Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers emphasized body > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would say that body > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where other additional > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is finished. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > Werner > > Werner - > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. He's not interested in seeing the illusion. He's interested in not seeing the illusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers emphasized body > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would say that body > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where other additional > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is finished. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Werner - > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers emphasized body > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would say that body > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where other additional > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is finished. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > Werner ^^ Ya see? ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers emphasized body > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would say that body > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where other additional > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is finished. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > Werner and thus completes the grouping: Larry..Moe..and Curly! this will be fun! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > Werner > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody is > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... > sweet darling. > -geo- > Don't be sour Geo. No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of attention and of other's envy. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > Werner > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody is > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... > > sweet darling. > > -geo- > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of attention and of other's envy. > > Werner intelligent challenges is the trick???? maybe you'd better learn A trick or two werner.. before you start giving yourself away like this. i mean.. it's like watching you come down the row.. beside yourself.. giving yourself away in very strange wedding with yourself. now that's not too bright but then considering.. oh well. just don't envy yourself too. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > fancy > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > Werner > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody > > is > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... > > sweet darling. > > -geo- > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of attention > and of other's envy. > > Werner > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > addressing posts to me. > -geo- > Thumbs up, Geo ! Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other teachers > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there where > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it is > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall of > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst of > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you get. > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Werner - > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... Werner And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody is looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... sweet darling. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody > > > is > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... > > > sweet darling. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of attention > > and of other's envy. > > > > Werner > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > > addressing posts to me. > > -geo- > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > Werner and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? up where???? geo..look out! he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. that's a very dicey situation. but i guess if you need a friend.. any friend will do in a pinch. but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. about that thumb of his... well you just take care of yourself. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I would > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is is > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall > > > > > > of > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst > > > > > > of > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far our > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > fancy > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > Werner > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody > is > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of attention.... > sweet darling. > -geo- > Don't be sour Geo. No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of attention and of other's envy. Werner By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is addressing posts to me. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:41 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > wall > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody > > > is > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > attention.... > > > sweet darling. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > attention > > and of other's envy. > > > > Werner > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > > addressing posts to me. > > -geo- > > geo.. > > go back to when you first started at this group. > when did i NOT address posts to you? > i was one of the very first who did. > > -bbb- > > LOL LOL LOL > Of course you did... silly. > You did take that seriously?! > I know - everybody knows - that you have a constructive, encouraging and > friendly comment to any and every poster in this forum. > -geo- sigh.... how many times need " i " say that " i " don't take anything seriously. not even " myself " . no..particularly not " myself " . and as far as what " everyone knows " .. " i " couldn't care less. comments that find themselves posted through this vehicle.. ARE friendly but this is a " friendly " that does not entail.. a feigned friendliness between two wisps without function or form. these postings are not " fiendish " either. it is the judgment of " whoever " reads them.. that judges them to be so...or not... one way or t'other. there are not two ways..only two ways of judging them. " i " am not merely the " sender " of these communications.. which exist in a nebulous " vector state " 'twixt no one.. " i " am also simultaneously the " receiver " .. of the communications seemingly developed therein. " i have a clue where they come from... nor which words will flow forth as the words appear on the screen.. before " me " as " my " fingers walk the keyboard. as the personal man i find all of them entertaining.. and brim through with a truth which none of " us " care to admit. to the " ego-bound " phantoms who take themselves seriously however.. (as " you " mistakenly seem to feel that " i " am..hahahaha!).. they are seen as abrasive and unfriendly. nothing could be further from the Truth. for indeed they are each and every one.. a Harbinger of Knowledge and Bringer of Truth and Great Joy. one fine day even the most offended will know this. but first they each and every must be killed in that silly ego sense. so whether " you " are being sarcastic or actually intuitive above.. it doesn't matter. it's not for " me " to say nor to give a damn. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:56 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > > > > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what > > > > > > > > > > > > is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the > > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish > > > > > > > > > statemenst > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper > > > > marc..etc...Everybody > > > > is > > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > > attention.... > > > > sweet darling. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > > attention > > > and of other's envy. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > > > addressing posts to me. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > > > > > Werner > > and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? > > up where???? > > geo..look out! > > he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. > > that's a very dicey situation. > > but i guess if you need a friend.. > > any friend will do in a pinch. > > but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. > > about that thumb of his... > > well you just take care of yourself. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > -geo- there you go geo! now you know who you can trust and who you can't. werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. that's truly frightening when you think about it. nobody needs a friend with such needs. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:41 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what is).....it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the wall > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish statemenst > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on a > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all you > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > wall > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > fancy > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > Werner > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper marc..etc...Everybody > > is > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > attention.... > > sweet darling. > > -geo- > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > attention > and of other's envy. > > Werner > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > addressing posts to me. > -geo- geo.. go back to when you first started at this group. when did i NOT address posts to you? i was one of the very first who did. -bbb- LOL LOL LOL Of course you did... silly. You did take that seriously?! I know - everybody knows - that you have a constructive, encouraging and friendly comment to any and every poster in this forum. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:56 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > > > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if there > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what > > > > > > > > > > > is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also what-is > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish > > > > > > > > statemenst > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as far > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message on > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > wall > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. > > > > > > Does > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper > > > marc..etc...Everybody > > > is > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > attention.... > > > sweet darling. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > attention > > and of other's envy. > > > > Werner > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb is > > addressing posts to me. > > -geo- > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > Werner and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? up where???? geo..look out! he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. that's a very dicey situation. but i guess if you need a friend.. any friend will do in a pinch. but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. about that thumb of his... well you just take care of yourself. LOL! ..b b.b. OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:42 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:56 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > > > > > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also > > > > > > > > > > > > what-is > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any > > > > > > > > > > > > objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the > > > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish > > > > > > > > > > statemenst > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't > > > > > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper > > > > > marc..etc...Everybody > > > > > is > > > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > > > attention.... > > > > > sweet darling. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > > > attention > > > > and of other's envy. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb > > > > is > > > > addressing posts to me. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? > > > > up where???? > > > > geo..look out! > > > > he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. > > > > that's a very dicey situation. > > > > but i guess if you need a friend.. > > > > any friend will do in a pinch. > > > > but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. > > > > about that thumb of his... > > > > well you just take care of yourself. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > > -geo- > > there you go geo! > > now you know who you can trust and who you can't. > > werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. > > which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. > > as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. > > that's truly frightening when you think about it. > > nobody needs a friend with such needs. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > Well...well...I think there are other issues I fear more then this > supporting stuff. > -geo- as has been said: " there's nothing to fear but fear itself " . now if that's true.. and if it's also true that: the " you " IS the fearing.. the only thing to fear is the " self " ..which is nothing at all. so then we have....deductively speaking: the only thing to fear is nothing at all. so whatever that " supporting stuff " is.. if it's a something or anything at all.. it shouldn't be feared no matter what it is.. because it's NOT nothing if it's something. not that that's an issue. and if that's true.. that it's not an issue.. there are no " other " issues. so then deductively speaking.. don't make an issue out of something that's not nothing.. or you might just start to feat " it " .. which is not other than the self which is fearing. don't think about it. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:42 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:56 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > wwoehr > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also > > > > > > > > > > > > > what-is > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any > > > > > > > > > > > > > objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the > > > > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish > > > > > > > > > > > statemenst > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't > > > > > > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a > > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper > > > > > > marc..etc...Everybody > > > > > > is > > > > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > > > > attention.... > > > > > > sweet darling. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > > > > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > > > > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > > > > attention > > > > > and of other's envy. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb > > > > > is > > > > > addressing posts to me. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? > > > > > > up where???? > > > > > > geo..look out! > > > > > > he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. > > > > > > that's a very dicey situation. > > > > > > but i guess if you need a friend.. > > > > > > any friend will do in a pinch. > > > > > > but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. > > > > > > about that thumb of his... > > > > > > well you just take care of yourself. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > > > -geo- > > > > there you go geo! > > > > now you know who you can trust and who you can't. > > > > werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. > > > > which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. > > > > as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. > > > > that's truly frightening when you think about it. > > > > nobody needs a friend with such needs. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Well...well...I think there are other issues I fear more then this > > supporting stuff. > > -geo- > > > as has been said: > > " there's nothing to fear but fear itself " . > > now if that's true.. > > and if it's also true that: > > the " you " IS the fearing.. > > the only thing to fear is the " self " ..which is nothing at all. > > so then we have....deductively speaking: > > the only thing to fear is nothing at all. > > so whatever that " supporting stuff " is.. > > if it's a something or anything at all.. > > it shouldn't be feared no matter what it is.. > > because it's NOT nothing if it's something. > > not that that's an issue. > > and if that's true.. > > that it's not an issue.. > > there are no " other " issues. > > so then deductively speaking.. > > don't make an issue out of something that's not nothing.. > > or you might just start to feat " it " .. > > which is not other than the self which is fearing. > > don't think about it. > > .b b.b. oops.. i fear there is a mistake there.. though that's not a something to really fear. it's not nothing so i guess we're really alright. but anyway.. the line near the end in the above should have read: " or you might just start to feat " it " .. " NOT: " or you might just start to feat " it " .. " . although maybe we should just give the first one the boot. sometimes i just can't trust what's being typed through my fingers.. by that Voice which never makes clear what it's going to say.. nor how it is guiding my typing fingers... until after it's does and after the keyboard has done it's stuff... and after the send button has been mysteriously " clicked " .. it just so happens it happens. ..b b.b. well well well. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:42 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:56 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:03 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:36 PM > > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > > > > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason that Nisargadatta and many other > > > > > > > > > > > > teachers > > > > > > > > > > > > emphasized body > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as a stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > -dan- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are here to eventualy comment on each other I > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > say that body > > > > > > > > > > > > identification as not a stumbling block - as if > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > other additional > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks - but the only one block. Once the > > > > > > > > > > > > body/mind/consciousness is seen > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively (as the manifested aspect of what > > > > > > > > > > > > is).....it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because consciousness is totally subjective also > > > > > > > > > > > what-is > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen totally subjective - no chance for any > > > > > > > > > > > objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore nothing is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely there are objects. Just bump your head against the > > > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > your room and you will find it proved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That there are no objects is one of thoses foolsish > > > > > > > > > statemenst > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > non-dual philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we can only realize the reality of an object as > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > senses allow it, it does not mean those object don't > > > > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You respond as if I'm saying that I didn't type my message > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > typewriter, and don't know that an apple is called an apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that's all you get out of what was said, then that's all > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it goes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's > > > > > > > wall > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fancy > > > > > > > subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a > > > > > > separate > > > > > > existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > He's not interested in seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > He's interested in not seeing the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim is back ... > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > And...gossiper geo, and gossiper bbb, and gossiper > > > > marc..etc...Everybody > > > > is > > > > looking at you, talking about you You are the real center of > > > > attention.... > > > > sweet darling. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Don't be sour Geo. > > > > > > No need to feel jealous. The trick is to post intelligent challenges. > > > > > > Just be intelligent and one day it is your row to be the center of > > > attention > > > and of other's envy. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > By the looks it seems I am beguining to master the trick... Even bbb > > > is > > > addressing posts to me. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Thumbs up, Geo ! > > > > > > > > Werner > > and just where are you trying to stick your dirty old man thumb? > > up where???? > > geo..look out! > > he's saying he's behind you while he's saying that. > > that's a very dicey situation. > > but i guess if you need a friend.. > > any friend will do in a pinch. > > but i don't think it's just a pinch he has in mind. > > about that thumb of his... > > well you just take care of yourself. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > -geo- there you go geo! now you know who you can trust and who you can't. werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. that's truly frightening when you think about it. nobody needs a friend with such needs. :-) ..b b.b. Well...well...I think there are other issues I fear more then this supporting stuff. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > > > -geo- > > > > there you go geo! > > > > now you know who you can trust and who you can't. > > > > werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. > > > > which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. > > > > as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. > > > > that's truly frightening when you think about it. > > > > nobody needs a friend with such needs. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Well...well...I think there are other issues I fear more then this > > supporting stuff. > > -geo- > > as has been said: > " there's nothing to fear but fear itself " . > -bbb- > > ..but...but...but.... bob wrote just a few lines above: " that's truly > frightening when you think about it. " > -bbb- it's good that you are attending to every word i say Son of Brazil. this is what you need to do... and to keep doing. but geo.. you also need to read the words more carefully as i've said before.. and not just try and quickly post something off.. in order to show that you are doing your lessons... by following the reading plan that i have set out for you. now then let's look carefully at what was said in that above post: " as has been said: 'there's nothing to fear but fear itself'. " nowhere does baba indicate that this is something he said. or even believed. had you done your lesson properly and read further on.. you would have noted the satirical fashion with which.. ..b b.b. handled that phrase. in fact geo.. if you were to do a little " independent " study.. (although i know that this would be difficult for you).. you would have discovered that it was Franklin D. Roosevelt.. who first said what baba referred to " as has been said " . now as far as your not being capable of working independently.. i will find no fault with you. those who can do.. those who cannot..do not. but.. and here the point is critical.. you MUST be more careful in your reading of the words.. which through Kindness and Grace THAT which is.. makes Manifest through this humble servant of Truth. be more attentive to details.. and you'll eventually become a better student. there's a good chap! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 > > OOoops....werner!! ...get away from behind me!!! > > -geo- > > there you go geo! > > now you know who you can trust and who you can't. > > werner will only support you if he feels you're not supporting me. > > which wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't standing right behind you.. > > as he was saying " Thumbs up! " with a kinky smile. > > that's truly frightening when you think about it. > > nobody needs a friend with such needs. