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > points... and in 12th> > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > planet.> > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > second partner.> > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > a partner whose> > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > connect to A, B , C,> > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > chart have> > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > finding such a partner..> > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > your chart.> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > "venusgaal2003"> > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > survive.> > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > in the relationship.> > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> <%40>vents ,> > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > archives.> > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Krishen ji, I agree to your advice. ==> i agree that destinies are linked. However i think astrology itself tells us to view all matters with in the overall purview of Kala,patra and desha.So may be in olden times of joint families stretching astrology to such an extent would have been justified. But in modern times when people hardly have the time to even meet relatives such stretching may not work, for linked destinies would certainly have a relationship with the amount of interaction between the concerned ppl. <== Since we were discussing some slokas that associate 2nd marriage with 9th etc, we all were trying to find the logic behind the same. That is what lead us to the prior said derivations. Of course Desha, Kala, Patra is very very important in all of the astrological predictions. It is said that an individual born in King's family may become king even if Raja yoga is not present in his horoscope; similarly minor Rajayogas won't be enough to make a beggar a King. Similar things are stressed by our sages in many contexts. A sloka with the same meaning as you mentioned, that comes to my mind is - " Desha Kalascha sarvatra tattad phala niroopane Daivanjayir anusartavyo nischyaditi sampratam " [The astrologers should obay, after evaluating with their intelligence, Desha & Kala (Time, Place)] Of couse apart from Time, Kala here also refer to environment and possibility. Please have a look at the document " Lagna lord in Various Houses.pdf " which you will find inside the folder named " Sreenadh " in the files section. URL: Sreenadh/ Lagna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf The major thread of discussion is about the same - i.e. " Results to be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " . The current thread on " Second marriage " is a sub-thread originated from the same. We are waiting for your valuable comments on the main thread - " Results to be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " as well. Love, Sreenadh , Rup Baqaya <baqayarup wrote: > > Hello Sreenadh, Thanks for the welcome.Yes,typing mistakes are common and given my age may be i make more of them at times. > As regards the other point,i agree that destinies are linked.However i think astrology itself tells us to view all matters with in the overall purview of Kala,patra and desha.So may be in olden times of joint families stretching astrology to such an extent would have been justified.But in modern times when people hardly have the time to even meet relatives such stretching may not work,for linked destinies would certainly have a relationship with the amount of interaction between the concerned ppl.Regards RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Baqaya ji, > ==> > > was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th. > > Probably some typing mistake. > <== > You are absolutely right, that was a typo. It happens at > times... > As you have mentioned it is, 10th house that should > represent " maternal uncle's daugher or son " . > ==> > > Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to include > > the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart. > <== > I doubt whether to agree with it or not. Son/Daughter of Mother's > brother (maternal uncle's daughter or son) is considered as Jamata > (Husband/wife of son/daughter) in many parts of Kerala, especially > south india. This system is weakening now for good(yes, it is not > good to marry from blood relation). But in a discussion on marriage > or marriage from relations, definitely the mention of " " maternal > uncle's daughter or son " becomes unavoidable in Indian scenario. But > of course the point you mentioned in valid to an extend, since we > have to go 3 steps to achieve this relation, such as - > 1) 4th house = mother > 2) 6th house (3rd from 4th) = mother's brother/sister > 3) 10th house (5th from 6th) = son/daughter of mother's > brother/sister > 1st steps acceptable; possibly 2nd step too (Bhavat Bhavam is > acceptable); Then 3rd step (should we accept it?). All together the > process takes us 3 steps away from the native's chart. Because of > this, I may agree to you to certain extend. But still the doubt > holds " I doubt whether to agree with it or not " . Hope you will > agree with me. > Welcome to this group and feel free to share you knowledge and > awareness - we would love to be in the receptive end. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly like > that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The > fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from fifth > the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we > should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of the > maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. > > I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale in > discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live in > Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a > good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards to > all members R.K.Baqaya > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > Srinivas ji, > > Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I > have a > > fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, i.e. > > results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? > > By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! Possibly > > since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note the > > importance of 9th house related to marriage. > > * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's > huband! > > * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or > son! > > * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's > brother! > > > > [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the > words - > > " Some text books like " Deva Keralam " attributes 9H to second > marriage. > > The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of > > marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of > > spouse) in the event of death of the wife. " ] > > Note that - > > * in male horoscopes it is read as " 2 wives (2nd marriage) " > > * in female horoscopes it is read as " 2 husbands (2nd marriage) " > > Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as > that of > > a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of > > " ignoring females " Possibly many women favoring women liberation > > movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - > > astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes but > > also for female horoscopes. > > Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for > > female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. > > > > Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! My > head > > is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible > limits? > > > > Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - " The state of > > affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead or > not; > > what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered first, > prior > > to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the > danger of > > jumping into a water less pool " ! [Jumping into a waterless pool! > What > > an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point with > the > > right hammer! ] > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > > > > > Response: > > > > > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second > Marriage > > and the > > > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In > > short, 2H, > > > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct and > valid in > > > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second > marriage. > > > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons for > > ending of > > > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure > accident > > {with so > > > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { people > > migrating > > > and going places for employment resulting in illegal > affairs..etc.