Cancelling Karma????

July 13, 2007

Steve writes:

(Yes, " knowledge " does seem like a poor word for

it. When I hear the word, I immediately think books, school,

reading, gaining information, facts, new material in my mind that

wasn't there before. Some sort of gaining of something. I don't

know what the word > would be in languages spoken in India, if they

have the same > connotation. Maybe the implication is differeent? )

Steve ,the Sanskrit word that is often used in this context is Jnana

or Gyana - to a devout hindu , a jnani is one who is self realized.

For scholars , the term 'vidhwan' is used ! Thus, subjects like

mathematics , economics , law etc are called Ganitha shastra (

mathematics) . economics ( artha shastra) and Law as Niti shastra !

But knowledge of brahman is called Brahma jnana or brahma vidya but

not as Brahmha shastra ! Although we do need the help of shastras (

like vedas and upanishads etc) to learn about brahma vidya!

There is something very esoteric about the word 'jnana' - it has

a 'spiritual' ring to it - in this context , i would like to recall

the following verse from Srimad Bhagavad Gita

adhyatma-jnana-nityatvam

tattva-jnanartha-darsanam

etaj jnanam iti proktam

ajnanam yad ato 'nyatha (chapter 13 , verse 12)

Swami Chinmayananda's translation

Constancy in Self-knowledge, perception of the end of true

knowledge --- this is declared to be " knowledge, " and what is

opposed to it is " ignorance. "

AND IN VERSE 13 OF THE SAME CHAPTER , SRI KRISHNA FURTHER EXPLAINS :

jneyam yat tat pravaksyami

yaj jnatvamrtam asnute

anadi mat-param brahma

na sat tan nasad ucyate

Swami Chinmayanandaji explains this verse thus :

I will declare that which has to be " known " knowing which one

attains to Immortality --- the beginningless Supreme BRAHMAN, called

neither being nor non-being!

YES! BRAHMA JNANA IS THAT ULTIMATE KNOWLEDGE !

IN FACT , SRI KRISHNA EXCPLAINS IN CHAPTER 7 IN VERSE 2 OF THE

SRIMAD BHAGVAFD GITA

jneyam yat tat pravaksyami

yaj jnatvamrtam asnute

anadi mat-param brahma

na sat tan nasad ucyate

Swamiji's translation

I shall declare to thee in full this knowledge combined with

realisation, which being known, nothing more here remains to be

known.

To read a fuller explanation of these verses pl go to

http://www.journeytothetruth.com/index.htm

(steve, here is another reference for Srimad Bhagavad gita! Poojya

gurudev Chinmayananda gives a 'vedantic' interpretation of each

verse in chaste English with wit and wisdom! you will enjoy reading

them)

So , as Durgaji has beautifully explained in her post " Self-

knowledge, pure and simple, as far as I know, is the only knowledge

which removes self-ignorance. Any other type of knowledge, even

indirect knowledge of the self, which might be gained

through the study of Vedanta, does not, in the end, remove self-

ignorance "

Steve , btw , i did enjoy your post number36412 wherein you

mentioned " Researchers at Harvard and McGill University (in

Montreal) are working on an amnesia drug that blocks or deletes bad

memories. The technique seems to allow psychiatrists to disrupt the

biochemical pathways that allow a memory to be recalled. " and in the

end you mentioned about 'irony' was your post in the mode of

Socratic irony ? just wondering - smile :-) i had to change my style

after being accused of being ironical ! smile:-)

love and regards

July 13, 2007

Dhyan-

I'll check out those sites, thanks for the info. I

didn't intend irony in that post, just bringing up the

question: if one has no memory of an act, then can

there be karma? Even if something " bad " happens to

one, there is no correspondence to a previous act.

Except in those cases where there's instant karma,

such as jumping off a cliff, or running a stop sign

and being in an accident.

If I fall and break a leg and have done nothing

immediately before to " cause " it, it does little good

to ponder, " Ah, in a past life time, I broke someone's

leg! Now it's my turn.! " So I was thinking that to

deliberately cancel out a memory through drugs would

be an opening for all sorts of acts which people might

never previously considered engaging in, thinking they

can do things they wouldn't ordinarily do with

impunity. There might still be karma but for the

person without memory of the act, there would be

little or no evolution or learning that there are

consequences to acts...just my thought on it.

