Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our awareness of the world and of ourselves is a censured view. Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We are never aware that images reach our brain upside down, we never see the blind spot in the center of the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. People whose brain hemispheres have been separated surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side of every object, but never notice they are seeing everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. For these people nothing has changed. Their consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their handicap. We'll never know how many things our brains are hiding from view. Like those who live in a police state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is only the censored view. Pete P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but I always like to check with the owner of the list. I know that you are a good scatologist yourself versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell the difference with the naked eye between the turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > No, geo, you are wrong. Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness is totally subjective. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > is totally subjective. > > Werner > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > -geo- > Geo, you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are just differen words for the same thing. I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to cosnciousness is nonsense. Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:49 PM The Censored View Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our awareness of the world and of ourselves is a censured view. Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We are never aware that images reach our brain upside down, we never see the blind spot in the center of the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. People whose brain hemispheres have been separated surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side of every object, but never notice they are seeing everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. For these people nothing has changed. Their consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their handicap. We'll never know how many things our brains are hiding from view. Like those who live in a police state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is only the censored view. Pete P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but I always like to check with the owner of the list. I know that you are a good scatologist yourself versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell the difference with the naked eye between the turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our awareness of the world and of ourselves is a censured view. Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We are never aware that images reach our brain upside down, we never see the blind spot in the center of the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. People whose brain hemispheres have been separated surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side of every object, but never notice they are seeing everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. For these people nothing has changed. Their consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their handicap. We'll never know how many things our brains are hiding from view. Like those who live in a police state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is only the censored view. Pete geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our awareness of the world and of ourselves is a censured view. Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We are never aware that images reach our brain upside down, we never see the blind spot in the center of the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. People whose brain hemispheres have been separated surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side of every object, but never notice they are seeing everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. For these people nothing has changed. Their consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their handicap. We'll never know how many things our brains are hiding from view. Like those who live in a police state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is only the censored view. Pete P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but I always like to check with the owner of the list. I know that you are a good scatologist yourself versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell the difference with the naked eye between the turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > No, geo, you are wrong. Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness is totally subjective. Werner You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > is. > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > awareness > is totally subjective. > > Werner > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > -geo- > Geo, you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are just differen words for the same thing. I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to cosnciousness is nonsense. Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. Werner Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit more... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:43 PM Re: Re: The Censored View > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > is. > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > awareness > is totally subjective. > > Werner > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > -geo- > Geo, you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are just differen words for the same thing. I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to cosnciousness is nonsense. Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. Werner Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit more... But I understand. You agree with most of what nis says except that there is no awareness. Anyway that is just a small detail so signed up to a nis forum. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > the difference with the naked eye between the > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. good for you Pete. i don't know what the hell your talking about. and i'm sure you don't either. but it's cute in it's own small way i guess. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. bullshit! neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. what ridiculous arrogance... and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:49 PM > The Censored View > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > the difference with the naked eye between the > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. you must say " simon says " before any questions are allowed. of course " please answer me Oh Lord and Master " doesn't hurt either. just so's you know. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness is totally subjective. > > Werner gee wernerina where were you weak? how did you miss out on the end product here? don't subject yourself to trying to figure that out. it would be a waste of your worthless time.. and whatever you thought you came up with would be wrong. and stupid of course. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > the difference with the naked eye between the > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. geoparado.. are you talking to your make believe friends again? are those the only ones you have? well now it's all becoming clear.. how it is you say the things you do. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > is totally subjective. > > Werner > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > -geo- be considerate of wernie. he has bad eyes and a no good brain. he's also friendless. hey maybe that gives you two something in common. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > > > > Geo, > > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are just differen words for the same thing. > > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to cosnciousness is nonsense. > > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. > > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. > > Werner see what baba meant about wernie being brainless geo? and with " differen " and " cosnciousness " and " prdouct " .. you have a display of his bad eyes at non-work. the friendless part i'm sure is self evident to you or anyone. let's have a vote! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > > awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are > > just differen words for the same thing. > > > > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to > > cosnciousness is nonsense. > > > > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. > > > > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. > > > > Werner > > > > Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit > > more... > > -geo- > > > > > No, Geo, > > don't be lazy and Google what I suggested. Study what you will find there and no more elaboration is needed. > > Werner no geo.. forget the no friend thingy being something in common with yourself. wernie poo pants doesn't even like himself. but then who'd want a friend like that? even the same sad sack doesn't want himself as a friend. he's elaborated a lot on that. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:10 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > bullshit! > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > .b b.b. > > ROFLMAO!! > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > -geo- bullshit! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:17 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > geoparado.. > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > are those the only ones you have? > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > how it is you say the things you do. > > .b b.b. > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there to > make me company! What for would I need friends? > -geo- " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! so it's still with you then? this childish dependence on " me " . you've come a very short way geoparado. actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. that's ok. we need wild kids around. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > is. > > > > bullshit! > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. > > -geo- > > bullshit! > > .b b.b. > > ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! ROFLMAO!! > You made my day! > -geo- bullshit! you're anger and frustration is showing little geoparado. just stomp those little feet again..and again... and again. LOL! he whom you cannot figure out: ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > is. > > > > > > > W: No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > G: You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > > >W: Geo, > > you forgot that I again and again wrote that awareness and consciousness are > just differen words for the same thing. > > I also wrote that Nisargadatta's idea that awareness is prior to > cosnciousness is nonsense. > > Consciousness or awareness is memory and is a prdouct of the brain. > > Just Google 'working memory' or 'short time memory' and you will see. > > Werner > >G: Hmmm...I think I am beguinning to understand. Could you elaborate that a bit > more... P: You take Awareness to be an absolute, instead of a mental representation of data much like what you see on your monitor while reading this. If awareness were one and indivisible, we could not know, but because each brain has its own awareness, other people's pathological conditions teach us all awareness are not the same. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > No, geo, > > you are wrong. > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > is totally subjective. > > Werner > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > -geo- Hey Geo - Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. But they will never get that. The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > > > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > > > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > > > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > > > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > > > the difference with the naked eye between the > > > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > > > > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > > > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. > > > > geoparado.. > > > > are you talking to your make believe friends again? > > > > are those the only ones you have? > > > > well now it's all becoming clear.. > > > > how it is you say the things you do. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there > > to > > make me company! What for would I need friends? > > -geo- > > " to make " me " company! " ?????!!! > > so it's still with you then? > > this childish dependence on " me " . > > you've come a very short way geoparado. > > actually the way hasn't even been found in that case. > > that's ok. > > we need wild kids around. > > .b b.b. > > What's the problem now? > Look inside yourself. That is what you are. That is where you are. > Now look outside yourself. > That is the universe at large. Why can not you be entretained by such a huge > wild world? Why? Yes...tell me why? > -geo- geo there is no answer to why. only two year old babies believe there is. grow up. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:10 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. bullshit! neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. what ridiculous arrogance... and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. ..b b.b. ROFLMAO!! OK...ok....I must learn to not be so arrogant with you. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:17 PM Re: The Censored View Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > censured view. > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > For these people nothing has changed. Their > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > handicap. > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > only the censored view. > > Pete > > P: Hey, Bob, Is it OK, if I keep posting this > sort of scat in your list? I'm sure it is, but > I always like to check with the owner of the list. > I know that you are a good scatologist yourself > versed in all kind of shits. I, myself, can tell > the difference with the naked eye between the > turd of a mosquito, and that of a fly. > > geo: Just a sec..... I'll ask him. > OK.....he said he has something really cool coming for ya Cubano. geoparado.. are you talking to your make believe friends again? are those the only ones you have? well now it's all becoming clear.. how it is you say the things you do. ..b b.b. Friends? Who needs them? Here I am and the whole wild universe out there to make me company! What for would I need friends? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