} > > or a > > > natural death or is it " great Indian QUEST " for SON(s) !!. > Unless > > one sees > > > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision on > > promise of > > > second marriage & which houses to look can be > resolved " peacefully " !!! > > > > > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than > houses } > > > > > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the > horsocope and > > > then the dasha} > > > > > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see > > combinations in > > > the horoscope and then dasha} > > > > > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & > > houses...then > > > dasha } > > > > > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope patterns } > > > > > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha > pattern in > > > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the > horoscope for > > > " signature patterns " , see the dasha for probability to happen > and then > > > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic > > horoscope, make a > > > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into other > > > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may > hit " waterLESS > > > swimming pool " !!! > > > > > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation with > wife or > > > differencs..... > > > > > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination > for " wife > > beating > > > " !!! { reasons withheld here } > > > > > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > > > > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring out > the > > " human " > > > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a strong > 12H and > > > simply say that the person enjoys " pleasures of bed " forgetting, > it > > is 11H > > > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H > would creat > > > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > > > > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications a > MUST > > for a > > > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come > across is > > > generally 25% qualified astros....... I might have missed few > things > > here in > > > my hurry to post this message, others can elaborate it > further..... > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Hi Srinadh, Instead of commenting on ur file it will be more convenient for me to tell what i think the results would be for the lagna lord in various houses.Hope it is ok with you.I am starting now in a separate message. RK--- In , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Krishen ji, > I agree to your advice. > ==> > i agree that destinies are linked. However i think astrology itself > tells us to view all matters with in the overall purview of > Kala,patra and desha.So may be in olden times of joint families > stretching astrology to such an extent would have been justified. But > in modern times when people hardly have the time to even meet > relatives such stretching may not work, for linked destinies would > certainly have a relationship with the amount of interaction between > the concerned ppl. > <== > Since we were discussing some slokas that associate 2nd marriage > with 9th etc, we all were trying to find the logic behind the same. > That is what lead us to the prior said derivations. > Of course Desha, Kala, Patra is very very important in all of the > astrological predictions. It is said that an individual born in > King's family may become king even if Raja yoga is not present in his > horoscope; similarly minor Rajayogas won't be enough to make a beggar > a King. Similar things are stressed by our sages in many contexts. A > sloka with the same meaning as you mentioned, that comes to my mind > is - > " Desha Kalascha sarvatra tattad phala niroopane > Daivanjayir anusartavyo nischyaditi sampratam " > [The astrologers should obay, after evaluating with their > intelligence, Desha & Kala (Time, Place)] Of couse apart from Time, > Kala here also refer to environment and possibility. > Please have a look at the document " Lagna lord in Various > Houses.pdf " which you will find inside the folder named " Sreenadh " > in the files section. > URL: > Sreenadh/ > Lagna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > The major thread of discussion is about the same - i.e. " Results to > be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " . The current thread > on " Second marriage " is a sub-thread originated from the same. We are > waiting for your valuable comments on the main thread - " Results to > be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " as well. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Rup Baqaya > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Thanks for the welcome.Yes,typing mistakes are > common and given my age may be i make more of them at times. > > As regards the other point,i agree that destinies are > linked.However i think astrology itself tells us to view all matters > with in the overall purview of Kala,patra and desha.So may be in > olden times of joint families stretching astrology to such an extent > would have been justified.But in modern times when people hardly have > the time to even meet relatives such stretching may not work,for > linked destinies would certainly have a relationship with the amount > of interaction between the concerned > ppl.Regards RK > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > Baqaya ji, > > ==> > > > was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th. > > > Probably some typing mistake. > > <== > > You are absolutely right, that was a typo. It happens at > > times... > > As you have mentioned it is, 10th house that should > > represent " maternal uncle's daugher or son " . > > ==> > > > Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to > include > > > the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart. > > <== > > I doubt whether to agree with it or not. Son/Daughter of Mother's > > brother (maternal uncle's daughter or son) is considered as Jamata > > (Husband/wife of son/daughter) in many parts of Kerala, especially > > south india. This system is weakening now for good(yes, it is not > > good to marry from blood relation). But in a discussion on > marriage > > or marriage from relations, definitely the mention of " " maternal > > uncle's daughter or son " becomes unavoidable in Indian scenario. > But > > of course the point you mentioned in valid to an extend, since we > > have to go 3 steps to achieve this relation, such as - > > 1) 4th house = mother > > 2) 6th house (3rd from 4th) = mother's brother/sister > > 3) 10th house (5th from 6th) = son/daughter of mother's > > brother/sister > > 1st steps acceptable; possibly 2nd step too (Bhavat Bhavam is > > acceptable); Then 3rd step (should we accept it?). All together > the > > process takes us 3 steps away from the native's chart. Because of > > this, I may agree to you to certain extend. But still the doubt > > holds " I doubt whether to agree with it or not " . Hope you will > > agree with me. > > Welcome to this group and feel free to share you knowledge and > > awareness - we would love to be in the receptive end. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly > like > > that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The > > fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from > fifth > > the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we > > should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of > the > > maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. > > > I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale > in > > discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live > in > > Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a > > good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards > to > > all members R.K.Baqaya > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > > Srinivas ji, > > > Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I > > have a > > > fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, > i.e. > > > results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? > > > By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! > Possibly > > > since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note > the > > > importance of 9th house related to marriage. > > > * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's > > huband! > > > * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or > > son! > > > * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's > > brother! > > > > > > [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the > > words - > > > " Some text books like " Deva Keralam " attributes 9H to second > > marriage. > > > The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of > > > marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of > > > spouse) in the event of death of the wife. " ] > > > Note that - > > > * in male horoscopes it is read as " 2 wives (2nd marriage) " > > > * in female horoscopes it is read as " 2 husbands (2nd > marriage) " > > > Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as > > that of > > > a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of > > > " ignoring females " Possibly many women favoring women > liberation > > > movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - > > > astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes > but > > > also for female horoscopes. > > > Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for > > > female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. > > > > > > Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! > My > > head > > > is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible > > limits? > > > > > > Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - " The state of > > > affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead > or > > not; > > > what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered > first, > > prior > > > to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the > > danger of > > > jumping into a water less pool " ! [Jumping into a waterless > pool! > > What > > > an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point > with > > the > > > right hammer! ] > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " sreeram > srinivas " > > > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > > > > > > > Response: > > > > > > > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second > > Marriage > > > and the > > > > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In > > > short, 2H, > > > > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct > and > > valid in > > > > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second > > marriage. > > > > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons > for > > > ending of > > > > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure > > accident > > > {with so > > > > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { > people > > > migrating > > > > and going places for employment resulting in illegal > > affairs..etc.