Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > > > > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > > > > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > > > > > They're only around if there's more than one. > > > > > > > P.S. here's a hint: " Seeing it in another " is the same thing as it being around. > > > > Humility or arrogance couldn't be seen in another, if humility/arrogance weren't around. > > > here's a hint: > > saying " here's a hint " is arrogant and lacks any humility > whatsoever. No. " Here's a hint " are three words that aren't essentially different than " here's fifty bucks " (which I assume would *never* be taken as 'arrogant' by the reader, hehehe ;-). Arrogance, humility, whatever... none of it is ever located " elsewhere " . It just isn't there to be detected in " somebody else " , " elsewhere " . The 'psychological self', if present, is always and only 'here'. It would be more accurate to call it a " psychological self/other " . 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > > > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > > > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > > > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > > > > > > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > > > > > > > They're only around if there's more than one. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. here's a hint: " Seeing it in another " is the same thing as it being around. > > > > > > Humility or arrogance couldn't be seen in another, if humility/arrogance weren't around. > > > > > > here's a hint: > > > > saying " here's a hint " is arrogant and lacks any humility > > whatsoever. > > No. > > " Here's a hint " are three words that aren't essentially different than " here's fifty bucks " (which I assume would *never* be taken as 'arrogant' by the reader, hehehe ;-). > > Arrogance, humility, whatever... none of it is ever located " elsewhere " . > > It just isn't there to be detected in " somebody else " , " elsewhere " . > > The 'psychological self', if present, is always and only 'here'. > > It would be more accurate to call it a " psychological self/other " . if that sort of excuse makes it better for you go for it. it's too bad you need to offer an excuse at all. explanations are such pitiable forms of excuse: when a body knows a body has been a such and such a fool.. well any port seen in that storm eh seems so calm and cool. yes when a body meets a body comin' through the rye.. the catcher there is near always ere and makes a body cry. go figure. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > you are wrong. > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > is totally subjective. > > > > Werner > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > -geo- > > Hey Geo - > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > But they will never get that. > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > - Dan - > Don't attempt to punch a hole in Pete and Werner's fear-masquerading-as-knowledge. Even *they* can't do that ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > - Dan - > > > > Don't attempt to punch a hole in Pete and Werner's fear-masquerading-as-knowledge. > > Even *they* can't do that ;-). it's so queer how you boys see eye to eye.. or whatever to whatever.. with a sweet wink and a nod... so often and so deeply. well no..come to think of it...actually it's not. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. You may have imagined me imagining something at the moment you wrote that. But so what? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:39 PM > Re: The Censored View > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > > awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is > > not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened > previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see > them doing now. > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > -tim- > > Thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts? But that is all they do. > -egg- Thus, they are not. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > They're only around if there's more than one. It's too funny - the constant references to what " he's " up to. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > -geo- > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > - Dan - > > > > Don't attempt to punch a hole in Pete and Werner's fear-masquerading-as-knowledge. > > Even *they* can't do that ;-). Ah, well. It is how it is. :-) - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. > > > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > > You may have imagined me imagining something at the moment you wrote that. > > But so what? > > - D - > So... there must be a " what " , if it's worth pointing out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:39 PM > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting > > > > awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is > > > not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened > > previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see > > them doing now. > > > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > > -tim- > > > > Thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts? But that is all they do. > > -egg- > > Thus, they are not. > > - D - " Thus " !!!! oh Christ.. give " Us " a break. need you always try to sound like some ridiculous biblical nutzoid? but then maybe as you ARE a ridiculous biblical nutzoid. you just can't help yourself. just so.. and so it goes.. Let It be Written.. for many have ears but so few hear. uh.. are you going to come down from your mountaintop pulpit now? hahahahahahaha! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > > > They're only around if there's more than one. > > It's too funny - the constant references to what " he's " up to. > > - D - even funnier are the constant comments on what he says " he's " up to. and we are supposed to believe that you are above that? that's funnier yet! seems as though you are even more stuck than the he of the 'he " . hee hee hee! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. > > > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > > You may have imagined me imagining something at the moment you wrote that. > > But so what? > > - D - right! so what? so why the need to write that? just to say something? it would seem that's what it must be. now c'mon dabbo.. try out that sterling wit and say " so what " . that'll be a real knee slapper. and a rather dimwitted way of trying to evade facing the truth too. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > Don't attempt to punch a hole in Pete and Werner's fear-masquerading-as-knowledge. > > > > Even *they* can't do that ;-). > > Ah, well. > > It is how it is. > > :-) > > > - D - ah yes. it is so... so ridiculous saying things like that. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can confront these dudes a thousand times, saying that you can't separate yourself from awareness to say what it is, because to do so you would have to be able to be aware of awareness without being the awareness you're looking at. > > > > > > > > > > > > But they will never get that. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason they will never get it is that they have an investment in their position of being able to make pronouncements about how awareness is produced by the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > As if they could stand outside of awareness as it's being produced by something, see the something and the awareness being produced, and make comments about it - all without acknowledging that they are in the position of being aware of the awareness, that is, attempting to be aware from outside of awareness to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a ridiculous contradiction, and an obvious one, and it's also obvious when there's too much of an investment in a position to be honest about how self-contradictory the position is. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hear ye hear ye! > > > > > > > > > > dabbo KNOWS! > > > > > > > > > > ROFLOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > He speculates in Cosmic Awareness derivatives. > > > > Even if you short sell him till kingdom comes, > > > > he would think he is the One. His ego is too > > > > big to fail. A nondual AIG > > > > > > > > > > " Being the One " is failure of the ego. > > > > > > Humility and arrogance are its success. > > > > > > They're only around if there's more than one. > > > > It's too funny - the constant references to what " he's " up to. > > > > - D - > > > > Ahh, so *that's* what he's up to... ;-p. no. it's actually down to what you are left with. useless comments. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM > > > > > Re: The Censored View > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, geo, > > > > > > > > > > you are wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the enproduct of then brain after having associated and > > > > > compared sensory input with your memory. That's why the resulting awareness > > > > > is totally subjective. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > You said the same thing for " consciousness " . So...which?? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Hey Geo - > > > > > > > > Pete and Werner have a habit of referring to what awareness is and > is not, as if they somehow can be aware of awareness from a > > > > position outside of it, and can pronounce about its limits. > > > > > > You must be referring to a previous thought -- something that happened previously -- if they have a habit of doing something that you don't see them doing now. > > > > > > But thoughts can't refer to previous thoughts. > > > > > > And so, you're only imagining this habit of theirs. > > > > You may have imagined me imagining something at the moment you wrote that. > > > > But so what? > > > > - D - > > > > So... there must be a " what " , if it's worth pointing out. ya think so? is that why you point it out? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2010 about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > censured view. > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > handicap. > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > only the censored view. > > > > Pete > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > bullshit! > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > .b b.b. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in your own group. Even if it took Baba Bob's and Mama Werner's little battle to see you return.;-) Thanks. ~A Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > censured view. > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > handicap. > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 i knew you must be into soap operas anna. don't ask me how but.. glad to have helped you feel nice. ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in your own group. Even if it took Baba Bob's and Mama Werner's little battle to see you return.;-) > > Thanks. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 considering i sell flowers and it's the valentine's week...i must be crazy Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in your own group. Even if it took Baba Bob's and Mama Werner's little battle to see you return.;-) > > Thanks. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 The gods are all crazy. How cool. You sell flowers. You ought to let us know your establishment so we can use your services... FTD and all? ~A Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > considering i sell flowers and it's the valentine's week...i must be crazy > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in your own group. Even if it took Baba Bob's and Mama Werner's little battle to see you return.;-) > > > > Thanks. > > > > ~A > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few nondualists want to place awareness > > > > > on an ontological pedestal. Awareness as perfect > > > > > knower, the immaculate view. In reality, our > > > > > awareness of the world and of ourselves is a > > > > > censured view. > > > > > > > > > > Our brains hide from us more than they reveal. We > > > > > are never aware that images reach our brain upside > > > > > down, we never see the blind spot in the center of > > > > > the eye, where the optic nerve enters the retina. > > > > > > > > > > People whose brain hemispheres have been separated > > > > > surgically to treat epilepsy, only see the left side > > > > > of every object, but never notice they are seeing > > > > > everything cut in half. Imagine looking at a mirror > > > > > and only seeing half your face, and not noticing it. > > > > > For these people nothing has changed. Their > > > > > consciousness is blissfully ignorant of their > > > > > handicap. > > > > > > > > > > We'll never know how many things our brains are > > > > > hiding from view. Like those who live in a police > > > > > state, we only perceive what our shadowy censor > > > > > want us to know. Awareness is not everything, it is > > > > > only the censored view. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > geo: Nonesense. You confuse sensorial perception and awareness. > > > > > Whatever the perceptions are, illusions or not, that is what awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit! > > > > > > > > neither you nor anyone knows what awareness is. > > > > > > > > what ridiculous arrogance... > > > > > > > > and a whole lot of uninformed stupidity too. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in your own group. Yes, sure it is. And, Bob is quite unlikely to call him " Asshole " or " I like licking your Ass " the way he does to other posts. This way, Hur's message thread can remain readable. > Even if it took Baba Bob's and Mama Werner's little battle to see you return.;-) I don't think it is like Baba-Mama fight... It is more like kids seeing a mentally deranged kid repeatedly peeing in the class and some of them gaining enough courage to bring it to the teacher's attention. But, there are no kids here... In that case, it is more like an emotionally disturbed and immature man repeatedly harassing wen and women in the office, and, some office workers and some office workers gathering courage and complaining to the manager. Or, simply... Some people on an online spiritual forum gathered to read/write/discuss spiritual ideas see a mentally unstable ban repeatedly ending any possibility of any meaning discussion by introducing terms like " Asshole " , " I like licking your Ass " and they finally complain to the only man who has authority on the forum... Hur! See, Anna, it is quite easy to complain against you or Bill because you guys aren't likely to stoop to the level of Bob. However, it is a an entirely different matter to object against Bob. He is already insult-happy and irking him might be quite risky. Very few can afford, risk or dare to do so. > > Thanks. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > about five years ago in the summer i had allergies. i had never had summer allergies before. my dr recommended benadryl but it played some strange tricks on my brain. in the early morning a part of my brain would still be sleeping and the other half would be awake and observing the other side, and even watching its dream like a movie. benadryl effected my blood pressure and i stopped taking it soon after. > > [...] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Hur, I just wanted to tell you how nice it is to see you engaged in (acdc): > > Yes, sure it is. And, Bob is quite unlikely to call him " Asshole " or " I like licking your Ass " the way he does to other posts. This way, Hur's message thread can remain readable. (.b b.b.): ac.. this is the second time you misstated my words to you. i said i liked KICKING not " licking " your ass you little pervert. what an asshole! LOL! ..b b.b. (acdc): > I don't think it is like Baba-Mama fight... > > It is more like kids seeing a mentally deranged kid repeatedly peeing in the class and some of them gaining enough courage to bring it to the teacher's attention. (.b b.b.): why you little persnickety nerd. every kid in the class knew your name. and we all had another one for you too. " asshole " seemed much more fitting. :-) (acdc): > But, there are no kids here... (.b b.b.): speak for yourself old boy. LOL! (acdc): > In that case, it is more like an emotionally disturbed and immature man repeatedly harassing wen and women in the office, and, some office workers and some office workers gathering courage and complaining to the manager. (.b b.b.): God now you're acting like a drama queen.. who hasn't gotten what she wanted. well actually... :-) oh.. and what's a " wen " dearie? i'd like to harass one if i knew what the hell it was. now settle down like a nice little clerk acdc. LOL! (acdc): > Or, simply... > > Some people on an online spiritual forum gathered to read/write/discuss spiritual ideas see a mentally unstable ban repeatedly ending any possibility of any meaning discussion by introducing terms like " Asshole " , " I like licking your Ass " and they finally complain to the only man who has authority on the forum... Hur! (.b b.b.): there you go with that " licking ass " thing of yours again! what exactly are you into ac? sounds sick and perverted to me. LOL! (acdc): > See, Anna, it is quite easy to complain against you or Bill because you guys aren't likely to stoop to the level of Bob. However, it is a an entirely different matter to object against Bob. He is already insult-happy and irking him might be quite risky. Very few can afford, risk or dare to do so. oh do grow up ac. this is getting ridiculous. you sure do harbor past griefs. are you still crying? LOL! have a little fun kid. life's to short for your act or your phony religion. you're going to cause allergies around here. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
