Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > > -geo- > > > > bullshit! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > > You made my day! > > -geo- > > bullshit! > > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. > > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. > > LOL! > > he whom you cannot figure out: > > .b b.b. > > " you're anger...is showing " ? > Here in brazil, we say: > " your anger...is showing " > LOL > -geo- you Brazilians also say " sensorial " . what kind of bullshit word is that? ROFLMAO! well i guess when you're upset in Brazil it makes some sort of sense. but up here in the real world it's flat out funny! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > is. > > bullshit! > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > .b b.b. > > ROFLMAO!! > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > -geo- bullshit! ..b b.b. ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! You made my day! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > geoparado.. > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > are those the only ones you have? > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > how it is you say the things you do. > > .b b.b. > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there > to > make me company! What for would I need friends? > -geo- " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! so it's still with you then? this childish dependence on " me " . you've come a very short way geoparado. actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. that's ok. we need wild kids around. ..b b.b. What's the problem now? Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. Now look outside yourself. That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a huge wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:19 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > > > > > geoparado.. > > > > > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > > > > > are those the only ones you have? > > > > > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > > > > > how it is you say the things you do. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there > > > to > > > make me company! What for would I need friends? > > > -geo- > > > > " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! > > > > so it's still with you then? > > > > this childish dependence on " me " . > > > > you've come a very short way geoparado. > > > > actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. > > > > that's ok. > > > > we need wild kids around. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > What's the problem now? > > Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. > > Now look outside yourself. > > That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a > > huge > > wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? > > -geo- > > geo there is no answer to why. > > only two year old babies believe there is. > > grow up. > > .b b.b. > > You mean....that is the way it is but one can not know why? > -geo- why do you ask? LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. why is there anything at all? why isn't there an isn't made flesh? why do fools fall in love? hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! [.bx3] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:58 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > W: No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > > awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > G: You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > > > >W: Geo, > > > > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are > > just differen words for the same thing. > > > > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to > > cosnciousness is nonsense. > > > > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. > > > > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. > > > > Werner > > > >G: Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit > > more... > > P: You take Awareness > to be an absolute, instead of a mental representation of data > much like what you see on your monitor while reading this. If > awareness were one and indivisible, we could not know, but > because each brain has its own awareness, other people's > pathological conditions teach us all awareness are not the same. > > > > (dan): Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > But they will never get that. > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > - Dan - > > Thanks. You spared me some work. Got it " buena vista social club " ? > > -geo- Ry Cooder is a bud of mine. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:38 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > > > You made my day! > > > -geo- > > > > bullshit! > > > > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. > > > > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. > > > > LOL! > > > > he whom you cannot figure out: > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " you're anger...is showing " ? > > Here in brazil, we say: > > " your anger...is showing " > > LOL > > -geo- > > you Brazilians also say " sensorial " . > > what kind of bullshit word is that? > > ROFLMAO! > > well i guess when you're upset in Brazil it makes some sort of sense. > > but up here in the real world it's flat out funny! > > .b b.b. > > > > geo: > LOL LOL LOL > > > ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms > Adj. 1. sensorial - involving or derived from the senses; " sensory experience " ; " sensory channels " > sensory oh you get so fancy and look so cute when you've got a mad on. L)L! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > > -geo- > > > > bullshit! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > > You made my day! > > -geo- > > bullshit! > > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. > > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. > > LOL! > > he whom you cannot figure out: > > .b b.b. > > " you're anger...is showing " ? > Here in brazil, we say: > " your anger...is showing " > LOL > -geo- geo.. would it have been better had baba written: " you ARE anger..your frustration showing. " ? would that have made it easier.. for little geo-snookums to have understood? i guess contractions aren't used in Brazil huh? and likely if you're an example.. few Brazilians understand anything anyway. but you're permitted to keep on pretending like i said before. it's fun having a cute pet around. and an exotic Brazilian one at that. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:38 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > > > You made my day! > > > -geo- > > > > bullshit! > > > > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. > > > > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. > > > > LOL! > > > > he whom you cannot figure out: > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " you're anger...is showing " ? > > Here in brazil, we say: > > " your anger...is showing " > > LOL > > -geo- > > you Brazilians also say " sensorial " . > > what kind of bullshit word is that? > > ROFLMAO! > > well i guess when you're upset in Brazil it makes some sort of sense. > > but up here in the real world it's flat out funny! > > .b b.b. > > ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms > > Adj. 1. sensorial - involving or derived from the senses; " sensory experience " ; " sensory channels " > sensory > > If you need some English lessons justask.....no problem here. Its not my natural language but... > > ROFLMAO!!! > > -geo- okey dokey.. baba will " justask " (sic!). ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:55 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:19 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > > > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > > > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > > > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > > > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > > > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > > > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > > > > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > > > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > > > > > > > geoparado.. > > > > > > > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > > > > > > > are those the only ones you have? > > > > > > > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > > > > > > > how it is you say the things you do. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out > > > > there > > > > to > > > > make me company! What for would I need friends? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! > > > > > > so it's still with you then? > > > > > > this childish dependence on " me " . > > > > > > you've come a very short way geoparado. > > > > > > actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. > > > > > > that's ok. > > > > > > we need wild kids around. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > What's the problem now? > > > Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. > > > Now look outside yourself. > > > That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a > > > huge > > > wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? > > > -geo- > > > > geo there is no answer to why. > > > > only two year old babies believe there is. > > > > grow up. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > You mean....that is the way it is but one can not know why? > > -geo- > > why do you ask? > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > why is there anything at all? > > why isn't there an isn't made flesh? > > why do fools fall in love? > > hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! > > [.bx3] > > > > The me inside and the world outside? Ohh......OK. > :>/ > -geo- woof woof. where are " you " supposed to be geo? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:43 PM > Re: Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > is. > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > > > Geo, > > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are > just differen words for the same thing. > > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to > cosnciousness is nonsense. > > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. > > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. > > Werner > > Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit > more... > > But I understand. You agree with most of what nis says except that there is > no awareness. > Anyway that is just a small detail so signed up to a nis forum. > -geo- lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > is. > > > > bullshit! > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > -geo- > > bullshit! > > .b b.b. > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > You made my day! > -geo- bullshit! you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. LOL! he whom you cannot figure out: ..b b.b. " you're anger...is showing " ? Here in brazil, we say: " your anger...is showing " LOL -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:58 PM Re: The Censored View > > >> > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness.> > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness> > > is.> > >> >> > W: No, geo,> >> > you are wrong.> >> > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and> > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting> > awareness> > is totally subjective.> >> > Werner> >> > G: You said the same thing for "consciousness". So...which??> > -geo-> >> >W: Geo,> > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are> just differen words for the same thing.> > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to> cosnciousness is nonsense.> > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain.> > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see.> > Werner> >G: Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit> more...P: You take Awarenessto be an absolute, instead of a mental representation of datamuch like what you see on your monitor while reading this. Ifawareness were one and indivisible, we could not know, butbecause each brain has its own awareness, other people'spathological conditions teach us all awareness are not the same.>(dan): Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits.You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at.But they will never get that.The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain.As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it.It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is.- Dan - Thanks. You spared me some work. Got it "buena vista social club"? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:19 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > > > geoparado.. > > > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > > > are those the only ones you have? > > > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > > > how it is you say the things you do. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there > > to > > make me company! What for would I need friends? > > -geo- > > " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! > > so it's still with you then? > > this childish dependence on " me " . > > you've come a very short way geoparado. > > actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. > > that's ok. > > we need wild kids around. > > .b b.b. > > What's the problem now? > Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. > Now look outside yourself. > That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a > huge > wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? > -geo- geo there is no answer to why. only two year old babies believe there is. grow up. ..b b.b. You mean....that is the way it is but one can not know why? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:38 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor wrote:>> > - > BobN> Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM> Re: The Censored View> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor@> wrote:> >> > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness> > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect> > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our> > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a> > > > censured view.> > > >> > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We> > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside> > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of> > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina.> > > >> > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated> > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side> > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing> > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror> > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it.> > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their> > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their> > > > handicap.> > > >> > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are> > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police> > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor> > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is> > > > only the censored view.> > > >> > > > Pete> > > >> > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness.> > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness> > > > is.> > >> > > bullshit!> > >> > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is.> > >> > > what ridiculous arrogance...> > >> > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too.> > >> > > .b b.b.> > >> > > ROFLMAO!!> > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you.> > > -geo-> >> > bullshit!> >> > .b b.b.> >> > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!!> > You made my day!> > -geo-> > bullshit!> > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado.> > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again.> > LOL!> > he whom you cannot figure out:> > .b b.b.> > "you're anger...is showing"?