} > > > or a > > > > natural death or is it " great Indian QUEST " for SON(s) !!. > > Unless > > > one sees > > > > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision > on > > > promise of > > > > second marriage & which houses to look can be > > resolved " peacefully " !!! > > > > > > > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than > > houses } > > > > > > > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the > > horsocope and > > > > then the dasha} > > > > > > > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see > > > combinations in > > > > the horoscope and then dasha} > > > > > > > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & > > > houses...then > > > > dasha } > > > > > > > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope > patterns } > > > > > > > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha > > pattern in > > > > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the > > horoscope for > > > > " signature patterns " , see the dasha for probability to happen > > and then > > > > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic > > > horoscope, make a > > > > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into > other > > > > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may > > hit " waterLESS > > > > swimming pool " !!! > > > > > > > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation > with > > wife or > > > > differencs..... > > > > > > > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination > > for " wife > > > beating > > > > " !!! { reasons withheld here } > > > > > > > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > > > > > > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring > out > > the > > > " human " > > > > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a > strong > > 12H and > > > > simply say that the person enjoys " pleasures of bed " > forgetting, > > it > > > is 11H > > > > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H > > would creat > > > > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > > > > > > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications > a > > MUST > > > for a > > > > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come > > across is > > > > generally 25% qualified astros....... I might have missed few > > things > > > here in > > > > my hurry to post this message, others can elaborate it > > further..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > > today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Anup, Yes, that is right. It’s Krushnaji who took pains to explain to me all these things, but I had to work hard and practice and I am telling you all the same thing. We can get and read all the books in the world, but with practical and here it means solving charts, you develop intuition and also experience and confidence. Sometimes things do not match, so for that, keep such files in separate folder and re-visit them at a later stage once u get more experience or u get new lessons. Also, not to make haste, this knowledge cannot come over night and one must be patient and keep at it. Not to be disappointed if u make mistakes, as no one can learn to run before learning to walk and before that one must learn to crawl. So it will all come to you, but u need lots of time, and patience and lots of practice. Only working hard is in our hands, the results will happen or come when the time is right. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 1:59 PM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Many thanxs for your response.I cld undersatand the time value. I am thankful to Guru Krushna ji,who inspired you and spread this light to everyone. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. Say if someone’s venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property and it’s the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage and 12th house and that is pleasures. Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus and that says a lot. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. Thank you once again:) Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, Good question. This phenomenon is based on Jupiter’s natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. So one is functional property and the other is natural property. In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. Just think over this. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM RE: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ash, Sorry for this question Ash Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Harjeet, Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM Re: Second Marriage Dear Satish/Ashji, the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage occured. thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the status > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in navamsa. > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing carefully and > then come to a conclusion. > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th lord is > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju being > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord so then > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of blessing. > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give that. That > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly then how > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a chart > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it will be > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > timing. > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of Seperation). > Study the pdf running. > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. Again in > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and Ma. Its > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart that u gave > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the charts > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > thanks/regards > harjeet > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > Satish > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > but its a strong > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > antra which is > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > points... and in 12th > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > planet. > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > second partner. > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > a partner whose > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > chart have > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > finding such a partner.. > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > your chart. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > related to my > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > finalised and I was still > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > survive. > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > around would it be > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > the conflicts...any > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > in the relationship. > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > in krittika....any > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > chart has been > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > archives. > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > and it may take > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > sector running > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > are any chances > > > > in > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > any matrimonial > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Krishen ji, Great! Thanks! Proceed! Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " Rup Krishen Baqaya " <baqayarup wrote: > > Hi Srinadh, Instead of commenting on ur file it will be more > convenient for me to tell what i think the results would be for the > lagna lord in various houses.Hope it is ok with you.I am starting now > in a separate message. RK--- In > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishen ji, > > I agree to your advice. > > ==> > > i agree that destinies are linked. However i think astrology itself > > tells us to view all matters with in the overall purview of > > Kala,patra and desha.So may be in olden times of joint families > > stretching astrology to such an extent would have been justified. But > > in modern times when people hardly have the time to even meet > > relatives such stretching may not work, for linked destinies would > > certainly have a relationship with the amount of interaction between > > the concerned ppl. > > <== > > Since we were discussing some slokas that associate 2nd marriage > > with 9th etc, we all were trying to find the logic behind the same. > > That is what lead us to the prior said derivations. > > Of course Desha, Kala, Patra is very very important in all of the > > astrological predictions. It is said that an individual born in > > King's family may become king even if Raja yoga is not present in his > > horoscope; similarly minor Rajayogas won't be enough to make a beggar > > a King. Similar things are stressed by our sages in many contexts. A > > sloka with the same meaning as you mentioned, that comes to my mind > > is - > > " Desha Kalascha sarvatra tattad phala niroopane > > Daivanjayir anusartavyo nischyaditi sampratam " > > [The astrologers should obay, after evaluating with their > > intelligence, Desha & Kala (Time, Place)] Of couse apart from Time, > > Kala here also refer to environment and possibility. > > Please have a look at the document " Lagna lord in Various > > Houses.pdf " which you will find inside the folder named " Sreenadh " > > in the files section. > > URL: > > Sreenadh/ > > Lagna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf > > > > The major thread of discussion is about the same - i.e. " Results to > > be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " . The current thread > > on " Second marriage " is a sub-thread originated from the same. We are > > waiting for your valuable comments on the main thread - " Results to > > be derived for Lagna lord in various houses " as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Thanks for the welcome.Yes,typing mistakes are > > common and given my age may be i make more of them