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July 13, 2007

Hello,

1. Cancel out a memory - i think we are moving faster than the R & D . We still

do not know what are the effects of the drugs. Something seriously to be

worried is - how will identify the thoughts it need to forget? what happens if

along with those thoughts some other thoughts too are lost?

Any way those points are too small since by nature, the memory - in real terms

- last for shorter duration - except may be in a very few cases. That should be

the reason one is able to focus on things which one wants to though there are

billions of thoughts and memory slabs in the mind.

Now when I fall, the reason need not be that i pushed some one in last life?

Could it not be some small action of mine, may be i was watching some one fall

and didnt offer to help even though that person needed some help? Being there

and watching it and not doing my " swakarma' " possibly added some reaction to

that in to my kitty and that got fructified in this life itself? by making me

to suffer a little pain ?

This topic Karma is such an interesting topic and the LAW OF KARMA as we know (

though it could be very little ) seems to be universal . It does not matter if

one is belonging to this catogory or that, belonging to this place or that,

having this faith or that...

But the people who do not believe in Law of Karma - it does not matter. does it?

there are millions of uneducated people on this earth who may not know Newton.

But that does not make the Law of Gravity meaningless?

Pardon me for adding a few words...dont know if a KG level student can talk

where elders are discussing serious issues

namaskaram

Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

If I fall and break a leg and have done nothing

immediately before to " cause " it, it does little good

to ponder, " Ah, in a past life time, I broke someone's

leg! Now it's my turn.! " So I was thinking that to

deliberately cancel out a memory through drugs would

be an opening for all sorts of acts which people might

never previously considered engaging in, thinking they

can do things they wouldn't ordinarily do with

impunity. There might still be karma but for the

person without memory of the act, there would be

little or no evolution or learning that there are

consequences to acts...just my thought on it.

Best, steve

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July 13, 2007

Hello Ram!

Pardon me for adding a few words...dont know if a KG

level student can talk where elders are discussing

serious issues

Ram, I don't fall in the category of an elder! I'm a

beginner! Have been a beginner for about 45 years! I'm

now a 62 year old beginner! Think I always will be! I

don't even know what a " KG level " student is. As far

as I can tell anyone on this list should just jump in!

Ha! If I have the ability to ask a question, ponder,

wonder, learn, listen, speak, then I can post...so it

seems to me, anyway! best wishes, Steve.

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July 13, 2007

namaskaram,

Just the other day in a place called Dharmapuri and next day in a village

called Kottoor, I happened to hear Sw Dayananda Saraswati.

Pardon me for my (mis)understanding if it is so.

What I understood is

In this 'jagat' everything is on the basis of TURST. You go to a doctor with a

trust that he can cure you. The doctor gives you a medicine trusting that the

medicine can help you. ( sometimes it fail and then they say " side effects " ).

Look around and whatever activity one is involved, everything is on the basis of

some trust.

But there is one thing - only one thing which does not need 'TRUST' and that is

GOD. God is not a matter to be trusted, not a matter to have faith, but to be

understood. When it talks about Brahman, infinite etc, where is there

something to trust? And if one does not understand what it is, what will faith

or belief can do?

And the process of understanding develops with knowledge. And knowledge by

education thru a GURU.

So also, about Karma there is a lot to understand. When one begins to

understand, there is no " forgetting " . So what is needed is understanding and

by grace, this site 'ADVAITIN' has been one of the best as the discussions,

views, analysis etc most possibly the best on the web. The group has been

extremly nice that ask any question and they are most willing to guide, reply

etc.

otnac6 <otnac6 wrote:

I seem to know and understand and feel what you're saying--and then I

forget it! In the early morning, soon after arising, sitting cross

legged on the carpet, I remember this. And I'm determined to remember

it throughout the day. Then, as the day wears on and I get involved

in " the world " , I seem to forget it. I forget to inquire " Who am

I? " , " Who does this action? " , " What thinks it knows? " etc. Then

occasionally during the day it comes back and I seem to wake up for a

moment and then go back to sleep! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz...HA!...thanks again

and best wishes, Steve

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July 13, 2007

advaitin , " otnac6 " <otnac6 wrote:

>

> I think that there can be a lot of confusion

> on this point, especially because of the use

> of the word 'knowledge,' which usually

> implies knowledge of an object.