> Here in brazil, we say:> "your anger...is showing"> LOL> -geo-you Brazilians also say "sensorial".what kind of bullshit word is that?ROFLMAO!well i guess when you're upset in Brazil it makes some sort of sense.but up here in the real world it's flat out funny!.b b.b. geo:LOL LOL LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:38 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor wrote:>> > - > BobN> Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:47 PM> Re: The Censored View> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor@> wrote:> >> > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness> > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect> > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our> > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a> > > > censured view.> > > >> > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We> > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside> > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of> > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina.> > > >> > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated> > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side> > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing> > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror> > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it.> > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their> > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their> > > > handicap.> > > >> > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are> > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police> > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor> > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is> > > > only the censored view.> > > >> > > > Pete> > > >> > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness.> > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness> > > > is.> > >> > > bullshit!> > >> > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is.> > >> > > what ridiculous arrogance...> > >> > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too.> > >> > > .b b.b.> > >> > > ROFLMAO!!> > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you.> > > -geo-> >> > bullshit!> >> > .b b.b.> >> > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!!> > You made my day!> > -geo-> > bullshit!> > you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado.> > just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again.> > LOL!> > he whom you cannot figure out:> > .b b.b.> > "you're anger...is showing"?> Here in brazil, we say:> "your anger...is showing"> LOL> -geo-you Brazilians also say "sensorial".what kind of bullshit word is that?ROFLMAO!well i guess when you're upset in Brazil it makes some sort of sense.but up here in the real world it's flat out funny!.b b.b. ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms Adj. 1. sensorial - involving or derived from the senses; "sensory experience"; "sensory channels" sensory If you need some English lessons justask.....no problem here. Its not my natural language but... ROFLMAO!!! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:55 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:19 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > > > > > geoparado.. > > > > > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > > > > > are those the only ones you have? > > > > > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > > > > > how it is you say the things you do. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out > > > there > > > to > > > make me company! What for would I need friends? > > > -geo- > > > > " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! > > > > so it's still with you then? > > > > this childish dependence on " me " . > > > > you've come a very short way geoparado. > > > > actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. > > > > that's ok. > > > > we need wild kids around. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > What's the problem now? > > Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. > > Now look outside yourself. > > That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a > > huge > > wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? > > -geo- > > geo there is no answer to why. > > only two year old babies believe there is. > > grow up. > > .b b.b. > > You mean....that is the way it is but one can not know why? > -geo- why do you ask? LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. why is there anything at all? why isn't there an isn't made flesh? why do fools fall in love? hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! [.bx3] The me inside and the world outside? Ohh......OK. :>/ -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > Hey Geo - > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:39 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > > awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is > > not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened > previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see > them doing now. > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > -tim- > > Thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts? But that is all they do. > -egg- so... what you just said is just referring to a previous thought? why bother saying it again then? previously yours.. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:39 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > is. > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > Hey Geo - > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is > not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. -tim- Thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts? But that is all they do. -egg- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > - Dan - > > > hear ye hear ye! > > dabbo KNOWS! > > ROFLOL! > > .b b.b. He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, he would think he is the One. His ego is too big to fail. A nondual AIG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > big to fail. A nondual AIG LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > big to fail. A nondual AIG > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. Humility and arrogance are its success. They're only around if there's more than one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > They're only around if there's more than one. > P.S. here's a hint: " Seeing it in another " is the same thing as it being around. Humility or arrogance couldn't be seen in another, if humility/arrogance weren't around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > They're only around if there's more than one. and uhm.. you KNOW this as indisputable TRUTH huh timmy? goddamn you are a dabbo disciple! so therefore... Let It Be Written: " DABBOTIMMYTOT " hath awoken and spoken! hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa! tell us true now timmytot.. is it easier being a " KNOWER " among men and before God.. after you've been baptized with.. one or several " down the hatch " toddies for the body? or is a secret rendezvous weekend.. with Reverend Right dabbo himself required? you know..i mean you KNOW..what baba's takin' 'bout here: having all the Knowing of dabbo become your inside info and delight? getting all cozy and " unarrogant " and " unhumble " together as ONE. you naughty naughty Knower you. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > > > They're only around if there's more than one. > > > > P.S. here's a hint: " Seeing it in another " is the same thing as it being around. > > Humility or arrogance couldn't be seen in another, if humility/arrogance weren't around. here's a hint: saying " here's a hint " is arrogant and lacks any humility whatsoever. now baba gleefully admits to both being arrogant.. AND not having an ounce of humility. and he laughs his ass off at those who just can't come to grips.. with the obvious fact that they are full of bullshit.. when they try and lay it on someone that they are different. and even funnier is the fact that with all that denial of arrogance.. with all that false humility.. they can with a straight face expect anyone to buy their bullshit. i mean they're so dumb they think everyone is as dumb as they are. they actually believe that what they think is their " holiness " .. their life without sin or arrogance or pride.. is the truth! and there is one born every second. almost scary but hilarious for sure. especially when they start to preach. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