at times. > > > As regards the other point,i agree that destinies are > > linked.However i think astrology itself tells us to view all matters > > with in the overall purview of Kala,patra and desha.So may be in > > olden times of joint families stretching astrology to such an extent > > would have been justified.But in modern times when people hardly have > > the time to even meet relatives such stretching may not work,for > > linked destinies would certainly have a relationship with the amount > > of interaction between the concerned > > ppl.Regards RK > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > > Baqaya ji, > > > ==> > > > > was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th. > > > > Probably some typing mistake. > > > <== > > > You are absolutely right, that was a typo. It happens at > > > times... > > > As you have mentioned it is, 10th house that should > > > represent " maternal uncle's daugher or son " . > > > ==> > > > > Also i think we should not stretch astrology so far as to > > include > > > > the affairs of the maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart. > > > <== > > > I doubt whether to agree with it or not. Son/Daughter of Mother's > > > brother (maternal uncle's daughter or son) is considered as Jamata > > > (Husband/wife of son/daughter) in many parts of Kerala, especially > > > south india. This system is weakening now for good(yes, it is not > > > good to marry from blood relation). But in a discussion on > > marriage > > > or marriage from relations, definitely the mention of " " maternal > > > uncle's daughter or son " becomes unavoidable in Indian scenario. > > But > > > of course the point you mentioned in valid to an extend, since we > > > have to go 3 steps to achieve this relation, such as - > > > 1) 4th house = mother > > > 2) 6th house (3rd from 4th) = mother's brother/sister > > > 3) 10th house (5th from 6th) = son/daughter of mother's > > > brother/sister > > > 1st steps acceptable; possibly 2nd step too (Bhavat Bhavam is > > > acceptable); Then 3rd step (should we accept it?). All together > > the > > > process takes us 3 steps away from the native's chart. Because of > > > this, I may agree to you to certain extend. But still the doubt > > > holds " I doubt whether to agree with it or not " . Hope you will > > > agree with me. > > > Welcome to this group and feel free to share you knowledge and > > > awareness - we would love to be in the receptive end. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Rup Baqaya > > > <baqayarup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My Dear Sreenadh, Sorry to join in the discussioin abruptly > > like > > > that but was wondering how the 9th house could be 5th from 6th.The > > > fifth from sixth will be tenth.And ninth a trine is fifth from > > fifth > > > the other trine house.Probably some typing mistake.Also i think we > > > should not stretch astrology so far as to include the affairs of > > the > > > maternal uncle's daughter in a native's chart.Just a thought. > > > > I think i must introduce myself before joining full scale > > in > > > discussions.My name is Rup Krishen Baqaya.Am 61 years old and live > > in > > > Pune.Having retired i find discussions in astrology groups a > > > good pastime.Joined the group on invitation yesterday.With regards > > to > > > all members R.K.Baqaya > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear > > > Srinivas ji, > > > > Great as usual! I agree with you on many points. But I > > > have a > > > > fear - are we diverting from the main thread under discussion, > > i.e. > > > > results to be predicted for Lagna lord in various houses? > > > > By the way, lagna lord in 3rd can indicate 2nd marriage! > > Possibly > > > > since lagna lord in 3rd aspects 9th house. It is cute to note > > the > > > > importance of 9th house related to marriage. > > > > * 9th house - It is 7th from 3rd - brother's wife or sister's > > > huband! > > > > * 9th house - It is 5th from 6th - maternal uncle's daugher or > > > son! > > > > * 9th house - It is 3rd from 7th - wife's sister or huband's > > > brother! > > > > > > > > [The last point is already mentioned by Madhu ji through the > > > words - > > > > " Some text books like " Deva Keralam " attributes 9H to second > > > marriage. > > > > The rationale behind it is , there was (still is ) a practice of > > > > marrying sister of the wife (3H of sibling reckoned from 7H of > > > > spouse) in the event of death of the wife. " ] > > > > Note that - > > > > * in male horoscopes it is read as " 2 wives (2nd marriage) " > > > > * in female horoscopes it is read as " 2 husbands (2nd > > marriage) " > > > > Most of the astrological texts treat the horoscope reading as > > > that of > > > > a male native; but in hurry we shouldn't commit the mistake of > > > > " ignoring females " Possibly many women favoring women > > liberation > > > > movement also might be present in this group. Even if not - > > > > astrologers not only has to derive results for male horoscopes > > but > > > > also for female horoscopes. > > > > Thus the method in which such points should be interpreted for > > > > female horoscope also should not be ignored - I insist. > > > > > > > > Note _1: Srinivas ji, you have introduced too many variables! > > My > > > head > > > > is spinning! Shouldn't we limit our span to comprehensible > > > limits? > > > > > > > > Note _2: I absolutely agree to your opinion that - " The state of > > > > affairs of the first marriage (whether the first wife is dead > > or > > > not; > > > > what caused the second marriage etc) should be considered > > first, > > > prior > > > > to jumping into predicting the second marriage, to avoid the > > > danger of > > > > jumping into a water less pool " ! [Jumping into a waterless > > pool! > > > What > > > > an example! It is great - you always hit at the right point > > with > > > the > > > > right hammer! ] > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " sreeram > > srinivas " > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Query : From which house to see 2nd Marriage > > > > > > > > > > Response: > > > > > > > > > > One of the member has raised a interesting query on Second > > > Marriage > > > > and the > > > > > few notable responses on this had equally diverse answers. In > > > > short, 2H, > > > > > 5H, 9H & 11H needs to be seen. All the answers are correct > > and > > > valid in > > > > > their own sense. Now the point missed by all is - Why second > > > marriage. > > > > > What happened to First Marriage ?? First analyse the reasons > > for > > > > ending of > > > > > first marriage - mutual divorce {common nowadays } or pure > > > accident > > > > {with so > > > > > many cases of Road rashes } or murder or secret affairs { > > people > > > > migrating > > > > > and going places for employment resulting in illegal > > > affairs..etc.} > > > > or a > > > > > natural death or is it " great Indian QUEST " for SON (s) !!. > > > Unless > > > > one sees > > > > > promise for the stated events above, the subsequent decision > > on > > > > promise of > > > > > second marriage & which houses to look can be > > > resolved " peacefully " !!! > > > > > > > > > > Mutual Divorce = 11H, 5H { see the dasha pattern more than > > > houses } > > > > > > > > > > Pure Accident = 3H, 11H { see the combination in the > > > horsocope and > > > > > then the dasha} > > > > > > > > > > Murder = 11H, 5H, 12H, 2H, 3H, 6H & 8H {see > > > > combinations in > > > > > the horoscope and then dasha} > > > > > > > > > > Secret Affairs = 5H, 8H, 11H, 12H, 6H {see combinations & > > > > houses...then > > > > > dasha } > > > > > > > > > > Natural Death = 3H, 11H & 2H { dasha & horoscope > > patterns } > > > > > > > > > > Coupled with above, one needs to also see the running dasha > > > pattern in > > > > > concluding any of the reasons stated above - first see the > > > horoscope for > > > > > " signature patterns " , see the dasha for probability to happen > > > and then > > > > > conclude. Over and above, one need to analyze the basic > > > > horoscope, make a > > > > > general nature of the person and his habits, then go into > > other > > > > > things....straightway jumping would surely ensure you may > > > hit " waterLESS > > > > > swimming pool " !!! > > > > > > > > > > Example - 7H & 6H connection = some differences in relation > > with > > > wife or > > > > > differencs..... > > > > > > > > > > 7H & 3H connecton = possible combination > > > for " wife > > > > beating > > > > > " !!! { reasons withheld here } > > > > > > > > > > 7H & 8H connection = secret affairs !! > > > > > > > > > > I have emphaisized some OFFbeat interpretaions here to bring > > out > > > the > > > > " human " > > > > > out of an conventional astrologer, who is happy to see a > > strong > > > 12H and > > > > > simply say that the person enjoys " pleasures of bed " > > forgetting, > > > it > > > > is 11H > > > > > from 2H, indicating strong family wealth & it is 8H from 5H > > > would creat > > > > > obstacles for native's children....!!! > > > > > > > > > > For this reasons, Parashara has mentioned few qualifications > > a > > > MUST > > > > for a > > > > > qualified astrologer, what we are used to often see or come > > > across is > > > > > generally 25% qualified astros....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Ashji, another question : if native's spouse is having more than 35 points in lagna, the other half or the native's 7th house should reflect it in the natives chart either in navamsa or rasi ? or its not necessary ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanxs for your response.I cld undersatand the time value. > I am thankful to Guru Krushna ji,who inspired you and spread this light to everyone. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Anup, > > No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. > For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. > Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. > Say if someone's venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property and it's the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage and 12th house and that is pleasures. > Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus and that says a lot. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. > > As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can > > rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given > > maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their > > benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. > > > > Thank you once again:) > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > Good question. > > This phenomenon is based on Jupiter's natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. > > So one is functional property and the other is natural property. > > In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. > > That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. > > So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. > > Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. > > Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. > > Just think over this. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Ash, > > > Sorry for this question Ash > > > Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? > > > As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. > > > Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji, > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage > occured. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the > status > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in > navamsa. > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing > carefully and > > then come to a conclusion. > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th > lord is > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju > being > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord > so then > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of > blessing. > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give > that. That > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly > then how > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a > chart > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it > will be > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > > timing. > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of > Seperation). > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. > Again in > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and > Ma. Its > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart > that u gave > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the > charts > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > bakshi > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > > but its a strong > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > > antra which is > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > > points... and in 12th > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > > planet. > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > > second partner. > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > > a partner whose > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > > chart have > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > > finding such a partner.. > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > > your chart. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > > related to my > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > > survive. > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > > around would it be > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > > in the relationship. > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > > chart has been > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > > archives. > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > > and it may take > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > > sector running > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > > are any chances > > > > > in > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Harjeet, This was discussed between our Late Peterji and Krushnaji. Try to search the archives; it should be there in the initial part. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Thursday September 13, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Second Marriage Dear Ashji, another question : if native's spouse is having more than 35 points in lagna, the other half or the native's 7th house should reflect it in the natives chart either in navamsa or rasi ? or its not necessary ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanxs for your response.I cld undersatand the time value. > I am thankful to Guru Krushna ji,who inspired you and spread this light to everyone. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Anup, > > No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. > For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. > Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. > Say if someone's venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property and it's the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage and 12th house and that is pleasures. > Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus and that says a lot. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. > > As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its property and can > > rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor being given > > maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according to their > > benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property also works. > > > > Thank you once again:) > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > Good question. > > This phenomenon is based on Jupiter's natural quality. For example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma and Sa being natural malefic. > > So one is functional property and the other is natural property. > > In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. > > That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is opposite of that so like that. > > So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. > > Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can understand. > > Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. > > Just think over this. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > Dear Ash, > > > Sorry for this question Ash > > > Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? > > > As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in a chart. > > > Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji, > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage > occured. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, next u > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the > status > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in > navamsa. > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing > carefully and > > then come to a conclusion. > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th > lord is > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju > being > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord > so then > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as well so > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of > blessing. > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give > that. That > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly > then how > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a > chart > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it > will be > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > > timing. > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of > Seperation). > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet then it > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. > Again in > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and > Ma. Its > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart > that u gave > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the > charts > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > bakshi > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > > but its a strong > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > > antra which is > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > > points... and in 12th > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > > planet. > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > > second partner. > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > > a partner whose > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > > chart have > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > > finding such a partner.. > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > > your chart. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > > related to my > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > > survive. > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > > around would it be > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > > in the relationship. > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > vents , > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > > chart has been > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > > archives. > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > > and it may take > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > > sector running > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > > are any chances > > > > > in > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 13, 2007 Hello Shreeya, Your chart is with blessings. This is very important factor. If you pay respect to your elders, father and gurus you may be blessed with second marriage sometime during the period from 28 Apr 2008 to 10 May 2008. You may be blessed with children also. If this period goes fruitless then it is hard to say the second marriage because suitable antara is unavailable after that. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 wrote: Hello RameshYes you are right that myself and my father have had disagreements on some points but as I have grown up these have decreased.By all means Venus is afflicted no doubt about that but will I get the same results for second marriage also or these were confined to the first one.Thanks and RegardsShreeya , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:>> Hello Shreeya,> Your functional karak Ma for marriage is in the grip of 6th lord Ju thus the karak Ma is spoiled.