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > Well...well...I think there are other issues I fear more then this > supporting stuff. > -geo- as has been said: " there's nothing to fear but fear itself " . -bbb- ...but...but...but.... bob wrote just a few lines above: " that's truly frightening when you think about it. " -bbb- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > Dan, > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Werner - > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > Dan, > > Deceiving oneself ? > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or Werners ? Hi Werner - One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. It is the project called " survival in time. " One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. -- Dan > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > Even you, the great non-dual illusionist, won't be able to show me the illusion ? I must have overestimated you. > > > > Only you can discover it first-hand. > > > There is nothing I can discover because there is no separation between the discoverer and the discovered. > > > > > > One must be aware of the whole action at once, as it occurs. > > > One MUST be aware ? > > Who gvives the order 'I must, I must, I must ...' ? It is neurosis which does that, isn't it ? > > In your case, Dan, it is a non-dual neurosis. Non-dual babbling became you identity. Without non-dual babbling you are just nothing, hot air ..... pfffft .... > > > > > > Now it is clear. > > > > One sees the mind of the past, of memory, as it acts. > > > Who sees the mind ? Is there a separation between the see-er and the mind ? Neither nor - because first of all there is no mind and second it is thought which claims to be the see-er. > > > > > > And one is aware of this which is not of the past, which cannot be separated from itself. > > > > And it is the moment of the occurrence. > > > > See it, and one is not deceived. > > > Haha, Dan the clear see-er who is not of the past. Wonderful ! > > Werner > > > > > > - D - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or Werners ? > > Hi Werner - > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > -- Dan One knows nothing apart from itself. ~A > > > > And no one will be able to show you the illusion. > > > > > > > > > Even you, the great non-dual illusionist, won't be able to show me the illusion ? I must have overestimated you. > > > > > > > Only you can discover it first-hand. > > > > > > There is nothing I can discover because there is no separation between the discoverer and the discovered. > > > > > > > > > > One must be aware of the whole action at once, as it occurs. > > > > > > One MUST be aware ? > > > > Who gvives the order 'I must, I must, I must ...' ? It is neurosis which does that, isn't it ? > > > > In your case, Dan, it is a non-dual neurosis. Non-dual babbling became you identity. Without non-dual babbling you are just nothing, hot air ..... pfffft .... > > > > > > > > > > Now it is clear. > > > > > > One sees the mind of the past, of memory, as it acts. > > > > > > Who sees the mind ? Is there a separation between the see-er and the mind ? Neither nor - because first of all there is no mind and second it is thought which claims to be the see-er. > > > > > > > > > > And one is aware of this which is not of the past, which cannot be separated from itself. > > > > > > And it is the moment of the occurrence. > > > > > > See it, and one is not deceived. > > > > > > Haha, Dan the clear see-er who is not of the past. Wonderful ! > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Have you, as I suggested, bumped your head against your room's wall ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes you did ? Great ! And now try to find out what does hurt. Does your head hurt or does the wall hurt ? > > > > > > > > > > Wow, your head hurts and not the wall ! What happened with that fancy subject/object illusion, is it still in your head ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is ? Ok, then go on bumping your head against the wall. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner - > > > > > > > > That's exactly how ones deceives oneself into imagining a separate existence from objects that exist separately. > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or Werners ? > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > One knows nothing apart from itself. > > > ~A " It " self? So is there you, and 'the One' separate from you? Seems the One does know something apart -- like the One, maybe ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 > Hi Werner - > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > -- Dan what does one make oneself into when one says: " One makes oneself into two.. when dividing into subject located separately from object. " an ass maybe? can One ever be divided? and further to this... if as is being stated: " One will keep on being two... 'until' (a word indicating a later point in 'time').... ...one understands and resolves the issue.... " how is it that this little piece of business is NOT: a " project called " survival in time " ?.. and a survival as a " division into two " requiring " resolution " ? if there is only One.. what's to understand? what needs to be resolved? what's that all about? sounds like that old " painting legs on a snake " type of deal. sometimes talking too much to try and impress oneself.. or fictitious " others " can be a ball buster no? i mean.. what " meaning " are you trying to impart and to whom? ...and why? what meaning has meaning... even on a fast day? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > what does one make oneself into when one says: > > " One makes oneself into two.. > > when dividing into subject located separately from object. " > > an ass maybe? Nothing at all... just words appearing on a screen. Obviously, they don't make anyone anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > what does one make oneself into when one says: > > > > " One makes oneself into two.. > > > > when dividing into subject located separately from object. " > > > > an ass maybe? > > Nothing at all... just words appearing on a screen. > > Obviously, they don't make anyone anything. thanks for trying to answer for your buddy but.. words " on " a screen hmmm. words + a screen... = 2 " things " ..several of those word 'things' AND a screen. so that's one thing positioned " on " the " other " thing. uh huh.. are you with me so far? now.. " 'they' don't make 'anyone' 'anything' " . " they " (more than one of 'them')+... " anyone " (any of the many ones)+... said to not make.. " anything " (another " thing " ... and another any " thing " among many things. can you dig it? it's no wonder you guys have a Mutual Admiration Society " thingy " . you both try to suck and blow at the same time. and you both think you are making logical sense. and i didn't say " BOTH " for a lark. and i didn't say " Mutual " without meaning exactly what i said. but i really don't expect EITHER of you..as two or as ONE.. to even begin to understand. you love both of your " selves " much too much for that. and you do so love to sound profound. too bad that neither of you do huh? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