>

> Thanks for your reply...Yes, " knowledge " does seem like a poor word for

> it. When I hear the word, I immediately think books, school, reading,

> gaining information, facts, new material in my mind that wasn't there

> before. Some sort of gaining of something. I don't know what the word

> would be in languages spoken in India, if they have the same

> connotation. Maybe the implication is differeent? Anyway, maybe a

> better term in English might be awareness? Or...I don't know. Even Self-

> knowledge seems a poor statement. Who knows whom? Is a self standing

> apart to have knowledge of another self?? Ha! Language! Messes us up

> all the time, but it's all we've got with which to communicate! Best

> wishe, Steve.

Namaste Steve,

You ask " Who knows whom? "

It is the mind which recognizes the self.

But this recognition is not like any

other type of cognition which the mind

has. This is not a cognition of a changing

object in the creation. This is a recognition

by the mind, of my self, my self which never

changes. My self which is not an object,

and yet which is entirely existent.

Every other 'thing' which the mind cognizes

changes. Everything other 'thing' is subject

to coming into being and going out of being.

My self doesn't come into being and go out

of being. I always am. Alway I shine,

lighting up whatever content the mind has.

This is a very big topic, and I don't think

it's import can be completely grasped on

an e-list, although, IMO, your question is

a very good and important one.

You mention the problem with language. It

is true that language can create a problem.

It isn't language or words per se, which do

this, but rather the meaning we attach to

them, and the fact that words are usually

used to communicate something dual.

Vedanta is called a 'shubdha pramana' that is

'a means of knowledge which uses words.' But

the words have to be handled appropriately, and

for that, one needs a really good teacher, who

knows exactly what the words he or she is using

are pointing to.

Sometimes Sanskrit words are good words to use,

because those words may have no other meaning,

other than that which they are pointing to.

We really have no equivalent words in English

for some of these Sanskrit words.

Even so, we will have a concept of what any

word means, and our initial concept will

always be of something which exists in duality,

because that is the way language works.

But words can be used by a good teacher to

help a student gain moksha. In fact, words

*are* what the teacher uses. But the teacher

also knows what the words actually mean, and

how to use them. And a good teacher helps the

student to also see what the words mean.

When the words have done their job, then both

the teacher and student know the exactly same

'thing,' what the words have been pointing out

all along, which is not a thing in any 'usual'

sense of the word, and yet which is most dearly me.

Pranams,

Durga

July 13, 2007

Hello Durga,

This is not a cognition of a changing

object in the creation. This is a recognition

by the mind, of my self, my self which never

changes. My self which is not an object,

and yet which is entirely existent.

During inquiry, when I ask " Who or what thinks? " for a nanosecond the

mind stops, the imagery ceases. The inquiry has to be intense, for

me, and sincere, for me. It has to be a real longing to know, a real

hunger to know, a real, strong desire to know. What I always find is

the same: nothing objective. Nothing I can grasp or hold or conceive

of in any way. Nothing that I can think about, remember, point to or

explain or use or want or be happy or sad about. It seems to be a not-

finding. It is totally negative. Neti, neti. Always the same in that

it's always and completely nothing objective. When I look for it and

don't find it, I've " found " the Self(?) which is what is doing the

looking so therefore I can't see it. And the more I try to see it,

the more I can't see it and therefore I've " found " it. I've seen it

described as " what the eye sees when it tries to see itself. Nothing

at all. " Yet something is looking even though I can't see it. I can't

see it because the seer can't be seen. The perceiver can't be

perceived. I can't objectify it so not finding it objectively seems

to be finding it. So no description is available. But conviction

maybe a good term for it.

Sometimes all sorts of bliss and joy happen but I keep inquiring re

who know that, feels that. Those states are so ephemeral! They don't

last and are no big deal. Sometimes no feelings at all. Same deal. No

big deal. Not worth trying to do anything about them or change them.

If I could find or locate the Self and descibe it to you, it wouldn't

be the Self because it's then limited by my description. Think that's

maybe why all the sages seem to describe it in terms of what it's

not. Neti, neti...I practice vichara constantly, incrementally, every

day, though the practice goes through many ups and down. Sometimes

more, sometimes less and I've learned to live with the fact that

practice is never ideal. Some days I'm sincere about it, really

wanting to practice, other times less so. No big deal. I'm determined

to do it no matter how poorly or imperfectly, no matter how many gaps

in practice...best wishes, Steve.