> The fuctional karak Ve is in the sign of Ma and in the nakshtra ruled by Su.> Ve is also on the border line of rasi sandhi.> Ve is in the navamsa of your 6thlord Ju .The rasi is a dwiswabhawa rasi.> So all by means Ve is heavily afflicted in the 7th of rasi and navamsa.Thus the status of Ve is spoiled.> Your Mo who controls Mind and 9th house of dharma and father is in the grip of Ra/Ke and Sa.> The Mo is in the 4th place from Ju in rasi and navamsa both.Thus Ju is helpless to help Mo. Mo is thus also heavily afflicted.> Do you go against the advice of your father or just ignore the advice of your father ?> As per my concept Saturnine people may be suitable as your partner subject to the other factors.> Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 wrote:> Dear Ashji,Harjeet ji and Rameshji,> > Could I request you to please analyse whether for the second time > the married life would be ok or not?As pointed out by you Harjeet ji > meeting a person with all these points is very difficult...but I > request to look in to the aspect whether happy married life is > promised in the future or not.Also what could be the husbands > profession and other traits.> > Also now second part of the antara is running and whether marriage > can take place in this one or the third one.> > Thanks and Regards> Shreeya> > -- In , "harjeet bakshi" > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> >> > Got it sir> > thanks> > harjeet> > > > , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > You should start to count Ju's delay after Sa's delay is over. > So first> > > time, it come over Mars who is 7th lord and next time he will > come> > to 11th> > > house so 2nd hit to 7th house.> > > > > > So first time Ju will rectify its own delay i.e when it comes > over> > 7th lord> > > and then next, when it comes to 11th house it will aspect 7th > house> > so it> > > will rectify Ve in Krittika making way clear for marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > harjeet> > > bakshi> > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 7:51 PM> > > > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > got it. i think you mean 2 hits of Ju instead of Sa here ?> > > so Jupiter in transit has to hit mars situated in NATAL chart.. > is> > > that point correct. next hit when it reaches 11th house and > aspects > > > 7th house.. so thats the 3rd hit right ?> > > this 3rd hit would rectify the venus in krittika ?> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents ,> > > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are > taking Ju> > > to come> > > > over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come close to Ma in> > > transit. So> > > > a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer and a bit more to > remove the> > > > effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju should touch 11th house, > there> > by it> > > > will aspect 7th house so 2 hits of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, > Ju will> > > > enter Cancer, thereby aspecting 7th house. So delay will get > over> > after> > > > that. > > > > > > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It > will> > > give in> > > > 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet and Sa > is> > > LoD. So> > > > here Me can give the result in 1st sector.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > http://www.ashtro.> > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents > > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents ]> > > On Behalf Of harjeet> > > > bakshi> > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM> > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > <%40>> > vents > > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji,> > > > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th > may 2000.> > > > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets > over when> > > > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector > of> > > > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the > marriage> > > > occured.> > > > thanks/regards> > > > harjeet> > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > > > > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is > correct,> > > next u> > > > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it > means the> > > > status> > > > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it.> > > > > > > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in > 5:9 in> > > > navamsa.> > > > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? > So> > u are> > > > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing> > > > carefully and> > > > > then come to a conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. > Here 6th> > > > lord is> > > > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer > lagna Ju> > > > being> > > > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and > 7th lord> > > > so then> > > > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or> > lessons. > > > > > > > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord > as> > > well so> > > > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status > of> > > > blessing.> > > > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should > give> > > > that. That> > > > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you > blindly> > > > then how> > > > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper > calculation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality > time on a> > > > chart> > > > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, > but it> > > > will be> > > > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should > try to> > give> > > > > timing.> > > > > > > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of> > > > Seperation).> > > > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing > planet> > > then it> > > > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given > somewhere. > > > > Again in> > > > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to > Ve and> > > > Ma. Its> > > > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends > chart> > > > that u gave> > > > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in > mind the> > > > charts> > > > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next > chart u> > get, u> > > > > will keep such things in mind.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> > <http://www.ashtro.ca>> > > ca> ca>> > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com]> > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> > > > > bakshi> > > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM> > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > <%40>> > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > > Re: Second Marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both.> > > > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the> > navamsa> > > > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late.> > > > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ?> > > > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it.> > > > > thanks/regards> > > > > harjeet> > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > SPK> > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ?> > > > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya,> > > > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not...> > > > > > > but its a strong> > > > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus> > > > > > > antra which is> > > > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not> > > > > > > mistaken only 2 planets> > > > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12> > > > > > > points... and in 12th> > > > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong> > > > > > > planet.> > > > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for> > > > > > > second partner.> > > > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose> > > > > > > a partner whose> > > > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt> > > > > > > connect to A, B , C,> > > > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both> > > > > > > chart have> > > > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility..> > > > > > > like male Sa, Ra or> > > > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for> > > > > > > finding such a partner..> > > > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration> > > > > > > your chart.> > > > > > > thanks/regards> > > > > > > harjeet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > > > "venusgaal2003"> > > > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier> > > > > > > related to my > > > > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not> > > > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or> > > > > > > survive.> > > > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time> > > > > > > around would it be > > > > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid> > > > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose.> > > > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am> > > > > > > in the relationship.> > > > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst> > > > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > > > > remedy??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya,> > > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this> > > > > > > chart has been > > > > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the> > > > > > > archives.> > > > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out> > > > > > > and it may take > > > > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third> > > > > > > sector running > > > > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009.> > > > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and> > > > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju.> > > > > > > > > There may be conflict among you .> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji> > > > > > > and others,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there> > > > > > > are any chances > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there> > > > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > > > > bliss for the second time around??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74> > > > > > > > > time-16 34 hours> > > > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30> > > > > > > > > 30N30> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03> > > > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05> > > > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Shreeya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Ashji, i somehow cant find the message in archive. if you can please answer it in short. thanks/regards harjeet , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Dear Ashji, > another question : > if native's spouse is having more than 35 points in lagna, the other > half or the native's 7th house should reflect it in the natives chart > either in navamsa or rasi ? > or its not necessary ? > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Many thanxs for your response.I cld undersatand > the time value. > > I am thankful to Guru Krushna ji,who inspired you and spread this > light to everyone. > > > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > Ash <kas@> wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > > > No. One is based on natural ownership of kalpurush chart and the > other is based on its relation with other planets 7 planets and lagna. > Here what I am talking about is the natural property of planets. > > For example one is Karak House A and LoA and Natural Karak which > controls the status of House B and other is power in the WS which is > based on Bindu. So do not confuse these two things. Both are different. > > Every planet has a natural property, and that is based on the > Kalpurush chart. We are calling it NK. > > Say if someone's venus is spoilt then why that affects marriage > and pleasures? The reason is that Venus controls the natural property > and it's the planet of pleasures and spouse (The reason is that its > 2nd and 7th lord of natural chart i.e. chart with Aries lagna or > Kalpurush chart so 2nd is Karak for 7th and 12th is karak stan for 7th > so we say that Venus denotes spouse and pleasures, and that is the > reason why) so if that is spoilt then it affects 7th house so marriage > and 12th house and that is pleasures. > > Now then it depends on how venus is spoilt, if its too close to > Sun, or in nak of sun or if its too far from sun and then if Sa > aspects Ve etc etc etc, from that we can judge the quality of venus > and that says a lot. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 10:34 AM > > > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thankyou Ash for taking your time to explain this. > > > > As you say,likewise natural benefic Jupitor will not lose its > property and can > > > > rectify errors on this essence.I think due to this also Jupitor > being given > > > > maximum 56 benefic points in AV and Mer, Venus, Moon according > to their > > > > benefic nature.For quality of the chart,their natural property > also works. > > > > > > > > Thank you once again:) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anup, > > > > Good question. > > > > This phenomenon is based on Jupiter's natural quality. For > example, even if Ju is 6th lord and if it aspects Saturn, it can still > check the delay of Saturn. Even if Saturn is LoD or LoE but if its in > 5th house then this Saturn will cause delay. So these are based on > natural properties of planets. Similarly, Ma and Sa over 0 points > give worries, problems or adverse affect and this is again based on Ma > and Sa being natural malefic. > > > > So one is functional property and the other is natural property. > > > > In all books its given that Jupiter is santanti karak and Venus > is karak for wife and pleasures, Mercury is karak for income and > success, Jupiter is karak for family and wealth and children, Saturn > is karak for hard work, parakram and property, but no where the reason > for that is given. Here in our system we are giving a concrete reason > and in KAS we study that first i.e House A. The reason for that is > that Jupiter is natural 12th lord and 9th lord so its KARAK for 2nd > and 5th so wealth, family, kutumb and as karak for 5th its children, > utilization of knowledge so u can call that degree, Venus is natural > 2nd and 7th lord so that is KARAK for 7th and 12th, so 7th is wife, > partners, and 12th is for enjoyment, pleasures etc. Similarly Saturn > is karak for 3rd and 4th house so like that. > > > > That is why in our system the KARAK for death is Mercury i.e > natural 3rd lord and Karak for say 9th house is Moon so that also > means Father, Fortune, Luck, things achieved by least effort i.e its > 7th from 3rd and 3rd is hard work, parakram so 7th from that is > opposite of that so like that. > > > > So, as per KAS we are saying that with proper reasoning. > > > > Sorry, this was on a bit of tangent, but this was also important > to talk a bit about the Natural Kalpurush Chart so that you can > understand. > > > > Guru is the natural 9th lord of the chart. So that is important. > > > > Just think over this. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 12:17 AM > > > > RE: Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sorry for this question Ash > > > > > > Can 6th lord, that too Jupitor, with 6 points can rectify > errors of charts like delay by itself and Venus status? > > > > > > As we all know, 6th lord is most mischievious by all means in > a chart. > > > > > > Can 6th lord change its nature or we sld take Jupitor a > natural benefic and 6th lord property parallel side by side. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > Ju must aspect 7th house or its lord. In this case, u are > taking Ju to come over Ma who is in cancer. So here Ju must come > close to Ma in transit. So a bit more detail after Ju enters Cancer > and a bit more to remove the effects of Ve in Krittika so say Ju > should touch 11th house, there by it will aspect 7th house so 2 hits > of Sa. So around 1st Aug 2003, Ju will enter Cancer, thereby > aspecting 7th house. So delay will get over after that. > > > > > > Mercury antra starts after that and it can give marriage. It > will give in 1st sector as its SD to Sa who is delay causing planet > and Sa is LoD. So here Me can give the result in 1st sector. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 6:49 PM > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Satish/Ashji, > > the delay of saturn gets over when saturn enters taurus 30th may 2000. > > jupiter is in 7th house at that period. jupiter's delay gets over when > > jupiter enters cancer. 1st july 2002. at this time 3rd sector of > > saturn is going on... so in the next antra of mercury the marriage > > occured. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > Don't make haste. Study each thing closely. > > > > > > Here you said lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 and that is correct, > next u > > > told that Ve is in krittika also so that is correct so it means the > > status > > > of Venus is spoilt isn't it. > > > > > > Now, lagna lord is Venus and 9th lord is Me and they are in 5:9 in > > navamsa. > > > But lagna lord who is Venus what is the status of that lord? So u are > > > seeing these things, but take your time to study each thing > > carefully and > > > then come to a conclusion. > > > > > > Here there is delay due to Ju and Sa so that is correct. Here 6th > > lord is > > > with 6 bindus and that is Ju and for Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Ju > > being > > > 6th lord is worst. Here it is aspecting Ma who is 2nd and 7th lord > > so then > > > in that case what happens? That is also given in archives or lessons. > > > > > > Now check Venus, again, its in navamsa of Ju who is 6th lord as > well so > > > again here the status is being affected and so is the status of > > blessing. > > > Mo with Ketu, and Su in sco, 3 sectors in Sa and 3 in Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Harjeet, Satish asked the calculation of Delay and u should give > > that. That > > > way you can get good practice. If this chart came to you blindly > > then how > > > would u time this marriage. So u should have proper calculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have computed it correctly, but now spend some quality time on a > > chart > > > and start to time things properly. It will take some time, but it > > will be > > > well worth the effort in the long run. Even others should try to give > > > timing. > > > > > > Also keenly study the time of separation (not divorce but of > > Seperation). > > > Study the pdf running. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Harjeet, if the antra running is SD to delay causing planet > then it > > > might give marriage in 1st sector. That is also given somewhere. > > Again in > > > this example, Seperation has happened in Ketu who is SD to Ve and > > Ma. Its > > > MORE like Venus and LESS like Ma. Similar to your friends chart > > that u gave > > > the one born in Ahmedabad. So study like this keeping in mind the > > charts > > > that are difficult. Then things will get clear. So next chart u get, u > > > will keep such things in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > > > bakshi > > > Tuesday September 11, 2007 4:04 PM > > > > > > Re: Second Marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > there is delay by saturn and jupiter both. > > > here the birth time is subject to be rectified because in the navamsa > > > 1st and 9th lord are in 5:9. still the marriage was late. > > > also marriage should have occured in second sector ? > > > may be Ashji can shed some light on it. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents , > > > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Can you explain the marriage delay in the chart ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreeya, > > > > > i am not saying you are in a relationship or not... > > > > > but its a strong > > > > > time in your chart as you are going through venus > > > > > antra which is > > > > > strong for all 5,7 and 12 house. if i am not > > > > > mistaken only 2 planets > > > > > favor 5 and 12 house which give more than 12 > > > > > points... and in 12th > > > > > house lord of 6th jupiter is one of such strong > > > > > planet. > > > > > other antras if loD and loE might deliver result for > > > > > second partner. > > > > > since you already have high points in lagna.. choose > > > > > a partner whose > > > > > points in lagna isnt strong. lord of 6th doesnt > > > > > connect to A, B , C, > > > > > D, E or their lord in rasi or navamsa... and both > > > > > chart have > > > > > attraction as well as friendship compatibility.. > > > > > like male Sa, Ra or > > > > > Ve aspecting your mars. and sun moon compatibility.. > > > > > > > > > > ehh... i know the probability is very low for > > > > > finding such a partner.. > > > > > but that would be safe taking into consideration > > > > > your chart. > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents , > > > > > " venusgaal2003 " > > > > > <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that I had sent query earlier > > > > > related to my > > > > > > marriage but that time my divorce was not > > > > > finalised and I was still > > > > > > in dilemma whether my marriage would break or > > > > > survive. > > > > > > Anyway I have had conflict earlier too this time > > > > > around would it be > > > > > > the same or matrimonial bliss any steps to avoid > > > > > the conflicts...any > > > > > > particular lagna person that I should choose. > > > > > > Harjeet Ji I am not close to anyone neither I am > > > > > in the relationship. > > > > > > yes I have read in the notes that venus is worst > > > > > in krittika....any > > > > > > remedy?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In astrologyandtiminge > > > <%40> > > vents , > > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Shreeya, > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right ,I think this > > > > > chart has been > > > > > > discussed earlier also.You may find it in the > > > > > archives. > > > > > > > However the second marriage is not ruled out > > > > > and it may take > > > > > > place in this Ve antara only probbly in the third > > > > > sector running > > > > > > from Apr 2008 to Feb 2009. > > > > > > > Your lagna and its 7th SAV points are 30 and > > > > > 31 respectively. Ve > > > > > > is in the navamsa of 6th lord Ju. > > > > > > > There may be conflict among you . > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Ashji,Rameshji,Harjeet Ji > > > > > and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know about my second marriage.If there > > > > > are any chances > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the near future?what kind of person and is there > > > > > any matrimonial > > > > > > > bliss for the second time around?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My date of birth-19.6.74 > > > > > > > time-16 34 hours > > > > > > > place - muktsar 74E30 > > > > > > > 30N30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date of marriage-20.11.03 > > > > > > > date of separarion-19.11.05 > > > > > > > date of divorce-2.03.07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Shreeya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Dear Mr. Dhanabalan Ji, What is term 'marriage' in Astrology? There are many 'marriages', without going through the rituals. Is rituals itself referred to as solemnizing a 'marriage' in a chart and in its workings? Could two people standing next to each other of opposite sex, and say, 'we are married' could be termed as 'man and wife' in a birth chart? Is multi 'marriages' and muti relationships between opposite sex. also termed as 'marriage' in charts? One can marry at age of 5 in as far as 200 years before from now, while they get their first night in age 16 and after. So, shall this indicate that there were two marriages? Your elated explanation is humbly requested. A.V.Pathi, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalankpsystem groups Friday, September 5, 2008 9:26:18 AM Second marriage Dear Sagar You have stated the condition for second marriage as, 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages. 1) I understand that either 7th cusp sign lord or 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be in dual sign 2) 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be mercury There is no compulsion for second or third marriage if the above two conditions are satisfied. Further, we are not considering the cusp signlord and cusp starlord while arriving the significators. The starting point is cuspal sublord. Being so, why you give importance to the sign occupied by the cuspal signlord and the sign occupied by the cuspal starlord. Dhanabalan --- On Mon, 1/9/08, Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: CSL as a dual planet or it being posited in a dual house@gro ups.comMonday, 1 September, 2008, 8:49 PM Dear Mk U r right 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages.Sahhasra saagara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2008 hi i am ready to accept the challange. as it is said in ur mail that u will give 10 charts and we have to say whether they r married or not and the timing. i request u to send the charts i will try my best to solve the cases as soon a possible. i like this. P.S. AS I SENT THIS MAIL TO Dhanabalan JI IN HIS PERSONAL MAIL ID HE SUGGESTED ME TO MAKE IT OPEN IN THE GROUP SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE BENIFITED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE MIGHT FORGET TO GIVE ME THE BIRTH DETAILS OF THE 10 CASES. PLS GIVE IT TO ME OR US IN THE FOROUM AND SEE THE POWER OF ASTROLOGY. OPEN MIND WILL ALWAYS HELP TO FIND THE TRUTH. THANKS NAYAN --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Second marriage"kpsystem groups" Friday, 5 September, 2008, 6:56 PM Dear Sagar You have stated the condition for second marriage as, 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages. 1) I understand that either 7th cusp sign lord or 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be in dual sign 2) 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be mercury There is no compulsion for second or third marriage if the above two conditions are satisfied. Further, we are not considering the cusp signlord and cusp starlord while arriving the significators. The starting point is cuspal sublord. Being so, why you give importance to the sign occupied by the cuspal signlord and the sign occupied by the cuspal starlord. Dhanabalan --- On Mon, 1/9/08, Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: CSL as a dual planet or it being posited in a dual house@gro ups.comMonday, 1 September, 2008, 8:49 PM Dear Mk U r right 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages.Sahhasra saagara Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan Yes , it is not a final verdict on 2 marriages or mercury will always give more than 2 marriages. though 7th lord/st.ld/sb.ld is mercury and in duel sign but along with Jupitre or any way link of Jupiter will not give two marriages and he/she will get one marriage only. The thing is other person may love him or she. Sahhasra Saagara--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Second marriage"kpsystem groups" Friday, 5 September, 2008, 6:56 PM Dear Sagar You have stated the condition for second marriage as, 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages. 1) I understand that either 7th cusp sign lord or 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be in dual sign 2) 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be mercury There is no compulsion for second or third marriage if the above two conditions are satisfied. Further, we are not considering the cusp signlord and cusp starlord while arriving the significators. The starting point is cuspal sublord. Being so, why you give importance to the sign occupied by the cuspal signlord and the sign occupied by the cuspal starlord. Dhanabalan --- On Mon, 1/9/08, Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: CSL as a dual planet or it being posited in a dual house@gro ups.comMonday, 1 September, 2008, 8:49 PM Dear Mk U r right 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages.Sahhasra saagara Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Dear Nayan i wish u all the best. Do not take it as a challenge , take it as research work. anything can be predictable through the great science astrology , KP pin points more very easily. Sahhasra Saagara --- On Fri, 5/9/08, nayan mukhopadhyay <nayanmukhopadhyay wrote: nayan mukhopadhyay <nayanmukhopadhyayRe: Second marriage Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 10:39 PM hi i am ready to accept the challange. as it is said in ur mail that u will give 10 charts and we have to say whether they r married or not and the timing. i request u to send the charts i will try my best to solve the cases as soon a possible. i like this. P.S. AS I SENT THIS MAIL TO Dhanabalan JI IN HIS PERSONAL MAIL ID HE SUGGESTED ME TO MAKE IT OPEN IN THE GROUP SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE BENIFITED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE MIGHT FORGET TO GIVE ME THE BIRTH DETAILS OF THE 10 CASES. PLS GIVE IT TO ME OR US IN THE FOROUM AND SEE THE POWER OF ASTROLOGY. OPEN MIND WILL ALWAYS HELP TO FIND THE TRUTH. THANKS NAYAN --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Second marriage"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Friday, 5 September, 2008, 6:56 PM Dear Sagar You have stated the condition for second marriage as, 7th lord, 7th cusp star lord, 7th cusp sub lord in duel sign, in mercury star or sub will give more than two marriages. 1) I understand that either 7th cusp sign lord or 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be in dual sign 2) 7th cusp starlord or 7th cusp sublord must be mercury Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