July 14, 2007

Hello Steve, Hello All,

I have this question to all on the list. When a student such as you or

anyone on the spiritual path- feels like a beginner ( exasperation ?)

even after so many thought processes, experimentation, discussions

etc. , what is the way out? Endless self search for ,say many births ?

I know this is an elite list, of the blessed few who are fine tuned to

see beyond the mundane. But if this sort of search becomes a (very?)

lengthy process, does one not need to look at alternatives ?

I know I am still not clear. Now I shall come to my point straight. In

such situations, is not Bhakthi, an easier and faster way ? I have

been on the path of finding the truth by intellectual discrimination,

famously known as Gnana Yoga, but recently find myself drifting

towards Bhakthi.

Now I am finding excuses for staying in the new course. Recently , I

started reading Ramsukhdasjis commentary ( www.gitapress.org) on

Srimad Bhagavad Gita, where he says the realised experience in any

Yoga( way) like Bhakthi, Karma, Dhyana ( Ashtanga, Raja), and Sankhya

( Gnana), is the same. There only love of the transcendental remains.

So why not start with Bhakthi as the means and and end in itself?

Vinobha, the intellectual never stood in the way of Vinobha , the

Bhaktha. His 'lectures on the Gita'(while in jail) reveal that much.

Ramakrishna, the Godman extraordianire, stood towering over the

intellectual Vivekananda even though his methods were 'but ordinary'.

The pujari of kali that he was, he could realise the ultimate in every

way he was initiated into.(Saktha, Tantric, advaitic Islamic, and

Christian)

I am not making a statement in finality. But looking for similar souls

with similar experiences. In this period of moral degradation and

self defeating materialism, does not Bhakthi appear as a surer way to

Moksha ?

I ask for comments.

hare Krishna

venkat

advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

>

> Hello Ram!

>

> Pardon me for adding a few words...dont know if a KG

> level student can talk where elders are discussing

> serious issues

>

> Ram, I don't fall in the category of an elder! I'm a

> beginner! Have been a beginner for about 45 years! I'm

> now a 62 year old beginner! Think I always will be! I

> don't even know what a " KG level " student is. As far

> as I can tell anyone on this list should just jump in!

> Ha! If I have the ability to ask a question, ponder,

> wonder, learn, listen, speak, then I can post...so it

> seems to me, anyway! best wishes, Steve.

>

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July 14, 2007

I have this question to all on the list. When a

student such as you or

anyone on the spiritual path- feels like a beginner (

exasperation ?)

even after so many thought processes, experimentation,

discussions

etc. , what is the way out? Endless self search for

,say many births ?

I don't know! I've not had a teacher up to this point.

I've read/studied/practiced based primarily on Sri

Ramana Maharshi's teachings, several books including

" The Teachings Of Ramana Maharshi " and " Talks with

R.M " . All I can think to do is to practice/study/read

with as much sincerety as I can muster and continue on

with it. The safest way, I believe, is to always

consider myself a beginner, to never forget that

ultimately everyday life, dealings with other people,

how I relate to checkers at the grocery store, how I

respond and relate to and react to the everyday life

of eating, washing dishes, cleaning house, reading

novels etc is most important. All of this " spiritual "

practice must be not apart from everyday life. If it

is then it's just mental masturbation and I might as

well spend my time in others ways. So, without a

teacher at this point, trying to balance " inner work "

(inadequate term) with the everyday life is all I know

to do. And patience, perseverance and just simply

plodding along...one guy's opinion only!!! best

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advaitin , " J.venkatasubramanian "

<apexpreci2000 wrote:

>

>Recently , I

> started reading Ramsukhdasjis commentary ( www.gitapress.org) on

> Srimad Bhagavad Gita, where he says the realised experience in any

> Yoga( way) like Bhakthi, Karma, Dhyana ( Ashtanga, Raja), and Sankhya

> ( Gnana), is the same. There only love of the transcendental remains.

> So why not start with Bhakthi as the means and and end in itself?

> Vinobha, the intellectual never stood in the way of Vinobha , the

> Bhaktha. His 'lectures on the Gita'(while in jail) reveal that much.

> Ramakrishna, the Godman extraordianire, stood towering over the

> intellectual Vivekananda even though his methods were 'but ordinary'.

___________

hariH OM! venkatji,

excellent points..

it's been siad that ramakrishna was a bhaktha outwardly and a jnana

yogin underneath, while his student vivekananda was the obverse.

i always considered the three main methods to be esoterically

intertwined and layered, with the predominance of one while the other

two are very much alive and vigorously working behind the scenes (in

the subconscious mind, as it were). similar to, as you pointed out,

vinobha the intellectual [who] never stood in the way of Vinobha, the

Bhaktha.

namaste,

frank

July 14, 2007

--- " J.venkatasubramanian " <apexpreci2000

wrote:

> Hello Steve, Hello All,

> I have this question to all on the list. When a

> student such as you or

> anyone on the spiritual path- feels like a beginner

> ( exasperation ?)

> even after so many thought processes,

> experimentation, discussions

> etc. , what is the way out? Endless self search for

> ,say many births ?

>

> I know this is an elite list, of the blessed few who

> are fine tuned to

> see beyond the mundane. But if this sort of search

> becomes a (very?)

> lengthy process, does one not need to look at

> alternatives ?

Shree Venkatasubramanian - PraNAms

First any alternative search will lead you no where

since the very search is the problem.

When the seeker is not different from the sought, any

search is going to be a failure since the very search

involves an inherent assumption that sought is not

there where the seeker is!

What is needed is therefore that the knowledge that

there is no need to search!

Hence Vedanta is like a mirror - tries to show you who

you are, which is different from what you think you

are.

You are already that what you are longing for. But

they you may ask why am I searching?

There lies the problem.

There was one drunkard - since he lost the sense of

space started crying to those who are helping him to

lie down on his bed - 'Please take me to my room' - he

started crying and shouting - He friends told him -

you are already in your room - why are you

unnecessarily crying- but the fellow does not listen

since he last the sense of discrimination. No -

please take me to my room - please take me to my room.

So his friends - took him out and took him all over

the building and then brought him back to his room

again and said -putting him on his bed - Now you are

in your room. The fellow happily slept with the

assurance that he is now in his room.

That is the problem we have.

There is no other alternate search other than to

recognize what my true nature is. I am not this

bundle of matter since this is jadam or inert - I am a

conscious being different from any 'this' that I can

point out - Vedanta says " I cannot be 'this' - neti -

neti - not this not this. What is left is only the

subject 'I' who is negating everything else and cannot

negate himself since he is the subject - un-negatable.

That my friend is the 'direct path'.

Hari Om!

Sadananda

July 14, 2007

Hello,

Those on the bhakti path say love is at the end of the path. Jnanis

say wisdom is at the end. Both aim at Brahman which is beyond either

and includes both. Different paths appeal to different personalities.

Nisargadatta Maharaj said the famous, " When I see I am everything,

this is love. And when I see I am nothing, this is wisdom. Between

these two my life moves " .

In a humorous vain, W.C. Fields, an old time comedian, said, " If at

first you don't succeed, try, try again. And then give up. No use

being a damn fool about it " .

May all One be happy,

Richard

advaitin , " J.venkatasubramanian "

<apexpreci2000 wrote:

>

> Hello Steve, Hello All,

> I have this question to all on the list. When a student such as

you or

> anyone on the spiritual path- feels like a beginner (

exasperation ?)

> even after so many thought processes, experimentation, discussions

> etc. , what is the way out? Endless self search for ,say many

births ?

>

> I know this is an elite list, of the blessed few who are fine

tuned to

> see beyond the mundane. But if this sort of search becomes a

(very?)

> lengthy process, does one not need to look at alternatives ?

>

> I know I am still not clear. Now I shall come to my point

straight. In

> such situations, is not Bhakthi, an easier and faster way ? I have

> been on the path of finding the truth by intellectual

discrimination,

> famously known as Gnana Yoga, but recently find myself drifting

> towards Bhakthi.

>

> Now I am finding excuses for staying in the new course. Recently ,

I

> started reading Ramsukhdasjis commentary ( www.gitapress.org) on

> Srimad Bhagavad Gita, where he says the realised experience in any

> Yoga( way) like Bhakthi, Karma, Dhyana ( Ashtanga, Raja), and

Sankhya

> ( Gnana), is the same. There only love of the transcendental

remains.

> So why not start with Bhakthi as the means and and end in itself?

> Vinobha, the intellectual never stood in the way of Vinobha , the

> Bhaktha. His 'lectures on the Gita'(while in jail) reveal that

much.

> Ramakrishna, the Godman extraordianire, stood towering over the

> intellectual Vivekananda even though his methods were 'but

ordinary'.

> The pujari of kali that he was, he could realise the ultimate in

every

> way he was initiated into.(Saktha, Tantric, advaitic Islamic, and

> Christian)

>

> I am not making a statement in finality. But looking for similar

souls

> with similar experiences. In this period of moral degradation and

> self defeating materialism, does not Bhakthi appear as a surer

way to

> Moksha ?

>

> I ask for comments.

> hare Krishna

> venkat

July 14, 2007

advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada wrote:

>

> --- " J.venkatasubramanian " <apexpreci2000

> wrote:

>

> > Hello Steve, Hello All,

> > I have this question to all on the list. When a

> > student such as you or

> > anyone on the spiritual path- feels like a beginner

> > ( exasperation ?)

> > even after so many thought processes,

> > experimentation, discussions

> > etc. , what is the way out? Endless self search for

> > ,say many births ?

> >

> > I know this is an elite list, of the blessed few who

> > are fine tuned to

> > see beyond the mundane. But if this sort of search

> > becomes a (very?)

> > lengthy process, does one not need to look at

> > alternatives ?

Namaste, Venkat-ji,

You seem to want an alternative process. I can guess why you do so.

You want quick results!

Now, answer honestly! Has anyone of the following searches led to a

quick result, for any one in the history of the world?

* Mastering a science like Mathematics or Physics, or for the matter

of that, any deep science.

* Finding a suitable spouse.

* Earning, by the same person, the name of 'best' in all of one's

different roles, e.g., father/mother, son/daughter, brother/sister,

husband/wife, master, worker, social citizen, employed, employer etc.

* Becoming a wealthy person.

* Getting a reputation in Fine Arts, like Painting, Dancing or Music.

* Rising to great political heights

* Rising to become a movie star or a sports star

We have heard of meteoric rises and achievments in each one of these

cases. But the ones that were stable and substantial could be counted

to be less than one per cent. in each one of these cases.

When that is the case, why do you think that mastering advaita or

rising to a spiritual height can be achieved in anything other than

the long and hard trodden path?

PraNAms to all advaitins.

profvk

July 14, 2007

When that is the case, why do you think that mastering advaita or

rising to a spiritual height can be achieved in anything other than

the long and hard trodden path?

It can't be quick. But little by little, daily practice through all

the ups and downs, incremental, snail-pace, turtle slow, stop and

start again, over and over until the mountain of ignorance is removed

one tea spoonful at a time. And find one practice and stay with it

through thick and thin. Even when discouragement comes it can still

be done if one's expectations are kept in check. Practice for the

sake of practice without looking for grand results, forgetting all

about enlightenment or Self-Realization. Just do the practice to the

best of one's ability, trusting that the fruits of the practice will

be there. Or don't even think about the fruits. Just do the practice.

Ego, I think, wants to hurry up and " get it " . I can cutail ego's

influence by putting the emphasis on the practice itself and not the

fruits thinking " I'm going to practice and it's for the sake of the

practice itself and let the fruits be whatever they are. " ...ha!

anyway, once again, one guy's opinion based on scriptures, what I've

experienced, intellectual analysis-- and being sick and tired of

wanting to " hurry up and get somewhere! " ...best wishes, Steve.

July 14, 2007

Dear Steve,

Our progress in purifying the mind seems to be much like a business

cycle. There is a continuous oscillation, but over a period of time

the trend is positive.

Regards,

Rishi.

July 15, 2007

dear sri j.venkatasubramanian

why worry about how many births and all that exasperation etc.why worry about

result.when the divine grace falls on you everything vanishes.

walk towards the lord he walks ten times faster to reach you.all paths lead to

the same mountain top.bhakthi is an integral part and leads you to jnanam like

all rivers lead to the same ocean.

nothing is easy and all one needs is the blessing of the lord so pray to him to

lead you.if bhakthi suits you go ahead and it will take care of you.

you have already taken the right step and walk with faith you will reach where

you want to

for a true seeker the light is ahead.as rightly put by prof.v.k.what is the

hurry for everything has a time for it.with best wishes

..